Ep. #637: Alexandra Pelosi, Paul Begala, Bret Stephens
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01:27All right.Well, please stop.We have a big show, a lot of news to get to.I'm sure you know the big story.Joe Biden, our president, went to Israel this week.Nothing to do with the war.Just wanted a break from the tension in D.C.But I think this was his best.
01:50week as president, Joe Biden. This was hisI think so. His finest hour.I mean, and then he gets his ass on a plane. It can't be easy.What? He's not a young man. He rememberswhen the Dead Sea was alive.He told the wailing wall to keep it down. No, he's not a young man.But, no, he went there to give Israel an aid package.He's like the world's grandpa. He can't visit without
02:28slipping a little money. You know, just...Get some missiles. Don't tell grandma.But then he came home.He made a great speech about Israel.At the end of it, they caught this on camera.Somebody yells clear.And then somebody goes, that was great.Of course, great.
02:54The bar for great in the Biden White Houseis like if Hunter doesn't wander in with a heart on.Just to put it in perspective.But here's the thing.He wants to give all this money to Ukraine and to Israel.But we have to come from Congress.Congress, and we don't have one.The House of Representatives, I'm sure you've known this, for the last 17 days, remains paralyzed
03:25from the neck up.The Republicans control the House.They want to elect this guy, Jim Jordan.Do you know Jim Jordan?He's from Ohio, former Jim teacher.I call him Jim Jordan.And he's a, he's what you call an insurrectionist, insurrectionist.You know, he's not really.
03:53an indoor Republican, which is troublingto some of them, because he sends womenrunning to the other party.He's an electiondenier, a conspiracy theorist,and a creep.Or as Matt Gates calls him,Dad?
04:16See, the problem with the Republicansis they have just enoughcrazy Republicans to keep the sane personfrom getting the job, and just enoughsane to keep the crazy people from gettingthe job.Ironically, they have a mexist.can standoff in the Republican Party.
04:40Meanwhile, the aid for the poor people struggling in Gazacan't get in because on the Egyptian side,they have blocked that border.It is completely sealed off.Nothing gets in.Little advice?Bring in a family from Venezuela.They'll show you how to get in.
04:57But can we just pause for a moment?I know things are shitty in the world,and they will be for a while.probably forever.But how would this happenthree or four years ago? Trump would have gone over toIsrael and thrown paper towels at thesepeople. Yeah.
05:22A lot of his henchmen are getting rolledup now. Sidney Powell, one of hislawyers who was denying the election left and right.The Georgia trial, she justgot, listen to this. She gotprobation. What agreat system we have. The same punishmentfor stealing an election as for stealing
05:39sneakers.All right, not a big laugh, but, you know.Point made, point taken, people.I get it.All right.Back to reality for all of us.CVS.Do you drop at CBS?
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06:12We've got a great show.We have Paul Begala and Brett Stevens.But first up, she is a filmmaker who's newest documentary,The Insurrectionist Next Door, premiered October 15th,right here on HBO.Our friend Alexandra Pelosi is right for this.Hey, you.Way back.
06:37We go way back.Well, we go way back, and I have to say,you keep getting better.This is my favorite movie you've ever done.Thank you?Yeah, because I think we're on the same theme,which is not everybody's theme on either.but definitely the idea that we have to talk to people
06:56who don't agree with this, who are even Trumpers.I mean, it's called The Insurrectionist Next Door,and I think you're with me on this.I've been preaching this for a long time.You can hate Trump.You can't hate all the people who like them.It's half the country.And you talk to these people.
07:11You can't be, I unfriend you.Right.And they're, I mean, watch this movie, folks.They're remarkably right, likable and relatable.wouldn't you agree?They're not bad people.They may have done some stupid things.They may be a little broken,
07:31they may be a little lost,but they have a different social media feedthan you and I have.And that's what makes this country...We're at this moment.One of the people that was in the filmcalled me after.This is completely true.
07:46And he said to me,the gay Obama voter...A few of them said they voted for a bomb.Right. He called me and he said, my husband watched the movie, and he said,I'd never seen that footage of the violence in the tunnel before.Right.We're almost two years from January 6th.And there's an American who has never seen the violence at the Capitol.
08:09It's because they're on a different media feed than we are.They're not watching the same shows that we're watching.Shows. Wasn't he there?Good point.Isn't that why he's on your show?Yeah.Yeah.But I feel like the big takeaway for me was that the Democrats are obsessed with race.
08:29And this is about class, about economics.Most of them were saying, you know, I had to choose between paying the electric bill and the rent, things like that.And they blame the Democrats.That's what I don't understand.They hate your mother who gave them Obama.Where to explain that disconnect?Well, it's the forgotten man.This is FDR after the Great Depression.
08:59This is sort of these people feel left behind.This great American dream that turned out to be a little bit of a hoax or bill of goods for some.They're feeling left behind.And there are a lot of people in this country that just feel left behind.Yeah, a refrain I heard a lot from them was I just want to be heard.They feel like they're not heard.What are the Democrats doing so wrong that, I would say, you know,who is at least trying to solve these economic problems?
09:34I mean, if your issue is income inequality,it's probably the party with Elizabeth Warren,not the party with Jared Kushner that's going to try to do something about this.Why are the Democrats doing so badly?I feel like this is something you know.the answer to. This is what you've dedicated your wholeshow to. What is it? How wouldI know? I'm just talking to Jan Sixers.
09:58Well, you just made a homemovie. I mean...But I mean, this is thecrux of the movie. I mean, all thisviolence that has been threatened and visitedupon your own family.It makes no logical sense.I mean, I understand.
10:13One of the guys in the movie says,you kind of confront himafter he's sentenced. And yousay, you know, do you feel differently? He goes,What am I supposed to be a liberal now?And I get that.You know, conservative liberal, a lot of this is just a chip in your brain,and it's where you're born.
10:30And it's like, and you're not going to change them.You're not going to make someone who's a conservative or liberal,or you went to a conservative, right?That's true.Okay.But I think it's all about the social media,the way it's put everybody in their own little bubble,and it's sort of brainwashed them to believe that certain people are evil,
10:49and they've just been programmed.to hate. That's what I think it's about. On both sides, wouldn't you say? On both sides.I mean, that's sort of... I mean, look, I'm trying not to get myself canceled tonight or killed,so I'm trying to be on my best behavior.Who's gonna cancel you?Well, you know, anything you say canon will be used against you. You have a lot of trolls.Let's face it. You know what, this week...What do you give a fuck? You make your own movie.
11:25I don't want you to care about that.I don't want you to fear.And you're not a fearful person, or you wouldn't make movies like this.Is this because you think, like, I heard, maybe this is not true, that MSNBC wouldn't have you on?Well, I'm more concerned about, you know, I did sit in ICU with my father.And I know that political violence is real.Yes.And I do, my inbox isn't...
11:49Well, that's the killed part.I get that.Right.I asked about the canceled part.Oh, the canceled part.Yeah.Well, I think that the thing about January 6th that we have to talk aboutis that on January 6th, one of the leaders of the proud boys sent a message to his brothers on telegram
12:07that said, today we're going to get the normies to burn the city to ash today.So who are the normies?Okay, that's what this movie is about.Who are the normies that we were using?Right.And so that's really what I was trying to focus on.And my whole motto in this was like Abe Lincoln.Charity towards all, malice towards none.
12:27Yeah, and that gets through.My estimation of this, I think there were people there who absolutely went therefor the purpose of doing what they did, taking over that capital.Everybody in your movie is not those people.They all say, first of all, they regret that it turned into.It's a scary comment on mom mentality, because they didn't even think,I think they were going to break into the Capitol.They just went for this big event.
12:50It was almost like, remember when Woodstock became a free concert?You know, like, really, at one point, they were trying to make money from this thing,and then they broke the fence out of the, oh, fuck it, it's a whole different thing now.And that's what it became.A lot of them said, I didn't know we were going to break into the Capitol, but I was there,who can resist that?I mean, I got to, you know.So they weren't expecting to do that, the people in your movie, right?
13:18Right, no.I think they got carried away in the heat of the moment.Ronnie Sandlin, one of the main ones that took five and a half years for assaulting an officer,sent me two books from jail.And one was the crowd and one was the true believer.Two books you should read if you want to try and understand the mentality of a Jan Sixer of what happened that day.But I think just in general it's important that we're making a distinction that of the 1,100 people that got arrested so far.Probably 3,000 people went into capital.
13:43Over 1,000 have been arrested.There have been a lot of misdemeanors.Everyone in my film pled guilty to a misdemeanor.There's one felony.But the idea is we can't paint them all with the same brush.And that's what I feel like we've been doing.If you watch MSNBC, they're all domestic terrorists.If you watch Fox News, they're all tourists that just happen to be.
14:05Yeah, sure.But one thing almost all of them do is own it.You try to get them all to turn on Trump, right?You say, don't you feel bad that he kind of led you into this?And I found that was very noble, even though I don't agree with what they did, of course.the fact that they wouldn't shuckresponsibility onto somebody else.They were like, no, I made this decision.
14:36He didn't make me do it.I went. I find that likegood red state something.Right.And that brings us back to the original pointthat you were making, which isthese are our fellow countrymenthat will be voting in the next election
14:52and they're willing to driveacross the country to participatein an insurrection because they believeso, so,strongly. And their candidateso far will be back on theballot unless he ends up in jail.So we have to open the
15:07conversation. The prescription isthat everybody at Thanksgiving should sit nextto their Trumpy uncle. We all have thatTrumpy uncle. You know who he is.And we should open the conversation. We should actuallytry to listen to each other.Right. I agree.Yes.
15:23So, okay.One of them, final question.One of them says he's going to run for Congress now.right in your movie and he says and you say why and he saidI want to make New Hampshire normal againNew Hampshire's never been normalwhen was New Hampshire normal? But what do you think he means by that?What is not normal looking to them
15:45that would be normal? And again these are peoplethey would surprise you they're not all I'm most of the people in theattack were white and a lot of them were former cops and militarybut in your movie you show I mean there's gay there's Obama votersthey're not all white, they're Latina.So, you know, it's not as easy as all that.What is not normal, do you think, to them?What is you going to do to make New Hampshire normal?
16:09Well, I mean, I think that it's clear that this country has taken a really dark turn.I'd say, past the Trump presidency and COVID.I think if we never had COVID, we probably never would have had January 6th.Because people just got sort of, they were stuck at home with a lot of free time,and they went down that wormhole.And I think that it messed up a lot of people's worldview.And I think so he's talking about let's try to bring it back to a pre, like toxic.I mean, don't you think the political landscape in this country is insanely toxic?
16:43Oh, yeah.And I tend to talk about it on the panel.It's a great work.Really, congratulations.You do.Oh, give me it.Say hello to your mother for me.All right, love you too.
16:54Thank you.Let's meet our panel.Here's a columnist for the president.the New York Times, our friend Brett Stevens is back with us, our returning champion.And he is a Democratic strategist and a CNN political contributor, Paul Bagawa.So, obviously, we're going to start off with Israel.As big events overseas often do, they kind of shed light and give clarity to what's going on here at home and how people think.A lot of people in the last week, maybe they saw the show, maybe, I don't know,
17:38but they emailed me or texted me and said, yeah, Bill, what happened?the liberals, you know, just so much siding with people against Israel, which never used to bethe liberal position. So the kids, let me talk to the kids for a second, who may not knowwhat a sister-soldier moment is. Because if you're 30 years old, you were still weren't bornwhen that happened. I think that was 92, right? You were in that campaign. I wrote that speech.You wrote that speech? I did. Okay. Sister Soldier was a rapper who was, was,reacting to a racist event and said, maybe we should have a week where we just kill white people.In a press conference, no. In a press conference, not in her art or her music, which is hers to do
18:23whatever she wants. At a press conference, she said, well, why don't we just have a week where we killwhite people? Right. Well, and the point is that Clinton stood up and said, no, we, that's right.The fact that this, you know, it passes for bravery, it seems crazy now.But the idea that you stand up against the fringe of your party,against your own party,and this has been called a sister-soldier moment.Obama did it with Reverend Wright.That was a sister-soldier moment.
18:52I feel like this is a great moment for the Democrats to do that.It seems to be how they win elections and do wellwhen they have a moment like this,and I feel like this Israel moment is great time to take back the center.It's absolutely.It's the white,It's the right political strategy, but it's the right political morality.This is not even just an incendiary comment.
19:15The savagery there, and I want to get us too depressed, but it was so monstrous.I've got friends there.I've worked in Israel.1,400 Israelis were slaughtered by Hamas.Two weeks later, they've still not identified 400 of the bodies.That's how savagely mutilated they were.and they have DNA and they have doctors.So this is the worst thing ever.
19:40And if you can't stand up and say thatslaughtering, innocent children, women, civilians,Holocaust survivors is wrong.And there's something wrong with you.And I do think, look, it is the liberal position to be for Israel.It is.Where would you rather be gay?Tel Aviv or Tehran?
19:59Right here in West Hollywood.No, I would want to be gay.Environmentalist.But, you know, Paul, there was almost a second worst moment.A day after the slaughter on October 8th, there was a rally in Times Square.It wasn't pro-Palestinian, it was pro-Hamas.And I went and visited it because I wanted to see it.Looking at the faces at that protest, they were euphoric.
20:27It was like Argentina, after its team had won the World Cup.They were celebrating the slaughter of Jews.And these are people who call themselves, identify themselves as progressives.In fact, they're totalitarians.They think that they're on the side of tolerance.In fact, they are anti-Semites.And this was a moment when I think the world saw that just as there's a real right-winganti-Semitism that we saw in Charlottesville, there is a real left-wing anti-Semitism.
20:57And it's good.It's, I feel fortunate that you have a president who is calling that out and opposing itthe way he is. Yes, I feel like we saw a shift.I feel like for the longest timewe've had this view, and it's from both parties, like, oh, it's a tragic situationover there, but both of them have a good case. Well, both of them have a case.I would say Israel has always had a better case.It's different. There's a lot of moral equivalencies thrown around
21:27that are not deserving. And now I feel like Biden, this week,kind of made the case. No. No. No.This is not equivalent.Both sides don't do the same thing.Both sides don't have the same values.And Nikki Haley, in the Republican Party, I feel is the one who is doing this.She is.Of course, Donald Trump attacked the Prime Minister of Israel and the defense minister of Israel and praised Hamas.
21:51He said they were really smart.Hizbollah, but...Oh, he said Hizbollah.Forgive me.The other terrorist group.Another nice bunch of guys, right?But I will say, President Biden's press secretary slapped this down on behalf of the president.She said, we believe they are wrong, these comments, they're wrong, we believe they're repugnant, we believe they're disgraceful,
22:10there are not two sides here, says the president's spokeswoman, Korean-Jeampier.She's right.And that is a far cry from very fine people on both sides, like Trump said after Charlottesville, where the neo-Nazis were marching.But I want to ask about this Nikki Haley thing, because she's having a moment.Now, as we know, the Republicans, they do like to flirt during primary season, right, so you never know.One goes, but I feel like something is coalescing around her being the anti-Trump,like if there is ever a chance for an indoor Republican, a paper-trained Republican,to get back in the game.
22:52And as a...Right, and it would be wonderful to see Chris Christie, Mike Pence, and every non-serious contenderjust drop out and endorse her right away.That only gets her in the polls to about 41 percent.But at least it's not Gulliver against the Lilliputians.I think she's the only credible Republican that anyone probably in this room could stomach as the President of the United States.Okay, so let me ask you this as a strategist.I feel like this should get a lot more press.
23:24There is one group of politicians, they're small, who are very popular in this country.Republican governors in blue states.That should tell you something about the thirst in this country for centrism.Phil Scott, never heard of him.Which is good, because he probably doesn't do stupid shit.He's the Republican governor in Vermont, very blue state.76% approval rating.These numbers you don't see?
23:59And is 76?Biden's at 37.Charlie Baker.I thought he was a jazz musician.Don't know who that is.Republican of Massachusetts,68% approval.Larry Hogan.
24:16I have heard of himbecause he made noisesabout running for president.Maryland, very blue state.77% approval.I would add, not what he was governor,but Bloomberg in New York.Was a Republican in New York City?
24:28Hello?Very Democratic.Okay.Chris Christie was pretty popularbefore the bridge.Sununu in New Hampshire.I don't know what his numbers are.He's pretty popular.
24:39Okay, so if this is the formula,if you can be in a blue state,but you're a Republican,and you're very popular, even among the Democrats.Why don't the Democrats do it?Andy Bashir, in Kentucky, is a Democratic governor.He's going to be reelected, I think, in a few weeks.Yeah.
24:55Kentucky is hard.Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania.And I think it says something, Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania.Oh, right, yes.You know, it says something that the algorithms in this country,whether they're on social media or in primaries,are all built for extremism and outrage.Yes.
25:12And the appetite in this country is for something.sane and towards the center.And Republicans or Democrats who can move to the center are actually going to win elections.That's the way to win.Laura Kelly is the governor of Kansas.She's a Democrat.She's reelected.She's in her second term in a state where, like, they hunt Democrats down with dogs.
25:33Yet she wins.And her side, the pro-choice side, went a landslide referendum on the pro-choice questionin her state because of that very reason.The Kansasans believed that the previous Republican governor had gone too extreme.They wanted somebody moderate and centrist.She is.And so it does work.I like red state Democrats
25:50and blue state Republicans.It's a good way to actually learn how to run the whole country.So can Nikki Haley do this on a national level?That's my question.Yeah, but the problem is that she has to get over the cult of Trump.And the Republican Party used to be a partythat wanted to win elections.And now it's a cult that wants to glorify its Messiah,
26:10whether he wins or loses.So that's the essence of the problem.If you look at the data, if you look at the data, Nikki Haley is their strongest candidate against Biden.Right? Biden and Trump are largely tied.Nikki is leading Biden by like seven, nine in some polls, right?So she's clearly their strongest candidate.Here's the real world problem.If somehow she beats Trump, do you really think Trump is going to do like Hillary did for Barack?
26:36And just like, let's link arms and march off together one team.He will burn it down.He tried to burn the capital when he lost the last election.he will destroy her and his partyif somehow he does not get the nominationbecause he's a narcissist.It's a cult.So poor Nikki, even if she wins,
26:54Trump will take her down.Well, what can we do to help?Reelect Biden.Well, I think that's...It's the only option.That's part of the problem because Nikki Haleyis ahead of President Biden,lots of polls, but here's what's terrifying.
27:13I just looked at recent polls.Trump is ahead of...Biden in Arizona. He's ahead of Biden in Georgia. He's ahead of Biden in other states that Biden won,which allowed him to take the election. So a lot of Republicans are saying, even with Trump,we can win against such a weak incumbent. And I just wrote a column, this was Biden's finest hour.I have nothing but respect for genuine statesmanship at this moment. But my fear is that theDemocrats simply haven't come to grips with the fact that the president is a weakcandidate who appears to many Americans
27:47for all of his virtues to be feeble.I've made the same case.I think he can...This week showed, what I said three weeks ago,he can do the job.I have no doubt he can do the job.I just don't think he can win the job.Perception becomes reality.
28:02They think he's too old.I saw him on 60 minutes.I thought what he said was great,but he was falling asleep.He did.Who's this lady in Kansas?Laura Kelly.Can we run her?
28:14Kansas.There's a guy in Pennsylvania?Josh Shapiro.Let's run him.Gretchen Whitner.Who's the other guy in...I will say...The sheer in Kentucky.
28:23Bishir.There's lots of Democrats.Sold.Bishir.Bishir Kelly.Biden...Biden just went into a war zonein the most dangerous and difficult thing.
28:36Pulled it off perfectly.Came home, gave the greatest speech of his life.I actually think he can go to Michiganand talk to the machinists.If you can go to Israel and negotiate...Yeah, but he can.I think Democrats are caught in his spine where they're thinking,well, we can't have a primary challenge to Biden
28:50because every time that's happened to an incumbent presidentbefore they've lost, it happened to George H.W. Bush,it happened to Jimmy Carter.It happens to Lyndon Johnson and so on.So that's the thinking.So the real question is, what can you, Paul, do to quietly persuade the presidentto march into history with his honor intact?We will praise him.
29:11We will build statues for him.and move on.Right.Your old boyfriend,James Carville told me,he said...We are partners, but not in that sense.Okay.
29:23I use that word.He told meany Democrat,any centrist Democrat,who's not old,gets 55% of the vote,which is a landslide in this country.And if you really want to shit your pants,
29:39Emerson poll today,Trump is winningamong under 30.Yeah, that's what I do.under 30.And yet, the polls are terrible for Biden.Every time we actuallyrun a race to the Democrat wins, there have been 27
29:56special elections. Specials, where usuallyturnouts low and it hurts Democrats, Democratshave won 21 of them.Here's a reality.I think a lot of Democrats,including those who really admire Biden, have toconfront, which is, if you ask manyAmericans, were you better off in 2019
30:12the last full year of the Trump presidency beforeCOVID, or today,they're going to say 2019, because they'regroceries didn't cost as much money, their gas didn't cost as much money,mortgage rates weren't as high.That's just a political fact that Democrats are not getting their arms around.And I hear them say, well, inflation is coming down, for example.Yes, but it went way up and now it's tapering.
30:36It's not actually falling.That's a real problem.Well, and also, and I think I read this in your column,it's chicken, gas, meat, something else that, eggs.Yeah.Like the things that people actually buy every week,those didn't come down.Not to mention rent.
30:58The rent is too damn high.The rent is too damn high, exactly.All right, let me switch gears for a second.This story caught my eye.Two weeks ago, a 28-year-old teacher in Missouri was fired.There she is, because she was on OnlyFans.And speaking of the economy and how bad it is,and inflation.
31:22You know that with the cost of livingand inflation and all this stuff, this is not the firstteacher who's going to get caught being on only fans.I mean, people have to make ends meet.So we put together a few tips for how you knowyour teacher is on only fans.For example, she's wearingthe same schoolgirl outfit as the students.
31:46Storytime always involves a pizza deliveryguy.When you ask for a hall pass,she gives you permission and have sex with another teacher.The class pet is a gerbil, and she takes it home every night.These are tips.I'm just giving you...When you ask for extra credit, she tells you it's $6.99 a month.
32:28When you ask her what you're going to learn in history,she says, how to delete it.The guest speaker on Career Day is Bella Thorne.And on parent-teacher night,All the dads say, don't I know you from somewhere?One more thing about the Republic.I ask about this Jim Jordan guy, because he, okay, I know.I know.
33:12People should not normalize this guy.There he is.The guy who will not wear a jacket.A former Jim teacher.Okay.So was the most prolific conspiracyelection spreader on Fox Newsafter the election and before the January 6 events?
33:30January 6th report says he was a significant player.Player.You're a player there, Jim Jordan.Urged Mike Pence to do the wrong thingand not tabulate the votes as his job required.Led the floor vote of the 147 Republicans.147 Republicans voted basically not to certify that election.Now almost 200 voted for him, even though he didn't get the job.
33:57So the problem is getting worse in Congress.Now 200 Republicans are voting for the guy who most of any of them does not believe in election.Sure. We had a Jim Jordan problem. Now we have a Jim Jones problem, which is the entire party drank the Kool-Aid.All right. So here's the positive side of this, I think. I was learning this from Alexander in her movie.1,100 people have been arrested from the January 6th rights. 300 went to jail.Today we found out KennethCheesboro.Anyway, he was the chief architect of Trump's
34:37steal the election, the fake elector plan.He pled guilty in Georgia, in the Georgia case.Sidney Powell, I mentioned in the monologue.Sidney Powell actually had a quote like,no rational person would ever believe what I said was trueabout what she had said in court.I mean, that's not the exact quote, but it's very close.Other cronies who have found guilty or pled guilty,
34:59guilty, three Trump lawyers, the CFO of his company, his chief campaign strategist, his campaignchairman, the deputy campaign chairman, his national security advisor.Yeah, it's all falling apart, but somehow we are still putting the bad guys away.It doesn't get a lot of press, but this is a lot of people who paid the price for doing thewrong thing.Maybe we're not completely done yet.Those prosecutors, those judges, those clerks all have to have security.Because Mr. Trump is calling down violence on that.
35:36I thought Alexander was really powerful on this.They're calling down violence on people who are just doing their jobs.And that's appalling.But they are doing their jobs, and justice is being done.I did talk to friends of mine who are lawyers in Georgia, real lawyers.And this is not good for Mr. Well, I am a lawyer, but I'm not going to play one on TV.I would not hire me if I needed a lawyer.But this is terrible for Donald Trump.
36:02Well, hang on a second.I mean, there is this reality, again, that it's horrible to think about,but with every successive prosecution, his numbers have gone up.And that's a comment on the country.I think the guy belongs in jail.But every time the justice train moves,His supporters are digging in their heels.And for a lot of people who are kind of in the middle,
36:30it suddenly turns into kind of a white noisebecause it's so hard to keep count of all of the charges.Ultimately, the only way I think he slay this beastis in an election or in the primary.But it's also very much possible, I think,and I don't think they'll ever send him to jail,but I think he could get house arrest at Mar-a-Lagoand be the president at the same time.
36:52And run this world from an orange jumpsuit.Well, yeah.No, not at all.But he's not an unrealistic scenario.And he's already got all the classified documents there.So.Right.He wouldn't have to move everything.
37:07He wouldn't even have to leave his bathroom.Right.Exactly.Because you don't ever really convince anybody.I mean, that's the case.Now, I don't want to get you in trouble with the people who write your paycheck.But the New York Times is the story somewhat this week because they put out a headline.Israeli strike the horrible.
37:26happening at the hospital, the hospital in Gaza was blown up.I'm not quite sure why this is quite the scandal they think it is,but I agree.It's a terrible headline.Israeli strike kills hundreds in hospital.Palestinian say.That was the headline.I feel like putting Palestinian say at the end of it saves their bacon a little bit.
37:49It's kind of, I mean, you could interpret that like Palestinians say.But I agree.It's terrible to just put the first.part, Israeli strike kills hundreds when we know now it did not?So without trying to get myself in trouble with my employer, I have been covering this storyfor 25 years. I was editor-in-chief of the Jerusalem Post. The media has a real problem there,because when they cover Palestinian issues, they are covering an authoritarian society where peoplelive in fear of telling the truth. So everything that comes out of it has to be checked,
38:29double-checked, and triple-checked. When you're talking about Palestinians in this case,you're actually talking about Hamas. Every time health authorities are mentioned in Gaza,it's not like the FDA showed up or something, or the Red Cross. It's Hamas. And this goes tothe basic difference between what we have on the Israeli side and the Palestinian side, on theIsraeli side, for all of its problems, it is an open democratic society. Journalists do not live infear that the government is going to hurt them for what they report. When you're writing about thePalestinians, they are living in fear. So think of it, it's not the same, but to some extent,it's like reporting from North Korea or South Korea. Everything that comes out of North Korea has to be
39:12treated with a major, massive amount of skepticism. And things that are coming out of Israel are likelytrue because it kind of resembles the society we have here.Right.And no disrespect to your paper, but when I saw all the people who were so exercised about this,I just wanted to say, do you really think it matters?Do you think anybody gives a damn that the New York Times said this or it'll change anything?I saw this poll.Only 32% of American kids, 18 to 29, think the attack deliberately targeted civilians.
39:50they went house to house.You can go anywhere on the internetand just find the answer you want.It's like a Yakov-Schmernov line.You know, story doesn't find you.You find story.Well, again, I think this Alexandermade a really important point.
40:09Too many Americans are prisonersof the algorithm of their social media feed.They think they're going online to learn things.They're not.They're going online to be poisonedby these algorithms that are shovingbullshit into them for money.They are.
40:24Confirmation bias is a big part of it.The algorithm figures out what triggers your amygdala.You know, it's also the case.All of these kids have been raised on one value,which is tolerance.They've gotten it from grade school all the way through college.And here we have the single greatest massacre of Jewssince the Holocaust,
40:42and it's like, oh, it's a complicated situation in the Middle East.Actually, in this case, it's not a complicated situation in the Middle East.people were slaughtered and the tolerance brigadescouldn't bring themselves to say hardly a word about itbefore equivocating or supporting the other.So this coming war that Israel is going to have,they say they have to wipe out Hamas now.What does it look like?
41:08And what should it look like?Well, what it looks like, I don't know,because tomorrow it could be a war with Hezbollah.It could be a war with Iran.What it should look like is I don't thinkany Israeli government, leaving Netanyahu's side,any Israeli government after what happened,can leave anyone in any position of authority
41:28or five levels down in Hamas standing.And by way, that's not just the Israeli interest,it's the Palestinian interest,because there is no way any rational Israeli leaderwould allow a Palestinian state to come into beingif it's going to be another Hamas stop.Why would any Israeli...Any Israeli says and say,
41:47oh, if you liked what happened in Gaza,Let's try that on the West Bank.So part of getting rid of Hamas is actually making it possible to have a Palestinian state.But it's getting rid of Hamas, I don't get it.I don't know how you do that.I don't know how you get rid of...I can tell you.Remember ISIS? 10 years ago, all we could talk about was ISIS.
42:09Where is ISIS?It's in a lot of places around the world.It's in a few isolated pockets, but you don't find it in Mosul, you don't find it in northern Syria.It was wiped out.And Hamas is not so different.You can call yourself Hezbollah. You can call yourself Hamas. You can call yourself ISIS. You can call yourself Al-Qaeda. You can call yourself the Taliban. It's the same assholes. Okay. So they change the names and they change the signs. But, Bill, you can call yourself the Bolsheviks. You can call yourself the Nazis. You can call yourself Al-Qaeda and ISIS. I'm glad we got rid of them. And if another generation has to do the job over again, I'll leave that to the next generation. Our job is to get rid of these guys.How?So that's a ground war.
42:53So that's you're sending troops into this territory that is incredibly hostile.Look, I think it's foolish for me to sit here and offer tactical military advice to the Israelis.They've thought about this.This is what they want you to do.They thought about this for a long, well, maybe.But the other thing they don't want is to get wiped out by an Israeli army.It's a trap.It's, they, I feel like they did.
43:18this on purpose, just like 9-11 was a trap, to get us to overreact, and then you draw them in,and then they attack from the north with Hezbollah. Now you're fighting a true front war.Israel's not big enough. They don't have enough people to fight a war like that.Israel has fought two and three and four-front wars in the past. They can fight one again.Yeah, I guess it could. I do think that President Biden has been pitch-perfect. He's beencompletely supportive of Israel and has said to them, we went through 9-11 and we freaked.He voted for the Iraq war, which is a colossal mistake. It was a debacle that he voted for.But he has learned from that, and he wants Israel to learn from his mistakes.
43:56You know, this is why he should lean into the age thing. With age comes experience, with experience,comes wisdom, and wisdom matters in this job. He should lean into it.He can do the job?But not too much.But can Israel do the job? We never thought this would happen in Israel.I mean, did you see that 60 Minutes piece about the grandfather who comes to save his kid?I know the family.You know that family?
44:21I know that family.Wow.Okay, so if you didn't see it, it's a millennial family, and they're trapped.Nobody's coming for help.Hundreds of Hamas fighters got into the country.They're going house-to-house-killing people.Calls his grandfather.You know, okay, boomer.
44:36Yeah, we're the terrible generation, but this granddad gets in his car,fucking kills a bunch of terrorists, and saves the kids.Yeah, it's like having Liam Lee and his dad.But, like, he gets to these checkpoints, and,The Israeli guards at the checkpoint, they're not going to help.They won't let him in.When did the Israeli defense force become the Evaldi Police Department?Listen, in the life of every country, countries take punches in the face and get knocked down on their ass.
45:04It has happened to us.It has happened to other great countries.And the mark of great countries is they stand up and they fight back.And I think the Israelis will do it again.They definitely have to do that.I just don't know about taking over the whole country of Gaza.I do think it's remarkable that they haven't invaded yet.Well, they're getting ready.
45:21It takes planning.It does.But the righteous anger is, for me as an American, it's actually unimaginable how outraged Israelis are.And the discipline they're showing is pretty impressive.Yeah, 1,300 Israelis is the equivalent of about 48,000 Americans.Their discipline is always impressive.And they never get any credit for it.They're the only country in the world that is asked to restrain.
45:46Yes. All right. My final question, Biden, in the 60 Minutes piece, he was asked a question about this,and he said, can we do it? Can we afford this? And he went, were the United States, for God's sakes.The United States, are we still?Yeah.Easily. We still can handle all this.Yeah. And you know something, what I think shows, we were talking about all those centrist governors.There is a heart in this country that has not completely lost its effing mind.And I think it shows when you ask Americans, whose side are you on,
46:21these Israelis or the Palestinians, overwhelming majorities of Americans are answering the right way.We just haven't figured out how to get rid of these shackles,which is social media, a crazy primary system,and a crazy religious cult that is the Republican Party.But every 50 years or so, America is in the dumps.I'd say in the mid-1970s, through Watergate and Vietnam, we were there.We have pulled ourselves back up, and it's nice to have a president.It's great to have a president who has it within him to summon what someone said were the better angels of our names.
46:59Amen. Let's end it there. Thank you, guys. All right. Time for new rules.Okay, new rule. Now that they're selling a human dog bed, I say, for...I say if you're going to sleep in it, you also have to shit in the yard and drink out of the toilet.Look, I get adults who don't want to grow up,but this move doesn't say sleeping on the floorhas never been so comfortable.It says, Mommy drinks tequila while the kids are at school.New Rule, those ads trying to convince us
47:47that AI is going to be awesomehave to sound less like they were produced by AIto keep us from resisting.Together, we can leverage the power of AIto transform your business.Hey, fuck you, Hal.My business is fine.AI can collate data, complete repetitive tasks, and fire off emails to your staff.
48:19Yeah, I'm sure it can. You know who else can do that? Janice.New Rule, Facebook has to replace the phrase, it's complicated, with a tiny photo of Jada Pinkett Smith.New Rule, someone must explain to Minnesota's Terry Martin, who's just confessed that he's the one who stole Dorothy's ruby slippers from the Judy Garland Museum back in 2005,that there are more straightforward ways to come out as gay.Wait, no, there's not.You're right.Well, play, it, sir.New Rule, let October be October.
49:15Stop calling it rock tober, gloctober, socktober,Wachtober, mocked over, cocktober.I say we call this month.Well, that's Howard Stearns.I say we call this the one thing it has become.Hot as fucktober.Maybe that's only on the world.West Coast. I don't know. It's very hot out here.
49:44And finally,Numeril as an Ivy League graduate who knows the value of a liberal education,I have one piece of advice for the youth of America. Don't go to college.And if you absolutely have to go, don't go to an elite college,because as recent events have shown, it just makes you stupid.There are few, if any, positives to come out of what happened in Israel,but one of them is opening America's eyes to how highereducation has become indoctrination into a stew of bad ideas, among them the simplistic
50:24notion that the world is a binary place where everyone is either an oppressor or oppressed.In the case of Israel, oppressors being babies and bobbas, the same students who will tell youthat words are violence and silence is violence were very supportive when Hamas terroristswent on a rape and murder rampage worthy of the Vikings.They knew where to point the fingers at the murdered, and then it was off to ethics class.Now, I recognize that a certain amount of foolishness is expected of college kids,but mixing Yeagermeister and tomato juice isn't the same as siding with terrorists.34 student groups at Harvard signed a letter that said the apartheid regime is the only one to blame,
51:12proving they don't know what constitutes aparthe.They don't know much of anything, actually.But it doesn't deter them from having an opinion.They've convinced themselves Israel is the most repressive regime in historybecause they have no knowledge of history.or even a desire to know it.And actual history doesn't come upin their intersectionality of politics
51:32and gender queer identities class.Now, to be fair, at least five of the student groupshave rescinded what they signed,saying they didn't read the letter closely.And they promised not to make that mistake againafter they graduate and start running the world.But I actually believe themthat they didn't read the letter closely.
52:05I think they scanned it, said it was blaming Israel,and went back to surfing.TikTok. Because college life today is a day spa combined with a North Korean re-education campto daycare center with a meal plan, except that toddlers can fire the adults. The fact that collegepresidents who usually love to speak out about anything couldn't find their voice to condemn theworst attacks since the Holocaust, there's a lot about who really controls colleges and why, ifignorance is a disease, Harvard Yard is the Wuhan.wet market. Not that
52:51colleges didn't always have professorswith radical beliefs. I know. I used tosell them weed. But the reasonwhy despising Israel becamepretty much a requirement of theAmerican left is colleges. Elitecolleges. The mouthof the river. From which
53:15this, an all manner of radicalleft, illiberal, yes, illiberalnonsense flows.Supporting all black,that is, segregated dorms,segregated graduation, sermons.and orientation programs, which occur on hundreds of campuses, is illiberal.So was the racism against Asian applicants and chasing speakers off of campus.
53:39When the First Amendment Watchdog Group Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression began ranking colleges based on their commitment to free speech and inquiry,Harvard came in dead last.There was only one set of acceptable opinions on campus, and it's policed hard.The old dorm room bull sessions?It's less risky shooting the shit in Scientology.John Stuart Mill wrote that he who knows only his own side of the case knows little.To which today's college students respond,he and his are cispronounds that commit violence against queer and bipoc community,
54:33so who cares what John Stewart Mill says, whoever he is?Oh, and Thomas Jefferson was a slaveholder.He might have done some other stuff, but it wasn't on the test.Elite schools should no longer be called elite, just say expensive.Which may be why they breed a particular brand of detestable graduate,a personality type that does not emerge from Chico State.Sure, they occasionally turn out someone decent,but for every Barack Obama, there are two Josh Hawleys.
55:22The former debate team jerk off who had no friends that no one likes today,and yet somehow manages to win a statewide popularity contest.Box-checking brown-noseders who don't actually believe anythingexcept that tricking stupid people's fun.That's why it is so repulsive when they pander for votes from Mama June and the Flat Earthersbecause they just hate elitists.Yeah, look at these truck-driving he-men from the tool aisle at Sam's Club.Vivek Rameswamy, Yale and Harvard.
56:06Ron DeSantis, Yale and Harvard.Ted Cruz, Princeton, and Harvard.Pat Robertson, George W. Bush,Tom Cotton, Mike Pompeo, Bill O'Reilly,Steve Bannon, Jared Kushner, most of the Supreme Court.There's a special magic that links Harvard typesand being utterly face-punchable.And some, I assume, are good people.
56:42And while it may seem like these men,men like these and the kids who signed the Harvard letter have nothing in common?Actually, I think they do.They all came out of an asshole factory.So, to the older folks, I say,college today is not the college you remember.And to the younger people, I say, don't. Don't do it.You don't need four years in a lifetime of crippling debt
57:16to learn to hate America when you can just watch five minutes of selling sunset.If your parents have 300 grand, they absolutely need to flush down the toilet,put it in crypto, or buy a van, go to a national park and feed yourself to a bear.Because any legacy dipshit can go to Penn.But a bear, that's hard to get into.All right, that's our show.Next week, former governor Andrew Cuomo is here with Melissa DeRosa,Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlova.
58:06at the MGM Grand in Vegas, November 3rd and 4th,at the San Diego Civic Theater January 27th.I want to thank Brett Stevens, Paul de Gala, Alexandria Pelosi,and now go watch Overtime on YouTube channel,the YouTube channel. Thank you. Good night.Catch all new episodes of Real Time with Bill Maherevery Friday night at 10, or watch them anytime on HBO on demand.For more information, log on to HBO.com.
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