Real Kyper & Bourne - Vally's View: Goalie Warm-Up Routines

Episode Date: March 24, 2026

Steve Valiquette (3:27), MSG Analyst and CEO of Clear Sight Analytics, joins Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne to chat about William Nylander's warm-up shot hitting Anthony Stolarz's neck, Vally's ideal warm-up routine for goaltenders and their shooters, the New York Rangers' lack of shots on goal, who will emerge from the bottom of the standings next season between Rangers and Maple Leafs, Ilya Sorokin's Vezina case, and who the Carolina Hurricanes should lean on in net down the stretch. Then, on Grill Marks, Vally asks the guys which teams have the fewest points from their backup goalie and the best backup goalie since the Olympic break. Afterwards, Nick, Justin and Sam McKee hear from Ducks' Radko Gudas after serving his suspension on his knee-to-knee hit with Auston Matthews, Thomas Chabot receiving a crosscheck, Brady Tkachuk not protecting his teammate, and more.  The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

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Nick Kippreos, Justin Bourne. Sammy McKee. In a few minutes, we'll welcome in Steve Aliquette, analyst with the New York Rangers on MSG, CEO, ClearSite Analytics. Before we get into anything specific, it's been a tough couple of days, you know, around the globe. We just want to send our deepest condolences to the family of Jesse Pierce, who died tragically on the weekend, Saturday, her and her three kids. and the family dog in a house fire. And I didn't know her,

but I do know that she did wonderful work for NHL.com. And if it's one thing that I know being in this business for over 20 years is how close the NHL media fraternity is, and this one stung. Yeah. I mean, everyone just said, a big personality and a delight, you know, one of the people who injected joy into our game,

a real loss for the hockey community. Yeah. And, okay, let's send out condolences as well to the pilot and co-pilot. It was killed on Air Canada as well and another tragic incident where their jet collided with a port authority vehicle as well. So, yeah, tough, tough last couple of days.

In the meantime, you know, Hockey. Steve Aliquette will join us. Of course, one of the hot button topics, at least around here and probably around the league as well as goaltenders and taking shots to the head. And we've seen it before. Have you ever experienced that personally

where you had to go and apologize? I certainly have. Yeah, lots. Lots. Lots. You know, like in particular, I would say more, the backup goes in and you're like, all right, if you're warming up to be a darts player like you're about to go into the game of darts.

You're not warming up by throwing it into the middle of the four. You know, you're throwing at the triple 20 once in a while. And so he is a shooter. You like to warm up too and the odd time it gets away from you. I'm no William Nylander, obviously. But 14 years is shooting it high for Willie. Caught up with him for a second time. Okay, lots of takes in the last few days

from guys that never put the pads on in our lives at a high level, maybe a few times in practice. Did you? Yeah. Did you ever do that? No. No, it looks like a nightmare. I went in in Beer League like two years ago because they were a goalie rolled his ankle.

And I can't believe anybody would willingly do that. It's horrible. I had, I did a few things like that. And Mike Richter would dress me like I was seven years old putting on a snowsuit. You know? I have to pee. Take it off. Pretty much.

All right. Lally, how are you, my friend? Oh, very good. Wow, sporting of Toronto Maple Leaf hat for those of you that cannot watch. I mean, is there a message behind that hat? Yeah, well, I bought it after they were up to nothing against Florida last year. I didn't get an opportunity to wear it. And now I'm looking at the game tomorrow night, and this is who I'm rooting for.

You're rooting for them. You need the Rangers to drop. Wow. This is how the tank works. That's hilarious. And then I put the glasses on because I need to be in disguise. if I'm going to be wearing this hat. The tank cup

coming your way, Wednesday night, Toronto and New York. Let's start with warm-ups. And how many times has it happened? Does it happen more often years ago? Does it still happen today?

We're, of course, talking about Willie Nealander taking out Anthony Stollers with a warm-up shot. It's wide open for you. The only thing I questioned at times, the biggest question I have for you is in today's game with a mask and the ability for neck protectors, how the heck can Willie hit somebody in the throat? I'm a specialist in this conversation. You guys got the right person on, right? I was a backup goalies.

So here's how it works. Number one, as a coach, I can't tell you how often in practice when I'm working with a goalie that he gets hit. in the head and it's his fault. Not the shooter's fault, his fault. The goalie's job is to come down with the puck. If you drop early, you oftentimes get hit in the head where you could have received it in the chest. The only time it's the shooter's fault is if it's five feet over the net and I'm standing up. That's the only time. But it happens all the time in practice where a shooter's going to skate over to one of the goalies I'm coaching, and he's about to say sorry, and I'll say, hey, man, just get back in line. It was his fault. It's your fault. You went down early, right? Then they can, you know,

he'll say, yeah, yeah, I went down early. All right, let's keep moving it along here. So that's one. Now, in this case, Stoll ours was standing up. In warm-ups, I used to instruct our shooters to shoot at my gloves, because if they shoot five-hole, I've got to go down 50 times in warm-ups, and I want to conserve my energy. So a shot high is actually what you want. You don't want shots five-hole. Up down for what reason? You're just expending energy for no reason.

Now, with Stolars's shot, where it came from, top of the circles, snapshot, roughly 60, 65 miles per hour maximum, not a rip. Sammy, I almost drove off the road yesterday when I heard you say it was a rip. That wasn't a rip, Sammy. That was the opposite of it. a rip. I'm taking a beating for saying that William Newlander shoot a puck in a head is a bad thing. Sorry, I'm taking a beating. I know, I love you. You're coming from a good place. But here it is, guys. He was either not engaged, Stolars, meaning he was just floating through a warm-up and he wasn't engaged.

Or he didn't want to, he didn't see it right, I think is the only other excuse you could come up with. He didn't see it right. And I think that lends itself to believe that he wasn't paying attention or he intent in his practice. It doesn't hurt, okay? And the only way you can get hurt there is if you are standing straight up and down and your neck is exposed, I've seen one person get hit in the neck and it was Henrik Lundquist, 14-15 season, if you guys can remember, Cam Talbot came in and ran the table for the Rangers. But what happened on Henrik's was a stick in front of him during a net scrum, lifted his helmet up and then he got his neck exposed. And by the way, it was really serious.

Like, it was sending trauma to his head. He could have died. He got himself into a position to get in the hospital really quickly. Now, Stolars, I don't know how you get hit in the neck because real goalies in a crouch. I've never been hitting in the neck of my life. I didn't wear the dangler. I thought that was for wimps. And I didn't have anything there.

Like, I thought that was. And I also don't like the dangler because it moves and it gets in front of your eyes when you move direction or you look down to get a rebound. At any rate, I don't see how it happens. It shouldn't have hurt. You're too padded. This guy is driving me nuts this year. He's so good. I just want to shake him and say, man, you're a legit number one goalie.

Just go out there. You're getting the easy stuff wrong. It's funny. He said that Austin Matthews told him just keep your chin tucked. He goes, maybe I'll try to remember that next time. Well, that's what tracking is born. your chin is tucked. Yeah.

You know, and here's the next thing. Sometimes guys aren't working on their eyes enough. There are exercises that you should be doing during a season. You can take lapses in your play. And that one there, it catches them. That shouldn't surprise him that shot. That should be an easy one. So I don't know if it's that too because there are blind spots.

Look, I'm watching Joseph Wall the other night and he's getting beat under his glove like it's his birthright. but it's almost like he's got a blind spot in the left lower part of his eye. You know, he's just not seeing it. Well, the fascinating thing here is we're going to see this Maple Leafs team go up against the team you cover Wednesday night. So I watched the Rangers play last night. You know what I think about last night. What do I watch?

What's the pre-scout? They never had the Puck Valley. What's happening? What's going on with the Rangers? Oh, my God. So after the second intermission, we were talking about the NHL record for the franchise with fewest shots on goal. The NHL started taking shots on goal in the mid-50s. And the record went back to 1955 against the Detroit Red Wings, where the Rangers had nine shots on goal in that game.

And then two hours ago, they added a shot. So now it's 10. It was at 9 this morning. Now, I went to our database. we have our looks at everything, and we still have that nine. I think somebody did somebody a favor somewhere. But there's only been three instances since 1950s that we've had 11 or fewer shots on goal. And right now we're sitting at 10.

It might change before midnight tonight. We'll see. So if we all know how important original six teams are, Valley to the NHL here, which one's going to come out of this faster? Toronto or New York? you know, look, I... He's got a chance at it faster. I don't have my manifesto, okay?

And by the way, Sammy, your manifesto. I want to let you guys know, this is how my day went today, okay? I was on the ice at 9 o'clock this morning, and I listened to you guys on the way there, and I listened to you on the way back. And Sammy pulls out the manifesto about the time I'm pulling in my driveway, and I've got the seat warmer on. I'm getting warm.

It was cold out on the ice. this morning. I've got the massage setting going. I got a coffee. And I listened for 10 minutes just to let you finish up that manifesto. And I'm thinking to myself, I need a manifesto. Where's mine? So, Sammy, you could have a side hustle here. You can do one for us. You could do one for Edmonton. You could do one for Vancouver. Oh, he's got a franchise going. That's what I'm saying. That's this is great research. It wouldn't be as impassioned. I want those other teams to fail. Well, it was brilliant. And I feel like if I was really prepared, I'd have mine maybe next week.

But that's what we're going through, guys. Like we are at that stage where it has been a domino, one after another that's fallen. When you go back to last year, guys, this is a team that quit on the jersey. And it was very difficult to bring back the same group this year after what happened. Laviolec gets let go, bringing a new coaching staff, only a couple of moves, Jacob Truba, Chris Kreider, but not a full retool. And Panarin comes back, and with Panarin and Mika Zabanajad, who had his 1,000th game last night, and a lot of credit to him in his career.

But when you have too many players that don't check in the playoffs, and I'm talking about back checking, and I'm talking about creating unsettled offense, which is forechecking offense, back checking offense, creating giveaways and takeaways. If you don't have that element in your game, I don't think you can win right now in 2026. The best team, the last two years,

at that type of offense, was Florida. This year, it's Tampa Bay. And we don't see an influx of five-on-five, goals in zone in settled offense during the playoffs. It's a slight drop off from the regular season. It's very close to the same amount of offense off the rush. My point is the game changes and you have to stress your opponent in every area of the ice to be successful. The one thing that we saw with Panarin, and I went through this and I have it within arm's reach, there were three tries the Rangers had, two Eastern Conference finals and then a first

round loss to Ottawa. But during the final three games in the Eastern Conference final for Panarin, one high danger scoring chance in those three games, critical games, and just two high danger expected assists, meaning he set his teammates up for either two-on-ones, breakaways, but high-danger plays. And then in the final three games against the Devils, when they lost in the first round, two high danger chances in the final three games, zero high danger primary assists. So that means he did next to nothing. And then last year, or excuse me,

the very first year when the Rangers went to the Tampa Bay, Easter Conference Final against Tampa Bay, games five, six and seven, the final three games, two high danger scoring chances, one high danger expected assist. Not enough happened from the star players in those final three games, three years in a row, and whether it was real or imagined or by strategic, advanced thinking,

the organization didn't believe they could win with the same cast of characters because you come up empty three times in a row. What I've noticed in hockey is if something happens once, especially when it's critical to your own team success, it can't happen twice. If it happens twice, it's surely going to happen a third, fourth, and fifth time. And I can see why the plug was pulled, But right now, Kipper, you're in a position where I looked at this today, which I thought was wild. The bottom 10 teams in the American Hockey League right now, nine of them have parent club teams that aren't going to make the playoffs. So you could possibly have nine of the bottom 10 teams in the American Hockey League that have both clubs not making the playoffs. So that's where the Rangers are.

And that's where your future is right now. and that's why it's very trying times, and that's why I'm wearing a Toronto Maple Leaf on today. You're watching and listening to Steve Aliquette, analysts for the New York Rangers on MSG and CEO, ClearSight Analytics. Just one more thing, just on specifics when it comes to the Rangers and the Leafs for me.

Two defensemen who are paid like stars, for sure, Morgan Riley and Adam Fox, clearly underachieved this year. Fox, I think, is four years younger than Morgan Riley, but I think when I look at these guys in their recent struggle, sometimes I think, boy, you know, maybe just a change of scenery might be the thing that they might need the most. Maybe less on Adam Fox,

but, you know, where are you on those two type of players and where they are particularly in their game today? The letter that the general manager and president, Chris Jury, sent out a few weeks ago, it was a retool kipper and a retool to me and my observation is shisterkin adam fox zabanajad j t miller lafranier that's it and then everybody else is possibly going places however we've seen the way the n hl works right now can i see a world where adam fox wants to change or maybe even shisterkin i'm not signing up for this shisterkin's already out of the playoffs now for

the second year in a row and he's in his prime. And he's arguably the best goalie in the league, most talented, I think. And Adam Fox is four years removed from a Norris. And, you know, I don't know what steps are going to get taken, but I think the organization has spoken loud and clear. We're moving forward and we're going to try and fix this around the edges. However, they don't have the pieces that the Minnesota Wild had to get Quinn Hughes. Because if we're looking at how does this change?

change. It's either Brady Kachuk, Connor McDavid, or Austin Matthews. Those are the only three solutions I see for this rebuild in New York to get sped up. And we all know, and we don't have to debate how long we could debate on this topic, how hard that would be for any of those three guys to be available and come to New York, because I don't know if they have the pieces. You know, like, what does Ottawa need, in my opinion? Oh, my God, that team last night, you guys, aside from the four shots on goal after two periods, Borny, like Ottawa is dominating the NHL right now. Like I haven't seen before.

Okay? Like, I was pulling these numbers before the game last night. They are on a stretch now of 13 games where they've only lost the high danger battle in one of them. But they are smoking teams. Like going into the game last night, Borny, their high danger chances for were 127 over the previous 12 games since the Olympics. and they had allowed just 76.

So they're a plus 51 in high danger chances. Like if you give a team breakaways and two on ones and three on twos, they score in the NHL. Yeah. And the only thing that is, and we've talked about this for weeks at nauseam, is the goaltending piece. But if they get goaltending, the Rangers had one high danger chance last night. The Toronto mate beliefs, I don't know, I just,

I don't want to run down this whole. list. But guys, it's, to me, one of the best teams that we've seen in a really long time. It would be a shame if they didn't make the playoffs because of goal tending. Yeah, it's funny seeing them, some of like the underlying numbers, they're kind of pulling away. It's kind of them, Vegas, Dallas, that are best defensive teams and they can score like crazy too. They got a lot going for them. So let me ask you, tonight. One of the biggest games in the, of the NHL season so far, Ottawa Senators, Detroit Red Wings. You've got John Gibson, who's played, I believe, eight straight games for the wings. And Allmark going for Ottawa,

who's trying to keep that thing afloat with 4D, no Sanderson, no Shabbat, no Jensen, no Gilbert. Yeah, that was the funny thing about the game last night, Borny, like five regulars on D out for Ottawa. Yeah. And two during the game were lost, and still just four shots after two. But Travis Green has them dialed in, right?

Diled. So here's, I got this number in front of me, too, just for overall chances for this season. Again, high danger chances mean the most to me. I don't care about the fluff. High danger chances second. Chances against fifth, differential, second. But since the Olympics, first, first and first, like they're the best team since the Olympic break.

Now, Detroit is in deep trouble. I watched their game the other night. Gibson looks, I was going to say he is either absolutely fatigued or he's just playing a very passive game right now. and I think it's more on the fatigue side. Age, ability. The way that you can really sense that a goalie is fatiguing, working towards needing rest,

is they are late on every pass. So when you're watching the game tonight, take your eye off the puck and see if Gibson has even engaged his push before the puck leaves the passers stick. And that'll give you a good sense of what's going on with him. And he's having a tough time out there. And I think that the season's good, definitely caught up to him.

And Detroit is under so much pressure. I can't believe that they're going to blow this. And it looks to me like they are. So, Valley, we kind of debated before last night's game, whether or not Ottawa, who's chasing a playoff spot, of course, should go back-to-back games with Allmark. And, hey, they made the right decision because four shots is four shots. And they saved them.

if that's the intention. But, you know, we had Andy Brickley on and they go back to back with Toronto and Buffalo and we threw out Swayman maybe gets both. But where are we today with these situations where teams are chasing so hard and they're contemplating whether or not to play their $8 million goalies?

I don't like it at all. In fact, to me, I just think that it speaks to the fact that they don't trust their number one. I know that when we were in the hunt a few years, Lundquist was playing every night. And over the final 25 games, I'd sniff like one or two games. But that's because he is, he's right there at the upper echelon of the top guys. Allmark, I thought that if he's really truly your guy and you believe in him, you play him back to back. I think that, I thought that was ridiculous.

However, Ottawa made a smart decision. The Rangers didn't have enough anyway. Seroca, though, he came back after getting pulled. this weekend and man, did he have a performance on Sunday? I love watching his game. He, to me, Kipper is the one guy right now. And I'm sure if Tampa was in the position where they were near the cut line, Vasilowski would play all the games. But Sorokin right now is the one standout that will play every game down the stretch because it matters so much to that team. And that team is a blood and guts team. It's a very good team that you can get behind. I wouldn't say cup contender. And I know

born you wouldn't say that either but you know it's a team that you can you can cheer for a root for they're playing hockey the right way and they've got a guy in their net there that's a backstop that's playing blood and guts goaltending he's out there competing look he's if he he better get the venezna trophy right now he's plus 30 uh he saved his team 30 more goals than he should have you know and guys last year hellabuck won an MVP and a vzna with a plus 20 so like he's in the wheelhouse. Shasturkin was a plus 37, five years ago. And that's the best goaltending we've seen in

10 years. But Seroakins right there. He's having that type of season right now. Yeah, those are big numbers. So, you know, you're looking at the best teams in the east this year. Tampa Bay comes to mind. I know some people we talked about Ottawa, some people like Buffalo. Carolina, for me,

still a very good team with a lot going for it, like their decor. Obviously, people just go out about the goaltending. So Bussie is you know, he's been hot and cold. Freddie Anderson has kind of been pretty good for them for a bit. I don't know. They may go with him in Playhouse Valley.

You know, that's where the lean is right now. And I'm looking at Bussie's numbers, Borny. And he's a minus eight since the Olympic break. And you guys saw the game. You guys saw the game where against the Leafs where he gives up the rebound and ends up on his stomach. And it's a shot at him. All right.

I want to talk about this. He costs the Leaves to Point Valley. Gave him one. So he's having a tough time. He's getting wide. And typically when a goalie gets too wide, you go down early. You actually hit them in the head more frequently. And they also end up on their stomach because that's where balance goes.

Now, I'm going to segue us into grill marks right now. How did you guys like my tweet earlier? Oh, my God. We were absolutely dying. The AI leaderboard is unbelievable. Well, AI won't allow me to give your head and shoulder shots authenticity. It changes it up. I don't know if you can see the screen.

We haven't posted right here. I have no idea who I am. You look like you're about to call a March Madness game. Bang! It is you, Kipper. I grabbed that off of the web. Yeah. You had a headpiece on.

You had a headpiece on. Sammy's B. Arthur glasses. I look like Seth Rogen. I look like Nick Mullet, maybe. I can't tell. These are actual. of you guys. Yeah, okay.

They just took you to World 2. It's all right. I hate it. What a blast. All right. We like it. I'm not saying I got to go on anything like this, but I got to get this in here because it talks about rebounds and it's a part of grill marks.

We might just mix it into the conversation. So here's the thing about clear-sighted shots. Shots that come from outside the slot, right, where there's no screen on the goalie, but it's not a perimeter shot. It's not at the blue line or at the walls. You're approaching the slots. So you think you've got a shot that could potentially beat a goalie. Here's the thing about these shots.

They don't create rebounds unless you're shooting for a rebound. If you're shooting for corners, you don't create rebounds. I'm on the ice every day, guys. We run these drills where I have the shooters instructed to shoot from just outside the slot, shoot to score, versus from the same spot. skating in and shooting for rebounds. And if we take 12 shots, there will be zero rebounds

if the shooter is shooting to score, and there will be six and sometimes seven rebounds if they're shooting to create. That's the difference here. We had a game last week where Mike Sullivan was talking about shooting to break up the team's defensive zone structure, which was man on man. And when you're playing man on man,

if you shoot to create, because you can get into lanes, you can create some chaos off of rebounds and beat your check to get there in man-on-man coverage. Now, what I looked up for the show, this year in the NHL, there have been 11,709 of those shots that I just described, just outside of the slot area.

All right. Now, how many of those shots do you guys think it takes to create one rebound goal out of those 11,000, okay? It is either one rebound goal for every 105 shots, every 85 shots, or every 65 shots. I'm going to get in the early buzzer, take 65. I'm going higher.

I'm going the 105. Yeah, I'm going high too. Guys, it is. It's 105 shots to create one rebound goal. So that goal we're talking about with Busty. Yeah. All right. That's a bad goal, guys.

A really bad goal. I called it. We did the game. I didn't like it at all as soon as I saw it. It's brutal. And you know what? Other one, too, last week was Montreal and Allmark. He spits one out off of his armpit.

Same shot. All right? And that's a clear-sided rebound goal. Now, the thing about rebounds, guys, is if they stay on the same side as the goaltender, we would qualify that as a strong side rebound. Those only go in 4% of the time, guys. because the goalie's hanging over the puck and there's nowhere to go. You're just giving a free puck back to the goaltender.

Okay? Now, the ones that go to the weak side of the ice this year, they're going in 42% of the time. So the key is to get a rebound and to get to the weak side of the ice. But a better play, when the goalie's on top of you, instead of shooting a strong side rebound right back at them, you should have a trigger there for your teammate to open up for a pass. Because the pass off the rebound is the most.

valuable rebound in hockey. So you should be looking for that. The pass off the rebound guys, this year it goes in 49% of the time. You're probably better to blind to just chip it to that other side of the net, even not knowing of anyone's there, then you are stuff. Yes, Borny. Yes, Borny. And especially at six on five, Borny, you should have two guys hustling to backposts

to be able to bang that free stuff in. Well, you've seen Crosby and Hyman, the way they get their skates there, just in case pucks come off that back door. Like it's where goals are scored, correct. And I think that the misunderstanding of rebounds, creating rebounds, I think that scoring in the NHL still has another step. You know what, boys, this one really fired me up going back to the Olympics. Because the reason why Hella Buck, he had a 976 safe percentage in the gold medal game.

The reason why it was because the Canadian team shot 15 of those shots during the game. And when you take 15 or more of those shots that I just described, the goalie safe percentage goes to a 933. All right? So they fed him. How many of those shots to Hellbuck facing the gold medal game from the dead angle where he's just sitting in a reverse? And they're trying to score. Those were opportunities to pass it off of his pad. The layer that Canada has to take, and this is at the junior level, hockey Canada, they have to have a better and more sophisticated abroad.

approach to scoring off of rebounds. It's like watching the last dance and seeing Dennis Rodman explain how he figured out how to be a good rebounder. You find out what part of the rim, but how do you find out what part of the rim it's going to hit? You watch the shooter's hands and his release. You can get ahead of a play. And I think that hockey in general can take another step being more active, but almost coaching rebounds up. so the players aren't conflicted with where rebounds arrive. Good content right there, Valley.

That's good stuff. Awesome stuff. All right, so we've got to light up the rest of the grill here, boys. Yeah. You got more of the grill? Yes, I got you, boys. All right, so I talk about this one a lot where going into the season, you need 25 points from your backup goaltender to make it to the Stanley Cup playoffs.

All right. And right now we have four teams that do not have 25 points from the game. their backup goalies. Now, which one of these four teams has the fewest points from their backup goalie? Is it Nashville, Tampa, Anaheim, or Utah? Tampa. I'll go Nashville. Yeah, I go Nashville, too.

Utah only has 13 points from their backup goalie. Really? Yeah, yeah, VTECVANCHECK. Yep. God. So, and I think you guys would agree. It looks like they're going to get in. So they're going to beat the numbers there.

Yeah, yeah. Wow. For Melka. All right. Now, I'm not going to give you the name of any of the goalies here. You guys are going to have to use your hockey acumen here. The guy that I'm talking about here is a backup goaltender. And he's outperformed the start of this year.

And he's the best performing goalie in the NHL since the Olympic break. Can you guys think of a backup goal? goalie right now that's playing great hockey Sam and I both have it I say at the same time all right hold on are he's Kip going to say one at the same time how's this going to work yeah wait Kip you got a fake strategically here you can poach off

this okay I got him you got it yeah three two one Devin Kooley Devin Kooley okay oh Hofer oh no we both on Kooley

Gohfer Hofer in St. Louis Hofer's a 909 rate guys save percentage right now and Benner's still 879 but right now yeah yeah and Hofer, Hofer since the Olympic break

he is he's been terrific he's Canadian right he's Canadian it might be our next Olympic oh no Hofer American is he Oh no no no BC BC Yeah yeah at West at West so yeah he's been playing

great 6 5 big guy man he plays an explosive game so he's been really good for them and all right boys. Give me a quick answer on this because I want to go back to Bussie. Okay. It's 5.32. No, no, just wait. They signed them to a three-year deal roughly around $2 million a year.

It's not horrible, not the end of the world, but like, is there a chance that, like, it's midnight and Cinderella said you, the ball's over here when you've had such a short sample? Oh, my God. I got something for you here. Yeah, right here. All right, I'll make this quick, because I know Sammy wants me off. When a young goalie under 27 has a blip like this, everything here data-wise supports the fact that you have to stick with him. The only time you get off that horse is if this type of a blip happens at age 35 plus.

If it's a young guy like this, he's going to be just fine. and he's going through his first full lap in the NHL. There's plenty of feedback for him. He is too wide right now. I've seen this guy play enough right now, but if you watch him play, you'll see that he ends up on his belly a lot. He's going down early.

If he gets his feet back under him and he gets his posture together, he'll be just fine. That is deep in the valley. Thanks, Valley. Great stuff. All right, fellas, be good. Be good.

Be Valacette. Appreciate it, buddy. Another fabulous Tuesday. Out of Steve. Sickening to root for the Rangers on Wednesday. I'm doing that game. That'll be fun. I'm going to that game.

What are you going to talk about? I think the Tankathon, pal. I love that about hockey Canada coaching to shoot for more rebounds. Well, I think it's just general good coaching advice. It's tough to be goalies clean from distance. Play the odds. Get a rebound. I don't know how many guys.

If you're, as he mentioned, like we're not talking about a point shot. We're not talking about like our. off the wall. We're talking about a guy who thinks he can score. How many will go to a rebound shot? I've been watching John DeVarres go high blocker on those for seven years now or something. So they never go in. Oh, boy, the fallaway jumper.

You hope the first one doesn't go because a bunch more are coming. It's game time. Instead of my bet three, six, five, an official partner of the NHL must be 19 plus. Ontario only. Please play responsibly. 15 games on top tonight, boys. 1-5. A lot of games.

We were just talking about it a little bit with Valley there. He mentioned Ilya Sorokin should be the favorite for the Vesna Trophy. He is not the favorite, according to Bet365. I'm sorry, what? The favorite at minus 180 is Andre Vasilesky. I don't know where. He won't win. Elias Sorokin, still a plus number, plus 145.

That's a pretty good. That's a pretty good number. You got to get him in the playoffs. Yeah, if they get 97 points instead of 98, that changes your view and how his season went. Yeah. That's mental. And this is a two-horse race according to Bet365. The next closest is Jeremy Swayman at plus 3,300.

So those are the two that they're thinking. Maybe rookie the year is the only one I'd give away not making the playoffs for any one of them. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's fair. And the other thing I'll bring up tonight, Leifes in Boston, I just, I don't know if there's ever been a more of a lock. for a goal than Fraser Minton against the least tonight, plus 300. So enjoy your free money. That was game time.

Present of my pet 365. An official partner of the NHL must be 19 plus. Ontario only, please play responsibly. Okay. Out of those 15 games, the one that has caught the most is Ottawa and Detroit. Oh, yeah. I know Sammy watching the Ottawa senators over the weekend. You had some maybe choice words on Brady Kachuk, maybe not responding.

to an Oliver Eckman-Larsen hit. Last night, Shabbat got taken out by J.T. Miller on a cross-check. Didn't really see much of response. I want to get your response on that. Oh, no, no, no, no, Sammy.

Come on. Come on. All I'll say before we go to break is my mom taught me, practice what you preach. And then we can hit the break. More, Sammy, when we return after the break. Everything you need to know about the Blue Jays, Blair and Barker. Be sure to subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Welcome back to the Real Kippur and Born show. This hour of Real Kippenborne brought you by Bet365. Nick Pryl's Justin Porn, Samuel McKee, and a very apologetic. Radis. Who? Radco. Radco. What did I call him?

Radis. Radis. I don't know. Rad. Rad. Rad. Rad. Bradzie? Radzie, boy. Yeah.

Radco. Do you listen? Yeah, let's hear. Hold on. What do you think? It's good as hell. Ooh. What do I think about what?

I don't know. Did you hear it already? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And let me see if I put it in. Okay, let's have a listen. Hold on. I think I put it in.

I mean, I respect the league's decision. I respect everything. I didn't like the point of contact either. Yeah, that's, that's why I'm going to respect. Am I got to learn? I got to be better as a hockey player. I never want to go out there and hurt anybody. It's very unfortunate.

I reached out to him too. We spoke and, yeah, I never want to see anybody get hurt, so that's my fear very terrible about that. You say I got to respect what? Does he say respect my owner? No, he didn't say that. He didn't improve his own game or something. Just respect, I think, players, I think.

I mean, okay. I mean, politically, that's what you're supposed to say. Yeah. And not ruffle any fighters. And I do it again. Like, what's he going to, you know, like, let's go. Play the game hard, deal with it. Yeah.

Who's next? Yeah, he's like, see this knee? It's coming for you, baby. He's seeking missile. He ain't changing. He comes at you like that. What do you think you are? I am.

That's just his game. Just get your stick up on him. That's all. That guy's not going to, he's not changing now. Monday night. Kevin Zeezers yesterday said my favorite thing on it, like, what would you have done? if you were out there with the Matthews thing.

And he said, I'd be Barzal. Remember Barzal when, who was it? Chopping down the tree. Yeah, he's like, I'm not going to go fight. The guy's going to beat me up. I am going to take a chop. John Scott tried to jump Phil Kessel. And Bill was like, you know,

Danny Ramirez in his prime. And then Clarkson came off the bench and got a 10 game suspension to start his at least career. And it all kind of went downhill from there for all, David, unfortunately. Pizzetta should have just jumped off the bench at him. Well, sure. Imagine? Imagine what that would, like, I mean,

he would have had a statue on Legends Rogue the next day. Anyway. It's true. You honestly. Yeah. I mentioned Ottawa.

You weren't too happy with I don't know. I got to do on the weekend. The nation's capital was mad at me because I thought that their response to Logan Gilbert, right? Logan Gilbert's a pitcher for the

Dennis. Dennis Gilbert. The pitcher for the Seattle Mariners. Dennis Gilbert. the nation's capital was mad at me because I compared the lack of response between the sense on the Logan Gilbert hit Dennis Gilbert hit to Austin Matthews

and the reason I brought it up is because Brady Kachuk went on his super popular podcast and said that it doesn't matter if you're the top guy or your depth guy we have to be arm in arm we have to do anything and I thought that nobody even trying to fight all of Recman-Larser do anything in a 5-2 game,

which you're winning handily and left one of your only four defensemen lying in the ice rolling around covered in snow. I thought you maybe could have done something. So it pissed me out. And then yesterday, I don't know if we have the clip, Jake, if you can roll it or not of,

yeah, I mean, he gets... Oh, he doesn't know a good chop. Shabbat gets whacked. Or I don't know what we're watching here. It's a pretty good... And I'm not sure if you'll notice or not. He might be out a while. He's out a while.

He was out a while. So he broke something. I don't know. If you're watching, you'll notice who skates behind it. I think it's wearing number seven and white. He has a pretty good view at it. I don't know. It's just like, if you're going to go on your podcast

and talk crap about how big and tough you are, maybe when a guy gets cross-checked broken wrist in front of you, you should respond. That's how I feel. You know, as much as I think... I think you make a bit of a valid point here. Thank you. Well, yeah.

So that's the point of the podcast. Because to me, I can see him looking at that play and kind of thinking it's enough it's a cross-check, it's whatever. But it's a lot of it. But if you have a podcast and you're going to start talking about stuff, then you're going to be held to the standard of your words. I don't even know. It's not that you need to do something that could potentially get you suspended, right?

Because as Valley said, there's no team that's been better in every category than the Ottawa senators. So you don't want to derail any of that. But at some point, somebody's got to go say something to. I don't know. I mean, maybe the Olympic buddies. I was just going to say there is a relationship there that may be superseded the...

The 100 micolobes they show it in an 11 nightclub might have something to do with him not doing something there. There are times when sometimes you can watch those events and OEL's check didn't look anything out of the ordinary except you just knew he hit him really hard to hurt him. Well, okay? That we know.

You went in there. Oh no, with intent. with bad intention. Flip the pocket. How many times has Oliver Larson flipped a pocket and gone on the forechat? So this is the way it worked when I played. I don't know if anyone's interested or not. Yeah, that's what we're here.

Okay. It's kind of the reason the show works. If I was on the ice and if I'm Willie or Morgan Riley or I don't know, anyone else maybe on Ottawa that night and I didn't see it, I'm asking questions. and... Of who? Teammates?

Or the other teamates? What happened? Okay? What happened? And it's like, well, Goudis went into Matthews and took his knee out. That's it.

Now it's as if I've seen it myself. Okay. That's good enough for you. That's good enough for me. Yeah. Right? So in that instance, even if nobody saw it,

somebody needs to say something. And even if it is a minute later, where the trainer comes back and he says that J.T. Miller cross-checked him and his wrist is a mess, then I've got now time to go and address it. So it doesn't have to be on the spot, but it needs to be pretty darn close on the next shift. Did anyone ever know that you were so willing to take their word as gospel that they baited you? And they were like, hey, did you hear what this guy said or what this guy did? Like teammates?

Yeah, like just try to get you fired up and go. I never. I never. What did Tony Twist say in his podcast about you? I never, yeah. I never worried about teammates. Give me the goods. Okay.

Never. Yeah. That's good. That's just trust. What happened? Oh, so and so. All right. Okay.

Enough. Enough. That's all I need to know. I guess what's the danger of having a podcast that's speaking on league events. It just opens you up. Like I tweet, like I don't know. get one of the Sends accounts was coming after me.

And I tweeted a clip of what he said in the thing. It said literally said, it doesn't matter if you're a top guy. If you're a bottom guy, we've got to be arm and arm together responding. He's just, you're just saying stuff for the sake of saying it, but it's on the internet now forever. So anyways. And people hold these stuff. Buddy, leave.

Oh, you're talking. I don't know. Did the Ottawa senators miss the playoffs because of Sanderson and Shabbat now? Yes. Well, and all more. At least another week until we see Sanderson, maybe sooner. But these are critical must-win games right now.

And two of your best 20-minute men are gone. Ottawa has a tough schedule for the next bit. So Detroit's a big one tonight. And then six of their next seven games are against teams in a playoff spot. That includes Minnesota, Carolina, Tampa twice. Like some good teams over that stretch. If they get some guys back and get through that stretch

and they're still in it, They finish with the Panthers, the Leafs, the Devils, and the Islanders. And they should get some bodies back. So they could finish really strong. I'm just dying for that last game of the season to matter and how the Leafs get one of their only three wins are allowed. Toronto, Ottawa. And just through both teams, Toronto doesn't get bottom five and Ottawa.

They're allowed to get like two wins still. So, Sammy, you tell me that the Florida Panthers are dealing with several injuries now. Yeah. What a weird. I just. there's something wrong with all their guys all of us. Sam Ryanhart's not feeling great. You know, I think Sam Reinhardt's going to miss some time.

Is that right? Whoever wants to buy tickets in April now. Reinhardt and Marshander without timelines and undisclosed injuries, which is the greatest. Matthew and I is playing 25 minutes with a bum knee, but these guys are missing the rest of the season with no one. Undisclosed because we haven't found one yet. Lundell, listen, listen,

Lundell is somewhat closer to returning than most of his team Nates as he's not dealing with as serious an injury. We'll listen to his day to day, said Paul Maurice. He's not good enough to be on the ice yet. He's getting looked at. We don't think there's much there, but he's not ready to play. They're just not playing because they don't want him to. And I quote, we don't think there's much there,

but he's not ready to play. Florida tanking, full tank. Quickly before we go, OV got to a thousand goals. I forget what that was over the weekend. I didn't. That should be a much bigger deal to me than his original. Because we never, you know why it's not big of a deal? Because nobody really ever talked about it.

Yeah, I know. It's never really been a thing. I didn't realize, though. Both goals. Yeah. He's 16 now. Behind Greth. Behind Greth.

He's definitely coming back for that. So if he retires, he would not have the most goals in an NHL jersey. He is signing a one-year contract and getting 16. Just the NBA style 10 days? He just signs 10 days until he goes back. I think. I don't think, man. You don't think?

Well, I would hope there's a better reason than that. Than being the all-time leading goal score? It already felt like a thing. I'm just telling you, it was never really a thing. It's kind of a thing. It's a thing. It's a bit of a thing now. But you're asking me, like, where was the buildup?

What was the attention to it? It was like because it was never really a thing. Right. No one has ever been here before. I mentioned it like offhand. And a couple weeks ago, I was like, oh, he's like two away from a thousand. That's why, because you just mentioned it, no one else. That's why nobody thinks is the thing.

You don't think you'll come back to get 16 tucks to be the all-time leading. He could come back, but, like, that's not it. What's he got? 25? It might take him two years to get 17. Yeah, I don't know. He'll put him on the power play for two minutes every night. He plays the power.

Four minutes a night, four and a half minutes a night. Quickly before we go, Leafs talk tonight, boy, it's just, it's a must watch program usually. But tonight we have Johnny Glant from Billy Talent coming on, my boy. So we're just, we're adding in some fun. And JD too. Oh, you're just adding in some fun now. We're adding in some fun. And listen, don't short change them with this 17, 18 minutes.

I want you going 45 long. Listen, we've been going 45 to an hour. We've been going 21 exactly. Yes, closest to the pin every time. No, don't mail it in. off the edge and into a river below tonight. Oh, yeah. Some fallen leaves, if you will.

I don't want you guys mailing it in. Got the river below. Planny. So check a little bit talk with John Glant tonight. It'll be fun. Toronto Boston always gives you something, buddy. Oh, it'll be great. Mitten's hat trick will be safe.

Oh, it'll give them something. All right. Just like that. Two hours gone. And we've solved nothing. Our thanks to Gord Stelich in our first leaf hour edition, Andy Brickley as well.

well and Steve Alicat always fun on Tuesdays with Valley 15 games wow pick one or pick five

I don't know how many TVs you have in your room just watch them all and then join us again tomorrow on Real Kipper and Bourne have a great night everybody