Real Kyper & Bourne - Vally's View: Sorting the Good and Bad Between the Pipes

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee look back on Monday night in the NHL, including Brock Boeser's buzzer-beater to give the Vancouver Canucks an overtime win over the Nashville Predators. Then, MSG analyst and CEO of Clear Sight Analytics Steve Valiquette stops by (4:21) to discuss Anthony Stolarz's play with a heavier workload to start the year, Thatcher Demko beginning to cool off, what's behind Dustin Wolf's early-season struggles, Europe's goalie takeover, and why Alex Ovechkin has been kept off the scoresheet recently. Later, Nick, Justin and Sam discuss Evan Bouchard's play leading up to the Blues' game-winner over the Oilers, whether the Oilers should bench him, and which team Brendan Shanahan might land with next.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

All right, let's kick it up here for our national hour of the Real Kipper and Bourne show in our regularly scheduled time slot. Nick Kipprios, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee, Jake the Snake Schultz, and Frank the Tank. Did I get that right? Yeah. So it's on me. Because Jake works for the Raptors, too. He does, like, in arena stuff during the games.

and he has told me I don't know thousand times that when the Raptors play a home game he is not here but he was in the building so I was tricked by that

but the Raptors play the Milwaukee Bucks at Scotia Bank Arena today you suffered the worst loss of your fan career 100% not even close and all is forgiven thank you

thank you at least until Friday until you're actually inconvenienced by it well we don't have a show Friday so wherever you're You're watching and listening, Sportsnet 360, Sportsnet 590, Toronto, we did that already. Yeah, we are.

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All right. We're going to wait on Steve Aliquette in a few minutes. But in the meantime, J.B., you were working last night for Sportsnet, along with our buddy David Amber. And participated in a couple of key games out West, including a thrilling finish for the Vancouver Canucks on Brock Bessers, a buzzer beater. It was a shame that it came down to overtime,

which, by the way, aside from the buzzer beater, was the single worst overtime I've witnessed in an NHL history. I wanted to not just cancel three on three forever. I wanted to put the Canucks in jail. You're with me on. That game may have changed my mind. It's time to go. It was, dude, they were.

Radicalized you. Every time they were in the offense. of zone, they passed it out of the zone. And not even on purpose sometimes. It's just horrible. No one only Sherwood. Sherwood was the only player in the Canucks who took hard strides and tried

to threaten. Everyone else was like, I get to have it and no one's coming to get me and this is fun. It was I should be saying that they were very good. The Canucks had a great game and it shouldn't have come to overtime. We'll talk about more specifics, but like, just to stay on this for split second.

This is your hobby. We can't name me a number. Name me a number. Name me another sport that we would change. Where? They put a second guy. They put a guy on second base and extra innings in the regular season. They do, but they don't eliminate anybody in the field. They should, actually.

It's not a bad idea. I actually don't mind that. Instead of a second two-o-fielders. That's fine. That's fine. But they don't take away a second baseman and tell them you're done. They don't take 35% of the roster and tell them you're done

and sit on the bench and watch. Yeah. No, it is unique. Listen, I loved it for a long time until it got ruined. But there's so much pressure in the NHL when you have the puck. Someone's on you right away.

You've got to find somewhere to move it. You never get to have the puck. And in OT, these guys are thrilled to get to have it. I swear to God, if I were an NHL coach, it would be my one thing is that shifts are shorter. Skate, hard, threaten in, get off the ice. Hughes is amazing. minute and a half into his shift and like resting on the ice trying to like catch his

wind well there's no other guy i want i think in three and three other than hughes i get it that's my number one pick in terms of trying to win but it's maddening the three on three league if they're starting it yeah he may go one overall yeah no kidding and um pd he made a great play on on the on the winner as well he did yeah they they won it out of the corner got it to besser not great job by brady shay all right let's welcome him in fresh off an incredible baseball run on the real Burnborn Show. Steve Aliquette, analysts with the Rangers,

CEO, ClearSight Analytics. No baseball. No baseball hats. No baseball hats. No baseball hats. Clean, Cod Valley.

Look that background. Oh, yeah. Right. Madison Square Gardens right here, actually. Ooh, look at that shot. Wow, that's an amazing green screen. Anyways.

So, hey, boys, I'm all in on the Js. I'm done with the Y's. I'm done with the Yankees. Oh, no. Come on. You're in?

I'm dead serious. The only games I'm going to next year are Jay's games. Okay, no one told you, they lost. No one told you they lost. You know what else, Kipper? I don't care. I love how they played.

You know what they are to me? They are the Florida Panthers. They're going to come back. I love this. They lost. They lost. They're going to win. They're going to find a way. They are the Florida Panthers.

They would have found someone to throw a punch when the bench is cleared. Hoffman wanted to put them in ties to restrain them. I'm all in. I want to let you guys know that they won me over. And I got to tell you, I didn't. realize how boring the Yankees were until I watched the Jays. The Yankees swing at everything and they don't play for each other.

They get home runs or they get out. And when I watched the Jays play, I was at game six guys. I was heartbreaking. I heard your show Sammy. Come on. Can we just talk about goalies? Okay, thanks. All right, let's move on. Okay. Let's let you guys know. I'm with you. All right, Bradley. Love it. We're seeing

race is incredibly close, right? First place to last place. And maybe when we really break it down, it's probably because the lineups are all kind of similarly built with, you know, a couple star players and then, you know, the mushy middle of your lineup. And right, it's hard to separate true stars from the rest of your lineup. Everybody's almost got the same. So what is the difference now moving forward here? It's got to be in that, right? It's got to come. down to a goalie that can hang in there, maybe get you 55, 60 starts and hold his own or not? Well, I think there's a fine line right now, Kipper.

It's like, look, you look at the teams that have regulation wins and nobody's winning in regulation. So there's points out every night. What I've seen is there's not really a sync up between the goalie playing well at the same time the team is scoring at five on five. and that's a problem for a lot of teams there's such a fine line in winning but you need your goal tending

to be playing well when you're playing well at five on five and that to me right now for most teams isn't working out the Rangers guys Shasturkin was lights out his first six starts his last four starts had been very mediocre and he wasn't able to win

for the team on his own and they bailed him out in Seattle the other night and he had a bad loss two nights earlier against the Calgary Flames and then before that against San Jose. So it's a funny league right now that way. I think that the team that gets goaltending at the time that five on five is clicking is going to be the team that kind of separates himself from the pack. So, Valley, we're watching the Toronto Maple Leafs last night.

Anthony Stolars helps the team to a win and looking at his numbers. You know, he's just below league average, save percentage. Is there ever a time where you look at a goalie's numbers and say, I don't care what those say, he's been good. I know you guys go so deep on numbers that maybe that void some of that. But as a fan, I think there's some times you're like, I don't care. Like, he's been good. Anything below 90? Anything below 90, you're out of business.

That's the way it is. You know, it's always been that way. And I think that any goalie go into the rink and when they see the stat sheet and they see themselves below 90, they're like, pissed off. You want to go out there and steal a game for your team. It's always been about giving your team a chance to win. Ever since we were kids, I'd hear it from my parents. I'd hear it from my coaches. As I got older, I heard it from my agent.

Just give your team a chance to win. And Stolar's had a couple of saves last night that helped give the team a chance to win, but he's not playing his A game right now. His A game, Borny, he explodes on the pass. When a pass is made, he explodes. Right now, he's getting there on his own time. I watched the game last night. it's not his game right now to me he's playing too casual too light too easy and when he plays a

stiff game where he explodes on the pass sets his feet and then he's attacking the puck that to me is him playing big uh carlson's goal that goes over his glove you know it's to me he's not playing big there playing big there would be going north with his fingers up towards that puck and he actually turns his hand over and takes a long path to it with a swing motion of his glove and he's just not playing big he's playing small for a big guy that's one of the keys i think is just exploding on the past you can get there and be on time but if you're early you get to have a bigger body illusion so the player looks up and doesn't see any holes he sees a big goal he's staring at him on his feet he's not doing that right now um you know i hope he gets it

back so again he's one of my favorite guys to watch yeah yeah valley if what do you attribute to that is it's simply a workload he's never seen before in the NHL? Well, I heard you guys talking the other day about how when he came off the ice, I think he had ice bags on both knees. You know, we talked about this before the season began. This is a 40 game guy, Max. He shouldn't be, he's playing every other night now. But, you know, Caden Primo, I watched his start.

He's not ready for the NHL, you know, so hopefully Joseph Wall is ready soon. At the end of it, guys, you need your goalies. to have a positive differential between what they're facing quality-wise and what they're saving you. And right now with Caden Primo, he's a minus six by himself. He's allowed six more goals

than he should have based on the difficulty of the shots that he faced. But at the same time, Stolars, look, I can pull us up quickly. I went through the league today, all Canadian teams. Stolars has the seventh hardest environment right now. So it hasn't been that easy for him either,

but he's not playing his best. best in a difficult environment. Okay, so you want to go around a few places in our beloved country here and talk to us about what Demko has been looking at the last little while? Demco, Demco, to me, is a little bit off, but I wonder if it's a little bit health. Now, he played under a very demanding goalie coach and Ian Clark for a long time. and demanding, I mean, post to post, reverse to reverse that move where they go down on one knee and it's really hard on the hip, ankle, and knee.

He seems to be going in lighter to his posts, and he also seems to be going down lighter. And going down lighter is a problem. He's given seven goals up under his pads. And going down lighter is a problem because it doesn't pitch yourself forward and you don't get over the puck as well as you can. That's one of his strengths. one of his strengths is closing on the puck. And it almost looks like, if you look at my necktie here, you know, playing in neutral is when goalies just make saves from right here.

But driving into a save is when you really drive down into the puck. And it looks like you're driving your spine into the puck. And that's good for two reasons. It covers the net better without separating your arms from your body. But it also sets you up for rebounds. If the rebound comes off of you or it skitters away from you, you're able to have your weight distributed on the right knee, and then you can get yourself across on your edge. His technical game is top five in the league.

I watched a lot of he versus Soros the other night, and you could just watch a game like that, and you could say, you know what, if you're a goalie, watch these two guys play because they play the right way. The only issue that I think Demko has is just playing a little bit light because he's still coming back from injury. That makes some sense. So, you know, I don't have, well, I shouldn't say this. Soon I'm going to be digging,

getting a look at some of your numbers, some of your fancy stuff. Yeah, have you gotten started yet, Borny or what? I haven't, Valley, I haven't.

I'm excited to get. You're watching the Blue Jays. I know. I'm excited to dig it on this stuff. Right now, you know, using some of the other more surface level stuff, Canada has had really bad goaltending.

Allmark Montembow, Primo, Wulf, Maryland, and Pickard. These guys are all sort of bottom 10 in, you know, goals again,

or goals saved above expected. I want to talk about, some guys who have been good in Canada. Jacob Dobish in Montreal has been very good for them. And Thatcher Demko obviously up there too. But Dobish particular, is he the real deal? Could he take Montembeau's full, you know, starting job there? It's a great question.

When I watch him play Borny, first thing that I would help him out with is get a different pad color combination. Really? Pads look narrow to me. Yeah. Do you guys feel they're vertical. Like vertical lines on pads. make you look skinny. Interesting.

And you know when you shoot on some goalies over the years, but it could be your own teammate. Back to Ian Clark. When Ian Clark was the head goalie guy in Vancouver, he insisted his goalies had like 80% white on their pads. So they look wider. And I think it's a big thing

because I'll tell you a quick story. I'm 18 years old. I meet Francois Allaire, who is Patrick Waugh's goalie coach, stay at his house for three days. I learned more in those three days than I learned in my previous, I don't six or seven years as a goalie at that point. Now, the first thing that he did, Borny, was we took my jersey off in the locker room.

And with my upper body equipment on in my pants, my goalie pants, he was like, put some pads here, add some pads here. I took my pants, okay? I took the girdle off my pants, and I added player elbow pads to my hips. I sewed them on myself. Yeah. So when I played for the Subbury Wolves for the Erie Otters, I had gear coming out of everywhere. The guys on the team would call me hip-o hips. You, you cheater.

If you're not cheating, you're not trying. Oh, that's how I got my NHL deal. You know, like, I had a really good year. Yep. But I would, I could feel the puck going through my arm and my body, through the seven hole, and I would just shift my hip out and just like bounce it off that elbow pad. But that's, to me, it gets a big thing. And I think that goaltenders and players can ruin a career with bad equipment choices.

Like, Caden Primo right now is using a stick that's way too long for him. It's never in the middle of his butterfly when he's in, you know, a butterfly. You notice how he goes down, paddle down a lot? He goes down and paddle down a lot because he's trying to get the heel of his stick out of the way. All right? So when you look at Dobish, I think that there's a big ceiling there for him to reach still because he's that good. But he's still doing some things. Like he's 6 and 0 right now.

He's in 9.30. That won't carry on, you know, forever. But when I look at him through traffic, he's. He does open up a little bit too much, or you know what you can judge a goalie where whether they have patience or not, if the shot is coming from the point, but it probably gets stopped at, I don't know, the top of the circles, and you can see the goalie going down and getting up, going down and getting up, but the puck never reached the net. And he still has that look, which is just a young look.

He's stacking all of his great starts together right now and his game overall, I'm sure he's very pleased with it. and I think the good news for Montreal fans, I even see more of a ceiling there for him to reach. As far as Calgary is concerned, I don't think there was a ton of expectations on a team going to any type of next level, but I don't think anybody thought they'd see a 3-9 and 2,

and it's mostly owned by Dustin Wolf here. I mean, how difficult is this on a guy that's still fairly new in the league and now has to carry the reputation of having a big contract? You know what? My junior days, I played every game. So it wasn't, it was never a thought to me about,

there was one year guys, I played 61 of 66 games. But by the time I get to the American Hockey League and I'm fighting for minutes because my partners are either Rick DiPietro or Roberto Luongo. I was always up against a first rounder. I was an eighth rounder. So it was always a battle to get the time. I wasn't a starting goalie full time

until I played for the Toronto Roadrunners and I didn't realize how much pressure was on the starting goalie until in the American hockey league, not even the NHL, until I had that load for myself and I really struggled with it. I fought it pretty hard for the first couple months until I settled in and it's a mental grind guys because you know that everybody's depending on you

and every goalie worth his salt wants to win for the greater good of the team. because losing is misery. And the one thing that Wolf doesn't really have right now, and they should use more, is Devin Cooley. Devin Cooley is a fully capable, ready to play more starts, backup goalie for him right now in Calgary. They've got to play them.

I know that they're pressed up against it because they're not getting their wins, and they probably don't even think they have a shot at playoffs. If they don't win their next couple in a row, probably have to win three in a row to get back in the mix. But the problem right now is, and you want to hear this stat, this is crazy. Time and space is very important for team defense, and it's also a characteristic of winning teams.

Nobody has given up more scoring chances than the Calgary Flames with time and space. They've allowed 178 scoring chances against this year with time and space. That's an insane number. Vegas, who has been the best team in the NHL at eliminating time and space, has only allowed 70. How can you have a difference of 108 time and space chances between the top team and the worst team? It's almost like they're in different leagues. Right. So you've got a small goalie keeper,

and he's vulnerable up top. He's been beaten. I think he's second or third most right now in the NHL for shots over his glove. But players have time and space, and they're looking at a lot of a net. If you're going to have a small goalie, you've got to play tight D.

And Calgary is going to, they're going to ruin this kid if they don't tighten it up. You're watching and listening to Steve Alicat Analyst for the New York Rangers, CEO's ClearSight Analytics. Hey, do you, but it happened to have like the top five, bottom five of time and space in the league handy? I'd be curious to hear them. Oh, that's okay. If you don't have it on you, I'd just be curious to see where the consistency is with the standings.

I don't know. I wish I could. It's just, it's hard on the computer right now. No, no, no, no. But I do know, surprisingly, Kipp, are the Rangers are the second best at allowing fewists. The Rangers are defending really well right now. Their underlying numbers are good. No, it's shocking.

Now, they're not scoring. They don't really have the finishing power, but their overall game right now is pretty tight. Like, this is going to be a great game tonight against Carolina. It's going to be kind of like a truth or a game. Let's see how legit these guys really are or not. It's going to be a game that I'm really looking forward to. New York City, best city in the world right there.

Look at the sun setting back there. I'm so jealous of where you're at. I also want to ask about a team that is high up in the standing this year and has surprised me. Anheim Ducks moved up or moved on from John Gibson, send him off to Detroit. This Dostal that they got, is he legit? Did they make the right call, giving him the keys?

Yeah, he's all the way legit. This guy's legit. He plays a game. I don't know if you guys saw this game last week. Carl Lindbaum, who plays for Vegas now, he's played two games. It's some of the European guys that come over. And I've heard this about the Slovakians and the Czechs.

Like a lot of North American goalie coaches, Borny are really nervous right now because those guys are working harder than the goalies over here and I'm talking about go on YouTube and find any video you can find it of training in Russia, Slovakia, Czech Republic. You could find these guys training over there and I'm telling you they're outworking us. They're absolutely more accountable. They're spending more hours on the ice and they are outworking us. And look, the U.S. had, I think it was one goalie drafted last year. Like there's this, there's been a huge

change. Guys, I played in the KHL because everybody over there at the time was playing street hockey. Like, they were doing skate saves, and this is 2005, 2006. You know, you fast forward 20 years and they've taken over the game. Are they load managing over there?

There's no such thing as load. Have they played back to backs? Exactly. Like, what are we talking about? I'm just telling you, I mean, I'm seeing over there. It's not comparable. And I think it's not going to get any better. I'm older than you. But when

did this start? You're a goalie. Tell me exactly when it started. That a goalie cannot play Friday and Saturday night anymore. You know how you should bring on the show is bring on Henrik. The guy loses his mind about this conversation.

Henrik wanted to play every game. The better he played, the better or the more he played, rather the better he played. He doesn't get it. I don't really get it. I mean, I don't even know what to say. I really don't. There was a, there's a small dip in safe percentage on the second game of a back to back. I don't think it's that substantial. Analytically, teams are choosing to do it. It's the same reason why some teams are choosing to pull their goalies with eight minutes left in the game. Yeah, it is a very

bizarre thing that's happening right now. So, to keep the theme on just asking about random goaltenders, last night we watched the Penguins, they're getting good goaltending. Jari and she loves probably a big reason they are off to the start they are at this point minus the third period minus yeah yeah yeah um their goalie coach there is a good friend of mine andy kiotto and i believe him what he does um i've known him a long time i used to train with him at the beatrice ice gardens at york university um all the way through his playing career i followed him i just i just know how dedicated he is and i know that he's going to give them you know everything that he can to get them over the hump and they're right there and look they're a team that's performing a lot

better than everybody expected and dan mus by the way guys i met dan muses around 2012 he was working for the chicago steel and i introduced him to the stats and all this kind of stuff from clear sight and he's a pleasure to work with and that guy nobody beats him to the rink in the morning and i think they're getting a lot of good feedback looking at the things that early on a team has control over defending the way they are their power play and how they're ripping across the slot line they've got a lot going for them over there

I think they're going to be sneaky and hanging around for a long time here oh really? It's going to change a lot of things that's happening with Pittsburgh their underlying numbers are strong too guys is there a team that has come out of the gate

that you don't think have sustaining power well the team that I looked at this week that I thought wasn't going to hang around born he was actually back to Dostall for a second And it's Anaheim. I didn't think that Anaheim, you know, as well as they're, they've got something good going right now. They've got a good energy.

I know they're playing well, and they've got something going for them. But there really isn't anything that I've been able to look at that supports that will sustain. So not that that's a team that's on everybody's radar because they're out west, but Anaheim's record probably is a little bit of a mirage. Detroit? Detroit, I'm not that, like, up on as far as day to day. I haven't looked at them in a couple of weeks. I can't really say yes or no

but I can text you later save it for next week there's one thing going on with the goalies that I think I want to talk about here if I got a minute and it's back in Canada it's Winnipeg because one thing that's always given me a hard time is hellaboxing consistency in the big games or in postseason

he's the top goalie right now in the NHL out of all the Canadian goalies the top goalie is Connor Hallibuck, he's also the top goal in the league. Dobish is second. And everybody else is playing well below where they should be playing, in my opinion right now. But Helibuck, the book that I showed you guys last week, Trettiak's book, I was lucky enough to meet Tretiak because one of my teammates,

his name was Dimitri Nabokov, not the goalie, but he was a first round pick of the Chicago Blackhawks. I'm playing with him with the Islanders. Comes in the locker room one day. He's like, Valley, do you want to? I want to go for dinner tonight with Tred Jack, and this was on Long Island. I was like, absolutely I do. So we go out for dinner. Now, I've already read his book.

And I said to him during dinner, I said, what have you been able to teach the goalies that you've worked with about playing by the eyes? And what playing by the eyes, there's a chapter in the book about it, he would look at the player's eyes as they're coming down the ice. And he would decide on a two-on-one, if the player would look at him and then look at the puck, he knew they were shooting on him. If the player that's carrying the puck would look at the potential passer,

then look at the puck, he knew that he was passing. And he explained this to me himself, and then furthermore, he was the Chicago Blackhawks goalie coach at the time. He said he wasn't able to teach it to anybody. But what I started doing, as I had enough experience,

when the puck was away from the net on the boards, especially the half wall, on the power play, I'd just take my eye off the puck all the way and just look at the player's face and start to read what I'm, options he liked, where he was looking. And the reason why I'm going here is because when I watch Connor Hellbuck, I feel like he's playing by the eyes during the regular season. But the areas that he's having difficulty with that you can't play by the eyes are screens, deflections,

broken plays from the point. And those are the areas that he has difficulty with. This year in the NHL season, he has 10 breakaways faced. Where's my Winnipeg sheet? Yeah, he has 10 breakaways faced no goals against 19 east to west passes like those back doors he's only given up four he's not the most mechanical or technical but he's the best goalie at reading the play how does he do it and this is a theory of mine i've not been told this is happening or anything like that but when i watch him play i feel like he's got a high stance and i feel like his head is always in a position that you could say there's a good chance that he's reading off of the eyes of the players that are coming towards So OV's stuck at 899, or the goal he's just now figuring out to watch his eyes?

He's got two and 12. He's shooting. You know where it really did work, though, was back in the day with Baxter on the half wall with him. You could see when he was looking for him. And it was a good little cheat to get a jump on the pass. OV last year had 60, like here's the one thing I want to say. You still need to have high danger scoring chances to be a goal score in the NHG. you're not beating goalies no matter who you are but with clear sight no screen no broken

play no deflection ovi still needs to get a pass across the seam he still needs one just like austin does or breakaways or two on ones like great a chances he's only had seven guys so far this season seven you know last year he had 65 so it just speaks to one thing that we spoke about a few weeks ago with austin he wasn't getting his chances you know if these guys aren't getting their chances, their great A's. They just score more than them. They score more of them than most, but they still need to get them.

Whether they get them themselves or they get them from their teammates, they still need to get them. And Ovi's just not getting them, Keper. Absolutely. All right, pal. Guys, don't shut me down yet. No, no.

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Morton's. Morton is going to come through for it. Oh. Here's the standing, boys. Here's the standings. Kipper 10. Borny 9.

McKee's falling back. He's got seven. Crap. Okay. What Toronto? I went all Toronto on this one. Okay. All right.

What Toronto player has taken the most low danger shots on goal? Because you guys talk about this a lot about playing direct. not really creating too much. All right. Is it John Tavares? Is it Austin Matthews,

Brandon Carlo, or Morgan Riley? Give me John DeVars. Yeah, it's John Tavars. I'll go, Austin. Austin, it is. What? Dipper, you're pulling away. Yeah.

All right. Damn. Next one. Where have the Leaf scored their goals from on net this season? So where in net location? Has it been over the glove, over the blocker, under the blocker, or five hole? have they scored most of their goals this season over glove over blocker under blocker or five

hole i'll go five hole i guess i'll take over the glove i think five hole actually hold on under the glove i think five hole nobody got it's over the blocker really 12 goals over the blocker this year most matthews one comes to my yeah the only five whole last night is just recency bias that's why oh that was so nice too right that uh Ryan Shannon played with him in switzerland and told me that Austin Matthews was the best five-hole shot that he's ever seen. He hits that just outside where the heel of the stick there. The heel of the stick. Yeah, a little triangle.

All right, what Toronto player has screened his own goalie most often this season? All right. Chris Tanev, Brandon Carlo, Simone Benoit, or Jake McCabe. This is where we need all of the above. I want Carlo. I got Benoit. This is a three-pointer. You better come through, Kipper.

Most Tanev, Carlo, Benoit, McCabe Who has screened their goal at most. Tannab's been out, so can't go TAN. That's a trick question. Oh. Okay, I'll say Tannan.

This guy's, I'll say Tannes. He's heating the grill for him. Yeah. Benoit. Yeah. Let's go. I thought he was going to trick. I thought it was a trick.

I had a tough day at the barbecue. Sammy's had a tough weekend. Yeah, thanks. Sammy, right back in the mix, pal. Valley, great stuff as always on our Tuesday. Thanks for doing this. All right, boys. Love you guys and love the Js.

I am all in. Hey, 97 days till training camp. Spring training, I mean. Can't wait. Steve Aliquette, everybody. Good luck tonight. Thanks, Valley. CEO, ClearSite Analytics.

Game time? Game time. All right, it's game time. Presented by Bet365. Visit the app for the latest odds and see why it's never ordinary. Bet, Bet, 365, must be 19 plus. Ontario only, please play responsibly. So I thought I'd do a quick check-in on the

NHL futures for the trophies. Art Ross, favorite is not surprising. It is Connor McDavid at plus 130. Nathan McKinnon, great value plus 275. He's going to be right there all year. The Calder Memorial Trophy seems like it's going to be an incredibly good race between Demadov and Schaefer. Schaefer is slightly favored at plus 120.

but Demadov's right there at plus 190. Next closest, would you like to take a guess at who it is? Plays on the same team as Demadoff. Oh, they got another good rookie there? Dobish. Dobish is 9 to 1. He's the closest one to those two guys. And then I will quickly look at the Hart Trophy.

McKinnon is the favorite plus 250, all the sort of same usual suspects. McDavid plus 300. Jack Eichel plus 475. Quinn Hughes and. there for me. Quinn Hughes is down the list. Where's my Mark Shifley?

75 to 1. Mark Shifley is still... He should be third. Hold on. You're all over Shifley this year. Mark Shifley is 150 to 1. That's what we call a value play in the business. Yeah.

So that's, I mean, I'm sure that will be like the, the, what was the one that we had? Oh, we had dry-siddle. Yeah, that was one that we probably should put some dough on. and the coach of the year, who do you think the favorite is? According to Bet365. Torney. No.

Okay. Oh, I was leaning the same way. It's St. Louis. Plus 600. Sheldon Keefe, 9 to 1. How do you say the coach name? I can't say. I never, I screwed up.

Turnier? Turnier. Turnier. I sound like the most. Trigney. Right. I'm the least French guy ever. Hang up.

Plus 700, he's second. So he's right there as well. And the Vesnef trophy favorite is Igor Shisterkin at 3 to 1, Hellebuck 3 to 1, Jake Otner, 7-1, and Logan Thompson at 12 to 1. That was game time, presented by Bet365. Visit the app for the latest odds

and see why it's never ordinary. Bet, 365, 19 plus Ontario only. Please play responsibly. All right, let's catch our breath. When we return, a little bit more on the Edmonton Oilers, McDavid becomes the fourth fastest player to reach 1,100 points. But they're kind of limping in to November with a loss last night. We'll get J.B.'s thoughts who covered the game last night.

Cool. And Shani? Shouard. Shany talk? I also have an article up on sporeset.ca. That talks a little bit about the buzz around the National Hockey League. And we did talk about, I did mention Brendan Shanahan, who's currently, in the NHL office, but we all know

that's just one of those, I need something to do. Stop over. We'll talk a little bit more about my article on where we think Shannie could potentially be looking at. All right. That more when we return to Real Kipper and Bourne. Diving deep into Leaps, Raptors, Jays, and NFL. The Jady Bunk is podcast. Subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the national edition of the Real Kipper and Bourne show. Nick Kippreos, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee. We talked about Connor, great feat, 1,100 points. Absolutely. Only what, Gretzky, Lemieux. Like bossy, by one game, I think. Really?

Yeah. Gretzky, Mario, and Mike Bossy. Last night's loss bothered a lot of Edmonton Oiler fans last night, and it's... Well, the Blues had lost Evan Strait. They lost seven straight. The game winning goal is a really touchy subject right now based on Evan Bouchard's inability to get back in position to check, Puse Souter.

Yeah. And it's actually wild about it. Just actually went out of his way to get out of the way. Like not only is he not, hey, get underneath, box him out, let your goalie see it, like you're in this battle. He like steps away from him

like there's north and south magnets in the two of their pants and gives him space. There's a lot of people that have defended just the way he is. and almost to the point where you just kind of live with it and he's this scoring machine and he fits in well with McDavid and compliments of course Leon as well

and just this is who he is but after after watching that last night it's not just that but not all that's been all year it's been all year this to me was the worst I don't know no I'm with Kip because it's been turnovers and trying to make plays and misreads. It's okay to try to do something that doesn't work out no matter how much risk, reward there is to a situation.

The game's about trying to do something. And if it doesn't go, it doesn't go. But this was different. This wasn't just a giveaway. This was a guy that wasn't willing to get in the way or be in position. it looked like he didn't care. Unengaged? Unengaged? Unengaged? Unengaged? Is that right? Unengaged? Is that a word?

Dishengage? Is that correct? Thank you, sir. That's why you're the smart one. Not true. Am I wrong? No. It's one of those things where it's like it's so hard to ever be like, well, he doesn't care. Because I think he does care. Just in his own way. I think. But his care and your care or his care and other players care, they're different. different. They are different. There's definitely just a different mental process for some of these guys, particularly the offensively talented ones who think and see the game differently and aren't always thinking about the same things. I don't know. It's tough to say cares, but that was bad. And so I saw him after a game or two ago where he'd made a bad turnover and he was like, I know I need to be harder. He was talking about like recommitting. And I mean, so. There's certain guys were the expectations after signing a contract.

I mean, it's had an effect on people. But, like, has he ever been, I don't think he's ever been as bad. Like, he's had moments, clearly, where it's people are infuriated with him. But I don't think it's ever been this bad for this long of a stretch of games. Like, because the contract. It's been a uniquely bad run. Is that a factor? Maybe.

You know, there's also this element of, like, Kip, I'm sure you played with guys who were drill records in practice. Like, they just don't see. the flow or understand the development of certain things. Maybe he's a guy who just doesn't. Yeah, there are guys that, but then it's like, who are you? Are you one of the stars? Are you a top nine guy or you, a fourth liner? Can wreck the drill.

You can't wreck the drill. Who can get away with it and who can't? And then it becomes of... And he's been allowed to get away with it. He's been allowed to get away with it. So now it's starting to fall on head coach, Knoblock. in terms of, like, you need to hold this guy responsible? Thank you.

Accountability, responsibility. Less ice time. Less ice time. Hey, how about a healthy scratch? How about? So, wake up call. So here's the thing. The Oilers plus minus, like,

Wallman is right now plus five, top D, and then dry side all, plus four. Bushard's dead last, minus nine. So, like, it's a thing. You know, like he's hurting. He's a big reason their start has been slow. Or again, a good hockey player who's just making some insanely boneheaded decisions in a tight pack of games. Tonight against Dallas.

It's a tough game. Yeah. I'll tell you what. It's a tough lesson, but I would think about not dressing them. I don't care. I mean, I'd rather lose with guys that would actually try to fight. and fight for battle, positioning, block a shot, but not that.

I'll take anybody that won't give me that. How do you think that goes over with the Oilers? But here's a similar question. It's not going over right now with the lack of maybe... It starts with your head coach. I just meant like the team, not like the coach making that decision. Yeah, but it's it's accountability. Yeah, fair enough.

So, you know, you talk to coaches and say, nowadays, often the players have more term than you. They make more money than you. You don't have many tools at your disposal to enforce accountability aside from ice time. That's like the one big thing you have. But I feel like we sit in here all the time and say, this guy should get sad out or that guy, whatever. It almost never happens. Can you still scratch players in the NHL today, stars? Because maybe we're dinosaurs on this.

I don't see anyone doing it anywhere where we come in here and go man Ovi got scratched last night I know Ovi got bumped to the third line but like you know we don't have a day where we go yeah they just said it was unacceptable from Barzell got scratched you missed the practice

yeah that was a alarm clock related incident you missed the team but it doesn't matter like alarm clock not blocking a shot not working hard yeah breaking curfew it's all the same it's like your priorities aren't right right that's what it is it's your it's a priority thing

it's not a split hairs on what's more acceptable than others it's like no you expect to be a pro and that's lose a battle that's patrick wah too right patrick wah yeah shanney uh i wrote an article today in sportsnet dot cae give it a give it a shot to take a quick look here but it does talk about Brendan Shanahan and some teams that may be in a position to look for some help and I've got Buffalo of course right there in terms of perhaps not that necessarily Kevin Adams is in trouble

or Barry Trots is in trouble it's just Didn't they bring in Yarmo too there? Yarmo but Yarmo like I don't think he's in a position to be what Brendan Chanahan has done the last 10 years. No, I'm just saying in Buffalo when you're talking about, didn't they bring in a hit? Yeah, they did.

But they certainly could use some more help. So I've got Chicago, Buffalo, and then Nashville, to me, will be very interesting guys because this is the second consecutive year. It looks like it's really going south here. And probably could use an extra set of eyes somewhere. But we know he's in the NHL office right now,

watching games, but we also know that he's looking for opportunities. Yeah. Interesting group there, right? Like, I feel like an organization like the Buffalo Sabres could really benefit from someone who's been a part

of, you know, the Leafs who do it all first class and he's got the experience. That makes a lot of sense to me. So is this going in as a president role? It would probably it's really hard for a guy like that to go backwards. Yeah. right and what even is there like be a GM or something like that yeah yeah probably yeah so

um if i may prefer to not be in the division maybe subgrade well i think it would be i think it'd be nice add to the rivalry well sure like yeah from a narrative perspective but you know i think that got pretty ugly at the end here but you did the leaps were a joke when he took over and they're I guess they're a joke for a different reason when he left. But, like... There's a decade of being a very good team. I think Buffalo was a decade of making a lot of me. And just did a lot of great things in terms of reconnecting alumni.

I thought their logo switch and everything was really good. And the organization was really well run. That's what I mean. Like, they didn't have some results that we all liked. But, like, he did do a great job. So, yeah. Also caught my eye in the article talking about the Pittsburgh Penguins. There is some mystery whether this team will be sold or not.

and that factor also lives GM Caldubis in a bit of limbo not knowing who potential new boss could be or what their vision is. You still think Pittsburgh is sorting out from the top what they're going to look like. I think any time there's not a clear message from ownership in terms of what you're able to get away with, what you're not.

I'm sure discussions and promises were made beyond what the contract reads on a guy like Crosby it just seems like from that perspective there might be some unanswered questions for Kyle Dubus now moving forward especially with where is the team

you want to take another crack at making the playoffs or going deep or we really got to focus on the next two or three years also in there are Tammy Panarin his future and with the Rangers is not certain, he doesn't want to take a pay cut? No pay cut. No, no pay cut. Well, I mean, you're seeing every good player get a billion dollars.

Why would you take a pay cut? Here's the thing, though, like for him, like, well, if they want to pay him less, I think it's like, do you want to live in New York City? To me, there's some priorities. Sure. He's made $90 million. Where do you want to live? Are you concerned about winning a cup?

There was the Elliott tweet that was like Panarin, he's going to take whatever the biggest deal he can get is. And I said, yeah, with all his cuffs and so little money, of course, you know, being sarcastic. It's like, does this guy not have any other priority than just, you know, I'll do it for $10 million instead of $11 for a chance to win a cup or for a chance to stay in a city I love? Or it's bizarre to me when guys are just like, only money. And the old days, he's such a Florida panther. He's got the no move. Yeah. He's got the no move.

So it's really shaping up, I think, too. You don't want to sign me? Then I'll just stay here and play it out. and there are a team that missed the playoffs last year they don't want to miss the playoffs It's their 100th year You don't want to miss the So you know

Whether or not you want to move him And what you can get for him That's like a Pittsburgh situation as well You can move a few certain bodies But you're only going to weaken your chance To make the playoffs I know this will really excite you Kipper This is a story just for you

NHL announced that the stadium series Is going to the home of the Dallas Cowboys The league announced Monday that the Dallas Stars will host a 2027 stadium series at the home of the NFL Cowboys in Arlington. That's crazy. The opponent of the game on February 20th,

2020, 27 will be announced at a later date. Let me guess. Blackhawks. I don't know. But I do get... And new button. Bruins. I do get five home dates in one night.

I get it. Oh, they're going to get like 95,000 people of this game, 100,000 people. That's awesome. I mean, that'd be really cool. It's still a spectacle. It's still a spectacle. Yeah.

Who do you think they'll play? So the Dallas or Colorado? Give me Edmonton. Dallas Edmonton? I probably wouldn't draw well enough. They won another American market, but Edmonton would be sick. Any rivals? The new Houston Aeros franchise?

Oh, God. But give me Nate. Yeah. Yeah, it'd be good. Give me Colorado. Yeah, I guess with the rant and thing, too. Oh, yeah. That's the second one.

No? Yeah, Vegas is a draw. opponents. And I would like to see Dallas just wear their early 90s Mike Madano, Black Bell Stars. They got to wear some Dallas Cowboy. Oh, you're right. You're right. You're right. Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. It'll be a

10 games on Tap tonight. You got it. Games on Taft tonight. Here's what I'm watching tonight. On Sportsnet, Oilers, and Dallas Stars. Sportsnet 1 has Colorado and Tampa Bay. I'll be flicking back and forth between those. Colorado, Tampa. That's great.

Panthers, Ducks, give me Bruins Islander. Tampa going for their sixth win. Bruins Island is. Well, Schaefer's sex, so why not? Our thanks to Steve Valakette, analysts with the Rangers and ClearSight Analytics. Sammy, good job on the mailbag. Thanks, man. I got that name right.

Nailed it. What did I say? Heat the Grill. Heat the Grill. It's a new name. Enjoy. Brought you by Weber. Whatever game you choose tonight, and we're back here tomorrow to do it all again, four to six.

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