Ep. #557: Joe Scarborough, Frank Bruni, Charlamagne Tha God
00:00Welcome to an HBOpodcast from the HBO late-night seriesReal Time with Bill Maugh.Thank you very much.Wow.All right.Thank you so much for coming and testing and helping.Thank you very much.
00:50Oh, I appreciate it.I'm glad you're in a good mood.I got, thank you.I got to tell you, I had kind of an up and down week.Oh, I got all my money finally out of GameStop.and I put it all into Dr. Seuss books.So I just up and down.Yeah, I'm sure you heard about the big controversy this week.
01:10Yes, Dr. Seuss, the estate canceled, or the six books were discontinuedfor depictions that they said were hurtful and wrong,especially that one passage where the Grinch says,Whose Will Not Replace us?That was...That was...Oh.Delight.
01:28Delayed laughter's fine.As long as there's laughter.I don't care how long it takes to get there.I'm just happy for it.Yeah, I can't keep up with who's on the shit list anymore.You know, Mr. Potato Head is...I didn't even know what this fucking thing was.Mr. Potato Head is no longer Mr. Potato Head.
01:54I'm not sure why, but he's just potato head.I'm not making this.I can't keep up.Parody cannot keep up.Also, silly putty is now on the spectrum putty.I, it's crazy shit.But, you know, among the things I like about Joe Biden,he doesn't buy into this culture war shit.
02:19He ignores it, and he's got a 60% approval rating.So, you know, I think, yeah.And also, levels of malarkey have never been lower.That is a good indicator we,But, no, we are actually as divided as ever.Fifteen states, like it started with Texas and Mississippi, Alabama, Wyoming, Iowa.No more masks.They're completely opening up again.
02:46I tell you, half the countries with Dr. Fauci and half of them are with Dr. Seuss.I...And Texas, whoa, they are really radical on this.Don't not mess with their guns, their God, or their $2 shooters at Applebee's.These motherfuckers...the governor of Texas, he quoted Patrick Henry.Well, not an exact quote.He said, give me liberty and give me death.
03:17But President Biden, he's mad about this.He says, opening up too soon, we're jumping the gun.He called this Neanderthal thinking.And listen to this.Marsha Blackburn, Trump-loving Republican senator from Tennessee,defended Neanderthals.Again, I can't keep up with the comedy.She did.
03:37She said Neanderthals, they're protectors of family,they're resilient, and they're resourceful.And they're extinct.I feel we should enter that into the record.Oh, I mean, oh, it was a sad week for the Trump nuts this week,that the QAnon cult yesterday, March 4th, wink, wink.We're supposed to be the day in Q&None.nut world when the real inauguration would take place and Trump would be revealed as the one true president,
04:09just as the ancient prophecy predicted in the tweet of revelations.Who are these people who believe this shit? We don't know what the proud boys are proud of, but it's not their grades.I don't think. These, these, I mean, I try not to be too mean. But I mean, well, I don't try that hard.I mean, you know, they believe in the Democrats running a giant pedophile ringand that they eat babies and Jewish space lasers.And the latest, I'm not making this up, that Obama is Hitler's grandson.And then you mention COVID, and they go, you know, you can't believe everything you hear.But if you are any cute people out there, you know, I am Q.
05:08Good news.You know, if you're crestfallen from this news this weekend, you need a hug.Andrew Cuomo is available.I just want to...What are we booing already?But because he's a Democrat?Excuse me.How can a politician of this high profile be this fucking stupid?
05:29We're four years into the Me Too era.He's this dumb that you don't get...Don't hit on the help.Don't touch people without their permission.What...Thank you, one good.What could this guy be thinking?You know, he's hitting on what he said, you know,
05:48he told the girl, I'm open to a relationshipwith a woman in her 20s.No kidding.How big of you?What is...Yes.Who hasn't dreamed of banging Chico Marx?Some people remember Chico Marx
06:09and their life and their ass off right now.Not a big contingent, but...But, no, Cuomo, apparently,he asked one of the staffers she was 25,how she felt...This is, you know, his...Her version, but I don't think he's denied.How she felt about having sex with older men.
06:25And then he said, he was just making small talk.Just making...Hey, just, you know, pick a subject.Any subject.I don't know.Anything in the world.Sex with older men.What do you think?
06:35Start the conversation.He's an amazing man.An Italian with no game.And so, so, tone-death.You know, a lot of people want him to resign now,and he said he is not going to leave his job,because then where am I going to meet chicks?Tone-deaf.
06:59He said, I know people have disappointed me,but I'm sorry, I just won't quit.You know, like J-Lo's ass.I mean, this guy, all right, we got a great show.We have Charlemagne, the guy on Frank Bruney.But first up, he's co-hosted MSNBC's Morning Joe,an author of Saving Freedom, Truman the Cold War,and the fight for Western civilization.
07:19Morning Joe Scarborough.Joe.Good.Great to see you.Human beings.Yes, human beings.I have not seen humans in a while.Good laughing human beings.
07:35This is our best crowd yet.Sort of delayed laugh for some time.Just once, but that's okay.Good, Chico Marx.Chico Marx.Yeah.That's good.I know.
07:45Do you remember Chico Marx?Of course I do.I'm old, though.We're old.We've been doing this for a long time.But I never had kids, so I feel like I may be old, but I'm still the latest version of me.It makes a big difference.I have four kids, aged 62 to 12, so I've been doing this for a long time.
08:06You know, though, it's crazy.I've been doing this with you a long time.But not recently.I'm going to ask you, the last time I saw you, you were a Republican.Yeah.Well, I mean, it's not like 1924.But I was just to say really quickly before you talk about that,it's so nice to be here and your people stick around.
08:27Like this is a family that's been here for 25 years.I mean, that's saying an awful lot about you or an awful lot about them.Well, they are the nicest people.I always say they make up for the snarky host.You know?It helps.Yeah.It helps us.
08:50But honestly, tell me about this.because when you're an independent now.Yeah.So what does that say?To me, it says that you think the Republican Party is unsavable.Unsavable.Oh, no doubt about it.Because otherwise you would want to stay on, right, and reform it, but you think it's...
09:10It can't be saved.It cannot be saved.Yeah, I mean, you know, it's the craziest thing in the world because, again, talking about us,and when I first came here, I remember you were the only guy.that would actually defend conservative.Somebody attacked me on my first show here.I think called me a bigot and a racistbecause I was a Republican from the South, a conservative.
09:34And you defended me.And it was very nice, you know,somebody defending somebody because they're a conservative.I used to get attacked by liberalsbecause I was a conservative.Now I'm getting attacked by people who voted for a fascistbecause I'm a conservative.And that's, you know,
09:52my friends and my family members,they all voted for him.And it's,it's been hard for me to sort of process it.But the only way I've been able to come to terms with it is,you know,they're not fascists,but they voted for an ignorant man who is a fascist.
10:13I don't understand why.I've seen focus groups over the past couple days of Trump voterswho still with supporting.Who say things like,I like Donald Trump because of where he stands.I can't even say it with a straight face.On the issues.Now, you tell me, what the fuck does that mean?
10:32What, what, what, what issues?But what issues?What issues does this guy share with conservatives?He left with the biggest deficits ever, the biggest debt ever.He undercut all of our allies, all of,All the allies that Reagan championed, he embraced Russia.I know, but he's gone, Joe.Why are we still talking about him?
11:00Because 75 million people.And I've got to say, all of my people, my tribe, they voted for him.So when I see these focus groups, I feel like it's at, you'll remember this movie,because you remember Jeko Marx.There was this late 60s movie called Journey to the Other Side of the Sun.Yeah.Where everybody looked the same, but everything was opposite.And so when I see focus groups with Trump supporters, I'm like, yeah, they all voted for me.
11:31And the strangest things come out of their mouths.Well, when they took the straw poll at CPAC, the conservative convention last week, the big issue, way bigger than the ones you would think would be bigger like abortion.Yeah.Election integrity.Right.The Republican Party, as it is now, is sort of becoming a one-issue party.We was robbed.we have to prevent Democrats from voting.
11:54That seems to be their raison d'etre now.So you would admit, everybody, I think, in America would,that we probably need five parties, but we need at least two.So if we only have the Democrats and the conspiracy theory party,that can't work.There has to be a loyal opposition to the Democratic Party,because, like, here in California, we don't have it,and that's why I can't get my solar turned on.
12:21I...Oh, damn, I mentioned it again.You know, I look at some of the senatorswho really disappointed me over the past four years.And I look at how they responded on January the 6th.And it was really important what they did.Who are we talking about?Cruz and Holly?
12:41No.They should be in jail.Cruz and Holly are seditiousists.They should be in jail.Well, you can look at the federal statute.for inciting sedition.And it seems to me that's what they did.But you look at some of the senators, Ben Sass,
13:01who came out was quite critical.On the House side, you look at Liz Cheney.I will say this too.I gave him hell for four years,but Mitch McConnell on the sixth when he stood upand he said, this is the most important vote.I've taken in my lifetime.And we're going to vote today.
13:18And we're not going to let the mob have their say.that was significant.There are some Republicans, Liz Cheney in the House has stood up.There's some Republicans who have stood upactually for basic things,like a peaceful transfer of power.But didn't Mitch McConnell then sayhe's going to vote for Trump if he ran again?
13:37I mean, how is that standing up?I know if Cruz should be in jail,I don't know why Mitch McConnell shouldn't be his mate.But okay.But, okay.Some of these people, the guy who took your seat, I mean that politically, in Florida.Yeah.What was, you represented the Panhand?
14:00First District of Florida, yeah.First District.Okay, so what, that is the, excuse me, the Redneck Riviera?Yeah.Is that the...Well, we've always called it the Redneck River, L.A., also Lower Alabama.Right.Yeah, a lot of different things.
14:14This guy, Matt Gates, if you don't remember him, show the picture.He's, I always say it's the...Eat this nerd, congressman.And he does look like a guy from Dr. Seuss, by the way.Do you have that show?There.I mean, he looks almost exactly.So, just, let's use that as an encapsulation of where the Republican Party has migrated.
14:41You represented that district in the 90s.When was your last year in Congress?2001.2001.And guess what?In 2001, we had a $155 billion service.plus. We'd balanced the budget four years in a row. We did things that small government conservativessaid they were four. That's what we did. Now we have the biggest deficit ever, the biggest national
15:03debt ever. Donald Trump broke the record for deficits and debt even before COVID. So they don't,the Republican Party, again, there's been problems, but they just don't, there just aren't a lot ofconservatives in there anymore. Bill Clinton, I think, waspresident when they got the budget down to zero.Yeah, and by the way, by the way,he worked with us allevery step of the way. Well, no, he didn't, really didn't, buthe ended up having to sign a lot of the stuff we saw.
15:36All right. I want to mention your book before we were out of time.We really don't want to debate, Bill Clinton.No, I didn't want to be Trump.Yeah, yeah. Oh, I know. I'm not really,I'm really not... Let's go back to Truman, becausethat's your book. Okay. I'm obsessing.You have the 75 million people who voted for Trump.Okay, so, but why Truman?
15:54Because, you know, you could have written about anybody.Right.And look, I think it's, I was reading it, it's fantastic read, because I mean, I'm a history major.I love history.And that's a period right after the World War II that I think is, people don't realize how much the world could have gotten fucked up beyond recognition.Because people are complacent after something like a big war.You're exhausted.And Truman was the guy who brought us NATO.
16:18and put Stalin on notice,you're not going to be able to take over the rest of the world,the Marshall Plan.So that's why you wanted to write it,because you thought he never got his due?Well, yeah, I mean, he did more things over a short period of time,had a bigger inbox over a shorter period of time,I think, than any president, my God, any president,
16:43obviously, since World War II.But what I loved about Truman was,he actuallyhe knew how to make things workbecause he was actuallya product of Washington, D.C.He'd been a senator for 10 years, and I get so sick and tiredof people saying, oh, I want an outsider.
17:00I want somebody. No, if I'm getting brain surgery,I don't want an outsider. I want somebodywho's operated on a thousand different peopleif I'm flying in a plane, the same thing.And so, Truman actually knewhow to surround himself with the best and the brightest.He had the greatest people around him, whether it was Averill Harriman or whether it was George Marshall.And is this Biden as well, you're saying, that's similar?
17:27He's a product of Washington.Yeah, he's a product of Washington.Right.He should know he didn't just get into town a couple of weeks ago.We should know how Washington works.So I, but I, with Truman, I started writing it at the beginning of the campaign.But, you know, experience matters.Yes.
17:45We actually need experts.And more importantly, we need somebody that can reach across the aisle.And Truman did this, even though he was a partisan.He reached across the aisle to Arthur Vandenberg.He worked with him every day.He said, I'm not going to surprise you.This is what we need to do.Stalin's on the march.
18:00He dealt with a lot of isolationists.He said, this is the mistake we made with Hitler a decade ago.We can't make it again with Stalin.And the Soviets are on the march in Greece, in Turkey.And he actually, there was a partnership with,with Republicans.And he had not only worked with Vandenbergduring the day, he would send his staff
18:21over at night and go by his townhouseand say, okay, this is what we did today, you haveany problems with this? And I knowpeople say, oh, well, Washingtoncan't work that way anymore?I think it can. Yeah.But you have to have people who actually knowhow Washington works. You need someone who remembers
18:38Jiko Marx. Exactly. Thank you.All right, thank you. Oh, morning, Joe. Thank you forcoming by in the evening. Great to see youagain. All right, let's meet our panel.There they are. Wow. What an all-star group today. He is an op-ed columnist for the New York Times and a CNN contributor offer. Frank Bruney's over here. Frank, how you doing? And he's co-host of the nationally syndicated radio show, The Breakfast Club, and I Heart Radio. Charlemagne, the God is on our show.Thank you for doing this. You, I didn't know the table moved. I thought the edible kicked in early. I was like, I thought, I was like, yikes.Yes. Well, it's the Ouija.board I'm using.
19:25So gentlemen, I want to talk about moneytonight just to start becausethat's what the Democrats ran on.They ran on getting a minimum wageto people in America, andthat has been stalled. But now I'mreading about Biden iscompromising on the stimulus plan,
19:42which I think he should. It's$1.9 trillion.Here's what I read in your paper, Frank.The plan would send $1,400checks to individuals earningup to $75,000.And couples making $150,000 would get $1,400.Meanwhile, 53 million Americans, that's 44% of all workers, have low-wage jobs, no kidding.
20:07Median hourly wages, $10.22 an hour means they take in $18,000 a year.I mean, I understand not being able to pass the minimum wage because you're fighting the Republicans.I think they should keep trying, and I think they should die on that hill, by the way.we'll get to that.I don't understandwriting a billwhere you're sending out checksto people who make $150,000
20:31instead of moreto the people who make $18.And that's the Democrats.So anyone want toanyone want to defend the Democratson that?No.Great.
20:45Okay.It's crazy, right?Is that not fucking crazy?It's insane, you know?And for me, it's just like,yo, who gives this shit?The national debt is $27 trillion already.What's the extra $1.9 trillion?
21:00You're going to wait until, you're going to wait until, you know,you're already $27 trillion in debtto start complaining about where the fucking money goes?No, but I think if you're going to send the money out,I wouldn't send it to people who are making $150,000.I don't know if they need a check for...You're being an idealist.You're looking for legislation that's made with a scalpel.
21:18Most legislation is made with a meat cleaver, right?And that's the case here.I mean, if you go through this bill and you look at all of the different, you know, proposals in it,you're going to find some stuff that looks really smart and that you like,and you're going to find some stuff that...But that seems giant and glaring.And I just feel like if the Democrats don't win this minimum wage battle,this is their last chance to win back the little guy.
21:42You know, if you can't win this one, I feel like this should be whatever the nuclear option for this would be,whatever Mitch McConnell would do to win this.because otherwiseyou're not, who are you?You're not the guy for the little guy.No, I agree.I mean, number one, they would be keeping a campaign promise, right?And number two, it's just the right thing to do.
22:02Like, I was reading an editorial by my man Reverend William Barber,and he said that a $15 minimum wage increasewill lift 40% of black workersand 62 million poor and low-income Americans of every race.If you have the opportunity to make somebody's life better,you just simply do it.You know, number one,It's the right thing to do morally,
22:22and it's the right thing to do politically.Like, if Kamala Harris wants to run for president in the future,you think people aren't going to remember who put money in their pocket?Like, I remember who used to give me free food at McDonald's when I was young.You know what I mean?They'll never forget that.It's also the...But let's be clear, the Democrats didn't just leave this on the side of the road.
22:39They didn't just say, okay, let's cut this out.The parliamentarian said, no, this can't be part of this particular relief and stimulus package.Yes, they will come back at this.They absolutely will, for the reasons we're all to...talking about. This is a perfect alignmentof their political ideals, their politicalphilosophy, and a really popularissue. In Florida, this
22:57last election cycle, while Floridians werevoting for Donald Trump,more than 60% of them voted for theminimum wage to go up in that stateto $15 by 2026.And Florida is not a purple state.Florida's kind of reddish, actually.And so this is a winner, this is a big winning issue
23:13for the Democrats. And it's also a winner economicallybecause, yes, I'm sorry,but eventually whatever that number isthat you cited there, the debt.27 trillion.It's going to catch up to us.How can you forget it?There's going to be a crash.
23:27I mean, you can't keep going on like this.And then we're all going to be poor.Yeah, but the only time America complainsabout, you know, money is when they got to give itto the people who actually need it.Well, and that's, but here's the thing.When the minimum wage is this low,you know who winds up paying the government?
23:46McDonald's doesn't pay its worth.workers enough, so then they get food stamps.So the government is really subsidizinga giant corporation like McDonald's.Meanwhile,I'm reading aboutLady Gagahad her dogs
24:01kidnapped? Did you coverthis story?Sort of kind of.I did not.Sort of kind of?She offered a half a million to get them back?Just for information.Not even the dogs.
24:16It's justhalf a million dollars for information leading,and I think she got him back finally,but I was going to volunteer.I think I know where those dogs are.Oh, I heard some shit on the street.Hey, spending money on bullshit is the American way.They spend $1.7 trillion on a failed F-35 fighter jet.
24:35But when it comes to the American people,they're complaining about where the dollar's at.I know, but it just struck me as funnythat I hear so much about privilege,but when it's somebody who's on the blue team,We just left that pass because really half a million dollarsfor information about your dogs.It's her money, right?
24:52It's her money.Absolutely.Oh, I'm glad you feel that way.Hey, if I had a half a million dollars for a reward when I lost something,I probably wouldn't offer it, but I probably would.I don't have a kind of money, so I can't even put myself in that mindset.Okay.They were very cute dogs.
25:07They heard of pictures of them?They were, you know.Okay, so last month, the Biden administration said,speaking of money, they want to study reparations.Study it.Compensate descendants of slaves for unpaid labor by their ancestors,Jen Sacki, the press spokesman, said,we'll see what happens in the legislative process.
25:29I'm curious where you are on this issue.I mean, there's a collective guilt that's asking individuals to recompense.I think that's how we would frame that.Listen, I think reparations have to happen for black people.You know what I mean?because slavery was America's original sin.And I really don't think no good is going to come to this countryuntil they atoned for their original sin, which was slavery.
25:54I mean, my ancestors literally built this country for free.So when you see all of this money being thrown around,you know, $27 trillion in national debt,$1.7 trillion for failed F-35, fighters.Half a million for dogs.Half a million for fucking dogs.It's like, if you're black in this country,you have to be like, well, what the hell?
26:11What's up with us?You know what I mean?So for me personally, I...But again...I don't even see what the issue is.I don't even see how anybody could argue.The issue is that that's the collective guilt,but individual white people are saying,
26:23I didn't do it, and my ancestors didn't even do it,and you are not your ancestors.I'm a descendant of those answers.I know, but...Hey, listen, when a debt is old and debt is old, period.But you've got a lot of money, so you say you should get more.Should I get more?Well, no.
26:42You should get a check.Yes, I'm 97% of West Africa.and born in Charleston, South Carolina,so I should definitely get a check.But if it's to the point where, you know what,you make too much money, we don't think you deserve it,cool, give it to somebody who needs it.But to act like black people in this country
26:57don't deserve reparations is absolutely nuts to me.Hey, this is what I want.Put it like this.America.Just treat black people like their F-35 fighter jets.You had $1.7 trillion to throw it that bullshit.Throw it at the people who actually built this country.But I don't see our answer.
27:16But again, you didn't build this country.So what?You personally didn't.So what?I'm a descend to me.But I'm saying we're, we can't write a check to a ghost, you know.Why not?Why not?
27:31Because, you know, especially when the ghost's descendants are still here.Listen, let me ask you a question.How do you write the wrong of slavery then?Well, I mean, I think reparations can come in many forms.Why not?Cash is King.It's America.No, no, I agree.
27:45I mean, I think reparations do come in many forms.So we should be spending much, much more on the schools that serve black children.We should be spending much, much more on the infrastructure in black and predominantly black communities.We should be doing all sorts of things to close the opportunity gap, which is enormous in which we've done a terrible job closing.A debt is owed, and that's one of the ways you repay it.The problem I have with the reparations conversation is the questions you were asking a moment ago, it's practically a non-starter.I mean, in terms of practicality.No one's going to agree on the terms.
28:13no one's going to agree exactly on the eligibility criteria.Nobody's going to agree on the amount,and it's politically very unpopular,and while we're talking about somethingthat I don't think is passable,and that's why Obama didn't talk about it while it's in office.Why is it not passable, though? What?Why is it not possible?
28:27Look at public opinion polls.It's just not going to get done,and that's not about the merits.That's about the appeal out there.And in the meantime,there's so much we can and should be doingthat could be called reparationsabout the debt we owe.
28:39Well, let's change the name.Call it economic equity packages.Whatever it is, as he said,You could say Obamacare, which helped black and brown people, way more than white people.Obviously, all people can sign up for a bank.But that is the practical effect of it, is a form of reparations.You know, I mean, there's a tax that everybody pays.I don't think it's capped.
29:00You know, rich people pay more.Those kind of solutions are different.I mean, can I, listen to me to what Glenn Larry says.He says, it frames the moral claims African Americans legitimately have in the wrong way.The idea this debt can be paying.is a terrible idea.That's his thing.Once again, it's white people not wanting
29:19to be held accountable.Well, that's a black person.Well, oh, he's, okay, black person said that.Glenn Lowry said that.Okay.What's his name?Glenn Lowry.You know Glenn Lowry.
29:27Well, I just think that it's a debtthat is old to black peoplein America.Simple.And I'll ask the question,if y'all don't think it should be cash,what should it be?If y'all don't think it should be,
29:37if there should be any reparationsto black people, what should it be?All right.So, I want to know.Do you think that black peopleshould get reparations?I think it should be more.like what Frank and I are saying.
29:46A check? No.I think it should be done more by class.I mean, 21% of blacks are below the poverty line.So that means we're giving checks to 80% of peoplewho are not in poverty.Shouldn't it better be done that?If we're going to pass out money,that's not what I was starting the show way.
30:04We're going to pass out money.Let's pass it out to the porn disenfranchised.Absolutely.100%.Is a one-time check going to change lifeas much as a real investment in education?as much as a real investment in young people's social programs?I think a debt is owed, and I have no problem paying it in cash.
30:20I'm just talking about where the money goes to help the most number of people the quickest.Yeah.I think it should be all of that simply because there is really no price pointthat you could put on reparations for slavery.Like, none.Like, there's no number you can put on what my ancestors went through in this country.Yeah.All right.
30:37So Joe Biden famously said to you,if you have a problem figuring out whether, what,to everybody ask you this?Is that why you're laughing?Because you never will stop hearing the end of this?It's cool.It'll live in infamy, right?It'll live in infamy.
30:52He said if you have a problem,figure out whether to vote for me or Trump,you ain't black.What do you think about that?I mean, I find that not helpful.I mean, shit, he's still one.No, I'm not helpful to say to any group of people.If you don't agree with me,
31:12ain't this. You know, this is like,if you don't agree with me, then just unfriend me.Good, then don't be my friend anymore.Fuck off. You know what? We don'tall have to have one true opinion.Yeah, I think that's when you're too comfortable.You know what I mean?You're saying he was too comfortable. Yeah, he was too comfortable.
31:27And he probably had black people around himwho have said that. Because that was a commonsentiment, right? Like, if you vote for Donald Trump, then there'sno way you're not black, because clearly he's against,you know, black issues. So I think he heardthat one too many times, and he thought he couldget that off, and everybody would be like,Yay, Joe, we agree with you.
31:44And Trump did better with blacks this time than he did the first time.I don't care.No, I'm just saying.Not everyone agrees with that.And not everyone has to...Oh, that's true.But everybody makes mistakes too.I think Joe Biden is dying the minute those words left his mouth.
31:57He has a little bit of a brain-mouth coordination problem.No, but as...I mean, as hard as a different matter.I mean, what's odd about that quote in retrospect is Joe Biden has become over time.Such a humble man.I mean, and his presidency thus faras such a portrait and humility, not policy-wise,but in terms of the way he behaves.
32:16And that's a very arrogant remark to makean out-of-character, and I think it was one of thosemoments. Yes, he's a gaff machine.Speaking of which, I want to bring upAndrew Cuomo because it's fucking funny.That's why I, why should I lie?It's funny. It's a comedy show.But, you know, he's just
32:32a terrible, terrible way to hit on women.So this is a terrible time for his book to come out.Governor Cuomo's big bookPick up lines.We have a copy right here.Would you like to hear some of the...Oh, it's terrible.It's terrible.
32:49For example, do you like pizza?Because I'd like a pizza that ass.He's just the worst.He's terrible at this.Do you come here often,or do I have to move your desk closer?That's not...Sex with me is like Manhattan construction.
33:06It goes all night long.No.You make my heart race like COVIDthrough a New York State nursing home.terrible pickup line.Did you know Long Island was named after my penis?Was...My brother knows Don Lemon.
33:25I admit I'm no Gavin Newsom.Do you really want to date a governor who's prettier than you?And that's California.It's up to...That's all I'm going to say about it this week.All right. So Andrew Cuomo, let me just put it right out there.Hanging offense? Or not?Should he go?
33:53Oh.Do we have...Yes.You want to go first, Frank?Well, I don't think he should resign today or tomorrow or next weekbecause there's an investigation going on,and I believe in this musty, fusty thing called due process, right?This is one...
34:07I'm sorry to cut you off.This is one where I do not need an investigation.Like, I've always said on this show that it's a case-by-case basis.Some people don't like that, because we went to a place in 2017.It was like, always believe women.And I said, no, women should always be taken seriously.And like, Al Franken, I'm sorry, but I believe Al.I don't think he's that guy.
34:26He didn't get any kind of due process.I'm not saying that the Cuomo case is ambiguous.I mean, it does seem that what happened with the young age, the 25-year-old child.I'm just saying I believe these women completely.I don't need to have it to investigate.They are, I believe, every word they say.So maybe instead of resignation, instead of resignation, instead of impeachment, we put them in a room with a bunch of letcherous women40 years his senior and made him on him and he tells us how objectified he keeps.
34:57I mean, it's interesting, right?Because it's the epitome of arrogance and privilege for somebody to still be acting likethat after the Me Too times.Exactly. I know.It's just like, yo, it should be some type of self-correction, right?All men should have had some type of self-correction.And if you didn't have that self-correction, it will lead to self-destruction, right?But in the case of Governor Cuomo, it's kind of hard to ask him,
35:20resigned went to your point, you voted for Joe Biden.You know, if you weren't upset with Joe Biden who had more serious allegations that way of him.No, he didn't.No, he didn't.He was accused of actual rape.No, he wasn't.What are you talking about?Are you talking about?
35:35Are you talking about?Are you talking about the hallway incident?Tarree.Okay, well, I don't believe that.Oh, okay.That's what I'm saying.Some I believe, some I don't.That's my right.
35:43I don't believe her.These women, I believe completely.I don't think Joe Biden is the guy who finger bangs you with the hallway.I don't.No, no, no, look, to my point, I'm not saying I believe her either.I'm just saying he had more serious allegations leveled against him,and I didn't hear people asking for him to resign and drop out of the race.He doesn't, if you take that out of it.
36:04So if you take that incident out, I mean, he denied that 100% again and again.Andrew Cuomo was basically said about the 25-year-old aid.Yeah, well, it was misinterpreted.When I asked her if she thought it would be cool to have sex with older men, that was misinterpreted.Joe Biden said the same thing.Joe Biden said, from this point on, I'm going to say.start respecting women's personalspace more. But that was a different issue.
36:24That's when he was sniffing their hair.No, seriously. The firstallegation was just, it wasn'teven a Me Too if it was interpretedthat way in the press. It was justhe was trying to do an old manthing. Hey man. Harassment is harassment.No, it's not. I don't think we can tell
36:40women the difference between sniffing hairare saying something inappropriate because I think sniffing hairis just as inappropriate as saying something.Okay, well, it may be, but hewas just trying. I'll just...Sniff your hair right?Wouldn't you think it was weird?He was laughing at the phrase sniffing hair.
36:54You know, until this, sniffing hair was not a big part of the line.He was just trying to show her encouragement.She was about to make a speech.What?He was.She was about to make a speech.He came up behind her just to be like,you're going to do good out there, honey.
37:09You know, I mean,as well as,I mean, let's not pretend we live in this worldwhere all these things are the same.I agree with that.Okay.That I agree with 100%.Then sniffing hair.
37:20I just, I also, I really do wonder how do they pick and choose who they believe.I do wonder who they pick, how do they pick and choose who they think should resign.Who's they?Well, Democrats are just the media in general.It's like I just said, it's just individual.It's just what you, it's your, it's your bullshit meter.What you think is real, certainly based on the character of the person, what you know about them in the past, what it seems logical, what seems rational.What I hate about the Cuomo thing, don't lie.
37:48You know, don't, don't give me this bullshit about it.I wasn't making advances.Yes, you were.Oh, he clearly was.Just be real about it.I'm lonely.I'm horny.I have no...
37:59I mean, there's nothing sadder than a man with no game.Am I right?And he thinks he's untouchable.He really thinks he's an untouchable mob boss.Like, I don't care how much grease you put in your hair, Cornwall.You're not an untouchable mob boss.I mean, he's a bully through and through.He's a bully across every sector of his life.
38:15And, I mean, I hope we in the media have learned a lesson here about demonizing and deifying people.remember, go back and look in March andApril when Cuomo was doing those dailynews conferences, there were all sorts ofthings being written, could we get Biden offthe ticket and this guy in? That wouldbe real. Yeah. That wouldn't have worked outso well, would it? I wrote one of them myself.
38:34I wrote it. I remember saying thatin a tweet. I was like, let's get Cuomoin there for Biden. Yes, and boy, look outthe tables of turns. Like, yougo from a hero to publicenemy, one, just that fat. We defypeople too quickly, and we demonize them.Toast of the town. Toast. My dad would always say,
38:50you're never as good as they say you are,and you're never as bad as they say you are.If you just stay right there in that middle,everything will be fine.Okay, so there are some people who I don't likewhen I talk about this next subject,but I'm sorry.I can't listen to 24-7 media talking about COVID death,
39:09500,000, constant updates on how many people have died,and it is a life-and-death issue,without talking about obesity,and the fact that the mediaand the Fauci's of the world won'tto me is just an example of their tremendous cowardicein the face of the how dare you remind meI'm fat lobby
39:30but this is just too important an issuenot to talk aboutthis is the Washington Post this weekthe vast majority of coronavirus deathsoccurred in nations with high levels of obesity88% of deathswere in countries or more than half the population is overweightFauci, when Trump left, his first press commerce, he said, you know, thank God the wicked witch is dead.
39:58He said, let the science speak.But this is the science.And he never speaks about it.Isn't he never talks about how we have to be invested in our own health.Yeah.It's what's the most crucial thing to your outcome.I think that's what they mean when they say underlying conditions, right?They say people, instead of just saying what the underlying conditions are,
40:23they just say underlying conditions.That's all I got.Well, I mean, I'm not going to be on Twitter tomorrowwith you getting attacked by all that.No, no, no.Obese people.Okay.Well, at least that's honest.
40:37At least he's honest.He's like, he's like, right.I admire that.No, I'm just not going there.Okay.I'll be the guy.To the extent that there's a reluctance to talk about obesity as an underlying condition,I don't think that's about being irresponsible with science.
40:56I think that's about trying to recognize that for many, many years, and what am I saying,to this day, people who are overweight are shamed in this country.And they're struggling with it.They're not just kind of grabbing bag after bag or fritos with abandon and not caring.It is a tough, I know where of I speak.It is a tough, tough thing to lose weight, to keep weight off.And so I think when we shy away from talking too much about,obesity is an underlying condition.
41:21I think we're trying to be big-hearted and generousand understand that humans are imperfect,and people really do struggle with thisand don't want to be demonized for it.But this is life and death.I mean, is there a...Yes, I agree.Not shaming, not making fun.
41:37I've done things about this issue on the fore.Never did cheap fat jokes with it.But to not bring it up, to not ever go there.I also read last week thatliver diseasethrough the roofbecause people are at home drinking.They don't mention that either.
41:58It's not just obesity. It's justanything that has to do with yourown personal health, taking care ofyour own self internally. This battlehas to be won two ways. Yes,you have masks and socialdistancing and vaccines. That's theexternal. But never a word
42:13about the internal.Where really you have the better chanceof winning the game. Yeah, and it's not likethis country promotes healthy living.I mean, you know, how many times do you turnon the TV and see, you know, a commercial for,you know, something healthy as opposed to a commercial for some type of fast foodor even some type of alcohol?
42:31And you live in, certain people live in these communities,you know, mostly black and brown people where there are food deserts,where they don't have access to healthy food.And that's something we should put money into.A hundred percent.And instead of $1,400 to grandma with...Are F-35 fucking fighters?Right. Why is nobody talking about the failed fighter jet?
42:52I talked about it last week.That's $1.7 trillion.I mentioned it last week right here.You know how many people you can feed healthily with $1.7 trillion?I know.I think if you just go back to the Obama administration, I think you will find many efforts to put money into healthy living, and you'll find a vegetable garden at the White House that was meant to be a lesson for the country.And then we had for four years of president who thought KFC and Max were health food, right?A fat ass president.
43:18You gotta call it what it is.You can't expect a fat-ass president?I don't shame people for their...But I'm just saying, you can't...No, it's always okay.It's always okay to shame him when they're Republicans.I can make as many fat jokes about Chris Christy and Trump all the day long, and that's cool.I will shame Donald Trump.
43:34That's always cool.I will shame Donald Trump for his stupidity, for his mendacity, and for complete immorality.Not for his expanding race.Well, we're not shaming.We're not shaming.Okay.I thought it was an adjective.You know what I mean?
43:48You fad ass?Trump, he's fat.Exactly.So, probably last thing I'll get you,but Coca-Cola last week,they were put out a diversity training thingasking their employees to be less white.And the first thing I thought was,
44:04well, that's kind of turn around fair playbecause I've certainly heard a lot of African-Americanstalk about how, like, in the office,they had to be less black.OJ. Simpson said it famously.He was like, you know, when I go on the air,I have to talk white,And, you know, I have to comport myself in a different way.
44:21I have to live in two different worlds.So it's not like unprecedented to ask a certain group of people to be less of what you are.Right?But is this the way of the future?Is this revenge?Is it justified revenge?Is it justice?And also, I don't even know.
44:41I don't know how to be less white.What do I?I dance better.You know what they mean when they say be less white?I don't.I really don't.I don't practically know how to do it.Well, we live in a country that, you know,
44:53that's full of white supremacy, that we know.We know that people are racist.We know that people are bigoted.I think some people sometimes have a lot of unconscious biases, right, when you're white.All people, not just white.And I think, you know, asking somebody to be less white is just to say,yo, man, use your privilege to combat the prejudice that exist within this workplace.Like, if you're a white man, white woman, use your privilege that you have to combat the prejudice against black people.
45:19If you're a man, use your privilege that you have to combat, you know, sexism against women.If you're a straight man, use your straight privilege to combat the prejudice that exists against the LGBT community.That's all I think they're asking you to do.I mean, the goal is righteous, but I don't think that language gets us there.I think that language is counterproductive because I don't know either what less white means.I know what it means to be more sensitive.I know what it means to be less hasty and my judgment's less bigoted.And I strive to be all those things.
45:48I don't know what it means to be less white.Because you're white.but I'm black.And being that I'm black,I know exactly what it meanswhen they say,yo, be less white.Like, I totally, totally understand it
45:59when they tell somebody to be less whitebecause I have been dealing with white peoplemy whole life.And I don't even think sometimeswhite people understand the privilegeand the power that they possessin this country.I really don't.
46:09Especially, you know, older white males.And that's why I think nowa lot of older white males think they're being targetedwhen the truth is they're just being held accountable.And when you have so much privilegeyou're so much power and you're not being,you're not used to being held accountable.You think fairness is oppression.
46:26I just want you to treat us fair.That's it. But now that we're asking y'all to treat us fair,y'all are like, oh, I'm a victim now.I feel oppressed and I feel marginalized.Like, no, we just want fairness.I'd also just like to point out, Coca-Cola is not good for obesity.That is very true.New rules, everybody, new rules.
46:44Thank you guys.New Role, we have to admit that now that we've gotten these resultsfor the Johnson and Johnson vaccine,it's hard to ignore that things are looking up.It's nice to see positivetest results that are as happy to see meas I am to see them.Neural, someone must tell Hasbro,
47:18who just announced they're dropping the Mr.and Mr. Potato Head to be more genderneutral, that not having genitalsis gender neutral enough.Very true. Very true.And before you say this whole thingsounds completely insane,know this, that sales are through
47:36the roof at Toys Are They?New Rule, someone has to tell Erica farmer who's been accused ofnot only stealing her neighbor's goat,but painting it. If you don'twant people to think you're guilty, try wipingthat look off your face that says,I'll steal your fucking goat and paint it too.
47:58New Rule, now that ParisHilton has a podcast,someone has to find one person in Americawho saw Paris struggle to get out of alimo with a poodle in one hand and acosmo in the other and said, I wonderwhat she's thinking.New rule, since America's broken health care system charges people thousands of dollars to take an ambulance,
48:30Uber should compete with its own emergency service, UberLands.It's the same as a regular Uber, except there's band-aids and gauze in the glove compartment,and the driver promises not to talk about his screenplay while you're bleeding out.And finally, new rule, it's time to raise awareness about a very serious problem.Raising awareness.We raise too much of it.and it'sand it's making us crazy, anxious, and depressed.
49:11Must we be sad about everything all the time?Most of which we can't do anything about?The ribbons, the flags, the ads, the hashtags.It's like that person on the plane in the next seatwho won't take a hint that you don't want to talk.Please, I just want to look out the window as the engine explodes.And since it's award season,tonight I'd like to introduce
49:34this ribbon to raise awareness.for the growing epidemic of raising awareness.In March alone, we are marking World Glaucoma Week,national poison prevention week,International HPV Awareness Day,and World Down Syndrome Day.March is also National Colorectal Cancer Awareness Month,brain injury awareness month,
50:04bleeding disorders awareness month,and national deep-vein thrombosis awareness month.That's the month of March for you.It comes in like a brain injuryand goes out like deep-veined thrombosis.and, lest I forget, this Monday kicks you off World Salt Awareness Week,a whole week to be aware of salt.I thought we were.
50:31Is there someone out there thinking,why do restaurants always put the cocaine right next to the pepper?We're so aware 24-7 of every bad thing that could possibly happenthat we've completely run out of colors.Purple is now the color for Alzheimer's, lupus, epilepsy, fibromyalgia,whatever that word is.and the opioid crisis.I used to like that color.
51:03Now it scares the shit out of me.Everything you can buy nowcomes in a pink versionto raise awareness of breast cancer,including a pink drill bit for fracking,which is probably giving us cancer.Staples.Staples sells pink breast cancer awareness,
51:24pens, paperclip, scissors,even a pink stapler shaped like a ribbon.Walking the aisles there is like a visitto the Cancer Museum.Am I a terrible person because I'd like to buy office supplies without needing a drink afterward?Football players with pink shoes.Look, let me go on record and say, I'm against breast cancer, but I'm trying to escape for a few hours.Can I just watch the game without thinking about cancer?
51:51We've all heard about it.It's like raising awareness for death.Hey, what's that black ribbon for?Death.What's that?It's when you're not alive anymore.Would you like to hear more?Budweiser pulled their ads from this year's Super Bowl
52:12and donated the money to raise awareness about COVID,which I'm pretty aware of.Hey, Budweiser, you weren't put on Earth to raise my awareness.You were put on Earth to lower it.Humans need to zone out sometimes.That's why marijuana is popular.And meditating.It's not a privilege to take a break
52:43from everyone else's problems.It's an imperative.Not every ad on TV needs to chastise mefor not doing enough because I'm sitting aroundwatching TV. I can't even watch theprice is right without thinking about cutting my dog'sballs off.Crew members on the major airlines
53:04now wear Black Lives Matterpins during the flight. You know,you can support a movement without beingconstantly reminded of it?Can I just get a rum and Coke andhold the white guilt trip till we land?Must we useevery available platform as an issue billboard?
53:22Clothing, commercials, social media,sporting events, award shows, milk.I feel like this all started with milk.Someone in the 80s looked at a milk cartonand said, what a waste.Not using milk as a vehicle for missing childrento plead with you to put down the shredded wheatand get out there and crack my cold case.
53:45Look, look, I don't have a lab where I can cure cancer.I'm not a PI.And that's the part about this stuff that bugs me.It's not actually doing something.That ribbon isn't there to make me thinkso much as to raise awarenessof what a good person you are.This is to activism
54:09what putting a flag on your car is to patriotism.So in April, please,won't you join me for a chill the fuck out month?All right, that's our show.I want to thank Frank Brutie, Charlemagne the God,and Joe Scarborough.We'll see you next week.Thank you, folks.
54:25You were great.Catch all new episodes of Real Time with Bill Maherevery Friday night at 10or watch them anytime on HBO On Demand.For more information, log on to HBO.com.
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