Real Kyper & Bourne - Vally’s View: Panthers & Oilers by the Numbers

Episode Date: June 3, 2025

The wait for Game 1 of the Stanley Cup Finals continues as Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start with a reflection of Connor McDavid's tenure and future in Edmonton. MSG Analyst and CEO of Clear Sight Analytics Steve Valiquette (6:55) digs in on the legacy stakes for McDavid, how the Panthers stop Edmonton's offence off the rush, how the Oilers slow down the Cats' forecheck, where Sergei Bobrovsky is susceptible and why Stuart Skinner matches up well against Florida's style. Then, Vally weighs in on the Pete DeBoer/Jake Oettinger drama and why the relationship may be permanently fractured. Finally, Nick, Justin and Sam review each name on Nick's newly published trade board and where they might land.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Welcome in to the fastest hour in hockey. It's the real Kipper and Bourne show. We are live on Sportsnet Sportsnet 590, the fans Sportsnet 960 in Calgary Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver and Sportsnet plus Nick Kiprihills, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee, technical directors, Derek Brandeo and Jake the Snake Schultz. In a few minutes, we'll welcome in on our Tuesday, Steve Valakett, analyst for the New York Rangers, MSG, CEO of ClearSight Analytics. We'll get into a ton, including teeing up tomorrow night's game one, Edmonton Oilers. I wish it was like five more days away.

I really like this build up. It's very fun See this is a really good day to have Valley on yeah, cuz he'll just Hit us with everything and we just sit back and go Wow, really? I know it's like things get revealed on Valley Day It's always fun. Always fun. We also sportsnet.ca put out a trade board. Wasn't even really planning on doing one like a while ago, but the thought was people really like this stuff. People love this stuff.

You kidding me? Rory from the website was like, yeah, there's gonna be no hockey games for six days. Can you give us something? Yeah, content to me. Please, come to me. We did, we put a bit of a list together. As my good friend, Doug McLean says, I'm not telling you it's the truth,

but I'm telling you what I'm hearing. I'm telling you, if you can take the 20 people, your top 20, and put them on one team, it's a very good hockey team. They make the playoffs. They're competitive Not too shabby and we'll get into it Probably more after Valley than right now. I'm assuming Yeah, yeah

Before we get to Valley anything just kind of to pre pre Predict what we're gonna see tomorrow night? No, but I do want to mention something. I had someone send to me an article, an Euler's writer wrote it about McDavid and in the early stages, a lot of people, Toronto writers in particular, being like, the Euler's are going to ruin McDavid, they're going to break this guy, they've got to get him out of there. You remember when the Euler's had some lean times in the early days. So are we talking about something like 10 years ago?

Yeah, like a lot of stuff. And I had a quote in there too, where I was like, they got to get this guy out of there. I remember some interviews after like All-Star or after the deadline or whenever they were eliminated with playoffs and him just being really miserable. And I wanna say to the Oilers fans and all that, they win, they won. The Oilers did not break McDavid. He is back to back Stanley Cup finals.

They have built around him. So it's been a success for McDavid forever. It's not a success until. Hold on. Until the silver chalice is lifted above his head No, which way just until he signs his next contract sure So there you go. So my my point in all of this to lead this conversation moving forward is Do you see a future that hinges on a

Do you see a future that hinges on a championship this year for Connor McDavid? Or is it just a foregone conclusion now that he's happy there and he will stay there and he will retire there? Or is this? Is this? Retires a bit. Yeah, retires a lot. But it's to me. Well, listen, he's if he signs another eight year deal, he's closing in on 20 years of

his career there. That's pretty much career time. Yeah, I mean, to be 35 or whatever he'd be 30. You know, I think the point is that among the teams who are competitive, the Oilers are one as we have seen, they're going to be in the mix, you would think for some years, hopefully. And I think that's all he's looking for to sign his next deal. And to me, that itself is a major win for the

Oilers who have done enough to show him We can compete here. I do believe that there would be outside influences pushing him to Leave Edmonton No, I'm this is just us talking No, we're just Yeah, I'm this is just us talking No, we're just Yeah, I know It's okay. Push them back home, baby

I think there'd be some outside pressures and who knows where the league is on it that You would be better utilized in the United States selling our game Oh, you think they have Gary Betteman set down and be like listen son. I don't go no I don't think it would be Gary Bettman per se but there's people that would make it clear that he is our most marketable player and maybe The most gifted player in the history of the game. Yeah, and Not unlike Wayne Gretzky everything Not unlike Wayne Gretzky, everything really pushed in the US after Gretzky went to Los

Angeles. Let's be honest here. But you know what? Could he do the same thing in 2025, 2026, 2027? He looks pretty good in practice. Oh my God. We're watching him on video. those of you that cannot see. What was that?

Where were all the other humans? Do you think if he goes 0 for 2 in the Stanley Cup final that could sway him? No. Do you think his mind's made up that he's an oiler for life? No, I just think there's only a few teams who you feel like are competitive now. Remember yesterday I said, you don't, these guys don't know who's going to be good. All they're looking for is an organization around them that you trust can consistently put a winner around you.

So we had Elliot Friedman on the show yesterday and he said, if he was very, he believed that if Quinn Hughes was very comfortable knowing that they were winners or were there to win and win now or maybe in a few short years. We wouldn't be having this conversation. And I disagree with him.

I think there's, I think there's, I can't speak for everybody, but I do believe that there's a strong pattern that guys make up their minds about where they see themselves today or where they could see themselves down the road. Of course we all do. We all have some sort of plan. Right? So I'm just asking you, do you think Connor has a plan?

Yeah. Eight years, 14 and a half million on July 1st in Edmonton. Okay. That's what the plan is. Make that 16 million. But yeah, no, no way. North. No way.

He won't do that. He never, he'll take last time no he if if Leon's at 14 he's got to go north of 16 boys he does he does if you're in the PA all right you don't he won't let's bring him in Steve Aliquette always on a Tuesday always just all we got to do is just open the gates and he runs runs Kentucky Derby. I've been on the beach all day so I don't know how fast I'm going to be running. It's tough in the sand. Nice here for for for first day in a while. I don't know how it has been for you. Same here. It's been a battle. Yeah. All right. Where do you want

to start? We were just talking about McDavid. I don't know if you've got an opinion on it. Does his future and short term and long term depend on whether he wins a Stanley Cup or not this time around for you? You know, I'm not there because I already believe he's going to win. Like I can't get past the fact that I think Edmonton's gonna win. You know why guys? Because every time we've ever seen a team push year after year, return to a final, they've lost two conference finals, they continue to push, they're a driven, perseverance based group. I think they've had the source, I guess, from taking a couple of really tough losses.

Three years ago, I spoke to an NHL GM that told me he thought Edmonton was going to win that year, but Connor was playing on one leg in the conference final. So I feel like this is destiny. It's going to happen. This is legacy for him. Top players always seem to find a way in this game. And you go through all the years of all the Stanley Cups, how many stars, how many superstars never won? It's a very short list. I feel like this is going to be Connor's year and I think he's going to be

an oiler for life. How much credit do you give to the team for putting pieces around him to give him this chance versus this is a great player? I, you know, I think about member LeBron, like dragging some Cleveland teams to the final. I don't feel like you can do that. You know, drag a bad team in the NHL to the final consistently like this guy, unless the team around you is pretty good. You know what I was thinking today, Borny? It's the way that these guys

change the way they play the game to win. Like, Sid changed the way he played his game. There was a time where people talked openly about Sid not being great in the face-off circle. He went out and became the best in the face-off. I remember

playing against Sid in the playoffs with the Rangers. The scouting report was let him carry it clamp down on his wingers. He's not a shooter. He uses a straight stick. He's not a threat off the shot. And a year later, he had heard that he scored 50 goals. You know, that's what these guys do. Now, here's what Connor did in my opinion, in my opinion, and I started looking at stuff just to try and back it up, my theory, I think that he left more points on the table again this season and you watch the way he's played in the postseason, he's not really driving play as much as a shooter to try and score but he's setting up his teammates and the way that he's

back checking, in my opinion, is gonna change the way that he's back checking in my opinion is going to change the way star players play this game for years to come. I think it's the best news that hockey's had in a long time. I can go back to 2012 around there. I started coaching in the mornings in Bridgeport, Connecticut and guys are setting up the Connor McDavid stick handling kit. You know, like that thing started to become pretty popular. There's a name for it. You guys know the name for that stick handling. Not offhand, no. PowerEdge Pro. Does that ring a bell? I think it's Pep. Sounds right. Okay. It's like dangling stuff, right? But you know, I'm watching this

stuff and I'm like, is that really where the game's going? It's going to be kids learning how to keep their head down as they go through little devices on the ice. You know, I didn't like it. It wasn't a good feel. And at that time, you know, you've got guys on EA sports that are playing Instagram, hoppy hockey, you guys know, I get myself in trouble for that one. Yeah. But, you know, like, that's, I didn't like that. And now you look at Connor, and here's what he did. Go back to the 18-19 season, he had 116 points,

but he had 174 high danger chances against. You know, that was like tops in the NHL. I know he played a lot and he was on a looser team, but he was on for a lot. And they weren't even close back then. And now you come into the last season where it's comparative games, that's when he really figured it out

and he started playing this way, down from 174 high danger against in a season to 134. And that to me is significant for a guy that's gonna play and drive play offensively, but he's playing defense. And you look at McDavid on the ice for only three high danger rush chances against in the five game series against Dallas, you know, like, so he's, he's leading the rush though. He is, he is the king of rush chances.

And when you look at the Florida Panthers, I assume Forsling's gonna have the assignment against him probably more than anyone else leading into tomorrow night. Like, is there a sense that this team has this Panthers team can shut down or at least limit those off the rush chances that have been so successful in the last six weeks? And you're right, because I think this is gonna be a rush series in a way, because there's a lot of ego on both teams. Now I think that Florida's gonna certainly try

and suppress it, because they don't even wanna play that game. That's the really interesting thing about Florida. You go back to when they won the president's trophy in 21-22, they had 122 points that year. And they were flawed. They had the best rush team in the NHL that year. And when you go back to their stats last season,

they were 32nd off the rush. Like they didn't even try it. Wow. Crazy. And fifth in rush against. So they're gonna be pushing to shut Connor down and get his speed early in the zone as we've seen teams try to do. I think the bigger storyline about this series though is going to be what the Edmonton Oilers are going to be able to do to slow down Florida's four-check.

It's going to be their four-check against Edmonton's counterpunch and transition rush. Now, before you get away from the Dallas Stars series, I think it's important because Dallas was a legit squad. I mean, I know it didn't appear that way after five games, but going into that series, you looked at their forward group and you thought they were pretty deep. At least I did. I think at one point I said, deepest group going into the playoffs upfront and, you know, totally neutralized that guys Edmonton shut them down so bad at five on five It was one breakaway one breakaway chance in the five game series against and it was the Tyler Sagan goal in game one That's the only breakaway they gave up in the series

They gave up one rebound in the series one they gave up one behind the net the slot one timer They gave up one one timer that was deflected on the way in another grade eight chance. They only gave up two east to west chances and 10 broken plays. So Skinner had an easier time. It was 16 high danger chances over five games Borne. Like that's pretty cake.

And in the 10 broken plays, they were just random sort of luck plays. You know, I was watching them earlier. There wasn't a lot of design there. So I didn't think that was a hard series for Skinner. I mean, we'll get to Skinner and what we think is going to come next. But this matchup for me, just because of the way

that Edmonton is defending as a team with their leader, their number one guy is checking the hardest, I'm telling you right now, I think it sends a notice to guys around the league, whether it's McKinnon, Panarin, choose your team. You know, can you defend like Connor? Yeah, that's awesome. The question I have, you know, the Oilers seem to take all these teams who defend so well

and make them look like Pee Wee House teams. Like, you know, the Kings, Vegas, and Dallas were all top five, top ten defensive teams this year. Florida's going to try to do the same thing to them. How does the type of offense that Edmonton creates work on a guy like Bobrowski? Does he have a particular strength or weakness that maybe the Oilers are going to have to deal with? Yeah, this is interesting. So Bob, the only place that Bob has been exposed over the last year was on breakaways.

And it hasn't been as bad in the postseason. He's faced 18, he's only allowed three. But during the regular season, he had the second worst safe percentage on breakaways and Florida gives up a lot of breakaways. They ranked 27th in breakaways against. You're gonna see breakaways against them. If you guys remember the leaf series, they had 10 breakaways and the leaf scored multiple ones to the fourth line.

Yeah, that's true too. Yes. I remember Lawrence and yeah, we were talking about that one of the shows, but you know, like that's it's funny, but you know, funny, but not funny. I'll bring Toronto into this because I just fell into this a little bit today as well. As I said, 10 breakaways against Florida, the Leafs only scored once and I feel like breakaways are a real momentum shift in a game, at least for a goalie. Like I feel it. I know you guys if you're on the bench and one of your line mates or teammates rather gets a breakaway and they score like there's a lift there. You feel worse. You feel worse as a team given up a breakaway then you know

a third bounce Opportunity, I don't know what it is But it's also some time to think to kipper like if there is time on the way in for the shooter You know and there's time for the goalie to assess the shooter There's there's enough time to have a fleeting thought that can go sideways And I think that when you look at breakaway data, I don't think you should look past it if you're the Toronto Maple Leafs, because they have a history over their nine years

under the Matthews era of not scoring on breakaways in the playoffs. I looked at this today, and it was two years ago, they went two for 14 in rounds against Tampa and Florida. Two for 14 in rounds against Tampa and Florida. Two for 14. Last year against Boston, two for eight. You're killing Sammy right now.

You're killing him. Please. The final starts in Morro Valley. I don't know what it is, Sammy, but in practice, day to day, it gets overlooked. Guys don't really work on breakaways enough. You take a few at the end of practice and maybe you don't put game pressure on yourself. But if there's not something at stake,

sometimes in practice, I don't think there's enough intent there to score. And then you have it in a game and it feels foreign to you. You know, and that's why I think it's really important that players should study goalie tendencies in pre-scouts, but also work on their game and putting game intensity into their practice so they can get into a game and be able to not, well, shoot 60 feet too soon on a breakaway as we saw.

I think it was Lorenz that one, right? Yeah. You know, like, so yeah, no, I'm looking at that. And I wonder about that as far as player and team development Florida chances against well, this is this is where they really dominate this year Screens they gave up the third fewest their D are big and tough. They box out Broken plays they gave up the fewest so those Shots from the point that are trying to ricochet

on the way in, they clear better than anybody. They gave up the fewest in the NHL in the regular season. Rebounds, fourth fewest. One timers, fifth fewest. This team knows how to D up and protect the front of the net. That's gonna be the challenge for the Edmonton Oilers. Can they get their pucks through from the point? You know, and be able to get there for secondaries because this is a big D.

Kipper, I've been listening to you for years about this. The teams that win protect the middle of the ice. They protect net front. They're big, they're nasty, they're long. Like, this is what you need, and that's where Edmonton's Challenge is going to be in this series. The only weak spot, again, is the breakaways. That's the only weak spot as far as defensively off the rush. Not a terrible team with the exception of the breakaways. clear-sighted shots where he's seen the puck for more than half a second hasn't been beaten. Oh boy. Yeah the only time he's been beaten that's outside I should note that's outside slot area inside the slot area he's faced 26 clear-sighted shots where they just give him the shot and again

they box out so well he's only been beaten three times from inside the slot where he's got clear view on it so he's been really solid, as I said, on breakaways, only giving up three goals, even though he was bad in the regular season, so that could probably go out the window. One-timers, he's faced 41 one-timers, only giving up one goal. Broken plays, he's been a bit unlucky.

He's given up 12 on 31. So if there's one place that you can get him, it's there, as well as the east-to- west pass, and you must elevate. The east to west pass this year in the postseason, 18 chances faced, seven goals against. So I'll tell you what, boys, it's gonna be a heck of a final. I'm really looking forward to it, and I just can't believe we've had to wait this long.

I know. The thing is, the Oilers do move the puck east to west well, and they do have guys who can get breakaways, so it's possible that they could get to this guy. I'm thinking, you know, thinking, you know what? You've got to look at where to go on him. You've got to go high glove on the breakaway. All right, whether it's a deep or early shot, that's where you have to go. You know, who's really good on the oilers on breakaways is Zach Hyman. Oh. And they don't have him. They don't have him. And that leads me to the question is, is there any way to quantify that loss?

Or are we just going to come to the conclusion that it's either going to be Kapanen or Brown or Frederick or someone's just going to come in there and Corey Perry is going to continue his magic and it's not going to be as big of an issue as I might think right now. I know. Look, it's a playoff performer lost in your lineup that just hurts. But I mean, they got over at home. I mean, I thought at home was going to be much worse. I thought LA was going to beat Edmonton in the first round and after two games didn't it look that way and then since the way they've galvanized again I think there's a McDavid factor here a dry sidle factor you load up on these guys they're like nuclear warheads you just go to bat with them year after year and I don't think they're going to be denied I just I just don't believe

they'll be denied. The rush we're talking about that a lot right now. 42% of all the goals in the playoffs that have been scored have been off the rush. So you know it's gonna be a factor for Skinner. You know I'll kind of pivot to Skinner here. I pulled this today. The last three years rush save percentage, minimum 1,000 rush chances faced for all goalies, Skinner ranked second last in the NHL with an 8.83. The only goalie worse over the last three years is Murslikin's. And Bobrovsky, comparatively, had an 8.97 safe percentage over the last three years, which is ninth best off the rush.

The best rush goalie, Borny, over the last three years, Sorokin, a little nod there for the Islanders, and Shusterkin. So the Russian guys definitely do have good game off the rush. They're such strong skaters. Do the Panthers get rushes? They do not.

So you know, that's where it's going to be, you know, like this could be the right fit for Skinner, you know He's battled hard Skinner talk about broken plays like yeah, there's there's luck there, right? Cuz there's a little Plinko coming in and you've got a battle and you've seen the way that he plays He's not afraid to come out of his style. He'll scramble and just eat the puck Well skimmer skinner this year guys in the postseason. He's faced 32 broken plays He's only been beaten five times.

Like, that's good goaltending. Like, that is fighting for a save goaltending. So he's been battling hard. He's been battling Billy Smith out there. I mean, I think, now his biggest bugaboo, though, breakaways. He's faced eight, he's allowed four in the postseason. So, you know, like, I'll be watching all this stuff.

I think it's fascinating to have a few things to look for before the series begins, but a big piece of this, guys, is controlling momentum and it's gonna come down, I think, to maybe a breakaway save for Skinner or Bobrovsky to swing things in a tight contest. It feels like you need to take care of the puck in this series, right?

Yeah. You can't be giving up rushes. Levington's offense, man. I mean, they're tops guys like I'll just give you that quickly just because I got it. Edmonton this year in the NHL breakaways, they finished fifth, screens, they finished third. So we said Florida is really good protecting net front. Well, they're going to get challenged because everybody's willing to go net front for Edmonton. They do it by committee very well. They're going to miss Zach though. Zach Hyman's one of the best in the NHL. Getting into the slot area, they finished third in the NHL,

East to West, second in the NHL, broken plays second. So you know what? We've got a lot here to digest, but you know, it's again, it's going to be an awesome final. All right, looking forward to it. And we get you on next week to dissect game one because I don't know when game two is another ten days Unbelievable this weight, you know unbelievable you think it you think it benefits anybody or I

Believe both teams will get shot out of a cannon tomorrow night regardless, but yeah, it'll look like college hockey, Borny Every Friday everyone's been sitting around all week Yeah, it'll look like college hockey, Borny. Just shoot out of a cannon on a Saturday night. Every Friday, everyone's been sitting around all week. It's just a concussion zone for the first five minutes of every Friday night. Heads up! You're watching and listening to Steve Alliquette, analyst for MSG and Clear Sight Analytics CEO. As a reminder, this hour, Real Kipper and Bourne,

brought to you by Bet365. So, Vali, I'll be remiss if I don't ask you about Jake Autinger and concerns maybe moving forward between DeBoer and him. You know, my first thought was yeah, this might be a little interesting moving forward, but at the end of the day, I mean, is it is it that big of a deal how it kind of ended between the two of them this the series the season the series?

You know what? You know my thoughts on this? It's look, I'll start before I go there. I'll start here and say this. This is what I've seen around the NHL. I think the coaches are getting paid too much. Oh, boy. All right. I know that's a that's a bit of a bomb to say, but I'm gonna back it up by saying this. I played for Pierre Lavillette twice. When I played for him the first time, it was a year after he won the Calder Cup. He was up and down the bench all over guys, driving guys. And they respected him big time in Providence. He won with the Providence Bruins.

We had several of our players part-time with the Providence Bruins that year because we didn't have a farm team. Spano didn't have enough money to really buy the Islanders Borne. I don't know if you remember that. I recall that scenario. Yeah, we remember. We got shipped out to many different teams.

Now fast forward three or four years and I get an opportunity to just get called up a few times, of course, be around them with the New York Islanders. And I'll never forget this in training camp. We are in Lake Placid and I am far from the trainer's room. It's about 30 minutes before practice starts and the lace that goes through my goalie skate to tie my pad snaps okay because the trainers brought my backup set of pads and not my newer pads so now I've got no strap and I can't find the trainers to get some laces and I end up getting on the ice about two minutes before the hour.

And Labialet's there and he's already got everybody huddled. I would have rather been dead than the last guy skating into that. He ripped into me in front of everybody, set the standard for everybody to know that it's, you know, seven or eight minutes before practice begins. Be out here and just giving it to me, man. I just wanted to crawl into a hole and die. But I wonder this year when I watched the Rangers bench, how quiet it was. It was almost like the new style of coaching is not coaching. And nobody's willing to stick their neck out like they used to because labia at 350 was a lot more aggressive than labia at 4.7. And I wonder

if where we're at with NHL head coaches, do we try and save our bacon a little too often and I'm not talking about labia here but to burr like Pete to burr through that kid under the bus hardcore enrolled over him three times. Why? Because he only had five goals that even strength the entire series. And Jake eats it on two grade A scoring chances.

Now, I don't think he was great through the series, but for you to be able to be ammunitioned up to go into the postgame presser and say he's won once in his last six and he's got all his data and everything. I'm like, easy buddy. So I didn't like it. And I think that that ends in divorce because the goalie coach relationship, it's built

on trust and trust was broken. And me personally, in my personal life, when somebody breaks that line with me, it doesn't really go back to where it was. That's crazy. So the relationship with that even what makes it stranger, I guess, is the head coach and the goalie. Like as a head coach, you think you could just be buddy, buddy. You could almost be an assistant coach to the goalie, right? Because the goalie coach these days feels like the guy who might be harder on him or in his ear about something like I just don't feel like the head coach goalie relationship

should ever be acrimonious. The best coach I ever had was Ryan McGill and he didn't talk to me once the entire season. It's like you think I got enough on my mind the last thing I need is the coach of my own mind. I'm busy like I'm busy in my own mind right now they got goalie coach having message development coach I got my support team back home like it's busy and you're trying to keep that bubble tight And the last thing you need is your coach chirping. Yeah, especially in front of us. I get that I get maybe a little bit too much revealing too much information Just just after a series on the podium for DeBoer.

But is there a part of him that's justified that since he's signed that $8.25 million dollar contract and where he was a few years ago with an epic series against the Calgary Flames in the playoffs that he hasn't he he hasn't lived up yet to that that that massive contract that there's been too much inconsistencies in his games since he signed it you know I you guys know me now well enough I mean we talk every week I haven't had many nice things to say about Jake Ottinger all year I just I think that he just didn't really get his game together yeah it was just playing too wide. You know, you've got to understand how bad that is

for goal-tending when you get too wide. When the player drags the puck, you can no longer keep your feet under you to adjust your angle. So you're always off angle. When they pass, the only thing you can do is slide over instead of arrive on your feet. And what I see is the shoulders coming down and there's a lot of

room under his hands when he gets low and spread out through screens, he really struggled. But you know what? Pete DeBoer should have went to the goalie coach and said, Hey, here's what I see with this guy right now. Here are my concerns. He's on a short leash. Let him know this. Like you can have your coach come in and say, Hey, listen, I want to let you know, like he's going to be looking to Casey to Smith. If it doesn't go well early, you just

be ready before that series begins, because this is the attack. And just give him that notice. And if it comes from the goalie coach, it's a safer spot. You can't come there from the head coach. It's just the way it is. And it's just, you know what? It's just the way it is. I can't, you know what, it's just the way it is. I can't come up

with anything else. I got one more. I just got to go one more valley. Just one more. Just the guy. Let's go to the beach. I've got a trade board on sportsnet.ca. And I came this close to putting Demco on it in Vancouver. And I wasn't quite there yet but if it's not Demko you want to talk about in general the goalie market this summer is you think it's strong is it to the point where maybe you think that their coaches a little bit and you don't want to put in 8 million dollars on a lot of them because you

don't know where it's going to go. I actually have had a few conversations recently where teams are more comfortable in the $5 million range. And if Dallas chooses to keep Pete DeBoer and Jake Ottinger becomes available, you do have a very good option there in case you do Smith. With Demco, Lankton isn't certainly a good option, but giving away a top five guy is a game changer for an organization. You know, it would be like

Nashville saying we didn't like our season, we're going to put UC Saros out there for everybody. I think that, look, I haven't looked that hard at this year's free agency class for the goalies. I actually, the last time I looked, I thought it was very thin, until maybe you start putting names out there that might be in play. But if it's Demko, and you're a team that needs a goalie, like Carolina, you'd be crazy not to go all in and get him.

Because it's worth the risk with him. I still feel like, you know, like his injury guys He's just paid it's sort of one injury that's tied into three and it's not three separate injuries with him So I feel like there's a chance that he gets back to full health and has a great year and he could be an Eight and a half million dollar goalie by this time next year himself. Great stuff Valley is always on our Tuesday Thanks pal. We for doing this. All right, boys, have a good one. Enjoy the game. Appreciate it, buddy.

Steve Alequette, CEO, ClearSight Analytics. What did Anderson get? Three and a half? Three? What's the point of giving them three and a half to back up? Isn't it one year? Wasn't it a one-year extension? Send them to the moon if you can get Dempo. No, I think it was... Dempo? Old Dempo. I think it was more than one. Maybe two. They also signed Taylor Hall mid-run.

Yeah, that was okay. He got... He helps. ...three million bucks for... He's a great example of a pedigree guy later in his career who can just chip in. I got no problem with that. One year, 2.75 million. Okay.

All right. So there's flexibility there for sure They can go get them go if they if if Vancouver chooses to shop them and if they ever decide that they think goaltending matters Game time game time. It's game time presented by bet three six five visit the app latest odds and find out why it's ever ordinary It bet three six five must be 19 plus Ontario only please play responsibly now as you know, still no hockey plus Ontario only, please play responsibly. Now, as you know, still no hockey, as has been well documented on the show, day five of six days off for the National Hockey League.

Yeah. So I'm gonna take this opportunity to look at the odds for the RBC Canadian Open this weekend at TPC Toronto at Osprey Valley, which I'm gonna be attending for a couple of days. And as you would imagine, the favorite is Rory McElroy at plus 470 the highest odds Canadian is Cory or the lowest odds Canadian as you say is Cory

Connors at 19 to 1 doesn't get pender at 24 to 1 and you can go down the list Taylor just quickly trying to find Nick Taylor. Hey, he's 37 to 1 I watched The full swing some of the full swing documentary on Netflix The season 3 is out Rory has a really good one and our Canadian guys had win and Nick Taylor really yeah good Yeah, it's worth checking out either way. I feel like betting on Taylor and the written really fun if you are going, for Thursday and Friday, they've paired Nick Taylor, Taylor Pendrith, and Mackenzie Hughes together in a group. So I think they tee off around 12.30 on Thursday, so then they'll probably do around the same time on Friday.

So it's gonna be a zoo up there, it's gonna be a lot of fun. It's a fantastic course, facility, I can't wait to go. Is this the first time the Canadian Open's been right up against a Stanley Cup final? I think it's every year no no no no I don't think so I think it's every year I mean it doesn't matter the broadcast be done by seven you can no no I'm just but it's just I don't I mean it feels like it's always around this time no early June I think this I think they moved it before the US Open you should You come after the US Open.

Maybe you're right. That's right. All I know is the highlight of it is Hadwin and Taylor are in a bar in like Nashville and they put hockey on and they're sitting there eating chicken wings watching hockey and it's the Preds versus the Canucks and there's a brawl and they're like engrossed in this game. I just love that our Canadian guys are cliches on tour. One quick one I like this weekend,

if you think Roy McRoy is going to, you know, continue his dominance at the RBC Canadian Open, you can get him to lead after the first round and win at 18 to one. So some good value on Roy. I saw something that the course puts a precedence on tee to green. I was like, oh, Rory's fine.

Rory's gonna do okay there. I mean, I read some notes about it today. They've set it up. It's gonna do okay. I mean I read some notes about it today They've set it up. It's a total brute the wind blows out there I could see it being not a total birdie fast So it'll be interesting to see a new course on the tour anyways that was game time presented by bet 365 visit the athlete So I can find out why is there ordinary at bet 365 miss 19 plus Ontario only please play responsibly Oh and also shameless plug if you're interested in more golf stuff me and kind of reported recorded a golf show yesterday We had the tournament director Ryan Paul on talked a lot about the Canadian Open. So cool check it out

Great stuff pal. All right We'll take a quick break when we return we'll get into a few names my Trade board is out on sportsnet.ca. I see that. We'll pick some names out, have a few discussions. Now also, handshakes. Why are we still talking about this? We'll tell you why when we return to Jays, and NFL. The JD Bunkets podcast. Subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. ["Bet 365," by The Bunkets plays.]

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With a night in an incredible Three-bedroom villa for you and three friends just text the word Muskoka to $5.95 for your chance to win and visit sportsnet.ca Slash by the contest for more details standard message and data rates may apply boys Play golf with Bob Gillespie today, a good pal of mine in Scarborough. He's been a member there for 71 years. Wow. And he was saying a bunch of old Leafs last time they won the Cup, brought the Cup to Scarborough.

I think Keon was a member. Duff? Dick Duff? Is that a guy? Yeah, sure. Yeah, so yeah, some of these guys used to be Scarborough guys. He was there for all that back in the day and he's just hoping. He's just hoping once more. He's there for all that back in the day and he's just hoping that he's hoping members once more.

They were using the dream alive. Absolutely. They're using scoops and what were they called? Niblicks and mashies. I've also played golf this morning with a pilot for KLM on a one day layover. And you ended up at Don Valley. Alex, I got a lot of people say it's in great shape.

But he teed off at 430 this morning Oh, I teed up at 630. Oh, I was close Yes, beautiful little hoodie to start was off by the six holes fantastic and to 77. Yeah, I did play well again today I get hot. Yeah, I go. Yep. Nice just before the break. I mentioned my my trade board 1.0 on sportsnet.ca I think you guys got a look at the list. I've got a couple of New Jersey Devil players there. Palat had a terrific run in Tampa Bay and signed a pretty good contract there. But he's probably in a window now where they're looking to maybe make a few changes there. I put him on and

Dawson Mercer is a young player with tremendous upside. I only bring this up because I think I don't think the link between Vancouver and New Jersey is going away anytime soon. What would you guys do if if you had a real sense that? Quinn Hughes wanted to play with his brothers. Would you get ahead of a deal? Early or would you wait it out one more year and go the Elliott Friedman route where it's like Let's just play better and win and he's not gonna go anywhere. Yeah, what if we don't suck? Yeah You know, I always hate the idea that like one good season, like, ah, we finished second the Pacific, now the guy's not gonna uproot his life.

I don't know, I think you need to set him down. Like, is this something you wanna do? Like, if you don't intend to be here. Could you do it two years out? Or is it the Matthew Kachuk one year out with having that hard discussion and back then it was with Brad Tree Living. And remind me, Kip, he's not eligible to sign

this July 1st extension, it's next year. Correct. Okay. Two years, this coming season and next season, the following season, and then he's UFA and walks out the door for nothing. He says two years left, this and walks out the door for nothing. He says two years left, this and one more. I think it's paramount moving forward for respective clubs and their stars and all include

the Leafs with Matthew or Marner, sorry, that under no circumstances can you let 27 year olds at the peak of their careers walk out the door for nothing. That can't happen. I know. Well in Toronto it is happening. It's about to. But the Leafs took a gamble and lost. Vancouver can't take that take that risk not go Quinn Hughes not to go full leaf stuff here, but

I'm about to It you know there are rumors trickling out here. We saw the the Vegas connection lash That Freach brought up on 32 thought he kind of alluded to it here like It was there more attempts to trade Marner than we actually thought here boys like, you know last offseason heading into this This season, you know at the deadline though the very public one with the Carolina Hurricanes Like it's just more the more stuff tries to trickle out. Maybe there was more attempts than we thought. I Don't know any indication From my perspective and I'm not saying that I'm in on everything or I've heard, but not

seriously Sam. Okay. Right? I think a couple of things might have been floated around and I think Vegas was in a conversation at some point with Theodore, but how close at God or how much it was presented to a guy with a no move. I can't answer that. I just... To me, you got to be really aggressive. Clubs like Vancouver now have to get ahead of this instead of a hope and a prayer that he likes it here.

But you know what? You almost... You can't win without elite players. Like you can't go trade Quinn Hughes for Dawson Mercer and Palat and two firsts. One of their top prospects. Like you're never gonna be here. Yes. And so I look at the Canucks when they had their success there and Pedersen's having a better year and Miller's good

and Hughes is good and Demko's on fire. And you go, okay, that's the workings of a successful team. The Canucks don't seem like a place like a lot of, you know, it's not going to be a top five destination for UFAs. It can be a great place that they'll want to go, but it's tough to get the elite guys. Is it, are they in a situation where they have to say, even if he wants to go in two years, we have to keep them as long as we can, convince them to stay, put the best team we can on the field here, because we're not going to replace Quinn Hughes. You're not going to get better. But you may lose them for nothing under your scenario.

Well at least you have one more year before you have to make that call. You certainly can't trade them now. Well that's kind of what I'm saying. You kind of have to use this year to show them abs if if if you can find a package that someone's willing to overpay like they do usually at UFA with Current players and you go get Jonathan Marches. Oh and go get no you'd have to you'd have to have a legit Top four defenseman coming back. I think I don't mean for Hughes I mean to show Hughes that you're good can you competitive that you're trying to win? I don't yeah for Jersey

I'm saying Vancouver. You're not trading Hughes. I'm saying for the Canucks Okay, bring in good players into Vancouver and say Quinn. We are not rebuilding around you. We're building Yeah, I don't know anymore if that will be a difference maker. You really seem to feel he has his mind made up here. If that doesn't do it then... Yes, Sammy, I'm worried for Vancouver Canucks fans that this is kind of already in the making, that he wants to go play with his brothers. Because I'm looking at this Canucks lineup and you subtract Elias Pettersson and Quinn Hughes,

or just one of them, whatever then it's Debrus Garland Heedle Joshua Hoaglander you're like you're a bad team not those bad players But you need stars your top guys can't be chronic peterson Myers or sorry Peterson whichever it is in the back Yeah, so many of them. I Like is better all peterson Elias peterson peterson 2son 2.0. I do worry for certain markets that, I call it the Matthew Kachuk theory, that it's like, whatever you do, whatever you think you're gonna spend, put around me.

I'm just, I don't envision myself retiring here in Calgary. Right, wasn't that the best way? Everyone got ahead. Like, the Weaver's been awesome for the Flames. And Huberto had a good year. Huberto had a really good year. Yeah. So, that has to happen then then if you're Hughes and say

let's see what you got from now till whenever and then if we don't have it. But that doesn't mean that you can start the wheels in motion. You're saying behind the scenes should the Canucks be talking to teams and saying all right, who do you like on Jersey? Oh, this is bad. I hate this conversation. Who can you envision packaging? And it's not like it has to happen this summer or in the fall or next Christmas. But if you have a real sense that this guy is going to go south on you, play with his brothers. It's a dream of theirs to put their family together. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity to play three brothers on the same team. What did they draft Luke Hughes at?

If that also lands them Quinn Hughes, what a draft pick. Yeah, it was a great pick. Really good with that. Anyways. All right. But to go back to where we started though, I do like Palat. Yeah, I did. I mean, you know, no disrespect to the guy, but to go back to where we started though. I do like Palat Yeah, I did. I mean, you know no disrespect to the guy, but I mean he had a decent year last year

I mean he plays hurt all the he's hurt a lot I mean he's making six million bucks which with the cap going up will be a lot less, you know Prohibitive a lot of a lot of the guys on my list are teams are in positions to pick up 20% 30% of contracts and and up the return by the way this list is incendiary he's played I'm sorry not to go full plot here but he's played a hundred and fifty five playoff games and scored 51 playoff goals like he's a he's a type of player he's a type of guy that is a gamer himself on like a team like the Toronto May Police be like oh this guy's

good in the playoffs. Yes, totally But the top five names on this list actually the top six names if you want to talk incendiary Elias Pedersen Morgan Riley Rasmus Anderson Eric Carlson Marco Rossi Martin nature's nature's who just landed. Yeah Like I gotta get out of here. Well, I don't know if it's I gotta get out of here but I think I think that the level of intensity between carolina and colorado It was a bit of a but hey A wake-up call for biggest slight to an organization if they're like, whoa This team tries hard the other team needs to have a come to jesus moment or if you're

Marty And you're like everybody in this city looks at me to be ran. They look at me. They were like the guy that stabbed us through the heart in game seven. I was the guy that replaced him and I like crashed into the boards and left that game. It didn't score any big goals and I wasn't like you're like the other woman that like ruined a marriage. You're like everything was good before you

Why are you here? It gets a bad spot. I'd why are there too if you would have just had a decent run here You'd be he would be talking about re-upping at a like a real good number But I I don't see him as a ten million dollar player now give Carolina credit They knew when he was red-hot that he wasn't that guy. Yes You're not that guy pal. Yeah, you're not that guy Yeah, and he's had a brutal playoff time scored one goal for them in the playoffs His playoff careers anyways, but as you get you through or get you there and there's guys who's true

Yeah, all right. Well, we'll pick it up tomorrow as well. Hold on, what's the nature of this contract situation? What's his? I think he's got one more year at 6.5 million, which is a really good number. Right? I agree. Yeah. But if you're not going to resign him, what do you do then?

Trade him? It might be some value there. Old McKinnon's like, you better bring me Mitch Marner right now right we'll have to wait and see how that unfolds our thanks to Steve Valakette clear site analytics all right boys one more sleep and then puck drop game one enjoy your night everybody we're back tomorrow on the real kipper and boring show Game one. Enjoy your night, everybody. We're back tomorrow on The Real Kipper and Boring Show.