Real Kyper & Bourne - Vally's View: An Unlikeable Trend for (Canadian) Goalies

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

Former NHL goaltender and CEO of Clear Sight Analytics Steve Valiquette (5:35) joins Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne to look at some of the numbers that reveal how bad the start to the Nashville Predators' season is, why he expects major changes on their roster, how the New York Rangers turned around their defensive performance, why goaltenders' save percentages are trending downward, and how the Canadian goaltenders rank in the NHL ahead of the Winter Olympics. Then on Grill the Panel, Vally asks the guys who is the top clutch scorer, playmaker, and goaltender in the NHL today.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

freedom was never free it was paid with bravery and sacrifice on this remembrance day we welcome you in to real kipper and born national edition we're live on sports net 360 sports net 960 in calgary vancouver sports net plus spotify apple and youtube we are ubiquitous we're everywhere In a few minutes, we'll welcome in Steve Aliquette, who covers us well on Tuesdays. Analysts with the New York Rangers on MSG, CEO ClearSite Analytics. This hour of Real Kippermborn brought to you by Bet365. All right, I took in the Hockey Hall of Fame. Yeah, yeah, we haven't talked about that.

Watched a little Edmonton Oilers last night. I watched some of the speeches. I watched some Char and some Keith. How was that? Well, I'm in the, I'm in the cheap seats, right? Yeah. And it's loud in there. Oh, is it?

What's loud? Oh, the crowd. Yeah, have you ever done in Hockey Hall of Fame? I'm not sad there for the speeches. The ceremonies upstairs with really important people. They kept panning to the crowd, and I was like, give me a kippy face. And I had, like, my camera out ready to get a picture. And then really unimportant people are downstairs, you know, eating.

Yeah, eating the pigs in a blanket. They come around. Yeah. But we know everybody got, you know, had a great time and the speeches were great. And I will get through all of them over the next few days. I don't think that's true. Did my nose grow on that one? Jumbo.

Sorry. It's, sorry. Dumbull is crazy. I know. I felt bad for the commissioner. I mean, come on. Did a whoopsy. Sorry, Jumbo.

It's fine. It happens. I get called Jason three quarters of the time. I know it's not Dumbo. I'm not going to bury our good friend, Gary Batman, okay? Because he's a great friend or Justin, whatever you're making. He's come on the show. He's a wonderful friend of the show.

Yes. But it is the guy's Hall of Fame night. You call him Dumbo. It's a pretty, as fumbles go, it's a pretty big phone. Jerry Batman. Could have been, like, mistyped in the prompter. No. No, no.

Okay, all right. I'm trying to help out here. I'm trying to help out. Sorry. In the meantime, we just spent a Leaf Hour edition of our show almost calling tonight's game against the Boston Bruins for the Leafs a must win. We call it a Can't Lose at the end of the night. I can't lose.

It's not a must win, but it's a can't lose. What was last night for the Oilers? Can't lose. I think so, too. And they came really, really close to losing and regulation. Jake Wallman pass at 57 seconds left in the game was redirected. in the Columbus net. But David did everything he could.

Is that a hockey gods bounce? I mean, I don't know. They really deserve the hockey gods at this point. They've given 100 first overall picks. They have the best player in the world. Like, they don't deserve the hockey gods anymore. This is like stats you're going to hear from this moment on. It's like since the Walman play, it's going to be like the Oilers are 13 and 1 since

Walman, you know, shot one in the net with under a minute left. God, you're one an OT. You're so right. This is like the, oh, things started to go their way when? They do, I think, I saw it, I forget where I saw, maybe Oilers Nation or somewhere. I saw their headnote on an Eastern Road trip here now, the Oilers, and they've really struggled on the Eastern Road trip

in the last few years. Yeah. Where they've gone like one, five, and they went like one, four, and one last year. And like, there's been ones where they've really struggled. So having that big win at home kind of headnote the road with some momentum is good for them. But it's a tough trip. They've got to go to Florida.

They've got to go to Carolina. They've got to do all of them. So we'll see. shaved the beard, he scored two goals, that's all coming around. Who was the guy on the spinner? I just, I saw the high. Oh, Matt Pichuck. Oh, my God.

Buddy, he's six feet. He screwed himself in the ground six feet. He turned his ankles into powder. What are you supposed to do? That's one of the most devastating spin moves you could ever imagine. Well, not that. It's Michael Jordan. Yeah.

Yeah, you got putting a poster. I feel like the guy was going down before the spin. have happened. Maybe he just felt it happening and everything just imploded from his knees down. It really was like a Jamal Crawford crossover where the whole like bench goes, ah! I know, I know. That's the hockey's version

of being posterized. Tough. But good for the Oilers. It's nice that we can... Oh yeah, great. Maybe you can start winning some games so we can stop talking with your stupid slow starts and oh, are they going to overcome it? Oh, every year we've got to do this. Sick of it. It's not...

It's not McDavid and Drysidal spark the Oilers. to a much needed win it's McDavid you're right he just caught a shoe I don't think it was a spin he just fell I think he just fell well he fell after he knew he was in trouble he was doing seat cuts like it was house sleep on the way back you that guy you see McDavid coming at you a thousand miles an hour that's what it is it's intimidation that's what it is it wasn't a rut it was a rut in your head I think it might be time to go the beard back Connor yeah he's definitely beard back he's you I look like my mom without my beard

So the headline is It isn't McDavid and dry saddle It's McDavid and Frederick lead It sparked the Oilers All right, as promised on a Tuesday Let's welcome in Steve Aliquette Analyst with the Rangers, MSG, CEO ClearSite Analytics

See, that's what happens That is beautiful That's what happens when the Rangers Have a convincing win at Madison Square Garden I gotta get one of those in the Leafs Valley, how are you buddy on? Put a Ranger hoodie on Hey, easy night last night for you, eh?

Easy. Yeah, it was. You didn't have to question anybody. I'll tell you what. My one takeaway after that game was Nashville has to make immediate changes. They were ruby, red, rotten. It should be relegated. And you know what?

This would be a good move for Toronto. Start calling on Soros. Start calling on Soros. would be a good move for Toronto. What happened? You love Stolars? I love them. I love them at 40 games, not 60. Ooh. Wow.

Sammy over here is up in arms. What about Joseph Wall? You think it's inevitable that some of these signings that Barry Trots made are going to leave, including Stephen Stamcoast? Yeah, I think there's going to be a mass exodus that starts within a month. They're at the bottom of the bottom of every analytic that has any value that carries any water. You know, today I spent a lot of my day because you get into the 250 game mark, teams are asking, what are we failing at? Where are our problem areas?

And if you have too many of those markers, you don't make the playoffs. And there are eight of them that we use that last year, the 16 teams that qualified for the playoffs at most they had one where they were in the bottom five and if you have two or more you do not make the playoffs and Nashville has six what are some of them that stand out to you

of the six so rush defense is the biggest one I brought that up a lot here over the years you need to be in the top five to win a cup the last eight cup winners were rush defense defense, high danger against. They knew how to limit those the best.

You can survive without a power play in the playoffs, but you can't survive without a penalty kill. You can survive in the playoffs without a great offensive rush, but you can't survive a bad defensive rush against. And when you're looking at what teams are successful, you're really looking at offense that comes from unsettled areas, forecheck, giveaways, takeaways, because that's, when the big prime chances reveal themselves and of course possession possession time that comes

off of cycle or east to west in the ozone so there's eight markers there I could walk you guys through it further but it's more of a in-person exercise than a podcast but you know it does help to have these things to look at now because you can say to yourself all right is San Jose legit is Anaheim really legit or who's coming out in the east right now that should come in and I could you know I have this written down over here somewhere I had Pittsburgh coming out Philadelphia coming out I have well one more second I have Boston coming out I have Rangers actually getting in Washington and Florida in the East today.

And a lot of that is, you know, you're looking at the best team in the NHL guys. It's a pretty easy one right now. It's Colorado by a long shot. They're not just top five in all those markers. They're one or two. And the bad teams do reveal themselves. Like the worst offensive team is Seattle.

They're bottom in four of the key offensive categories that you need to make the playoffs. So kind of a fun exercise, but it did. show me last year that you know you can't survive with too many bottom five red cell markers that's what it shows up on my screen it's funny because as you said these are the teams that are you know could come in in the east you didn't say Toronto and Sam McKee went did you say Toronto just a big grown today Toronto's out Sammy I've got Toronto is a key marker here expected goals against five on five on the rush they're 28th. And the PK, high danger and expected against is 31st. So those are two very important markers defensively that they're really leaking. I mean, something like that. We'll use Toronto as an example, but the ability to change a system if you're a coach or, you know, squeeze more out of them, what are the odds 15, 20 games in that you can turn 28 into 15?

or 12 by the end of the year? Well, I could tell you that this year with the Rangers, this is the best defensive team. I've seen them ice in 10 years. And they were the worst version of themselves last year defensively. And you can do it. You can focus on it.

What I've noticed in the last 10 years that's been very wild is how before a team won, they failed miserably at rush defensive assignments against. And we saw it in consecutive Stanley Cups from Tampa Bay to Colorado to Vegas to Florida. They went from mid-teens to top five in rush against. Rush against is really important because it's so difficult for your goaltender. And there's an ability to lose the net. Most of those rush high danger chances are either

breakaways or odd man's. And that to me is the defining characteristic of a Stanley Cup winning team. It's a great team that gets through the regular season and then finally buys into defending off the rush against. Yeah, that's such a crucial

part. Bail out the goaltenders. Last night, Edmonton Oilers get a win in overtime. Stu Skinner made a big save in overtime off a rush and they went the other way and scored a goal. And my thought wasn't like hey stew skinner is going to figure this thing out it was boy they look good when they get a big save at a big time you know you mentioned uc sorrows do you expect that the oilers

will at some point make a change in their in their net i don't know if you guys saw connor ingram so far i think he's yeah he's an 848 safe percentage and he's allowed five goals or more in his last three including a poll so i don't think it's going well for him in the american league Okay. Yeah, I do see them doing something, Borny. You know, last night's game, I thought, was pretty wild and indicative of what we're seeing in the NHL with goal scoring. And I'll tell you, you guys, you watched the Columbus Blue Jackets. Last year they led the league in five-on-five scoring.

So when I was doing summer research projects, you know, I didn't love the fact that it wasn't the best example to show the client teams that I work with how to sort of. score at five on five. I want to see Colorado at the top of that list or Vegas or Winnipeg or Florida, of course. But it was Columbus. And last night, they did some wild things. The Fabro pass back door to Boone Jenner. He should have shot that puck. He was on top of Stu Skinner and 10 times out of 10 back in your daykeeper or your day morning. Just get it to the net. Get it to the net. Right? Like you're supposed to shoot that. There's like an agreement there between the goalie and the shooter. It's just you and I.

It's dishonest to pass that. Right? Don't pass that. And then there was another one too. There was Kent Johnson. He's coming into the slot. Should probably fire for a corner. He puts a 75% shot on the goalie's pad.

So pass off pad now is from the slot. It's not from outside the slots. That makes it harder. There was another one as well. I wrote it down the Marchenko. He's dead slot. and he passes to Fantilli. And it's like, Skinner didn't have much of a chance on those three goals.

So it sort of drove my interest this morning as I was going over that game and covering it for our company. That like the modern offense is just killing goalies right now, guys. Safe percentage, 896 this morning. And it's not really budging. Every night the goals are going in at a high rate and everybody's shooting less. The perimeter shots and the clear-sighted shots from outside the slot, the ones the goalies want, they're down 15%. The pass-off pads

and as well as the pass-off rebound, there was a really good one in the Toronto Carolina game when McMahon passed it back door to Tavaris. Like I was looking at those this morning, guys. Those are up 23% this year. Passing off a rebound. Like, Kipper, your ass would have been stapled to the bench if you passed off a rebound, wouldn't it?

Yeah, yeah. And it didn't work. Like, so I think it's hard. than ever guys and it's it's really showing itself through i don't even know how the goalies can answer back because there's it's indefensible to really defend off of a pass off of a rebound is is the trend valley of save percentage like going to continue to spiral here because it's it's it's now i think 890 or 895 actually looks okay now and A few years ago, I think everybody thought, no, you've got to be 9-10.

And it's just, to me, the numbers are going down. Yeah. And you know, why Kipper 2? Because they're just more high danger chances. There's more high-quality chances. And it's interesting, if you ever look at even a Stanley Cup final head-to-head, those matchups between, let's just say, the two best goalies in the world oftentimes, or a Eastern Conference final or a Western Conference final.

At the end of the series, the team that has more high-danger chances wins. like 10 times out of 10 when was the last time we've seen a goalie steal a series i can't remember when i cannot because goalies in the n hl no matter if you're a vezna trophy guy or if you are bottom bottom third you're in and around one goal every three high danger chances against the difference between a great goalie and a bottom feeder is the fact the great goalie never allows bad goals he doesn't allow the low danger goals he doesn't allow the low danger goals he is exceeding the mid-danger-save percentage, but his high-danger-save percentage

is always the same as everybody else because there's physical limitations and there's technical limitations to what goalies can do on high-danger scoring areas and chances like the ones I described. Okay, let me get this straight. Okay, so you're telling me now in today's game, the shooters do not want to waste a shot

that they don't believe that they can, can score because I'll tell you and we cover the leaves more than anybody there's some first periods Valley where I'm like it's 17 minutes in they got like three shots on goal and I'm like

are you kidding me three but if if they don't have that perfect opportunity you're telling me they're not getting it to the net they're not and I'm seeing it in our data every morning it's like I've said this once before

but I'll repeat it because it's worth repeating. There's a recipe to winning hockey, scoring chances-wise. Seven or more high danger while shooting 12 or fewer low danger. So 12 or fewer feelers. And last night in the Nashville Ranger game, again, it was under 10 low-danger shots. I'm looking at the scoreboard two, Kipper, and we're in the first period of what I thought was going to be a very intense start. and 10 minutes in, it's three shots each. And I'm like, well, okay, I mean,

but they just don't take any bad shots. And then I went to look at, so what are we going to fall out at the end of the year? We're going to be well over about 600 more high danger shots on goal at the end of the season if we keep at the pace that we're currently at in the NHL right now. Teams are looking for offense around the net where, again, a goalie sliding over.

and then having good posture and positioning on a rebound save, if the puck carrier looks up and sees a goalie and a butterfly, it's like a trigger to pass instead of pound it and try and get it through them. Yeah, it's fascinating how you're watching the offense change in the NHL. And for us who evaluate goaltenders, just being aware that things are different when you see a save percentage of 896, the guy's not some bum, you know, it's a different league. May I add one last thing, boy. Please do.

how frequently somebody is always on the weak side post now it's like every team sends somebody weak side post and that's why the matthews against Carolina goal the other day that sort of play exactly yeah exactly or again the Tavares one or yeah just pay attention to that you'll see it's like a beacon now and it's like there's like there yeah yeah that's tough because it kind of force limits goal is the ability to come out and challenge right if you have to honor that and be back big time you know before the season we talked about breakout candidates your three for three we have done

Anthony Stollars. Then we did Kevin Lankton this year you called Jet Grieves. Jack Grieves looks pretty darn good. We're talking about Canadian goaltenders who, you know, potential guys and right now it feels like the three guys are Bennington, Logan Thompson, and his number three

Jet Grieves. Oh my God. You're going to drop Jet Grieves for the Canadian Olympic team. Buddy, who else we got? I know. You know what? It's pretty wild. So, um, Do you want to know who is last right now in our goalie rankings? Bennington.

Jordan Bennington. And now there's 73 goalies this year that have played at least a game in the NHL in Bennington, 73, Montembow is 72, Linus Olmerk is Dr. Season 2 off. He's 71. Oh, my God. Cady Cremos 70 and Calvin Pickard, 69. So the top goalies in the NHL right now

are Connor Hellebuck and Spencer Knight. Both Americans. Number three is Logan Thompson. Logan Thompson is not going to be denied. Hey, did you guys pick up the night that Ovi got his 900th? Spencer Carberry goes in the locker room and he's giving it to everybody, the high fives and the pucks and everything. And he turns around and he says,

LT for Logan Thompson. and LT, you set the standard. He said, statement game, statement game, because he beat Bennington. Yeah. And LT was going like this. He was like, oh, no, no, no. Oh, really?

Yeah, he was putting his hand up to his throat. Like, cut it out, coach. Like, don't bring it up. Good catch. But that was, yeah, like, that's a thing, you know. And I'm telling you, Logan Thompson's going to want to, he's going to, I think he's going to steal this thing. Can Jordan Binnington lose his spot?

Like, is that possible? Connor McDavid cannot score another goal between now and the Olympics, and we know he's going. I mean, but I know Jordan's not Connor-like, but he was Connor like in the Four Nations. I know, I know. And, you know, like, I go back to when he won the cup in 19. And to be fair, St. Louis had the best defensive team in the league that year.

And it was sneaky. But those markers that I was measuring earlier this morning, go back to 19, and they had the top four in the most important four defensive metrics. So it wasn't like Jordan Bennington wanted on his own back, but look, he went in there into a difficult situation and played terrific hockey. He played amazing at the Four Nations. So I know it's going to be pretty hard to say, well, we're going to look outside of Jordan Bennington. But how bad can bad be before you're worried that it doesn't show up and reveal itself as good play the way that he can.

You know, I know you can sometimes find it, and then a two-week stretch can eliminate everything that happened earlier, but he hasn't shown any signs yet. How bad was he before the last tournament valley? Like, was he close to this bad going into the Four Nations? No, because Sammy, the previous five years, he was a top three goalie in our goalie metrics, every one of them. Okay, then.

All righty. Okay. You're watching and listening to Steve Aliquette analyst for the New York Rangers on MSG and CEO ClearSite Analytics. You mentioned Spencer Knight. So much to talk about Chicago right now and Connor Bedard going to another level. But, you know, it wasn't that long ago. Spencer Knight took a pause during his career, Valley, and spent some time in the NHL assistance program. At the time, I don't even think he made it public.

He kind of just disappeared for a couple of weeks before anybody really knew. and then much later revealed the issues that he had OCD, right? And like the odds of him to be able to come back and not only reset his career, but now show everybody's bona fide number one type of guy, at least to start the quarter of the season here. What do you see out of Spencer Knight in Chicago? Well, so I've been on the ice with a number of times, and I've known him since he was a kid.

He's from the area. And he is one of those goalies that's a physical specimen. He hovers over the ice. And he has been dominating the game since he was eight years old. And it's no surprise. He has all the skills, the resources, the abilities. He's got the full package of talent.

You know, if you're going through any athletes bag of what does it take to be successful, he just didn't have the mental peace when he finally got to the NHL and it wasn't because he wasn't into it it was because he cared too much and he was very vocal and open and honest there was a really good article that was written

by the hockey news when he came out and he was very public about it because he wanted to get his story out there to help others and his story was that he was OCD he was battling OCD and it got so intense with the pressure of the game, that he was washing his hands hundreds of times a day,

and he didn't know why. And it took away from his time sleeping, pre-game naps. He wasn't getting through a full night's sleep, so he was suffering from sleep deprivation on top of the OCD, and he needed help. And he came out and he got it. And look, I couldn't be more proud of the guy. He's such a talent. He deserves to be one of the top goalies in the NHL.

He won for the United States at World Juniors. I'm sure he's on the radar for Team USA because if it isn't for this one, it's the next one. He's right there. But, you know, a change of scenery was best for him, and he chose to talk about what his struggles were. And, you know, I think that right now, the way that he's playing Kipper, and by the way, the markers, like the eight markers, Chicago's in right now. Chicago's in. Wow, really? I know.

And I'm watching Bedard right now. He's performing at a star level. His one-timer, that's what I really realize in today's game, too, guys, is if your stars don't have one-timers, they're limited. Whether they're getting the pass or they just don't have a one-timer. And right now on the Rangers, the top three or four players, don't really have one-timers. and it specifically hurts on the power play because you can't have that dot one-timer,

but you put Bedard on a one-timer dot right now, the left dot. I mean, he is firing it. And you know what? It brings me back, guys, when 2009 Barry Melrose, it was the time where he was coaching the Tampa Bay Lightning, and we were in Prague that year. Tampa Bay was on the ice an hour before us every day,

and it was always St. Louis, practicing their one-timer from the dot. And this was before that shot really became popular. And then I remember later on in the season seeing Stamcoast again, just taking dot one-timer feeds every morning skate for 40, 50 minutes as I'm sitting up in the stands watching them practice. And, you know, it revealed itself when he scored 67, you know. And you see Bedard shoot that.

It reminds me of watching Steve Stamcoast when he was younger in 09, 10, when he was really developing his one-timer, he looks like he's on that level right now the way that he's shooting the puck. Great stuff, pal, as always. You got one more before you goes into our little game. This is not a little game, Kippor. This is a big game.

This is. Yeah, Mr. Morton called himself today to say he's thinking about the deal. Do you have anything more, boys, or do you want me to get going? Do you want me to heat up the panel? I think we're ready for the heat. I mean, otherwise, I was just going to say,

hey, Dan Vladar is pretty good, but that's pretty much the only observation I had to make. Let's grill the pal. All right. All right, boys. We're going to talk clutch today. We're talking clutch. How do you measure clutch?

It is based on score effects. So when the game is tied or your team is up by one or down by one, the game is hanging in the balance. those are the moments the matter we're going to focus on that so who is the clutch score

in the NHL this year who has the most goals when your team is up by one tied or down by one here are the names Nathan McKinnon Bo Horvatt Sidney Crosby Cole Cofield

geez it sure feels Cole Cole I got Cole I just want to throw a curveball I agree with you guys it feels like him I'm going to say Bo Horvett. It is Cole Coffield. He has 12. Hey, how about this?

All 12 of his goals. In overtime. No, clutch. Well, yeah, that's like, which is clutch. Right on. Right on, right on, right on. Hey, speaking of goal scoring in the NHL, though, how about Bo Horvats' goal against the Rangers on Saturday?

Yeah. That's another one. Jonathan Drouan was on a partial breakaway, and he passed through the Rangers D back towards his own. for a one-timer shelf. I'm sitting there going like, how is that even possible? I've never even seen that.

I've never seen that before. All right. Clutch playmaker. Okay? Same idea. Up by one, tied or down by one. Who is the best clutch playmaker in the NHL? Is it Nick Suzuki,

Yvgeny Malcon, Sebastian Ajo, or Troy Terry? I can't believe McKinna's not in this one. I'm going to take this opportunity to say, Suzuki. Suzuki. So right, fellas, these are primary assists. Yeah.

Primary assists in these game states. Actually, no. Okay. Name, names, one more time. Suzuki, Malkin, Aho, Troy Terry. Okay, I'm going to go off the board and go Malkin. Terry's tempting, but I'm sticking Suzuki, too. Troy Terry.

Ah. I feel like. Ten. 10 of his 14 assists have been primary. clutch it's a good part of why everything's going rosy and anahe very rosy right so clutch goalies now and this is going to play into the olympic conversation clutch goalies who has the best expected goals so who has helped their team save the most goals in those moments is it spencer night Thatcher Demko

Conner Hellebuck or Logan Thompson I'm saying Logan Thompson Good Canadian boy I'm going I'm going Do you remember the names? Yeah

Knight Delac demco No I'll go night I'll go Spencer night I think it's probably I'm going to say Hallibuck He's Give me

Hellibuck. Spencer Knight. I pre-called a couple that I didn't have the balls to take. That's a big one, Kipper. You guys were tied coming into this show. Oh, yeah. I got scum. But how about that, though?

The three names at the top of clutch are all U.S. goalies. Yeah. Knight, Hellebuck, Demco. Perfect. I know. We're in one. They should start Hellebuck for sure, though. Start him in the big games.

We got a grand total? Well, our total. going to get it next week. No, I got it. I got it. I got it. Where is it? I think I'm bringing up the weird.

Oh, boy, oh, boy. I'm sorry, boys. Lost it. I got papers on top of papers. You're all good, buddy. Yeah, I apologize. That's okay. We're going to get in next week.

If we were doing a tip, can I give you one tip, McKee, before you do the bet 365? Yeah. All right. So this happens every year. When somebody gets really high in their expected goals as a minus, they score. Lafranier was leading a league

with the worst finishing ability and he scored twice in the last three games so he's no longer the top guy the top guy now is Jason Robertson so give me a Jason Robertson anytime goal this guy's guy's key Valley we'll just come here and just host the damn show

yeah just so much better send Sam home although if we could just add him as a fourth you'd be great on our hockey team next year get him in net although I don't know if you can beat our goaltender Yeah, we had a good tournament, so never mind. You guys had a good goalie?

Oh, yeah. She was the reason we won. Valley, great stuff is always, my friend. Thanks for doing this. Go J's go. All right. Thank you very much. Steve Aliquette, CEO, ClearSight Analytics,

and of course covers the New York Rangers for MSG. Love seeing a team take a chance on a guy and having to come through like Spencer Knight. That's really cool. Go ahead. Yeah. I guess it's a chance, but. oh it's a chance

well it's a chance because of his off-ice issues right and what he's battled but as far as a top prospect and sure bet talent he was as good as anybody he was a highly rated goalie

how about that asker of in san Jose I mean this guy ever give him time though give him time he's just in the minors and he's just these kids are young these goalies are young it's not What is Kelly Rudy constantly say, 27, 26, 28 years old before they really come into their own?

Yeah. So, like, Spencer Knight is top talent. And say what you will about the situation in Vegas with Carter Hart. Yeah. That guy was a top goalie before in Philly. Yep. And he's a talent too. Mm-hmm.

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Just did my job for me on this one But I'm taking a Jason Roberts At any time goal tonight Absolutely Plus 190 against the Ottawa senators I mean you gotta love your chances With Linus Olmark and net Yeah I think he's leading the league

And high danger scoring chances And he's not scoring so it's... And I think I put it in the lineup Almark has given up 43 goals and 13 games so far this year. Some work to do. I think the coach recently said that he believes in him still. It's coming around.

They have no choice. I would hope so. I mean, what's he making $8.5 million. Looking at some other games tonight, a couple good ones. Kings in L.A. No, Kings in L.A. L.A. Kings are in Montreal.

To take on the habs. And they're underdogs. The Kings are not underdogs. Montreal is an underdog. They are. They're plus 100 tonight. LA Kings are minus 120. Leafs in Boston.

Now, this is a spot where I don't understand the line. The Boston ruins are plus 115 tonight. Toronto May Police minus 135 favorites in Boston. They are, Bet 365 is putting our can't lose situation into this here where the least need to win this game. So minus 135 for the least is a pretty crazy number to me, but maybe they'll get this one tonight.

And I think the best game of the night, the Anaheim Ducks in Colorado to take on the avalanche. Ducks have had an awesome start of the year. They are still huge underdogs in this game tonight. Plus 210, the Colorado Avalanche minus 260. So you can do worse than the Anaheim Ducks at plus 210. But like Valley said in that segment there, the Colorado Avalanche are far and away the best team in the league.

They are mobbing right now. Anyways, that was game time presented by Bet365. Visit the athlete's odds and see why it's never ordinary at Bet, 365, 19 plus Ontario only, please play it responsibly. Okay, let's take a quick break. When we return, little Brad Marchand, still showing that he's got a mean set of

hands last night in Vegas. Did you see that goal? Yes. Wow. Why? Absolutely. And save it, Sammy. Sorry. And a little bit more on the Preds, including Ryan O'Reilly who regrets his post-game comments the other day.

We'll get into that and why he regrets. When we were turn to real Kipper and Born. Hey, it's Alish Forafar. And I'm Justin Cuthbert. Join us as we discuss the most important sports stories of the day and tee up the biggest games of the night. It's the fan free game.

6 p.m. weekdays on Sportsnet, Sportsnet 590, the fan, and wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the program. As a reminder, this hour of Real Kipprin-Born, brought to you by Bet365. Nick Kippreles, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee. Just before the break, we had Steve Aliquette on. I thought he was awesome as usual.

We're lucky to have him. Really, really lucky. And even the insights and the stories, and if you didn't catch the segment, please download it on Apple or find us on YouTube or Spotify because he told this great story about, Logan Thompson going up against Binnington and then the video was showing the response of his coach Spencer acknowledging that there was a bit of a matchup between Logan and

Binnington for a team Canada spot and man I thought that was really cool really cool even And you mentioned on the break, when I mentioned to you, you liked Logan's response. Well, yeah. It's like this guy is clearly aware of what's going on. And this whole, he was shunned from the Four Nations face off. He wants to beat Bennington. I think that's awesome. Get yourself on the team.

Yeah. And don't draw any attention to it. Right. I don't need it. Just let my play do the talking. Right. Well, I think he's, you can't deny him now. I mean, unless things go to hell in a handbasket over the next six weeks.

There's been some decision-making with team selections over the years of Hockey Canada that's been pretty baffling. And if they really don't, if they don't have a good relationship with the entire coaching staff, I could picture it. Yeah, but it's one of those things where those guys would be putting personal relationships ahead of national, whatever you want to call it. But if they don't believe in them, they don't believe in them. Well, sure. And they're about to be on the line for future use. You get no goaltending in the Olympics and the guys a 9-10 sitting right there for you. And we all had these same conversations leading into the Four Nations face-off.

where Jordan Bennington was shaky in some of the early season, early tournament games and then dialed it in in the big games. But he's last in the NFL statistically. I know, I'm just saying. Top three. This is not like, oh, it's like a preference thing. I'm not going to be surprised. I'm not going to be surprised.

The swing is monstrous. Also, right at the beginning of the segment we talked about with Valley at Nashville and what's going on there. Did you want to play this? You know. This happened on Friday when we were off. Yeah, it's kind of old news, but... We've had a lot of post-game comment,

conversations already this early in the season, predominantly around goalies. But I kind of like this one. You know, sometimes I sit there and go, just be quiet, just don't give them anything and, you know, me. But I kind of like this out of Ryan O'Reilly. All right, but play it, Derek. You can't make a six-foot pass to save my life,

so I was not going to have much success of, you know, I'm playing pathetic like that, so it's, I don't know the answer. I've had one good year in my career, and I don't have any answers, that's for sure. Okay, that's good. You guys, you talked about it this morning. You guys spend a lot of time. I'm sorry, you like goalie Jack Campbell? Or player Jack Campbell?

Yeah, that's right, player Jack Campbell, that I'm trying to say. Had one good year in my career, buddy? Pathetic? Listen, I don't look at what he said as much as, is how he said it, why he said it. And that's, you guys are always telling me you want more out of players. You want being, no, no, no, hold on, hold on. Because it's not, I'm not focused on the words that he said.

I don't like the way he talked about himself. And I don't suggest to any player that go up there. But that's as raw as it gets for a player. He is sharing with you his inside voice and his feelings. Yeah. And, oh, I talk to myself like that most of the time. We all do. We all do.

And I'm like, it's as honest as he really feels. And that's really rare. And I know, you know, I'm reading this, Greg Wojniewski. Greg Wichinsky from ESPN. And he talks about how he regrets. He refers to himself as a crybaby. So now he's doubling down on it. He's like, I had one good year in my career.

I'm a cry. baby like oh my good a great follow of this guy sorry which which year was that no wonder he didn't start stay in trauma we know holy smokes you can have that weak moment and you can share your inside voice but we know and he knows he's a hell of a hockey player he's been a hell of a hockey player he can still be a very good hockey player he's a con smith winner he's a stanley cup champion he's not a cry baby and he's not he doesn't suck so good enough so It's fine if he had, it's fine he had a weak moment. It's okay.

You know why it's okay? Because he didn't talk about his teammates. He didn't prefer anyone else. He just, he just focused on himself. Yeah. And that's okay. Well, first off, good job by Greg Wischinski. They'd follow up on that.

It was really, really great to see how he felt about it the next day. Yeah. You know, and Kip, I agree he didn't carve anyone but himself. But there's a level of like, I don't know. It's like self-serving deprecation. Right, where it's like, it's only like you want, it's fishing, you know? It's like, you guys tell me I'm pretty great, right?

Like, you know, it's like. How long has he been in the league? Long time. 15 years, I don't know. Forever. I would imagine like 40,000 or eight was his first year maybe. How many times have we ever heard him like this? You're right.

Never. How many times will we? No, that's not true. Last year he had a weird one too. Did he? Yes. I can't remember exactly what he was. This, yes, it was pretty bad.

No, the last one he had, I mean, two in 15 years. But I remember him. We were not going to remember him like this. Sam and I are both like, now we will because you said that. But, yeah. I'll remember him Tapping went home to tie the game against Tampa later. Or lifting the Stanley Cup.

Yeah. But he's had a tremendous career. It does speak to how much. they feel right now and you can put stamp coasts in there you can put marcia so in there ryan o'reilly like these guys are still paid a heck of a lot of money and not just valley earlier on our show but many people sitting there going nashville is pathetic right now old guys have trouble later in their careers driving the bus like possession wise and all that like you can still finish and you can make the right plays and all that but those older players not getting

the job done. We done on O'Reilly? Yeah, I said what I needed to say, I guess. I like Ryan O'Reilly. I like him too. I wish he was a leaf. I also like Ryan O'Reilly. He was great on the lease. Matt Barsall scored in overtime.

I saw it. Last night. Nice finish. No team came out of consideration for him, eh? He used to be a guy that was like a lot. I'm not sure if he makes the bus. Yeah. So he had... There's a schedule, you know. Well, there is a schedule. I don't know what

happen he missed it one day during the olympics so he dial scored with under three minutes to go they got scored on with like four seconds left uh did you happen to see the overtime winner did you watch yeah did you see jesper bratt on the back check coming back through the neutral zone maybe mix in a stride i mean the complete matador you know what's the red whatever the heck that thing is i think there's just an acceptance now in overtime that i it's okay we're going to give up a breakway if you score you score if you don't you it's just the worst it's just the worst Yeah. I know, yeah.

But there just seems to be like, even if I stopped trying, it's okay. I'm curious to see if there's a follow-up to Brats play there because it was complete lack of effort. Anyway, great play. Sure, Sheldon wouldn't love that one. Well, that's kind of what my thought is like, I can't see him going to the room and him going, ah, get him next time, kid. That was pretty bad.

But the Islanders are kind of sneaky guys. And another overtime game. Hanging around. Right? Yeah. How many have we had? Like 30% of games in the league. Way too many.

It's just a three-on-three league now. It is. Islanders are 8, 6, and 2, 1 point better than the least right now. So I mentioned the Olympic thing there. I saw Pierre LeBron put out an article today that the NHL is going to inspect the Olympic hockey arena next week. Elliot has a follow-up in that sportsnet do. Okay, perfect.

About what? About just them going to... Will there be ice in Milan? And I just, I saw the picture that was like used in the article and I just hope it's old. Because it's like an overview of like it has no roof. That's what I hope is a whole pick. Like, can they not throw bodies in this?

Like I said, send over our finest gourds and steves and they'll get it figured out. Just send them over. You see a whole bunch of Silvio's having siestas and drinking cappuccinos. Send over some flannel. Get the boys over there, some Tim's cops, some flannels.

What is going on? Your finest curling cap. Throw bodies at this thing. You've got to get it going here. get the hammers going. Oh, my God. Bradmore-Shan going to be there? Yeah, I hope so. Yeah, 100% he is.

Oh, my God. What a season he's having. Yeah, six goals in the last five games. Kind of single-handedly providing the offense, well, uh... This total... But he's done that a million times. And nothing I'm not supposed to do it when you're closing in on 40. I was actually thinking the other day, I was like, was there ever a debate if he'd ever

be in the Hall of Fame or not? Can I ask you a question? Of course he is. Like, you think... Who was at number six on Vegas? Don't be theater, don't be theater, don't be theater. You think you're going to go, he's going to go into the corner there? White, White, Cloud?

No, I don't think so. He's like, I'm going to guard the outside of the net. He's like, this guy who's done this filthy toe drag a hundred times in his career. Nasty one. Nasty one. Love a back angle. Rangers, back on it a little bit. Interesting to hear the Valley say that they're so good defensively.

Yeah. You know, like, that was a huge complaint with them last year. and they brought in Sullivan who is the team he's I think he's the head coach team America right he's one of the best coaches in the league yeah and they're kind of dialing it in if they figure it out offensively they could be a real problem his underlying number or their underlying numbers

are very good no doubt about that Chicago being in was my biggest shock of all the Valley comments yeah a few reports I think Drager and a couple others talking about Murray Edwards Calgary's owner saying not interested in

trading cadry. But why? Why not? Because they like tickets? I don't know. Kaching, Kachian. I don't get. I don't get it.

Who's buying tickets? And he's your hottest commodity. They probably love them. Well, I'm sure they love them, but other teams would love them too. And then you can get guys you'll love for the next 10 years. 15. Yeah. I just, I don't get what the upside is in saying we're not interested in trading for them.

you're trying to drive up the price. Also, why is Murray Edwards weighing in on potential trades? Because he wants to drive up the trade that he wants to make. Okay, if that's the case that I'm in. And what's Craig Conroy do? Just his paperwork? Fine. Do you go make the trade then?

Yeah. No, that is fascinating to hear that. They are currently last in the NHL and the front runner for Gavin McKenna and some of the underlying number stuff. has them worse than last. That's... Worst and last. I mean, hey, Chelle, you get relegating.

Yeah, you know what I mean. That. All right. What do we got? How many games? Ten. Ten games on tap. Wow, is that a busy night?

Pick your game. Enjoy it. And we're right back here tomorrow on Real Kipper and Bourner. Our thanks to Billy Jaffe in the first hour. And then, of course, Steve Valliquette. Are you on tonight? You're going to... No, tomorrow.

And then we're together. Thursday so not tonight all right catch your breath everybody for the next few hours