Ep. #611: Wynton Marsalis, Scott Galloway, Matt Welch
00:00Welcome to an HBOpodcast from the HBO late-night seriesReal Time with Bill Moss.Thank you so much.Thank you very much.Thank you.I appreciate that.I know why you're happy.
00:48I know.I know.I know why you're happy.The heat waves seems to be subsiding a little bit, right?I mean, it's been a brutal week.Right?This town?Oh, my God.
00:58It's like, L.A. was like Death Valley with In-N-Out burgers.I mean...I...people on this timeare going to their hot yoga class to cool off.I mean, it's,ooh, it's it hot out there.I saw this Gen Z kid.
01:14He was so desperate to cool off.He changed his pronoun to,now they said, we're going to get rain.We're going to get like a torrential downpourfor 36 hours.It's worse.Did anybody remember when people used to come to this statefor the weather?
01:38Remember that?It was like a selling point.But, okay.Let's not bore the rest of the country with our problems.A lot of problems.I tell you the big story when we were off is the Biden speech.Did you see Biden's speech?He has...
01:57I don't know.I liked it.Right.I mean, Uncle Joe's taken a new tack.The gloves are off.No more Mr. Nice guy.He called out Maga Nation for being semi-fascist and Trump was pissed.Seriously.
02:13Trump immediately called for a new election,or he said, if not,that, he demanded to bejust reinstalled.How dare you call me a fascist, now installme as president immediately.And one of his chiefarchitects of MAGA Nation,
02:39Steve Bannon, you know, Steve Bannon, he's been onthis show, we know Steve, sure.Steve, he's in big trouble, notfor any of the really horrible things he did,for something rather petty, you know,when Trump was president, he wanted a member buildthe wall, and they didn't build anything.So Steve Bannon had his own charity.
02:59We build the wall and people send him moneyso that he would build the wall and then he took the money.That's what he's in trouble for.But to be fair,they did build half a mile of wall.So they were very effective in stopping the world's laziest migrant.But you all know the big story.Sad day for inbreeding.
03:35Queen Elizabeth died at 96.They say the cause of death was Megan Markle'spodcast. No, I likethe Queen. Her personal estate,they said, was worth almosthalf a billion dollars. It used to be worth a billion.That's what you getfor listening to Matt Damon.
04:00But the WhiteHouse is saying for a long time, they didn't knowwhether Biden was going to go to the funeral. They finallysaid just a few hours ago, he is going to,I was not in doubt.Biden funeral.It's like when the dog hears yourkeys. You know, I mean,
04:27you know, Biden senses condolencesto the people of Englandand said, if we can do anything, we're hereto be your friend.And Trump also sent condolences and saidthey could bury her in his golf courseif they wanted to take.Oh, I mean,
04:50condolences are coming in from all of it.Of course, the British people, very upset about thisis that Elton John is writing a new song.It's called Mustard in the Fridge.Well, he's noting the factDiana was 36, and the queen is almost 100.Mustard in the fridge.Seems to me you lived your life like mustard in the fridge.
05:15We're all upset.I called Buckingham Palace to give my condolences.They said, New Queen, who did?You know who's very glad the Queen is dead?QAnon.Any QAnon people here?I always welcome.I say everybody's welcome at my show.
05:39But QAnon, they think the Queen was part of the child trafficking ringthat was eating babies.But she lived to 96.I say, pass the baby.All right.We've got a great show.We have Matt Welch and Scott Galloway.But first up,
05:53he is a nine-time Grammy Award winnerand the first Pulitzer Prize-winning jazz musician.He leads jazz at the Lincoln Centerwith its 35th concert season opening on September 30th.Wenton Marsalis.Hello, sir.How are you?Great to see you again.
06:13Thank you for being, ma'am.I feel like I over here.you a debt of gratitude because, first of all, I associate yousynonymously with jazz. Not that there haven't beengiants in the past, but in my era, you are jazz.And I associate jazzand I associate jazz with marijuana.Right? I mean, they used to even call a joint
06:48a jazz cigarette. Is that not true?I think so.And remember, when people first started getting high, it was legal.Was it?Les musicians were getting high, it was legal.And then it became illegal.Louis Armstrong was an advocate.Pot was legal?
07:05It was legal.Cocaine was legal?Well, I think pot was, too.I'm not sure about that.Don't check me.I think they...Don't check me.Whatever it was, it was frowned upon.
07:19Certainly, by the 20s and 30s, it was certainly frowned upon.And the only people who were doing it were jazz musicians.I mean, they sort of made it a thing.Well, I think a lot of people were doing it.They were getting publicity for doing it.And, you know, I think that actually legalizing itis the smartest thing to do.It's much better than alcohol.
07:39Oh, of course.And, you know, it's going to seem crazybecause I grew up actually in clubs.I was always around people high, not just weed,but just whatever was there.P-2, it was always secondhand smoke that got me.There's people around me wouldn't.No, I actually never got high.
08:01I never smoked nothing.I'm a brass player.Wow.But I didn't, I don't think it's as big a deal as it's made out to be.Sometimes it's fun to just tell people no.And I think there are the more pressing drug problems.Oh, there are.They have drugs that you pay for.
08:18That's a bigger problem.Well, I thought.Over-the-counter drugs that you don't pay just a few dollars for it.Sure.That you pay a lot for.But you can't deny that it does have something to do with the flowering of people's imagination and creativity.I don't think that.I don't think getting high up yet all.
08:36You must know people who think that.It's like the great Jerry Mulligan told me once about getting high on heroin.He said, we all thought we would play like bird, and we all ended up just being heroin addicts.Wow.Like, you're not going to play like Charlie Parker because you're high.Right.And we have all the history to prove that.So if you want to get high and have fun and you have your thing you want to do, okay, but it's a thing you want to do.
08:55okay, but it's not going to help yoube Duke Ellington.Jeez, I've got to make a big reassessment of a lot.I get a good.I would love to stay in talk of you,but you've really rocked my world.Well, listen, you know, we both travel America, right?Do you see the same country
09:17when you go out to the middle of Americathat you read about in the media?Because I don't.No, I see people. I mean, I've been travelingin a country by car.I'm afraid to fly.I traveled across the country in a car to come out here,and I'm always in places talking with people.
09:33And, you know, a lot of the things we think,when we meet people, they're people.When we view people stereotypically,and we deal with them in their group,and when they sit in their group,they're not like who they are when you see them in person.Right.You know, about this, afraid to fly,
09:54if you smoke a joint.It doesn't help me.I wouldn't try it.No kind of drug would help me with that.I'm so afraid.But you wouldn't know if you sat next to me.I'd just fake being cool the whole time.I get some music.
10:10I work on a score.I'm just in here.You are always cool.I don't think you're fake.I need a better phobia.But last time you were here,we were talking about how, I mean,your theory that the,
10:22and I think a lot of people shared,that the media sort of keeps us fightingamongst each other.Well, it's a hustle.And the hustle is always based on getting peopleon the bottom of a societyto think that each one is the enemy.And in our country, if you look at the position
10:40the poor Southern White was in,he's angry at the peoplewho cannot affect him.And he's out fighting war for those peopleand those who don't affect him, slaves.He's looking at them and he's mad at them.You need to be mad at who can affectyour financial condition.
10:56Right.Yeah. You're talking about the soldiers who fought for General Lee in the Confederacy did not really have a stake in that. They were not owners.They're still fighting. And they're still fighting. They're still fighting. There are people fighting against who live in places where they never see a Mexican anytime. They're fighting to make sure that Mexicans don't come here. And they're fighting for issues that don't affect them locally. And they're fighting as a group with some group that they can.can't even define really. A group called white or a group called black. And my brother and I were laughingabout, can you imagine if you've got people from Vietnam, Vietnam, Japan, China, Thailand,and you put them all together and call them a group called yellows? And then you start to talk tothem as if they were going to adhere to your concept of what they were. And as a nation, we have tokind of, we have to figure out what space do we want to be in in terms of our conception of ourselves.
11:53We want to be symbiotic? Like you and I, we're sitting there talking. Do I want tofight you or do I want to come togetherwith you? Do I want to share the space?And that's really what jazz is about. It's aboutsharing space.It's important to realizethat you're sharing space with people who are not playingwhat you would play.
12:17So sometimes they're playing notes.Rhythm section is accompanied you. They're not playingwhat you would play. But you can't stop in the middleof what you're playing and say, don't play this. Play what Iwould play. So theexercise in the music is how can weuse our formto address the issue at hand, which is swinging and sounding good as a group,
12:36then how can I work with you in the space and find a way for us to swing?That's why we go back and forth.And it's not all funny games.You know, sometimes it can get heated.It's not all on the game.On stage, it can get heated?Not enough.You try to, if you're professional, it won't get heated on stage.
12:57But there have been times when people have come to issues on stage.For us and our group, we have a really good balance,and we acknowledge it for the last 15 or so years.We all say most bands are very dysfunctional.But you're saying because it's so improvisational,sometimes you get pissed because some guy is going off on somethingthat certainly wasn't planned because it couldn't be,but you don't think that that was a great direction to go in.
13:23Well, there's a lot of choice.Right.And wherever there's choice, there's strife.Yeah.And there are a lot of paradoxical moments, ambiguous moments.and somebody steps into the space and you have to make decisionsand there are also hierarchies like the drums are the presidentthe piano is the legislature and the base is a judicial branch
13:39now you have to deal with them so you know a drummer might playsomething you don't like and also the jazz musicians are very we have heatedpersonalities like we can speak good clear English to youif we don't like what's going on and we play with a lot of passion and feelingbut we're working out ideas, and things could go in any way,but there's a form that you have to know that we follow.You have to agree that you're trying to swingand that you will follow that form, and you solo as long as you want.
14:11So you may solo 15 choruses when two were good.Now everybody's looking at you like,so, you know, you have to want to share space.Can you impeach a drummer?Because I have heard tapes of people on stage yelling at their band.I've heard Buddy Rich.Well, you couldn't impeach him.It was his band.
14:38Buddy Rich?You couldn't impeach Buddy.No.He's a drummer.Sometime of 8th degree black belt or something.You had to be very careful trying to impeach him.But they could be very mean.I've heard James Brown call out a fine to his band on.
14:51$50.Could just the guy hit the wrong note.It's a part of the kind of culture of excellence.Sometimes people get heated.When I was young, I was very heated.As you get older, you start to learn how to not be that way.Because you get more out of people when you're not doing.But certainly, as a Pulitzer Prize winner in your field,
15:12as the director of the jazz people at Lincoln Center,certainly when you're on stage,I assume everyone just gives it over to you.No, we don't have that type of band.Really?Actually, we have younger musicians that came up just more like we're familiar.So sometimes I'll call a tune in our bass player calls San Ricas,who I've known since he was in high school.
15:34he'll be like, no, Papa.I don't actually count our songs off.The guy who sits in front of me,who will play second Trubon, Chris Crenshaw,he has perfect pitch and perfect time.So he's like a metronome.So I learned to just say,Chris, what is 120?
15:49And he will count the songs off.We share the speech.What is 120?I know what 420 is.I think, I think,I think,the 120 is, I don't,Chris knows.
16:02I don't know if I ask him.All right.What is it, Chris?Well, so you drove out here, you said.Yeah, that's.From New York?From New York.I've driven around the country for 40 years.
16:14No, I know.You're playing the Hollywood Bowl.I'm not flattering myself again.No, I'm so flattered that why you were here on your long journey,you would come to see me in any time you want to.I always love having you here.It's such a pleasure.Thank you.
16:27All right.Winston Marcellus.Let's go it again.Longer form.All right.Let's meet our panel.Thank you, brother.Hello, gentlemen.
16:41All right, he is co-host of the Pivot Podcast,an author of the outgoing book,Adrift, America in 100 charts.Scott Galloway is back with us.And he's edited at large for Reason magazineand co-host of the fifth column podcast, Matt Welch.She's over here, once again.Okay, I'm just going to ask one question about the queen.
17:03Look, I like the queen.Everybody likes the queen.The movie The Queen.It was great.Remember that movie?And if you remember, the theme of the movie was like, you know,Tony Blair comes into office, he thinks he's going to hate her and she's old,and he comes away defending her and understanding why she is great.
17:20Okay.So, but I made lots of jokes about the Queen.I noticed whenever it was a British person, like even the ones who you see,iconic classic, Sharon Osborne was here once, Pierce Morgan,Andrew Sullivan, the British people, it's not funny.It's like, no, don't call her the old.bag. Whatever I... It's like... No.They really... If you're even the ones who came
17:44to America, the British people,they have a thing, or...My question is, is it just for thislady? I think it diedwith her. I think that reverence,I think she was the last one.And now, the monarchy,I'm not going to say it's going to go away.
18:00But I think that kind of like, no, don't say anythingabout it. I think that's going to go.I think she was the last of a thing. What do you think?I have a hard time believing that JohnnyRodden is going to say God save the king whenhe tweeted outhis best wishage towards the queen. Johnny Rottenham?Johnny Rotten? Johnny Rotten did. In addition to Ozzy
18:20Osbourne and everybody else. I don't think that's going to happen with KingCharles. That's what I'm saying. It's in their blood.My mom came here in the early 60s with just two suitcases and she foundon a steamship and she found space for Chinathat had the queen's picture on it. No, I don't think there's anyindividual in history that's rained overan institution with so much grace over 70 years.So, you know, it's, it's, yeah.
18:46I thought it was also, I thought it was also hardening to see a bunch of people come togetherand collectively be sad about one person.It felt good.In some, I thought the double rainbow over the Buckingham Palace was fitting.She did, I mean, there's been a lot of great stories.This guy's only second generation British, apparently, and he's got a bono for him.100%.It's unbelievable.
19:08You'll get a boner from the following story, which is that that's come out since.She loved to drive, right?She was a mechanic during World War II, and she loved the tool around in her Jeep.She got the Saudi King Abdullah.She's like, hey, you want to take a little spin on the properties?She's like, sure.She got into the driver's seat.And he's, wait, that's not how this works.
19:28And there wasn't anybody else.And she just starts ripping, doing donuts in Balmoral, absolutely creeping out the Saudi.So there's your bonus.Ironically, the same prince was a queen.Sorry.Very uncomfortable silence, sir.Sorry.And the Saudi dude wore a dress.
19:49Anyways.All right, let's go to America.The big thing that happened when we were off was Biden's speech.And I got to say this.We're going to talk about whether you like the speech or notand whether it was the right thing to do.But I got to say, Joe Biden is an old dog that can learn a neutral.trick. He is.
20:11He is all about,you know, and by that, that's such a stupid phrase.Old dog, can't teach an old dog.Yeah, that applies to dogs.Humans are actually the opposite.We get wiser as we get older.Something Americans are too stupid to understand.So, like, he came into office,
20:30I'm going to be, you know, reconcilewith the Republicans, they're the old Republican Party.He finally got it through his head.No, they're not.You cannot negotiate with election deniers.So, 59% of the people agree with him in his speech about MAGA is a threat to this countrybecause they don't believe in democracy.But 58% of the people said this speech was divisive.
20:52I get this because I feel like it's kind of analogous to Afghanistan.That he did it, I liked.The way he did it, not good.I think there's something to that.I think the speech was a bad speech and a misstatement.opportunity. If you think, and I think you think, and I think, that there's a subset of the RepublicanParty, MAGA Republicans, ultra MAGA, whatever he's calling it, that MAGA force every daychanges, that don't believe in the results of the 2020 election that are actively trying
21:28to elect people like Doug Maastriano in Pennsylvania, but people in secretaries of state andMichigan and other places that are going to engage in chicaneery in 2024, then you can focus onthat. There's no business in the speech likethat to talk about, as Biden did,infrastructure,contraception. That has nothing to do.The thing that you're talking about is aparticular set of authoritarian
21:52or just kind of cuckoo-bonanasvalues. And what you do in that caseis say, what can we do to tryto insulate ourselves as a countryand a society against that? One thing you could dois mention, which he did not do evenonce in the speech, the Electoral CountReform Act, bipartisan,
22:08introduced by Susan Collins, a Republicanthat would basically take off the tableall of the novel legal tricksthat the Trump team were trying in 2020.Didn't mention it.And Democrats are not bringing it up.They're not bringing that vote upfor the bill up for discussion
22:23until after the election.If you really believe democracy is in peril,act like it.I...I think you're giving himtoo much credit because I don't thinkpeople saw the speech. The networks didn't carry it.You know,
22:40His big mistake was, well, two mistakes.One, thinking that Americans can appreciate nuance.He wanted to separate Republicans from MAGA Republicans.And let me give you the four criteria he said are a MAGA Republican.You reject the election results.Support the candidates who reject election results,of which there are many on the ballot this November.Approve of the January 6th rioters.
23:07Support the political use of violence.that's who he was talking to.No one heard this.They didn't watch the speech.All they heard was he attacked us.He attacked our side.That's where his big mistake was.People are not good enough to appreciate nuance in this country.
23:26They didn't hear this.If he had made a speech that critiqued the fringe of both sides,I think he would be in such a winning place right now.I'm sure thaton MSNBCthey would be saying, oh, that's false equivalencies.So fucking what?Do you want to save the country or do you want to win points?
23:50Yes, there would be some false equivalencies.But if he had made a speech to that middle of the country guythat we were talking about,who's actually all over the country,he comes up to me and says,thank you for talking since, you know,I just want some centrist stuff that isn't nonsense.If he had called out the people he did call out,
24:07the Magaside, but then said,and the left, my partyhas a lot of crazy shitthat's going on. And people...And if he hadsaid that, we don't want, peoplewho don't want fascism and don't want to losethe right to an abortion, and also don't
24:23want their children indoctrinated when they goto school, and called out some of that.I think it would have beensuch a big momentfor the country. The largest political partyis now independence to have 41%.And I think... Really?This mistake and self-identifications come from 34 to 41%.
24:41The mistake we on the left make is that we believe people are going to vote for what offends them as opposed to what affects them.And the opportunity to talk about economics, the opportunity, you know, I will say this.I do think it's a false equivalence.Everybody is referencing the Lincoln speech and saying that, you know, four score and seven years ago,you need a pathos to bring people together.The Lincoln speech basically said, I'm going to draw a drop of blood.from every white soldier that we drew from black people.It was not, it was, we were going to reunify the country
25:12by killing more white southerners.And I think at some point you reunify the countryby holding people accountable for their actions and their words.But I think also, I think you work backward from the,what are the elements of Trump or Trumpism that are beyond the pale, right?Let's say he lies more than everybody else.He kind of does, right?Yep.
25:37He encouraged people to riot.He disputed the results of an election.There are lies on the Democratic side, too, sometimes.If you think about what are the traits that we don't want to see,then look to yourself and anybody's faction.I'm libertarian with a small L.It's a small little faction.People on that team, too, can engage in this and call it up.
26:01There's a lot of election denial in the Democratic Party,depending on if you lose.Stacey Abrams was not a graciousloser in the Georgia racea couple of years ago, and she's reveredas a hero on the left largely.There's a lot of political violence in thiscountry on the left. It's not the same.
26:18But it's worth talkingabout if those values matter to you,you work back from the value.I don't know why a smart guy like you would go there.Honestly, and I,as a big fan of you, I just think there's so many other things.And you're right, too. It is falseequivalents. The Republicans are
26:35more dangerous. But again, do you want towin or do you want to win points?And then, sorry,to your point, like,please, Al Gore conceded the election.Yeah. Hillary Clintongot in her purple suit.Yeah. Okay? That's just the
26:51worst one to fight thaton. Maybe Stacey Abrams wasn't as gracious asyou should have been. Thatissue is a, Republicanown that issue ofelection denial. Let's fightAnd Democrats have to ownof other crazy shit
27:08where, you know, a bodega guy getsattacked, and then he'sbrought up on charges because he fought back.Go to war on that.This bakery in Portlandthat I saw won a big suit this weekbecause they were accused of racismand they won, I think, $135 million
27:28from Oberlin College.Just pick out something. There's something every daythat Biden could have picked out and said,And my side has gone too far on this,and yes, it wouldn't be equivalent,but the country could then,the people in the middleand the people who don't want to feel like
27:43you're just attacking my teamwould be like, yes, finally,and then he could not have to run again.I think we all wait a bit in that case.Hold on the extremists on the left.They want to fire some of my colleaguesfor making hapless remarks.They want to try and see social status
28:03by acting more virtuous than they are in their everyday lives,and it's obnoxious, and it's out of touch.But election denial,wanting to move towards a white Christian nationalist nation,that's just fucking out of control.I'm not arguing with you.One is a dumpster fire.One is a dumpster fire.
28:22The other is a nuclear mushroom cloud that brings all of us.Okay, but the people who populate this countryaren't watching you or this show right nowand just don't appreciate that difference.And you've got to win. You got to win.Win, baby. Just win.But his job was to turn out Democrats, not to reunify the country.Midterms are in two weeks.
28:41He wanted, or coming up, he wanted to electrify his base.I don't think this is about reunifying a country.But we're talking about so much of the problem of this country, I feel, is that we're a grievance culture.Now, that's especially on the right.I used to always ask, I don't understand why the Trump voter who thinks of themselves is so macho.likes this whiny little bitch.That was always my point.Why?
29:09And I realizedbecause they completely relate.They relate to this feeling of grievancethat we've been robbed of something.And also insulted.I mean, you hear that a lot from people who voted for Trump,especially the first time around,is that they don't like the way that the culture sneers at them,
29:31the way perceived that the culture, academia,or whatever, is sneering at them.and he speaks to them or in their language in some way.That's as much as anything else of people's motivation.But again, I think what you do is,you don't do a campaign speech because that's not the,you said 41% of people self-identify as independence.I wrote a book about that 10 years ago.
29:52It is a big thing.People don't like the partisan scrum.So there are values that you can appeal to everybody on within that.And he didn't.Just today, he tweeted out,you know, we have to fight the ultra-maga agendaof cutting social security.My people, that is a ridiculous thing to say.
30:09Donald Trump, in the field of 2015 and 2016,distinguished himself as the Republican,laughing at Paul Ryan for wanting to cut social security.Donald Trump changed Republican attitudesabout cutting social security.Ultramaga has nothing to do with cutting social security.So stop trying to make a normal election out of it.Talk about the abnormal things that Republicans are doing.
30:30Why is there...Why is there always as implicit no?notion and expectation that we on the left have an responsibility to understand the guy thatdresses up as Dramarquois. By the way, lives with his mother, lives with his mother,the guy who stormed the Capitol. Why is there always the on us on the left to understandpeople who want to deny the election? And here's what I understand. We have a constitution,we have laws, we're going to put their asses in jail. And this notion around masculinity is animportant one, because a lot of men are failing in this country, and unfortunately they've conflated
31:07toxicity with masculinity because of our last president,not recognizing the true masculinityis the ability to garner strength and skillsso that you can protect others.That's what it means of our men.We need that, the Democratic Party.Obama, Obama reflected that.Our veterans reflected that.
31:26We need more.And by the way, and on the left, you also got to acknowledge,to be a man doesn't mean you're toxic.It's okay to be a man.It's a thing, and it's a really awesome...but...Thanks, bro.Not going to help it.
31:46Great to be with you guys here.Beginning of football season last night.Was it an awesome or fucking what?Man, I can't believe the bill's kicked ass, man.That's the worst impression of a man I've heard.Let's talk about the queen.Well, I mean, there are millions of men, to your point,about men being in crisis,
32:11there are millions of men who are playing, you know, fantasy football now.They, like, have a make-believe football teamthat they're managing,and they're going to ignore their family for the next six months.Win-win.What?It sounds like a win-win.I mean...
32:30Yes.Come on.I always...My individualism is dar starts going off.when I hear a lot of big talk about men and women and what they need and what they don't.But I think a big part of it right now is that men just don't work as much as they used to,especially young men, right?Teenagers 20 years ago, more than half of them 16 and over worked.
32:53Now it's one third.That's a big drop-off in 20 years.And every one of the generations afterwards works less as a cohort than they did up until,this is good news for you guys, 55.55 and older more share of men work than they did 20 years ago.That's weird.If we're, like, losing the idea that getting a work ethic, figuring out how to, you know, wake up, hung over and show up to work on time to get the independence of having a hostile third party allow, you know, pay you money to do indifferent work, that's important.And we're not doing that anymore.
33:24And that, I think, is worse for masculinity than playing fantasy.But you're talking about the symptom.We're trying to get at the root cause.Why are men in such crisis?I mean, the stats are like, only 40% go to college.So they're losing out to women there in a big way.And women with degrees don't marry men who don't have degrees.So, great, you'll be lonely forever, aren't you?
33:58Why are you chewing that?They didn't tell my wife.They don't marry as much, which I think is great,but other people think that's a terrible thing.Okay.people do like a mate whateverthat's whatever you blowyour boat floats by
34:13but there is something going onI mean mass shootingsis a uniquely male crimeit's always because some dude inBuffalo you knowhad somebody swipeleft on him too muchI mean I feel like that's what's going on here
34:31is a lot ofsort of mailnesscoming to the foreand announcing itself in violence and racism and hatredbecause they're lonely and lostand feel that they are not useful in society.How did we get there?The most unstable nations in the world
34:53have one thing in common,and that is they have too many lonely, broke, and alone men.It's the most dangerous person in the world.Someone rushed to be attacked because of the fowah.He was attacked because a guy was living in his mother's basement.We have a crisis among young men, and it starts at a young age.Young men are twice as likely on a behavior-adjusted basis to be suspended.Seven and ten high school valedictorians or women, for every one female, for every two female graduates from college in the next five years, you'll only have one.
35:21The scariest stat, walking down the avenue that is America, only one and three men under the age of 30 have had sex in the last year.And you hear sex and your brain fires.But the bottom line is it's a key step to the elemental foundation of any society, and that is relationships.Young men aren't attaching to work.They aren't attaching to women.They aren't attaching to schools.We are producing too many of the most dangerous person in society.And we are losing out on a key.
35:47We're not going to have kids.We're not going to have a productive society.We're going to have more violence.And also, we're going to have a society that does not value young men.And they do not.Young men are different.They develop later.And by the way, if you're a young man, this work-from-home thing is a disaster.
36:03They needyoung menyoung men needguardrails.They need to knowhow to read a room.They need to put it on a clean shirt.They know not to get high
36:14or drink too much during the weekand then get into the officethe next day.We have a crisis among young men.It is, it is, it is,it is one of the most,in my view,one of the most dangerous things
36:25in our society.And where do you put the phonein this equation?Because I put it high upbecause, thank you.BecauseI was reading recentlyTinder, 2 to 1 male
36:40to female. Oh.What? No, it's just a startlingstatistic, yeah.Why is it startling? I mean, it soundslike a great idea. Oh, I can just orderwomen like I do a pizza on myphone. I think I'll have the Kelly today.Except when
36:59you go on it,it weeds out the people who aren't the bestlooking, I think, because, you know,used to be, go to a bar, okay, maybe it was potluck.But you have to be able to learn to talk to a woman.I don't think they had to talk to a woman anymore.Because it's just on the phone.It's just like, what's up?
37:22You know, what's up and send a picture of your penis?Like, that's going to work.Sometimes.So you, you, you ask about the phone.Simply put, it's a disaster.Whenever technology comes into an industry, it consolidates it.Mating has been consolidated.worst way. 50 men on Tinder, 50 women, 46 of the women show all of their attention to just
37:43four men, leaving 46 men pursuing just four women. If mating was a country, it would be moreunequal than Venezuela. We have huge mating inequality. And here's the problem. When people don't gettogether and there's no pheromones and there's no vibe, women, and we don't like to say this on theleft, primarily try and make very quick assumptions about this individual's ability to garnerresources in the future.So what you have is this concentration of interestand you're ending up with Porsche polygamy,where 10% of the men get 90% of the attention,
38:13which does not lead to good behavioror form long-term relationships.E-commerce was disastrous for retail.Social media was disastrous for everybody.Online dating is disastrous for mating and for men.It's terrible.And you can follow him on.Professor Galloway, on it.
38:35I'm sure glad I'll be able to garner resources in the future.Have you ever been doing it?Have you ever used a dating app?No, never. I wouldn'tknow how. I wouldn't want to.Swipe the wrong way. It's a bit of disaster.Well, first of all,they'll catch you doing it.
38:54Right?I mean, and also, it's, I wouldn't believewhat people look like. I don't understand whythis is even a thing. It's likeinviting yourselfto be fooled, and you saidpheromones, is that what it is?Like when you smell somebody?
39:10Vib. Humor.Right.Eye contact.You're funny.Whatever it might be.And let's just not talk about men.The phone has been a disaster from women.About 2013.
39:23About 2013, all of a sudden, self-cutting and self-harm amends into hospitals,not self-reporting, but actual hospital admissions,has gone up about 80% since social media when on mobile.Imagine being presented with your full self as a 13-year-old girl 24-by-7.So I'd rather give my 15-year-old daughter a bottle of jack and weed than put her on Instagram.So speaking of social media, I don't know if you saw it, the new I watch came out this week,and it's like apps where you can tell you, oh, there it is, like when you're ovulating,we'll show up on your phone.
40:03It'll tell you, like, if you're getting into an accident, if you get into an accident,it'll alert, call the cops right away.These are not the only new apps on the phone.Would you like to see what they have on the watch now?They have one.There's some crazy shit out there.There's something on this new I watch.Remind Stoners what they were just talking about.
40:25Look at this one.Automatically skips all the songs in a playlistthat remind you of your first husband.This one automatically changes your pronouns every 90 daysso you can remain perpetually offended.Wow.This one keeps a database of which Nicholas Cage movies are ironic.ironically bad and which ones are just bad, bad.
40:56This alerts your waiter to when you're telling a storyso we can come over and ask you how everything is tastingjust when you get to the punchline.This one can scan any tattooand tell you exactly where a woman's parents failed.Fart Shazam.All right you to Shazam any fart to find out who did it.I think that's...
41:28And this one alerts you when Canadadoes something that makes you say,damn, Canada, you are supposed to...to be the normal country.All right.So, I want togo back to something you bothtouched on.
41:44Labor Daywas Monday, and you were talking aboutpeople not going to work anymore, andwe were also talking about how the Queenwent to work for 70 years,never complaining, went to thecastle every day,all 2,800 rooms.
42:00It was a...What a tough job. Butthere's this new thingcalled quiet quitting.And I read this week Gallup poll.50% of peoplein this country are quiet quitting.If you haven't heard the term, I was explaining it to
42:14somebody who hadn't the other day.And I was saying it just means you do the minimumof what you have to do at workjust to keep your job.Some people like it.And this person said to me,that makes a lot of senseto me because of the way I've noticed
42:32customer service has gone downin the last few years.And I thought, yeah, quiet quitting.It sounds like this noble crusadewere quiet quitting. But really, what aboutthe person on the other side of the counter?You're just fucking them. You're fuckingyour fellow citizen because you're not doing your
42:48job. I've noticed a lotof quiet quitting, too. When I travel,you notice. Hotel, a lot of quiet quitting.Not the maids. They keep doing their job.It's the asshole with the college degreeat the front desk.Yeah, there's some mixed data on it.because supposedly young people are just as engaged as they were before,
43:10but I think work from home is a disaster from young people.And be clear, if your job can be moved to Boulder, it can be moved to Bangalore.And if you want to quiet quit, you're going to be loudly unemployed for a long time.Let me just sound, let me, that gets applause.Anyways, let me just, let me just be very boomerish here,because I like to talk about what it means when you're 20s and 30s.if you expect to be in the top median in this country,America becomes more like itself every day.
43:43It's a great place.If you're wealthy, it's a rapacious, ugly place if you don't have money.And if you want money in an increasingly competitive economy,I have just only one piece of advice.Work your ass off.Because they will figure it out.And one of the most successful companies in the world is Accenture.And Accenture is basically targeting companies
44:05that have big work from home cultures.And they come in and say,we got an idea. It's called work from Hyderabad,and we're going to start outsourcing all of these jobs.That's an end-due, right?Work from home, quiet quitting, whatever you want to call it.There's no such thing as balance.You can have everything. You just can't have it at once.
44:21The reason we have balance, I'm going to go out on a limb-air,is we worked our damn asses off.And you know what?It gets harder and harder every year for young people.But don't kid yourself.Jay-Z followed his passion.Assume you are not Jay-Z.Get in the office, work your ass off.
44:37I would add that there's been two big events over the last a few years.One's been commented on, and one hasn't.Commented one is COVID.People have worked from home.The relationship to their job is just different.You found out what you could do from a...Did you really need to live close to New York City, or could you move to Nashville?You know, a lot of people kind of shook up the snow globe when it came to that.
44:58So that changes their approach.I think some of the data probably is reflecting that as much as it's reflecting anything else.People are just sort of rethinking where do I live and why.But then the other thing that doesn't get talked aboutbecause we have such stupid politics about immigrationin this country, we have choked off immigration,legal immigration in this country over the last five years.Both presidents. Donald Trump started it,
45:19started it very, very hard, especially at the end of his term.Joe Biden has continued quite a lot of it.We don't have enough legal visas.The hardest working sons of bitches in this countryall the time are immigrants.And they also create jobs.If you look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics,of what is the cohort
45:38hived off that works the most?Hispanics, right?We need more Hispanics in this country.Those people are not going...If you go down to the Home Depot,you're not going to see Chad and Tylerout in front of there.That's not it, right?
45:54We need people who are going to do that and other things.Got to wrap it up there.Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you, Gross.Time for new rules.We'll grow out after the show.Okay. New Rule, Timothy Shalame and Harry Stiles have to tell us if they also go to the bathroom together.Check that new rule. Timothy Shalomey and Harry Stiles shouldn't tell us if they go to the bathroom together, because I don't care.I know you guys think your gender bending is blowing everybody's mind, but just so you know, this picture was taken in 1973.
46:34New Rule, stop sending me junk mail, marked the favor of your reply is requesting.Does this Jane Austen-Stick actually work on people?Oh, look, an epistle has arrived.Perhaps it's an invitation to Lady Astor's Garden Party.Oh, no, it's just an offer on bath and bodyworks trying to sell me an ass-washing mint.New World, someone has to tell artist Amanda Booth, who has taken the slang term pearl necklace very seriously, and says she will actuallymake a necklace out of your semen if you send it to her in the mail?Thanks, I'm good.
47:28Very real.First, I don't know if my aim is good enough to get it in the envelope.And if you thought a paper cut on your finger was painful.In the wokeness is a worldwide phenomenon category.New rule, someone has to tell the owners of Australia's Club 77, whose new zero-tolerancepolicy, deploys safety officers to remove people who stare oror talk to you without first getting verbal consent,you are giant pussies who've forgotten what a nightclub is.
48:11Let me remind you,it's a place where men go to try and get laid,and women go to dance with their friends,and pretend they're not trying to get laid.New Rule, get a room.Someone has to remind this couple engaging in oral sexin the upper deck of an Oakland A's game.There are families present.
48:36No dad should be forced to have that embarrassing,in conversation where his kid asks,Dad, what's she doing? And he has to say,honestly, son, I can't remember.And finally, new rule,someone has to tell me why the same filmcritics who find every moviesomehow lacking in woke credentials
49:01are all in on Top Gun Maverick.A two-hour propaganda ad for defensecontractors, militaristicjingoism, and bombing foreigners.Every other movie that comes out,all of which are made by liberals,four liberals, with ardent,liberal intent
49:18falls short. If the movie is aboutpoverty, the director didn't growpoor enough to understand it.If it's about being gay, it'snot gay enough. Asian,not Asian enough.Female, not enough agency.Race, don't even
49:37try. Sidelining,whitewashing,colorism, whitesaviourism. No amountof virtue signaling is ever virtuousenough. But somehow,96% of film criticslove top gun like a Catholic priest
49:53loves sleepaway camp.And look, I liked it too.It's fun. It's nostalgic.And Tom Cruise has been such an ageless,reliably entertaining movie starfor so long, it sometimes makes me think,Jesus Christ, is there something to Scientology?But if you're a film critic
50:28and you've been making your life's missionto root out the insufficientlyliberal in cinema. Did you not noticethat Top Gun is a lot aboutmaking war-mongering sexy again?The weaponsporn. The endlessmoney shots of engines
50:43burning jet fuel. The bigdick energy.The aircraft carriersdancing in the sumptuous oilyhaze all to the manlymacho-masculent soundsof Kenny Loggin?Did you know that if the U.S. military
51:08We're a country.Its fuel usage alonewould make it the 47th largest emitterof greenhouse gases in the world.Our military is the world'ssingle largest consumer of petroleum.It spews so much smogyou can barely see the highway to the danger zone.
51:29Think about thatthe next time you're watching a flyover,how we're destroying the world to protect it.Top Gun pretends our best fighteris still the FAA.but we've spent 1.5 trillion on the F-35,which has never worked and never will,and yet we still buy it.
51:47It's the Hugo of fighter jets.There is nothing more bloated and corruptthan the Pentagon budget.We conflate...You may.We conflate defense with defense contractors.That's why their budget is $800 billion,more than the next nine countries combined.
52:19In 2003, it was $378 billion.Somehow, we took two wars off the books,but now need to spend twice as much?And on fighting who?In Top Gun, the enemy is just called the enemy.We don't name them.We never see their faces.We don't hear them talk.
52:41Who are they?That's not important.We don't know who we're bombing, and we don't care.We're bombing someone?Awesome.You had me at America?Fuck, yeah.Whose ass we are kicking is on a need to no basis.
53:09God bless America and death to whom it may concern.Sorry, enemy.It's not about you. It's about us.We have Tom Cruise and you don't.This is a dick measuring contest.It doesn't really matter who owns the other dickas long as ours is longer.It's just so ridiculous.
53:33The enemy.It's like having a movie called Godzilla versus None of Your Business.And that's on purpose.The people who made this movie understood that we as a nation right noware just too fractured to even have a common enemy that we can all agree on.So they left it up to our imagination.Who do you hate?Put them in there.
54:00You would think that for a nation like us, it's been around a whileand been through some shit together,it wouldn't be this hard to agree on a mutual bad guy?It used to be Russia and still could be,but then Republicans started showing upand I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat T-shirtsand siding with Putin.And liberals, you couldn't have the enemy be an Arab country.
54:27That would be Islamophobic.Can't be an Asian country because that would be racist.Next, you'll be blaming China for COVID.That's right.Not even a pandemic could unite us.COVID couldn't do it.Russia could do it.couldn't do it. China couldn't do it. Not even Amber Heard could do it.
54:59You know, the old cliche has always been that if Martians attacked, it would be the one thingthat brings the whole world together. Now, I don't think it would even bring Americans together.The Martians could blow up the White House like an Independence Day and half the country would becheering in the streets. When they said, take us to your leader, we'd start killing each otherover who that is.giant robotic tripodscould be vaporizing New Jerseyand Republicans would say
55:28this is what happens in Biden's Americait never happened when Trump was in officeand Democrats would point outhow the death lasers were disproportionatelyaffecting low-income communitiesand people of colorand AOC would tweetstop demonizing the Martian X community
55:48Alex Jones would call it a false flagoperation and accused the people whose heads were melted off of being crisis actors.Marjorie Taylor Green would criticize the Jews for not using their space lasers on the Martians.And Lindsey Graham would volunteer for the anal probe.All right.That's for a show.I'll be at the Chicago Theater in Chicago tomorrow, September 10th at the Uptown Theater in Kansas City on the 11th.That's the next night.
56:25And at Kleinin's Music Hall in Buffalo, October 9th.I want to thank Scott Galloway, Matt Welch, Winter's.Marcellus. Now go to YouTube and join us on overtime. Thank you, folks. You were great.Catch all new episodes of Real Time with Bill Marr every Friday night at 10 or watch them anytime on HBO on demand.For more information, log on to HBO.com.
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