Real Kyper & Bourne - We're Back!

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

The boys are back for a fifth season! Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee catch up before kicking off the new year with the biggest storyline heading into the season: Connor McDavid's uncertain future with the Edmonton Oilers. They discuss what the superstar needs to see to stay, whether the goaltenders in Edmonton play a role in his decision, and whether the Oilers will consider a trade at any point this season. Then, they get into Kirill Kaprizov turning down an NHL-record contract, Anže Kopitar's final season, the chances McDavid is thinking Toronto in 26-27, and why a Sidney Crosby trade makes sense for both Crosby and the Pittsburgh Penguins.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

78. I don't know, to be honest. Oh, I shouldn't have your bluff. It sounded good. Hold on. Sounded real good. I think you have to start that again. I don't think your mic was on.

78 days later, it's the real Kipper and Bourne show, right back. back at you. Nick Kiprios, Justin Boren, Sammy McKee, Jake the Snake Shultz, Derek Brandale with you for the next hour. Yeah. That was my best guess. Sounds right. Since we got, since we left.

Yeah. July, did we get to July 4th or the last day? We should check Sammy's golf Canada. If he's played 78 rounds of golf, we know it to be true. Yes. Today is the launch. of the fifth season of our show, does it feel like five?

Does it feel like we've been gone forever? Does it feel like we just finished yesterday? I don't remember ever doing anything but this at this point. So I don't know. Would you say walking in today? It really kind of was like, oh my God, there's no times past at all. It felt like we were just here.

Like it really does. It's a great barometer of how fast time goes. Yeah. And you've been working pretty much all summer. So you're in game mode right now. Yeah. I had a nice four-day week. so I wouldn't say I'm like totally sharp but I'm going to go what do you think Sammy needs to

carry us for at least 10 days two weeks yeah just to get us to midseason form October 7th is the n-hill puck drop get us to the 7th can you can you carry us to the 7th Sammy sure I'll do game by a team by team previews starting with tomorrow we'll do the mammoth and then we'll go into we'll go into Columbus after that just do the teams that have sent us jerseys now we're talking you've taken the bulk of the when are you guys coming back Have you not? Oh my God. You guys haven't?

Have you been on Twitter? It's a terrible place to be. I haven't been off of that thing as much as possible. I haven't looked much. Once in a while I pop on to be like great hit about the Blue Jays and that's about it. I did get one saying that you cursed and, you know, you're, you're, you did on Twitter. Oh, I curse on Twitter.

Oh, I curse on Twitter all the time. I know. But people are saying, Sammy, you're on the real Kippern-Born show. You can't act like that. Okay. Like, I'm sure of all the things I've seen on Twitter in the last week. No. That wasn't the most offensive?

Me dropping a little bit of an a half, I don't think it's going to hurt. Should we get a swear jar ready for this season for Sammy on Twitter? Yeah, it's mostly about the J's. You're okay with the Jays, you're happy. I mean, what about you guys? You guys have been, people have been listening to me in this very time slot for literally three months. What about you guys? How is your summer?

Who cares about me? Your guys' names on the show, what do you care? Well, how is your summer? Good summer. Yeah? A fast summer. Good summer. You?

Yeah, I mean, amazing. It was great. A little time with the wife's family in New York, went to Grand Band, went out to Viking, Alberta. Rider Cups coming up, and you played Beth Page Black. I did. I slept in my car like a complete... Like you used to in your 20.

Right? So that must have, you must have been comfortable then. Yeah, felt great. Honestly, it was, that was pretty close to a highlight of the summer for sure. Very excited to watch the golf this weekend, now having some context for that place. Can we get your score because that, you know, you can't say that you played from the tips,

which was, what, 7,600 yards? Yeah, 75. And you cannot tell that story without telling us your score. I will say, so it was the best round I played all summer. So I was 76 from the tips. Oh, my, 76. Thank you, thank you. But.

76. It was a career highlight, to say the least. It was so long. The course doesn't roll. The rough is nasty. It was a good day. And you played with three strange guys, though? Yeah.

Just two. Can one verify? Like, is that like not hitting a hole in one by yourself? Totally. Totally. Did these guys were... Can we find one to verify that 76, Sammy? I have no idea how to do it.

I can barely get any guests. I mean, I'm not going to get one of them on the year. No, I can't dig that up. No, that was great. Other than that, man, just, you know, getting kids schlepping them to sports. Last time I saw you, we were lucky enough to play at Magna Golf Course. Yes. And you were about to leave for Greece, if I'm not mistaken?

Yes. How was that? It was good. Yeah? Yeah. Anti-parrous. That's him. But a stone throw away was Tom Hanks and his wife.

Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, so you were slumming it. Oh, yeah. We were slumming it. Oh, my God. We were slumming it. It was great.

Then I came back, spent a long weekend up at Stony Lake, and broke three ribs. And what now? Three ribs? Three ribs. I knew you hurt your ribs. Oh, my God. Oh, you actually broke ribs? Yes.

I thought your ribs are hurt. I verified it. I brought the x-ray in. I love that we have the X-Rib on the bottom. Kip, what did you do? I displaced a rib. Yeah, I can tell. No, no, no, no, I know that.

part. I'm more curious about how one did that. I'm with a friend, a good friend, who's telling us we're going to take the boat into wildfire golf course up in the Corthas. And it's beautiful there. Really enjoyed it. And I've got my clubs with me and I go to take one step into the boat and the boat kind of gets away from me a little bit.

Now I've got a choice to either get my clubs wet. or fall awkwardly and break three ribs, and I chose to break three ribs. Oh, my God. Yes. The club's okay. Did you break any shafts? Everything's intact in the golf bag.

What time of day was this? This was 10 a.m. No cocktails. No, no, no. Maybe still a couple of a night before. You weren't a 0.00. And now I'm still so excited about golfing and driving into the first tee.

on the boat that I shook it off You play Like I bruised something I'm fine I went and played 15 holes And then the last three

Was if I got speared by every guy I've ever fought my whole life Oh my God Yeah 15 holes with three broken ribs How many over with you through 15 Oh no I was you know

Here's the truth Slowed things down a little I completely slowed my swing down Everything went straight, but only like 90 yards. But actually, I could put it back into the slot a little better. I hit it flush a lot better. Just didn't go anywhere. Golf tips by Kip.

Just snap a couple of ribs if you want to straighten out your drives. Wow. That's fantastic. Well, glad you're better. Have you golf since? Are you better? Yeah, I've snuck in a little bit here and there. I only played 50 times.

I'll just tell you officially, I'll tell you what I told my wife, chipping and putting only. Just chipping and putting You're out there just Bryce and dischamboing it That's right Yeah that's right So Sammy

Good day or good summer too Right A couple of 70s Yeah I think maybe 5 last week Maybe 5 or 6 70s But here's the thing Like I was working But you know

I'm doing a lot of my shows In my basement You know I'm golfing I'm heading there And then I'm doing stuff after Like it wasn't exactly Cracking rocks all summer boys But I was I was here and you weren't

It looks social I saw your A lot of friends Lucky lucky guy Well we hope All our listeners And followers Have enjoyed the

as much as we have we continue to kind of talk about summer because I don't want to get into the Connor McDavid talk because I don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon so should we just skip it's not going anywhere soon or he's not going anywhere

anytime soon the story isn't going anywhere anytime soon the story isn't but he okay So, all right. So what are your thoughts? I mean...

Okay, let's just, first of all, go back a little bit. Okay, let's go back those 78 days or so when we left. And the feeling was for both of you, what, on Connor McDavid? I mean, they had gone to back-to-back Stanley Cup finals. He is, yeah, I mean, Leon re-signed, everything pointed to. re-signed. We didn't necessarily feel like it could have happened July 1st, but we felt between July 1st

and at some point over the summer, late July, August, that something was going to get done. Yeah. We're all on the same boat there? I thought that there was simply no shot that we come in for our first show of Real Kippermborn and that he is unsigned.

I thought there's no possibility of that happening. That's how I felt. And then what? about two weeks ago, three weeks ago. He kind of dropped the first hint that I'm going to take my time. And then obviously Elliot and Kyle

with their 32 thoughts caught up to him last week. And then he really put the, he really put the message out that nothing's going to happen for the next little while. Just kind of. So he just wants to see how things are going to go.

He just wants a sec to where are we at here. Take stock of things. See what the team looks like, what the team's going to do. I just think that's a load of crap. I do. You do?

I don't. I'm not saying that he, I'm not, I'm not suggesting he's, he's full of crap. Like, I'm not suggesting that. What I'm suggesting is that what is it that he needs to see?

What is it? that's going to happen. What is that, that mass, that, that message that is crystal clear where he definitively says, okay, now I know. What is it for you? Well, you know, the biggest thing for McDavid is winning. He has won many heart trophies now. I think three and Lindsay's and they've won, you know, they've been to the finals, they all

start teams. That's winning. I know, but he hasn't won the Stanley Cup. And so he wants to know that he has. a chance to win the Stanley Cup. But he does. He does. He's done it for two years in a row. This year he does for sure. He did it last year. He had a chance to win it last year and he had a chance to win it the year

before. Sure. But who are the young guys in that lineup who are going to push them over the hump in the coming years? So what you're telling me now then is if he wins the Stanley Cup, he resigns and if he doesn't, he leaves. That's what's going to happen? No. Okay, then we're back to square one. Yeah. What is it that he needs to see? I think they need some influx of other players,

a couple of guys that make him go, we've got a court, it's not just me and Leon. Okay, so when does he see that? November, December, February, like what? Hyman's still on a 35, 40 goals pace, 50 goal pace. But that's it, Hyman's older. They've done it for two years now. Yeah.

Just assume that Hyman's going to be great again and Leon's going to be great again. And so where are you? What do you need? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know exactly what it is. I think it's... Answer it.

What does he need? I have been asking these very questions since the first hockey Canada presser where he came out and was kind of wishy-wash. It was Sam Reinhardt sitting beside him being like, oh, I'm glad this is kind of my fault. But I just, there's no negotiation involved. That's what I keep coming back to.

No, 100%. Edmonton's like, tell us. It's like, whatever you're willing to put pen to paper for, we will do it. So it's not money, and even Bowman said that himself. It's not about money. It's going to be a feeling. He said to Elliot and to Kyle that, you know, we have everybody here.

I mean, he's not going to be like, yeah, we need a goalie. Stu Skinner's no good. Like, he's not going to say that in a public forum or whatever. But the goal, he sticks out to me. Yep, that's a great one. That's to me where you're going into this season with Stu Skinner, and it's Stu Skinner and Pickard. still right that's the that's the pairing last i checked last i checked like you got some checking here

i do think that they're there that's probably not going to change but that's something he's looking at like are they good enough to win with him like i'm coming up with reasons you're looking at me funny keeper but i don't know i am looking at you fine because i have no idea what it is so so hold on though no no let me turn the shot where are you driving us because your point is that there's nothing that's going to satisfy i i i don't see a i don't see an answer for the method to where he's going right now. I don't think he's going to sign at all. I think if he signed today or tomorrow a two or three year deal,

I would look at him and I'd say, what was that all about? What did that accomplish? What did that, like, why did you put everybody on eggshells, walking on eggshells for your fans, your corporate people, your boss? Like what?

Like, what is that exercise for? I'm going to, Just take my time and to see what? What do you need to see? So, okay, goalie. Yeah. So Skinner, Pickard, go to what, Christmas, January, February. They're still a top team in the Western Conference.

They still look like they can challenge for a Stanley Cup. So you're okay, you're not okay. You sign, you don't sign. But if they trade for a great young goalie, is that, then he's like, all right. Let's just say they trade for Sorrows. Yeah. Now you're going to sign. Is that it?

So like, hey, okay. All right. So is that the answer? So I trade for a goalie and I sign. Don't trade for a goalie. I don't sign. Here's what I think. I think if you watch the NBA for years,

you see LeBron James sign one year contracts over the prime of his career. He's made a ton of money. It's not about that. It's same to the organization every year. The pressure is on you to keep us a contender. And so I think McDavid's going to sign. When LeBron left, Cleveland, because he couldn't win there. Yes.

And he left early. And he's letting all these, and just like McDavid here, it's, I want you to know, we need to be contenders for me to be here. Two-year contract. If he follows LeBron, he needs to leave Edmonton. Not if they're competitive. Not if they can win. To go to Miami and win.

Sure. I mean, yeah. And then he went back to Cleveland. They are competitive. They just can't, they just have, they're O for two in the final. That's all. They already are competitive. He recognizes that right now they are.

Skinner has proved that they're competitive for a Stanley Cup. They just cannot get over the hump. Why would he lock in for seven years not knowing what it's going to look like? Why would he lock in for one if he doesn't feel like this group is going to win him a Stanley Cup? Well, I think that's what's happening. Let's see. If we're competitive, I'll be here. If we're not, I won't.

Let me play. Is there any way that he's doing this? to like, I don't know, I'm not looking, keep them on their toes, being like, don't take me for granted here. Like, pushing this little further, having people talk about it more, people being more concerned about it. What about other factors here? He doesn't like to generate noise for noise sake, though.

I don't, yeah. Maybe he's willing to talk about it every chance he gets asked. Maybe he just doesn't want to spend his whole career in Edmonton. I think that's possible too. Like, when you talk about free agents, there's a long laundry list of the pros and cons of resigning somewhere or leaving somewhere to go somewhere else.

That's Canada in general, though. We're going to struggle a little bit here as Canadians. So is he... Can he possibly mask this thing about, you know, how important it is to look at a roster or a team and feel comfortable about winning Stanley Cups and could he just be masking that towards, you know, I just don't want to spend my whole career in Edmonton?

Yes. Can I ask you something? Is that what you think? I think it's one of the possibilities. It's one of the possibilities 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

Maybe it just feels like, you know what? I've spent my whole career here and I think I get a little, I don't get the credit I deserve on the bigger scale of some of the best athletes out there today in this world. What if it's even? Maybe he wants a, maybe he needs a bigger stage. Yeah, he doesn't seem like that guy to me. He doesn't seem like he needs the attention. I know.

I don't see him as an attention seeking guy. But I do think that there's players who are like, hey, let's see what New York or L.A. or whatever does for me compared to Edmonton. I think that's possible. You know, maybe family considerations and all those sorts of things. You know, Tavares did nine years on Long Island and said, I look at what he's created by his comments and like he's left a ripple effect and the season hasn't even started.

Like this is a major, major story, especially here in Canada, especially for us covering hockey in Canada to watch him potentially leave in less than 12 months right now and listening to his comments. I'm like, where's it, where's the driving force here of it? Yeah. And I still think he resigns. Mid-season? I mean, soon. Soon. Then, you know what?

If he does, then I say, you just wasted your breath on all of this. I think that's the most interesting that you said. About, oh, I'm not looking past this season and blah, blah, blah, blah. if you were to sign a two or three year deal now or next week or in two weeks, you could have done it July 1st and spared everybody all this seed of doubt. Yeah, you're not wrong. That's a waste of time. It makes me think that maybe there's more to this.

It did nothing. It did nothing. Connor, you did nothing if you sign next week or in two weeks from now. I know this isn't how it's, go ahead. Yeah, that's the most, to me, the most compelling thing you're saying is that that makes me not believe my theory of him signing soon is just, well, then what was that all about? Exactly.

What would have changed? Just the noise got too loud would be the answer. The answer will be, I didn't want to play under this. Oh, no, no, no. He looked after the noise, he said. He took a head on. He hit it. I mean, I give him a ton of credit.

Yeah, nothing else to say after you said it all here. You can't play? You think this is a distraction? You can't play? maybe you're maybe you're not the right guy to be playing right now if you think that you can't play under these circumstances he's ready to go he's ready to go he's dealing with it that guy's got that guy's got some some some some some nerve right now to go in there and still probably light it up and sit there and go who's with me here focus on this year don't worry about me don't worry about

what's happening 12 months from now just win right now so i i think he's good the question is how about everybody else around him it is yeah i mean it's a ton of pressure on oilers management i mean coming into this season well they'll still be good again obviously they've all got a lot of good players but less good players than they did before you look at their their page there and there's a lot less than there has been in years past in terms of depth and forward depth of a lot of lot of good guys at the door but i just heading into the deadline you have mac david unsigned you're not going to trade him i'm not getting at that but like why wow why why Because you're trying to win the cup.

He's the best player in the league. Yeah, you're going to win the cop. But, like, what else, how aggressive, have you ever seen a team more aggressive at the deadline than the one that might have Connor McDavid walking up the door the next season? Oh, my. If you're Jeff Jackson, who's the president or Stan Bowman right now,

and he's not signed, and he's not signed at Christmas, you better start looking at trading him. Okay? You are not doing your job. if you want to play the Mitch Marner card and let him go all the way to July 1st and then beg a team for their third or fourth

line player for compensation on a sign and trade. I actually, you know, you cannot let him walk out the door and play this thing out like Mitch Marner did. Yeah. You better sit there and go, Connor, we need a decision by Christmas or else we're going to have to, put up a bidding war for you.

You know, McKee said something, I think it was you, who said something to the effect of like, if you're McDavid and you want to go to a different team, do you want to see them drain all the resources before you go there, or do you just stick it out and go there next July? I mean, is Edmonton going to be a first or second place team in their division this year, probably? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you're in first place at Christmas and you're like, yeah, we're going to trade Connor? There's just, you can't. Yeah, no, but you got to, you can't do that anymore, Sammy. You can't, okay? And Carill, the thrill, same situation in Minnesota that, come on, we just offered you, what do we, 16 times eight. Yeah, and you don't want it. So I need to find out if you're going to sign or embarrass us and walk out the door for nothing.

I cannot allow that. okay we can't we got to you got to protect the team you got to protect the future you cannot just leave July 1st and have me holding my you know what my hand I think it's different cases between Caprizov and McDavid I don't think because I don't think players but I don't think the wild have a chance to win the Stanley Cup this year the Emmitton Oilers do have a chance to win the Stanley Cup this year so like you're foregoing a chance at a cup by trading the best player in the league at the deadline as opposed, I just, I don't feel like Caprizzal

them good, Caprizo's very good but he's not, well, he doesn't mean what McDavid means, Kip. You can't really compare those two in my life. David's like Otani for us and that he comes with so much more than the hockey, right? Yes. So Edmonton losers is in the second round, Sammy? Nightmare.

Yeah, I mean, we just lived it. And you just watched McDavid leave for nothing? Yeah. I think that's a risk you have to take because you're a chance to win the cup. Yeah. Well, I guess you see where you're at. I'm not saying you're wrong. To Kipps point, though.

It is a compelling argument, but I just think, I think you need to force Connor. You need to force Karell. You needed to force Mitch Marner to come up a little bit more on your intentions. And a reminder on what happened when the L.A., or sorry, the Edenton Oilers traded Wayne Gretzky. They won the cup, what, the next year? yeah i think the next year i think the next year maybe you know within that within that in that pocket yes you know the point is that what you would get back for mac david is hockey players you're not going to get nobody i i absolutely love that or 25 minutes into our first show of the season

we've traded macdavit is incredible i'm looking at all right hyman's 33 yeah it's out there at home it's out there what do you mean it's out there that there's a possibility that he, this could be his last season in Edmonton. It's real. It's out there. Now the question is, to your point, you just hope and pray if you're in Edmonton that he'll change his mind at some point.

Or do you want to kind of protect yourself a little bit? I mean, if they're sitting in a president's trophy spot in November and everything's hunky dory, tough to believe he's not going to be like, all right, I'll give these boys another few years here and see. Unless he just wants to leave. Unless he just wants to leave. Like, the other thing, too, is like, okay, just even on, on, on, on, on, on, on, girl's

are you, are you telling me now, the difference between him being a Minnesota wild from here on end or not is the difference between 16 and 18 million or even 17? This isn't baseball or basketball where a team's got a chance to give you another 50 million, 75 million, 100 million. You're telling me that this. is all based on you needing another mill or 1.5. Which over $140 million contract is like 4% of the contract or something. It's like a raise of nothing. I'd have more respect for you if you just said, I hate Minnesota. I want to get out of here.

Yeah, that's all. Then you're trying to squeeze them for another mill, mill and a half. I also think that looks bad going back in the dressing room. When they offered you $2 million more than Leon Dreisdell, you said no one to get $3 million more. You don't want to, are you Kirill now, and you're going to look your teammates in the eye and say, I didn't want to play for you at 16, but I'll play with you for 17, 18. 168 wouldn't have done it. When the next highest guy is at half that, you really want to do that?

Like this is what the CBA and the salary cap does right now. It pins you against yourself. It can make you very greedy, especially with your teammates. guys that you got to go out there and battle with and guys that have to watch your back that you didn't you didn't think I was worthy to play with at 16 million

but now I am at 18 million and all you did was cost ourselves a better chance to beef up our lineup. Curl gets straight at this doesn't work. He gets straight at this. Not in the NHL, not under today's scope. Okay, this salary cap

pins guys against each other in that dressing room. Carrill does not want to be a teammate of the Minnesota Wild. He's holding out for every dollar. Highest paid forward they have a seven mill. Seven. Boldie, by the way, who's the star. And now this guy's going to come in and say 16 ain't enough.

Okay. Try to win, boys. Try to win. Go team go. But I mean, yeah, that was a pretty targeted leak of that information. I'm sure a lot of the people weren't very thrilled with that that happened. And then he started seeing like he might get traded stuff that comes out right away. that they potentially trade them.

It's a tough sell, but I don't know. I don't know. Krilt makes nine this year. So, yeah, it's a huge race. Yeah. He's looking for double. So let's do prediction time. How about this?

Impromptu true or false? 2026, 27 season, Connor McDavid is a member of the Edmonton Oilers, true or false. True. I'm not saying that he won't sign. True or false. I will say that there's a better chance that he'll be in another uniform this time next year.

51% not a roller. I just don't see an answer. I don't see the light on what he needs to see to say, I'm in. I mean, let me ask you this. Does he come off as a guy that loves talking to the media? It seems like every single time is an absolute chore and he just really gets grumpy. and does not like doing it, okay?

So for him to bring this on himself at every press conference that he does, every new city he goes into the whole season, there must be some doubt in his mind that he's, like, if he's willing to go through this. I also think, though, Sam, that he's clearing the path for the regular season to not have to do it then.

He can say, I've done this. See previous answers. He's going to be, I mean, he's still going to get asked. And, yeah, I think it'll be, is there anything new on this? No. I think he's powerful enough where he just He says don't ask me

You're not asking him I guess Marner didn't get asked about it everywhere he went last year He told him I'm not talking And murder was good Up until the trade deadline And the media Yeah It wasn't

It was quiet It was quiet. It was quieter than Nylander for sure When we were talking about it Yeah And it's I gave him credit for that It's that we didn't want to talk about it and he avoided it's it's pretty simple don't it is pretty simple you know

these big boys they turn around you say listen you know whoever's local jean prince of bay ryan with tsn like connor calls him over quietly he says don't ever ask me that do not we're done we're done bring up my contract they're respecting it yeah yeah they're not going to embarrass him and they're not going to embarrass um themselves yeah So I think There's a chance It could stay quiet For the next little while

And then just see where the team is You know it ain't gonna be quiet Right here I mean we gotta do a check in every day McDavid talk Panda watch on air Yeah like Jets talk last year It's not replaced by McDavid talk

Oh there'll be a ton of noise For sure Everybody Have the legal fantasize About signing him If he's available Perfect I was gonna ask you next

I saw recently, I think it was yesterday that it was announced The day before that today, that this season will be on Zay Kopitar's last season in L.A.? Yeah. Full Gretz? Is McDavid going full Gretz? Is that a planted thing that they're trying to get that money off the cap and talking about it early?

Wow. You talk about wanting more profile. Going to L.A. certainly wouldn't hurt your profile. You got a better chance to win there at the decor of C.C. and Dumolin and Kyle Burr. Kyle Burroughs? No, maybe not. Just thinking.

Yeah. I thought it was an interesting timing for them to be like, yes. Our longtime captain who makes lots of money is no longer on the books after next season. Where do you think it would be? Because everybody here's, everybody wants. Like my whole Twitter, every time I send anything. I've done this exercise. And the one thing about the NHL right now with maybe the exception of Florida is like,

there's flaws on a lot of hockey clubs. Too many teams For Connor To say I'm leaving to have a better chance To win a Stanley Cup Here here here or here There's so many teams with still some issues

Professional gamblers don't have a sniff These guys are hockey players How could you predict? How can you be like oh down the year I want a team that's solid for five years Who knows? Good luck You should get GM if you know

He just did it with L.A. L.A. is a pretty good team Like we think they're competitive We think they can go deep into a playoff run. They can't get over Edmonton because of 97. Imagine that you went to L.A. and they lost to Hamilton.

But J.B. is just picking apart their blue line right now. So there's a lot of teams that you can sit there and go, okay, Connor, you think you're guaranteed there, there, there, there? Okay, I wouldn't be doing my job here if I didn't just ask. Do you think he'd come to Toronto? No, absolutely not. No? Kipper? No chance.

Absolutely none. No chance. He hates the media. No chance. No. He hates us more than he hates anything about anywhere else. Yeah, I don't buy that completely. I think you could, I think it's...

We do not agree. I think it's a process where he exercises the pros and cons of coming to Toronto. It would be a team that got the thought you'd think about it. He's from New Market. When I see a picture of him and Matthews having lunch and stuff together, you started thinking. start wondering. LeBron and D. Wade, this is,

we're doing more LeBron comparisons. Who do you think what forward earns the most on the Kings? What forward makes the most money on the L.A. Kings? Is it? Viala? It is. Yeah. Who's that?

Kevin Fiala makes $7.8 million. I was going to say $8 million. Wow. Sharp. Very good. Hot start to the year. Five kids. Is that six and a half, seven?

Like it drops. Byfield makes six, two for the next four years. Not a good contract. Great for L.A. I just, I think if you'd, If you're looking around for co-stars, you have your best one.

In Edmonton, he is his best co-star. Leon Dreisle is the number one guy that you're going to win with because he's shown to be clutch, and the guys here have shown the opposite. Nate Mack. That's your other guy. Yep. But Matthews and him seem to be somewhat friendly.

I'll let you be that guy. I'm just going to put it out there. I mean, it's the most, how many edits of McDavid in a Leaf jersey? We're talking about McDavid. We're in Toronto. Be nuts if I didn't bring it up. No, you think there's no chance. That's your value to this show.

You think there's no chance. I think, wow. Zero. It's not zero, but it's like 2%. Kiff has it at 22. No. Tampa. We need a commercial break.

Oh, we should probably break. We haven't talked about Sid leaving yet. Don't worry. Their turn's coming. Oh, after the break, we'll push the percentage way up here. Oh, yeah. We'll hire them. Don't go away, man.

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Welcome back into the studio. It's Justin Boren, Sammy McKee. We are right back at it for another season on The Real Kipper and Boren Show. Boy, is that a record for Connor McDavid conversation? Yeah. Just a quick 25 minutes out of the gate. And we've solved nothing. No.

But I think we set the table for the year on it that it's going to be noteworthy. Noteworthy. Noteworthy. Maybe lengthy. Maybe not. I don't know. People get to change. What's a two-year contract? change their minds.

Does Connor have the right to wake up and feel differently than he did yesterday? Of course he does. But 30 million. Can't see it. He's 15 a year. That's dirty. Two-year contract, you might as well not sign a contract. But you can't have Minnesota offer 16 and Connor settle at 15.

It's embarrassing. Yeah, I think so? Yeah. Yeah. All right. 16, 32. Let's go. I just,

Carrill's going to be the highest paid guy in the league. Yeah, that's true. That's all. But do you think he'd do that? I mean, if his priority is winning, he shouldn't be doing that.

Oh, gosh. Now we're right back to stupid conversation on less is, yeah. I mean, he did that already once, right? He gave them back, I think half a million bucks. Yeah. Early in his career and still didn't win him a cup.

No, it helped him get some better. players maybe better chances at it tom brady took less whole career looking how many championships he won all right so where are we with uh uh sid who's not so much a kid anymore i guess i'm gonna say i'm like a little frustrated at my favorite player just i mean everyone wants to be a one jersey superstar loyal to the franchise has been loyal to you and the great fans and everything but like they're not trying to to win and he's a competitor you got you got to be somewhere that's trying to win the stanley cup where you're going to have a chance so let's just do it but they i mean they really did

soft launch a trade request earlier in the yeah summer the table set for dinner here the the brsson thing which was you know a passing quote at the end of a pierre lebrun article but it was basically just like well i forget the exact quote but i talked about it for a couple of weeks but basically that like he would be open to something potentially which is a total change of tone than we've seen forever but I mean I don't know did you guys see the clip from a couple weeks ago of him in the front yard doing the ticket thing no explain this to people okay so he does every year he does like the ticket puts his jersey on

and he goes door to door delivers tickets yeah season tickets which I think is you hate it for sure well no it's it's I get the value of it for sure extremely ECHL I get it. Yeah, that's a wheeling nailer too. I love it. Yeah, there's parts of me that go, you know, he's somebody else should be, you know, he's not in charge of season tickets, but I get the value of it.

In a small town like Pittsburgh, I get it. It'd be really cool to open up the door and see this guy. Totally. Bring in you your tickets. Yeah. So after the sort of soft trade proposal talk with Brasson's in the article, he was in front of somebody's house. and somebody asked him, but this was his quote.

I think it's maybe two weeks ago he said this, about a rebuild. I mean, it's professional sports. You play to win. I mean, that's how I view it. And you're not going to convince me otherwise. And if you're one of those people that believe that, then you're entitled to believe in that. But that's not why I signed up to play the game.

And that's not the game that I know. So, yeah, I mean, if you want to look at that way, I guess you can. That's one perspective. But I don't really. Yeah, that's not really one that resonates with me. So it's kind of hard to understand that. And then he's since training camp is open, he said, oh, I want to be here.

I love being here. Like, he sort of walked it back. But I feel like this is the most smoke there's ever been for an actual potential trade. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And I am one to believe where there's smoke, there's fire. So you're thinking.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Are you thinking, like, deadline he goes to a contender? I believe I told you guys before we broke for the summer. that I could really see things heating up after the Olympics. So, you know, there's a couple of scenarios here that I'm sure is trying to be figured out or played out as we speak. And one of them is a sale.

Of the penguin. And how would that affect things? Well, he negotiated a two-year deal last summer. This is the final year of that two-year deal. that was with the current ownership group of John Henry, of course, of great fame with the Boston Red Sox. They love them in Boston. Right?

I'm just saying, though. They couldn't hate them. So now, you know, there's thoughts that there's a new family, Elliot reporting that there's a Hoffman family out there, ready to pounce on an ownership group. So where there are some thoughts and ideas a year ago from the current ownership, promises made, futures being talked about,

where does that leave moving forward? If there's a new pending owner, majority owner, whatever was possibly talked about, does it get held up, does it not? So many dynamics on where the penguins are going. So you think there's a chance that they're like, Sid is an asset to the franchise. We want to sell the franchise while he's here.

We promised the new owner he's going to be here. We're not selling a Sid Listy. Your guess is as good as mine. And can I just, he has this year and next year under contract. He's a free agent in 2027, 2028. No, no. He's under contract until 25, 26, and 26, 27. Yeah.

So, okay, that's right. So he signed with one year off his old deal. Correct. So he's got this year and next year. Yes. Okay. Yep. So you're buying a year and a half of Sid. You're buying a year and a half of Sid.

Okay. So let's just say, for example, you start firing up your wonderful trade board for sportsend. Yeah. Saying you're still going to do that. Yeah. Are we going to be talking about Sidney Crosby is like the trade deadline prize? It just feels like such weird timing for all this to start. Like it feels like it would have gone into a season.

Like him joining a team mid-season. It all just feels dirty. It's a little weird. It's whatever vibe you get out of. what Pittsburgh season may look like or it's one thing to talk about they're not going to be good but then there's another thing living it and and watching these guys everyday play and the body language and all of it so it all depends on on sid moving forward you know elliott i think we talked about a little bit yesterday uh yeah of course it's this call that's a

about as obvious as can be, but how can he handle if they are struggling immensely between now and getting to the Olympics? And does he buy his own time? Or does he push for something to happen? They're really not good. Like looking at that roster, the top of the roster, it's him and Gino.

Gino's 40 years old this season at some point. Brian Rust, 33, and Raquel, whatever. And then it's Kevin Hayes, Tommy Novak, Mantha, Heinen, Achari, Lazot, Tomasino, Brazzo, Connor Dewer, they're not very good guys. Dewer. Interesting. The dudes. The dudes. They're back.

New Year. You know, even if there is a pending sale, like, to your point earlier, like, if you're the new owners, like, what do you think? If I'm the new owners, I'm like, I want to discount if you trade them. Or I want to get, I want to trade them.

I want to, we're moving forward here. I actually think you could sell to the new ownership group that what you want, is not Sid, you want a winning hockey team. And the best chance of fielding one is trading Sid. We have, if you look at the penguins, the next three years, they have just the most draft picks in the first three round. Three firsts, eight seconds, seven-thirds.

Dubus is historically great at drafting, so he should be, no problem. Well, they got a lot of bullets in the game. And he would-a-one, a bunch of five-nine greyhounds coming right up. He's not doing his job. Kyle Dubus is not doing his job properly if he's, not potentially looking at. He's in his last year. Trade potentials for Sid.

So I can tell you. Do you want to be the guy who traded Sid? Who traded Malkin? Somebody has to be. Yeah, I think you have no choice. Somebody has to be. It is a... Particularly if they ask for it, it helps a lot.

It is a brutal spot for Dubis, though, because, like you said, he's picking where he's going, Kip. Like, he's not... Yeah, like, yeah, trade me to the... Marchand last year. They're going to be like, oh, they got a third that could be a second. But Kyle should be talking to three or four teams. And those teams are, Kip?

Montreal. Yeah. Ooh. Oh, yeah. They've had talks. It's getting real. My biggest sports nightmare maybe ever. Like that's.

Your favorite player going to the, my favorite athlete of all time, going to my least year team all time. Colorado. I think it would be fantastic. Yeah. He went to Montreal. Yeah. Yeah.

Great. So great. Yeah. Oh. every Saturday night. Oh, yeah, great. Hockey night in Canada, Sid. Yeah, what a dream.

What are the other teams? What are the other teams? They got a top five center in the league there in Suzuki. What are the other team? L.A., Colorado. Come on. You mentioned it. Copatar's leaving.

Like, come on. Vegas? Vegas is always in on everything. How old? Yeah. Toronto? No. I just like to do that to you right away without even thinking about it.

I mean, not to be a lot. a total homer. Everybody fantasizes about Toronto, trust me. But there's no... Even though they haven't won a zillion years. Connor would hate it the most, Sid would hate it the second most being here.

If you look around, there aren't a lot of teams that like perfectly match up with his window as much as Toronto does. Like... His windows the next three years. Toronto does make sense. It does.

For sure. Totally. But I don't think he'd do it. I don't think he'd do it. But they just have nothing to trade anyway, so... Yeah, but if he wants to go there, it's not going to be a... a huge trade anyway, right?

Can you imagine if Dubus trades Toronto to the least? Dubus can embarrass himself and he cannot. So true. They win the cup. And more importantly, he cannot embarrass the season ticket holders. I'll say this right now. If Sid gets traded to the Pittsburgh season ticket holders? Yes.

You can't give him away. If you're going to go back to them and say, we had to do this because we're protecting the future, you've got to get something back for them. them. Yeah. You have to. It cannot be the Marchand. It cannot be a strict giveaway. Yeah. It can't. And although Sid can dictate so much of it as Connor,

Ken, and Edmonton, they can pick their own spot and they can force trades. And with the pressure of the league behind Crosby and McDavid, they're going to get whatever they want. But you cannot embarrass their teams on the return. Yeah. If you're a season ticket holder, you'd rather finish 20, fifth with Sid, then 30th without, you know, and get nothing for him. That would look bad. If Dubus trades craws me to the least, I will get Dubus' face tattooed on my arm 100%.

That's a promise to you and all the listeners. Don't say things like that. Done. Done deal. Absolutely done deal. And I'll be able to cover up with my 16 Sid jersey. Where? Right in the arm.

Right here. So every time I go swimming, anytime I go sleeveless. What is that? And you're like, we had Sid for half a six of months. Not the right cheek. That's a promise. That is an absolute problem. That's a promise I hope you don't keep.

Well, I hope I do because it means Sid's on the Leafs. So we just traded McDavid. Sid, are we sparing Vancouver today? Corrill? Are we sparing Vancouver? Do you want to talk about when Hughes yet? I don't know if we got time to get into. No, we'll wait for tomorrow.

We got a week. We got a, oh my gosh. There's no hockey games. Quinn staying, it's fine. We have nothing else to talk about than this. Did the least not play on Tuesday? Oh, yeah, they play them more night. Yeah, they play them more night.

Play some of their hockey players. They got Ottawa again. Is that right? Yeah. I would be quick. I don't have any takes because I didn't watch a second because the Js are playing a... We were on the desk. We watched a horribly stressful game yesterday, but I'd be pretty pissed if I was an

Ottawa player with them sending up all those, sending all those horned up young guys to come in there. Oh, that's how it works. I know. That's how it works. I know. But it just would be a little bit annoying first time stepping on the I was having cow and try to cross-check into the board. Shout out to Quillan,

Jacob Quillan, who at one point during the game kicked out Nick Cousins' feet and made him bonk his head on the ice. If you remember last year, Cousins tried to break Quillan's leg in his one NHL game. It was wonderful to see him hold on to that. I'm not going to have that type of talk all season long on the real Kippenborn show.

You're purposely trying to hurt people. By the way, act you mom dropped this glove for one second. Kipper goes, I'd have slashed him. I'm, I'm softening up this year. I want fair play, and I don't want, I don't want headshots. The real lady big and born show. It was nice that Pizzetta gave Riley. Was it a new, yeah, it's a new bobblehead night there?

Yeah, he bobbled his head. It's nice. I thought that would endear Pizzetta to some lease fans. Big time. All right, so if you checked on Doug McLean lately for us? I have not. You know, we're, like, we got Valley. Is Valley coming?

Like, come on, Sammy. Listen, I've sent a few texts. They haven't texted me back. Valley didn't text me back. Do people know that we're still on the air, that we didn't get canceled? No, I don't know. You're asking me, no one messages to you guys? I got 100 messages every day.

All right. All right. All right. We're not going anywhere anytime soon. See you tomorrow. Thank you.