Real Kyper & Bourne - World Junior Reflections

Episode Date: January 6, 2025

Nick Kypreos, Gord Stellick and Sam McKee check in on the Canucks' situation with Elias Pettersson and JT Miller and the development that both could potentially be on the move. Then, comedian Gerry Dee (9:53) joins the show to share his thoughts on Canada's disappointing exit in the World Juniors tournament, youth hockey in Canada and some thoughts about the Canadian NHL teams at the midway point in the season. Finally, Nick and Gord regroup with Sam to discuss the reported disconnect between Rangers GM Chris Drury and coach Peter Laviolette, the Senators' options in net without Linus Ullmark, and World Juniors reflections after Team USA claimed gold on Sunday.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Live on Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver, Sportsnet 960 in Calgary, this hour of real kipper and born brought to you by bet 365, Nick Kiprio, Sammy McKee and for Justin Bourne, our very own. He's wonderful. He's talented. 365 Nick Kiprio, Sammy McKee and for Justin Bourne our very own He's wonderful. He's talented put your hunts together for the lovely Gord Stelick Well Sounds what I used to get all the time. Just a little smattering of applause Smattering of applause on the well the national side to the Ottawa senators Do they want the playoff spot in the East? And do Vancouver and or Calgary, do you guys want the spot in the West like St. Louis and

Utah are kind of saying that maybe we're a little more hungry than you. Plenty to get into in this next hour and a few minutes. We'll welcome in Jerry D. Comedian and star of Mr. D. Amazon Prime and a very, very funny guy so we're going to keep it a little light here but you know what he goes hardcore on his opinions on yeah on the National Hockey League which I absolutely love so I'm really looking forward to this this segment here. The brief time you worked at the score but I worked a little bit longer do you remember him Jerry, doing comedy bits?

He did sports, comedy bits, he had some, because really, really funny ones, and then later Cabral Richards, Cabby started there doing Cabby on the Streets and all that, but no, he's got, he is a funny guy, and he's a big sports fan. Well, he's got plenty going on right now, including, I don't know if he started his tour yet,

but I think he, we will figure out where he is in a few minutes here but looking forward to that as far as the temperature in the water in Vancouver regarding Pederson and JT Miller has really hit a feverish pitch. Yeah. So you're good buddies with Rick Tauke. And I really got from that and obviously Rutherford and Alveen would be on side about, okay, cause this has been out there forever

and we're just tired of it. And the 21 other guys are tired of it. And we're tired of it. And I don't know, KP, my read kind of is on it that hey in real life you know people will have say say marital issues so each side will talk to friends right and they'll try to help them make it work whatever it may be we'll talk to friends and maybe things go well for a while and then at some point the friends will go you guys got to look at separating I can't there's nothing else I can do like you you guys got to look at separating. I can't, there's nothing

else I can do. Like you guys got to figure it out. What may be and I get the sense. They've been saying this for a while though. Well, but this is public now. When they made it public, it kind of was they got to figure it out because we got to do better on the ice. And it sounds like, you know, whatever, we've tried everything. Let's see if they can figure it out and and we shall see but that I I'm this is new to me this is this this kind of situations new to me well they had Freage talking on Saturday night about the potential of like you know he said that there's three outcomes all that stuff but like both of them

yeah I'm all the options well there was not traded one of them traded and both of them traded so those are the three options that Freage laid out Well, there's a fourth one if like a UFO lands on Rogers arena and abducts them both did Elliott mention that one that Outcome was not meant for you I was surprised to hear Freage say both like both Well, I'm you're totally changing your entirely what you are. Do you really, like we can't even, in this world of salary caps and who can take what, do you really see a scenario where it's both? I mean that's a lot of cash going out.

It's almost 20 mil. It's Pierre-Luc Dubois contract times two. I mean that's what LA did, right? I know he's fit. So the Mike Hoffman, Eric Carlson situation is the last one I can kind of think about. Whatever happened off the ice, Hoffman went pretty quick, Carlson then after.

They were a team that had been one overtime goal away from making it to a Stanley Cup final right around then or a year earlier, right? So to Sammy's point about changing the makeup of a team, this sounds like, yeah, one or both could go as absurd as it seems. They just signed Pettersson last year. I don't think he's going anywhere. Well, I don't either, but I mean, like, it's like they signed him and the next day did this crop up? Like, in talking to him or him talking to them about,

you know, what may be untenable to a degree in the situation, because right away it seemed like when he signed his contract last year, his on ice productivity hurt and JT Miller, same thing on the ice. So can they figure it out off the ice? But I think they're kind of saying as well, we've got to figure it out on the ice because they were entrenched in a playoff spot and now they are hanging on by the hair of their chinny chin chin kippy I think that's a lot of money that's presented to you and you know regardless of if you want to be there if you don't want to be there like is he 11 and a half was 11 and a half for eight years that

he ended up signing peterson I think regardless if you like, like, you know, you'd sign in a lot of places for that much money and you know, you figure it out later, but that contract presented to you, how can you know? I mean, I don't know how you can't take it. Like even if you don't love where you are, even if you don't love your teammates, if you believe, you know, I don't know, I just, I think that's why that happened. It's a lot of money. Pedersen came out publicly and said he knows

he has to be a lot better and Alvane certainly and Rutherford behind the scenes challenging him also, you know publicly as well, but Girl, I cannot see them Going and trading Patterson who who's, I believe, five years younger. These are five years of prime Pedersen. Yeah, if one of the two were going to go hockey-wise,

not knowing the situation, it would be Miller, obviously. You would think, obviously. And I mean, the fact that Pedersen re-up showed to me that he wanted to stay there. Like, if there were big issues, you don't re-up for eight years, then a month later, whatever the extent of this crops up. So I agree with you. I wait and see, well, about him getting healthy and what they do on the ice and do they genuinely fix it off the ice, which is kind of the challenge that the elephant is no longer in the room and whatever it is, it's up to them.

Otherwise, someone moves out of the house. Four games on tap, including an all-important one between the Vancouver Canucks tonight in Montreal. Prime Amazon game Monday night tonight, just in terms of now, the importance of just not getting the wind, but maybe alleviating some of the noise. Would a wind do that tonight? Well, it's, I don't like using the term a must win, but I think it kind of is for Vancouver. And meanwhile, Montreal is playing their best hockey, they're loose. So that makes it more difficult.

But yeah, you're like you're nip and tuck for the playoffs. And like I said, St. Louis and Utah have closed the gap. So all of a sudden you lose a few and you're the New York Rangers of the West, the team that was sitting pretty and aren't sitting or sitting with a really bad view. So I kind of looked at that tonight as a real, real important game for the Vancouver Canucks. Yeah, I'm surprised the Habs have gotten really hot here.

And you look at at where they're sitting in the Eastern Conference. I mean, the last playoff spot is held right now on points, not points percentage, by the Pittsburgh Penguins at 41 points. Habs are 39 points, they're right there. And if you had a picture that at the start of the year that the Red Wings, Rangers, Islanders

would all be behind the Habs in the standings, you would never have believed me. It's crazy how far they've come. They were brutal. And they got their Kevin Lankin in goal all of a sudden, you know? Yeah. Kid from Czech, Dobrš, whatever, that played in the USHL and played Ohio State University. And we've had some neat surprising goaltending stories.

It's wonderful when it happens to your particular team. Hein Calgary is right there with Vancouver right now, surprising goaltending stories. It's wonderful when it happens to your particular team. Hi and Calgary is right there with Vancouver right now, but they're coming off a couple of losses as well. But how long can Calgary hang in there and then when do they really focus on moving some assets and how deep would they consider going here because I between Montreal and Calgary to be in that conversation right now and get your your fan base excited you just can't turn around and and and just like that take them out of a playoff race because of a trade you thought you couldn't refuse, could you?

I know Philly would. We know Keith Jones would. Yeah, different case. So it's funny, last year Calgary became a seller on the fly. They started the season and it looked like they were gonna keep Hannafin and whatever, then everything changed

and they got rid of everybody. And I know they said in the summer, look, we're not sellers again because we were sellers last year, but whether it's Nazem Kadri or other situations, there's talk about guys that provide value that you could get more assets down. So, Doug Armstrong in St. Louis was a guy

when he traded Stasney to Winnipeg, just said, hey, I don't care that we're only a few points out of the playoffs. I'm not losing a guy for nothing is gonna be Ufa. I don't know if Calgary does the same thing I think I think they think they got to be in the hunt and battle. All right, Sammy. What's going on, buddy? We're ready to go let's welcome him in Jerry D Comedian star of mr. D on Amazon a Jerry. There's nothing funny about making us wait for you. I Don't know what happened. I couldn't hear you

Where are you about what's going on in Toronto? Yeah, just At home nothing special. I wish I was in a fancier place, but I'm not So, let me ask you something, you know, we know you as this big huge comedian star, you know, host a family for you. Is it true you would all trade it in to run an NHL team? Yeah. Which one?

Yeah, I liked coaching a lot. I don't know. I liked it. I was coaching minor hockey for years and then crept my way up to Wexford Raiders, which was a tier two team at the time. I think they're, they're, they're since gone, but I was, I was a Wexford guy. Were you? Yeah. I went to the peewee tournament with Wexford.

Yeah. A great, great, you know, a long history. And so I did that and then I was probably 26, 27 and ran a hockey school. And then I started this comedy journey and I always joke. I saw Billy Bowler and I met the owners of Windsor and how he had bare. I'm like, you know what? I get on the bench as an assistant. I don't know enough to be head coach, but I'll bring it. I'll bring you some great interviews. So maybe one day I'll creep back in.

Who knows? Well, Kippy, we're mentioning Jerry about at the score where you had those great fun sports comedy bits way back when and Kippy and I worked there. I also got to say Alan Leslie Kogel say hi. We were just over there for dinner. So that's a guy you golfed at Don. Yeah, that's a good friend growing up. Yeah. And.

Alan was a friend in grade eight. What a great guy. Great. I've only met her recently, but. Yeah, well anyway, just said to say hi. But the other was, I follow you on Twitter, and Saturday you said it all about, where are we getting together

for the Sweden-Finland Junior Hockey Semi-Final? Where's everyone gathering? And I kind of thought, in breaking everything down, I thought that was kind of a fun, fun comment about it. Yeah, it's probably wasn't fun at, you know, at a network level. As you guys know, you're really relying on Canada and international competition and the Leafs, Habs, Jets, you know, that whole Canadian sort of seven teamer. But, yeah, it just, to me, it's unfortunate that, you know, we rely on that tournament so much in Canada,

at least being in the finals, that it's been a tough couple of years. Yeah, I mean, that game to me was, you know, we can talk about refs all we want in hockey. And that was a, that was a tough one to, to understand. But I'm sure there's both sides to the, the kneeing calls, the miss head smashing the board call. But again, we're biased, so we so where are you Jerry? Where are you on? the two sides of Yeah, we got a we got to clean up this program. We got some serious issues or come on. They're just kids

Where do you sit? Yeah, they're just kids. I do I do question the I Don't know enough about it you too. Well, I do question the, I don't know enough about it, you two. Well, I do question the, I don't quote me, was there one NCAA player or do we just not have enough NCAA players there? We don't seem to have a lot of NCAA representation at that camp, but again, I don't know enough. I know obviously, you know, Celebrini is there and any of our other great players that are in the NHL, it's a different tournament. But ideally, there's a way that that's a true, you know, I was joking after it's like, you know, if your kids play sports and you win a provincial championship, but the team's missing their three best players, you're like,

did we, did we really, did we really win it? So I mean they did but I feel like it's just We're better at hockey. So our better players are in the NHL and it's not a real true world juniors it's not an excuse we should still compete better than we perhaps did but You know our Two of our best players three of our best players, and other teams have it too, I just don't know if they have as many missing. So, you know, you as a parent, so if I remember correctly,

your daughter was a league golfer, then became an elite volleyball player, just, so what was it, like your mantra about being a parent with extensive coaching experience, but about the natural part, the love of the game, but also giving them enough, or helping them get enough instruction to develop. How did you balance all that?

Yeah, it's a good question. I try to teach my kids, you know, my oldest daughter, the golf, you know, she's seven. She doesn't know what it means to get a scholarship or so, you know, I was always pushing sports to be the best you can be. But I tell them, you know, be the best you can be at anything, right? If you want to play piano and just, you know, I saw a great Steve Nass speech when he was inducted in the basketball hall of fame, like, just find something and fall in love with it and be passionate. If it's school, great. If it's music,

plays, drama, sports. For me, it was my love with sports and comedy. I try to pass that on to them. We see a lot of it. The intrinsic love of it has to come from them, but how much of that can come from a 12-year-old? When my daughter was a league golfer, I remember a really good golf coach, Tristan at Team Canada said, you don't want to be the best 12 year old in the world. You want to be the best 18 year old in the world, right? Like so to speak. So it's a balance. You got to, you know, do I motivate them and say, hey, you know, you guys want to do some

extra clinics? Yeah. Are they going to look it up online? Some kids do. Some kids will. And all three of my kids are different. You know, I tried to get my son in hockey and I just thought when I had a boy, I joked, that's why I had a boy to try to go to the rinks and stuff.

My daughter's passed on hockey pretty quickly. And I'm like, okay, we got the, he had no interest. And I realized that realized that, you know, a friend of mine, Dominic Amodio, I don't know if you remember Dominic, Dominic was a great, you know, he played a bit for Team Canada. He played at UNH. He was a great player. He was a Hobie Baker runner up and, you know, never made it and smaller guy, but just a phenomenal hockey player. And he calls me up and he said, hey, I hear your son's a's a 2012 you know which is the birth year and I went putting a skate together and I said there were six I said why skates he goes hey that's okay they're all just learning and I went to this skate and you know these kids were toe-dragging

and roofing it yeah you couldn't raise the puss so we're parents right now we're sitting back and we're we talking in a calm, collected manner here, but the system out there baits you in so sometimes crazy for parents. That you either get into it and try to keep up with the Joneses or the Stamp Coases or the Gretzky's, or you don't. But it is really hard once you're in there and you're watching what other parents or kids are doing,

and it's not hard. It's very difficult not to get sucked into that, isn't it? Yeah, very much. But as you know, Nick, and you've gone through this with your kids, it's, um... It is true that the best 12-year-old is not often the best 16-year-old,

and they can burn out. But at the end of the day, I do believe it's a gift you're born with and I know that sounds crazy. I think you went as far as you did, Nick, and had a great career and did whatever a lot of kids want to do and you probably just loved playing and played. It wasn't summer skates and all this crazy clinics and shooting in your basement every day for five hours. You get those kids that make it.

But at the end of the day, I think it's you've got it. And if you've got it, you do have to push your kid or push yourself. And when they're younger, they're not going to push themselves at 12. But we live the dream in Canada, right? My son's a really good volleyball player, but I always joke, there's no World Junior Boxing Day volleyball tournament we're all glued to. We just love hockey in this country. But it's a certain personality too, right? It wasn't his personality.

It's a grittier personality that, you know, I remember playing hockey as a kid and I just loved hitting and running at guys and I was small, but some kids that's not their thing, right? So you know, you let them find it and you do get hooked and caught up in it. And if you don't go to the summer skates, well, you're falling behind and you're like, oh, you're not going to make triple A. And you know, we, we see and hear a lot of that. So I I've learned on my own, they eventually find their own way and you know we we see and hear a lot of that so I I've learned on my own they eventually find their own way and You know we support them and if they want to play at the next level whatever sport that is We're there for them. I encourage it

But if they don't we just encourage them to fall in love with something So my mom always had a great line that if you could instill in your kids a sense of self-confidence and a sense of humor They will go far. I've always loved that line and I'm'm thinking, Jerry, there's so many athletes that want to play music. What about guys that are athletes that are comedians and want to hang with Jerry D and do an amateur-like comedy kind of thing? Like are there certain, like I think Peyton Manning's been a natural now. He's an older one, retired, but I don't know. Are there certain ones that you're tempted to say, man, I wouldn't mind doing an open mic thing, or they've said, hey, you want to banter with this particular individual?

Well, not comedy. Comedy is singing, I've seen. Comedy, it's embarrassing. It doesn't go well. You've got to be a great singer in your basement. You know, I'm working on a little project with Ryan O'Reilly right now, who, if you know, is right into music and playing and one of his former junior teammates, Kelly Joffrey, and they're doing some great stuff and singing.

But comedy is, you know, I had Terry Ryan, I don't know if you remember Terry Ryan, I mean, I'm sure you do, but Terry was like an eighth overall pick with the Canadians, wrote a book, and it was crazy. And I, you know, he, I said, why don't you come open for me? I'm doing these OHL rinks. He had these great hockey stories. It's different for comedy. No one's dying to try comedy. It's because it's going to fail. You're going to fail the first 10 to 50 hundred times. I don't really see it it as much but they do appreciate humor. You know I always think the hockey guys are you know the chirping world is just naturally funny and they you know they go at each other so I think

it's a good connection and we had Nathan McKinnon on our show we had Kamelari on our show they were great you, they had timing and they they're funny people. So like any sport, a lot of funny people as Nick, and you know, and, but I don't think any of them are itching to try comedy, because it would not go well. It just would take a while. I still like remember yesterday, Wayne Gretzky hosting Saturday Night Live, and we know what Saturday Night Live is today and

how it moves the whole country, North America every Saturday night. But that took some big cojones by Wayne to do that. Yeah. And I've seen Wayne in situations like Wayne, Wayne likes comedy. Wayne has been at events I've been at. He understands and you know this as well, he likes to laugh and whether he could deliver the laughs, I don't know.

He's funny in his way and again, I've been lucky to meet a lot of them. I look up to all you hockey guys and what you did Nick and what you're, you know, like everything you guys have done is a business I wanted to do so badly and loved and miss. So I'm more envious of all of them and what they did and what you did and playing in front of 20,000 people. And, you know, I've got to know Healy quite a bit over the years. He played with my brother in college and I remember Healy say, you know, when the applause ends, right? It's so true.

It's, man, it must be amazing to play in front of that. And when that's over, it's like, oh my God. So there's no age limit in comedy, which is good. I can keep doing this. Unfortunately in sports, you age yourself out eventually. I feel bad that you saw me throw my tennis racket at the cricket club. I always feel bad that you saw me throw my tennis racket at the cricket club I always feel bad about that, you know, I used to oh man. I grew up playing tennis first

I was playing in all the OTA tournaments and you know, we played everything as kids I'm sure you guys were the same you just there's no single sport and I used to play those OTA tournaments and I would throw My racket so I thought nothing of it It's um, tell, you know, I've learned now kids have two ways of expressing themselves either anger or sadness so they're either crying at the end of something or angry so I think you want one of them or otherwise there's just no emotion so no I, you're a big curler too you're up there you do everything. Yeah, yeah no it's uh oh yeah he's like he's like the king of kensington at the cricket club. Yeah. Yeah

Hey gordo What a guy Hey, I gotta ask you before we uh, we let you go just your your thoughts across the country from vancouver Maybe the situation on who you think might get traded all the way to montreal or or or ottawa What stands out from you? Uh when it comes to the NHL in our country? I think we say this, I grew up a Leaf fan, still a Leaf fan, and I think there are certainly the pieces there, the defensive side, the goaltending is just, they're top of the league, they're up there right now, so I think there's some hope there.

I like what Ottawa has, I love the young, the Kachuk and Batherson world of what they're up there right now. And so I think there's some hope there. I like what Ottawa has. I love the young, the Kachuk and Batherson world of what they're doing. And they've got some great opportunity. I think, you know, Vancouver's got the maybe a couple of situations there where maybe someone will get traded. I don't know what's going to happen with, is it TJ Miller? He's kind of, there's some rumblings there. Winnipeg started strong.

I probably never wanted to start strong like that. I think it's a kiss of death starting out that strong. Montreal, I think they're a couple of years away still from really competing with the youth. But again, they're hanging in there in games. So I think there's a lot of promise for a lot of the teams. The Flames are probably gonna, you know, they've got some guys, I think Kadri is a good playoff guy to pick up and they're probably in a situation

where they might look at unloading. And of course, Edmonton's, you know, I think it's, you know, if I were to predict an Edmonton Toronto final, which would be my guess, it think it's, you know, if I were to predict an Edmonton Toronto final, which would be my guess, it would be exciting. But I think, you know, Edmonton Toronto are certainly in a good position. Can I ask you about your tour? Is it a funny you should say tour?

Tell us about it. Yeah, yeah. So I start touring. I kind of last year I focused more on Ontario and now I'm focusing on the other provinces. So I think I head out this month, Winnipeg Regina this month and I get to London and Halifax, Moncton Saskatoon Montreal You know pretty much everywhere for the rest of the year and then I

Enjoy that it's I haven't done a lot of those cities in a while So getting back on the road is other than the travel is is a lot of fun now Family Feud are you gonna continue that or if you can't it was back. Well Officially, I haven't heard if it's back. I think it's back. I want to take on TSN and Family Feud I I said like why don't we do sports net versus TSN? It's it's it's a ratings juggernaut. Getting all of you against all of them would be great. Yes.

Some of those guys, how they're doing, they're stuck for an answer. Just the chirps would be so great. I'm always pushing for... I was close to getting a Habs Leafs, current Habs, current Habs, current Leafs, but as you know, that's always tough to get with their schedules and when we film, so we're always working on sort of cameos like that, and you never know, you may see that down the road for sure, so it's a lot of fun to do that show.

The families are, you know, they're amazing, and they love it, and we have a great group that casts them, so I look forward to it, and you know, it's a ton of fun. Well, we really appreciate you stopping by on the show, man. Great stuff. Good luck with everything and we'll stay in touch. We'll have you on again real soon here, Jer.

Thanks for doing this, buddy. Love the show. Thanks guys. Great to see you both. That is Jerry D. One of our country's best. Yeah. Makes us laugh.

And comedy shows are like, they're getting big crowds now Like it's wait and I assume he will too because he's really funny It's fun to see in person ask me what the key to good comedy is Okay, what's the key timing good time? Okay? Okay, ask me the oldest joke in the world that one come on. That was pretty good I thought it was pretty good. Yeah, come on. Why the chicken crossed the road what else you gonna throw at me? She's Jerry Jerry back. He's going to Winnipeg in January bring the parka, baby. That's gonna be cold game time game time, baby All right

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Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. You're looking at me like I created it. No, no, no. The tournament as a whole, you mean? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's still more to dig in with Gord Stellix and Mickey. When we return to Real Kipper and Born. Hey, it's Ben Ennis. And I'm Brent Cutting. We got you covered on all things Leafs, Raptors, and Blue Jays every weekday morning, six to nine. It's the fan morning show. Sportsnet, Five Nine to the fan,

and wherever you get your podcasts. ["Bet, Three, Six, Five," by The Caps plays.] Nick Kipraos, Sammy McKee, Gordon Stelick as a reminder, this hour of Real Kipper and Born brought to you by Bet365. All right, the New York Rangers claimed Arthur Kaliev from the Los Angeles Kings. Clearly, maybe add some depth. I think he's young enough. I don't know what the heck happened there, but he seemed to be this like

Kind of up-and-comer Too good for the American Hockey League ready to score goals in LA. It was never a fit They held on him forever. Mm-hmm without him really playing or having a significant role and now the Rangers claim him with what the thought of Taking over for Cacko maybe who was traded to Seattle? Like he makes 825 too so it's not even like I thought at first did he make a contract that was a little bit out of whack. Kippy I've been there their thought is they're desperate. So it's a waiver wire pickup, take a flyer at it, can't go wrong with it.

He wouldn't have been a guy they targeted. It's not a guy like oh because obviously that That he wouldn't be put on waivers like he was but for the New York Rangers Hey, the way Cackle was playing this year. I guess it doesn't take much to replace him in the lineup, but they got They got you know what I want to ask you is because you're tight with Marc Messier I mean when when he talks about there's a disconnect between the general manager and the coach, like that, like really hard. So because there's always been thoughts about what's going on off the ice, quite often organizations

that are struggling. So it was all, hey, they beat Chicago. You're still supposed to beat Chicago. Louis Domingue's a fun story. He got to play, hadn't been playing well in the AHL, by the way. People wonder why he wasn't back up. But man, oh man, like to say there's a disconnect, I guess between Chris Drugan, Peter Laviellette.

Yeah, can you find that quote, Mark Messier's quote? Gordo basically summed it up. He went on ESPN and he really said that, and I think he summed it up so well, just in terms of people that- Here it is, I mean, this is just from, this is a paraphrase of what he said. But he said, right now the core is fractured.

There's a disconnect between management and coaching staff. There's a lack of trust and loyalty now. Marc Messier saying that about the Rangers, that carries a lot of weight. Huge. Yeah. Absolutely huge. And I think there's such a fine line, Gord, and you tell me how you feel,

but in terms of, hey, be a pro and play, right? Play through it or play whatever you want. But to Mark's point, it's so hard to win, especially now that you've got 32 teams all taking a crack at it, you know, starting of October. But if there is a disconnect, if there is a lost trust, what are the odds of success? So now first of all, is his nose out a joint that he didn't get a job there years ago?

Like a bigger job? I think there was opportunities for him to come in and I believe that it never opened up. Okay, so and I'm not saying that's his motivation. I just didn't know if, you know, that he felt spurned at whatever particular point. But hey, when he talks, it's like EF Hutton. People listen. And that picture is the picture, him holding the Stanley Cup. I know you think it's you holding the Stanley Cup. That's the second picture.

The first picture is him holding the Stanley Cup and being arguably as great a leader as there's been, you know, in a professional sports thing. So it's one thing, the players, yeah, they got off to a great start this year and you got to suck it up regardless what's going on. But when he talks about something between the general manager and coach, that's serious and it happens and it makes a big time dysfunctional and players aren't dumb and they read about that. Now, again, it's a bit of a cop out to players aren't dumb and they read about that now again

It's a bit of a cop-out to say that's why we're the president's trophy team from last year and we're struggling right now But when you when you don't have a you know, they're like, you know all for one one for all You don't you don't trust what management's doing, you know, they're whatever you're suspicious all that stuff. That's wasted energy That's you know where you want wanna focus everything on a common goal. That's what the great organizations do. And you were part of it and he was part of it. Yeah, that's pretty ugly. Listen, our 94 team, we had many opportunities

to derail the thing, but he was the one bridge that kept it going, especially with Keenan and his ways and sometimes his, his, the things that he could say and how it could further, you know, have a negative effect on a guy like Brian Leach or Mike Richter or, you know, down, down the roster and yet he found a way to just bridge it, just get it to a place where it doesn't make Brian Leach completely fall off a cliff, his game anyway, right? And it doesn't appear like there's anybody right now in that dressing room as long as Chris Kreider's been there, you know, Adam Fox, one of Norris,

and yet they don't have, what appears to me is the ability to kind of take control of that dressing room within the confines of that room and what goes on on the ice, it just doesn't seem to be as Anybody that can find a way to overcome this We traded your captain. It's a band of jad right now is their highest one of their highest paid players with a Complete no move right now And I think if I'm not mistaken he just scored maybe the second even strength goal of the season

It's like who's in that room gonna take charge right now? Well, you traded your captain too. Like that's always a sign of something's amiss. We talk about Vancouver trying to get the players to figure out in their dressing room. I mean, here, like, that's like a smoke bomb. You traded your captain. You're the president's trophy winners.

You made it clear all summer long, you were trying to move them. And the Barkley Goodrow thing. And I know they're very tight with the training staff You've made it clear all summer long you're trying to move them and the Barkley Good Row thing and you know I know they're very tight with the training staff got changed when Chris jury came on board And he's entitled to do that a lot of guys come on board make a lot of changes off the ice So a lot was being made of that in in New York that he came on like, you know big All guns ablazing and he's not the only one that ever would have done that but it just seems that

all guns blazing and he's not the only one that ever would have done that but it just seems that every button that's been pushed the last six weeks and I mean from the management from whoever it is pushing buttons in the front office on top of the inexcusable play by the team at times has been the wrong button yeah if they could just play the Blackhawks every night to be in great shape well they were pushing the right buttons till I came as well but you're right you're right. You're right, they kind of reverted back. But just to, I mean, circle back on Kaliev that they claimed,

I mean, he's a second round pick in 2019. I guess 2019's quite a while now. I guess it's a year the Raptors won the cup, but he's got some pedigrees. I mean, I think it's worth a chance, worth a try, you stink anyway. Without a doubt. You stink anyway, I think it's worth a shot, so.

But there's no question that New York Rangers With their recent fallout has given life to so many teams like we mentioned earlier on in the show right now It's Pittsburgh, right? Yep. It's holding this and there's 17 and 17 So by points percentage the Sens are still in there. Yeah. But by straight up old school points, the Penguins are ahead of them.

The news on Linus Almark is not good in Ottawa, where he has not even begun skating, and head coach Travis Green announcing that he is weak to weak. What's their goalie, Levi? Well. Where's Laynen? Valley, what did Valley say earlier in the season

with Linus Elmark? What did he say, Dr. Sisonoff? Yeah. Yeah, that was, he was looking into it. It's just, this is a concern for him. Good on this kid that's come up and kind of held the fort a little bit, but they're going to have to, they're going to trade for somebody, do they not?

And you know, when, like, Almark was the best goalie in the league the last three weeks before he got hurt. He was the best. He was as good as any, or as good as any goalkeeper in the league. So that's a tough one. When Travis Green said back spasm, Skippy, I didn't, I thought that was a positive, you know? You know, I just kind of thought that was a positive, you know? I just kind of thought, okay,

it's like I'll just take some Robax and sit or something like that, you're gonna be back. But obviously that's not the case. And yeah, depth-wise, there's not a lot of teams that have that kind of depth. And you're trying to hope someone is a Kevin Lankton and can ride it for a month. But right now it's a tough ride.

It's a tough ride because everyone's coming at you. Everyone's there. Montreal's there now. Detroit's back in. They're all there. Philadelphia's not going away. Columbus is there. The reason why everybody's in is because right now

it's shaping up to be like 85 points to get in it's not in the past we've seen 96 95 94 now it's like 500 hockey's now in the mix Well, which is yeah, I don't know is somebody's gonna have to take off. Everybody's had good stretches though temp Pittsburgh's had a good stretch Ottawa's had a good stretch Columbus now Montreal for sure Montreal now writing a heater here, but I Don't know what that does for the trade deadline, but it makes a lot of people kind of hold their water right now. Yeah, so

They've had good stretches and then when they have it they they can't sustain it. They keep giving it back. It's like a hot potato. Hey, I'm in. Oh, I'm out. Here you go, you're in. And then, oh, somebody else is in. And that's what happened last year. I mean, Detroit, they had that game in Montreal.

Remember, they were in for X number of minutes and a few minutes they were out and that ended their playoff hope. And you're getting that, but with even more teams right now. So if anybody can go on what Nashville did like last year, maybe Nashville can go on again. What Nashville did like last year, I don't know, but it's almost like if you want to be cut and dried above

because it's so clogged, you have to, you're talking about a heater. You got to go on a heater plus. Yeah, and then the Sens next game is against the Red Wings on Thursday night. It's like that's all of a sudden with them with McClellan behind where they won four or five in a row here now, they've lost brutally to the Leafs

in the first game of McClellan. I don't think they've lost since. So they're getting hot too. It's the real mishmash at the bottom of that. All the more reason for the teams at the top of their divisions for Washington wins the Central and sorry with the Metro, the Leafs in the Atlantic, the Panthers in the Atlantic, the Panthers

in the Atlantic, to try to win that division to get whoever is going to be in that last spot. It's not going to be a great team here. It's a real chance to win the division. So anyways, a West prior to a loss to the Montreal Canadiens and overtime Saturday night, Colorado's looking like the Colorado that we've been accustomed to seeing. Yeah, Colorado and Dallas, sort of, because Minnesota and Winnipeg have been the wow teams.

And it's funny, you know, Jerry D, when he joined us earlier, he's talking comedy, but even talking sports, he just said, yeah, I don't like getting out in front early. And I always remember the Buffalo Sabres were in first place. Remember that around US Thanksgiving? What was it, three, four years ago?

I still like getting out early. I love banking wins, don't get me wrong, but quite often it's a misrepresentation how things finish at the end. So you kind of have sat back and I thought Minnesota, what a great win over Carolina, four nothing, without Kaprizov, without Spurgeon. I thought that was a big win on Saturday for them.

That was a nice one. But yeah, they're playing like, you know, Colorado won a Stanley Cup a few years ago, Dallas has been one of those favorites the last couple years. And then, because of Calgary and Vancouver's inability to grab it and go on a bit of a tear, like no, you take it, no, you take it, no, you take it,

St. Louis and Utah are right there. So it's really, really clogged up. It doesn't have the volume as the East does but it's clogged up big time the last 10 days by those teams being in the spot and then relinquishing it the next game. We crowned a World Junior Championship for the second consecutive time. The Team USA, Sammy, and you just give a big... Makes me sick. Makes me sick. It does. What about Team USA, Sammy, and you just give a big... Makes me sick.

Makes you sick. It does. What about Team USA winning? Yeah. Well, it can't make you sick. Come on, they won twice in a row. Congratulations to them. If you got, you know, Ryan.

This is why Sammy's on the show. They're so... This is what we... Makes them, I mean... This is what we love to hate about Sammy. I was gonna say, like, geez. It's really worrisome. They've just been way better than us for multiple years here.

Like, Canada got one with Badaard, but I mean, I think it's, what is it, five of the last seven matchups they've beaten. Like, they've been better than Canada. They were way better than this tournament. They're producing all these top prospects, like... You're the guy that takes your net and goes home. So you're playing ball hockey as a kid, and littlemies and ghoul and they all go by I'd never go Not only that he takes the nets. You don't have a net to play with now, right? You know, he takes the net and go home So Canada is not gonna win it so we should have folded some of those people stuck with tickets

Which they could have given their tickets old their tickets back for the semi-final and final But I got to start with a positive about USA Finland making the final the games were entertaining yesterday Latvia was a positive story Unfortunately, we weren't got to come to the conclusion that that like there's a lot more To pick from in the US than there is now in our country like I told Totally understand it all we've done now now is focus and build on hockey programs thanks to having teams in Florida, Texas, California, obviously,

with added teams besides LA after all those years. They're playing the game, they love the game, there's more to pick from. The percentages say, Sammy, that it's... When they get serious, it's gonna be tough. 10 times the population base. Yeah, I completely understand numbers and people, like I don't like it, I don't like it.

I'm a bleeding heart Canadian. Hockey is supposed to be our thing, and we're falling behind here, we are. Well, I know, I see, then we... At this level. We quickly pivot there. Now, first of all, the women's hockey, we would love a third country

to be up there with Canada, USA. So I'm the chicken little thing for me. This thing always gets way blown out of proportion both ways. And the one thing I can say right now, and I think Sammy, you agree, and Kip, you agree, is first of all, anyone in my circle is not bleeping on the Canadian kids, okay?

Constructive criticism is fine Being vilified is absurd and it's the worst part of social media That's where like like, you know, like I don't count that like social media You cannot be responding reactive to the dregs of society Allegedly vilifying the players or whatever. At the same time, and this is not a shot at TSN, okay, because they're a business, they got to run it as a business, but the overhype to get them at that feverish spot, it makes it so easy for them to crash down.

And that plays into it. And I'm not saying it's their fault. Like I said, it's a multi-billion dollar industry, to sit there and promote these kids and push and push and push. But when there's not the prize at the end of the race, it's a hard fall. It's a natural hard fall because we kind of set them all up,

the teenagers. Well, we're the only country that has that kind of hype about it. And meanwhile, there's a bunch of good team, good countries in there, but they don't face the same kind of to your point about living and dying. We can't have it both ways.

We can't build them up and overhype them like crazy and think that, you know, the sharks like Sammy are gonna like, like Pac-Man, eat them up. I never mentioned one person, one player on any social media, I never did that. It's more of a program thing for me in terms of top to bottom, in terms of just the way they pick the teams,

in terms of what we have coming. That needs fixing. It needs fixing. That needs fixing. That's constructive criticism. And that's, like, you can go through all my social media. I never crapped on Cowan, I never crapped on anybody. There's all these kids that are getting crapped on.

There's too many personal agendas still at Hockey Canada. I completely agree. And it's like, who who gets picked and who looks good picking who and who wants to stick it to when they don't pick certain players. And who has influence. And who has influence. You know so yeah I mean that left them it was interesting because again we could break it down way more about how you didn't pick your most talented team But then you argue if you pick your most talented team Scoring wise then when you lose you said well, you didn't pick a team, you know, whatever so when you lose your

You're ripe for any kind of criticism that last period We saw when they scored two goals to Tachekia. That's the team That's the team we didn't see enough of. They beat Finland for nothing, but that one period was what they could be and for whatever reasons. You know, I- They took stupid penalties and you don't need to run people into the wall.

You don't need a big check that if you miss, you end up clipping a guy with your knee. You don't need that. You need to contain. These are European officials too. I mean, you could look at the coach for not putting the best young forward on the top line until the third period of the last game The tournament too could have talked about that Everywhere around yeah, of course, but it just I'm not going to the summit. I'll be at the summit. I'll be

Summit I where I've said this on Friday. I'll say to you guys here We're heading into now Marty Walsh has made it so that best on best hockey matters again This is we're starting and with the four nations face off into the Olympics into whatever is coming after that We need these kids right now to start to develop it because Mcdave is not gonna be around forever McKinnon's not be around forever like we need the next ones to start filling out the rest of roster and this is Like we need the next ones to start filling out the rest of the roster and this is America's at that level looks a lot better and that's concerning to me. So we're gonna be around forever We're gonna be around forever and our kids are gonna develop and they're gonna be fine

And and it is the more the merrier like there's more countries that are playing at a higher level than we had it to ourselves say 30 years ago we don't, and that's not all a bad thing. And I keep it your point is, yeah, it's become a extreme great event over Christmas, and it's got hype to a level that you can say is absurd, or you can say is unfair, as far as the expectation on the young individuals. But being eliminated for the first time ever twice, first time ever, first time in 30 years, anyway, whatever, in the quarter finals is a tough pill.

It's a great job, Holden Ford for Justin today. Really appreciate it. Next time I'm watching, I'm going to get out on time this time. I'm not going to keep talking. How about the guy that lost his phone during the game in the KHL? Amazing. So quickly I saw what happened. Apparently it was on the shelf by his elbow pad

He pulled off the elbow pad and it fell into the back of his pants I did have half a energy bar fall out of my pants during a game really yeah Our thanks to Jerry D for joining us and of, Gord Stalek have a great night, everybody. We're back tomorrow on the real Kipper and born show.