Real Kyper & Bourne - Vally's View: Starting Ingram Over Jarry in Game 5

Episode Date: April 28, 2026

New York Rangers analyst and CEO of Clear Sight Analytics Steve Valiquette (5:48) joins Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne to remember former goaltender and legendary Canucks broadcaster John Garrett before diving into the future of the Ottawa Senators' goaltending after getting swept by the Carolina Hurricanes, how the series catered to Frederik Andersen, 'dead angle' goals, the differences in offence between the regular season and playoffs, how the Canes have excelled in post-season goals, how Connor Ingram has struggled against the Anaheim Ducks but reasons to have him start in Game 5 over Tristan Jarry, and how the Montreal Canadiens can get past Andrei Vasilevskiy. Then, Nick, Justin and Sam McKee discuss the Minnesota Wild vs. Dallas Stars Game 5 and Ottawa Senators GM Steve Staios addressing Brady Tkachuk's future.  The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

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And love it when you give us a thumbs up as well. And before we get into Steve Aliquette on our. regularly scheduled Tuesday. Just the saddest of news, especially around here, where our colleague, John Garrett, passed away suddenly yesterday. It's really news that not only is shaking us here at Sportsnet,

but all around the hockey world, John was a wonderful person, a colleague here, that I started with SportsNet in the late 90s. He actually started a lot earlier as a broadcaster on Hockey Night in Canada. But on many nights working right beside him alongside Darren Drager, Scott Morrison, and we just had the best time. And knowing that John, who of course made and built a wonderful life in Vancouver,

would fly over and spend weeks and months on end covering the playoffs because we didn't have the national rights. We'd watch games all night, sometimes not go live till like 11 or 1130, and we just hang out and watch games with them. And I loved it because he was really smart, smart guy understood not only the goaltending position, but understood the game in general and how it looked in front of him. And maybe that's just another reason why the goalies are so good at broadcasting. And we've got one coming up in Steve Alicat momentarily. But he was a student of the game as well.

And I just loved and I learned so much. He was like a mentor to many of us at Sportsnet where you just couldn't get enough of them. and including his infectious personality. He was a funny guy. There wasn't too many times when he didn't come in with just an attitude at the end of the day. It's just a silly kids game. Yeah.

Well, that to me, that describes him very well. He struck the perfect tone between educating fans, taking it seriously, but also it is just a hockey game and he's light and funny and just really became a familiar voice, certainly of my own childhood and all that. and I know everyone who worked with him, loved him dearly.

Yeah, I mean, just some of the calls that are popping up on my, you know, news feed today and just some of the memories, he's just legitimately hilarious guy. Everybody that you ever hear talk about him just loves the guy. So we have this. A little corky too, right? Still had that goaltender corkiness where he's like, what goalie have you ever met that doesn't have that? He could eat without a fork, you know.

And loved ketchup, there was a big thing with ketchup with ketchup. Kentucky Fried cheese. on a Sunday. Myself, Bobby Torrance, who produced us. Oh, my God. We just had so many, so many laughs along the way. Let's play this clip here we've got. Yeah, we've got a John Shorthouse put together something that I think was,

it worked around him retiring from Vancouver's regional broadcast. Of course, he was still doing great things with us, including the Utah series with Vegas, where he sounded as good as he has for 40 years. And in short, he did a wonderful piece that we thought was real appropriate to play again. So let's have a listen. His days with the Canucks date back 40 years.

But for the last 20, my friend and broadcast partner, John Garrett, has been the voice and the brain who brings insight amid chaos, who strikes a perfect balance of, seriousness and fun and whose passion for the game is rivaled only by his respect for those who play his ability to communicate and to educate is nothing short of brilliant and his team first attitude is second to none whether applied to the kanoxie covers or the broadcast team he captains cheech greets every situation with a smile and always has time for an autograph a selfie a joke or a

story he's the every man who eats what he likes and nothing else he doesn't have time for a bad mood and he never puts himself above anyone at any moment. In his distinguished career, Cheech has worked with 40 different play-by-play broadcasters, and I feel so fortunate and proud to have spent the last 15 years partner with my great friend Dan Murphy and the guy we like to call our other dad. Thank you, Cheech, from all of us. It won't be the same without you. Yeah, condolences to Shorty, Dan Murphy, who they spent a long time together.

his wife Sharon, daughter Sarah, and the rest of the family, friends, our deepest condolences from our show. Well said. All right. From one brilliant goaltender to another one, as far as the analysis is concerned, let's welcome in Steve Aliquette.

Not the playing career. You know, the likes of John, John, of course, Greg Millen, John Davidson, man. They really opened it up for guys like you and Hank just to come in and just to own it right now. They really did. And you know what? Mine was Darren Pang, you know? And it's funny because when you're a goaltender playing the game and you're listening to the analysis of guys that once played before,

you listen a little more intently because you're trying to learn something about your current game, especially when they're sharing it about what you are or are not doing. And I think that that's part of, I just saw a panger a few weeks ago at Madison Square Garden, and I said, not only did I wear number 40 because you were my favorite goalie growing up, but I also got into broadcasting because I believed it was possible for me because you led the way along with John Garrett and John Davidson and so on.

I mean, it is a thing, Kipper. Shouldn't you have been number 80 because you're twice as big as him? Well, I told Panger, it's true story is the only jersey I've ever purchased was a Darren Pang jersey when I was 12 years old because we're the same height. And it was because I was watching Rockham Sockham videos. And I said to Panger, when I saw him a few weeks ago, it was because of the glove saves that he made in the Rockham Sockham videos that inspired me to go out and play street hockey and become a goalie. That's awesome. Yeah, there's a great John Garrett video on Twitter. right now of Mario Lemieux in a fight.

Mario's feeding someone and Garrett comes over the top, launches himself in there. Got a love a guy who, you know, competitive and all that and a great goaltender too. So a heck of a career in his part. Valley, where do you want to start in terms of the playoff performances, surprises or not? Let's, you want to let's talk.

Yeah, no, I think. I was thinking. I think we should. I think we should, you know. I think we should talk about that series, because I think it leaves a lot of questions out there hanging in the balance. If Allmark had us stunk it out, it would have been a situation where Ottawa is already looking for who their next goalie is. Not the case.

He led our expected goals model and goals saved above expected. He's had the most outstanding playoff with no victories. Now, I think the counterpoint to that is after game one, which we saw a couple of soft ones go by Allmark and that game. game. He was lights out and then as soon as you got into garbage time, the better he played. So I still wonder about how it's going to go for Ottawa next year with him and net, but that was not their issue in the series at all. So I feel like it kind of leaves Ottawa on a pretty hard spot. What do they do for next year? Do they still look outside of Allmark? I think they have to get somebody to at least be able to carry the load when he's absent

because he is prone to absence. Now, the series itself, I thought it played out pretty strange because Anderson was almost equal to Allmark in the series. He wins four straight. I thought that Ottawa played their game into Anderson's strengths. A lot of what Anderson was doing in the postseason reflected what his strengths were in the regular season. So his breakaways, I've said this,

before where Carolina has allowed the most breakaways in the league. I thought Ottawa was going to have an opportunity to score off the rush. And specifically breakaways in the postseason, we've found that breakaways do have that lever of momentum swing. So in the postseason here, Anderson only faced nine screens in the entire series, no goals against. He only faced six rebounds in the entire series, no goals against. six net front chances. That was it. Batherson had one goal. When I looked at Anderson's goal

saved above expected, it was a plus six. He was a minus five in the regular season, and he ranked 80th. So he was outstanding. His safe percentage in the regular season, if you didn't know, it was 874. Now, here's what I thought was interesting on the breakaway side. Ottawa should have known before the series began that Anderson's weak spot was the break. goal. Now, he had 20 breakaways over the regular season goals against, but only two of them were off deeks. Ottawa had five breakaways in the series. Four of them, they attempted to deak him. So they went right into his strong point, and specifically they tried to deak five hole. He had only been beaten twice off a deke during the regular season five hole all season long, and it was

against the Pittsburgh Penguins twice in the same game. So it's really his strong suit. That's where I felt like Ottawa missed the mark in the series. Their pre-scout on Anderson could have been a lot stronger. Carolina, yeah, last thing on this, Carolina's 146 breakaways against. I said there were 32nd, 146 breakaways against. Now, one last thing on Anderson because Sammy brings it up all the time. The games haven't gotten big enough yet.

Sammy's right. When the games get big, that's when he allows the low danger goal historically. If you guys remembered a couple years ago, the Rangers were going into the third period against Carolina, down three to one in game six, Crider had a hat trick. Well, one of those goals was low danger.

Last year, Florida, they had a low danger goal in the elimination game as well to eliminate Carolina. Here's the interesting thing about, low danger goals. Talk about swings in the games this year so far in the playoffs, guys. There have been 15 games where a low danger goal has been scored, where the other team hasn't had one, and the record is 13 and 2 for the team that scores the low danger goal if the other team doesn't. 87% chance to win right now this year in the playoffs if you score a low danger goal and the other guy

doesn't allow one. So, Valley, I'm watching Montreal and Tampa. And I'm watching a lot of things not go right for Kuturav, where it's like at times you're like it hits a blade, it gets picked off, his passes aren't as crisping clean. But yet he still takes the opportunity to pick something off the wall and just fire it at the net. And I just remember thinking to myself,

he's going to hit one of those, you know? He's going to, and sure enough, I mean, that's your low, percentage goal, right, on Hegel's redirect in front of the net, correct? Yeah, that's right. And Hegel, in fact, also had one. If you guys remember, he scored a long distance goal off a twisted rister against Dostall as well. Now, let's just be careful with how we, by design, categorize low danger. Low danger would be a clear-sighted shot from distance that's beaten the goalie. But when a player throws the puck from the corner, to the pile of players net front

and you get a ricochet that either produces a rebound opportunity for their own teammates or it goes directly in, although the percentage and chance of that puck going in from the corner is low when it hits a broken play, it elevates to a high. Because Kipper, there is no

worse feeling in the NHL for a goalie to be leaning to recover to their right to make a save, and then it goes off your own defenseman's skate or net front. Now, Let's talk about the overtime goal that we saw the other night when Anaheim scored against the Oilers. And Paling throws it from the corner and he throws it at net front. He threw it to the top of the crease, not at the net.

Now, I sent a picture on Twitter for you guys to look out just so we can talk about the dead angle. Because the dead angle is a line that goes from the back of the post all the way to the boards under the hash marks. So when players get into that area and they're throwing pucks, when you say net front, we're not talking at net, though. It's at the top of the crease. And you're looking to create off the pile. That's why those goals are so difficult to save. And that's why they're going in at a really high rate. One of the things I looked at today for you guys was the difference between offense in the playoffs versus offense during the regular season.

This goes back to a conversation we used to have with Benoit Aller, Before the playoffs, he'd sit Henrik and I down, and he'd say, guys, we've got to practice differently for the next few weeks, getting ready for the playoffs. We'd start working on ricochets, layered screens, because he said 65% of all goals are either going to go off a screen, a deflection, a broken play, or a rebound. That's playoff hockey. So one of the things I looked at here, fellas, was that broken plays this year in the playoffs, they are the number one chance that has gone. in more frequently and the chances are happening more frequently, as well as screens. Now, that doesn't surprise anybody, but when you look at the teams, and I sent this on Twitter for you guys to see that are scoring goals off broken plays, it's amazing to me when it's by design

because you look at Minnesota right there, Buffalo, Anaheim, these teams by design are throwing pucks at the pile either from the point or from the corners in dead angle in creating these types of plays that you can score off of. And the problem right now that say Ottinger is having in the Minnesota series

is he's over challenging to the top of his crease where his feet now are in the white ice so there's a lot of net behind him and anything that skitters to his left or right becomes a broken play goal. And can't recover. Can't recover. Can't recover.

You have the last game. There were two of them. And one was right off the N-wall. Can't get back to your post. So the issue that he's having in the series, the biggest challenge for him is being able to play between his post, but he's really got to get back to playing at the top of his crease with his toes rather than his heels. A difference of six inches is a world of difference for a goalie to find the middle of the net. You know, one of the things you've said to me in the past that kind of stands out with all this is, You said that Carolina is the easiest team for a goalie to get hot against. You know, as they move, but to me, they're kind of playing for this type of offense, right?

Like they throw it in there. They hope to hit shins and sticks and whatever. And, you know, I'm curious how it's going to square because it is kind of playoff style offense, but at the same time, it's a lot more low danger attempts, right? Carolina has more of the clear-sighted shots and less of the broken, plays, but they have more of the puck recoveries. They're always at the top of the list at recovering

off of their scoring chances. Because in most cases, Borny, it's like you saying to your winger or your centerman, when you're off to the sidewall like that, just throw it off Blocker and I'm going to go recover it in the left corner because I know it's going there. I mean, that's the advantage of shooting off a goalie's blocker. You're always

going to be first if you know it's going there. And it's not an attempt to score. Like, I had some great games against Carolina too, Borny. I want to say that been playing this way, this storm type of offense, I mean, for 20 years. You'd go into Carolina and I'd really appreciate all of the shots on goal. There were also times, though, where they'd be on their third puck recovery and you're getting pretty tired because you're defending in your D zone. And then seams are opening up. And I think over the last couple of years, they've gotten better

at hitting an east to west pass after they exhaust you to a certain degree. They're doing a better job of that for sure. You're watching and listening to Steve Alicat analyst for the Rangers on MSG, also CEO of ClearSight Analytics. Let's talk Oilers and their goaltending scenario. Ingram back in going into game four, game time decision. You don't usually hear with contending teams for the Stanley Cup game time decisions on two relatively healthy goalies. What do you think about tonight? I think it must have been a decision. It must have been a decision, not one that was clear cut,

because here's the thing. Anaheim right now, they are playing by design an offense that is hard for Ingram. In his first three games, the hard part for him were the rebounds. Anaheim has created eight rebounds in the series. guys, they've scored on five of them. Wow. And when I watched them, Borny, they looked the same. Meaning, I'm watching the video and I'm saying to myself, do we have duplicates of these?

Right. Did we watch this? Yeah. Like, I got to watch it again. Yeah. Now, when you're creating a rebound off an open shot, you're doing it typically from the circle because you're coming in off the rush and Terry's been great at it in the series. Carlson's been great at in the series.

They're just shooting off of his pads. I think they know he's not a mobility guy. He's got a bit of a look to him where he's heavy and heavy in movement and heavy to the front and getting on his stomach when he tries to recover. So they're just passing it off of his pads. And I think the most indefensible play of that series was on the power play. If you guys saw Granlin's goal, it was a deflection from Crider on a pass-off pad. indefensible. That's why I think there's still more offense to come in the future. In the years

forward, we're going to see and understand goal scoring another level. For instance, deflections that come from the ice when you are in front of the goalie, not to the side, but in front of him, it's a low danger goal because it's easy for a goalie to get behind that deflection, anticipate it and build a wall. But when you take a little off the puck, and you deflected off the goalies pad for live chaos netfront, it's indefensible guys. You can't even move out of that. So I don't even blame Ingram for that goal in particular.

But the others that were shots on goal where the Anaheim players, to me by design, looked like they were shooting 75 percenters, meaning 75 percent of full power on their rister, and just putting it off the pad and then having the guys going weak side post. Let's watch for that in this game tonight, because to me, it looks like this is something they know about Ingram. The problem with the Oilers right now, fellas, it's their second periods.

They've been out-chanced 15 to 5 in high danger chances in the second period. And Jari's start, I think the reason why he's not going again is because he gave up one of those crushing low-danger goals again as well. And I think that they know, Edmonton knows, that they can't afford to have a low-danger goal. goal with Tristan Jari and that right now, they need to have a fighting chance to get back in the series. Just one more on the oil, or the goaltending, and we just listened to Coach Nablach refer to going back to Ingram as our guy, our guy. He said it twice in a relatively short period of time, which is great for Ingram, but what would that do to a guy like Jari and, you know, your overall thoughts to hear that? I didn't personally, I don't like it.

I don't like it for no other reason is I still may need Jari and I don't want him to feel like he's any one of our guys is not our guy. You know, I don't disagree. I think that, you know, I went over Jari's video and here's what I see and sometimes a coach has a message like that because there may be, they've had it up to here and they're a little bit pissed off to. And why do I say that? because it doesn't look like he's competing at a high level.

The puck is moving around at the blue line. The ISO camera that's behind the goaltenders net, you can just watch his feet not track passes when it's moving up at the blue line. He is, in fact, Ottinger's doing the same thing. They're gliding backwards as the puck is moving laterally. And right before shots are being taken, they're just not lined up with the toe caps of their skates wrapped around the puck.

They're late, but they're late because of effort. I think that I didn't learn this lesson until I was 18 years old, and it was from Francois Allaire, who famously coached Patrick Waugh. I was staying at his house with Zach Burke, and he said, the harder you work before the shot, the easier the shot's going to be. And that changed everything from me. I went back to the Subbury Wolves, and I finally outworked and out competed the puck's pace.

And when you do that, the game starts to feel stationary. But for Jari, the game is always moving right now at a pace faster than him because he's off angle to start the sequence. Here's the thing, guys, when you start any sequence, whether it's in your defensive zone coverage or off the rush and you're not on true angle, you never regained angle. You never catch up. The game is just too fast, and now you're in motion and you get beat because of it.

Bally, the take you to the other Canadian series here, Dobish and Vasilevsky, has anything surprised you so far in the way that those two guys have looked? Obviously, they come from pretty significant, significantly different backgrounds in terms of success in the league prior to the series. I'll start with Vasilevsky, Borne, because I'm surprised a little bit on the pre-scout for him, because there's just so much information and there are so many goalie coaches for at least the last five or seven years

that have built a book on him. So even if you don't have the book, you can call a buddy within the league that's maybe not in the postseason right now. It's a thing. Now, here's what happens with Vasilevsky off the rush. You cannot be a shooter. When you shoot on Vasilevsky off the rush,

you are playing right into what Tampa Bay wants. If you watch Tampa Bay's deed, they like to slide. They're a D that likes to slide and cut the pass. This year during the regular season, the puck carrier shot the puck on two-on-ones on Vasilevsky 33 times, scored only twice. You're not beating them. You're not beating them straight up. You've got a pass.

All right. So you're looking for the pass early. If you get dots down, they slide and take the pass away. It has to be before tops of circles. Vasi likes to come out far. Pass it before the defenders stay. right before the defender's stick, quick pass. You can try and look for the triangle, the space between his feet and his, and his, the

heel of stick, but that gets a little more challenging. I think it's fool's gold to look for the shot. Off the pass, he has a 769 safe percentage. It's your best chance to score off the pass. The other is not enough shots, blocker's side. Based on net location this year, Vasilevsky had the fifth worst. safe percentage, blocker side, up and down the panel. They should be shooting blocker side more.

Another is netfront. We talk about this a lot with Vasilevsky. He had the fourth worst net front safe percentage, looking for rebounds, broken plays, chaos netfront. If Montreal can do those three things, understand his game off the rush, where to shoot location and then netfront, they've got a fighter's chance to do this.

I'm all in on Dobish. I had mentioned that the Hegel goal, I didn't like. It was a 65 footer with Clear View. But on top of that, I think he's in there giving them a fighter's chance. I think some goalies play in the postseason, a little bit like

Muhammad Ali. They're light and loose and they're floating like a butterfly. I think he's playing like Mike Tyson in there. He wants to bite your ear off. I like the fight in him. And I like what he's doing. And I'm inspired by him. And I think that he's going to take this as far as Montreal will allow him to.

Yeah, you know, there's sometimes though I watch goals that just don't look like typical goals he's led in in the past in the playoffs and I don't know Vasilefsky Kipper or Dovese Vasilefsky. Yeah Vasi. Right?

And you think maybe some of the injuries too? I know he had back surgery. I know there's some hip issues. Is there a chance that he's feeling a little wear and tear now? So I've been either on your show or listening to your show for five years. And I want to say you've brought that up several

times now, Kipper, which means you know more than I do. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, nothing. This is the part where you say, Kipper, you're full of crap, move on. No, I think you, I think I got up to talk to you offline because I don't know anything about the medical history. I haven't seen the x-rays or the tax kids. We got time for one more, just in terms of maybe a little mini in Dallas.

We haven't really touched on that. Ottinger, nice little comeback from a horrible game one. Yeah, you know what? I was going over his OT loss. And what I'd said earlier, which is he's just out a little bit too far. Now, here's the thing. It's always interesting. If I see something in the playoffs, I like to think that the team that's scoring that way, in theory,

knows this because they're using our data or they have a good sense of what's going on with that particular goalie, on and on and on. Or they're using their own data and it's in line with what I'm looking at or their goalie coach knows. he had one of the best save percentages this year net front. Ottinger did. The top goalies, this is interesting. The top goalies and save percentage are still currently playing. Top five guys, Vemalka, Vlodar, Dobish, Ottinger.

These are all top five guys. And the one thing that I noticed when I went back to look at his regular season video versus what he's doing right now is he's out a good foot. And he's got a backup. Now, in the postseason, sometimes with the congestion at netfront, you don't feel as secure because of what's hanging in the balance to stand on the old crease line. But, you know, I said earlier at six inches with his blades, that's a compromise because I can't imagine that he'd really want to do what I'd want him to do, which is get back to his regular season depth, which would be over a foot.

So I'd work with the goalie on that one and split the difference because he wants to meet the play. But he's finding himself too far out of the net. You could see it on the boldy overtime goal. He's way out in the ice. And here's the thing, guys. The middle of the net is the most important part of the net when you don't see it clean coming in at front from the point. To get middle of net, it is old crease line on a straight line across,

which would be a horizontal line versus trying to meet it. Even though you feel bigger, you're smaller because you're slower to middle of net. That makes a lot of sense, Valley. Have we run this too long? Do we have time for Valley? You got grill marks today? I definitely do. Sammy, how are we doing? Are we not good? We're good. We get the green light.

That's right. That's blowing off, Sam. Oh, yeah. We got time. We got time. Okay, okay, okay. So, star players that are golless after the first round, but have the most scoring chances. NACCHUS, Svetchenikov, Brady Kach. Brady Kach. You mean NACCHIS? Was that leaving me with?

Svetnikov. No, not him. I'll go... Brady feels like the clever answer, but I'm still going Naches. I'll go Natchez. Svetichikov had 17... Not of us.

Got it. Brutal. I was this close to going. He was on a T for you, but. Yeah, I was on a T. Especially after McKee's big week... I know. All right.

What's... Colorado. ...set his teammates up for the most primary assistant. without recording a primary assist. So this is the Scott Gomez stat where the guys weren't finishing for him on the back door. Mark Stone, Brandon Hagel, Svetschnikov.

I'm thinking you're going to do the last week. Give me smash. Mark Stone. Mark Stone. I'm not following you anymore. Let's go, man. Playoff player. This is huge for you, McKee.

What goaltender has the highest high danger save percentage so far this playoff? Sheelubs, Jari, Alex Lyon. Sheelops. Lion. Give me Jari. Lion. Oh, that's a big one. He's only allowed one goal on 14 high danger for a 9-29 save percentage.

Yeah, he's been a rocket. An absolute rocket coming in this series. All right. Yes, boys. Valley, great job, buddy, as always. See you're the best. Thanks, Valley. Appreciate it. Steve Alicat, always a pleasure to hang out with him on a Tuesday. Can't get blanked.

That's a lot of unbelievable information. It's just a content machine. The rebound stuff with Ingram I found fascinating. Yes. Like, that's a clearly great pre-scout. The Vasilevsky passed it on a two-on-one. Like, that's really helpful information. Game time?

Yep. Game time, baby. It's game time. Presented by Bet365, an official partner of the NHL, almost 19 plus. Ontario only, please play responsibly. I'm going, oh, crap, I'm not going to do that. Because I thought the game was tonight.

It's tomorrow. I was going to go to the Raptors, but it's tomorrow night, not tonight. It's a Wednesday. They've waited this long from... The NBA takes two weeks off in between every game. I don't know what's going on over there, but I thought it was tonight.

So I'll go back to the NHL. I'm sorry. We're going to try to get tricky there. Let's go to the Boston Bruins. In Buffalo tonight, Buffalo trying to advance to the second round, probably going to be a madhouse. The Blade gang could be banging the drum. They got Ryan Whitney and the Blade gang. They're going all out.

They are big faves tonight. Minus 165 on the money line, the Buffalo Sabres, plus 140 for the Bruins on the other side. I tell you, Mickey, it's tough to put a team away. I don't know, man. I find that that building is going to be a tough, a tough task. for the Bruins. Like, it's going to be unbelievable in there tonight. Like, think about that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it will be. It'll be good. And I don't save one already there once. But you're like, you're like, you're kind of liking Bruins here. Yeah, I just think it's tough to put a good team away. Boston's played with them outside of the one game, I thought, pretty close. Well, if they're going to get a win tonight, the Boston Bruins, they're going to need a David Passionat goal.

So give me a David Passionat goal tonight at plus 195. And that was game time presented by Bet 365, an official partner of the NHL must be 19 plus and Terry only please play responsibly. All righty. Keper, you have fun of that Jay's game last night, buddy? Yeah, well, listen, hanging out with you and JD, Bunkus. Yeah, I mean, one hit. I've never.

Was it actually one hit? Yeah, well, I saw one hit. They got one hit. Yeah, yeah. Sick. Boy, that JD can talk to. Oh, yeah, he can talk. Buddy, he's in the business for a reason.

Oh, and before we go, this hour of Real Kipperman, born, brought to you by Bet, Three, six, five. Okay, plenty to get into on news and notes as we finish off a terrific night coming up in the National Hockey League. Also, whether or not we've already had this conversation on where the potential for the Connor McDavid conversation could go with a loss. We know where the Brady-Kachuk conversation is going with them being eliminated. We've got some sites in the, or you got some sound anyways, coming off. cleanup day yesterday. We'll get to that. We got to talk Meechkoff too. I'm going to tell you. Tense.

Ottawa. Yeah. Tense. Okay. That's the word I would use to describe some of these clips. Tense coming up after the break on the real Kipper and Bourne show. The best Blue Js show out there, period. Blair and Barker. Be sure to subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in studio. Nick Kippreel. It's Justin Borer. Sammy McKee, Sammy McKee. Time now for the Accura Performance

Matchup, the 2026 Accura MDX, precisely premium. Looking at Minnesota, Dallas, game five. Dozy of a matchup. You're lying. What do you mean? You were telling me upstairs.

You're like, I don't... It's the jerseys to me. I'm very interested in the players in the sweaters. You put all these players in, like, Tampa Bay, Montreal, it'd be the most electric series out there. Pittsburgh, Philly. Sure.

Something about Dallas. I have trouble with... Okay. Tune in board. Dallas. I don't know. I kind of agree. But they're very good teams, obviously.

They're very good teams. Very. This is the eighth time the wild will be playing in a game five and a best of seven that's tied two-two. The record in game five's

in that scenario is one and six. So this has historically been a bugaboo for this franchise. On the other side of it, this is the 30-second time in Stars slash Minnesota North Stars history, which is also very weird that they're kind of playing each other. Right. The 32nd time, they've done the same thing.

They own an all-time record of 17 and 14 in those contests, but a 13-4 record when that game is at home. So this is a, what's it, a movable object, unstoppable force. Or something's got to give. Or no, nothing has to give, right? I don't know. Anyways, one team's really good in this situation. one team's really bad in the situation historically.

That could mean nothing. And Nick Flino tonight, if he scores a goal in the series after his brother Marcus, the Wild can become the first team to have a set of siblings. Each score at least one goal in a playoff series since when? Turn around and have a look. Oh, that right, the Sadeens. Yeah.

The Sadeens in 2015 first round, Daniel and Henwick. We know Hague's leading the league in goals of these playoffs with six. Jason Robertson quietly still like getting it done, putting the puck in the net. Which is funny, right? Because they didn't offer him a contract this year. Like he's still, that's still up in the air? They don't want to pay him 12 Schmill? It is.

He's got one year left at a restricted situation, which would put him in a sweet spot to take a qualifying offer, I guess, to retain his rights. Yes. Either way, a motivated Jason Robertson. That could net them $9, $10 million to walk into a free agency. That's a nice deal. I do that. Brady for Jason Robertson, call it into the league right now. Ooh.

Who says no? Who says no? Call it into the-O-Otawa. Ottawa says no? We don't want that? No, no. Ottawa ain't doing that. Boys. Okay. If he wants to leave. You're a year from signing him as a free agent.

For Brady, we're talking about two top prospects and two first rounders. Sammy. Okay. Anyways. Not one for one. I won't call the league then. Yeah. I thought it was a good trade.

Anyways, that was the Accura Performance matchup, the 2026 Accura MDX, precisely premium. Oh, what do we do when we were just creating Brady sales or trade pitch? is here, Kip? We're not doing it. The whole hockey world is doing it. You know, can we blame biz? Yeah. I think we can blame him for everything.

We're about to do it. So let's just do it. Can I tell you my sad buddy? Huck hanging out with him last night. He's trying to make the case for Brady that this is partially, you know, his wife's pregnant, newborn kid, went to the Olympics. The sort of year was just a strange year for him. He must have listened to Steve Steeleos this morning.

Is that right? How? Let's listen to... That was last night. Let's listen to the first clip on this, because they have multiple different clips. But let's listen to the first one. Steve Stales clip won on Kachuk.

There was a couple players we didn't get to chat with today, including Captain Brady Kachuk. Have you had a chance to talk to him before he left for the birth of their child? I did speak to him just before he had left and then just exchanged text messages with him. Can you share with us what that conversation was like? It was quite a swing of emotions for Brady. I mean, we'd just been eliminated and he'd rushed off and welcome him and Emma had welcomed their second child in the world.

So you can only imagine the swing of emotions for him. How important is maybe heading into this off season kind of having an idea of where Brady's heads at in terms of his future. I mean, this comes up very often. I don't think that there's nothing that we have talked about or thought about where that conversation should happen. Okay. Don't want to talk about it? So the next line of questioning was about the podcast.

And this is something that we've talked about on this show that I think all three of us can't stand it and think it's pointless. Well, it's not pointless. It's entertaining for people. I acknowledge that. And I appreciate that our sport, wants to get into the game, right? NBA podcasts are a thing.

Kelsey Brothers made one pretty popular while Travis is still playing. Okay. And to be fair, Sammy, this whole hockey world, the last, I don't know how many years now, has been pushing and pushing these players to be more outspoken and express themselves and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, so we're...

feeling. It's just not on the players. We've kind of steered them towards this direction. Where is to blame as much as anybody here? Okay. But also the podcast. No good. Let's listen to Steve Steele's clip three on the podcast.

The idea of a podcast. What do you like having a player this season with a podcast that created a lot of buzz around the team? I think you said a buzz around the team. I don't think it really created a buzz. within the team. Who? What do you think generally just of the fact that one of your players decided to go on this venture and have a podcast?

And in an era now where more and more athletes in sports have their own podcasts? I mean, I've never listened to the podcast. I don't really make much out of it. I think our players can do in their free time what they choose to do. We just want our players to come in and be committed. when they're here. And that's what Brady does. Sounds thrilled about it.

No, just that is a guy that's just scared to touch the conversation. Yes. Okay? And I got a lot of respect for Steve Stales, but if it's true and he's not listening to it, he must be getting a report on it or something. For him to ignore it and just assume that it has not. effect on his dressing room.

Crazy. I don't buy that for one second. Okay? But it's a sensitive topic. He's a star player. And I guess it's one of those things where I don't want to rock the boat. But behind the scenes, it has to be addressed. It has to be talked to.

And whether or not he has any influence on it, whether or not it continues, there has to be a conversation between him and Brady on it. You know, there's a lot of owners or GMs who just say, you can't do that because, you know, you had it for one year and they ended up having to walk back statements or clarify, oh, we weren't joking about our goalie needing time off or not being able to play back to backs. Brady did a sit down with it for playoffs,

whereas we've always believed in. I'm like, it did create something that had to be dealt with. And so, you know, I joke, podcast, thumbs down. I mean, the idea of having one for a player, it just creates, it can create issues. And it's a tough spot too, because if you want to do a podcast that doesn't create issues, the podcast isn't going to be very good, right? You're just going, oh, what do you like about this? Yeah.

It's tough to win as an active player, particularly in a sport like ours where the culture is very team first and, you know, be smirching a teammate. Major faux Last one, clip two on Kachuk From Steve Stales, Steve Stales clip two I've got a broader question for both of you guys But like, what is it like Trying to handle all that noise where

Like people online have their opinions of Brady And people are saying, oh, you might leave They should try to find a way to trade it. What's it like for you guys? Like being in charge of this team trying to manage that. Yeah, well, it's nonsense is what it is. And it depends on what week and what fan base it's coming from. So I don't read it.

I don't bother with it. We know what we have internally. We have great communication with our players. So we really don't focus on it. Travis says the... Until I come in here. Do we know if any of the players talked about it at all? Were they even asked about the podcast?

Like, I can appreciate them now going to Stales. Who's going to say anything, Ken? It doesn't matter. See, this is where you read, you read, it's, for me, I'm always intrigued on not what you say, but maybe what you don't say or how much you avoid it. And that's three-second pause where the guy goes, ah, it's okay.

Right, we're fine. But like. The old Sheldon Keith, the ones that they should be asking are the teammates to get a reaction and whether or not you could read into how they answer it. But they're the ones that ultimately matter, not Steve Stales at the end of the day. It's how it affects the room.

I hate to frame this question this way for a sense fan's perspective, but like what are the chances he stays? Not what are the chances he goes? Like are the chances good that he, all right, he plays their next year, signs a long-term extension, he's their captain to the end of, of his playing days, like,

don't see it. For five more years. Don't see it. But I also don't see it with, I don't really like talking about this because I don't like throwing stones from my glass house. I also don't see it with the captain of my favorite team.

So I don't want to really besmirch them too much. When did two years? When did two years, like, become like, the measuring stick on whether a guy goes or stays? Like, that's a, right. I get it. You got to be able to really truly understand.

understand what's going on here. Vancouver had a pretty firm grasp from the moment Jimmy Rutherford said on after hours earlier this year or last season. He don't want to be here. Right? That he'd like to be with his brother that started the whole thing, but you don't have to tip your hand.

Sign everybody to keep them. Yeah. Yeah. Whether you're Austin, Brady, or Connor. Or Connor. Or Connor. or Connor. You don't need to tip your hand to the team.

I've signed a two-year deal. Oh, will you sign after that? Well, I don't have to make that decision now, do I? Yeah, to your point, like you used to play out the second year when you had two years left and then go into the last year and sort it out then. But it does feel like that conversation is happening earlier for a lot of these guys. I don't know who it was, one of the reporters at that, I mean, one of them there. was really asking hard questions about Kachuk.

And that was the last one there when they were kind of, it was at the end of like four or five questions about it where they were kind of like, it's nonsense. I give them credit because that's not easy to do. So particularly, you know, Staeos and Travis Green seemed like great guys and people really like them, but grumpy men. Yes, they just seem like grumps.

Before we go to Mischkov, this hour of Real Kipperman, brought you by Bet 365, not playing tonight, Michikov. Okay, go. Is he not playing tonight as well? Or tomorrow night. Tomorrow. My bad.

My bad. On that? Yeah. I just, this is coming to a head. You know, like, this is a pretty good player with a bright future who doesn't jive with Tockeet and doesn't seem ready to do whatever these hardcore North American coaches are telling him to do. I bet you could trade for him this summer. That's all I'm saying. I don't see it.

I just think it's a young guy still learning to figure it out. and I think that's the way talk's treating him. And I'm sure you know, this guy had 27 goals or whatever he had two years ago. He's got a high ceiling. So hang on to him. I'm with you.

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