Real Kyper & Bourne - Vally's View: Stolarz & Locker Room Stability

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start with their reactions to the Toronto Blue Jays advancing to the World Series! Then, Steve Valiquette, MSG analyst and CEO of Clear Sight Analytics, stops by for his weekly appearance (9:45) to discuss the Rangers' early-season offensive woes, the Wild's lethal power play, Anthony Stolarz's comments calling out the Leafs, the Red Wings' ceiling with John Gibson and the goalies in the most difficult environments two weeks into the season. Finally, Nick, Justin and Sam discuss Vlad Guerrero Jr. sporting an Auston Matthews jersey to Game 7 and Brad Marchand's return to Boston.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Welcome on in for the Real Kipper and Born show season five. This is our two-hour Blue Jay edition of our program. Nick Kiprios, Justin Boren, Sammy McKee. A very happy Sammy McKee. Jake the Snake Shouts and Derek Brandeo. We are live on Sportsnet 360, Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver, 960 in Calgary, and streaming always on SportsNet Plus, included in all of that. Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube when you can't catch us live.

In a few minutes, we'll welcome in Steve Aliquette, analyst for the New York Rangers, MSG, CEO, ClearSight Analytics, always a lot of fun. in the next hour also will be joining us Tom Fitzgerald, general manager of the New Jersey Devils. Somewhere out there there's a Toronto Maple Leaf hockey game but I don't know if anybody's noticing that at all in the city of Toronto

or for that matter right across Canada as we as Canadians get our first world series in 32 years. Wow. We sent our very own Sammy McKee on assignment last night to cover that Blue Jay game. Who sent?

Your wallet? My pocketbook sent me? On assignment. So where do you want to start? Was that you on a lamppost last night? Do we have the picture of you? I just texted to Derek last minute. I forgot to send it.

The picture of you downtown amidst the, yes. Is there a better pitcher of Sam? That justifies who you are. I love this picture. I also love that, like, it's only you turn to the camera. Like, it's... Shout out my wife, Allison, for taking that picture. You are amongst your people there, right?

Yeah, there's a bunch of people. Can I ask you something? Yes. Would you go into that mosh pit? I would be desperately trying to get out of it. Oh, I ran right in the middle. Sprinting and pushing. See, that would have been me, like, 20 years ago.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's okay. It's good for you. Yeah. Right? Yeah.

I mean, not really the way I'm feeling today. Like, I was, I think my head hit the pill at 4.30 a.m. last night, boys. Like, I had a bit of a night. I'm not going to lie. But I just, I can't help but just be euphoric for Toronto Blue Jays fans all across our country. There's people all over the country that love the team. And you just got to put up with a lot of crap of sports fans, not just like Toronto sports fans. Every sports fan goes through heartbreaks.

And you just don't get a lot of nights like last night. that's just it's just you have to just really revel in it and I am I just I'm over the moon I can't believe I witnessed that last night did you know it off the bat of George it was gone I thought that I thought it was maybe off the wall for the record Sam was like 10 yeah I was really I had amazing seats and it was right by me I thought he was maybe gonna bang it off the wall but when Randy Rose Arena pulled up he pulled up was like oh is he gonna play it off the wall and then he was like, oh, no, he does, oh, my God, no, oh. And I hugged a lot of people, a lot of strangers, great section, just an unbelievable experience, 10 out of 10.

Can I ask what you paid for your tickets? You can't, because my mom listens to this show. Mom, close your ears. I paid face value, so, like, I didn't pay, I didn't pay an exorbitant. It was, that sounds like a really good deal for Game 7. It was an unbelievable deal, yeah, but it was still a lot, but it was good. See, the same thing happened to us when in the New York Rangers, when we were up three games to one,

game five was more expensive than game seven. Because people thought they were going to see. They don't want to be there to lose. Yeah. Yeah. And that would bring the value down. And here's what I'll say about the crowd last night. Unbelievable the whole night.

Even when they were down. Me, not included. I was desperately. But we're on a chat room. Yeah. We're on a chat. Yeah. I don't listen.

There's times when you participate and then there's times when I could feel your anxiety. and you don't respond. I wish our chat could be public because you're both a joke. Because you are like, this one's over, we're the best, you know,

whatever, and everything gets over. I'm like, yeah, you, let's face it, you thought they were done. Absolutely.

Okay. Here's what, would you like me, a sampling of what I said to you guys last night? Uh, quickly, quickly, quickly, uh,

he had to wear the effing jersey. Yeah, you're blaming the jersey for all. with a bunch of O's. Well, at least we're back to four to six. Isn't our time stop for the show? And don't love the field right now. They need runs right now.

Those are the four messages I said. Thanks for your contributions. And then OMG when the home run was hit. Okay. And can you read mine? There's a lot. With Springer coming to the plate. Kip recommended he had a good managerial piece of advice.

He said, hit a home run to Springer. It'll be the biggest one. what, the second biggest one in Jay's history, I think you said. I said, hit a home run. It would be the second best, second biggest in history. And then a minute later, he hit it. Boom. And that's George.

I mean, to be able to sit here and tell you guys that I was 10 rows up from maybe one of the greatest moments in the history of the city for sports, it's pretty special. That's pretty awesome. It's just really special. So, yeah. Lucky to get to do this stuff, boys. I'm pretty emotional today. You save, saving your pennies for the Dodgers?

It's a different animal. Like, the tickets for the, for the CS were, like, attainable. But, like, I'm looking at the, it's, it's six grand, a ticket? It's a different animal. Is it, or six grand for a pair? No, that's for a ticket. So, $12,000 for a pair. That was game seven.

Yeah, I just, I don't know. We'll see what happens. But now, now you're inviting worldwide markets in, and that's what is driving the price now people are flying in to be a part of a toronto la world series the otani factor is huge i speak of flying in in the crowd last night when i was down there where that picture was this guy stopped me michael stopped me he's like i flew in from taiwan it's like i listened to you guys show every day in in taiwan no way and he's like i flew in for game six and seven to go to the games i'm from tronel and he's like would you like to smoke a dart with me and i said yes michael i would and we

hacked a glorious dart together. That's amazing. So there you go. That's amazing. You took a dart from a stranger. It could be laced. It may have been. Yeah, he hoped it was. With happiness. It was really cool over the city. We'll talk a bit more about it in the Leafs Hour.

Actually do some sort of comparisons that the Leafs can learn from that lineup, that chemistry, that group. Because that is a pretty cool, pretty cool the way they're built. You know, different than I think how the Dodgers are built. Yeah. you know, which is just superstar, superstar, money, money, money.

Hockey? Bo will be back. Hockey boys? What do you think about Bo? Where do you even put them? Bo is interesting to me because... I'm a little worried about it. I think a player of Bobichette's caliber

is going to want to play his position. And I think it gets a little bit awkward and... Can't deach him? Well, then where are you going to put spring? I don't know. Yeah. He can't play the outfield, can he?

Can he? He can. I mean, he took a 98-mile-hour heater off his knee and he was swinging with one leg last night. So I don't know. you got to put them on the roster clearly but some awkward questions game one Friday night I believe we will be a part of a double header against the buffalo sabers hip and I are working game one oh that's incredible the league is looking at options are they

yeah but I don't know I don't know if anything can get done I think it's Saturday you could I think it's it's driven by the home team you're going to have to convince the buffalo sabers to push the game to 4 o'clock or 5 o'clock. The problem is they play the night before. I'm not sure Buffalo wants to do that. I think is, here's my, my, AAA affiliates there, just push away. I'll argue this.

Buffalo Sabres fans are mostly Jays fans, right? That's their team. Yeah, it could be 25, 20% of their seat, the people in there are Canadian. Yeah. I do think that they would be interest from the Sabers. So Saturday, there's a chance.

I think there's a chance. I can't see them moving Friday. You can play a 4 p.m. Friday. I think there's a better chance of them moving Friday than Saturday. Is that right? I just think with the sponsors and all hockey night in Canada, it's a coast-to-coast thing. If you went 5 p.m., you're done by 7.30. First pitch is 8 o'clock.

I got to say there's a lot of people smiling around here today. Some big smiles around Sportsnet. That's what I'll say. A couple high-fives. by the way I park on the first floor of the underground parking I was every day

first floor nothing there nothing second down to the P4 today everyone's in the building everybody's in the building no more no work from holidays today sniffing out tickets already

I don't even hope P4 exists it's just dirt okay I dare our next guest Steve Aliquette to come on our show today with an L.A. I need to get myself a Jay's hat. I'm sorry. I don't have one today. Analyst for the New York Rangers and clear site analytics and always a great contributor to the real Kippin-Born show. Valley, how are you, pal?

I'm good. I'm good, guys. Congratulations. That was a hell of a game. I wish I could have seen it last night. We were covering the game. Rangers played Minnesota. I wasn't able to watch it live, but I've been watching every game since they beat the Yankees and I'm very happy for you all. Yeah. We're pumped. We're pumped. We're pumped. Thanks, Steve. Okay. God, this could be a record of longest intro to another sport on our show in five years. But we will talk a little hockey. I want to stay with your New York Rangers. I saw a picture on the internet yesterday that copied Mark Messier's guaranteed win night in Jersey

by saying instead of Mark's, we will win tonight. they superimposed J.T. Miller's face and it was we will score tonight. Laugh it up, I don't know, laugh it up, NHL. But, hey, the guarantee came through. They did score. 57 seconds in, and then that was it for the night. It was the worst game that teams played since the home opener.

They had two high danger chances in the entire game. Look, guys, my job the morning hours, after, you know, I get up pretty early, we're doing, you know, bringing all the games in from the night before. And the first thing I cover, obviously, is the Rangers and I want to see what all the scoring chances look like. And you know what? I was reminded of something this morning. You need to make the goalie's head move when you take a one-timer. So I'm watching all of the mid-danger chances. They had eight of them.

And mid-danger chances, they sometimes they almost give you a conflict of where offense comes from. They look like they're pretty good, but they're not that hard for the goalie when you put yourself in the goalie skates. I'll explain. And because we're on camera here, you guys can see me and I'll do my best to, I know, at least represent what's happening here on camera for the listeners. But the goalie's head, when the puck is going from behind the net to the slot area, the goalie's head has to move 180 degrees. So you're behind the net and then the first time you see the puck, it's almost a surprise because you're going in blind and you're trying to pick it up quick and you're trying to set your feet, which makes it a great A scoring chance. The same way when a puck goes east to west, your head moves 180 degrees to go from right to left or left to right. Again, that's why it's a great A scoring chance.

but when one timers are passed from the wall to the middle or from the side of the net when the player gets above the goal line to slot it's more like 90 degrees instead of instead of a 180 and it's easier it may look difficult because of the location but it's not as hard of a save so the rangers had eight of those in the game and again I'm looking at the video this morning and I'm just saying to myself, they're missing the mark on where shot quality comes from and they haven't been able to score and they have players on their roster that haven't been able to elevate the puck on scoring chances and they're really spending too much time with puck on stick and I think that, you know, for me coming on the show and representing this enough

times, you guys are with me here. You've got to have the puck off your stick in less than half a second to be effective. And that's been the issue for the team. Just too much time on the stick. I was looking at this this afternoon. Lafranier over the last three years is shooting, his shooting percentage on those scoring chances I just mentioned. It's 15 goals below league average. And there's a few other guys in the team that are culprits here. So it's like saying your process is great. You get plenty of scoring opportunities, but you don't finish. And I think they're trying to figure out what they can do to help their process and help their finishing ability because they've been defending

much better. And Igor's playing lights out, but they're not winning hockey games. Would you make that Wild team who started the year pretty good? They're only 500, but like, I kind of like what they're building there. Well, the Wild were, you know, Borny, I mean, their power play is just unbelievable.

Yeah. And I'll start there. So I was looking at all of their power play chances yesterday morning, preparing for the game. And they've scored 10 power play goals going into last night. Six of them have been across the screen. And I'll explain this one too because the video is outstanding. That Erickson he's the best net front guy in the NHL at screens. He at least registers the most of them.

And what he does is when he gets net front, he's working in tandem with Caprisov. And you know who else is nasty is that Zev Boullium, the defenseman? I mean, that guy can pedal up there as good as anybody in the league. He's nasty. So he or Caprisov are up top. And I think I mentioned this on the previous show where they actually cross the midline at the blue line. They cross the midline. And as soon as they do that, you can see the goalie's head go from strong side shoulder to weak side shoulder and they throw it back across the other way. Well, the goalies are getting all tied up. And there's also times where Ericksonac is just screening on the pass and they're hitting Caprice off to the Leon Drysidal spot.

And he's just teeing off. I mean, he's, that's a one-timer. Like, Panarin had the same opportunity in Buffalo and against the Edmonton Oilers was skim. who we all know how well Skinner moves east to west and he drops his chin and he dust it off once and he skates a stride closer to the net. But by that point, it's like five Mississippi's have already expired and you can't compare that shot to the Caprisov one. It's just a totally different thing. And you know what? While I'm talking about the game, I'm going to bring one last thing up. Just, you know, overall hockey acumen here. Last night, Brodeen scored a goal off the face off on Shasturkin. If you guys saw it, it went off the stick of Lafranier. And Lafranier was late to get

there. And for anybody that's defending a clear-sighted shot, you must know this. Let the goalie take it from there. It was really on the outside slot, just to the outside slot. It wasn't really dead slot by any means. The shot wasn't that difficult. But Igor Shisterkin this year, guys, every shot that he's seen for more than half of a second, he has a 100% safe percentage. So like, let him have that one. It goes off the shaft of Lafranier. It dips down.

And, you know, that was the score that now equalized the game at 1-1. But I think the players should know if you're going to be late to get in the lane, let them have it. If you're going to be early and you can body it and force a shot to the short side, that's obviously the name of the game. a reminder that this hour of Real Kipper and Bourne brought to by Bet365 you're watching and listening to Steve Aliquette analyst with the New York Rangers CEO of ClearSight Analytics all right we had a pretty lengthy

conversation debate on on Anthony Stolars with the Toronto Maple Leafs and he had a lot of things to say after the loss against Seattle on the weekend we're kind of split here well not really it's J.B. and Sammy against me on whether or not Stolars went too far, crossed the line, certain things were okay, some weren't, where do you stand on on goalies being in a position now to kind of critique certain players and whether Stolars totally had the green light for you or not? Okay, so my feeling initially when I saw the play was, of course, he, can be pissed off because

Carlo's just standing there. And I tweeted out that you know, look, I think that first he was beat up on the hit and then he looked up and he saw his teammates standing there and then he just snapped and decided to throw the net off. So I would leave it there because the message would get

delivered and it would be received. And you don't have to say anything. And this is how in my opinion sports work anyway. When you're not playing well, you don't have a voice. Or, and that's not the case for Stolars, or if your past behavior has been a little suspect, you don't have that voice. And you can't forget that last year he exited the postseason because he was grazed by Sam Bennett.

And Sammy, I'm sorry. I've heard you say it before that he got like, I don't know, decapitated, not the case on that head. No, Sammy, those don't hurt. Trust me. They don't hurt. We're so padded. it's it's one of two things that hit I didn't like at the time because either you want it out because you weren't sure about yourself or you're that susceptible to a concussion so you shouldn't be playing anyway so for those two reasons like I'm worried about you and you know you guys know when that guy's healthy top three goalie in the league all day for me I love the guy in that I think he plays a great game but you can't leave a series the previous year and then chirp the next year you just hold your lane and shut your mouth because you can really screw things up in the locker room.

That's just the way it works. And, you know, he went a little far too with bringing Kneelander into it on the back check. I didn't even think that back check was that bad because, you know what? When you're a goalie, you don't really, unless you watch the game the next day, you don't know the timing of everything. And I even looked at the numbers on, you know, his reference to the screens and stuff. And that's not really the case. I mean, they're not that bad. Screens for the Leafs this year, they're 15.

in the NHL. They've had the 15th most. Point shots with no screen. They're tied with Calgary for sixth. And net front at five on five, they're 16th. So I didn't think their numbers were that bad. It doesn't really back up the claim. I think that one issue that you can say and understand is that there's been some history there. So I'd imagine that he's seen the lack of back check and experience those things. So he had something to say about it. But, you know, look, I think that when it comes to the locker room, it's a sacred thing, and you have to be very careful around the season not to create something that doesn't need to be created. As I've said before, I think that in the locker room, guys, you can fool your girlfriend, you can fool your wife,

you can fool your agents. Sometimes you can fool the coaches, but you can't fool the boys. Go ahead. I've never heard that before, but interesting. Well, you know what I mean, Kipper. Oh, I do. I do. Everybody knows in the room. We all know. I was talking to someone the other day, and they're telling me some Ken Dryden's story about him saying that, you know, as a goalie,

it's a good thing if the team fears their goalie a little bit. You know, like has a little bit of a fact like that. And I was thinking about it, I was like, yeah, Billy Smith, definitely, Grant Fear for those, probably. Henrik, you should have seen Henrik, Borny. Yeah. Henrik.

Okay. You know, Henrik was not a choir boy. Right. He'd come in. I remember one road trip, Colorado, Minnesota. It was the Minnesota game that Gabrik had five on him. And he came in and did like $25,000 with a damage to the locker room. Oh, my. Like, I mean, just trash the place. And, you know, like, he was that pissed off.

And you know what? I don't want a choir boy for a goaltender. He could be a civilian, good guy off the ice, this and that. But on the ice, I want a maniac. And, you know, I'm sorry, that's what Henrik was. And he was a killer on the ice. I mean, post-game, Henrik, the media attention, he was one of the first guys they always went to. Was he critical? Was he selective on the things that he said after the game? He seemed, you know what, Kipper? He was always right on it, you know?

Like if he was playing really well, he may have a little more to say, but with his credibility, he could say anything and being as honest and as blunt as he would want to be. But look, my point with Stolar's is that just don't put that attention on yourself, man. really good goalie if I was one if I was somebody on the coaching staff that's exactly what I

would have said to him person to person one more for me and and you can speak of this because you you live the position you played the position if a couple of guys on a team are pissed off at a goalie is there a chance subconsciously they could play different around you oh man that's such a good question. I believe in that all the way. You know, I believe in people sticking up for people that they love. Because I've had teammates, Valley, not to cut you off, but I've had teammates saying, you think I'm going to

block a shot for that guy now? Yeah. Hey, buddy, as a backup that played once every two weeks, can you imagine the teammate I was? I'm giving tips, I'm juggling, I'm back flipping, anybody want more shots? You know, like, I knew when I got

in there, it was an event. So I also knew that I had to reach that level of credibility with my teammates to make sure they were going to battle for me. And I feel like I was very well liked and respected, and I feel like everybody gave me everything they had on the ice. So I do believe in that. I do believe in that. The locker room is such a sacred place. And nobody knows if it's fractured or not, except for the guys in there. And you know how pockets can get created and subplots can manifest. It can kill a season. I mean, I've seen it both ways, guys, where the more time you spend with your

teammates, the closer you are. And then sometimes you can kind of screw that up too because you're at bottle service and then all of a sudden, you know, somebody picks up the bill and the next day he's coming around the locker room with a hat and we're like, oh, I thought that was, I thought you picked that one up last night. Oh, okay, that's how you are. I guess I'm not going out with you next weekend, you know, like. But poker games, poker games I've seen destroy a dressing room. Big time. Hey, by the way, a story that never really got out. but I know of a star player that was taking money off rookies and got traded. Like that's a real thing, you know, and yeah, like stories like this go around the league and,

you know, I'm not in the room any longer, but I know that stuff exists for sure. There's a, I really like the expression, truth hurts, truth helps. You know, I think for a team, these are essential processes to go through. And this is what Kip and I got into a little bit. And I think what forms these clicks you're talking about, is guys who don't have the you know what's to say it to the guy and instead it's hey you know he never back checks that guy doesn't do his job yeah i know you know like that's how that stuff gets started to me i am curious to see which way it goes for the leaps for the years here we haven't heard

anyone say anything like this so that was the the root of our discussion publicly though but it's it was said in the dress room stole ours everything that he said publicly my understanding is he said it after the game so it was it was it was said already The only thing, difference was, did John the mailman need to hear it, too, you know, moments later? Yeah, but again, I'll stand on the word I said earlier, which is, you know, you left the playoffs last year. You've got to kind of just keep your head down, keep your mouth shut and work your butt off and just stay out of it. All right. Let's move on from the Toronto Maple Leafs, the team they're going to be playing tonight.

They got the New Jersey Devils. Jake Allen playing more than Markstrom with Markstrom hurt. Alan off to a pretty good start this year, Valley. Yeah, he is. His numbers represented above the board are stronger than his analytical numbers. But last year, when he could have been a free agent at the end of the year, he was the goalie I consulted with the teams that I work with to go after and get because his year last year was outstanding.

His numbers were head and shoulders above Markstrom's last year, and you can see why he's holding his own again. He's kind of one of those renaissance-type goalies that has been in the game a really long time, been on the rails and figured it out maybe a little bit later, how to be consistent.

For a long time, the book on Jake Allen was that when the team was not allowing a lot but needed a save, he didn't come through but when the team wasn't playing well and he had a lot of volume that's when he would perform when the pressure wasn't as

as important at the time so there's game states where you can measure these things and it does check out that's kind of been the book on Jake but now I feel like he can play any kind of game he can play a game where he doesn't feel a lot

and still make a big save or the opposite side of the coin where he gets a lot of volume can still play big Got to ask you about Detroit and there's no question that Detroit's better with Gibson, right? But are they like playoff better with Gibson? You know, Gibby's like he's a tough one because for years,

I thought that he was the easiest pre-scout in the NHL because he was such a challenger. And you can fade off of not shooting because he was so good on the open shot and pass it. And I feel like now he's, again, maybe with age, a little bit matured and backed up in his crease so that he's not just a first shot goalie. He can be available. I think for years, too, because Anaheim was so poor that, you know, it was almost safer not to be too responsible because if you do overchallenged, you can say, I got, I had my guy

and you can give up the pass. And whereas now I feel like, especially with, you know, what came out with Detroit after their first couple games, they've been running hot since, he's kind of playing to win now. Talbot was been, you know, he's been terrific as well. So both guys are going well and they got a good thing going in Detroit. You know, I was kind of surprised actually looking at today was one of the days where, you know, you're two weeks into the season and I have to go through who's performing well, whose environment is difficult. And there's, there's some surprises right now around the league guys. Like, Connor Hellibuck is the top performing goalie again, analytically. And this year,

The difference, though, is that Winnipeg, as good as they're playing, as far as results, and they look like they're coasting, they're giving up a lot. They're giving up the third most high-danger scoring chances in the NHL right now, and their environment is third difficult. Interesting, too, though, Borny Sorokin's just getting killed right now on Long Island. What's going on there? He's facing 11 high-danger chances against a game. That's tough. insane on average. Typically NHL worst team is about

eight. That's how bad the Islanders have been defensively. Is that what you've seen? Wait a second. They got the greatest 18-year-old to play 26 minutes a night ever. How can this be? They're giving up a lot. Wow, I'm surprised. So

that's the toughest environment in the NHL right now is Long Island. Second toughest environment is Ottawa, Lena Solmark. His numbers reflect that. His save percentage, Linus is on his scoring chances, is 843, which is lowest amongst all starting goalies in the NHL. A couple guys that have come back really well. Jake Ottinger, Spencer Knight, has been terrific. Oh, yeah. And they both have a little bit of a look to them that's similar.

We were speaking last week about Vasilevsky, how he's upright, but he's almost too high. And those two guys, Ottinger last year, very wide. He's got his feet under him. Spencer Knight, especially when he was younger, he felt a little more confident getting wide and getting closer to the ice, so you're actually closer to the puck. But now he's got a better balance. He's got his feet under him. He looks terrific. Both guys, I think, are going to have big ears as long as they can keep the posture they have, as well as the feet under them. And, you know, just technically, because I was on the ice this morning, I was working with a big goalie about the same conversation. I always bring up, and I know I've been bringing up with posture and with feet under you,

but one thing it does, guys, is it lets you read the play better. So if the puck's in the corner, and I remember this from when Toronto had Frederick Anderson, he would actually press down and really dig in and look a little bit too deep at plays when the puck carrier was in the corner, and he'd essentially shut off his left eye if he was looking in the right corner. Whereas goalies that are, you know, bigger posture, like a Schisturkin or Henrik Lundquist when he played, they'd be upright so they could actually open their left eye and see the ice better for the pass. I remember learning this lesson when I was playing for the Rangers in Washington. The puck was in the right corner. Mike Green used to sneak off the right

point. And you'd know he's coming, but I made the same error where I was kind of low and pressing and looking hard on the puck carrier and not really being able to see out of my left eye, he sneaks down and just rips a one-timer by me next day and video, going over the video with the goalie coach. He's like, Steve, you got to get up. Your left eye is shut. You've got to pick yourself up, get your feet under you. You're a big guy. You'll see the ice and scan better. So one thing I've worked on with the goalies I train, see it with a lot of NHL goalie. Shisterkin would be one, seeing it from night, seeing it from Ottinger. Off the rush, if they're a little higher in their stance, but athletic, you can get a better skin and have a better

peripheral vision of what's happening around you and you have your energy under you. And so you can see how there's a balance there. You don't want to be too high like Vasilevsky and you don't want to be low and pressed down like Marzik. You've got to be able to keep that balance. Do you want to do one more? I'm just wondering, are you doing one more? We got to grill the panel still. We got to, what do you want to do? Yeah, Sammy, how are we? I just want to ask about Montreal, I mentioned Detroit and the Atlantic, Montreal, off to a great start, too. Dobish. Dobish, right?

Like, we covered the game Saturday night with Montembow and that, and, you know, I know is your boy, Borny, but I heard he got married this summer, gained a few, a couple LBs, you know, he's a little heavier. Oh, no. Not moving around so well out there. You gave up a few long-distance goals against the Rangers. Doebusch has taken over. Dobish, I would compliment him the same way I just did with Ottinger and Knight.

The common characteristics of the guys that are playing at the top of their game are strong posture, feet under them, scan the ice well. They can read it. Everybody can skate. Everybody can be explosive, but they can't be explosive unless they have the posture that's proper in their stance with their feet under them. Fair enough. All right, that's good by me.

Okay. Whoa, whoa. Where are we on points? Don't split on me, boys. We've got to grill the panel. Where are we on points? Okay, I got points at Kipper 7, Borny 5, McKee 5. All right.

This is a big week. Not bad. Big week. Yep. This is a big week. All right. So Grill the panel is brought to you by somebody to be named later. Oh.

Any steakhouse is listening? Any steakhouse is listening? Jacobs, if you're listening, we are fresh off their Dante's Fiesta. All right. Hey, boys, we're going to cover screens a little bit here, and we're going to go in a couple of directions. Okay. What defenseman screened his own goalie for the most goals against last season? There were 17 goals scored last year by a defenseman screening his own guy. So here's your list of five guys. You get to choose from. Ren and Carlo. Oh, sorry. Hey, no, you know what? He's right outside the top five. Okay. Right outside the top five. But you do have.

Jake McCabe. Jake McCabe, Mike Matheson, Nick Seeler, Mario Ferraro, Brett Kulak. All right, who wants to go first? Do you want me to go first? I'm going to take Mario. Crabb.

That's what I was going to take, too. I'll take Cooleck in Edmonton. I'll go with Matheson. Matheson is the correct answer. Bang! Yeah, he screened the goalies last year in Montreal, 49 times 17 goals against. I literally was just like, I don't know,

sounds like he goes up a lot of goals that was my exact time too yeah all right next one what goalie has allowed the most goals against through screens this season with six goals against what miss leekins kemper allmark hellebuck dostal give me all mark uh i'm gonna i'm gonna use your tip earlier in our segment and say All the Buck. I'm going to stall. Allmark. Hey.

You're kids on the board. 32. And 32 and goals against probably one are going to a good guess. Yeah, you know what? That's a good guess. That's a good guess. All right. This one's pretty neat.

This is what defenseman has been on the ice for the most high danger chances against. The number's 23. Oh, my God. 23 high danger chances. This defense has been on the ice force. It's been on the ice force. 20. Bouchard.

Wait, wait, wait. This one's for Sammy. Brandon Carlo. Oh, God. It's Carlo. Mason Loli. Charlie McAvoy. Not good that the Leafs have two guys in this list.

Riley Morgan. And Seth Jones. Oh, God. It's got to be a leaf. I think it's Carlo. I'll pick last. Carlo. Morgan.

Give me Lorai. Seth Jones, 23. Wow. No way. That's why it's the three-point. boys it's hard yeah it's a hard you're devious they're they're

they lost four in row yeah Florida's in tough now he's he's suddenly asked to do an awful lot oh for three great game valley valley great job right great job pal really

appreciate you coming on the show go jays go go jays go appreciate it Steve aliquette everybody we should break great segment fantastic stuff all right we'll take a quick break when we return still plenty more to get into, including a return

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6 p.m. weekdays on Sportsnet, Sportsnet, the fan, and wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Real Kippin-Borne show. This hour of Real Kippur and Born brought to you by Bet365. Nick Kiprios, Justin Boren, Sammy McKee. Just can't stop talking about the Jays. Can I give a shout out to our beloved Sportsnet colleagues covering the Jays? Everybody is doing such a good job.

job honestly. Blair Barker did 90 minutes. I listen to every minute of it lying in that as a broadcaster, what more do you want than just to follow a team of winners and champions and this is what you you hope for, right? And you expect you expect great calls at a Dan Shulman and you expect great calls at a Ben Shulman, but Ben's call of the Springer home run is electric. It's unbelievable. And you can hear the crowd and there's just something about a radio call for a big home run. It's amazing. I heard them say. Listen, I don't know what's going to happen between L.A.

But that's Friday's problem, bud. We'll worry about that. It's, um, it's, it's a home run that it's right up there with anything that they've done in their history. Second best one ever. It won't be, it won't, it's still not, uh, Joe Carter, but it's, it's what we'll be talking about for 20 years. Yep.

Yep. And give it there. She's gone. God. What a call. I know we got our Leaf Edition. coming up but i'll do this now um yeah just this whole thing about vladdie and austin's jersey coming in let's just save this for marcia let's save this for reliefs let's save this

let's save the fastball okay it's not a fastball it's not a fastball it's not a fastball i get to look one in before i take a swing uh we'll do it on our we'll do it on our leaf edition but um just just the attention that um just the attention that it got is what I want to get into a little bit and Sammy wants to save it for whatever I mean are you mad about the attention it got

I'm not mad about it I just I just I don't think it matched the intensity or the attention that it got way more than it deserved yes yes and you know what

but it's always about the leaf You're also in a hockey, you're surrounded by the hockey, right? It just brought unnecessary people from outside of the market that are just waiting to beat the Leafs up. It just brought them in. It's like you see Ryan Whitney tweeting about it. You see like people from Bart, like it's like everybody starts tweeting about it. You.

Oh, yeah. Of course. You're a bit of a ringleader on it. What are you talking about? I said I wish he didn't do that. Is that not fair? Yeah. I talked to a hundred people at the Jays game last night.

Love leave talk, love Real Kim, I'm born. You know what they kept saying to me? I can't believe you put it on the Matthew jersey. People are scarred, Kip. Austin Matthews is 0 and 6 in his playoff career in game sevens with zero goals. The man had no bearing on anything that happened last night. It sure felt like I was going to have a bearing until the seventh inning. See?

It sure felt. Yeah, you're tying imaginary things together. It's the correlation between ice cream sales and murder, which, by the way, do go up hand in hand. Really? Yeah, summer, it's hot, people eat more ice cream, more murder happens. It's true.

But they're not connected. They're not murdering because of ice cream. Listen. You're mad at me about that? No, I'm not mad at you. Yeah, you are. I love you. I don't know if you do.

You're mad at me. I love you. I love you. The guy from Taiwan to me said to me last night. Sometimes it gets out of hand. little bit with you know sometimes that that kind of talk is what toxic for me oh that's rich toxic a little toxic it's a little toxic coming from brittney spears himself over it is a man a man is a man is home watching the game um austin's sitting home watching a game and now he's got a bearing now

and let me just tell you something let me just something okay those vibes going into the seventh inning were like leaf vibes. Horribly leaf vibes. Okay. So much leaf vibes. If in fact they would have lost this. Yeah. Matthews is buried.

Buried. Okay. Buried for the next 20 years. 100%. Totally agree. Why, though? Why? You don't think so?

20 years? I think, let me tell you something. They would have lost last night. it would have been Matthews's fault. Well, that's not right. No, no, I'm telling you. It would have been remembered as Matthews, uh,

Vladdy's Matthews jersey. So he gets credit for last night? He'd, since he had a bearing and they won, Matthews won? He won a game seven. Maybe. Maybe.

Maybe I don't know. But it's just, it just seemed a little over the top. I would have felt bad for Matthews today. I think you're in a hockey echo chamber on your own Twitter feed. No, he's right. You're right.

Like, I mean, but you're right. And would it have been like, okay, so the guy's not a great player performer. So, so, you know, he's failed. But like, now, now he's going to get linked to the Blue Jay loss. We're talking about pixie dust and fairy tales here. It's all, nothing matters, really. Of course it had no bearing. But the perception of it is brutal.

I don't like the perception. I put on the same shirt I wore the day before. Didn't matter. But I did the thing. I wore my exact same. Hundreds and thousands of people aren't holding you because of your short. Yeah, but you're talking about caring about what dumb people think. Like truly.

She just called Sam dumb? Well, yeah. People think that had bearing or would link it to anything. They're dumb people. And we don't have to care about it. And often we go, okay, shut up. That's dumb. That's the hoary stuff here.

That's like most of how we treat him if you haven't noticed. That's the reason. Oh, I love you guys. Anyway. So, well, we can't do it in Leafs Hour now. I mean, we just did it. Austin Matthews, man. That was his biggest game seven win ever.

Fantastic. He must have. He's over the hum. I hope he stayed offline. He's over the hum. Mershan? Brad Mershan. Back to Boston.

Got a clip. Oh, I think. Did you clip anything? I did. I did. But we don't. 4.30 in the morning? No, I did.

But, uh, Derek, I think, stepped out. Okay. Did he go for dirt? So during the break, who sent me the Blue Jay smoking a cigarette? Okay, we'll play the clip. We got the clip.

Do we have the clip? Yeah. Oh, this show's falling off the rails on this not Friday. I'm sure it's going to be tough with some people. Like, they won't be able to cheer because I know they don't like the Panthers very much. But, you know, maybe they'll like me enough to give it a little yay out there or something.

But yeah, no, I think that, you know, it'll be, I think there'll be some little bit of love there. Maybe if I do something good, if I do something bad, they'll probably boo me pretty quick. But they're pretty passionate here, so they might have forgot already and just, you know, treat me like any other panther player. Why would Brad Mershant get boot ever at all for a second by anyone?

Will you destroy a helmet? Maybe that would start some booing, but. They booed Sundin here. Brad Lashan made $6 million a year while getting heart trophy votes. Not a chance that guy gets booed. Yeah, no, mass. Not a chance. You don't think,

you don't think that gets like initial, huge, emotional return standing ovation, then boo after that? No. Because that's what they did to Sundeen here. They love Matt. I love Matt's, but, Matt's didn't want to leave. I know.

Brad didn't want to leave either, but he was, like, not going to resign. So that's, I think it's, well. Buddy, when your team's bad, like, bad, bad, and a good player wants, at the end of their career, wants to go play for a not bad bad team. You don't get to be upset. You appreciate the time they gave you.

That had probably more to do with the fact that he didn't waive at the deadline. He didn't waive it when he, the first time, right? The first chance. Yeah. That was the boo. Not, not similar. I was going to say that I watched a lot of that press conference that he did,

like his return press conference to cut that clip. Get the sense that really, like he's obviously happy in Florida, but guys are Bruin. He's a Bruin. He's a Bruin. And he feels like there's a lot of angst that he had, that he isn't a Bruin anymore. I actually felt it watching that.

Yeah, like he walked into the best case scenario. Beautiful weather, good contract, great teams down the cup. And it's like, yeah, they didn't want to have to do that. I know. That was the best. And he had, he had a lot of options, including the Leafs. We know that Brad Tree Living put a lot of time and energy and trying to get him. How close was that?

Well, it was as closest thinking that they were going to get him until, until Florida went six years. Six years. So they found a different way to get the money. Florida should never have been in a position to come close to what the Leafs could offer. But once you factor in cost of living and state tax and the six years, they got to his number. And nobody, nobody, including me,

ever thought Florida would write him a contract like that. Yeah, it's a long time. They did. They did, and it was done. Has anyone played till they're 43? Is the league not like, eh, it's not normal? Max Scherzer.

I really thought, I really thought that Brad would be in a position to play 55, 60 games and take some nights off and they don't go on this road trip. He's their most important player. Well, there's no bark off all season long. there's no uh kachuk until February or uh just before the Olympics and that guy's got to play that does stink that they he was probably like okay I can go somewhere and be supporting cast and just be effective in my 16 minutes a night and they were like oh contraire here's the

backpack that is the team you get to wear this all season long so yeah that's a that's a big challenge for him but and I don't know what's going on but like Tampa's a team that some thought they could legitimately win the Atlantic. Like, I... That's definitely the biggest outlier of the year. I don't, like, it's... I don't even think it's getting that much attention right now. Kutrov hurt now?

Is that right? And I told you, Vasilevsky to me, since surgery has never gained his magic back. Florida, man, they're fun to keep an eye on. I just hope they're not fully healthy all of a sudden in late March or something. Oh, they will be. our thanks to steve aliquette on our tuesday does a terrific job you didn't if you're just catching us now

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