Real Kyper & Bourne - Trade Chatter with Elliotte Friedman

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman (7:40) joins Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne to chat about the growing trade speculation surrounding Carolina Hurricanes' Andrei Svechnikov, Brad Lambert's trade request, why it would be very difficult for the Maple Leafs to make a move, Craig Berube's future, Calgary Flames' president Don Maloney claiming that the franchise are not in a rebuild, and if the Montreal Canadiens and Ottawa Senators could be buyers at the deadline. Then, Nick, Justin and Sam McKee discuss why we could see a copy and paste of the 4 Nations Face-Off Team Canada roster for the 2026 Winter Olympics before running through the state of the NHL standings. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

It's the national hour on the real Kipper and Bourne show. Nick Kiprios, Justin Boren, Sammy McKee. We are live on Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver, Sportsnet 960 in Calgary, and streaming always on Sportsnet. Remember, you can download us on Spotify, Apple Podcast, and YouTube at your convenience. This hour of Real Kipprin-Born brought to by Bet365. In a few minutes, we'll welcome in Hockey Night in Canada. 32 thoughts.

Elliot Friedman, give us an update on what he's hearing around the league, including his Saturday night headlines that he talked about on Saturday night with Ron McLean. So looking forward to that. In the meantime, oilers, are they back? Kind of trying? Come on. They beat the Panthers. Does that invalidate the Stanley Cup?

Well, take it away. Give it to him. Come on, two points. It's good. I mean, that's good progress for a team that needs it, and we think is certainly capable of getting hot. Jack Rossovic continues to stay hot, so that's good news. absolute grease by Greer

with the takedown on Frederick hated that That's a greasy one If we're going around Canada Calgary Flames red hot Three straight winds for the flames All that does is muddle what they're doing Doesn't help right

All since Cooley said What's the matter? We're all going to die That truly is a tremendous quote And I got to be honest Sometimes I kind of run that through my own brain too anyway No one cares. Didn't he say, didn't someone say that last year too?

Yeah. Was it him? Surely it was. It might have been him. I feel like we've had this conversation about a very similar line that could have been him. That said it. Definitely.

I don't know how to look it up. I think in the big picture he's probably right. No, he is. But the window. He's very right. No, big picture he is. No, no. There's a window between Puck Drop

and me spending $150 bucks to watch you in the end of the game where I can, I care, buddy. I care. Right, but he's trying to get himself to be the best version of himself, which means playing free. No, he's trying to relax. That's what he's trying to do. Oh, my God, I'm in the NHL.

I've got to give him this guy's money's worth. Two-pad stack. Yeah. So I think it is confusing for Flames. Well, it's not confusing for Flames fans. They know the best thing to do would be to retool, but ownership doesn't want to do it. And they keep winning now, so. Wow.

They got themselves out of the basement. Oh, God, yeah. But why? The basement's a good place to be. There's three kids at the top of this draft that people are talking about. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I can tell you that it would be very frustrating.

I mean, I didn't really know the level of the conversation about from Don Maloney. Do you guys see any of that? I read it. We got it, don't we? Yeah, it's like, you know, the only time you enjoy the first pick of the draft is at the draft. There's a lot of suffering to get there. the farthest thing from our mind. Oh, he enjoyed for the next 12 years.

Is he just trying to protect, I think, the market a little bit for the next 60 games. No one has an appetite to just burn it down to the stunts and take it all down. Some do. I think the whole market does. Okay, he could be fibbing a little bit, guys. But hey, you're told by your owner what the plan is, right? Someone owns that hockey team. And so Don is executing his boss's wishes the same way.

way most of us are if we have bosses i don't know yeah but he knows that's right he knows at the end of the year he's going to be better with Anderson and cadry no longer on the roster and new shiny assets yeah in the cupboard or on the ice you can sell hope in this business if you're not selling wins you can sell hope and i think if you say we got a first for him we got a first for him We got, you know, this top pick coming. We're going to pick high. What if the flames this year, they sold Anderson and Katry and they got first round picks for sure for both,

this upcoming draft, and they had the first second or third overall pick, three firsts, including the top pick? You feel like, okay, well, the franchise is ficked. As of right now, they have round one, and they have two first rounders this year. They have their own and they have Vegas' first rounder, which they got in,

the hana fin that's a complicated one it's a three-way trade but anyways they um they got the first runner from bagas they have a second third runner from the connects like they have assets already and if you find a way to bring more of them in i don't know you're going to rebuild sometime 27 new building for them and like that's that's the timing of it with these potential new assets is setting up the first couple of years in that new building Oh, yeah, you be Anaheim. You draft this year. You got three top kids.

You know, you can turn it around pretty quick if they're legit, and at least one of them should be based on where the flames are likely to finish. Speaking of the flames, the biggest goon in the league is back at it, ranton, suspended. But an automatic suspension. Did you think a hit on Coronado? Awful. Yeah, it's not good.

He was emboldened by not being punished for the Romanoff hit. He leads the league in penalty minutes now. Yeah, he had a bur. up his butt, I think, on Matt. Is that the same? I don't know. I think it's a bird in his saddle. Burr.

Yeah, a burr of your saddle. Burr. Yeah. You're saying it right. Yeah. He's just saying it's on the saddle, not directly in your butt, usually. Buddy, I'm telling you, the way he hunted him down, he had it up there. Okay?

For sure. Like, I don't know what's going on with him. I mean, that was a really bad, like the one in, you could make an argument on the, the one on Romanov who's out for five to six months I'm so not on your page on the hit on Romanoff I said you can make an argument for it but the one

on Coronado there's no argument no that one for sure for sure but it's he's suspended because of a rule he's not suspended with no the department of player safety oh why can't we talk Supplemental discipline.

You got to burn your mouth. You got to burn your mouth. I want to know where I got it from. I think Dallas screwed up. What do you mean? First of all, the league wasn't going to spend them. They deemed it an accident based on the trip and then falling into Romanov.

Right. But the five-minute major for boarding stayed so what they needed to do was have it rescinded and then he wouldn't be automatically suspended for one game he's a war criminal who should get 10 weeks of suspensions that's what I think we'll see what our next guest thinks

let's welcome in Elliot Friedman hockey night in Canada wow your hair is way too neat my friend very nice way too neat how are you it's five in the afternoon Eastern there's no excuse for a bad at this time of day. Where do you want to start, pal?

Do you want to start on some of your headlines from Saturday night? Well, you know what, Nick? I was just listening to you talk for a second and someone else made that same point to me today, actually. They said that if Rantanin was an accident,

why wasn't the game misconduct taken away, the first one, the one against the Islanders? It was just interesting. I didn't even think about it until today. I do think it's possible that They were like, it's an accident, but it's still a five. Come on, you two. All right.

So, you know, I'm going to do a trade board for Sportsnet.com. Again, you brought up an interesting name in Svessnikov in Carolina. There's no question that there's underperforming there. And I'm sure between Brenda Moore or the owner, Dundon, maybe the general manager, too, they want to get this guy going here. But, you know, is this something that will stay calm for the next little while? I know he played just under 20 minutes on the weekend, but they want more out of him. There's no question that's true.

And Nick, I think right now this one is dormant unless he spends a lot of time on the fourth line again in the future. Like if you just go back a couple of weeks, he was, he had one game where he played a lot of 1148 and there were a bunch of games that he played that were really low he was on the fourth line and you know to be honest he wasn't producing either i don't think you got a point this year until his ninth game well since then he's been moved back up he's with a ho and jarvis he's playing closer to 20 minutes a game as you said entering yesterday's game which they lost he had 12 points and 13 games so this all kind of went away but you know i'll be honest nick when i heard it on Saturday morning, I was blown away. I was like, there's no way that this is true. And I think

what happened was he was just, he was frustrated. And, and he kind of said, look, like, and he kind of relayed to them, look, like, if this is the way you guys feel and you guys want to move me, then I won't be against it. And I don't know how it got out, but it got out, and they got calls, probably a couple. And they said, they said, look like this is not what we want to do but you know make us a monster offer we'll consider it now the one thing that i kind of tried to figure out was was this rescinded like sometimes people say trade me and then they change their mind say no i'm good and i don't know that i would use the word rescinded i would use the word it died down dormant was what i said earlier but it's just

something to watch in case he spends in case it gets demoted for a long time again at any point during the year. I think people were surprised and got out because it was hot and then it wasn't, but sometimes that's what happens in this league. Something happens and we don't know about it for a little bit after. I'll say this though. Like Nick,

you played in a time where nobody was bold enough to make trade demands, right? Like you just kind of did what you were told and Justin, even when you were coming up, it was that way. It was like you kind of do what you're told. So in the last week we've got Mincukov

coming out. We got Brad Lambert coming out. We know Svecnikov at least considered it a bit. It is a different world now and people are telling me like the young guys now and Svecicca is a bit older, but the young guys now, they aren't waiting two or three years. They aren't taken

a long time in the American hockey league to marinate or anything. There's more of these, I think now than there ever have been. And in a lot of cases, or some cases, I think there's more than we're even aware of. Yeah, it's funny. You know, like when I was coming up, I was aware

of players who were drafted by very good teams and just toiled in their American League farm team for six years and it never happened and it doesn't seem like people are as willing to do that. So do you expect Minciukov and Lambert to get moved? I would think that

the one thing is like Nick, you know, you know for Beak as well as anybody. He's not going to be pushed into anything. But I think you can look at the situation there and see their number one guy is Jackson LeColme. They just gave him like the richest dollar contract in in Dux

history. He's the number one left side D. Zellweger has been really good. He's been great for Trouba. Like you can see there the path is tied up for Minchikov that right now he's their third D lefty at best and you could say he's 3A. He's a talented guy, Justin. I can see this one ending up in a trade. The question is when. And Lambert, I would, I would, I would say the same thing. I think that you know, Winnipeg, if you look at their last one with Magority, he asked for a trade. They waited for

what a year and they made sure they got a great prospect in Yeager. So I think Winnipeg will eventually do it too unless Lambert changes his mind but it's going to be for what the Jets want. You're watching and listening to Elliot Friedman

Hockey Night in Canada, 32 thoughts. You also talked about Alex Tessier. Saturday night. He ends up signing a one-year deal with the Montreal Canadiens. And this isn't against Alex, but maybe just speaks of

I don't know how desperate some teams are out there because Alex got cut by one of the worst teams in the league and then you turn around and you start hearing some of the insiders saying that there's eight or nine teams bidding for this guy or at least interested in him.

Does that tell us, like, Again, how tough it is to go out there and improve your team? Yes. Yes, it does. I think it's a very fair point. But the other thing, too, Nick, is this year, we're funny. You can't have too many players. Like, look at all the injuries.

And it's similar to camp. Like, camp, the issue with him was the number. Not that he can't play. The issue was the number. He was at 2.4. And now he's at 1.1. So he can be handled a bit better. Texier was at 2.1.

Now he's at a million, so teams can handle it a bit better. But look, Montreal has been crushed by injuries. They needed a player. And basically, you get the player, quote, unquote, for free. It also says to me, Nick, that these guys want to be in the NHL. Like, Camp walked away from, what, $3 million. Texier walked away from probably about one in a bit, although it was going to be close once it all works out.

But, you know, these guys want to be in the NHL. But, you know, someone was pointing out to me today, guys, if you think it's bad now with the injuries, look at what the post-Olympic schedule looks like. Like, there's going to be a lot of teams playing 20 games and 34 nights. So if you think it's bad now, wait until we see what it's like then. And, like, whether it happens now, they're going to need guys like that. I'll tell you something, how many of them will be in a playoff spot? How many of them will have their teams out? And how many of them will shut it down after the Olympics?

Keep an eye on that. Fascinating to watch. I'm familiar, you know, having been with the Marley's there with guys coming down from the NHL. In one case, I think we had it was Brooks Lake came down. And you were saying to Sheldon Keith came down and said, I'm a hockey guy. I'll do whatever you need. And he played in the minors for two weeks. And he wasn't doing what we were asking of him.

And so he said, Sheldon said to him, I thought you were a hockey guy. And he goes, turns out I think I'm an NHL guy. I'm not a minor league guy. Not so much hockey. I always remember Glenn Healy's line about the American hockey league when he was sent down when the lease had what they had Joseph and they had him and they had whoever else they had. He goes, world's longest tarmac. That was the line he always is. Telquist maybe.

I don't know. I can't remember. Maybe it was telequism. Ooh, I pulled that one out. So, the world's longest tournament. Yeah. I wanted to ask you about things in Toronto.

We just had our Leafs Hour. Things are bad. Not sure if you heard this. They're actually in 16th. That may have come up as well. Dyer. Yeah, things are dire. And so looking at the directions they can go,

you can change your coach, you can trade players, you can decide to rebuild and trade players for future assets. What is the status of things in Toronto? know what are you hearing about you know what could happen over the coming weeks you know Justin I think this though like what if they're not going to trade one of their big four guys and I'm talking Matthews Nealander Tavaris and nines I would put them as those guys I don't know

that there's a needle mover there for them like they they might just have like in season Justin they might have to look at this and say yeah there's some things we can do that are kind of small, but do you see a needle mover deal that can be made with the rest of that lineup? I don't. And so, like, this might just be the group that has to figure

it out and get through the season. So that's number one, number one. And you know, I've been thinking a lot about Barubei in the past couple of days. And look, last week, I completely agree. I

completely felt strongly that he wasn't in Jeopardy, and I still don't know that he is. I just think that the longer this goes on, if this doesn't continue, everybody here is going to be on alert for what could potentially happen. But I got to tell you guys, just watching Berruve and that thing that Kyle did at the top of the show at 7 o'clock last week about his reaction of the injuries, like, I think that that is the number one thing right now that is frustrating everybody. And that is that they, like, I know on the outside, we.

go crazy about the fact that you can't get accurate timelines on injuries, I think internally it's making those guys crazy. We're going from this to this to this, like, you know, and I'm not saying anyone's faking it or anything like that. It's just that we've got, from Matthews, we've gone from a couple of days to maybe Montreal to now hopefully Wednesday. Stollers has gone from it's not that bad until it's worse, the worst that we thought. Nyes, they thought he was going to play and then he wasn't going to play and he's been out a couple of games.

I'm hearing that's a real source of frustration. Like, why can't we get an accurate handle on what these things are? And I think that is the thing right now that's getting everybody really frustrated. Elliot, do you believe that it widens past just following the Toronto Maple Leafs? And we know what injuries mean to the NFL with the gamble. around it. Do you think this needs to get revisited? Has it ever been talked about? You think

it would pick up steam that that maybe the league needs to revisit this? You know, I've had that with some of the gambling scandals recently, Nick, I've been asking about that. And, you know, I am

sympathetic to the fact that around playoff time, players get targeted. Like, I don't like people who discount that. I think it's a very real thing in the playoffs maybe not so much now but in the playoffs if people find out guys got an injury they're all over uh they're all over players who get hurt and especially in those areas where they're injured so I am sympathetic to that you know one thing Nick that I have talked about that before is you know Batman feels very strongly that the that with the prop bet stuff that first of all he Every time he talks about it, he says, I don't believe our players would do that. So he talks them up. But number two, he feels that it's harder to do in hockey than, say, in basketball or baseball or football.

But the way they find this stuff out is if the betting companies turn them in. So I think they feel pretty comfortable that if something was to happen, they would know about it. Where I've had the argument with people in the league, though, is in the NBA situation, one of the coaches that was busted was giving injury information that the public didn't know. I do think that is a weakness that the league has to be aware of.

I just don't know barring the fact them being forced to are ever going to move on that. That's interesting. I want to ask about a couple of teams that are likely to do some moving Nashville. Nashville is one of those few teams that we know as a seller, we know has assets.

What is your expectation for the Preds? I think they're going to start moving people, Justin. I just don't know when. Like, I think at some points in time, they've talked about some of their veterans. I think at other points in time, they've talked about maybe younger guys, like Evangelista and stuff like that. Not like the camels of the world, but other guys. So I think the biggest question is there is what do they want to do and what are their players willing to do? Like, I think the guy that everybody would go after Justin is O'Reilly.

and even though he doesn't have protection, they have kind of told him that you will have a choice here. We made you that promise, so we will treat you as if you have a no move. And I think he's the guy that if Nashville or O'Reilly himself ever give the okay, that's going to be the guy that a lot of teams

are going to be going after. Seems Elliot, like teams are reluctant to use the rebuild. I think Barry Trotz was quoted as we're in transition, not rebuild. and we heard from Calgary. So maybe for our Calgary 960 listeners, what do you make of Calgary, you know, making it public, at least giving the impression

that we need more cadres, not get rid of them or trade them? You know, Nick, I didn't think that Calgary needed to do that last week. You know, it's still early. And the other thing, too, is in a lot of ways, you could look at the flames and they'll say they've already begun their rebuild. Like, look at all the young guys they have or are going to be playing for them in the next couple of years. Wolf is going to be the backbone. He's signed for seven more years.

He's still young. But you can see that Perak's going to be a player. Gridden's going to be a player. And you're hoping that some of their other guys, like Mews, who's unfortunately injured right now. And the two guys they drafted in the first round last year, Reschney and Potter are going to be players. It's like Calgary actually has a very strong pipeline. I, you know, there's a couple things here. Number one, the players have a big vote in this.

You know, Rasmus Anderson doesn't have a contract next season. And, you know, like he, like, they're not even, the last I heard, they weren't even close. So if Rasmus Anderson wants what Calgary's not going to be willing to give, he's going to be out. Now, I checked on Saturday. I don't think any of their veterans have asked for trades. I think right now they're willing to play it out and see how it goes. And I think we know the math is really against them. They're not going to make the playoffs likely.

But, you know, what happens if in three or four months, for argument's sake? And Asam Codry says, you know what? I'm a little older. I want to go somewhere else where I'm closer to winning. Like Markstrom did that. Hanifan did that. You know, so this might be a decision that's made for the flames instead of them making it. So I don't know that they needed to do that last week.

They play hard. They went out and they won two games. They're still 31st in the league. I think let's just let this organically go and see where we, where you end up. Because the flames, whatever they want to do, they're already rebuilding if you really look at it. And the other thing, too is if their players say, you know what, this is too far away for me, they're going to have to make that choice anyway.

Sure seems like every name we hear mentioned is. tied to Montreal. Montreal thinks they're going to do this here, do they're a big one. Yeah. Montreal is one. I would say New Jersey. Like the way New Jersey Because of Hughes, they're separate from Hughes. Well, also like look at the way they've played for the most part

just they've had before Hughes went down they were 13, 4 and 1 with a ton of injuries, right? So I think they feel pretty good about themselves. New Jersey, Carolina, Ottawa, you know, I, yeah, I think they're looking ahead. I do. I think

they think they're in their window right now. Their contract situation dictates that they're in their window right now. Dallas, Colorado, like I think there's teams here that are waiting, waiting. And I'll tell you someone else too. I mean, I think

now Vancouver, 30th in the NHL with the Quinn Hughes situation hanging over them, I think that's a team we're going to start hearing a lot more about too. What about the actual noise around Quinn Hughes and what 30th place does to that

Elliot because we're all under the impression that he wants to win now and if he doesn't see a window of it we all believe that he's going to walk is it not where it's leading us to? Well

look Nick like it doesn't look pretty right now. There's no question about that you know one of the things I've noticed is I don't know if they spoke to him or what they did But, you know, last night it was postgame. It doesn't bother me so much. But he, if you noticed him a couple weeks ago, like, he just, he looked really miserable.

And he kind of changed that. So I think when when you're the captain, you kind of have to not, you try to try to hide that from time to time. And I think he's done a better job of it. Like to me, Nick, it comes down to, it comes down to me. I'm curious to see where everybody is at the Olympic. deadline because at the olympics at the olympics because the olympics is starts a month before the trade deadline and but it also gives everybody time to breathe and figure out what they're looking at that for me is the big time this year like where's everybody at the deadline at the

olympic tournament hughes is going to be there maybe these conversations happen while he's playing there and oh sorry last one i know we're going to let him go but jordan kairu and st louis any any chance? I always think there's a chance there because he's kind of the guy that always gets bench first. But he has say, right? Like he's, so they, night at draft night, Justin, he could have gone to Seattle for the eighth overall pick. And Seattle said no.

They changed their minds. They said, or they decided not, since they changed their minds, they decided not to do it. Since then now he's got control. but I think it would have to be a place that he would be really happy with. Elliot, before we let you go, our boy, Sammy, needs an Olympic ice update. So the NHL sent their people over. What did they find out? I think they found out we're going to give them a month to really show us that they can do something here.

Actually, Sam, I'll say this. I heard that that is going to be the biggest concern is just, the quality of ice for the tournament. I don't think the building as much is the, I, like I made a joke about it. I asked someone two weeks ago, what does the building look like? And somebody said to me,

Stonehenge. And I said, there's no way it's that bad. You feel like you're making that up. And he kind of laughed. I heard initially someone said to me, they heard at the beginning, the roof was too low and they had to raise it a bit.

But I think the, I think the ice issues are going to be the thing. That's the thing here. The NHL is playing hockey in Florida. Bring the dome bubble thing they're going to set up. I totally agree. I think that's part of the NHL's frustrations, like they have no, and the players. They have no control over this.

This is IOC, IHF. And if you've ever renovated a house, and I have, and it was like the biggest nightmare I went through, you know how infuriating this can be. Elliot, great stuff as always, man. We really appreciate your time. Thanks for doing this. Thanks so much, Fridge.

All right, guys, my pleasure. Have a great day. All right. One of the best hockey insiders, Elliot Friedman, Hockey Night in Canada. That's a lot of updates. I would argue the best.

I would argue the best. Absolutely. That was good stuff. But second best. Do you? Well, you're not fully in the game anymore. Doesn't matter.

You don't admit to being in the game. Meanwhile is on the phone for four hours. Fully retired. I don't know about that. Game time? Didn't love that. What didn't you love? Olympic rank.

The roof being to those very funny. It could be playing in like a slurpy. It could be not great, man. Skating. If the ice is bad though, like they, like, owners would be like, are you, I'm going to send every good player I have over there to a sketchy ice. My junior team played the new bar, like the first day it was built sort of thing, and you would stop and whole like shards of ice, like big chunks would come out.

Like it's, you got to work ice in. It needs, you got to skate on it. Can you imagine being. like the owner of the Colorado Avalanche you're like, we're sending McCar, McKinnon. No, the insurance companies. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah, they're like, oh God.

No, well, that's their pocket. Yeah. But the abs are talking about losing the cups. Yeah. What is that worth your franchise long term? NACCHIS will go for the checks. Like, their whole team's going to go. Maybe their goalies will go for Canada. All the wood of the forest of gold tenders they have. Yeah, they're, uh, all right. It's game time.

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LA to take on the game yeah it's a good game uh kings are playing a lot better and this line would reflect that they are minus 165 favorites on home ice against the Ottawa senators Ottawa senators are plus 140 um the new york rangers are hosting the st louis blues Rangers big faves in that one minus 140 plus 120 in the money line for the blues you're going to say something? Just say something about Ottawa. Our own Alex Adams here has an article today

about the Senator's third line being the best in the NHL. Amadio, Shane Pinto, Claw Jureu. They are killing it. Yeah, they are. Also, they win every faceoff. So that Pinto's a pretty play. And Drew's perfect right there

where he's not... The guy. He's not paid like the guy, but he's still got talent and he can pull it. All right. Well, you love that line so much. How about a Michael Amadio anytime goal at plus 600 tonight against the L.A. Kings. So that was game time.

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including a very important player on J.B.'s New York Island. down for what could be the remainder of the season. Kutrov also took a big hit from you know who, Tom Wilson. Nine straight Ws for the Colorado Avalanche. Plenty more when we return to Real Kipper and Bourne. Hey, it's Ben Ennis. And I'm Brent Cunning. We got you covered on all things, Leifes, Rafters, and Blue Jays.

Every weekday morning, six to nine. It's the fan morning show. Sportsnet 590 the fan and wherever you get your podcast. As a podcast. As a reminder of this hour of Real Kippin-Born brought to by Bet365. Nick Kippro's Justin Bourne, our very own Sammy McKee. So yesterday,

there was a zero-zero-zero. after 60 minutes for the last 20 years we've changed a lot of rules to open up the game can't clutch can't do this can't do that offensive zone faceoffs penalties for flipping the puck over the glass

everything to create offense how can we still produce a hockey game 0-0 after 60 minutes. Well, and not much different, the Aves won 1-0-0 yesterday. It's in their games. There was two games that combined for one goal

and then a shootout winner by the aisles, Kyle Paul Mary. Wow. I know. I don't know, pretty uncommon. But those islanders guys, they're climbing. That is a nutty.

That's crazy. Romanov out five to six months. one of a total fluke we've beaten that to death so let's let's continue to beat it to death no but no no he he was turning into a very important player for the islanders

yeah you know it's funny because he has all the tools and he there were definitely islanders fans who were like he's got another gear but one thing I do like about him is he was physical you know like he'll he'll run through guys which is kind of fun fun to have back there speaking of which Tom Wilson

I think Saturday Ron McLean on Huckinite in Canada listed all his casualties over his career And then Did you see the hit on Kutrov? I actually did not No it was like a nothing hit

Well no it is something when Tom Wilson hits you Right Like getting clipped by a train It's still not great Any stretch anything that could be remotely challenged But Kutrov went into the boards like an accordion and just another message I think to team Canada that I can contribute in many ways you need me to cripple our opposition I'm here no I know what you're saying like that

is an appeal of what he does um I think he's made Canada I do I think that's a foreground I think you're right can I tell you what I heard I heard a little something about team Canada I heard that it's going to look a lot more like the Four Nations roster than my roster. Okay, now why is that? Because they put a lot of stock into guys that, you know, have been there for us and deserve the benefit of the doubt. Will they open it up, though? Well, some of the guys who didn't make it didn't make it for a reason.

So I'll go ahead and give a name. Mark Shifley. He didn't make Team Canada, the Four Nations face off. It wasn't because they thought other guys necessarily were having better years. For whatever reason, they didn't see a fit. Whatever, the coaching staff, whomever, it wasn't, he wasn't quite good enough for them then. And that probably hasn't changed, right? It's the same people making the same choices.

Sheifley's top 10 in the league and points, but I don't think he's a lock. I think it's going to look a lot more like it looked before. The one thing I think a lot of people do is they just put so much stock. into top scoring. Like, oh, he's leading the league in scoring or he's top five. And even Celebrini. Badard's the same way.

Even, you know, yeah, Celebrini. Like, I think he's got a chance. I don't know for sure if he's going to be there or not. At the end of the day, they could just say, sorry, too young, not ready. To your point, wasn't involved at four nations. But the narrative of automatic top score, Like, you know, John Tavares, right?

Give him full credit for what he's been able to do on a very disappointing start for the Toronto Maple Leafs. He's having a career start to the season and people want to put the fact that he's producing in the first 20 games up against Team Canada. And to your point, Bredardt too, it's not the way it works.

Baird's fourth in scoring in the NHL and his points per game are better than that. And I don't know that he's going to make the team. But, you know, two months ago in his first two seasons, he's just like minus 76. But he's not that guy anymore. Yeah, does that disappear? Does that disappear in 20 games?

A lot of it, too, is situational. And, you know, the guy who's making the decisions who's going over the boards is John Cooper. Do you want to go with Bardard? I get he's having more success putting the puck in the net, and he's looked better and stronger. But is it enough to take him from not even a thought in his first two seasons to, yeah, you made the team candidate in 30 games?

Yeah. I would say that this is what is the hardest thing about building these teams is making these decisions and being steadfast in them and having the potential of going into this tournament with all these incredible teams and not winning and then being second guest for. the rest of your career when it comes to team building. Because, yeah. Like, I mean, on the surface, if they take Anthony Sorrelli over Macklin Celebrini, I'm telling you what the nation's going to say.

If you take, I think Connor Bardard is on a lower level than that. Like, I think Badard, I think people understand some of the defensive deficiencies, but like, Macklin Celebrini's games a lot further along than Bedard's is to me in terms of a two-way guy. Like, there is going to be some capital B backlash. I'm telling you, my team that I built had Shifley, Suzuki, Celebrini, Wilson. I loved Suzuki on Saturday night.

He was so good. It was very close. Yeah, but I think it's going to look a lot more like the Four Nations team. I'm just telling you, like, that's, hey, and they want, Suzuki could look amazing on your third line. I think he's there. Right?

I think he's the exception. Like, you know, and in a pinch, if he needs to step up in a top six, totally. You have no problem. And Shifley's the same way for me. So you're thinking no. Celebrating.

No, I think no Badaard. No Shifley. Okay. And I think yes, Sorrelli, yes, Hagel, Tampa guys. That's going to be controversial. But if you win, if you go around your, no one remembers what happened. I don't know anything. No, I'm just saying.

I'm just asking your opinion on our opinion show. That's, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm just, my opinion of what they're going to do is change. Ah, I don't know that. Uh, there's lots of time. Best and Best and Best is happening forever now. There's lots of time for those guys to play when we come third. in the Olympics.

Third? Yeah. Okay, is there just... I can't do Jay's Lost World Series, game seven, Leafs suck. You know, I can't do this and then have Canada not win. There's so much mental health running on Canada.

Like, if we don't win hockey... If your mental health hinges on your sports team success, you need to talk to someone. I'm a generally very happy person except my sports allegiances recently, quite frankly. Recently. He needs a new job.

Yeah. honestly you could use a new job I would love a new job I think it would be like maybe a woodsman is that a job where I just couldn't go in the woods

and not watch anything specific woods what you can trigger how about a conservation officer you know that's a great job be a letter carrier yeah

but like TVs are still around no there no no we're taking away your phone and we're going to give you a flip phone I would love that honestly I would love that highlights no

nothing I have to admit something to you, like how embarrassingly sad I still am about the Jays World Series that like four times a week it like washes over me like a plague. Like it still kills me like almost daily. It's sad.

I might actually need a grief counselor for that. I think it has to do with your cold or something. No. It's all. No, no. No, no. It's all. I've been had lots of got the malaise.

Anyways. Okay, let's, I want to go back to the standings. Yeah. Have we seen enough to just, Can we post them? There's Colorado and then there's the rest of the league. Are we there? Colorado is farther ahead of second place by some measures,

I think in goal differential, then second is ahead of 25th. Did I see that yesterday? They had won five straight games by three or more goals until their most recent win, which was by two. They're 16, 1, and 5. They have not lost a game by more than 1 this year. And I don't know if you saw the tweet about,

you know, don't forget, they had goaltending, they had nothing in that. Yeah. And they went out and they got Blackwood and Wedgwood for Gorgiev and a bunch of mid round picks and something called Annanin. Yeah. Yeah. Fixed it. You know, I think

if you're an Oilers fan and you're listening to that, you're like, they can fix their goalies. Well, they could try. Like they tried. They went on, got a couple guys who weren't doing awesome, but they tried. They just got two different guys. They're like, hey, it's time for the Different guys. All we've concluded is these two don't work.

Yeah. Let's try different guys. And maybe they don't work, but we know for sure these ones don't. And you have 37 points from 22 games and you have a plus 38 goal differential. It seems like it might have worked. Yish. Speaking of the Evanston Oilers, lots of talk about changing up their system. Yeah.

Like, well beyond just try harder. Yeah. I'm curious to see how it looks in the next couple of games. Jason Greger, who I believe you're going on his show today at some point. I am. He had a quote from Chris Knoblock who said, we've been playing the exact same systems at five on five as we have the previous two years.

And we've talked about how things will work out or turn around, but it's got to the point where things haven't turned around 20 games in, and now we're starting to alter some things. So I think it's great to hear a coach talk about their systems and strategy. They've been doing the same thing. I think to change it up. Pretty good challenge coming up tomorrow night, Dallas. Good time to change your system.

But I don't think there's ever a great time. If you're going to do it, you've got to do it. And also... You can do it against... I don't know. But realistically, I can't believe they're going to switch to a more aggressive system. It's probably, you know, some sort of safer option, some sort of one-three-one or some sort of...

Anyway, I'm sure they're backing it off, if anything, so... One game. tomorrow night what do we got that's it oh that's the one then 15 Wednesday and then zero Thursday of course because of American Thanksgiving and then and then Friday there's you know who's quietly made a hard push now is Minnesota Wilde like Zuccarello back after starting the season without him I'm I'm a big Zuccarello fan well there was I mean going into this year they were done with the suitor deal done with the Parisi deal we're thinking this is going to be kind of it and they had a really slow start but i am team boldie all the way

really like boldie obviously caprice off can do damage i actually you know when talking about trade rumors i forget who it was but someone had ryan hartman in there like ryan hartman that's a pretty good player to be available for a team that's contending so there is there's a sense that there's a window for a lot of teams around three million four million there's a the easiest guys to unload on your cap so joshua machelli wadomi they are movable the question is perfect do you just do you want to dump right well that's i think anytime you're trading from a position of we have a guy to get rid of you're just getting worse so but this this this this jesper wallstead they have i was seeing that the how they get that pick five straight wins yeah he's been good really yeah he's been

Good. We're the second after they gave Gustafsson, $30 million over 60 years. Yeah, the Oilers traded the pick. The Oilers traded the pick for a goalie, who's like one of the best goleys in the league right now? The draft picks traded from Edmonton Oilers to Minnesota Wild for first round pick in the 2021 draft. Xavier Borgelt and round three pick in the 21 draft at Luca Moonsenberger. For sure. I remember both of those guys.

I was like could they come up with two harder names to say here so let's go through some of the stuff we talked to Elliot about we talked about Svetichikov and Carolina the blues and Barry Trots in Nashville in terms of who's available are any of these teams going to do anything before the deadline and or is there any yes oh you think so Nashville yeah oh please they got a dump I just feel like we've been doing this whole No, no, they got a, they got a shed. Ed.

Barry Tross, that's a tough look, having to do that. Stamcoast is, we'll be ready to leave by then. Who gets Stamco's? Well, I think there will be a number of teams interested, but a lot of factors have to come into play. Here's the biggest one. He needs to play better. Mm-hmm.

Start there. You've got five points of 21 games. Yeah, no good. Oh, boy. So he needs to show. that he'd be worthy of of a pickup and the other one is

is how much does the team potentially trading for him need Nashville to eat? I got to tell you if I'm a tree a team talking to Nashville I prefer March or so both for his contract and his style of play. Totally right well the most

the most one is he's cheaper yeah he's 5.5 stand so you could you could bring that contract down to three million. O'Reilly's 4 or 5. You mentioned Evangelista, who's 3 million and just 23 years old. That's the window.

Mm-hmm. That's the sweet spot. It's an interesting name. And then Brady Shea, he makes 7 mil until 2031, and he's 31. Buddy, Barry Trotson needs some help. He had a tough first summer as a GM.

Yes. But he went in there pretty horned up. Yeah. That a lot of big, splashy ones. They went from, like, totally against what they were. Their entire franchise, it was kind of like these under the radar, hardworking guys that, like, just got them into...

I think their franchise leading score is... Potentially David Leguant? David Leguant. That's who it is. And then... How is that for... And then all of a sudden, they're like, stars!

All the stars! And it was like, that pivot didn't work. But that was the Leafs many years ago with no salary cap, right? That was they used to get the stars. Yes. I mean, when they... They weren't at their peak, maybe necessarily. I'm just looking at the National Predators all the time.

We'll see what. It's wrong. It's Roman Yosey. Roman Yosey has passed David Legge one. And second is Philip Forsberg and third is David Legge one. So until recently, it was David Legge one. It got to be the only franchise who's leading scores at D-Man. Gotta be.

It's a great trivia question. No chance is a second. No chance. Go to Ray Borg? Let me look that up while you next time. All right. Wrap it up.

All right. Make like a Christmas present and wrap it up. Yep. Our thanks to Elliot Friedman from Hockey Night in Canada, 32 thoughts. Raybork, good one. 1,5006 points.

Nice point. What a poll by Sam. Seven games on tap, including, I think, Prime Amazon. Ottawa and the Lakers. So if you want to watch the Saints, sorry, the Kings.

They're going to play the cross. That'd be a hell of a matcher. If you're interested in watching the senators and maybe ordering some Lego, watch Amazon. Oh, there is. Right over your head, Sandy. Right over your head.

I'm struggling. Have a great night, everybody.