Real Kyper & Bourne - Who's Starts More: Murray or Samsonov?

Episode Date: November 30, 2022

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee weigh in on the pecking order between the two goaltenders Matt Murray and Ilya Samsonov, and who should handle the bulk of the starts. Then, former NHLer and Stanley Cup Champion Brad May (21:39) stops by to chat about the importance of players having trust in their netminder, and where he stands on teams tanking their season. Leafs legend, and Hockey Hall of Famer Darryl Sittler (41:18) speaks on the passing of longtime friend and teammate Börje Salming, Mitch Marner's current point streak, and having chemistry within a line and power-play unit. Afterward, Leafs Nation's Gord Stellick (1:06:56) shares how the fanbase is feeling about Toronto's top guys, William Nylander's hot and cold spurts, and his view of dual threat in net. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

is real kipper and born on sportsnet 590 the van nick kiprios justin born eric brandale frank the tank sammy mckee with you for the next couple hours wherever you're watching wherever you're listening appreciate the time. Give us a rating and review. Been an interesting 24 hours here. Things have calmed down. That's good because we've had days where things have been weird

and busy with our show, but at least this was about, you know, something you said, clarifying it. Yes. Working our way through our issues as a couple, as a triad what are we i don't know yeah we did we fixed it we did love triangle a little bit and the morning show i think had a interesting discussion today uh technically i wonder if i can charge them an appearance fee. Why is that? Because they talked about what happened the other day. They used all the content again? Yes.

They had an interesting conversation about what transpired and why I was trending yesterday. But that's not what this show is about. No. This is all about the Toronto Maple Leafs returning home after a four-game road trip taking on san jose shark and possibly watching mitch marner tie leaf history with a consecutive point streak can i just say it's genuinely surprising that the streak is not longer than

this it feels like mitch has one of these streaks every year. Last year he must have had, I think he had a... 13. 13 last year. I think he had 25. Here's like 25 games out of 20. He had a point. It just feels like he gets a point every night. I would think with a historic franchise

like the Toronto Maple Leafs that it would be longer than 18. And do we know what Wayne Gretzky's record is? Is it 47 or 48? Sammy, did you do your homework on this? I think it's 46. What is the number? I think it's 46.

It's in the 40s, though. Like half a season plus. Definitely in the 40s. Wild. Matthew scored 50 times in 50 games. He couldn't have missed too many. That's not getting shut out. I was wrong.

We undersold. 51 game points. 51. Oh, my God. 51. Yeah, so 18 feels, it feels like Mitch should have this record. But, yeah. On the show, we're going to have Brad May in about 15 minutes.

He's always a hoot. Gord Stelic as well in the second hour. And then in about 40 minutes we'll talk to the the man that holds the current record alongside with eddie olchuk and that is uh toronto maple leaf legend hall of famer daryl sitler daryl sitler on the show can't believe we haven't had him yet that's great and he i felt kind of bad because it has been, I'm sure, exhausting for the man in the last little while in the requests. And he's done a lot of shows. And it's been an emotional, emotional few weeks for Daryl,

his teammates, Boreas Salming. And now we're leaning on him again. We'll take it easy. Short for him yeah well you know for sure um we won't uh we won't take too much of his time but under the context of of what mitch marner is able to do uh we would it'd be great to hear from him yeah and uh and talk about the feat that mitch marner uh you know hopefully can get uh tonight against san jose absolutely the other the other news is that samsonov is back yeah and officially uh starting tonight he's going to be the guy not just getting in the in a uniform he's going to play tonight i think that's great you have the

san jose sharks not exactly the most dynamic offense in the nhl home game they should play well in front of him. I've already said I don't think they're going to. But in theory, it's a good night to start him. All right, let's warm up with Sheldon Keefe on our first Kippers Clipper on his starting goaltender tonight. Yeah, I mean, I say that mainly just to let him off the hook if he wakes up and he's not quite feeling right. But we went into yesterday, you know,

approaching it to give him a good practice and that medically he was cleared. It was more just so that he felt that he has had the appropriate work to go, but he's very excited to play and that didn't change this morning. So he's going. When he's going, he's going. And he's going. Good time, right? Yeah.

Go ahead, Kev. I was going to say Luke Fox tweeted something like a quote from Samsonov on it today where he said, I guess Samsonov said, Doctor say no more. Thank you, Sammy. So he's going. He's very excited to be in. Lots of smiles.

Listen, it's a great strength for the toronto maple leafs now to have matt murray in a great place and hopefully see that samson off picks up where he left off but a far cry from what we saw from the beginning of the season and losing both of them so quickly to even the feel that we had prior to the season starting. Like this is a major one 80 on the vibe of the leaf goaltending situation. It is. I, you know, I had someone for the first time. I will say when they signed Matt Murray, I,

my initial tweets were not like Sammy's. They were like what are they doing this guy's been no good don't worry we've got them all saved yeah well that's fine i'm aware of how to pull them up and pull the don cherry where we go back to the video yeah and we play it play me saying this thing but here's the thing i'm i want to be wrong on that that's one of the ones where you're like, yes, got that wrong. That's great. Good for our show. However, just to be the guy. I don't think being wrong is good for our show at all. No, no.

The team being good is good. Listen, if being wrong was bad for our show, working with you. There you go. But listen, the seven and eight games for Samsonov and Murray, they played seven and eight games for Samsonov and Murray, they played seven and eight games respectively. I refuse to take the L on any of these takes yet before they play some hockey. We're 20-some games into the season.

The other guys played 10 games. Let's just get into the year here. Okay, but are we back to Samsonov and Matt Murray in a race to see who ends up a starting goaltender or is, has, has the pecking order been established at this point? Because you know how I feel. I do.

Matt Murray is the guy. He's been telling everybody. He's the guy. He tells himself he's the guy, but is he the guy? They definitely want him to be the guy. Cause is he the guy? Murdoch. They definitely want him to be the guy because they got another year out of him. Sammy.

Yeah. Is Matt Murray the guy right now? A hundred percent. And I'm upset he's not starting tonight. You're upset. No, I shouldn't say upset. I just, I enjoy watching him play. He's been really, really good.

He's been way above average for NHL goaltending this year. Seems to be in a rhythm. I'm just, you know, it's because it's a nice problem to have that you can go to your other guy that played well to start the year but it's 100% Matt Murray's that he's the starting goalie he's paid more he's here longer he is the starting goalie end of story okay so outside of back-to-backs where does this now leave you in terms of a rotation? Let's just say that they're both good. Where are you now? Are you on splitting them from here on in? You want to see on goaltending's goaltenders alternating? Yeah.

Or do you go, no, I think think we're gonna go three and one i never want to get to game one of the playoffs and go who's the guy i don't ever want to be in that position as a coach as a fan as an analyst i don't think it's good for your team when you're like who's going and the the team says oh whoever's playing well the the hot hand thing does not really work in sports as much as we like to believe it does it's tough to guess where play is going so i would like to see matt murray get more games than samson off from here to the end it's game 25 for the leafs tonight something like that which leaves them 57 quick math they have no backs back-to-backs in uh december okay so maybe something like 35 and 22 the rest of the way.

You like that? Sort of two-thirds of the games for Murray. That's it, right? Yeah. I think so. But, you know, I just think that if this guy is feeling maybe as good as he was in Pittsburgh, to Sammy's point, maybe you just kind of roll with him a little bit here.

Yeah. Eight starts for him. So he plays 40 more times this year. That not too much for you? That's okay? Well, you know, no, it's perfect because if you don't factor in

that he got hurt, that would have been a 50 plus pace. And I that i i don't i'm with a lot of people here do you really want a goalie knocking in on 55 60 well yeah maybe some others know yeah but 50 plus you know factor not factoring is is injury um is is a is a pretty good year. Yeah. It does feel different though feeling like both guys are doing pretty well.

I want to have more confidence. I want Matt Murray to look somewhat like he looks right now on game one of the Stanley Cup playoffs. That's what my goal is.

How do we get there? If I'm the coaching staff and the general manager and everybody and all their cooks and all the people they got in the background, sports, science, whatever you want, the goal is to have Matt Murray looking somewhat like he does right now for a game. Feeling healthy, some games under his belt. And, again, when you look at this Leaf turnaround in the month of November, man, when you start believing in your goalie.

That's when the team buys into the structure. Even when it breaks down every once in a while. I like that. Then that's the way it's always been for me and my teammates over the years is that they have to be a calming influence. Only position that can do that all the time when you look over your shoulder and you go i know that guy is going to be there for me then that changes everything about your hockey guys stop running out of position when they believe the goalie can make them a save you know

so it's much easier to just do your job i take care of my area of the ice. I'm a winger. I know where I'm supposed to be in the D zone. I don't feel the need to desperation dive in front of a shot because I trust my goalie has it. And all of a sudden, your structure looks real good, and I think trust is a big part of that with your keepers. So they play in December. They play Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday every week in December. Oh, I love that.

Good for the show. It's an incredibly – I'm looking at love that. It's an incredible. Good for the show. It's an incredibly, I'm looking at the schedule, it's very aesthetically pleasing. So do you want Matt Murray to start two games a week and Sam Snuff start the other? Great. Seems pretty simple to me. There you go.

You get Tuesdays and Saturdays, Matt. Yeah. Ilya's going to play our Thursday night games. Again, just, again, you know how I felt right from the get-go. I think it's important for Sheldon Keefe now to have Matt Murray know for sure that this guy's not coming in and kind of upsetting the energy.

Because that stuff happens. So you like having a one versus a tandem? Yes. Yeah yeah i do too without a doubt but it has to feel now for samsonov that he has to come in and just play well when he's called upon and support matt murray okay he's playing for a contract one year deal he doesn't care yes no that that's no good for the Toronto Maple Leafs. You don't need that internal competition. You need these guys feeling good about each other.

And the internal competition comes naturally on the ice. Yeah. But it shouldn't come in between periods or during practice. It shouldn't be out there., it shouldn't be out there. That energy shouldn't be out there. But you don't want it. I do. I do.

I get it. I get it. But I understand that you don't want it, but what choice do you have when you sign two guys essentially to prove it contracts who need to play and need to play well individually? I get, you know, which is okay.

If, if, if you're in this buildup, this progression of turning your team from a team on the rise or a team that's on the cusp, but to try to win a Stanley Cup now and to your point where you like the number one guy, you don't want to go in march and april going okay who's it gonna be yeah who'd we like better morning skate today yes it's like god so uh i think sheldon can do that i think he can have samsonov come in play well tonight um and and let matt murray

keep going with it matt murray right now is looking pretty darn good. And if you go back to his Ottawa days, they were stupid. They were dumb. They didn't know what they were doing. They have dumb doctors. I'm in the minors. I'm good. You guys are dumb. That's what you think is going on in Matt Murray's head then?

100%. Yeah. Not a doctor doctor yes yes and now that you've got him in that place where i told you guys all along i'm better than this yeah he's feeling himself he yeah don't lose that don't lose that yeah there's that core of confidence in there that never goes away and you're like wait everything that's happened since it's been because of circumstances i'm still and he's got it right now he does looks good all right we want to do an update on tj brody out of sheldon sure let's keep up on the hurt guys

sure no dates in mind uh told all that he like he he had been progressing had not been progressing the way they want had hoped or you know that we'd expected uh so he hit a bit of a wall there but it seems like that's starting to turn and he's he's been skating continuously and today was his best day on the ice so that's that's a real good sign so i hope that that will continue is tj brody the most important defenseman on the toronto maple leafs like if you pick him you going into playoffs you can have him or morgan riley who do you want morgan okay that was quick yeah sam uh playoffs probably morgan riley because i think he elevates big time he's been great in in the playoffs. Plays a lot of minutes. I agree. He's up near 30. He's lugging the puck up.

But regular season, I'm going TJ Brody in the regular season. But playoffs, I'm going Morgan Riley. Listen, I thought I might stir something up there. We may think of where Morgan maybe doesn't step up like other $8 or $9 million defensemen, but this guy is as good as anyone when it comes to skating a puck out of his own zone. He's actually scored some sneaky huge playoff goals in games that either didn't matter or earlier in the series that kind of get lost to history a little bit because the Leafs lose. I don't see Brody skating like Morgan Riley there, there sammy i agree yeah big riley fan all right didn't he score it out there didn't he score in

game seven riley against yeah sick goal matthews to marner that little quick touch over to him riley berries on the back this one i buried that in my mind sorry i forgot that that happened this kipper clipper here as a little bit of a feel where maybe a few flaws might be in Morgan Riley's game. Have a good listen because this is interesting. This is Sheldon Keefe on the power play without Morgan Riley. What I've seen from him, I think we're, I liked our very first power play in Pittsburgh, our very first power play in Detroit.

Pace that we had was very quick, very deliberate, and getting the puck to the net. I think that was really good. So we've liked that. I don't think it's necessarily – I think it's just all five players and the mindset that we want to have there to make sure we're attacking. It's not necessarily a Sandin thing or anything like that.

I think it's just the mindset of our group when attacking the cage. And then in terms of the challenge tonight, it's significant. I mean, this is the best penalty kill in the NHL by a pretty wide margin, both in the numbers and when you look at it. So we've got to be ready for pressure, and our guys are going to be put to the test tonight in terms of their execution. Passes have to be crisp, and you've got to find your opportunity

when you escape pressure to get it to the net. It's a significant challenge for sure for our guys. Pace, that's what I got out of that. Deliberate getting the puck quickly to the net. You know, none of this Dustin at all stuff. I don't see out of morgan riley is that what he's saying he was very quick as sam mentioned before the show to sort of backpedal and be like i think it's all five guys it's not just morgan it's the five the five of them god that move so quick when he's out there but it's not just him yeah no i i will say that sheldon one of his like defining characteristics is finding a reason to make the other team into the greatest

team on earth he really likes to big them up no point of san jose best penalty kill in the nhl both by the numbers and when you look at it he sells it to his team pretty well and to the media they are though but well they are that but it's a one small kernel on a bad to sheldon's point though if well he's go three for four on the power play tonight against yeah a team that has earned the right to say that they are uh the best penalty killing team yeah that's a huge statement it's an open opening for sandin i would say not to take riley's job but to make it easier to go to him when riley's not having his best days you know you want to be an option that they're like okay if riley's having an off night let's

go to sandin by the second period not the third type of thing you know what uh and because it's early in the season still, per se, that also gives you like 60 games. Well, it doesn't now because Morgan's hurt, but when he comes back, it gives you enough games to go back and say, hey, listen, Morgan, you should be, like we know you're never going to have a great shot, like a heavy shot as a defender. But there are other ways that you can elevate your play on the power play and get so much better here.

I mean, there will be some breathing room now to go back and really he should be much more effective on the on the power play you know who's unbelievable who was unbelievable up there was mike green when he was with the capitals and he was so good at deception from the point and looking guys off and knowing which side to go to and you know there's there's room for growth in morgan's game there for sure remember those days sammy Sammy, with Caberle to McCabe and just the bomb. Oh, my God. I loved it.

That was, you know, I do long for the days of the two defensemen at the top. So go, today I have an article out on Sportsnet on power play increase. So the success rate on power plays over the last 10, 15 years is like up, up, up, up, up. Teams scored a higher rate. So this year the Leafs are 25 that's ninth in the NHL yeah uh five years ago they were also 25 it was second in the NHL what's the highest right now what do we anything above 30 yeah I should know because I was in those numbers all day today I don't know offhand yeah um two Colorado boston yeah 32.4 for colorado 30.4 so 30.1 for boston i spent a whole article theorizing on why this is and kipper i don't know your take on why it's gone up but

generally the idea for me is that they've gone away from 2d on the point uh right it's all four forward units now yeah and there's far less of a pp strategy which is just bombing from the point uh right it's all four forward units now yeah and there's far less of a pp strategy which is just bomb it from the point she used to be shea weber and pk suban just taking clappers from the blue line and hoping they got through and now the guys the shots come from much lower more in the slot more in front of the net more from the flanks that's my theory one of the reasons it's gone up yeah i don't know if you've gotten anything else but yeah some of the goalies stink well that's i also wrote that did you i did and so that's part of it is that morgan doesn't need to be the bomber up there he needs to get it to the right side or into the right areas quickly that's all i need him to do i talk like i'm the pp coach all right let's welcome

in someone who can no longer save for the toronto maple leaves well that's not good did i phrase did i phrase that right derrick it's it's yes you got one you got one for me as we welcome in brad may derrick's watching mexico play soccer right now i'd fight my mom to win another stanley well that's close enough that's close enough let's welcome in brad may mayday what's going on kip how are you guys i'm good are you watching world cup as well you know what i'm not today but um i have been it's been it's been a lot of fun watching it what i mean the passion obviously it's been amazing i was so excited for canada they played so well it just it's too bad that the second game there i think they should have won beat belgium but uh now it's

a ton of fun watching them and obviously um lots to celebrate for canadian soccer our our boy sammy and leaf nation have had a lot of fun uh watching the leafs run in uh the month of november here what are some of the things that have stood out for you? Well, I think the big thing for me, obviously, the whole story, obviously, is Mitch Marner. But they're top four players, obviously, up front. They're all getting it done. They're all over a point a game.

So the money they've spent on those guys, it's, you know, they're playing awfully well. But I think outside of Mitch and being such a great story and hopefully tonight um he continues what he's been doing it's pretty impressive um well i was looking over their lineup of course with riley being injured what what jumps out at me is they have 28 points amongst 11 other defensemen that have played a game for the Toronto Maple Leafs. Eric Carlson himself in San Jose tonight has 32 points himself. So I would say if there's anything,

scoring from the back end would be, you know, obviously a huge boost if that happens, but they got to keep it out of the net. Their penalty kill has to be a little bit better but boy they've been good it's they've been actually a ton of fun to watch one of the thing that's uh that has stood out here is their attention to sort of team structure they don't seem to give up a lot of grade a chances even when the other team has the puck a lot they kind of keep them to the outside and one of the theories from kipper and i is just better

goaltending trust your you know trust those guys more makes it easier to do your own job what are your thoughts on the difference a goaltender makes and in terms of being a player out there in the rink and how it affects your game no it's everything it's you know when you have trust in your goaltenders you can cheat a little bit you can actually anticipate um you know where the puck will be not where it is you know at that at that moment so the moment a team really buys into that and has team structure and that type of trust, you become a better team more. You have more weapons or become more of a threat because the other team, you know, they think they've got possession and they get a little bit of momentum.

But if you keep them to the outside and, you know, the defensemen get the puck to the right areas to speed, obviously the forward group in Toronto can fly and the top guys are playing great. We were just talking about that comfort zone and feel. We've all played the game long enough to know that sometimes you can be on the bench and you can close your eyes and just tell the guy beside you to say, tell me when the puck's out of our zone, please. And you're like squinting through your big, thick hockey gloves, right?

Fingers. And you had the best in Dominic Hoschuk. And I can't even begin to imagine what it was like for you looking over your shoulder and saying, oh, that guy's got our back tonight. Oh, hey, Kip. I mean, there's no doubt he was winning Vezna's and Hart trophies for a few years there in the 90s. And, no, he was amazing. And, honestly, we had so many nights where if our team was, like, literally,

if our team up front with Dominic, and course they went to the Stanley Cup the court you know conference final in 99 I think 98 excuse me and then 99 into the Stanley Cup final against Dallas I was there prior to that our team was not as good as what our record probably indicated although having a goaltender like that, we had players, Dixon Ward, Jason Dawn, Mike Peca, Randy Burge, and other guys that scored over 20, and they were all on the transition game. The other team would have the puck in the offensive zone be all over us. Dominic would make a couple saves, which we knew he would, and all of a sudden we'd have two on on ones three on ones going the other way so having a good goaltender and that type of trust um i can't i can't begin to tell you how how important that is how how much of an advantage that is for um

certainly a team but the skilled players because now all of a sudden their greatest asset can be utilized and that's their anticipation yeah i like that that makes a lot of sense to me um you know i wonder if we can extrapolate that out to the buffalo sabers a team i know you follow quite closely uh things kind of falling off after a really good start there tell us about uh what's going on buffalo these days and i don't know if goaltending is an issue there at all but what are you seeing from the sabers listen they're doing what i think what we probably expected from them. They've got some young players that are skilled. They're definitely an exciting team.

They have an identity with Alex Tuck up front, and of course, Tate Thompson, who's been a beast. Seems like a human highlight reel he is, but no, they're growing. They're learning, and I certainly didn't think that they'd be the best right out of the gates. And they had a great start to their season. But I think they've come back to where they probably fit.

I think they deserve to win some games. And they're going to win games. And they're exciting to watch. And I think for the fan in Buffalo, at least they can grasp a hold of an identity to this team. And, I mean, listen, Don Granato has done a nice job in Buffalo, and his players respond. Now, they need to be better, and it's difficult to win in the National Hockey League, and certainly with goaltending

that's not elite. The only way the Sabres are going to make a run and a push is if their goaltenders really have save percentages over 9, 20, or 30 and even higher goals or lower goals against Buffalo. They struggle that way, but you know what? I think that's been expected. Their young defense are learning, but I'll tell you what, Owen Power and Darlene, these two young guys, they can play. They're going to be in the conversation for trophies

and individual awards throughout their careers, I believe. It's just they have to learn. We're joined by former NHLer Brad May, Buffalo, Toronto, Stanley Cup champion with Anaheim Ducks. And speaking of Buffalo, Maydayday speaking of goaltending uh eyebrows were raised upon the news that cal peterson who signed a five times five million dollar contract with the la kings is on waivers would you see the buffalo sabers putting a claim in on him as early as tomorrow? Well, the interesting part is, I got to be honest, Nick, I don't know.

So the answer would be that. I don't know what they're going to do. But I would say Cal Peterson, he was part of the Buffalo Sabres organization way back when, when he was in college. And he became a free agent, if I'm not mistaken, and signed with L.A. So there has been a little bit of a lineage there to the Sabres. The question is, are you really – I mean, even though this player is up for grabs, are the Buffalo Sabres, are they thinking they're going to win more games

with Cal Peterson on term, or would you get through this season with what you have and maybe with Band-aids if, if it comes to that and wait to spend the money on, you know, maybe a goaltender that you really covet. I'm not sure where that, where they're at, but that was big news out of LA for sure. You know,

I'm not a generally a proponent of Jen of tanking, but are the Sabres in the position now where they're best off to lose? Or is it like, okay, it's time to win hockey games. We want our guys to be in more competitive games later in the year. Where do you sit on what's best for the Sabres? Well, I would say this without a doubt.

Any team that actually would actually enter into the whole tanking element, you know, from management down. First of all, the players are playing for contracts. So the players are not tanking. They need to play well enough so that somebody values them, you know, going forward. from management down, first of all, the players are playing for contracts. So the players are not tanking. They need to play well enough so that somebody values them going forward. So as an individual on that team, there's no tanking going on. Now, if it ends up happening where the team struggles and finds themselves in the bottom of the pack at the end of the season

or late in the season, I could see that obviously being a great thing for the Sabres and with the ability, you know, with Brooke Burrard, right? Excuse me. I knew that. Yeah. But guard Connor, but guard he's obviously amazing player, but you know what? Any team that tanks, I think karma is a B. And I think teams that have done it, it's, done it, it's come back to bite them. And not to mention, you know, the growth of all the players that they do have is stunted if you're going to try to lose games and play games like that

and not put your best foot forward. And again, Donnie Granato, listen, even if the team gets where they, let's say that would be the mandate, then Don Granato's going to lose his job. Because at the end of the day, they're gauged on wins and losses and development of players. And I think if some team wants to tank, then their players aren't going to develop, and that's an indictment on the GM and the coach.

You know, and there's some nights I'm watching, and I don't see any fans in the building here, and I'm watching, and we've got a nickname for Tage Thompson, Tage Lemieux, remarkable watching how big he is, the movement. And there is a flow to his game that does remind me of Mario Lemieux, but you've got to win those people back, don't you, Brad? Yeah, no doubt. And, you know, listen, people are sick and tired of losing.

And, you know, we know in Toronto, Toronto the losing obviously the element is in the playoffs they've put together great regular seasons recently but at the end of the day people and fans and if you're going to put up your money to support your team it's about development and excitement and winning really at the end of the day so for Buffalo they have a football team that they're very interested in, so there's money to be shared if the Sabres start winning and get really exciting. But if I'm a Buffalonian and I have to manage my budget, if I'm spending money on entertainment,

it's going to be concerts and the Bills, I would think. But they can still watch the team on TV. But they need a little more excitement there. They got off to a good start. I know they have. I've talked to my friends in Buffalo. They are happy with where they're at. They want to be better.

It's a growth period. And I think if they give Kevin Adams a little bit more time, I hate that word of time, because I think it's all about winning now. But if they give him a little bit more time, I think he's demonstrated that he's been able to improve that team with some of his personnel decisions. So I'm happy for Buffalo. I think they're going to be a team to reckon with, but not immediately, but hopefully in the near future.

You'd mentioned Owen Power on the back end there and kind of going to win individual awards eventually how has the rookie season gone so far what are you seeing out of him again i'm not i haven't watched as much as i probably you know have and should if i'm going to be speaking on their behalf but i've been watching owen I mean, he's a big guy. At the end of the day, it's about reads for a defenseman. It's about having the trust in your goaltending. And when you're not 100% in sync, a young player probably gets exposed. But Owen Power, this guy's going to be a player.

He's got the frame. He's got the ability. Listen, nobody's going to be – And it'd be awfully hard to say he's a headman out of Tampa, but he's got that same body type. He's got an ability on the upside offensively. I think

the ceiling, we don't know what it is for this player. Olin Power is going to be a heck of a player, and he's going to eat a lot of minutes for the Buffalo Sabres. But again, it's trial and error, and he doesn't have the greatest of teammates to really support that player yet. But as the Buffalo Sabres continue to grow,

this player is only going to get better. One more quick one before I let you go. I think it's going to be a lot of Marner, Ty, Darryl Sittler, Eddie Olchuk for the consecutive point streak tonight. I certainly hope so. I think Mitch Marner, I think, of all the players, I'm a Mitch fan for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

I like the way he conducts himself. I was reading an article today that Mark Giordano was talking about, not only how well he's played, but it's the confidence that he's given his defensemen by being low and slow in his own end. He's actually been in good

position, breaking up plays of course on the backside, but also his communication with his defensemen. He always wants the puck and when players are confident, that's what happens and Mitch is right there. He's at the top of his game and I would love to see him. I'd love to see him

get this record and continue it and see how far he can push it. Any comparisons at all to Pat LaFontaine and just the vision and the creativity at all for you? You know, I wouldn't say Pat LaFontaine, maybe because of their size, right? A little undersized, shorter. Right-handed shots.

I see that, but I see Patty La lafontaine as being a real engine like joe bear pro type skater who could fly low center of gravity where mitch is a little more darty and um and he's just so aware of where time and space is um i mean not too many players hit the you know offensive blue line and can go east west and and you know with the puck and the confidence to find and wait for you know plays to open up and i i think patty drove the bus a little bit more um you know more straight lines i think mitch is really really um he's adept at um changing his angles and and really for a small player he doesn't put himself in you know really vulnerable positions which is is elite, right?

And so I wouldn't compare him to Paddy, but I'd compare him to a left-handed shot, Patrick Kane maybe. Nice. Nice. You know, where the two of them, it's all about opportunity, and, you know, they don't need a lot of time once the puck's on their stick in the right area. Yeah, well, one's a Porsche, one's a Ferrari, they don't need a lot of time once the puck's on their stick in the right area well one's a Porsche one's a Ferrari I don't

know but they both have engines man that can really push teams hey Mayday thanks for doing this man I appreciate it guys you guys are always awesome love listening oh appreciate you thanks man alright Brad May we're going to go to break in a few minutes you want to

go to Sheldon Keefe on Marner's impact? Yes, absolutely I do. Mitch has been in this league a good while now, and we've all seen him at his best, and it looks a lot like it is right now. And there's really no area of our game and of our team and the energy of our group that he is not involved in and not a big part of and um i think we have a player playing the way that he is right

now and and that it's not just about himself it's about serving the team and doing what he can to help us win i think that just helps the confidence of your group. And like I say, your best players are like that. You've got a real good chance of winning every night. I am. Yeah, he's good. Put a cherry on top of that. You know, in all facets of the game. You know, we've talked about it on this show,

and we talked about it on Leafs Talk on Monday night. There's not a thing he's not doing. Giordano's got praise for him. He defensively when he's gone he's gone right he's going all time right now so uh well-earned praise for for a guy like mitch um that up brought up pat laffontaine and as you know i love to do i went to his i went to his hockey db page and in 8283 he played with the verdun Juniors and the KUJHL. The numbers are off the charts, buddy. Do you know what they are?

I want to say like 104 goals or something like that. Well, Kipper, you would be exactly right. Wow. Nailed it. And the confetti comes down. 104 goals and 130 assists. Yeah. 234 points in 70 games anyone else get the what do i get for that um you win

played with jean maurice cool i think who had 149 points in 70 games. Jean-Marie's could have played with a wrong-handed nerf stick and still had 100 points. 234 points. I agree with, uh, with Brad that, uh, well,

just not as a dynamic of a skater. And it was like, when Pat's gone, he's gone. Right. And Mitch doesn't, doesn't quite have that, uh,

electric stride, but it's different, right right he still makes the game come to his pace different engines yeah for sure it is funny how when you watch marner it seems slow he's not slow but it seems slow because he he's so in control like watching him in that islanders game when we were sitting you know six rows up you know the things he's doing he's doing it this insane pace but he's so in control and his heads up that you don't realize that it's happening at 100 miles per hour like when you're in like a rolls royce or something well he's chasing a legend tonight in daryl sittler uh we're gonna have the hall of famer after the break talk about his consecutive point streak and what he sees out of Mitch Marner chasing number 18.

That and more after the break. You're watching, listening, Real Kipper and Born. This is Real Kipper and Born on Sportsnet 590, The Van. As promised before the break, I'm going to bring in Daryl Sittler, now Leaf legend, Hall of Famer. And first and foremost, Daryl, we've got to apologize. We know it's been a very emotional month for you, and you've been so gracious, not only with people at Sportsnet, but the media all over the place for your generous time.

We won't keep you long. We just thought in light of Mitch Marner chasing your history, Eddie Olchuk's history, we thought it would be kind of fun to bring you on. Thanks for doing this. Can I ask if you had a chance to catch your breath? Well, yeah. thanks for doing this and can I ask if you had a chance to catch your breath well yeah actually Lou and I came to Florida about a week and 10 days ago to spend American Thanksgiving

with my son Ryan and my grandson Luke who was home and had some friends now and they've left so we've got this week we're staying down and coming back to Toronto on Saturday so yeah it's been good obviously with Boria and all that that's a time in all of our lives we'll always remember. Precious moments with Boria.

It was great that he had the opportunity to get here with his family, and everything kind of went the way it did. Unfortunately, he died too young, but at the same time, he's at peace now. It's an awful disease, as we all know and uh the suffering is over and we just think of the fond memories of boya and just on that note we're going to announce that toronto maple leafs will do a fundraiser for als action canada and we'll make more comments on that uh after we get a few thoughts from you out of Mitch Marner and what you've seen out of him. And, you know, we assume that you'll be watching the game tonight.

Yeah, actually, Jack Palaket's coming over. He's down here and my son, Ryan. So we're going to cook a few burgers on the barbecue and watch the Leafs. Yeah, I've been following Mitch, obviously. He's a great player. He's had a great career with us thus far. And he's one of those guys, when he's's on the ice lots of creative scoring chances happen and the fact that he's gone 17 games I mean he could keep it going quite a while longer and as you guys know when you play sometimes you

you have good games and you don't get any points for whatever reason are you the fourth man on the third man on an assist or something like that. And then there's other games where it just kind of falls into place, even though you didn't play as well. So I like Mitch's game. He's very conscious defensively, too. Good penalty killer. And, yeah, we'll be watching with interest. It's certainly back in my day, to be quite honest with you,

when I was asked about it recently, I didn't remember actually doing it. And somebody said, well, you're nervous going into the game. I didn't even know. I mean, you don't have the internet back then. I think Stan Abodiak, he was the statistician. And once in a while, they'd have it on the pregame press notes on what was happening. But that was kind of the extent of it back then. So I didn't have any idea what the record was before,

who had it before me, but obviously when Eddie Olchuk got 18 points back in 1990, then it kind of came to the forefront again for me. So just my understanding before JB jumps in here, we still don't know whose record you broke? Well, it was somebody back in the 30s. You can probably look it up. I ask about it. I forget.

It wasn't a familiar name that I knew. Yeah. But, hey, give you something to do when you get up. Yeah, absolutely. Get on that, Sammy. There you go. That's great. So I guess it's a question of how much you were aware of individual milestones,

you know, whether it be the streak or not. Did you ever think about those when you're nearing, you know, maybe it's 30 goals, 40 goals, whatever the number is on an individual season. Did you ever focus on that sort of stuff, or was it easy to just kind of carry on and play your same game and let the numbers fall as they may? Well, that was more of the latter yeah just carry on and play but you you know when you when you had 29 goals and you're going for 30 you knew that because that was a

stat that was right there when you get into these more uh you know game streaks and those sort of thing they're they're obviously not in front of you all the time so it has to be a statistician uh that comes to you and makes you aware of us or makes the press aware of it, you know? I mean, as you guys know now, you can look up anything so quickly and have it at your fingertips and right in front of you right away. So, no, I didn't pay much attention to that. I think the goal thing or point thing was, you know, guys would have bonuses back then and, hey, we weren't making a lot of money, so you'd be getting a bonus

for 30 or 40 goals. You know, that extra five grand or 1500 bucks was significant so you paid a little bit more attention to it for sure and the other thing too daryl and mitch marner has shown that he could drive a line whether it is matthews or tavaris there is magic on both sides of that uh certainly in my heyday watching you and Lanny and Errol Thompson. You need that type of chemistry or this never happens, correct? Well, what happened to back in that era with Lanny, Errol Thompson, myself, Boya, Salming, and Turnbull,

you put that five unit on and on a power play, there's a good chance you're going to get some scoring chances and score no different than our team. Now, you know, you got obviously Austin, Mitch, Tavares and Nylander, you know, Riley, when he was healthy. So that in itself, power plays are going to give you an added edge to, you know, to score for sure. And we have that you an added edge to you know to score for sure and we have that on our team and you know that's why um you know we have such a good team and it's exciting we can we can put the goals up on the scoreboard uh consistently game in and game out for sure

what are your thoughts on the different way that the team is having success this year they certainly can score but haven't scored as much but they seem better defensively the numbers at least bear that out what are your thoughts on sort of a different playing style out of this year's team well obviously the coaching staff and the upper management know that it's pretty crucial for this year for our team to be successful in the playoffs and as we all know as players it it's those habits you have and learn and play consistently through the season that might help you get through that playoff round.

And our guys have experienced, you know, some devastating losses, unfortunately. And now they, not that they didn't know before, but I think they're paying a little bit more attention to it. The other thing too is, you know, our goaltending has been pretty good, you know, and you have to have that. There was always that question in the back of our heads

whether the two new guys were coming in, and we had some injuries on top of that. So we're playing more of a team game. I think, obviously, with this streak going on with Mitch, I know myself as a player, it's nice when you're focusing on something like that, but the team's winning. If the team was losing and going through a tough time and you're looking to get a record, you really don't care to talk about that too much but it's

nice that he can enjoy it and the team's been winning the last number of games and playing good hockey so that makes it more enjoyable for everybody involved hey daryl uh no problem handing this one over to mitch martyr but don't you dare touch my 10 pointpoint-a-night record there, correct? There you go. Well, that one's going to be tough, eh? Oh, boy, is it ever. But when you say that, Mitch had six in the game last year, and, I mean, hey, the number of chances scored in any game, even back in my day, doesn't happen very often. But never say never.

That's what makes sport interesting. And, you know, I watch Connor McDavid different nights, and the number of scoring chances he has or creates, him and Dreisaitl, if it all comes together, you never know. But, you know, it'll be tough. It's been 46, 47 years coming up. A lot of great players haven't been able to do it. So it'll be tough.

If we go by what we saw out of Seattle and the Kings last night, 9-8. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, how did that happen? I don't know. I just saw the score. I don't know. Goaltending is the answer. I think it was a late field goal.

Yeah. Hey, Darrell. Sometimes it's fun to watch that. You know, the 1-0 game, you appreciate that as a coach, but those scoring games, it's fun to watch and good, exciting hockey for the fans for sure. Enjoy the burgers. Enjoy the game. Say hi to Jack for us.

Enjoy your time off. Okay. Well deserved. Thanks for the call. And we'll be watching the night for sure. Thanks so much. Appreciate it. Daryl Sittler and my childhood hero, by the way.

Wow. Yeah. Did you ever attempt to call him Mr.? So my first training camp in Philadelphia and Daryl's on the team. And I get a note from the trainer saying, Daryl wants to talk to you. And I'm like, oh, my God, come on. Yeah. And it was kind of set up because a few people knew

that he was my hero growing up. And he pulled me along the side and he just came out of the shower. He's wearing a robe. As one does. Oh yeah, it was a red, it was a velvet robe

Legend And you know, he's just trying his best To kind of just, you know Be as gracious as he can And you know, get me to calm down As an 18 year old And I couldn't even talk I was like

Cliff Clavin from Cheers Talking to a girl. And that was my first time I ever met him. And I would buy his jersey at the old Doug Laurie Sporting Goods store at Maple Leaf Gardens. I love that. And somehow, someway, I got a hold of a CCM hockey stick he used to use, which in itself had a kind of like a feel of something special, like the Wonderbat and the natural or something for me. Did you ever run up into any moments of conflict on the ice

where you're like, I should hit him here? It's a scrimmage, and it's Daryl Sittler. He had a bad back in training camp and I got sent back before I ever stepped on the ice with him. That's good. You would hate to have a bad moment where you go out there. I mean, my autograph book would fall out of my eye. That's what would have happened if I was on the ice with him.

I always just think of like Bill Guerin chopping Brett Draney or whoever it was back in the day in training camp. Like, you know, you didn't, at least when I was there, Kipper, like you weren't supposed to run the senior veteran guys, like the guys who were established. But at the same time, someone like yourself, you're trying to make a name and show what you do. So I think there is some conflict over how much, you know,

I know I felt it at times and I was like. It's just a maturity thing. You just cross a certain line where you start looking at them less. Yeah. Like these superheroes and more as equal. Mm-hmm. And then you stop going and asking yourself why, and then you ask yourself why not.

Do you have some moments where you were playing with someone that was sort of a big reputation and go, I think I'm better than him. Wait a sec. I've never experienced that in my life. Never. Never. That's funny. Mine's like, you know, can I drag you down to my level?

That was my theory. So housekeeping from that. I'm not talking about a um house coat housekeeping here uh daryl sitler and eddie olchek of course are tied uh mitch marner is next 17 and then at 16 was dave anderchuk in 94 yeah and then it was babe die 16 games from january january mcgillicuddy in 1916 january 14th 1922 to march 8th 1922 so that was the record that 16 no the the yeah that would have been the record he broke yeah babe die babe guy's a guy right like i mean i mean i don't mean an actual man i mean no no like significant star long time john andrews legend how's it spelled? D-Y D-Y-E? D-Y-E.

And John Anderson had it 16 games as well in 83. So there you go. I ask because I had moments at my one NHL camp, but even in the NHL

a couple times where there's these names of players that you've heard your whole life and you go, huh, he's pretty human, you know, like, yeah, turn over here or whatever. And you start to think I can skate with this guy. I can play with them. I just remember like Mark Howe, my first training camp, like pull in, pull the skates out of a box sent from, you knowcm or something yeah putting them on and just skating out there like the wind yeah i'm like oh my god how do you do that so i got to play in the

colonna summer shinny game with players much better than me because i knew people and i went out with uh danny heatley and jerome mcginla when they were on the olympic team yeah and that was the one moment of my career where I went, I'll never be that. It doesn't matter how many hours in the gym, how much, whatever. Yeah, it's not happening. It's just such a different level. The true greats like that, Danny Heatley was, I mean, I know we... You could have used a little of my theory of how do I pull them down?

How do I pull them down? How do I pull them down? You couldn't pull Jerome McGinley down. Not a chance. I remember him like off foot snapping a puck from his own blue line and hitting the far crossbar and just being like, man, that's different. So I was just down this wormhole now with point streaks. In the top 10 point streaks, how many of them do you think are Wayne Gretzky? I think it's five of 10.

You're saying out of 10? Yeah. Seven? No, it's five. Five. I saw someone asked you, ask Sammy how many points Gretzky had on his 51 gamer. I don't know if that's possible.

I do have it. I have it literally right in front of me. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. 51 games Wayne Gretzky in that era? 50, I'm going to go over 100. Wow. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah?

Oh, yeah. Were you going to go under 100? I was going to say like. Oh, no. Okay. I want to go like 122. North. Oh, my God.

It's ridiculous. I can't wait to read this to you guys. I'm just going to do it it 147 now uh gretzky scored 61 goals and 153 points over a 51 game span finishing with 100 with 87 goals and 205 points and 74 points a game for 51 games do that yeah that's i mean i you know i bristle at the fact of people being like oh you know it's like oh it's a different era yeah that's i mean i you know i bristle at the fact of people being like oh you know it's like oh it's a different era yeah it's he scored 87 games no one else did that he had 205 points in a season my theory is gretzky is actually a time traveler it was like because i always say like imagine if like you put so and so back in that era how'd they do that's what happened gretzky

just went back in time and played i don't i don't think the coaches invented third man high till 1973 that's what i think i don't i think it just came in the year i came in uh maybe in uh 91 teams had to change the strategy of four guys below the opposing goal line and i just have been on two on ones-ones and three-on-twos Like every shift It certainly feels like it statistically anyway And I mean Mario had a pretty decent one too 46 games He had 39 goals and 103 points over a 46 game span So not bad too

I loved watching Lemieux play Me too, he was my favorite when I was a kid I mean I hated him because he was on the Like I hated the Penguins because it was always kind of I mean he had that big return game against the Leafs Where he scored two when he came back And he was on the – like, I hated the Penguins because it was always kind of – I mean, he had that big return game against the Leafs where he scored two when he came back, and it was so – everyone was like, oh, yeah. Yeah, good for him, but my Leafs lost.

It was sad. All right. I hate that era. We got one more Kippers Clipper with Sheldon. Keep talking about Marner's point streak. Let's have a listen. You get into streaks like this because you don't make a big deal of it. You just focus and you go out and you play.

And then you focus on your game and you focus on the process of what makes you great. And then all of a sudden, you know, you get 10, 12 games in, you're like, ah, I got a pretty good thing going on. So, you know, we come back home here and it's going to be, it's getting close to tying the record or whatever. It's going to naturally becomes a focal point, but not outside of this room.

You know, in our room, it's our guys are, you know, you want to see your players get rewarded and you want to see them get accolades and all these things, but always understand what has gotten you to that point. The moment you get off track with that, then it doesn't go your way. I think it's, I like what he's saying there because, The moment you get off track with that, then it doesn't go your way. I think it's – I like what he's saying there because – and Daryl kind of alluded to it too. Now it's a thing, right?

Like you're going out there tonight. He hasn't been thinking about it really, I bet. But now, you know, you got a chance to tie the team record. We talked about this last year with Matthews getting to 60 and Marner, remember him trying to get to 100 points. Like now it's a milestone thing. So you're probably thinking about it for the first time tonight. I would agree with that.

So now that we know what Gretzky's number is, 51, like, where would it have to go for you to become a huge deal? So I'm glad you said that. For Marner? Because I didn't want to look like a hater. For anybody. I can't get over the fact that I'm, like, I don't know, like, 18 games. Like, I'm not you said that. For Marner? I didn't want to look like a hater. For anybody. I can't get over the fact that I'm like, I don't know, like 18 games. Like I'm not, you know, but you're right.

Like if we get to 30 games or something, I think it's like daily watch, right? Like, I don't know. The longest in the last 10 years was Patty Kane, 26 games. From October 17th, 2015. Yeah, so I guess it's really hard to get a point every game. Yeah, 26 games. I guess that's a lot. That is a lot.

See, for Mitch now, you're like, all right, I want a big number here. I don't want to make it easy for the next guy. 18, 20,

22. Like if he finishes at 18 or 19, someone on his team might pass it this year. Including himself. Or sooner. Yeah. I'm quite surprised that it's been 30 years. Yeah.

Right, Eddie Olchuk? Is it 30 years? When did Eddie do it? 89, 90? I hate to break it to you guys here, but the Leafs haven't been great. Yeah, it was. They haven't been great. Yeah, it was. They haven't been superstar-laden.

Old Chuck's was December 2nd. 89. Yeah, 89 to January 8th, 1990. So, Matt Sundin's longest loss or Gilmore's or. Sundin had a 30-game one, but that was with the. 30. That was with the Nordiques. Quebec Nordiques.

See, to me, that's the number that mitch would want three zero that one would make it really certainly certainly can do it yeah this team but what's i think the number when we start talking about it like a big thing is like 22 23. yeah start getting up there yeah well then yeah you're talking about canes and the biggest in the last 10 years and yada, yada. Yeah. Future Leaf, Patrick Kane. Future Ranger, Patrick Kane. Future Bruin, Patrick Kane.

What do you think of the analogy of Patrick Kane and Marner? I don't really see it. Oh, yeah. Do you? Yeah. Not the biggest guys, but. East, west. Yeah.

I think of Kane as more of a shooter, I guess. He is more of a shooter. Yeah, not the biggest guys, but... East-West. Yeah, and... I think of Kane as more of a shooter, I guess. He is more of a shooter. Yeah, he is. He's got that ability from 20, 30 feet to beat you out there with a snap of the wrist. Tell me if... And Mitch doesn't have that. But as far as vision and mobility and creativity,

the comparisons were there with Pat Kane. I feel like I'm going to get killed for this one, but a Sedin for Mitch Marner. Sedins. East-West, not the fastest, great vision. Yeah. Not pure shooters necessarily. Hall of Famers.

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's just the, yeah. It's hard to compare anyone to the Sedins to me. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's just... It's hard to compare anyone to the Sedins. Yeah, they are... It's always just been strange to me. They're their own animal. Why'd they have to wear 2233? You know? It's always just weird to me.

It's a different story for a different day. I want to follow up on Cal Peterson being on waivers here. Yeah. It's a big story. Let's go back to... on Cal Peterson being on waivers here. Yeah. Okay. It's a big story. Let's go back to Murray and Samsonov hurt and a guy like this comes up. Do you think at any point that the Leafs

would have entertained claiming him? Matt Murray came out and was a dog in his first showing and then he got hurt. If he came out and was a dog in his first showing. And then he got hurt. If he came back and he was bad for three games, they would say, huh, this is almost the same contract. Peterson's actually only a three-year deal. So he's this year and two more. At five million.

At five million. You can see them being like, look, it's basically the same deal. We don't think Murray can stay healthy or do it. Do we want Cal instead? I could totally see that being a question they would ask themselves, but then how do you get rid of the Murray money and yada yada. But yes, I could see there being,

having been an alternate universe where this is more intriguing to the Leafs. It obviously isn't now, but I'm going to throw something out, Sammy. And it's not Leaf related. Okay. Would Kenny Holland just call LA and say,

Do you want Jack Campbell back? Oh, my God. Do you want Jack back? And we'll take... Oh, my God. Are you okay, Sammy? Yeah, I hit my head on the microphone. Yeah, just move on.

Don't you guys think of these things? No. No no absolutely not they are capital s stuck with that contract pal who's taking that maybe la maybe la could sit there and say we just don't like cal anymore and if we're gonna pay five million we'll we'll welcome back this cal peterson thing is really you know what it strikes me as? Angry reactionary stuff off last night. Last night. Yeah.

Not just last night, obviously, but three years ago, he plays 11 games. He's a 924. Two years ago, he plays eight games. He's a 922. Sorry, we're going back. It was actually two years ago. Plays 35 games. 35 games.

He's a 911. Last year, he's just below 900. League average average is 907 it's not atrocious and this year he's off to a bad start all of a sudden they're giving up on this guy no so what happens to me is they're mad at how he's been playing they put him in a game where they've already given up four goals they score eight more times and he can't give him that one save and the coaches come in the office and they go done get him out of here i can't ship him you can't win with this guy get him out of here like don mattingly getting thrown out of the jays games this year ship them i i don't see i don't see la uh tacking on you said two extra years right yeah at five million for jack but sometimes teams money being equal will make a say uh make a change for the sake of just making a change and and trying new energy i don't know

anything about cal peterson but if it's equal money and you don't like a guy i'm just saying if they don't if they're like you know what this guy's being a jerk or something, then they'll say, well, let's just bring the, if we're going to have bad goaltending, at least bring me the guy who's nice. Can have a party for his cat. Jack Campbell is way too relatable for me. Love that guy. All right. Where else do you want to go? We should probably go to break.

Oh, sorry. We're going to go to break? Yeah, let's go to break. Oh, we have a break? Yeah, we got a break, and then we'll go to Gordo afterwards. Oh, we got Gordo. Yeah, because he's doing the game tonight for Sportsnet 590 fans. Oh, is he with our buddy Gunner?

Oh, yeah. They got the game on the station. They'll be down there. And coverage begins at 630 for them, right, Sammy? Yes, sir. Sportsnet 590, the station. They'll be down there. And coverage begins at 6.30 for them, right, Sammy? Yes, sir. 4-7-5-9 to the fan. Listen, before we go to break, can you just mention the fundraiser for the Toronto Maple Leafs?

Is it tonight, Sammy? I'm just looking at it here. Do you want to do that coming off a break? I can read this if you like. Yeah, read it. Yeah. The Toronto Maple Leafs will raise funds for ALS Action Canada in memory of Leafs legend Borya Salming

by offering a special one-day promotion with all net proceeds of sales of the team's reverse retro sweater going to the designated charity. All team sweaters from Wednesday's game against the San Jose Sharks will also be auctioned off this week with all proceeds benefiting ALS

Action Canada. In addition, the commemorative sweater patch worn by the team to honor salming following news of his passing last week will be made available to the public for purchase with all net proceeds from the sales for the remainder of the season going to the same charity all right nice job awesome read that's awesome stuff by the least way better than what sammy would have done absolutely i would have butchered that. Okay, we'll take a quick break, and we'll be back with some Stelictricity.

Yep. Nick Kiprios, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee, back after these words. This is Real Kipper and Bourne on Sportsnet 590, The Van. The Toronto Maple Leafs getting ready to host San Jose Sharks on Sportsnet 590 The Fan. Coverage starts at 630 with Brent Gunning, Gunner. Gunner.

And this man right here. He's legendary. My bad. I'm calling him now. Oh, my God. We just got the heartbreak That might have been my best Intro ever for Gord Stelic

All the other ones are like Are you in the laundry room? Are you at a dog pound? Are you grocery shopping Gord? He just needs a second. What is he doing? Now we've derailed. Jesus, Murphy.

That's in the seats. I'll calm it. Just don't start it. Okay. It says right here, Gord Stelic, 415. My fault. It's my fault. I'll take it. It's on me.

Yeah, no problem. Just talk amongst yourselves. He's here. We have Gord. He's on the air. Can you hear him? Oh my God, I thought that was Derek playing these little sound bites. Let's start the interview over. Gord Stelic, take two.

Kippy, you know what? I'm sitting here, Scotiabank Arena, and just to take the call, and all of a sudden they do all, I'm sitting in the empty seats watching the double Zambonis going, I'm watching the guys doing the upholstery, and now they just exploded

with the testing of the scoreboard. So there you go. That's the ambience. I'm here like in a warehouse here now. I've tucked in a storage room. Anyway, I don't think I'm supposed to be here. I think. It's right up there with all your appearances ambience like i'm here like in a warehouse here now i've tucked in a storage room oh anyway well we appreciate it i think it's right up there with all your appearances on our show isn't it well honestly just when just when you guys phoned it just hit so anyway yeah it is it is it's always

a actually got all kinds of stuff here how are you doing all right we know you're preparing for the the big game uh we're just to pick your brain a little bit here. There's not a chance of a letdown here by the Toronto Maple Leafs on a night that Mitch Marner's chasing history. No, no. I mean, you know, particularly the way teams travel now and everything, it used to be the old thing

about the first road game back after or first home game after a road game. I don't think so. I just, you know, there's a wave they're on, and the mojo is the team, and I'd be really disappointed. And also, San Jose's got to be a little bit tired. I mean, a big win for them last night in Montreal, but, you know, they use the old who's the tired, who's the rested team,

and it's the Toronto Maple Leafs. So this juggernaut, this juggernaut's going to continue, I think, one more night. Anyway. Yeah, they're humming along here pretty good. One of the things that's going pretty well is Rasmus Sandin on the power play. What are your thoughts on how he's been lately for this team, right? He seems like one of the bright spots in a season where, you know,

he wasn't for a little while at the beginning. Yeah, Justin, love it. I love everybody seizing the opportunity because you see this happen so often. What does everybody want? An opportunity. Guys get hurt, and then the person gets a chance to play and isn't able to come up to snuff. So I really like the fact that he can be – I don't want to call it reckless,

but the word – he's got some kind of moxie to him on that. And getting the chance on the power play, I mean, really, if you would have – in August, if we would have talked about being in this game, any game, with the three best defensemen down, then you had Jordy Ben as well. Like, you figured you're screwed. And, you know, him and, of course, the veteran like Giordano with Justin Hall

and that, that's something that's been great to see. And I also think, you know, you're trying to look for positives, what could play out in the playoffs. And I think this is one, the depth players coming through at a critical time when they really need it. Because, you know, the depth players haven't been relied on and really haven't come through that much in the playoffs down the road.

So all of a sudden, a guy like Rasmussen Sandin is a great example about, you know, who might have been a fringe player when you get closer in the playoffs. But, you know, he's showing that, hey, when the pressure's on or whatever, more ice time, I can grow with it. Are you okay? What's going on in the background? Because like, are you bus boying at the hot stove for Nick? Like, no, no, I'm in a, like, I'm serious. I ducked into a room here. Like I got here's Raptor shirts in front of me and they got gloves and everything. So I, I just like, I got off the concourse here,

music just going. Cords wearing the Carlton the Bear costume. Hey, what do you want, guys? There's a box here. What do you got, Kippy? Do you still have your Sports Illustrated phone football, Kippy? I do. Of course I do.

Okay. I got, well, I got some, anyway, it's like the old days. I'm literally at the bowels of Scotiabank Arena. You know, that's where I cut my teeth at the, you know, Maple Leaf Gardens and that. So that's what I'm getting. I'm getting the inside dirt, huh? Not to jinx anything here for Mitch Marner, but how high can this thing go here for him,

the team in terms of his consecutive streak here? Is it easier today than it was 10 or 20 years ago, in your opinion? Boy, those kind of streaks are never really easy. I don't think so. I mean, you know, Eddie Olchuk got it on, you know, lots of goals when he scored back then. Darryl got it when, you know, Roger Nielsen played kind of more of a two-way system back. But I give them all – and Kippy. Okay, Kippy and Justin, two things.

You know, one is, boy, hear the horn. Why are they testing this stuff out at 4.15 in the afternoon, man? What the hell is going on here? Jesus. So anyway, do I miss the game or something? So anyway, okay, two things, two things. One is, to Justin's point about Sandin and company, okay, no longer excuses about, oh, God, we didn't have John Tavares.

We lost to Montreal. Oh, goodness, we didn't have Jake Muzzin. Okay, this is what great teams do. I don't know why there's always that easy go for injuries. So they're playing through the injuries. And the other one, Mitch Marner, why is every article or everything I hear or see about silencing his critics? There are no critics, okay? That goes back to... What, have you been in a cave?

That's all he's done. Oh, no, no. The contract. Get out in the sunlight, Kip. Get off the Twitter guys and all that stuff. No, no, no. It's real, Gord. It's real.

What are you talking about? He's beloved. How could you... Come on. Give me a break. Again, it goes back to playoff series that, oh my goodness, we had an injury. Oh my goodness,

we got criticized too much. We should have got criticized those two playoff series. It's past its history. He is the first team all-star the last two years. He'll probably be one of the greatest Leafs ever. Yeah. It didn't really start that way out with Babcock. You know that, right?

Babcock's not the fans. Babcock's gone now, 100%. Mike Babcock, you kidding me? He cost him a playoff series against Boston. He showed he was boss. Alston Matthews, you play one minute. Patrick Marleau, you play eight. Mitchie Marner played great against the Boston Bruins.

You're 100% right about that. I'm just saying right now, are you kidding me? This guy's beloved. How can he not be beloved? I just, every time I hear something, it references that. He gets a new dog, and he talks about, yeah, the dog loves you no matter what, whatever other, what do you mean? Everybody, you know, say, well, no one loves you like a dog does.

Come on. That's the best. Come home three in the morning. It's a way to greet you. But anyway, I think it's a great accomplishment, Kippy. I'd love to see him get it tonight. And, you know, just like he's been a real – like he's the guy this year that's really – you know, Austin's been Austin, not like he was last year.

Tavares has been the guy like year one. Mitch is off the planet. Like he's in another planet. He's absolutely played. If there was another level for him, which there really wasn't much room for it, he's done it this year. Well, this is actually great to take the, I'd love to get your,

you're the public temperature taking guy on the opinion of the other three stars. How about specifically Willie Nylander, a guy who I, I mean, everyone traded this guy every month since he's been a Toronto Maple Leaf, if I'm not mistaken. I don't talk to a whole lot of people

who want him traded right now. How do you feel the public views, Nylander, Tavares, Matthews, do you think it's beloved across the board? I think right now it's beloved, but you look at it, you're right. First of all, Tavares, people wondered, oh my goodness, the 11 million became

not a good number beside him. Maybe he should play the wing, whatever. Okay, and now people are, they've always appreciated that he made the big jump to come here. So that's always, there's always been that respect, but now the fact he's playing more like year one, you know, people are way more back on site. Good thing about Nylander and you would know him, Justin.

He doesn't care. He does not care. You know, he doesn't where I think people on the Marner side do. That's the thing. So, so Nylander, so what? You know, I've always said my line's always been, he's like, you know, Kippy, your boys, your kids will get older, Justin, but I kind of go, hey, our kid, Justin's a good kid, but he's got a messy room. So, you know what I say to Lisa, we'll live with the messy room. Okay. So let's just live with the messy room. He's good otherwise. And that's kind of Nylander.

And like with anybody, if a good hockey trade came up, well, you've got to look at doing it. But those trades are hard to do. And when he's on, and again, these guys have had to play much more solid two-way games with the D injuries and that. And I think I love the way they've all really risen to the occasion. So, Justin, the temperature is – hey, it's quiet now. I can go back in the seats, I think I love the way they've all really risen to the occasion. So, Justin, the temperature is, hey, it's quiet now. I can go back in the seats, I think.

Anyway, the temperature is all positive for those guys. So what you're saying is there's just a level of acceptance, especially with Willie Nylander. So Willie could absolutely disappear for the next three games, and it'd be like, oh, that's just Willie. He'll be great in game four, right? He'll come back. You know what there is, Kippy and Alan?

There's not a level of acceptance. There's a level of excitement. I didn't think they'd get a level of excitement back in the regular season. You know, tickets were kind of on the soft side early on because, you know, a lot of people are kind of saying, okay, let's wait until game number 83 and what have you. And this last run, particularly with the injuries, it's just got people pumped and jacked the last two weeks.

And sort of believing more and said, oh, my goodness, this team with some kind of adversity. And maybe this means for better things in the playoffs. But about Willie, every team has one of those guys by and large, right? Every team has one of those guys by and large. And it's about a lot of things about how the coach handles it, how about the player coming up big when you need big games. And Willie in the playoffs has actually been one of the more consistent guys

at times when they didn't really have strong playoffs. So if you're a fan, and hey, come on, you've rolled with all these guys for years, right? So you kind of know all their strengths and whatever few weaknesses they might have. Were you with the media when Eddie Olchuk had his run here? Well, no. See, I was with the team, and that was the team I was general manager of before I went to New York. So I was on the management side and then just left before the season. So, you know, Eddie O was our top scorer up there for a couple years.

So I was the Eddie O era from the time he came on. I always – we're having a fight here in the control room. Hold on here. Okay. Anyway, I don't know. They're trying – see, they're trying oh they're gonna see they're gonna mark down the kneelander sweaters now because they heard you but hey eddie o gary lehman and mark osborne i mean the dutch m line i mean that really that way that was a neat

fun line and uh it's funny that year under doug carpenter was was one of those aberrations where it just a lot of people still remember that with fondness. It didn't play great defense, but it was just kind of, and Wendell was on it, and kind of a fun year. So I'm big on Eddie Owen and everybody. I know I got Daryl on the show. Everybody's big on Daryl. Yeah, no, that's a classy guy, and we appreciated his time today.

Always like we appreciate yours. I'll get one more from me. Just looking at the starter tonight, you get Ilya Samsonov back in the net. To open up the show, we talked a bit about, you know, what a rotation should look like with him and Murray now. What do you think we should see? What do you want to see out of the Leafs goaltending here, hopefully for the rest of the way?

Yeah, well, look, I'm okay with 50-50, and then if someone gets hot and the other doesn't maybe run it a bit more but really you're in a good place as far as a playoff spot goes i mean a team like the florida panthers is one that has to kind of look at saying okay we gotta we gotta kind of kind of size things up and get settled in the playoffs so i mean all three goaltenders have played well especially especially Samsonov and Matt Murray. So, yeah, I mean, you know, give Kyle Dubas and a group credit so far about that because that was the boldest move in the offseason.

But to answer your question, like, if they're both healthy, I think about 50-50 because they've both been playing well. And you can never have enough depth in anything. That holds true with radio too, right? If you get locked into this room here, who's going to replace you? Well, I am technically trespassing. Okay, so that's, you know, like I said, what an opening. Honestly, I'm sitting in the seats.

I'm just relaxing, watching this Zamboni guy thinking of old memories at Maple Leaf Gardens. And like I said, the upholstery guy comes. I never knew one existed. He's fixing all the chairs. And then, boom, I guess they heard I was coming on your show. And then like a Broadway show, boom, there it goes. You're going to be driving the Zamboni wearing the Carlton costume

by the time the game starts. I can't wait. Well, I'm driving it. Kippy's going to wear the costume. We know if you're driving the Zamboni, it's going about three kilometers an hour. Left him on opening. Damn it. Push the game start time back 20 minutes.

People are going to Harbor 60 in between periods if you're driving the Zamboni for a quick steak. Hey, I'm back here. I got some. There's some. There's some Chris Bosch jerseys are really marked down. If you want them to. I could do some Christmas shopping for you. Grab one for Sammy.

Okay. Thanks. Thanks, Gord. Appreciate you, Gord. Okay. It's going to be tough to top that opening next time, but I'll try, okay? I was completely lost in what was happening. That was so butchered off the top.

He was there, and I didn't even know it because I thought Derek was just pushing more buttons. But I could hear him in the background. I'm like, okay, I'm talking over Derek's. I do feel like sometimes people are probably listening and then Derek plays a drop from you or I and they think that we say it in real time. It's like, wait, what? Derek just focusing on the World Cup again, I think.

Back on Mexico. So I called Gord, and literally as he picks up the phone, it sounds like he's in the front row of a Judas Priest concert. It was the loudest thing. It is loud. He's like, holy hell. He's just like screaming into the phone. I was like, what is going on?

And Kipper always gives me a hard time for where our guests are. He's always like, oh, tell him to go in a quiet room. Tell him to go in a quiet room. Make sure they're in a wind tunnel before he gets on. Which is a completely fair thing for a host to tell a producer. I'm not saying that's a – so I was like, oh, no. Kipper's going to be pissed at me about Gordo being in a rock concert. It was a whole thing.

All our guests seem lately like they're in like uh like like just called from the back of a motorcycle in a tunnel underground parking right just a quick air raid test here anyways you're doing great thanks guys all right uh we got a few uh minutes now we can just kind of relax, catch our breath a little bit, go around the league. Where do you want to go? Jack Edwards making noise now. Yeah. You know what?

Before we do that, I just want to say Chris Letang had another stroke. Yes. We hope he's okay. That happened before? Yes. 2014, if I'm not mistaken, Sammy. They had a press release, did they not? 2014 was the last time, yeah.

It's awful. So, do you have the press release, the Pittsburgh press release in front of you, Sammy? I can dig it up in one second. Yeah, just dig it up because I think they did mention that the outlook, I think, is positive. And they don't feel like his career's in jeopardy, which is great news.

Yeah. But, this is my but. Yeah. What's he have? Three cups? Three Stanley Cups and a lot of money. Three kids, a lot of money. Do you want to come back now at your age and tell you push the envelope i don't

if i'm if i'm him but i know i'm not him and i'm not i probably lacked what it takes takes to be a elite athlete for a decade plus so i'm sure he's wired differently than i am but so it's uh i mean there's not a whole lot in the release here, but it said, Letang is not experiencing any lasting effects of the stroke and will continue to undergo a series of tests over the next week. There will not be any further updates to his condition until all testing is completed and a medical plan is in place.

His condition is not believed to be career-threatening. That's from the statement. Okay. Yeah, listen, I mean, smarter people than the three of us yeah for sure you're right not gonna faux doctor this up yeah but but scary you know it's scary stuff big time and it should be a big difference between a guy thinking that he's got his whole career ahead of him and then a guy that uh you know i know he signed a new contract too was it for four years at six million bucks yeah which should be covered by insurance i'm sure

yeah again not a doctor on tv i'm not an insurance guy on tv but if there's a pre-existing situation sometimes it's not that easy and i don't know if there's an expiration date on that, if you can go a certain amount of time before the insurance companies allow you to put that on a list. He signed a six-year, $6.1 million contract. $36 million. How old is he? 35. 35? Mm-hmm. Wow, that's a million contract. $36 million. How old is he? 35. 35?

Mm-hmm. Wow, that's a big contract. I didn't think he signed for six. A lot of years. A lot of years. Yep. Well. Wishing him the best.

Yes, hope he gets to play for all those, and that's the end of that for him. And by chance, he does decide to retire. Good contract. Yeah, nice one to sign right before. If you decide to not play in LTI retirement. We wish him the best on his recovery. Jack Edwards, though.

Made some noise about his remarks about Pat Maroon last night. Yeah. During the hockey game. So should we... We have the audio. It's not the best audio audio but if you want to hear what we can play it yeah okay what's everybody listening for fat shaming essentially yeah just listen to it you'll hear what he says yeah he's talking about the audio you'll hear it you'll understand if the audio it's not like it's complete it's not like gordo by the jumbotron it's fine it might be a gordo by the we want to set it up for people that maybe think that he's Comet.

He called the game from, like, the fourth level of underground parking here. All right, let's give it a run. Listed 238 pounds. That was day one of training camp. I got a feeling he's had a few more pizzas between then and now. Yeah, that's before pregame. Right. Fasting.

Inadvertent fasting for Pat Maroon is like four hours without a meal. But, hey, three cups in a row. Who can argue with his formula? Wasn't that bad. See the audio? It was okay. No, it wasn't that bad. But the comments are just like so. No, not.

The comments are bad. The audio wasn't that bad. I don't know. Kip Ray. This. I mean, Jack. Oh, listen. He, in my opinion, he definitely crossed a line.

Yeah, you think so? Yes. Absolutely. Without a doubt. That's Bush League, man. Without a doubt. That's what it is more than anything. It's just like, hey, you're a professional.

You've done this a long time. That's Bush. Bush League. Super Bush. you know we can all sit here and pick various teams out there and and say like you don't like jack edwards or you don't like this guy and he's a homer and all of that but you just have to connect the dots on who's getting paid by who and where you know he's an employee of the boston bruins is he not jack edwards got to stay on the cup ring. I get all of that.

And for the most part, you know, he may drive the opponent's nuts, the fan base, but it's not like he's bad for sports. Right. Or bad for the Bruins or bad in any other way. So, you know, you take that with a grain of salt. A guy's just doing his job. He's supposed to have the pom-poms. He's paid by it.

We get that. This is entirely different, right? And for me, listening to those comments, and this is an organization that's coming off the signing and then... The Mitchell Miller thing. the Mitchell Miller thing. The Mitchell Miller thing. And that thing was all about bullying. So now we've gone for this organization from bullying to fat shaming.

Yeah. And like, okay, where is the Boston Bruins on this now? So Pat Maroon's response to this, it was, he tweeted that he's giving $2,000 to a charity, to the Tampa Bay Lightning. They do a charity for mental health, bullying. And he wrote in the tweet, partially for fat shaming, part of the cause.

So he's giving money. That was his only response, is a donation to charity in Jack Edwards' name, which is really as professionally as you can dunk on someone's head. You know, that called attention to the comments made Jack look worse and still did good for the community. Well done,

Pat Maroon, but as good as it gets the big rig. Yeah. I got to think we're going to hear from Jack or Cam Neely or Don Sweeney with, well, from Jack anyways. There has to be a public apology. Yeah, like they're trying to goof around and play around or whatever, but that's a little.

You think he will apologize? He said some absurd things over the years. He fires off at the mouth constantly this guy i listen i agree though kipper listen the boston bros tell you to apologize you do apologize 100 i agree with you though kipper you're allowed to be a homer that's awesome every team has a homer every team you watch a game you want your sammy we have you no no the leafs don't but legitimately when you watch other broadcasts, they're shamelessly homers, and that's the way it should be. Holy mackerel!

I mean. Touche. And God love Bonesy. That's the best rebuttal from Derek I've ever heard. Bonesy's the man. The wonderful drop-in, Monte. He's the man. Bonesy.

Calls a great game. My goodness! Bless you, boys. What a the man. Bonesy. Calls a great game. My goodness. Bless you, boys. What a game. I don't know. It's almost as if you think, like, Jack, you know, you're not just having beers at the bar here. You're on, you know, television here, live television.

You're talking to hundreds of thousands of fans here. It's like, where are you going with this pat maroon yeah they're just having a little fun goofing around and took it too far yeah so we got a number of topics to get to here what did we think of the matt matthew kachuk uh back in calgary i think the florida pan might stink. I haven't heard of any of their players. What happened? How do they suck so bad? Kachuk can't save that.

He can't take that. God, Chuck. He has not taken him to the next level when they've dropped a level or two. I'm just going through their lineup, their forwards. It's Nick Cousins and Alexi Heponyemi and E2 Lutserainen and Colin White. Pardon me? I know. You know, Josh Mahura and I don't know.

It's thin. Thin. This team won the President's Trophy last year. They will not be repeating as President's Trophy champions. Colin White. Yeah. Like, Anton Lundell's pretty good. Like, there's a lot of guys who are good, like, for Hage lundell and like they can play who else i guess yeah now are they out of a

they are on the outside yeah i mean how many times has a team won the president's trophy and then missed playoffs it cannot be common and i shouldn't have thought of that right now but i can look into that later but i can't think of it offhand teams just plummeting like this i can't remember now they're they're 10 10 wins there has to be a few yeah they're 10 wins through 23 games the panthers 522 winning percentage negative goal differential like it's not good well it's not good and boy brobroski looked bad last night yeah bad and on the other end vladar looked really good he's big goalie thought he was moving around the goalie controversy uh bruin and calgary there i think markstrom's an 890 something right now and Vladar is 913.

It's not like he's been on fire for them or anything like that. What else we got here on these guys? I have information on the President's Trophy thing. Only three times in the history of the President's Trophy has a team missed the playoffs the season after winning the award.

The New York Rangers, who won the trophy in 91-92 season and missed the playoffs in 92-93, rebounded to win both the President's Trophy and Stanley Cup in 93-94. That's what got Roger Nielsen fired. Buffalo Savers won the trophy in 06-07 and missed in 07-08.

And the Boston Bruins in 13-14 missed the playoffs in 14-15. That's got to be the most ever-experienced voice on our show. Nailed it. Yeah. Nailed it. Great job, Derek. Ladies and gentlemen, that's Derek.

Mr. Derek. Mr. Derek Brandale. But yeah, that's it's a member of the Beatles. I do. I do think that they're going to miss the playoffs. I do, too.

I think they stink. That is just shocking. I don't know if it is. But then now it's like, is Detroit good enough to get in there what do they have the leafs had 115 they had something ridiculous yeah 120 points or something 24 yeah a ton of points what's crazy is that meant the door was open for a team like the ottawa senators or someone like that to climb in i guess you can make the case detroit could be sniffing around or maybe it'll just be boston toronto tampa yes and no one else from the atlantic the florida panthers last year went 58

and 18 and 6 for 122 points 12 What a season. Plus 94 goals differential. Because, yeah, you look at the other division right now. You look at the Metro. Jersey, the Islanders, and Carolina are in clean playoff spots. And then, like, Pittsburgh is out. The Rangers are out. Sorry, Pittsburgh's in a wild card. The Rangers are out.

Like, they got a couple of teams sniffing around. God forbid the Capitals ever get going. That could be a tight finish in that division. Probably put in five teams. I don't know. Does Boston beating Tampa Bay last night kind of solidify that Tampa will not catch the Bruins? And even the Leafs. What are the Leafs?

They're five back. They played way more games. Those are two more games in hand on the Boston Bruins. So it's 5-9. Probably not. The Bruins goal differential is plus 40. 20 games into the season. Did you see Nick Foligno last night?

I did not. Looking pretty good. Yeah. Healthy. Happy. What the hell? could he used him in the playoffs um after gary gets done with the the meeting in tempe for council yeah i'm gonna have a meeting with him myself get rid of these stupid playoff rules enough of this it's like every year the least they're playing in the best division in the league and they got to play against the

other best teams in the league because they're in a good division. It's so stupid. 1-8. What was wrong with 1-8? 2-7. We've been down that path. I don't care. I'm going down again.

I'm walking right down that path. It's stupid. We're not out of November, and you're complaining about the Leafs' first-round opponent. Because we all know exactly who it's going to be. There's nothing compelling. It's going to be the Tampa Bay Lightning. 100%.

You can mark this right now. The Leafs will be playing the Lightning game one. All right, well, mark it, Derek. What is it? November 30th, McKee called it. I mean, it's just undeniable. Detroit's not going to. We watched the Detroit team.

They're not better than tampa they're not passing tampa no florida's not passing tampa sabers habs none of these i guess it's up to toronto to catch boston then it's not insurmountable for the leafs over the next 57 games to for sure it's not seven points but it's not gonna happen and at least five but it could be seven could be nine and the least we're gonna have to play zombie tampa who's not quite to happen. It's five, but it could be seven, could be nine. And the Leafs are going to have to play zombie Tampa, who's not quite as good, but they still got the pedigree, and they're going to lose in seven games. That's off his rocker.

Why don't they even do this show? I can just predict exactly what's going to happen. I don't even want to think about a first-round loss to Tampa Bay for the Leafs and you. It's going to happen. I don't think our show can come back for a third season if that happens again i think we're a two-season show it's just annoying to me like you guys it doesn't bother you at all

kipper you look like you don't give a crap or just something i don't give a crap it's just a uh work with uh the ingredients you have bake with the ingredients you have, pal. Let me be, you know, CNN or whatever. Too early to call. Too early to call this a Toronto-Tampa. It's not too early. Wolf. Let me take you over to the big board. 60 games left.

All right. Still got this Cal Peterson thing in my mind. Okay. Well, it's perfect because it relates to that crazy game last night. Ottawa. A fit for the Ottawa Senators. I mean, they've got Cam Talbot on a last year deal. Do they not?

They do. And Forsberg's on a pretty good. Didn't he just sign like a decent ticket, Forsberg? Yeah. So they're in a good spot. They could use a good Cal Peterson. But, you know, he's been bad for a bit here so last night the kings win nine eight or sorry the kings lose nine eight to seattle and i watched the goals peterson gave up he's just he didn't get in the way of anything you

know it's just a mental thing now he's got uh maybe the i don't know early jack campbell uh early contract where you're like i don't know now i'm making this much i need to be this guy when did cal peterson sign that a while ago the contract is five times five yeah peterson was it a while two years ago didn't you say he's got three left no no he's he was five times three to begin with and this is the first year of it oh he's he only signed a three, no, no. He was five times three to begin with, and this is the first year of it. Oh, he only signed a three-year deal? Correct. Okay, my apologies.

I thought he was on five times five. I did too. Yeah. And I thought there was only three years left of that. Nope. Three years is the first year of the deal, so you wonder if he's like, okay, now I need to be awesome. I'm making all this money.

I got a $3 million signing bonus in the summer. So has he got that, oh my God, I fooled them it's like the jack campbell pressure jack campbell's been making one point whatever his whole career starting to make five million there must be some pressure where you're like i need to play five times as good there's uh there's something to that for sure yeah like i'm willing to get paid that to find out if it affects my performance i volunteer as tribute oh yeah oh for camp uh for cal oh yeah cal's last year's big money auto was not gonna want that base salary of eight million signing bonus of or sorry of sorry six million yeah yeah

is there any other team that jumps out to you right now arizona they uh they got vijmelka he's playing great and you think doesn't make anything oh yeah he's been very good statistically i don't know if he is good or san jose grimer's done isn't he i was thinking maybe yeah aaron delgo's tonight by the way i was thinking maybe uh the the brass in chicago is sick of watching peter morazic play maybe they take a chance on can't be worse than peter yeah but they don't want to be good i know i've been peter i know giving them what they what they're paying for how's eric carlson been really good well you heard you heard may's stat there that he's like what do you have 38 points yeah 32 or something but yeah coming into the show here, you said

San Jose's bad, aren't they? And Sammy and I were like, they are, but they do have Timo Mayer and they do have Logan Couture and Thomas Hurdle and Eric Carlson. They got some guys. God, if you can get San Jose to pick up half that contract, you don't

like Carlson here? I mean, I love the idea of it but i also like you know i know it's a huge gamble i don't want it i've well documented it yeah right it's i don't i probably wouldn't do it personally myself with uh the the wear and tear on him but man oh man he is he's as as good as we've seen in a long time. And I don't know if we can ever say that he can hit levels like we saw him carrying the Ottawa Senators. But that's a dynamic player.

Yeah. Yeah, certainly is. Do you think he'll get moved? Do you think Toronto will kill? I just think money's like the be all end all now like uh especially with the cap and i think we're going to probably hear something at some point about the number being rejigged for the next couple of years oh yeah yeah like you think the cap will go up next year up and yeah up until you hear it officially like there's not a lot of teams that just want to take on any money at all let

alone you know one that's still owed what four years yeah yeah i think through this and three more oh the the least could give a raise to kerfoot and hall people like that in toronto so we just gotta we just gotta tweet from uhbeard, who's a great Twitter follower. Yeah, what's up, Sportsbeard? He said, a little miffed, not one mention of Alex Ovechkin breaking Wayne Gretzky's rolled gold record. So he has, Ovechkin now has the record for goals on the road in the history of the NHL, and we didn't mention it.

So I thought I should probably mention it. Let me check your list here. I didn't put it in. You're getting, he's all over you today, huh? Listen, it's fine. No, it's fine. It's my bad. You got us apologizing to the Jets.

You got that on. Yeah, we got to apologize. They beat the Avs 5-0 last night. Not doing it. Wow. Still, you're holding up. I do have to give them credit for sure. It looked like every reason why it was blowing up.

They're 14-6-1 yeah one three in a row yeah there you go i'm not doing it i can't out of the words i'm sorry but i'm not ready but it is worth acknowledging yeah they're doing good they don't have uh goaltending issues like L.A., apparently. No. Well, that's the thing. And that's the thing over and over again. It's like, Hellebuck's bad, they're bad. Hellebuck's good, they're good.

Hellebuck's good right now. Okay. They're good. You know, it still doesn't make me believe anymore in the team. Although, I saw my boy Luke Gazdik calling Josh Morrissey Josh Norrissey on TV last night. Yeah, I remember calling him that on the morning show, too. Yeah, it's a good line. I like it. I do, too. Yeah, it's a good line. I like it.

I do, too. He's playing well. That's the hot one right now is that this guy's gone to that level right now where he's put himself in that discussion going into Christmas. Quick, quickly, before we go to break, shout out to the Raj. Raj Lejoie. Yes. 38-year anniversary in this business is a hell of a run.

30th year. Yeah. Yeah, wow. Hell of a anniversary in this business is a hell of a run. 30th year. Yeah. Yeah, wow. Hell of a guy. Really good guy. Hell of a run. So just wanted to make sure. Really good guy.

Been huge for me in my career. To many people. Good on you, Roger. How do I get on that anniversary bandwagon? I've been here over 22 years. Not one person's ever wished me anything on any anniversary. Like, why him? Why not me?

Like, what he likes to say, that's what the money's for, Kippy. The gold watch is coming, bud. Don't hold your breath. Okay, Roger, you can keep the anniversary compliments, and I'll keep the paycheck. All right. Thanks, everybody. Gord Stelic. Brad May.

We're back tomorrow.