Real Kyper & Bourne - Vally's View: Round 2 Goaltending Previews

Episode Date: May 5, 2025

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee open the national hour by discussing the thrilling comeback win from the Winnipeg Jets in Game 7 before bringing in Steve Valiquette, CEO of Clear Sight Analytics (6:36). Vally shares his thoughts on Connor Hellebuyck's overall performance against the St. Louis Blues, whether he can find his form against the Dallas Stars, if Jake Oettinger can control and limit offensive rebounds from the Winnipeg Jets, Anthony Stolarz's leash against the Florida Panthers, how the Maple Leafs can attack Sergei Bobrovsky, and whether Calvin Pickard is now the number one goaltending for the Edmonton Oilers' post-season run. Then, Nick, Justin and Sam chat about Mikko Rantanen's efforts to help his current team advance to the semi-finals against one of his former teams and why it was important for him to beat the Colorado Avalanche.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

We are ramping it up here on the Real Kipper and Bourne show as we step into round two in the National Hockey League. Welcome to the national hour on Real Kipper and Bourne. We are live on Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver, Sportsnet 960 in Calgary, right across your Sportsnet platforms. This hour, Real Kipper and Bourne brought to you by Bet 365. Kipper, Elis,rails Justin born Sammy McKee In a few minutes will welcome in Steve alaket analysts with the Rangers

CEO clear sight analytics with his Regularly scheduled Tuesday on Monday on a Monday. It's Monday. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so it's not Oh yeah. Yeah. So it's not Tuesday. That's why I thought it was Tuesday. Nothing gets by me. Can we please talk about Jets now or have we... I felt bad not saying it the whole hour. We will get into Jets talk and of course Connor Hellebuck will lead Valley's I'm sure shtick but by all regards here go at it here. Where do you, first of all, as bad as Hellebuck was in the series, it pales in comparison to just the overall

entertainment value we had last night. They overcame every hurdle thrown at them. They had the potential heart trophy winning goaltender play not very well, and they overcame it. They had injuries to Shifely. They had injuries to Morrissey, Ealers, Velardi. They had those beatings in St. Louis. They were down two with two minutes left.

They won the series. That was incredible. They played so hard. And they, like, Peelink's not the biggest guy, but even prior, well prior to the game-winning goal, I'm watching this guy go get pucks back. I'm watching him rub out bigger guys than him along the walls and then coming up with pucks

and then skating them out. It's like, this guy was not to be denied as many of his teammates felt, I'm sure. Pionk highlight pack, what a block there, that was great. And then the poke check. Really good, really good. He was all MVP world for me last night. Most minutes in a game played by a defenseman

in a playoff game since 1999. The game winning goal went off O'Lowry's pant leg. It did, pant leg, yeah. Did? Yeah. I've watched a hundred times It was fairly subtle, but there's no question that it changed directions a couple times. Yeah So you I didn't think like they got that bounce in the what what what did they get the three two goal? Off suitor stick with about two minutes left. I thought they didn't have those a power play was it not No, I think so. It's a goalie out. I think it's't have. That was a power play, was it not?

No, I don't think so. It was a goalie out. I think it was just goalie out. Goalie out, okay, yeah, you're right, you're right. That was a very leafy game seven. Like just the way that felt with the softy, the two softies or even three softies, you wanna have the argument with Hellebuck. Them not being able to generate much,

them not being able to score, they get the bounce, they get right on the offensive. And what can you say about that tip, man? That tip was unbelievable. The first one's amazing. And then the profetti wanted to tie it. That the puck, when it goes back to Ehlers with about six seconds left and he doesn't panic slap the second one, and he whips it through the seam. Incredible. This tip, by the way, 100 pox, I don't know, I don't think you could do it. If you sat through the 100 pox,

I don't think you could do it. No, I could use 1,000 pox. Isn't all the credit to Col Profetti for sure here, but like Kyle Connor has to sell it and he has to put enough mustard on it and it has to be flat, right? The redirect doesn't happen unless the puck's in a certain spot, flat, like.

Really good. Kyle Connor here, like, first of all, wingers aren't supposed to lead in scoring. It's supposed to be their center man. And we're gonna get into ranting a little later, because we're gonna have a really good conversation on ranting And I promise you that yeah, but between him and Connor now They lead the the league in scoring here and wingers aren't supposed to do that, but these guys are so good

Well, you just Connor's unbelievable you don't ask to your point also defensively. Oh at times to your point You don't expect a pass there. There's three seconds after the game. You're selling I don't know if he fanned on it or if he meant to do it or what you're expecting that puck to go towards the net Even folk like kind of don't like he didn't go to the right spot because he's not expecting watch where he goes like he's expecting a shot there Yeah, he may be trying to get that just to profetti in front hoping to get a stick on I mean Oh, by the way also doesn't touch the back of the net straight under the bar. I Can't I'm you you know I'm a fan

That is if you're in the building that must have been me. That's the greatest Yeah, how could it be better than that like you can win go on and you can win games You could even win the cup but that moment where you're three seconds away from your season being over. Yeah, that's franchise iconic moment That's unbelievable, man. And they're going nuts in there. I'm so, like, I don't know you get happy for other Canadian fan bases, but I am thrilled for the Jets fans today. That's nice, Sam.

Thrilled, thrilled. So again, we have to be reminded, like all of this is still the first round. Yeah. You know? Yeah, of course, but I mean, it doesn't matter what round that is. No, no, but if they lose, does it come back like that cushion the blow?

You always have that Kip no matter what helps I mean, but you're looking at this like I we yelled at each other on Friday about the Ottawa thing where you like you Didn't care about it. I was excited fans are allowed to be excited about this thing That's an all-time sports moment. They're not excited. Yes, and I'm not saying that you shouldn't enjoy it Yeah, all I'm just saying is that We are talking about the best team Right there the president's trophy winners the best team they didn't have that other horse that needed double overtime against a wild-card team and

Perhaps if they're not on top of their game, they may lose in the second round I'm sitting there going is is that good enough for the fan base though, Sammy? Was that a smoothie that flew up in the air there? On that original angle? What was that? Or is there still pressure on this team to go deep? Of course there is. I'm sure they shouldn't have been in that,

but when you're three seconds left in your season and you don't lose. My guy David's pain, they're full fist pump. Everybody had them written off, right? They're done. They were done. But when you're three seconds left in your season and you don't lose I gave his pain everybody Everybody had them written off right? They're done. I mean they were done. I mean they're done. Okay Yet got into the Connor Hellebuck story of this series. So let's bring in the ultimate Expert on a Monday why I thought it was Tuesday No idea, but it's Valley Valley. That's how strong your presence is. I just look at you and I go Tuesday Reputation enters the room before I got it. Thanks for joining us and

Let's let's start right away with Connor Hellebuck in the series that he had and If you were to look at that numbers today in the series that he had. And if you were to look at that numbers today, you would have thought Winnipeg would have gotten swept in four straight. Like how big of a bullet did Connor get, you know, in terms of dodging it and through through 19 other guys Called teammates. Yeah, you know what Keper when I was watching him on the bench last night You can only imagine what was going through his head and then to come back and have to turn the channel Can you imagine he was probably rehearsing what he was gonna have to say? No kidding postgame presser, you know and then have to be able to turn the channel to go out and make a save the post game presser, you know, and then have to be able to turn the channel to go out and make a save.

He didn't face a lot of high danger or any difficulty in the overtime either. So it wasn't really an opportunity for him to show. St. Louis had one high danger chance in the double overtime. That was it. One. So it really wasn't anything that he could actually lift the team spirits on. He allowed 11 more goals than he should have during the series. You know so that's an outrageous number nobody's even close to it when you look at the bottom 5 guys actually sent a tweet out to you guys before the show and the one thing that I was looking at it is right there so when you round up the 10, five, seven, call it 11, the bottom five guys actually,

and sorry for Stolar's being on the list, a few red flags about Stolar's, we're gonna get there later on. But the top guys too, like it's an All-Mark Vezna Trophy winner, a Vasileski Vezna Trophy winner, Hellebuck Malty Vezna's another one this year. So the top guys are at the bottom of this list.

The guys at the top of the list that showed well but weren't able to even to press through is Markstrom. Anderson, I don't know where he is right now, if his parachute worked or if he's at 50,000 feet, I don't know where he is. Gustafson, I thought was gonna have a chance to steal a series because I think that highly of him. And you can see Bennington there. And one thing I was really wondering about was just how Hellbuck was getting beat in the series.

And one thing I did tweet at you guys a few weeks ago that we actually never got around to talking about, it was a points of contact pitcher. And there's different numbers on this sheet of paper that I send to goalies that I work with. And it's, it's a way that you can rehearse making saves. And excuse me, you can you can do it when you're looking at the net from distance from face off dot or distance above face off

dot because it's a different save. So when hella buck gets beat by Fox, the last night, it's over his glove. And it was the 11th time in the series that he had been beaten over the high glove. One thing that he's doing right now that he must repair for the next round is that he's going down with his right knee first. So he's actually trying to drive his arm up to make a save with momentum, rather than when the players get dots down on you using that shoulder and elbow.

And he does that during the regular season. So it's just something that he's having difficulty with right now. You'll see his right side. This is not the play. But anyhow, when you see him allowing the goal that is the Fox a goal, it's one where I'm looking at it and I'm saying like there's no way that he can continually make this error and have success in the next round and beyond. I think it's going to be an issue for him.

He's getting beat too frequently on the clear-sighted shots. That Faxo-1 right here. That's the Joseph goal right here. The Faxo-1, he's not really square, right? He's kind of at an angle and twisting, and it just feels like the, you know, is this fixable for him? When he goes back and look at tape,

can you two days from now, three days from now fix it? You know what it would be, Borny? It's funny because where he got beat on that goal was really like a warmup spot for all goalies before practice begins. The one thing you want to establish is that you have a sound standing stance and then when you go down, you're actually driving both knees down so you can pitch forward and the fact that he was in a spot

where this is the way we would say it. If we're looking at video Borny practice video because you look so big from the perspective of the puck, it's almost like you have to get out of the way for the puck to get by you. And what you're saying is what I'm saying, which he really contorted his body down and around to try and chase that puck,

essentially getting out of the way. If you had him standing on his feet with a video camera behind the puck, you'd say there's nowhere to shoot. But if you're trying to get out of the way and momentum and make a save, you can actually physically get your body out of the way and open up net for shots from those angles. You're watching and listening to Steve Valakett on this special edition Monday as we start

round two. So I didn't like the Joseph goal at all and I tweeted Pull'em, just as simple as that. And then- Is that the first opinion tweeted to you in like 10 years? I couldn't believe it. Yes. Yes.

There was the fear that there'd be another bad goal, which there was, I think with the Fasca. Yet they made the decision that go big or go home, that there'd be another bad goal, which there was, I think with the Fasca yet. Yet they made the decision that go big or go home. This is our guy. And listen, it, it turned out well enough that he looked and played the part well enough to shut the door and get the win in double overtime. But how hard of a decision is that to, to pull a guy of that stature out of the net?

Well, I think you'll lose them for the next round. If you're thinking that there's a possibility, you got to come back. I just don't know how well he fares against Dallas. Like Dallas created so much offense in that series against Colorado. How do you think it's going to go for Hellebuck? Man, like, look, this is a long road for him. And it's funny because if you look at goalie coaches in the NHL, guys, I really feel like they're mechanics.

If they see something off, it usually isn't so glaringly big at this stage of the game. It's, you know, your feet squareness. You might be going down one side early instead of coming down sound. But to me, every play at the net is a mystery. Now I thought that he did a pretty decent job of looking, uh, let's say sound or measured in the overtime. But again, he wasn't really called upon. I was waiting for St.

Louis just to create one scoring chance and they just really couldn't break through. They stopped skating. Like I loved them in the first 3 periods and then all of a sudden they stopped pounding away and I think they actually let the D off the hook. I mean they were thin last night and one thing we talked about a lot of Winnipeg this year during Jets talk is that they don't have the biggest D and that's one thing that we saw in the series

a lot a lot of rebounds and a lot of broken plays ended up in the back of the net and had held back swimming a lot. I don't think it's gonna be good in this Dallas series. I don't see I see there's too much here. Again I wasn't I wasn't hanging my hat on Hellebuck anyway but now boy oh boy 11 more goals than he should have allowed in the first round I think that's outstanding that they even won. The only thing that could help them out then is if the other goalie struggles a little bit too. What are your thoughts on where Oughtonger's game is at? So it's funny. So I was looking at rebounds again because my big thing is that when you lose your posture,

you start spitting pucks out a lot. And this is the naughty list from the first round of rebounds. Okay. He'd allowed 17 rebounds that resulted in shots on goal. But when your team can come back and help you, you don't always pay a price for a bad rebound. That's the way it works with goaltending. But there were 30 rebounds that he allowed in that first round series where I would like to have him control the puck controlling the puck means putting it in the corner putting it up on the

glass or freezing it absorbing it being like Velcro and accepting it receiving the puck. These are on shots where he has clear view from outside the slot area. That's how you measure a goalie with rebound control and I'll tell you what, guys, we're going to watch Stolarz tonight. If these are coming off of him, those are the red flags where you're like, okay, he doesn't have his timing. He's not seeing

it right now. Pucks are coming off him that should be kept. So any shot where he has clear view tonight, Stolarz, on any shot that he has clear view outside the slot area. That is a puck that's not just stopped. It's controlled the top five guys from worst down. Ottinger in the first round. Well, I said 30 Stolarz with 26 Mackenzie Blackwood who's out Kemper who's out and Markstrom who's out. So if you look like a goalie where you're kind of blocking more shots that you should be

coming down with, and that's the key you want to come down with the puck if it's coming at your body, which is your biggest receiving surface, you should be coming down with the puck. If it's a puck that's at your glove, it should be squeezed like you hear in the NFL if it's touching a receiver's hands, they expect to catch there. What you do from your goaltender as well. So I'm going to be looking for that tonight because that was

something where I was a little iffy on stole ours during the Ottawa series. Okay, just to stick with stole ours for a second here. Where do you attribute that to? Is it mental? Is it physical? Is it a guy that's never been there before? And there's a stress factor here. Has the last few days been enough for you to reset?

Would you have ever thought about Joseph Wall in game one? Where do you want to go? I didn't think about Wall until Sammy texted to me, and I was pretty quick to say no to that. And then I spent the next two days looking at certain things and now I'm kind of on the fence, which means there's a leash here. It's not a short leash, but there's a leash here. Well, let's pay attention to it. I'll start with making sure that he has his timing. If he

has his timing, he's going to be able to move out of his save. If he is not receiving the puck on the first save Well, he will end up on his stomach or on his ass both of which are bad news or the side Which is also bad news, especially for a big guy So if he's coming down hard with the puck making contact tracking down Moving out of his safe being able to recover and keep his play. Those are all very good signs Rebounds the ones that I just discussed should not be coming out. All plays that are at the point, he should be able to battle long enough and fight because that's where the real battle in this game is. Nobody had more screens last year in the regular season

than the Florida Panthers. They're a net front team. They're down there. So it's going recover pucks better than year. First in offensive pucks this year. First in the offensive zone coming So they're going to keep going to be a real posess

If if they have that ozone he guys you know he's 240 pounds he's got to beat the past that's his game explode off the past stop or stop if it's below the goal line is going to be down in the reverse over and over look if I'm Florida that's what I'm trying to accomplish with a big guy to wear him down it's it's a boxing match so yeah I'm going to be watching closely and I'll be available by text. I'll let you know my thoughts.

Sounds like a lot of work doing all that pushing. I'm exhausted just listening to you. So we talk about it. It's you know, it's the it's the rule of the game for these guys at this stage guys. The harder you can work and the smarter you can work before the shot the easier it's going to be. That makes me feel like wool should get games for them too, because it sounds like it's very tiring to play Goal tenor I've told you boys 300 shots during the game during practices believe me

I'd say it wears on you all season long So we talked hella buck and then said how's the guy across the ace from him just talk stole ours How's the guy across the ace from him? What are your thoughts on surrogate Bobrovsky right now? Come on. He's getting old Come on Valley give us he's too old. All right. Bob goalie Bob. Here's what I've got for you. Over the gloves. Seven of 11 in the first round over the hands. All right. Now here's where it's hard because you need a little bit of time and space to get these chances to Tampa only had 10 time and space

chances from the slot area in the first round against Florida, it's not easy to get freed up against these guys that's the challenge it's not just about getting the bob it's can you have the ability to elevate now take this into consideration because I went through this last week. I'm a left-handed shot. When I'm out shooting on the goalies and working with them,

I don't wanna be out there shooting. I wanna train them. I have a righty and typically a lefty that I hire to come out and shoot on these guys. Well, my lefty doesn't show up and we've gotta do one-timers from the left side of the ice on a pass from below the goal line. The drill that we do is the first three shots are five holes so the goalie gets

the timing. The second group of three are anywhere. I'm trying to elevate the puck. Nobody's on me. Nobody's defending me. I'm trying to elevate the puck. Well, it's funny because it dawns on me that it's not that easy just to elevate it. Like, I'm trying to get it up and it's my using the wrong stick. Do I not have the right posture? I was trying to get the puck up. When I'm trying to get it up and it's my using the wrong stick. Do I not have the right posture? I was trying to get the puck up when I'm seeing a scoring chance right now in the NHL and it's a one-timer like the one I'm describing from low to high into the slot area. Sometimes guys don't get it up

because they don't have the skill to get it up as in the case for me or you just can't because people are clamping down on you. You can't get it up. The point I want to make is that if Bobrowski faces a shot that's on the ice that is not 5 hole you are just feeding into his game because he's going to stop all of those whether it's an east to West play it's a one-timer any scoring chance even a point

shot with a screen. They have to elevate the puck on this guy. Everything has to be up and over the hands. And if they can feel that early in the series, that's going to carry them with some momentum because it's going to be hard to get to them. And stay away from low blocker. Stay away from low blocker.

That's his greatest strength. He's got an awesome low blocker. One of the highest save percentages this year was low blocker. So stay away from it would be as much as my message as it is to get them shooting high. Let's touch base on the goaltending in Edmonton and while Winnipeg never wavered off of their number one goalie, Edmonton did with success. So

where is Pickard's future now as a number one goalie in Edmonton? Yeah look it could be it could be short-lived right because Vegas I think is gonna be a handful for the Edmonton Oilers and I think it's gonna be a terrific series. I think it'll be maybe even an easier series for Aiden Hill. I thought Minnesota was outstanding. I thought that they took shot quality to another level. They didn't give many feelers. When you play against the Edmonton Oilers,

they actually do shoot the puck a lot to try and get it back. But in that case, it kind of warms the goalies up. As far as Pickard goes, look, I think that Edmonton with what they are allowing against, they are gonna have to be the only team that is in NHL history, I think we could say, that is gonna have to outscore their defensive deficiencies all the way to the final. I don't see it happening. I see Vegas taking this series. I think it's gonna be too much for Pickard because Edmonton just isn't even close to what they were doing defensively last year. Check this

out too, right guys? The goals that are going in right now are at like an all-time high. The save percentage in the first round of the playoffs, I don't know if you guys saw this today, it's 894, right? 894. The regular season safe percentage was 90, right? When I started working at MSG and doing the TV gig was 2014-15. The safe percentage was 915 and I remember us always talking about reducing the size of the goalie's equipment. We even went on the ice once for a hockey night live show that we. And I took the tops, the two inches of my pads, down. I cut them off. I sacrificed a pair of goalie pads for this episode

because I wanted to prove that the timing was perfect at the time where receiving a shot that the goalie could see wouldn't go in unless they were almost forced to go down a little earlier because they didn't have such big pads protecting their five holes. I'm trying to say that their timing was impeccable. It was perfect. And what we're seeing right now with the increase of the east to west, which we've talked a lot about over the last five years, it's gone up 41%.

The one big one that I saw in this first round was broken play goals. Up 31% from last year during the playoffs was broken play goals. Up 31% from last year during the playoffs, broken play goals. Now, if you remember the goal that Minnesota scored, it was Hartman on the half wall, Kaprizov was at the far post, and he didn't throw it on net at Aiden Hill. He threw it six feet away from the net,

but across the crease, and it went off Kaprizov's chest and in We've seen a lot of those broken play goals by design coaches refer to this as aiming for I can't even use the word because we're on television, but let's just call it poop poop pile That's what it is and there that's the message in the room and it's if the goalie can see you and you can see him Aim to the pile at the side of the net and the most dangerous uncomfortable miserable feeling is when a player like the Hartman example or goes to the corner and just throws it wide and I mean wide net front not on net

Part of the reason why? Winnipeg scores the way they do last night I know it's a missed shot, but it does get to that net front six feet away from the net. Guys, those are a nightmare, and I think that that's a big reason why we're seeing these plays end up in the back of the net more frequently. In the first round, we saw Bennington give up seven broken play goals. Hellebuck gave up seven broken play goals. Hill gave up six. Oughtonger six.

Kemper six. Last year in the postseason in the first round, Vasileski allowed five, but then nobody else was in that same neighborhood. There was a couple threes, couple twos, but I mean it's a big increase and people are doing it by design. So it's really is, we're talking about changing the game and then back to Florida just in how it relates to how they create offense. I think this is important too because we've seen a spike in shooting percentage off of the four check.

Right now, the best way to score in the playoffs is creating off the four check. The shooting percentage is 22.4%. And it's because teams are getting in, they're getting you early and you're losing your structure, and then they're zipping you east to west. And that's one area That's going to be really important tonight in this game is not allowing florida to get in on their four check

Is is the cycle making a comeback the pinwheel bring back the sedines? Yeah, you know what i'll i'll tell you what guys when it comes to goal scoring I am astonished at how little comes from out of corner right to net really like yeah like great days Just don't everything it's almost like the cemetery in there Everything dies if it doesn't get out quickly and I've heard coaches refer to that as the cemetery So Logan Thompson Washington versus Freddie Anderson. We don't have to really but what's the update on Freddie's Freddie live? Freddie's good to go. He's good to go. He's good to go

He's good to go. He was on with Gord Stalick this morning. I caught it You're a cover from the nudge. He was He's good. He's good Been on the ice he said and Yeah, it sounded like he's really well. no, he's never really sounded excited in his whole life, but for him it was excitement. Hey, speaking of guys that folded like a cheap suit in the first round, how's your boy Allmark, Sammy?

Oh my God. Thanks, Valley. I needed that, buddy. So let me get this straight. He wanted to go to the World Championships with Sweden, and they said no. No, I didn't hear that. No, you didn't hear that? I did hear that.

I didn't hear. Yeah. Will they have a couple of the Swedish goalies? Well, knock one out if, like, he's an eight and a half million dollar goalie. That says a lot. That says a lot right there. I don't know.

I can tell you one thing. Sammy, so I'll share this with you guys. Sammy was nervous during the game, right? So he's texting me and he's trying to get a feel for if I think Al Mark's gonna pull this off. And I just told Sammy, I was like, Sammy, he wants it to be over, just relax. He wants it to be over.

He was right. I mean, he said he's gonna steal one and then he's gonna want it to be over. You couldn't have nailed it more. So thank you Valley He was cursing you in text to me when he was stealing one though. I did get those texts I want you to do this just so I want you guys to know this for the future When you look at the third goal of the game winner Clevin skates through all mark and his hand is still out there trying to let everybody know that he was screened after it went in

It's the biggest poser move of all time, you know, like just holding it out there. Just let everybody know that he was screened after it went in. It's the biggest poser move of all time. You know, like just holding it out there, just letting it marinate. It was like a three second count. Don't sugarcoat it on our show. Tell us how you really feel. Yeah, I know. That's why I always get myself in trouble. You certainly do. And it's no better place to do it than our show.

Thanks, buddy. Valley, great stuff on a Monday, buddy. Enjoy the second round and we'll we'll speak next week. All right, boys. Valley, great stuff on a Monday, buddy. Enjoy the second round, and we'll speak next week. All right, boys. Enjoy. Take care. Appreciate it, Valley. Thanks a lot, man.

The one, the only, Steve Alliquette. 11 more goals than expected for Hallibag. 11. You shouldn't give up that man. You surprised his feelings on Stoller's, dropping a little bit of the energy that he's Accustomed to seeing I've been a Stoller's guy guy. Yeah, it's the first game of the first preseason game I loved him so but I totally see where he's coming from

But you gotta give him the benefit of doubt to have to start that's kind of where we're at is like I would like to see we'll get in and he's fresh and all that but you just have to go with the guy who won you a series Yeah, like I guess you've mentioned this so maybe it doesn't matter, but I just think the perception of Going to wall in game one of this series and having it when you don't think this could happen But having to be putrid and then the question is what do you do? Why did you do that? Right, but you think that I wouldn't that shouldn't matter. That's what you're gonna say I just think you're you're the coach and you have made your decision. You gotta live with it your your

Your part of your job is to Forecast some of this before it becomes a story Yeah, that's literally your role. It's the guy, you're in the line of fire. You're supposed to get ahead of this. And if you feel like it's coming on, and that's part of the feeling of Hellebuck, like to have left Hellebuck in on so many occasions,

including two other bad blown games by him, is something that could have easily come back to haunt them. Yes. And it didn't. Good on them. Move on. He gets the ultimate career saving mulligan. Bail out.

Bail out. Key it up again, son. Have another one. Where is he today if they lost 3-2 last night? Oh my God. I don't know. If you're Winnipeg, are you doing like the, can we trust this guy? Do we have to trade him like what?

What's becoming of that? That's all that's going on in Winnipeg today if they found a way to lose well, they didn't and he gets another chance at Dallas said that Nick Ehlers rules and Valley mentioned that the Blues Didn't I mean they look like a team that gave up a soul crushing goal to end that game Like they had a couple of dominant a couple moments in overtime where it felt like they made a chance But they just didn't have the they got the punch and like I know Kevin B X had touched on this But my first thought was like those stupid icings like when did I see oh my god like Having as casual as a beer? Right.

What is going on? They flip that one out for his teammate to skate on too, and the game's over. But he takes a shot, ices the puck. Yeah. Eventually, there's set plays. There's set plays off of losing a draw. You have a 50-50 chance, if you've

got a decent centerman, maybe a little bit more, of creating a set play off a face-off in the offensive zone. That is a gift to you. Why would you give that up so easily? This has gotta stop, I don't get it. Leafs are really guilty of it. They're pre-programmed that you shoot now, you shoot now. And it's like, no, no, no, you're trying to win the game and

if that involves a you know a minute and a half take a shot. Byfield said today he's gonna be thinking about all summer what happened. So maybe he should have cleared it. 1.8? 1.6. 1.6. 1.6. Like you couldn't, over the course of 60 you couldn't have found another way to burn 1.6 off the clock. You left it on the clock or it's a note would it come I boards and out would have done the trick I can't imagine what those guys are feeling like today that's just that there's no worry that's way worse it probably doesn't feel as bad when you didn't think you had a cup shot sure you know like let me tell you as a fan of a cup shot I don't think st. Louis's oh

they had a cup shot no I'm telling'm telling you, they're right in there. All right. That Bennington. He was great over time. He was fantastic. That goaltender could have given you a chance against Dallas or Vegas or Edmonton. I'm telling you, St. Louis was right there.

You blew it. I kind of wanted the Canadian goalie to get it. Of course you do. I did. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no I'm Canadian team over Canadian goalie. I'm really hoping that Connor Hellebuyck can build on his incredible first round all the way to starting for Team America in the Olympics next year. I'm really hoping for that. anyways it's game time presented by bet three six five visit the app for the stars and find out why it's Ever ordinary at bet three six five. That's 19 plus on terror only please play responsibly So the four series are set as we know and the series and numbers the Carolina Hurricanes are

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underdogs going up against the Dallas Stars who are minus 170 and boy they seem like they could be a bit of a wagon. Niros coming back. Getting Jason Robertson back that's a maybe not the team you want to face. Anyways that was game time is it about about 365 visit the athlete's side to find out why it's never ordinary at bet 365 plus 19 plus Ontario only please play responsibly okay we'll catch our breath pay a few bills and when we return plenty of NHL news and notes including last night one of the biggest breaking news during the Winnipeg st. Louis game was John Garrett

announcing that Sydney Crosby's going to the World Championships It was a remarkable moment or John was just like yeah, this is happening Broke the news. I'm just like yeah that is It is an interesting fact I love it LA Kings need a new general manager nice scoop there scoop see and We still got gotta get into... Rantanen. Rantanen, which now may be regarded as one of the more memorable worst trades in NHL history. Doesn't usually come back at you that fast.

We will get into that when we return to Real Kipper and Born. in NHL history. Doesn't usually come back at you that fast. We will get into that when we return to Real Kipper and Born. Get your podcasts. program Nick Kipris, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee. Think Mark Messier's got enough material for his game seven production company. Wow. Good call. Okay. Miko Rantinen. What's what are they saying?

The moose is on the loose was the phrase. 11 points in the last three games? First hat-trick in the third period of a game seven in NHL history. The first thing I thought of when they closed the game out was like this is Marc Messier for me all over again. Just one guy to give you the feel that it ain't over until I say it's over. And no, he did not guarantee the win,

but that was the only thing missing when I compared it to Marc Messier's hat trick, which was not in the third period, and this one was the first one in NHL history in a game seven third period. This is like the stuff you wake up from a dream from and go, oh, I wish that was real. Like you get traded and have your heart ripped out over how much money? We don't know, but we don't think it was a ton. And they trade you to Carolina and Carolina ships you back to the division rival and you

do that to them in game seven. And now it's like they're talking about firing the GM. You know, there's articles I read, Araf Dean wrote one that said this should cost McFarlane his job in Colorado. Like you got revenge so swiftly. it's almost never been done before. That is the most like singular backfire moment maybe in sports history. Like, there's been tons of trade that are awful and have worked out bad for teams. But to have it be like that, like can you remember?

La Histoire do Hockey. I can't remember. Nothing like that. Nothing like that. They're up to nothing in the third period. The game was over. They had nothing going. And then Brandon splits the puck in two on the bar going bar down so hard and then it's

on. It's on. I know it's, I know a lot of people are pointing to Chris McFarland on this but Everything that I've gathered is that it does fall The decision to move ranton it needs to fall on Joe Sackett owning that decision Hmm, how come? He's the president. He's the one in charge. He's the one that decided that

We are better off without him than with him But then you're neutering all GMs and saying you're rendering them all lame ducks if they don't Can't make decisions and it comes down to the president. They can make decisions, but this one was one of the most important decisions and whether you're any other president, Cam Neely in Boston, Brendan Shanahan in Toronto, Joe Sackett, Stevie Iserman, the the buck stops with you. You want to trade a superstar for your team, that ultimately lands on the president's desk. And it just goes back, like all this loss does now for Colorado fans is wanna go back and go,

like what the heck happened here? That's how I feel right now. And it was the next thing I was gonna say is like, I need a 30 for 30, like a behind the scenes and like how do you do we're better without with that that's that's the ultimate decision that Joe Sackett made he did not feel moving forward that this guy true difference was a true difference maker and I think this is just a lesson for a lot of people and maybe Joe bought into this that he's not that good and we listen you watch him in Carolina and then you watch him early in Dallas and there are legitimate

questions like what's going on here but the ones that really believed that this guy was only good because of Nate McKinnon have no idea about these type of players and the effect that they can have on a hockey club this guy does not do what he's done for seven or eight years in Colorado make himself one of the best wingers in the game today, be at the peak of his career at age 27 and 28, and then fall off the face of the earth. No, it does not happen, people. It does not happen. And it's not because Nate McKinnon,

he's playing with Nate McKinnon. This guy went to Carolina, which he never wanted to go, because he was brokenhearted, man. That's not where he wanted to be. He had no illusions of ever being there longer than he had to be to get him to free agency. And it affected his play. Sure. That's understandable.

And Kip, this guy didn't have a year. Was it Chi-Chiu at 55 one year or something like that? Oh yeah, when he played with Thornton. Yeah, and it was like, that's not this. He had 92 points, 105 points, 104 points. If you think McKinnon helped him, okay, he helped him 20 points. Now he's a 90 point player, whatever. It's like at 6-4, 220. With 12 points in the first round, now up to 113 points in 88 playoff games.

So the 30-30 that you're talking about would go back and it would tell the story of a guy that never wanted to leave there and what he did to want to stay there. So what is it? McKinnon's number? Was that the thing they didn't want to pay him more than McKinnon? Quite possibly. But he had made it clear to them that it didn't have to. The story that I had heard that the agents set the market at 13 million, they stuck predominantly for the whole season

at Pasternak's number, 11-2. Your Pasternak, buddy. That's what they told him, 11-2. And he's going, Pasternak's underpaid, buddy. The agents are going 13 million. The agents are also saying low 80s on the salary cap when he signed, this guy's in the mid 90s, okay? The bars moved.

It's not 11.2. And then I believe that their last offer came in around 11.6 and now the agents are at 13 or Rantinen's at 13 on a fair market price for him. And then Rantinen got involved. He went back to the office and said, I am flexible. We can work this out.

And then 48 hours to 72 hours later, traded to Carolina. Oh my. The number he signed with in Dallas is 12. And I understand there's a tax difference, but give me 12.5. He would have signed with in Dallas is 12. And I understand there's a tax difference, but give me 12.5. He would have signed a 12 all day long.

I'm telling you. That is fireable to me. All day long, I can sit here with a straight face and look at both of you and said, that same contract would have got it done in Colorado. You know what though? You know what's gonna happen if that's understood in the dressing room?

You're gonna lose Nate McKinnon. Do you understand that it is understood? Did you hear Nate's comments after the game? So I don't know what we're gonna do. We lost to a team without their best defenseman and their best forward. I don't know what we're gonna do. That's-

And my best friend who- You know who they are like they had. I don't know what we're gonna do. That's that my best friend who's Had I don't know what you guys are gonna do Tray for said that help he is pissed. I'm late today is pissed You know it this that it's like franchise altering stuff because McKinnon is so competitive and he just watched the very guy that he needed stuff because McKinnon is so competitive and he just watched the very guy that he needed traded from his team and then beat him in the prime of his career. They were magic together. And they were absolutely magic together.

You know, you might have to do something in terms of making a change above him to keep him happy because if he is very as upset as I think he might be at McFarland or Sackick or whomever You don't want him to be like well, then you know you guys mess this up so bad I just can't look you in the eye. He's still in all honesty he He's he's underpaid at 12 of course he is he was underpaid. I was thinking that this morning to 12 again underpaid so Colorado I was thinking that this morning too. How is he again underpaid? So Colorado thinks,

get him out of the division, right? Get him out of the West. We're gonna send him to Carolina. He goes to Carolina and now he had no intentions of really signing there. They found that out. now they gotta move him. There's only two places he can go to, Dallas and Toronto. Toronto had the room and the Toronto had the assets. And for those of you that think that it was just

Mitch Martin or a bust, not true. Multiple offers, multiple assets were offered. You know what Ranton says? multiple offers, multiple assets were offered. You know what Ranton says? I'm going to Dallas. You know why I wanna go to Dallas? Cause I wanna jam it down Colorado's throat. I want them not only, do I wanna play them in the playoffs, I wanna go in for the next eight years

into that organization three times a season and they got to look at me Because i'm coming after them Those were his words In in a roundabout way. Yeah. Well, he said something when he skated by the bench too, which i'm sure was pretty Passion. Yeah damn That's mico Rantinen. Oh, I don't know if you saw or not, but Sid would have gone to the world championship.

Hey, how mad do you think McFarlane and Sakik are at Tulski for trading him right back into their eyeball, which they obviously intended not to do. Too bad. I understand it. You lost the, you let the asset let that you know what that is that's a lesson for every general manager you lose the right to complain about where he ends up it was just like the perfect storm that went against that looked like it was okay for them and then turned around and just bit them.

Sure did. I, that was amazing. That was an amazing. It is. It is a, it's a fascinating story that it should come out. Best game seven. It should come out in a 30 for 30. Can I, can I say though, I mentioned a little bit in the Leafs hour, the call on Jack Drury in the third period at that point of the game was a war crime.

Didn't care for it. Are you kidding me? It's game seven, he got a little tug on him, they both fall to the ice and you set up the power play and he shoots it in the net immediately. That was an insanely bad call. Yeah. Insanely bad call.

Insanely bad call. So it was Jack Drury you say, huh? Right. How'd they end up with him? Oh. Ouchie. As a reminder, this hour of Real Kipper & Bourne So it was Jack Drury you say, huh? Right. How'd they end up with him? Oh. Ouchie. Yes.

As a reminder, this hour of Real Kipper & Bourne brought to you by bet365. So I don't know if it's a, was a really well kept secret. 90 seconds. That Rob Blake and we're going to part ways. So Rob Blake all this time was signing one year deals, eh? Really? So, and it was always presented to him as You know anytime you want to spend more time with your family or go in a different direction you have that flexibility

So not sure We should be too surprised. Yeah, that makes some sense World championships. Yeah, mark Andre Fleury going he won't retire. I gotta keep playing hockey Yeah, Marc Andre Fleury going he won't retire. I gotta keep playing hog He said he said I went home the kids were a little crazy Next year, all right round two Toronto Maple Leafs, Florida Panthers right here on the network do not go away Enjoy your night. We're back tomorrow on the real kipper and born show