Real Kyper & Bourne - Vally's View: First Round Goaltending Reflections

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

New York Rangers analyst and CEO of Clear Sight Analytics, Steve Valiquette (2:47), joins Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne for his weekly appearance. Vally weighs in on what's at the top of the Leafs' offseason to-do list after hiring John Chayka and Mats Sundin, who the Canucks should pick first overall if they win tonight's lottery, Andrei Vasilevskiy's comments on the Lightning's puck luck, what went wrong for the Stars in Round One, and what to expect from a Jakub Dobeš/Alex Lyon goalie matchup in Round Two. Later, Nick, Justin, and Sam McKee react to a development for the Leafs in the lottery, Julien BriseBois reaffirming the Bolts' commitment to Jon Cooper, a missed icing call before the Golden Knights' game-winner, and Victor Hedman announcing that his absence was due to mental health. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

All right, let's kick it up a notch. It's the national hour of the Real Kipper and Born show. We are live on Sportsnet. Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver, 960 in Calgary, and streaming always on Sportsnet. Plus, also available if you can't catch us live, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Sammy's fixed his mic from the first hour,

just in time to do the walk of shame. It's been a day. It's been a day. But that's okay. It's, it's, on the way up. We got Valley coming on.

Montreal. Who else? We could have gone. We could have gone to Vancouver Canucks, Sammy, as they have the best chance to pick first overall in the draft lottery tonight, coast to coast on Sportsnet,

7 p.m. Eastern. Here's, is there a way that it can work that Winnipeg can get number one overall and then have it be Vancouver, Calgary and keep Toronto and five somehow gets four Canadian teams. Feels impossible.

I don't know, listen, I'm no math lead here, but it feels like that's like that. Okay, but at least we could have three Canadian teams in there. Let's run a quick one here. I haven't done one in about a week and a half. Draft lottery sim incoming? Vancouver picks first overall. Love it.

Chicago picks second overall. Okay. The New York Rangers pick third overall. Calgary. Columbus jumps 10 spots to pick fourth, Calgary, fifth, and Toronto, six. This hour of Real Kipprenborn, born, brought to by Beth 365.

In a few minutes, we'll welcome in Steve Aliquette, analyst with the New York Rangers, MSG, clear site analytics, plenty to get into. I think the odds now for Vancouver are 25.5. Now, they have. If I told you, you're going to jump out of an airplane and you've got a 25.5 chance of the parachute opening, you go, I'm not jumping out.

I think that's a little bit of a stretch. I'm just. You know what, though, if there's a 25% chance that it's going to rain, it's going to drizzle. I'm just saying 25.5 kind of sucks. Totally sucks. But it's supposed to. Leaves one less than that. You've sucked all season long.

You finish and dead last. You've paid the price. The fiddler's all done. And you only have a 25.5 chance of being first overall pick. Hey, I mean, yeah, you're not supposed to. But if you fall a couple spots, you're at worst third. You know, we got a 100% chance that our next guest is like first overall pick for us on a Tuesday. So welcome in, Steve Alicat.

But he's Eighth rounder boys Eighth rounder Nice Knicks hat It went as high as eight To win last night Yeah it did it was when there was an eighth round I was the 21st goalie taken

And my sister was asleep And I remember at one point in the seventh round She leaned on me and said Are you going to get drafted yet? Wasn't it for a while that baseball had no limit on drafts You could just just draft 22nd round Yeah. Tram any.

The league went up. I think the league once got to like 12 or 13. I'm trying to. Our own Kevin Pilar, who does work for us here now at Sporescent, was a famous Toronto Blue Jay. It was a 32nd round pick. Yeah. And I'm trying to look up when like my dad and Clark Gillies were drafted by the Astros.

But I'm pretty sure it was like they were just claiming anyone over six three. No, no, no. Like, I don't know. It really got to the point where like people would go to the table. tables and beg, beg, he's my nephew. Please, please take them. Meanwhile, it limits you. You can only go to one organization.

If you're good, might as well have them all open to you. Valley, in terms of, you know, what's been happening up here, major change in Toronto with the new management team led by John Chica and Matt Sundin. From your perspective, from your angle with your, your clear. site analytics. Where is the first place that they should be focusing on, you know, when it comes to the needs, I guess? I look back to 2003 when Vegas won their Stanley Cup.

And I remember looking at the depth at which they played at in that postseason. Pretty remarkable. I still have this note. Line number one scored 18 goals. Their second line scored 16. Their third line scored 16. team goals. Their fourth line scored eight goals. Their defense scored eight. And you look at how they've been built through trades. And they trade their picks, but they certainly select well, draft well,

and trade those draft picks as well. Okay. So look at modern day Toronto right now. Any list that you can find online. And oftentimes I talk to NHL teams and they'll tell me that they do an audit on everybody's prospects, of course. You guys know that. Well, their bottom third rate now as far as prospects on everybody's list, public and private. So, you know, they're in a position because they've made the playoffs, nine consecutive years, they miss this year, they're trying to retool, but the cupboards are bare. The best thing that I think John Chica can do right now just for public perception and just to get a win right now is higher the best and brightest scale. out there. It's not that hard to do an audit on everybody's prospects, find out who has the best

ones, who's behind it, and where those players are coming from, and bring the best people in. We all know Toronto has the resources to do it. Bring the best and brightest scouts in, pay them well, get their boots on the ground. And yes, analytics plays a role kipper, but I think that the draft and develop allows you to be able to go forward in your organization faster than anything. I also believe the public perception needs to change quickly. And typically when anybody gets hired,

a third of the people love them, a third of the people don't like them, and a third are on the fence. And I think with an early win for Chica to do something like that, go out and get a big name as far as head of staff, that's a win for him. It's a win for the organization.

You know, you look at the teams who've drafted and just waited for it to turn around, like Chicago's been doing it. And It's like, all right, nothing's really happened. And, you know, Anaheim has had more success. I would say some of their draft picks have hit. But like you get Cutter Goce and all of a sudden it's like, okay, that trade seemed to work out. I guess just, you know, you look at the amount of trade teams that are having success in the playoffs right now.

I've made a ton of trades valley. Has it always been that way or is that a new thing? You know, it's neat that you say that because, you know, I saw this online a couple days ago. You may have seen the same graph. It was colored. Somebody online put it out there. I wish I could give them. Okay, well, there you go.

Because I saw the same one. Because I started taking some notes, and it's like, you look at Colorado, for instance. They've got their top five pick guys. They've got McKinnon, McCar, and Landiscag, but they've got 14 players built through their roster through trades. And then five more through free agency. And it's like all the top teams, I used to believe, and I'm sure you guys did too. The team and the core of the team has to be drafted and developed because when you wear the crest, It means more than the name on the back.

But like, that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. And I remember it changing in 23 when Vegas won, that changed everything for me. I didn't look at rosters the same way since then. And I thought it really mattered because I felt like hockey didn't become a business until I got traded. And then you felt a little differently about things as you age. But yeah, that's the way I feel too. And I'm surprised to see it this way nowadays. As far as Vancouver Canucks, let's just assume that they win first page.

overall and you're basically weak everywhere. Right? So you've got three stud defensemen. You got a winger in McKenna and a centerman in Stenberg. Yeah. You pick. Like just from a positional point of view, is there anything that lends from your information,

your stats to where the position you could most maximize a player? Is that even a question? Fair question? No, it is. It's a really good question because the impact, this is what I believe, guys, the core principle that I have is that in the NHL, over a seven-game series, if we're just talking about the playoffs here, it's about winning. To win, you have to have more quality scoring chances than your opponent.

Who has the biggest impact on that? It's a defenseman. defensemen can shut you down because of their minutes played and their impact to compete defensively to not allow high danger scoring chances against. In the first round, every team that had the advantage high danger won the series. Some of them were pretty wild. For instance, the most lopsided was the Vegas Utah series. The Vegas Golden Knights guys, they had 61 high danger scoring chances. in that first round series to 38 for Utah.

Really? Yeah. Most lopsided. The tightest one that is probably a surprise to most because it was a sweep was Colorado over Los Angeles. It was 2822. But most of the series that we went through were really, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, Montreal and Tampa, the difference was one goal between advancing and not.

Okay, give me the chances on that. Okay, so the high danger chances. After six games, it was 46 for Montreal, 46 for Tampa. What? Yes. Yes. Yeah, that's that's tight. That tracks. Right. And then we know what happened in game seven. So that was the only series that ended up in a loss of the high danger value where the other team won.

Everybody else had an advantage there. So to your point, Kipper, who do you want in your lineup that's going to have an impact in the postseason to shut it down? it's having a big time D. It's having a big time D that controls the play. I've always sweared that forwards are a dime a dozen compared to a good defense. Yeah, you know, Tampa Bay missed Victor Headman a great deal and we'll talk a little bit more in depth about his absence,

but like that was notable. I also want to stay on Tampa though. Do you see Vasilevsky's presser today where he was asking the hockey gods thing? I did. John Cooper said, you know, basically they outshot him by 1,000. And he's like, yeah, hockey gods were on our side. And Vasilevsky, like, rolled. his eyes and was like sick of hearing it too many years of the hockey gods thing it's a

competitive dude there i don't know these superstars feel a lot more comfortable speaking up these days don't they you know um there was his there was also ottingers the other day but i'll start with vasselowski because as soon as i saw that borne i was like that's just content for the show you know it's exactly what it is and you know here's the thing what we're seeing in this playoff guys is the broken play goals that are going in more frequently than ever before And because they're by design, you've probably seen some of Minnesota's goals, Faber off Hartman net front shooting from the angle. The other night we saw Quinn Hughes aiming for their skates,

the broken play goal that goes off the skates, same type of thing. Well, the Vasilevsky goal, which was the New Hook goal, the series clinching goal, goes off the backboards. Now, here's what I think is going on with Vaselowski in his comments. He's probably not happy with just residing to the first, that broken play goals are ending up in the back of the net and there's nothing that he can do about it because he's a responsible goal he always wants to stay in he doesn't want to get pulled now the best goaltender in the world vasilefsky over the last five years has now had a safe

percentage below 90% for the last four playoff years the broken play goals that are going in are going in at the highest rate that goal the problem with it for me is that yes you could just reside on, okay, it was a broken play. It went off the glass after he made a save. Or you could back it up. And for anybody looking at video on that one, you'll notice that on first touch before it goes D-to-D across to Hudson, he's already, Vasilevsky's already really wide,

and he's about a foot out in the white ice. So he's in no man's land to begin with. When the puck ends up on Hudson's stick, he's behind the play. When the puck gets delivered from 45 feet from Hudson, he goes down early, and it goes off as blind. and it goes up in the air behind him. How do I know that? Because I've made that mistake. When you punch a puck that's blocker's side up over your own head, it's because you went down

early. So now he's down early because he was wide and he was late and the puck hits the glass behind him. And then he watches it hit. The rule of thumb is when the puck hits end boards or behind you in the glass, you get moving back to post, then find it. It's the only time you get to post, then find it rather than find it, then move to post. So he's late there. And because he's late there, he doesn't get the benefit of the

bounce. So for him, it's not enough for a coach to say, bad bounce, we should have had him. Like, no, it's actually, I want to know. I crave knowing as a player, what happened? Pick it out for me. You're my goalie coach. You're my coach. You let me know that I didn't hold the standard there. I got behind the play. I was positionally off. I was late. and I had delay and, you know, it resulted in a goal. McKee told me, he said, I bet Valley will be critical of that one. It's like, yeah, I probably. It's never just pure luck.

It's not. It's not. It sometimes is. I shouldn't say that. There are cases like, guys, Ottinger's given up eight broken play goals, but like four of them were by design. Minnesota did a really good job. And a couple were bad luck.

But he was also not positionally as responsible as he could have been as well. And he also spoke on how how he wants it all, right? He wants to be the Stanley Cup. He wants to be USA's top goalie. He wants it all. And sometimes when you focus on all, you get none. Well, you know, it's, I'm looking at the games played here too. And he was in the 50s. He had 54 games. Vasilevsky played 58. There was once the belief that you can't win a Stanley Cup. up with a goalie that's played more than 60. We've only had two goalies since the modern era play more than 60 games and win a Stanley Cup. It was Jonathan Quick in 2012.

And in the 0809 season, Mark Andre Fleury played 62 games. But right now, guys, in the playoffs, we've got Walsstad, 35 games played. Alex Lyon, 36 games played. Frederick Anderson, 35, Wedgwood, 45, Dobish, 43. I mean, guys didn't play a lot of games. There's a lot of gas still left in the tank for these guys. And I wonder, what are we talking about? We're talking about goalies not staying positionally sound when the puck is moving around.

And the one issue that a lot of goalies are having a hard time with this year, guys, is that there's been more screened goalies off the passes when the puck is moving in the high ice. Guys are screening really well off the pass. Why? because they want goalies coming across late. So if you're tired and you're trying to fight through a screen to see it while you're tracking passes and you're getting behind, well then broken plays it up in the back of the net. And you know what, guys, this stood out to me.

It was series tied to two, Dallas, Minnesota, third period. I wonder if you guys saw this, 320 remaining in the game. Dallas scores at six on five, so they make it three, two. And then there is no celebration after that Jason Robertson goal. They still had three minutes and 30 seconds in and around to go in that game with a chance to tie it up. And Robertson, he doesn't even put his arms up barely. He puts them up casual. Wyatt Johnson, same thing.

Dushain, same thing. And they had the lamest looking celebration for a team that should have been clinging. Did you guys see that? No, that's an interesting takeaway because usually we're complaining about too much celebration on this show. show. I wanted to see a little. They didn't look like they believed. And, you know, that was only in game five. And I thought Dallas looked dead. Yeah. And game, for the rest of that game, they're too soft. For me, they're just overall, like, you know, forget to go about a couple of individuals. As a team, they just aren't even close to being gritty enough for me. And now they're going to lose

just not. I had a couple of goalie coaches reach out to me last week after our segment and say, you know what, you're right on Ottinger where he should be better. That's all. He should be better. You know, he's got the skills, guys. He's got the talent. I want to talk about Dobish and going against Vasilevsky. And, you know, it wasn't that long ago, Valley, where, if you can recall in early November,

where he had a little bit of a breakdown. After the New Jersey game. That was very strange. Very, very emotional. And in the back of my mind, I was always wondering, you know, throughout this series against Vasilesky, will we see some type of, you know, not break, but a little crack in the armor? And it never came. Never.

And I'm like, he's come a long way. Do you know what I think, Kipper? I think that character selects character. And that's a high character organization. And I feel like they knew this kid has that fire. And I've, of course, been thinking about this in the offseason a lot. And I could tell you guys that I was with the Edmonton Oilers in the 0304 season. And I saw it from Kevin Lowe, Craig McTavish, Charlie Huddy, Craig Simpson.

It's no reason or no surprise to me that we had Ethan Morrow, Steve Steyos, Jason Smith, Ryan Smith, Sean Horacoff. like just top of the earth character guys. And when they lost that Stanley Cup in 06, like I felt like it was my team. I was with the Rangers at the time, but that's how much I wanted them to win just to be right about hockey. And, you know, it's not something the coach draws up, guys.

This is what I remember about being there. I get called up. I'm 22 years old. I don't have a ride to Jasper Ave where the hotel is that I'm staying at. And Craig Simpson comes out. out of the arena and sees me there. You know, I'm about to try and get a cab.

He's like, Valley, where are you going? I'm like, you know, Simmer, I'm at Jasper Ave, you know. He's like, I know it's 30 minutes in the opposite direction for him. But Craig Simpson is like, Valley, get out of here, get in the truck, let's go, and he drives me, talks hockey with me the whole way. You know, from that point to the rest of my life, I root for Craig Simpson. I want to see good for him. I love seeing him on the broadcast.

I hear him on your show. he's a great man, but he comes from culture and character. And if you don't have it, I don't think that you can have the right recipe. And when you have guys like Craig Simpson or Matt T and these guys, what do you think you're going to get? And I think that's what every organization is reaching for. Marty St. Louis has provided that. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. You know, Marty, Dostal knows that his coach has his back. The GM has his back. the president has his back. That guy, did you see his, did you see his, Doebusch's post-game presser after he won the series? And you couldn't tell if you won or lost. He was like, and you know what I loved about him the most?

He reminded himself to be humble. I'm like, it blew me away that he's at the peak of his career and he wants to look in the camera in front of millions of people and he's telling you what he's thinking, be humble. And I thought, oh, my God, when at the moment where you didn't have to be, you're telling us that. And I just thought, oh, my God,

my heart just bled for this guy. I love that. That's why I'm all in on him too. He plays with an attitude, but he's humble. So then they'll trade Jacob Fowler is what you're saying? Well, that's another list that I have. I wouldn't say they're kidding Montreal. Yeah, I know.

and they've got depth. They're one of two, maybe four teams that have depth that I think that could help the Oilers. Yeah. Yeah, there you go, the Oilers trade targets. So they're going to go up that Montreal team against Buffalo, which this, I don't know that I think this is the most excited I've been about a playoff series in a long time.

This is fun to me. This is the one you want to see. I'm thrilled about this. Both teams love to skate, go. Montreal is so good round one. Buffalo, you know, where they've come from to be here. It's a great matchup. A lot hinges on goaltending is Buffalo's goaltending.

Going to be able to hang with how good Dobish is. You know what? What you just said, Keper, about Dobish is Alex Lyon. I've been in and around him in summer training a lot. And you know what he's like? He's playing in the NHL and he has no issue with a 16-year-old shooting on him in the summer. That says a lot to me about an athlete, especially a goalie, because they can make you look bad.

And they're going to tell your buddies about it. But he'll play shinny hockey in a small. rink in New Jersey, one that we're at oftentimes together. And I see him out there being a gamer, no different against a 16 or an 18 year old than he is against an NHL that he plays against every night. And he's always working on his game and he's got a very humble attitude. And he has a lot of fun with it. And I like being around him. I'm rooting for him. And I can see why he's had the type of success that you need to have when you're a guy that's got your backup against the wall. He has a bit of a chip on his shoulder.

But, you know, like he set a Sabres record this year with 10 straight wins. I mean, they had Dominic Hachick, you know. He gave one win shy of an NHL record 11 road wins. And he had a 75 positive game percentage this year during the regular season. And in the postseason, he's 100, which means he always gives you a chance to win. And that's all you want in the postseason from your goalie. So he's going to be bringing that. It's going to be a great series in that.

You guys have lined it up perfectly. Where did you have the Aves winning game one by field goal? I didn't have that. I didn't have that at all. And giving up a touchdown. I know. You know, there was a few weeks ago I told you guys about my last game in the NHL when Sidney just could have shot it anywhere like it was going in.

I felt like Walsdad was going through that too. Sometimes mentally you get there in a game where it's like, it doesn't matter what I do right now. I'm not making a save. And not to say they should have made the decision to take him out, but it's going to be interesting to see how he responds in this one tonight because that was the first game where he's really showed weakness. And he's had a terrific year.

But, you know, they also do have Philip Gustafsson there. And he's a star. Yeah, McGee. They're going to make a switch tonight. Yeah. They're going to make a switch tonight. Right. Yes.

Wow. Okay. I'm not against it. I'm not against it because, you know what you're going to get? what I said a few weeks ago, you're going to get a vet that comes in pissed off. Yeah. You know, he's,

and so you'll get his best, and take Walstead out of the net for a couple and rehabilitate him. He'll get back to square. So that's a smart play for them. One more? Yeah. Some Freddie Anderson love in Carolina for Sammy.

Yes. Yes. Are the stakes high enough yet, Sammy? Valley, nothing good happens to me. Like Martin is going to be cons, Freddie's second con smife. Like, the Bruins are about to get the six overall pick.

Like, I got to put up a Hads jersey in the studio. Like, I don't even know why I do this. We got to call an Uber for him. I don't want him driving home. No. Yeah.

So you know what? I thought this was interesting about the game. When you're watching these games right now, guys, just take a step back and maybe write it down. But did they elevate their grade A scoring chances? because you're giving it to the goalie if you don't elevate your grade A's. And that's what happened in game one. Philadelphia just didn't elevate their grade A's.

They had nine breakaways. Excuse me, Freddie's face nine breakaways so far this postseason. He's giving up zero goals. But Philadelphia had four breakaways in game number two. So connect me. I actually put that into your Twitter account because I wanted you guys to see. There you go. I wanted you guys to see how important it is to cross the slot line when you have a breakaway.

Okay, guys, when players do not cross, they are doing the goalie of favor. Look where Freddie is. His feet are under him. He has perfect posture. There is no threat to do anything. His gap is perfect. When Connectney, who happens to be a great breakaway guy, shoots this, he goes low blocker. Now, that's also the wrong idea because you're too far away.

He can't see anything from there. There's nothing there, Kipper. There's nothing. There's just nothing but Big Freddy. Yeah. So big error there because, number one, if you have access to that line there, cross it.

And if you have a lot of time and space, maybe not this sequence, cross it twice. Because then you're going to get a goalie on his ass going into the corner with his jockstrap flying. Like, it's that hard to make a save when guys cross twice. I've done a lot of research on breakaway, scoring and success rates, when you shoot from where Kinekney did and shoot early like that,

you have zero chance to score. When you get that far away, it's not a bad surprise shot, but it has to be a high one over the hands because you have vertical angle. If you get to the second hash mark, that's when it becomes a low glove or a low blocker, but not that distance away, and you've got to cross it. So on a deke, show it the entire way, not with stick handling with the puck in the middle of your body, but off to the side. lined up with the post and then make your move from there.

But you've got to show both Deke and shot. So Freddie, he gets off the hook a little bit. And in game number two, again, he had four breakaways face. He went four for four. The high danger chances in the game were nine, nine. Very even. But the high danger chances on Freddie, not elevated. Only three of them were elevated shots.

And to me, that's when a team looks tight. You've got to elevate your high danger scoring. chances to make the goalie make the big save. And this is neat, quick note here. Coming into the Stanley Cup playoffs, the top two teams in the NHL that elevated their high danger scoring chances in the regular season, Colorado and Carolina, Colorado had 465 high danger scoring chances this regular season where they elevated the puck. Compare that to the Vancouver Canucks that had just 254.

It's a difference of 211 or 70 goals. And so when you want to talk about where goals come from and the importance of what I embrace, which is quality scoring chances, they're not quality enough unless you elevate them. Ivers Stanberg. They need someone. They need some help. Great stuff. My friend is always on our Tuesday segment of Deep in the Valley.

We've got a little grill marks. Are those AI-generated versions of us getting less like us? Kipper is morphing into an IT guy. I think he's pumping it through there twice a day. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen the latest one. It's incredible. You can never use real pictures, by the way.

You need to continue to use the weird AI-generated ones. Kimber looks like he's going to call an NCAA basketball game. Really? I don't even know where my grill marks went. Oh, no. Oh, no. Look at my ears. I don't have ears like that.

He lost grill marks. He gave me Chris King years. Uh-oh. Valley, I think Valley lost grill marks. Forgot your homework? The dog ate your homework. Are there standings in there? Yes.

Justin Bourne is in first with 49 points. 49. Sam McKee and Nick Kiprio's are T2 at 45. Just four points back. Wow. I mean, pretty close for age. You can go O-4 and still be in first place. I've been over for first place.

a lot of weeks here. You guys are making up ground. I think Valley fell into a valley. I think he actually just like knocked the power bar. I think he's gone. This is, I rigged this up to stay in the lead. I think, can we get an update from? There's a lot of paper.

Oh, but it's not, it's not here. Don't worry about it, Valley. Don't worry about it. We'll give you a break, bud. We'll have a double session next week. It's all good, bro. Can you just automatically give me like three points? Just, you know, because I'm the host.

The real host. Honestly, honestly, I need it way more. I need it bad. You're both pathetic. We're grovelling. You're both prosthetics. Oh, I felt.

No. All right. Are we still going to do it? Well, let's do it. We got time. All right. Let's do it. My apologies there, boys.

That's all right. The goalie with the highest safe percentage when the score is tied this postseason. Carter Hart, Frederick Andrews. or Jacob Dobish. Give me Dobe. I'm going Carter Hart. I'm going Doebish too. Dobish.

Yeah. That's a hard one for me. I needed sad. Six goals saved above expected when the score is tied. Wow. Positive game percentage. It's 100%.

They were tied the whole series. That's true. Yeah. He's been dominating when the game is tight. Yeah. Goally with the lowest save percentage when the score is tied. The goalie with the lowest

save percentage when the score is tied. Dostal, Walsdad, Alex Lyon. I feel like it's got to be Walsad after he gave up. A touchdown. Yeah. Or three, or three feel cold. God, I agree with Sammy. Wallstead. I'm on Walsed, too. Okay, I'll do the stall.

Do stall. No. Hippers. Make it up round. Two more goals than expected, which isn't a crazy number, but this is the playoffs and things are tight. This goalie is the only remaining goalie that hasn't allowed a power play goal against so far in the playoffs.

Frederick Anderson, Alex Lyon, or Vili Huso. Billy Huss? Maybe Vili Huso? How many games is that guy got? That's what I mean, not many. I think he played the second half. of one game, didn't he? Billy Huso. I'm in on a little answer, too.

Yeah, who so? Kippre, I laid this in for a man. It's Alex Lyon. I was trying to treat those guys. You made up ground. I should have gone against the grain. Yeah. All right, you guys.

All right, buddy. Valley, great stuff is always so appreciate your time on our show. How about a thumbs up? We'll get you a thumbs up for YouTube. How's that? Good, boys. Thanks, Ryan. Good stuff.

A bit of an off the rails Tuesday today. Yeah, a little bit. That's fair. We should get to break. Oh, no. No, we got to do so many things. All good. Don't worry about it.

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You have to go on there and bet a little bit on them losing their pick. It's just. It's free money or you have to be, you get a pick. I mean, I have, you just have to have some compensation for constant heartbreak. And listen, it's just. Have you been hurt in a sporting injury? Like, minus 140 is a decent enough number. Like, it's not like you might be eligible for that three, six, five compensation.

You don't have to lay a bunch of money. Like, it's not the worst number minus 140. You got to bet it. I'm sorry. Like, I don't want to. You need one of those Buffalo lawyers. if you've been hurt. Yeah, I have been hurt.

I haven't hurt a lot recently. But, yeah. To me, I was going to, prior to that bit of logic, I was going to say, what a crazy thing to bet on. Like, you have no, it's pure chance. You're playing roulette. Yeah. Which people play roulette.

So, you know, have at it. But I do think that for leave fans, it's a good number. And I have minus 140 that they're going to give it away. Are you going to bet it? Absolutely. The second this show ends, I will be betting. So it's fun down there from Bet365. So happiness hedge away.

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Find out if John Cooper is going to be available for Sammy's Maple Leafs anytime soon. Oh, sorry, bad tease. Victor Headman came out with a statement. What else we got, Sammy? Peter Dorian. Well, yeah. That's the name that it's out there, including

the non-icing. And Quenville's pissed at Anaheim. And I got to tell you, he's got to be. And an NHL suspension. Plenty of meat on the bone still on the real Kipper and Bourne show. Take a break and we'll be back. Everything you need to know about the Blue Jays,

Blair and Barker. Be sure to subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the program. Nick Caprio's Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee, as a reminder in a little over an hour, the NHL draft lottery show, coast to coast, on SportsNet starting 7 p.m. Yep. And there's a little noise out there.

I'm going to do accurate here. Oh, okay. All right. Time now for the Accura performance matchup, the 2026 Accura MDX, precisely premium. Looking at Minnesota, Colorado, Game 2 tonight. A lot of goals. A lot of goals. The Wild and Avalanche combined for 15 goals during game one.

The only series in the past 30 years to feature 20 or more goals for the first two games were the flames and Oilers in 2022. Fun. Oilers and Kings in 2024. And the Oilers and. And Jets Avalanche in 2024 round one. Penguins Flyers in 2012. You'll remember that one where there were some crooked numbers.

And the wings and coyotes in the 1994. eight conference finals. So, or the conference quarterfinal story. Who could forget the 1998 conference quarterfinals? I never forget it. The Kail McCar can become the sixth defenseman in Stanley Cup playoff history to record a four-game goal streak, joining Paul Coffey, Victor Headman, Ed Jovanoski, Mike Ramsey, and Bobby Orr. So pretty interesting company there.

Of note, Dustin Bufflin recorded a five-game goal streak during the 2010 post-10 post. season with the Blackhawks. But you'll remember he was a forward. Right. He wasn't a defensive at that. And the last thing I'll bring up here, Quinn Hughes can become the third defenseant in Stanley Cup playoff history to record three consecutive three-point games joining Paul Coffey and Dennis Popvin in 1981.

So a pretty rare company for him there. Very cool. So that's such a sick matchup of defenseman. And you're okay with a goaltending switch tonight? I've seen going in. I think so. You can't let it. No.

So you got to make that move. You claim to have a tandem. Got to put a guy in after he gives up eight. Yep. And that was the Accura Performance Matchup, the 2026 Accura MDX, precisely premium. Okay.

Okay. Have I looked perplexed enough? Draft lottery tonight. Okay. pertaining to the Toronto Maple Leafs because they have a situation where they don't have first round picks technically this year,

next year. which we're supposed to go to Boston and Philadelphia next year. But the curveball is it's top five protected, which they qualify. But there's a chance that they can miss it and fall in a place. But there is some noise out of Philadelphia. Yeah. So this is from Kevin Kurz, who covers them, I think, for the athletic, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, for the athletic.

This is, I'm just reading his tweet verbatim here. Okay. Reminder for tonight's draft lottery. According to multiple team sources, the Flyers believe that if Toronto ends up in the top five, they get that 2027 first rounder, originally property of the Maple Leafs, unprotected and not top 10 protected. They believe that Toronto essentially already traded its 2028 first round pick in the Brandon Carlo deal in that situation.

But they are also not completely sure if the league agrees with them. If Toronto ends up outside the top five tonight, it's moot point. Otherwise, expect the flyers to ask the league to clarify. And then Chris Johnson followed up by saying this, which is really lovely. Further to this, it sounds there's a good chance the NHL would rule in Philadelphia's favor in this scenario.

Meaning, if Toronto retains its 2026 first after tonight's lottery, expect the 2027 first to go to the Flyers and the 2028 first to go to the Bruins, both completely unprotected. Woof! Now, I've spent some time on this in the past. Okay. Go ahead, go ahead. No, no, I got nothing but smoke coming out of my ears.

Did I read that okay? You guys got it? Okay. As good as I can read. So my understanding of this was that if they were to keep their pick tonight, that they had been under the impression that they would be choosing either Boston or Philly, but they would be aware that it's unprotected. So they knew it was going to be unprotected, was my understanding anyway.

I think Kurs' point is that it's Philly. He's saying that they don't get to. choose us or them. The deal was 2027 for Philly. Right. But there was something about it getting bumped that maybe this is where there's a, so for like the Leafs, I don't think this is like a massive swing. It just means you got to give it the Philly unprotected.

And you got two unprotected. It's a swing for me. I thought if it was top 10 protected next year and they were the top 10, it would still keep it. That's a big swing for me. And your Leafs are making the playoffs next year. Well, if they get a top pick, that is supposed to be the, incentive to now we're, here we go.

I just love, the sports are fun, but I love how much a lottery ball tonight can dictate. So next year though, so they don't keep it tonight, they give it to Boston. The top 10, it will be top 10 protected for Philly next year.

Yes. Yeah. Correct. So then you could go, tank, we'll give them the 2028 one because, you know, that's it would be an option is all I'm saying not saying they'll do it just saying yeah what's like my good friend

Ned Flanders used to say they're in a dilly of a pickle here boys who's Ned you know a Simpsons guy yeah really that's my favorite show of all the time oh yeah number one okay I do sit beside Simpsons and Seinfeld guys and I'd say

they're maybe my two favorites so that's why we all work fellas there's some overlap I'm in the middle of the Venn diagram there I think along with a zillion reading I think reading that out loud. Made it hurt a bit. Buddy, it's not good.

Okay. If you give the seventh... If you get the seventh... If you get the sixth or seventh to the Bruins, like, is it better? I think this debate is very... It depends what direction you're going.

We can talk about tomorrow. Lightning, John Cooper, not going anywhere. Oh, yeah. It's going to be here for a while. This is a really long, detailed clip. So, Derek, if you'd like to play, I think I put it in there.

If you'd like to play Cooper of him talking. I was sorry, it's Breezoa getting asked about this on Cooper. Coup's still under term for next year. He's here for a while. Really long and detailed, yep. I mean, that's what you're supposed to say. I signed a huge contract boys too. Did he?

Yeah. Oh, he's got more money than God right now. When did he sign? God's very well off. Yeah. recently. Oh, like, really? A year and a half ago, maybe, a year,

year and a half ago? Probably two years. Four year type of thing. Yeah. Oh, he's all set. He's all set. It never really came up how long Chica and Matt's signed for. Did it?

Did anyone? I heard someone said long term. Sorry to put you on the spot. No, I don't know the length of contracts. I don't. All I know is that I'm not sure how much. how much leverage a guy like John Chico would have to begin with, right? You've been out for six years.

Premium job. You've never been mentioned in any other situation. And we know he's got a lot of Wendy's. Sold a lot of burgers over the years. I don't think money. It's not a money thing. And I don't suspect that, you know, it's in the ballpark of what they've been typically paying.

like some top end people. You think it or you don't think it is? I don't think he got top end money. I think I see it as like the president taking a salary of the United States of America is at 400,000 or something. Yeah, I don't think it would be that.

I don't know. No, no, I'm not saying about the dollar amount. I'm saying that it's like he is a very well-off man, John Chica. So to him, it's like, I don't, okay, sure, whatever the number is, let's just, I want the job. Yes. That's my feeling, too. Did you want to talk about the non-icing last night? Yeah.

Yeah, that's a legit brief. Sort of those ones, though, where it's like, no one disagrees. It was icing. They should have called it. Does anyone have another opinion on that? I think I have a clip from the coach of the Ducks, Quenville, on the non-icing call. It was pretty clear. You were pretty hot there on that tie-breaking cold.

I guess the icing being weighed up with. Can explain what to what happened in your van? Clearly. I disagreed with the call. And it was clearly, you know, icing. But their guy stopped skating, which really made me annoyed. Did you get that spray? Yeah.

Not by, no, no, I did not. In a game where the margins are, what they are, does the play like that get amplified? Yeah. We just scored. It was a huge, you know, it was a huge call, and it was an easy call. I think it gets a little amplified.

The linesman got fooled. By what? By what? By the initial three stride? Because he stopped skating. Who stopped skating? Ico, yeah. Because he knew it wasn't going to get there?

Because he was icing. Because he stopped skating because it was icing. It's weird. I just watched a lot of that. Watch a lot of that game. Ducks. Hold on. Hold on.

Should have waved this off. He's a mile behind the red line. And the ducks, he's the guy there. No, no, no, no. No. Lecombe is the guy on the pot. He kind of ran a pick

and then Ikel quit on it, right? I just, you're not going to see a lot of blown icings lead to a goal quicker. And LaColme made some comments about, you know, he just didn't. That's a split-second decision. But like, bang, bang. Like, it was in the back of your net immediately. That would make you so mad if you're on that bench, especially after they tied it. I got to tell you boys.

Cuenville is coming on glued. They did win the face off, though. Ducks look good. Ducks. Ducks. Yeah. The initial face off after that, they had possession. They won the face off.

Did they? Yeah, I'm not sure about the coverage there either. He's 65. Because they thought it was... It's true, because they thought it was icing. Yeah, fair enough. You know, it was control. But it is what it is.

It's a split-second decision. Made a bad one. It cost the ducks the game. And they were really good in that game. It's going to be a good series. Awful laundry. That's probably the worst jersey matchup of the history of the sport. I think that's the worst the sport can do.

Victor Edmund. Buffalo Montchelle. Ooh. Yes, Victor Headman. Mental help. Sorry, not to light on that, but I really am thrilled that notifications are back on. Yeah. I don't care that I'm hearing them on the show now.

I'm just thankful that, like, we're getting text messages back to my stuff's getting delivered to you. I want to wait for a little while. Yeah, we're glad. I'm just happy. All right. It feels like his wife had him on a one-month hiatus or something. I'm hearing Scarface come out of that phone again, windjohn. I got a.

Suspension's over. I got Pacino on my phone. I feel like we shouldn't talk about it. I didn't want to make light of the head. No, the headman thing, mental health, he stepped away at the end of the season there. He put a statement out, and it sounds like he's on the right path. Yeah. Good for him, man.

I mean, they missed him. He said he thought that kind of pointing out why he was away could help other people understand that it normalized it a little bit. I don't know what it was beyond that. It's just like, okay. Well, I think his teammates is a pretty understanding of a guy. who's been a warrior for a lot of years? Yeah. Should I run?

Let's close out the show with a couple of tank-a-thon sims here. I feel like we're so close. This could actually have an impact on it. We're only an hour away. You don't want to steal one of the real ones? All right, let's get her going. All right. From the universe.

Coming down in three, two, one. Are you going to do one? Yeah, sure. Oh, wow. So, Toronto does give away their sixth pick to the Boston Bruins. the Winnipeg Jets jump to number one overall the Rangers go to

Vancouver 3 Chicago 4 Calgary 5 The flames should have finished lower than 4 Like there's no reason for them to be not higher In this whole thing

Yeah it's just I would say The amount of times I run it And I don't get to Leaves I got Chicago Okay Which is good Because the Leifes

Lock in 5th Right they're one of four teams Did you say I forget what the teams are I just ran at Leaf 6 again. Rangers, Blues, Canucks, Chicago. I got Rangers. Kind of a nightmare

outcome is an I-Napague. Winnipeg first overall. Wow. All right, boys. That was... When the Ios wanted, they had Ken Morrow on the call listening in. Matt Sundeen's got to be the guy tonight. I got Nashville winning it in the Leaf Second. I'll take it, baby. Give me, just please.

Just give me a chance. Just give me a chance. Our thanks to Gord Stelich in our first hour and Steve Valiquette. It's a good segment. Always. Always. All right, boys.

Enjoy your lottery night, Sammy. Jays are on. Colorado and Minnie. It's a good night tonight. If the Leafs keep a top five pick, I promise a dark pick. Thanks for watching.

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