Real Kyper & Bourne - Turning the Tides in Vancouver with Rick Tocchet

Episode Date: November 3, 2023

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start with the Canucks boat racing the miserable Sharks 10-1 last night before they are joined by the Canucks' head coach, Rick Tocchet to share some insight on his coaching process and how he's turned things around in Vancouver (9:38). He delves into Quinn Hughes' play this year, JT Miller becoming a leader, Thatcher Demko's bouncing back after last season and Brock Boeser's work ethic. Finally, they discuss the Oilers' skid continuing as Sam Gagner scores two in the first game of his third stint with Edmonton, Jacob Trouba going after Sebastian Aho and answer your questions on the text line!The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

welcome into the national hour on the real kipper and born show we are live on sports net and sports at 650 in vancouver and sports net 960 in calgary and always this hour of Real Kipper and Bourne brought to you by Bet365. We got to start with the hottest team in Canada, if not the league right now. Whose jersey is that, by the way? All right, I got my mic on. The Zig Zags there. What do we got?

Is that your men's league? Yeah, it's a strong tradition. Old franchise in Toronto for beer league. The Zags, look at that. It's the old Islanders. How many texts did you get from your teammates loving that? Those plugs don't have TV. Those grunts are all in their shanties.

They don't watch TV. Are we getting anything from the Zig Zags? No, I wasn't even going to acknowledge it. But now that you're talking about it on national television, they're really excited. I can guarantee you're excited. The other logo has a guy consuming. Yeah, it's a zigzag.

It's a zigzag. All right. Anyways, send your men's league jerseys in, and we'll hang them up for the rest of the year. What do we care? We've got to get a Vancouver. Send them in. There's no address.

Just send them in. We'll get a Canucks. The old one, though. The mid-90s. We should have a Quinn Hughes jersey up today. I would love if everyone sent us jerseys. Send us jerseys. Figure out the address.

I don't know what it is, but send them in. Care of. Quinn Hughes last night with a goal and four assists. I know, Sammy, you had him etched in as the Norris Trophy winner this year. And I feel the exact same way. He won it last night. Yeah. The 10-game Norris, he has been crowned the winner.

Congratulations. He is the 10-game Norris winner. Holy smokes, is he playing well? Hey, the Sharks might be pretty awful. Okay. 10-1. It's humiliating. Boys, it's embarrassing.

Like, the league should feel can they can they they just like something has to happen yeah like credit to vancouver for taking care of business and all but like this because the salary cap system that people are incentivized to tank which already is bad and a bad look. You got fans. You're trying to have competitive integrity. This Sharks team, holy smokes, they may win 10 hockey games this year. Would you like to hear some stats on the San Jose Sharks? I would love to. The Sharks, six even strength goals are the fewest in NHL history through the first 10 games of a season.

Six even strength goals in 10 games. What did the Canucks have last night? Probably six. I know they had some power play goals. Their minus 34 goal differential is the NHL's worst through 10 games since the expansion 92-93 Senators, which won their first game against Montreal Canadiens.

I may add 5-3. But yeah, some historically bad numbers so far for the Sharks. Relegation is not the worst idea. Brock Besser, two goals and an assist. Anthony Beauvillier gets on the score sheet, I think, with two goals in the third. And dare I say it, Sam Lafferty is looking like a rock

star out west. Your former Leaf, Sammy. Would you like one more Sharks stat? I got as many as you want, pal. Points this season, the Hughes brothers, Jack, Quinn, and Luke of 41. The entire Sharks roster, 24. Okay, they suck. They absolutely suck.

There's something about me that I just love really bad sucking stats like that. That's bad. But yeah, Sam Lafferty, turns out, he's a pretty good player. And that may have been a hell of a trade by Alvin in Vancouver. Leafs have six goals from their non-core forwards. And Lafferty's got three.

Well, 18 pims and killing all these. And a fifth rounder. Yeah. Pretty good pickup. Yeah. Well worth pickup. Yeah. Well worth it. In about five, seven minutes, we're going to hunt down Rick Tockett,

head coach of the Vancouver Canucks, and a guy that has his fingerprints all over this very good start by the Canucks. Yeah. Got him going in the right direction. And we've had talk on our show the last few years. He was, when he was a member of the TNT hockey crew. And he's not going to sound much different than he would if he was still an analyst. Of course, he's going to maybe pick and choose his words a little wiser.

But you get the real deal out of this guy. Yeah, he doesn't mince words. It's crazy like knowing how tough it is to make up ground in the nhl standings if you look at things right now and you look out west the oilers lose again last night they're two six and one you know looking at that pacific division the canucks are up 10 points on the oilers right now you know i think the canucks have gone from a place of like this is a nice hot start to you know they might have a thing going here this is probably a playoff team 10 games in they look like a playoff team to me legit plus 24 goal a goal differential

yeah jt miller to me uh just just watching him go to another level a little bit. He's always been this talented player, whether it was New York, Tampa. But now, I think under Tockett's watch, the goal that he scored last night, coming in forehand, backhand, that's kind of world-class stuff for me. That is. No, he is super talented so they look legit crazy how vancouver is kind of going the opposite direction of everyone in canada last night leafs end up losing i mean everyone lost right winnipeg lost edmonton lost

montreal lost it's getting to be montreal had a good start too but for the jets they're now four four and two some concerns there i would think so good day to talk to someone from the canucks and what was almost like an afterthought on not if but when brock besser was going to get traded or moved or when vancouver decided to get enough money to bring down his salary cap so teams could take a run at him um all of a sudden like he looks like as good as anybody shooting the puck yeah it was a rocket last night eight goals in 10 games for jt miller um you know really an elite shooter to me who's just had a tough run of injury luck some bad off ice stuff so it's almost like everyone going at the same time. They've got Ilya Mikheyev back.

He's got three goals in six games. I mean, that's what I mean. It looks like a pretty legit team, and the Hironic ad is probably one of the biggest reasons why they have another solid D-man they can rely on instead of Oliver Ekman-Larsen. I think probably a shift for a lot of fans in Vancouver who, you know, at the end of the Boudreaux era,

going into talk at taking over, I'm sure they were kind of setting their sights. Remember the talk of them getting really bad for Bedard, the North Vancouver kid last year? Yeah. And them kind of... I said they should. I did too.

I mean, I think everyone was saying that. But the change from, hey, hey we're gonna try to suck to like now being through the start of the season being only behind the vegas golden knights in that division you're like oh oh so now we're good like what are you it's a it's a shift in mentality for a lot of canucks fans i'm sure and probably a welcome one because they haven't been very good since i guess was it the bubble that they went kind of deep in that and kind of bit of fool's gold but they've been good this year man i love I love it. And, like, having guys down the lineup like Phil DiGiuseppe, he's been really good for them.

Nils Hoaglander, you know, like, those guys at least a couple of goals here and there, and that's something, you know, we just did our Leafs hour. That's something that's lacked in Toronto. Yeah. Saturday, I think Dallas is in town for the Vancouver Canucks, and Vancouver will get a bigger test out of a team that we all expect to contend.

I don't know if Dallas, if we still consider them up there enough to maybe give Vegas a run for their money or Colorado. They'd just be two pretty good teams. The Canucks' next five games, it's the Dallas Stars and then Canada, baby. They got

the Oilers, the Senators, the Leafs and the Canadians coming up. Love that. Love getting to see the Canucks when they're playing well. That's just a week from now. Dallas is definitely not the Sharks. Watched the second half of that game last night against the Oilers. 4-3 win by the Dallas Stars over the Edmonton Oilers,

which, again, is a fairly spirited game. Lying. I think he may be the most underrated guy in the league. He's almost 40 goals two years in a row. No, I know what you mean. You don't hear his name in that. I love watching him play. The way he goes up and down the ice, that's a play driver.

Just everybody's on their heels. And you heard of Edgar Kane last night? The frustration coming out. he goes up and down the ice like that's a play driver just everybody's on their heels and you heard of edward kane last night like the frustration coming out they was asked about you know the sense that they're still a good team and he was like to hell with the sense like we need to play we need to win now and i know we're going to go into the oilers a little bit more in the back half but you know connor brown tweaked something last night i think and you know things are they're in a tough spot here. That was a tough loss for Edmonton, who played pretty well last night.

And they got a couple goals from new signee Sam Gagne. Yeah. Get him back in that. Love that. All right, as promised, the head coach of the Vancouver Canucks, let's welcome in three-time Stanley Cup champion Rick Tockett. Hey, Tock, big win last night, but clearly you want to talk about your team's turnovers, right?

I mean, you must have saw one or two of them, three of them. Like, come on, there's something that you didn't like. I know, you're right. I could keep my mouth shut right now. Right. First of all, listen, congrats on a good start i mean that doesn't mean much to you unless it's followed up by other good starts but a little surprising where you are in the standings or the success that you've had i know with you it's all about a process here but just

talk about where you are now and where you were when you ended training camp. Yeah, I think also over the summer, listen, you know, a lot of things were going our way, and we just got to keep doing the right things. But we started this summer talking, obviously, with Petey and Millsy, Huggy and Demko. You know, they're tired of losing, and they wanted to build something and build that identity. And I think they're the guys that spearheaded this. We gave them a game plan.

They were involved in it. And now they're really taking over this room and making sure that we can stay consistent on the way, like you said, Kipper, like our process, or a side called Staples. And, hey, listen, win or lose, if you do the right things, like our processor, a side called Staples. And hey, listen, win or lose, you know, if you do the right things, you've got a better chance of being successful. And we're not really worried about the wins and losses, obviously. We want to win.

It's more of we do the right things every day. That's the hard part. Well, tell us about the every day of watching Quinn Hughes right now. You know, some people may not have had him in that tier one of elite defensemen around the NHL. I think Quinn Hughes would disagree. Some people may not have had him in that tier one of elite defensemen around the NHL. I think Quinn Hughes would disagree with that sort of sentiment.

What did you maybe not know that you found out since you've been working with him on a daily basis? Well, you know, I hate to say, he's got a little chip, which I love. He really worked on a few things this summer on walking the blue line.

He's got about three other moves that he does. I've got to be honest with you. As being a forward, a right-winger, coming out of the left defenseman, he does some stuff. I don't even know how you could defend him. But he worked on it all summer. I mean, I think he might have took a week or two off, and he skated all summer.

And I think he takes it personal when people don't think he can defend. There's different ways to defend. You know, obviously the old school guys can stop a cycle by knocking people around, but he defends with quickness. I remember talking to Huggy when we won the cup there one year, you know, we didn't have the big bruising defensemen, but we had Brian Dumoulin and LePang and all these types of guys, and they defended with smarts and quickness. So that's where he defends really well.

You know, he's on the ice last minute. He's also on the ice when it's five against six. So he's doing something right, I'll tell you that. When you talk about, you know, ownership of the room and certain guys kind of taking over, if you would have told me last few years that a guy like JT Miller's taking over a room, I think there's a few guys that would roll their eyes. And I'm watching him this year, and he just seems to be in such a good place right now.

And I'm starting to really turn into a fan here of JT Miller. What have you done? How have you been involved in just maybe this kind of resurgence of a career here for him? Yeah. Yeah. For me, Kipper, I can only go in real time. When I got here, the relationship that I built with him.

I love the kid. You know, if I was picking a U.S. team in the Olympics, he'd be on my team. Obviously, I'm biased. Plays a 200-foot game. Not concerned about points. He gets them, but he's not really concerned about points. He's really, you know, he's worked on his leadership leadership skills and that's what I love about him he he knows like like all of us when we play we know our strengths and weaknesses

and he's really the emotional leader of our team you know we have a fairly you know it's starting to get a little bit more boisterous but a very you know fairly quiet team and he takes a lot of responsibility to make sure guys are ready to play that's a big responsibility you got to play on the edge all the time and i i just love the fact that uh he's an unselfish guy and sometimes he's misportrayed here um i don't see that um i see a guy that's willing to sacrifice for his team talk i know you would have watched us on tv last night but it was regional here in ontario so you probably couldn't so So I'll tell you, we talked about the Canucks, and we all were asked to say why we think things have turned around. Kip said Rick Talkett.

I'll have you know that. I agree with him, but I did say Thatcher Demko. What's changed from last year to this year for Demko to look like Vesna Demko again here? Well, Kip is too kind. I love it, Kip, but it's really, listen, it's Demko. It's the Pedersen. It's Huggy.

I could go down the list. A lot of guys have bought in, so we're doing. But Demmer is just like, you know, obviously I was very lucky when I got here. He was hurt, and he started to play when I shortly took over. He gets a chance to win every night. How can he not be in the top goaltenders? Everything else he does is about a team.

He doesn't care about stats and all that. He just cares about winning. And if we can get him to play half the net with our system we got a good chance you know to be successful um it's when you start having goalies play post to post you let those seams passes and guys are diving you know guys are trying to dive in and give odd man rushes that's where you get in trouble so that's what we've cleaned up and i think demmer is one of the guys that spearheads that with our system we're talking to rick tockett head coach of the vancouver canucks uh i'm not turning this into a leaf conversation on your talk at all but uh brad marshan brad marshan got involved with uh timothy uh lilligren last night um and then the topic of

conversation is a team's response talk we know we're not uh 25 years ago and uh uh you know there isn't five or six or seven guys on the bench but as a head coach today um what is acceptable or not acceptable in your estimation for for a response and if is is it to the point where and we had doug mclean talk a little bit on it it's nice when you have players that take it upon themselves, but if they don't, in today's game, can a coach still nudge the players for a response?

Yeah, that's a great question. I think nowadays, to me, Kipper, responses are different than they did when we played. I think we all know the responses when we played. To think we all know the responses when we played. To me, it's if you get a power play where you're just teeing it up and you're all over the team. Or is it a guy that's not known as a tough guy?

He stops in front of the net and takes a beating to try to deflect the puck. Is it another guy that's not known for being a – maybe he's more of a skilled guy where, you know, he will go play one of the Bruins players hard that shift. Those are the responses I think all us coaches want to be a little, play a little more uncomfortable. You know, obviously the tapping and the fighting, that doesn't work anymore and it doesn't, you know,

I guess for the good of the game. But I'm looking for responses of other guys to do uncomfortable things fighting that doesn't work anymore and it doesn't you know i guess for the good of the game but i'm looking for responses of other guys to do uncomfortable things so the other team knows oh my god they're coming at us um that's what i look for responses so you know you mentioned that you don't really it's not all about wins and losses right now how do you measure success for a team when you're trying to grow something build something and you're looking at 82 games and not just the first 10 i think every i call it every day you come in we gotta earn our day um you know i i'm not a big like i don't like entitlement i think

whether you win five nothing or lose five nothing i think the next thing you gotta earn it and uh we try to make sure that we come to the rink whatever our daily duties are if it's a practice or it's off ice or if it's a video session earn it be involved bring some energy you know we have our pillars investment you know we want to compete uh then we have a command and those are the four things we want every day guys come in yesterday's yesterday you know we, we try to live in the past and have a short-lived memory. That's the only way you get out of the doldrums or

the losing streaks. And now how do you handle prosperity? You know, we've had a good first 10 games. But, you know, how do we handle it? You know, I made a joke to the press the other day. Are we fat and happy or are we just going to continue earning our day and let the chips go as they may?

That's just my philosophy. Brock Besser, what do you attribute to his great success now, looking like one of the best shooters in the game right now? Yeah, you know, he's over a couple years struggling. You know, he shared some stuff. His dad passed away and, you know, lost a piece of him. And I think he came at peace with his dad passing away, what he would want him to do.

He's watching over him. And he just came over the summer working his tail off. He took the information that I wanted from him. I told him I need him to obviously battle a little harder, participate on the floor check, and get inside. And he's done that. He's worked out hard this summer, and

he's starting to pay dividends. Now the key is, can you do it for 82 games? That's the next thing. So far, he's passing the test. He's been one of our best players in his 10 games. He's a really smart player, too. Like, his hockey IQ is underrated. And I'll be honest with you, I'm a big practice guy.

I want him to go first or second on our drills. Because, you know, when we used to play, we'd be a drill buster in practice. Well, he's a guy that just does the right thing so guys can follow him. Hey, Toc, at 7-2-1, are you ready to declare this team better than they think they thought they were? I forget the line.

I could just declare I think guys are confident. They know how we want to play. And hopefully if we hit the bumps, and there are going to be some bumps coming down the road, we can get back to our game quicker. That's the key. You know, not make these three, four, five game blips in the radar. Can we get our game back?

And I think that's the important part. Terrific stuff. Congratulations on the great start. Big fan, as always, of your talk. Thanks for doing this, pal. Thank you. Great fan of your show. Thanks, guys.

Take care. All right, that's Rick Talkett. Yeah, he's – it's – Thank you. Great show. Thanks, guys. Take care. All right. That's Rick Talkett. Yeah, he's like it's certain coaches that can say something. And then then there's a guy that like lived all of it. Yeah. And it's like the boxes were full. That man is not a bluff.

There's no he's looking at a player going. You really think I'm buying that? I invented that. OK, it's not. It's funny. He says, you really think I'm buying that? I invented that. Okay. It's not, it's not flying. He says, you know, we have the pillars.

I'm sure they have some sort of, you know, keywords, whatever. He mentioned two of them right away were investment and compete. And that's funny. Cause we spent the first hour talking about the Leafs and that investment in the team,

not to do too much Leafs in the national hour, but wasn't there something about him and the Leafs? Didn't they want him as an assistant or something? Like, I remember we talked about this in our first year. Yeah, he didn't want it. Yeah, well, why would you? Well, yeah, I don't know. I remember you asked him about it.

I was like, don't you want the Leafs job? I was under the impression that he may have been offered or had an opportunity to work with uh the leafs boy and i think his choice was to sit back and wait for a head coaching job and you knew it was inevitable he was in such a good place at tnt yeah they were probably paying him okay always waiting so talk it's clippers yeah yeah can't help but wonder yeah anyways uh you want to go to your game time or yeah we should probably do that before let's do that so um let me just get this my read in front of me here boys uh it's time for game time presented by bet 365 visit the app for the latest odds find out why it's never ordinary at

bet 365 must be 19 plus. Ontario only. Play responsibly. Bit of a light night tonight on the ice. So I was looking at some futures, as you know I love to do. And I was looking at Conor Bedard's goal total for the rest of the year. I can't remember what it was to start

the year, what the number was. Do you have any recollection? I remember I said 42. No, but like what? 31 or 32. It was in the low 30s, I thought. I thought it was higher than 30. the year what the number was. Do you have any recollection? I remember I said 42. No, but like what they're betting. Was it 38? No, 31 or 32. It was in the low 30s, I thought. I thought it was higher than 30. Anyways. I remember 37. But now on bet 365,

the number is 31 and a half. For Bedard on the year. Yes. And the over is still the favorite, a slight favorite, and the under is a slight underdog plus 100. I think he's got what? He's got four now or three or where where are you leaning for him for the rest of this year but do you remember talking about his first 10 games his first 10 games in the nhl have been insane he was against

crosby then in boston then in montreal in toronto against colorado vegas boston vegas like holy yeah Vegas, Boston, Vegas. Holy. Yeah, it's been a lot. And now his schedule softens a little bit. It's not going to be cake by any means, but they have some beatable teams in the next little bit. He's going to turn it. He's on pace for 36, I think. So you think he gets there? I think it's going to get harder

and harder. It's going to get harder, but I think that start was very rough. Every night he's seeing the top line and the top pair. But you'd rather see the top line and the top pair on Nashville, Buffalo, Columbus, St. Louis, Seattle than the way it started

for him. I think it would be a pretty decent time to hit that over. So I try to watch the Blackhawks because they're just so bad there's just not a lot of not san jose bad though i mean no one is they're they're the they're the washington generals they added hall and felino and perry like they tried to have some hockey players by the way i still think san jose needs do that. He's got one power play goal too, which is...

Yeah. He's going to... If he's going to... If he's going to net 30... Usually got to juice it up there. He's got to... They got to get that thing going. It's funny because he's like Matthews in that he's a guy with an unreal shot, but that shot

is not a one-timer. You know? Like Matthews' shot is not a one-timer. He's a... Flingshot. Yeah, exactly. Like the goal he scored last night that you were tweeting about. It's just like, it's an absurd shot, man.

True hockey people will know that this guy's a special talent. But if his numbers are really ordinary this year, it's going to feel like a disappointment. What was McDavid in his rookie year? Was he big numbers? Got hurt, didn't he? Didn't he? Yes, he did.

Did he play like half the year or something? I think he still had some fairly big numbers. Oh, for sure. I mean, he's... Sid had 100 points, didn't he? Connor McDavid's rookie year, he had 48 points in 45 games. Yeah. So about point per game, a little better.

Next year, he had 182. 100 points in 82 games. And what did Sid have? He was over 100. I think he had like 100 and... I want to say, if I'm going to guess, he had 182 100 points in 82 and what did sid have he was over 100 i think he had like 100 and i want to say if i'm gonna guess he had 107 points was that that's that's that's like large was that right out of the lockout when everything got no it wasn't uh in 0506 102 points for sid this first year 81 games 39 that games, 39 goals. That's pretty good, I'd say. Pretty, pretty. And just a quick one, because the Flyers,

I think they're missing Couturier tonight. I think they may be even without Carter Hart, who got hurt the other night. Yeah. I like the Sabres tonight on their home ice before they come to Toronto in the second half of the back-to-back. Goal from Tage Thompson and a Sabres win plays plus 190. So that's another little one for a same gamer tonight.

And that was Game Time presented by Bet365. Visit the app for the latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary at Bet365. Must be 19 plus, Ontario only. Please play responsibly. Beauty. Tage Lemieux's heating up a little bit now six goals yeah i forgot that we did we haven't seen we haven't seen that kind of dominance yet out of

him though yeah he was really good he scored his highlight reel his mixtape from last year was some of the most absurd goals that i could remember seeing ridiculous and he shoots it hard yes well that was the one thing i was actually, as we're talking, I'm pulling up, is hardest shots by forwards this season. This guy absolutely crushes it. Shot speed, let's see here, forwards over 160 kilometers per hour. Him and Kasperi Kapanen are the only guys

to hit it that hard. Kasperi Kapanen? He has 10 shots over 145 this year. He likes the Ovechkin spot, too, on the Buffalo power play. Oh, yeah, he can rip it from there. We mentioned Brock Besser we saw last night with an incredible snipe. Pasternak last night hit one so hard. I cannot believe.

Off the rush. The net didn't come across. It didn't break. I thought he was going to split the puck in two on the bar. He hit that so hard in stride off the wing. Off the joint of the rush. The net didn't come across. It didn't break. I thought he was going to split the puck in two on the bar. He hit that so hard in stride off the wing full speed. Off the joint of the elbow. Absurd. Yeah. I didn't think he was very good last night. Pasternak. No.

He did. He did? Bit of a give away. A little bit of a give away machine. Real Kipper and Bourne in Boston. Boy, that Pasternak was no good last night. By the way, 145 kilometer per hour shots. Two guys have 10 of them this season.

Cage is one. Who's the other? Forwards. Among forwards. Ovi? Ovi is third place with six. Don't know. Stammer time. Of course. So gettable. That was dumb. What is 145 in miles

per hour in english yeah exactly i'll find out for you immediately i want to say imperial it's 90 90 plus yeah yeah that was pastor max was 90 plus i actually love that on the broadcast now when they put up the kilometers per hour i love when uh when i was still in the game once upon a time yeah we had the radar stuff. I couldn't get over 90. Well, Kip, the sticks made a rebar. No, I afraid he had no problem going 102, 105 with his lumber. I heard a story that he did flip-flops once.

Is that true? Did you know something about that? That's the type of story that gets blown up. That's uphill both ways in the snow type of one. Yeah, we never did an event with him with flip-flops, I can tell you. I don't know where I heard that story, but I heard that he did it in flip-flops.

This guy would come in for practice. We had an unbelievable interview. He dropped the hardest F-bomb ever on our show. He didn't flinch. He never used his own stick in practice. He'd go to the rack, and he'd just close his eyes, and he'd pick a stick.

It didn't matter if it was like a guy that played at 5'7 or 6'5. He was going to use the stick. He's ruled. He was going to use his stick the whole practice. Didn't matter. Why didn't he just take his own? Because he's Al.

That's why. Isn't he riding shirtless on a motorcycle. Sorry, no, clotheless. Just in a trench coat on a motorbike. Isn't that the story? That is pretty impressive that in a game you're well over 90 miles an hour. I mean, it's so tough situationally to get the chance to take a shot that hard. You need room, time, space, momentum, the puck.

You know, to do it 10 times and it's been 10 games is pretty baffling. Not like golf where the ball's just sitting there. Yeah. Waiting for you to hit it. It's sliding around. It's in your feet. By the way, Radko Gudis passed Sanheim for the hardest shot of the year, 101.69 in gameplay, which is pretty crazy.

What did you say? Sanheim seems like the hand of time. 101? For Radko? Yeah. Wow. Sanheim, Hedman, and Gudis all have 101? For Radko? Yeah. Wow. Sanheim, Hedman,

and Gutis all have 101 mile an hour shot this year. Unbelievable. Get those texts in. Did you wrap up? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I did. It's Friday. Text us. Yeah. 595. All right, let's take a quick break here.

When we return, we're going to talk a little bit New York Rangers because we did start this theme earlier today on when is the right time for a team to stand up for retribution all of that

seems like the Rangers have no problem last night Adam Fox goes down Jacob Truba turned it a little personal and we'll tell you why he did after the break all All right.

More real Kipper and Bourne after these words. Breaking down the top stories in the NHL every day. The Jeff Marriott Show. Subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. and down the stretch we come on a friday on the real kipper and born show uh you have jack michaels play that for us And down the stretch they can. Yeah, I didn't like that, though, because it's horse racing. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, that's unrelatable to a hockey game. But here, people have accused us of being horses or jackasses, one of the two. Donkeys. Sure, it's all kind of called a lot. That's a pretty PC version.

Oilers, losers last night to the Dallas Stars. Sam Gagne, I don't know. I went home. We did the Leaf Boston game last night, but I went home and I had a big kick out of watching Sam Gagne for the seventh time now as an Edmonton Oiler. The second one was not pretty. It was like a trick.

You know what was pretty? Watching Sam and you couldn't tell if you're watching a guy who's been in the league 15 years or a guy who's just started game one of his NHL career. Just the passion and the energy

and everybody in that building last night thinking, Sam Gagne is going to tie this game up. Yeah, he's the guy, the energy pushing it through. Actually, late in that game, there was a point where Kane drove out wide and he dropped the shoulder and he threw a nice pass into the slot and it was just like a little bit out of the reach of Sam Gagne

where he would have been like right in on net. It was like, oh my God, it's happening. The hat trick, like just when it left his stick, I'm like, oh my God, this might happen. But yeah, he looked good. It's crazy to even depend on him. Not much still going right for the Oilers. Connor Brown looked like he tweaked something off of a face-off, I think.

Such a hard worker, loves the game. Did they say last night he's a game away from a $3 million bonus? They did say that. I got to tell you, I'm finding a way of hiding that injury. No, no, you're not. No, no, you're not no no you're not and uh uh i i don't think it's in jeopardy well for you it would be getting another shift it would be but that three million dollars will go on their salary cap next year if he collects it right so presumably if he collects it, right? So presumably, if he's going to come back at game 70 or something.

No, well, first of all, he had that ACL surgery last year. I think he only played like four games with the Washington Capitals last year before he was out the rest of the year. The early word is it's not related. Is that what you were worried about? Yes, I was concerned that this was... All right, Edmonton Oiler fans, I think the feeling last night was that it was something different going on there.

And it's unconfirmed because they still got to take pictures, I'm sure, or with the doctors. And I don't want to give anybody any false hope, but maybe it wasn't as serious as some people would have thought. That would be devastating. I did. So in the ECHL, I hurt myself while playing two-touch, tore my MCL before the game,

and I wasn't sure if insurance covered that or not, and I was in the U.S., so I went out for a warm-up and pretended to slip on a puck. So I probably would have hit it. Oh, no. Okay. I've never told that story. Oh, no. Okay. I've never told that story before. I really did that.

I went through two work stoppages in the NHL, one a strike and a lockout. And we were hearing stories about guys breaking their arms on purpose. To collect. To collect. Because when you were hurt, you got paid through a work stoppage. And I think guys. How crazy is that? Well, it happens with guys.

How do you do it? With a hammer? Like where you jump and go skiing? And then you go skiing or something? Crash into a tree? Well, I know there are guys who have been called up to the American League. Maybe a fighter or something gets called up to goon it up for an nhl team who get pretty seriously injured and spend a lot of time collecting an nhl paycheck that's deceitful i remember when jeff tambolini was on my american

league team when he got called up he said his paycheck per day was almost this exact same but with a zero on the end so it was like a day, he was making three grand a day. You know, like that was like the difference. So yeah, I might want to- A lot better. Yeah. A lot better. Okay.

Throughout the day, big theme of when players need to step up for one another. Of course, last night we watched it with Brad Marchand and Timothy Lilligren. Lilligren leaving the game. Not much of a response out of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Also last night, Adam Fox goes knee-on-knee with Sebastian Ajo. Yeah. Who did nothing wrong in my personal estimation. But, here's the but.

Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. According to... In the mind of a big tough guy, he thought it was bad. According to the New York Rangers... According to the stone tablet, the rules have been... According to the New York Rangers and Jacob Truba.

This is Jacob Truba's response on going after Ajo last night. Yeah. I mean, I gotta fight every time I do something, so I figured he should probably have to answer for it too. But he didn't feel that way with not me, with anybody. Okay.

He's had that for quite a while, that attitude. Yes. And apparently it's good enough to make him the captain of the New York Rangers. If he has to fight, it's because he tries to cripple people. He doesn't try. He succeeds. I think it's a he tries to cripple people. He doesn't try. He succeeds. I think it's a different situation with him, though, Kip, because he's really good and he's on the ice half the game,

and he can take, he can do that. I would say he is one of the cleanest body checkers I've ever seen in any era. This guy is fantastic at the open ice head which still puts him in a place where you have to answer to it because it doesn't matter clean or not it doesn't matter guilty or innocent if you try to purposely hurt one of my players, then I have to answer the bell. He gets it. Some others, I don't think, understand that, including some on the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Yeah, where it was like, I need to see a slow-mo replay of that to decide if that guy needs to be. It's like, no, you put him in a bad spot, whether you meant to or not. Not happy with you. Honestly, Kipip had they not fought at all last night but the response from the team was verbal i'd have been happy honestly i would have been like someone skated over to him and grabbed him by the jersey and it was like hey what are you doing marner went up to him it was

like hey how about you don't do that and like you know give him a little spear in the belly or something like you don't have to fight but if everyone had just clingberg do give him a little spear in the belly or something. You don't have to fight, but if everyone had just... Klingberg did give him a little shot. Klingberg did whisper to him a little bit. But yeah, a little bit more than Ryan Reeves, just saying, don't do that. Or a threat, something. And for the Rangers, it really goes back to, I think, feeling embarrassed over a few years ago,

Tom Wilson, and not having a response to Tom Wilson. And it's really, it, it has changed. Yeah, it did. He, there's jokes that he just destroyed the franchise.

Like he ripped it apart. Yeah. And. Well, that's when they went to get Reeves maybe. Yes. Yeah. Totally.

And Galant. Yeah. It was all tied to one incident all right uh we got some uh text messages at 590 590 we do and i just we've gotten this has struck a nerve with leave nation and a lot of people really agreeing with you kipper i won't read too many of them because i think uh your head won't fit on the screen after I'm finished with him. But I just love this text, because if you're listening to the show, after the missed Marchand penalty that led to the injury of Timothy Lilligren last night, why didn't any of the Leafs step up? Wasn't there a good spot to do it? Have you not been listening for too long?

That was your text choice? 90 minutes of this? I have no more thoughts on this topic. Here we go. This is one that I actually want to ask. I think it's interesting. This is from Wendell in Burlington. Do you think Brad for Living is upset with Keefe right now?

I thought it was all dubious who didn't like fighting. Now I really wonder. I really miss Luke Shen. Really, really. That's from Wendell in Burlington. What do you think the relationship is like right now in nashville but man did he did he turn around the perception of being a guy on waivers yeah he sure did you know the the tree living keith thing the only thing i do wonder is the usage of bertuzzi who you know getting

benched a couple of times i do wonder if tree living is not super pumped about this guy who has actually been playing okay yeah i would think any any general manager would would have a big say on any team if he feels like the players aren't stepping up and looking like a team and this was brad brad made it abundantly clear what was missing off of kyle dubas's toronto maple leafs and i cannot believe for one second that after watching last night that brad either threw his head coach or dealing with it with his players directly and i would say on average a coach has maybe two visits a year so you really need to him i'm sorry a gm a gm has two visits into the room the last thing a gm wants to do is be that guy so true by the way if a gm came in a third time you'd be like okay pal you know maybe two but yeah for brad if he's gonna use one of two bullets good spot

i can't think of a better one than after last night's non-response to the boston bruins the austin matthews darlene saturday night fight is all coming to a head here it's all going to happen finally uh this is an interesting question there's a total curveball and off off topic that's why we like text what do you think about junior teams retiring jerseys here in the sioux we're retiring thornton's jersey on saturday although the kid was amazing when he was here he was only here for one season. Like others retired here, Gretzky, Francis, Adam Foote, and Craig Hertzberger also hang

in the Raptors, but they're a bit longer junior careers. Gotta be for their junior career. Like, don't say, okay, he went on to a great NHL career and he played here, so we're retiring it. If a guy plays there and has huge numbers for years and you win a championship, 100% retire it.

Kip in North Bay, are you not retired up there? Well, technically it's the battalion. So I don't know. They've moved around. The Centennial's moved somewhere else and then Brampton moved to North Bay after. Yeah, you're right. He's a junior expert on all of this.

He could have made all that up. No, it's true. I'm okay with junior organizations holding on to that history. Yes, of course. And it doesn't matter. You don't have to have a Hall of Fame career. You just need to have a blueprint or a thumbprint on your community for three or four years that people can remember

for the next 40 or 50 years absolutely can they raise kyle dubas's glasses to the rafter all their players in the soup bringing all the players to the nhl did he win anything there uh they went to the the final i don't think they won. Okay. Yeah. Beat the brakes off them a couple times. So I hate to call it because I love the question, but he was there for two seasons with the Sioux. Who's that? Joe Thornton. Okay. And he had big years both years.

I hate to call it the Texter, but he was there for two years. I think you should retire Joe Thornton's number if you're the Sioux. That's my opinion on it. Yeah, it looks good in New York. You know, it's nice. Like, I went out to Oshawa the other weekend, and, like, their jerseys hanging in the rafters there are just phenomenal. Like, it's, you know, it's Bobby Orr.

It's Lindros. It's Savard. It's Tavares. Like, that's, like, you want to have those names up there. When you have a stud in the NHL. That's like the New York Yankees of junior hockey. Yeah. Yeah, you're right.

But, nice barn um i believe conor bedard will have similar stats to den to dennis savard's rookie year oh let me just call that up off the top of my head now i'm interested because i saw that text those were big numbers weren't they i'm looking right now savvy with his spinoramas the only thing i know about him is he spun a lot he had in 76 games he had 28 goals and 47 assists for 75 points i think that's a totally fair assessment i actually think this texter with a really weird comparison might be right can you give me some names around around savvy that year? Because I think he would have had. Daryl Sutter. Pretty good. Reg Kerr.

He's on the fence. Tim Higgins. I don't want to butcher this name. Tom Lysiak. Lysiak? Todd Lysiak. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. He was a number one type of centerman. I think he had some big years. Okay. So that's a fairly good playmaker for him. Okay. On a power play to work with. How about Al Secord?

Al Secord? I'm just looking at this roster right now. Laura Secord's husband? Doug Wilson? No. No. No? No, wasn't on that team. Oh, he was on that team. I lied to your face.

Then it's 75 points. He was on that team. I lied to your face. Hall of Famer? And Al C. Cord was too. Right beside each other. I lied to your face twice. Steve Larmer? Just read the roster. Larms? Grandpa? No Larms. No no alarms no alarms okay maybe a year

after maybe a year after um yeah sorry about that boys why is pontus still in the least lineup over mcmahon and robertson he just doesn't have it so far pontus took a penalty last night at a time that was super dumb and it should have happened earlier in the shift where he got away with one. He's hauling a guy down from behind instead of skating and getting ahead of the guy. And then he still took the penalty. That to me was like, I actually, I may have said at the time, like, they may just send him down right now. Yeah. Or he didn't go after Brad Marchand, sent him down.

So far as you're concerned with it. Didn't go after Marchand. That's all the topic is right now. Can I tell you how much I loved seeing William Nylander grab a man by the face and throw him to the ice? Did that happen? Yeah, in overtime against Patrick. Oh, these guys are best buddies. Why?

Why? They're not countrymen. Like, why are those guys best buddies? Hey, William, could you pick another guy to be best buddies with? I'm not going to pick on Sean McKenzie because he mentioned it in the telecast no no i'm not picking on sean mckenzie i'm picking on the fact that those guys are friends but yeah exactly that's bitter rivals but don't don't tell people people want to hear that they hate each other myself included i mean he's so mad tell us how great man don't tell us how great. Shut on, man. Don't tell us how great friends they are. It makes me not want to watch.

I know. It's like, oh, they're best buddies, are they? Great. I'll just K-Fab. Hey, how about the guys in your team? Not on the bitter rival. It drove me nuts. Anyways.

There's just too many. Did you get a text from the guy delivering your washer and dryer tomorrow? No. Yeah, I did, actually. I did. He's coming between 830 and 1230. Do a lap, Tom? Is your washer and dryer tomorrow? No. Yeah, I did, actually. I did. He's coming between 8.30 and 12.30. Do a lap, Tom? Is that washer and dryer?

No golf. No golf. No golf tomorrow. I have a tee time at 9.30 a.m. tomorrow at Bray Ben, which is a great course in Mississauga, but I can't go because the washer and dryer is coming. We play every year in April. At least you've got half a day.

Usually they say somewhere towards the latter part of the month. Between 7.30 a.m. and midnight. From the 15th to the 30th. Two years in a row we've played in April and now you're playing in November. I played today. I snuck out. It was really nice. It was

some solid vitamin D. That's what I told my wife. The sun's out. I have the opportunity to play at 2.30 tomorrow. I should tell my wife I'm low on vitamin D. That's what I told my wife. The sun's out. That's how you sold it? Yeah. I have the opportunity to play at 2.30 tomorrow. I should tell my wife I'm low on vitamin D. Tom Lysak? Tom Lysak.

Oh, Tom. You said Todd? I said Todd. Maybe I said Todd. Anyways, former Medicine Hat Tiger, who along with his linemate, Lanny McDonald, both have their numbers eight and nine retired in Medicine Hat.

So a call back to the retired jerseys. Let us know about the retired jerseys. Let us know about the retired jerseys in your junior barn. I love that. Well, the medicine hat Tigers jerseys are amongst my favorite. Those great logo, great colors. Absolutely love it. Clark Gillies in Regina, retired. I'm pretty sure it is. I would imagine. Okay.

Saturday night, guys. It's Friday. Let's just skip over to Saturday night. I need some predictions on hockey night in Canada here. So what do we have? Sabres are coming in and they're rounding into form a little bit. We got Ottawa. We got

Ottawa and LA. That happened yesterday. Oh, that's right. They almost came back but ran out of time. So what do we have Saturday? Buffalo and Toronto. Who do you like? I got the Leafs pulling it together. You said Buffalo on a back-to-back, right? Yep.

Coming in. I'll give it to the Leafs. Calgary at Seattle? Calgary. Time to get rolling. Calgary's going to start winning some hockey games. You're just picking all the Canadian teams? No, I'm doubling down on the Flames.

Stars, Canucks. Stars, Canucks. That's a good test. That's a great game. That's a great game. That's the late game on Hockey Night in Canada, baby. Let's go. Our thanks to Doug McClain in the first hour and head coach Rick Tockett on the national hour.

Great week, guys. Really enjoyed it. Get a good rest. We're right back at it on Monday on the Real Kipper and Bourne Show. Give us a rating and review if you can. Have a great weekend, everybody.