Real Time with Bill Maher - Ep. #675: David Hogg, Mark Cuban, Joe Scarborough

Episode Date: October 19, 2024

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Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Late Night series, Real Time with Bill Maugh. I can feel with the excitement. I know, I know why you're happy tonight. Only 18 days. And you'll stop getting texts that say, Tim Wall's here.

Of course, we're spared mostly here, right? In California, because we're not a swing state. So, you know, Los Angeles, you barely know there's an election going on. I do see a lot of yard signs. Of course, they all say armed response. I will concede. I am a bit anxious.

And that's the difference between me and Trump. I will concede. This happened this week in America. It was kind of funny. Trump had, I don't know what you'd call it, maybe an episode. Let's call it an episode. He was doing one of his rallies,

and a couple of people, He's... Understandable. He's dead sexy. So, you know, people are going to pass out. All right. So he stops the rally, which, of course, understand people... But then, instead of going back to it, he says,

no more questions. Let's just listen to music. For 40 minutes. You know, like it was nap time. And not just music, his music. This is every kid's nightmare when Grandpa sit you down and makes you listen to good music But

Tell him that As a DJ, he's no Diplo Diplo is what he has to do To make it down a ramp But listen to it Some of the songs he played during this episode He played Avey Maria He played Hallelujah

and he played YMCA. Ave Maria, Hallelujah, and YMCA. It was from his playlist called Priest's Night Out. And then he actually had a priest night out kind of because he went to the Al Smith dinner. That's the big one they have every year. Kamala didn't show up, but okay, this is where they, you know,

it's for the Cardinal of New York and raised charity, blah, blah, blah. And of course he can't stop himself ever, but especially these days, even his own advisors is complaining that every time he's in public, it just turns into a massive grievous session. It's just all this bitching about no one ever treats him good enough.

The donors don't give enough. The Jews that don't vote for him should have their head examined, for Christ's sake. They have a new term for it, complaining. He's complaining. It's a really odd pitch, isn't it?

Vote for me. I can't catch a break. And, of course, all the way will not stop doubling down on eating the pets. That they're eating the pets. This week, he said, they're eating the pets and other things they're not supposed to. Eating things you're not supposed to. That's not kosher.

And he keeps saying migrants are destroying the country. I don't know, from the look at the people standing in front of the Home Depot, I think they're building it. I'm not... And, of course, that was topic one. Migrants, when Kamala went on, she went on Fox News this week. They were fair.

They asked her the same question. They asked every guest. Don't you just hate Kamala Harris? And the interview was conducted by Brett Baer. Do you know this guy? I must say, I have him pegged wrong. I'd always heard about him. I don't watch Fox News that much, so I didn't know.

I thought he was. They kept saying he was the most legitimate German. on Fox News. No, actually, he was a huge asshole. No, I'm not saying that... I'm not saying that even as a partisan way. I'm just saying he was... There's tough journalism,

and then he was just a huge asshole. So, you know, being the most legitimate journalist on Fox News, a little like being the hottest person in the dollar store. We've got a great show. We have Mark Cuban and Joe Scarbo. And first up, he's... the co-founder of the Student

Lett Organization March for Our Lives and the leaders we deserve pack, David Hogg, David. Look at that. They remember you. How are you, David? Great to see you. We don't often get someone your age.

I have so much. I need to know. I know. I watch your show. I'm glad to lower the collective age by a few decades. Yeah, well, well, we'd have on more people your age,

but they're too fucking stupid. But not you. But that's why. You know, this is a show for people your age don't watch this show Jenny. I watch it. I know you do. Well, no, I mean, the smartest some percent of any generation is going to be very smart,

and that's why you're here and not the Hoctoa girl. Okay. Not that she's a bad person. She's a lovely person. So where's the youth on Camilla? Just give us the skinning on that. I mean, frankly, the past few election cycles have been driven by voting against somebody we know doesn't represent us and hasn't for a long time, Donald Trump.

But frankly, I'm getting more and more tired, obviously, of people just voting against something. I think everybody can relate to that regardless of where they are on the political spectrum. But I think, thankfully, especially since we've seen her step up in her role as the new nominee, we've seen her speak a lot more, we've seen her talk a lot more in general. And I think part of that is because she, you know, was the vice president, and there's always a concern that, well, what if the vice president overshadows the president, right? And once that switch was made with her becoming the nominee, young people have become a lot more

excited about her. And they're refreshed to see somebody who's not nearly 80 years old, frankly, running for president. It does sound ageist, just to put it on. I mean, that's a prejudice, you know. I mean, there are people who are 80 who actually could be president and have been in other countries. Absolutely. And I think it's important that we have a diversity of ages and perspectives in our government. It's just right now we have far too few young people that are there making, You know, people that are that old shouldn't be universally making decisions

that they're not going to live to see the consequences of a lot of that. I want to be clear. I want to be clear. This is not to say that our government should be all 25-year-olds. I don't want that, to be clear. I want there to be a good diversity of opinion and experiences there, such as people like Congressman Maxwell Frost, who even as a freshman member of Congress

when I was helping him run for office, when he became a freshman member of Congress, he couldn't even get housing because his credit was so bad from how much much it costs to run for office. It's inaccessible, and it's so much harder now for young people to get elected, right? FDR was 29 when he was first elected to the New York State Senate. Joe Biden was 29 when he was first elected to the U.S. Senate, and LBJ was 28. So I know there's a lot of prejudice around young people, and it's understandable. We're still figuring things out,

but we do tend to figure it out and know how to get things done as those president states. Well, you mentioned three. But let's move on. So as somebody who we came to know from the horrible Parkland shooting, what did you think when Kamala said she has a Glock and that if someone burst into her house, she'd shoot them? Yeah, well, look, I've never said that I'm completely against any form of gun ownership. No, you haven't.

In fact, I've been shooting guns since I was in fourth grade. My dad was an FBI agent. Most of the many members of my family were veterans. And, you know, I'm really happy to be on this show because I know you have a very bipartisan audience as well, and too often we get siloed, right, where we don't really have a conversation. Exactly. And for that same reason, when I was in college,

I didn't go to college just to talk to people who agreed with me constantly, as easy as that would have been in Cambridge, Massachusetts, obviously, a liberal bubble within a bubble, within a bubble. So I actually joined... I joined the shooting club when I was in college. Harvard has a shooting club. It does. It's very small, as you can imagine.

And I'll tell you this much, when we went in a competition against West Point, we thankfully lost horribly. I'd be very concerned if that was not the case. But in those conversations, conversations, I've still been able to find common sense where even if the coach of the team, for example, who came over

to me one time in a competition, he didn't coach the team very much, so he didn't know that I was on the team. I had a beard, too. I liked a bit like a Republican as well. And in the middle of this competition, he comes over to me and he says, what's your name? And I say David. And he says, David what? And he's holding up my Wikipedia page on his phone. And I say, David

Hawk, and he's like, well, you're here to take my guns, and all, you know, the usual thing. And I say, and mind you, I have a 12-gauge shotgun cracked over my shoulder when he's saying this to me. And I say, look, I'm here for the shooting competition. And I'm also here because you probably have some assumptions about me that are not entirely accurate. And I might even have some about you that are not entirely accurate. And I know that you may not agree with banning a gun like the AR-15, but you probably do agree with more mental health funding for the two-thirds of gun deaths in this country that are suicides, right?

And he says, yes, of course. And I said, well, great, we could either debate this or you could help me become a better shot. What do you want to do? And then I went and nailed all the clay fidgets. I mean, my impression of Harvard, you know, for a while, but certainly since October 7th of last year, was that it's a place where a lot of people go to get stupid. I know there's obviously a lot of brilliant people there,

but it is ideologically captured. And, I mean, this week, Israelis finally got Sinwar, the head of Hamas. I know you're not at Harvard anymore, but would this be a day of mourning for people? you knew there? Or what do you think the reaction is of the people you know? I think the reaction for the most, for pretty much everybody I know, is thankful that he is dead, ultimately,

because you're not going to hear in the news, Bill, about the people that are sane a lot of the time. That's just not how the media works. You're going to hear about the craziest people that are out there a lot of the time. But what I do know that happens on our college campuses is I'm glad this conversation is happening in the first place between these students. I'm not saying that I agree with all of them. I think October 7th was awful.

but simultaneously, I think what's happening every day to Palestinian civilians is unacceptable at the same time. And it's possible to hold both those things true, right? But what is you talking about? Before the war, what was happening to Palestinian? Before the war. Is that what you're talking about? You're like their everyday life before the war?

I'm talking about the response that has happened since October 7th in particular that we've all seen. So do you believe Israel has a right to be a state? Absolutely. I believe in a two-state solution, but what I don't believe is productive, but I don't believe is productive, Bill, is when we continuously focus on what these students that are still trying to figure out who the hell they even are

a lot of the time and talking about that, instead of the people that are actually responsible for these atrocities continuing, whether that is us not having a two-state solution or our leaders that fail to meet this moment over and over and over. Because I get it, Bill. I don't necessarily agree with everything every young person says, obviously. There's a reason I'm on the show right now.

But I do agree that we need to have a conversation about this and make progress. And even though these young people, a lot of the time they can say stupid things that I do not agree with, ultimately, I'm glad that my generation knows that what the current course that we've been on of just enabling the government of Ben-Gavir, the government of Netanyahu, that was being protested by the Israeli people leading up to October 7th, just acting like everything's normal is not the answer. They're not against his policy of prosecuting this war to the end. So that's wrong.

They were against certain other things he did, and as a politician, that's a whole different discussion. But as far as what he's doing now and finishing a war that he didn't start, if you can see that Israel does have a right to exist, and two-state solution, you mentioned, Israel wanted a two-state solution from the beginning. They gave Gaza back. It wasn't theirs. They weren't running it.

What did they do when they had their own state? Gaza was a Palestinian state. They just used it to attack Israel. So that's why it's just so fresh-running when people say, well, let's just have a ceasefire. The best time ever to ever have a ceasefire is right after Israel gets attacked. Well, I think what's important to realize, too, what concerns me is, you know, Sinwar is dead.

Thankfully, we are all thankful for that. Ultimately, I think we need to realize that the hostages are still not home right now, right? That's what we need to be focused on is ending. I know that the Israeli people don't want the civilian casualties to continue. They want to bring their family members home, the hostages home, and they need to be brought home immediately. But we can't continue this war forever at the same time. And I know if anybody obviously experiencing the violence that my classmates and I had, that just adding more bombs to this situation is not going to solve it if we aren't willing to have that conversation in the first place.

And unfortunately, too, we see time and time again a lot of the people who do try to have those conversations, who try to broker peace and create a two-state solution get killed, unfortunately. This violence has continued to derail the peace process over and over and over again, and it's not what's going to bring us to a two-state solution. Who you think is getting killed? You said people who try to bring peace get killed. Well, I'm talking about throughout the past several decades, obviously, throughout multiple attempts of trying to broker different, you know, instances of a two-state solution.

It's a horrifying thing that's happened that many of the people that have been working for it. But just so you understand, one place has always wanted a two-state solution. Now, that has wobbled recently because you can only have a deal on the table for so long and having it spurned when you get a little tired of putting that deal down. And one place has never wanted a two-state solution, ever. Their only means of ending this has been, we wipe you out and take it all. So that's where we're starting from. That's why it's a little frustrating to hear some of these waffling, in my opinion, views on it.

But let's move on to something else because, you know, there's worse people at a certain point. Why the anxiety? Why is your generation known to having so much anxiety? What is causing anxiety? Do they realize that they live actually in the best time ever for a human being to be alive? Yeah, I think it's obviously hard for us to see that because we're not going to hear news stories about how your life is so great and everything's good, especially when we're seeing school shootings happen all the time, right?

We are growing up as a generation, not dissimilar, frankly, from yours bill, where I know that your generation didn't go through school shooter drills, but you did go through nuclear bomb drills, right? And that created a lot of anxiety. And for our generation, what we're being told by our government is the best thing. But it didn't. I remember, we got under the desk and then we got up. Right. But the difference is... You know, I mean, it was like... The difference is for us, Bill, the bomb is going off multiple times a year in the form of these years. And I'm not... You know, I am by no means. I am by no means. I am by no means an expert on child psychology or anything like that.

I just have the lived experience of being a younger person, but I can say that's certainly not helping. But I also think social media plays a big role in this, too, a major role. And I think that we need the government to step up and do its job and not just be, you know, standing down to these social media companies, but to help regulate them, too, to make sure that, you know, young women are not getting eating disorders, for example, from photoshopped and deep-faked images they're seeing online all the time.

And also making sure that our algorithms aren't destroying our society by driving us so much further apart than we actually are in reality. Well, so you're 25 on your next birthday? What is that? You're 25 on your next birthday? Yes, I'm 25. That's when you can start to run for Congress, right? Yes, it is.

Is that when you're going to start to run for Congress? Could you just seem like you're on that path? Well, Bill, that's a great question. And when I was younger, I did... You sound like a polishing already. No, no, that's a great thing. No, I did say when I was younger that I wanted to run a lot of time. for office, but I realized when I was helping

my friend Maxwell Frost run for Congress as the first member of March for Our Lives, the huge march that we had after the Parkland shooting, the largest student protest in American history, when I was helping him run for office, one, I realized how hard it is for young people to get elected. And that's why, after he was elected, defeating two former members of Congress

and becoming the youngest person in Congress, he had to raise over $3 million dollars in Uber drive from 9 p.m. to 2 a.m. every night for a year and a half. So it's about money. Well, Mark Cuban is here. I'll introduce you after the show. All right, I got to go. Thank you.

David Hogg. You did a great job. You will be in Congress. All right. Thank you. Let's meet our panel. Right. Kids today, huh?

He's amazing. He's great. No, he's great. All right. He's a co-host of MSNBC's Morning Joe. Co-host, his name's in the title. Joe Scarborough's here. And he's a shark on ABC Shark Tank part owner of the Dallas Mambrix

and a co-founder of Cost Plus Drugs Company, Mark Cuban. Okay. All right, I want to talk about money because I know you have a lot of it. I love it about that? Yeah, okay, because, you know, when you hear Trump talk, I mean, America is just a flaming bag of dog shit, and he's the only one who can stomp it out. And the economist today headline, The Envy of the World, America's economy is bigger and better than ever.

Listen to some of this, because I just don't think people know this stuff. Like, since it started 2020, America's real growth is. has been 10%, which is three times the average of the other G7, you know, the big boy countries. Just so that people think it's, oh, I'm sure, it's just the billionaires. No, Mississippi is our poorest state. I don't think there's a lot of billionaires there. No. It's residents earn, on average, more than the Brits, the Canadians, or the Germans.

Mississippians. Yeah. I feel bad about all the things. I mean, the top 10 U.S. tech stocks have greater value than the entire stock markets of Canada, written, France, Germany. What's our secret? Why are we kicking ass? Technology.

Technology. Technology. We dominate an artificial intelligence, and artificial intelligence dominates business. And as long as we stay ahead, we are going to continue to dominate the world. Just artificial intelligence? It's not just technology. It's not just technology. By the way, the numbers are incredible, and it drives me crazy when I hear politicians talking about how bad things are in America.

We've got a $26 trillion GDP. China, which was supposed to overtake us 10 years ago, remember that? They're like stuck at $17, $18 trillion. California, which is supposed to be a socialist state, has a bigger GDP. Fourth biggest GDP in the world, bigger than India's, bigger than Britain's, bigger than Canada's. Texas has a bigger GDP than... Russia? I mean, it's incredible relative to the rest of the world.

And that's the only way we can measure this. Our economy's stronger today than any time since World War 2. And so much of that has to do. I mean, nobody is saying that. Maybe it's because nobody gets

elected by saying how great this country's economy is. But it's not just the tech sector, which is great, but it's also small businesses. It's what's happening on Main Street. It's entrepreneurs. It's people that... It's our nature.

It's people... We're greedy and it's good. Do you know the great... I've got it other way to say it. That's not straight out of Wall Street. But one of my favorite commercials ever that explains the essence of America was Bill Gates...

Was Steve Jobs' first Apple commercial? Think different. We're just different than the rest of the world. A guy like Bill Gates borrows 5,000 bucks. He gets a couple of hippies from Berkeley. they go into the dad's garage and they create Microsoft. And I will tell you, that's a mindset

that guys like Mark have. That's not a mindset other people across the world have. We are the only country that does that. You can't go anywhere else, right? When you go here, everybody has the American dream. Everybody's got that one idea on the stomach here.

That's it. We have so much wrong with our country, but that is still the thing. That separates us. It's still a place where people feel that can go and they don't cut down the tall trees. Right. And you can have...

have an idea, and you can reinvent yourself tomorrow. You can fail, fail, fail. Right. It doesn't matter how many times you fail in this country. You only have to be right one time. And by the way, another thing that's great about this country, too, is people don't really care when they hire you, what color you are. What they care about is, are you going to make them money?

And that's the bottom line. And if you come from India or if you come from China, or you come from wherever you come, Nova Scotia. You walk in and you say, I've got an idea, and this is how I'm going to make you money. You're like, keep talking. I like the way he thinks. That's how the real balance of trade that matters

is the number of people who want to get in versus the number of people who want to get out. You don't hear anybody saying, I'm leaving the United States to go somewhere else to start a business. Well, you hear a lot of threats when the election is coming, and then they never do it. Right, right. Every celebrity in the I'm leaving the Republican winner.

Fuck off, you're not leaving it and they never do. But, okay, here's the guy who I think epitomizes, the good, the bad, everything in between. And just, it's sort of a microcosm of America, is Elon Musk. Because this week, he had an amazing week. He caught, this is from Politico. He pulled off an engine-eering marvel where he launched the largest, most powerful rocket in the world,

and on the first try caught the 23-story-tall booster. That brings it up. In mid-air, with, you know, using chopstick-like mechanical arms. We met a little video called Elon Musk's Week that encapsulate this. Would you show it? It'll just take a few seconds.

Look at that. That's insane. That's amazing. And then this. That's insane, too. That's just the same guy. That's my point. That's my point.

That's the same guy. This is such a game changer with exploring the stars with the rocket. But he also, I mean, The tweets. I mean, FEMA used its budget, ferrying illegals into the country instead of saving American lives. Treason. That's the same guy. He also said, tweeted, Mark Cuban and Rachel Maddow were the same person.

Don't believe. He just goes to show. You could be one of the world's greatest entrepreneurs, literally the last century, and be a fucking troll at the same time. Right. And here's the difference so we are. You know, people were shocked when Henry Ford, who created the modern age, went to testify on Capitol Hill. And what did historians say? Congressmen and senators were shocked how ignorant this guy was.

I'm not, I don't know Elon Musk. And an anti-Semite. I don't know. And an anti-Semite. But this is a guy who's one of the great minds of our time. Right. And I hate that he's in the sewer with, you know, Twitter and doing all of this stuff. Support whoever you want to support.

But again, but you don't have to lie your ass off. There's so much disinformation that's being spread. Here's where the rubber means the road, because this is important. He wanted to, this week, he's suing, but he's suing the 12-member commission, the California Coastal Commission.

He launches his rockets from Vandenberg's Space Force Base. He used to call it Air Force Base, but I guess now we're into Space Force time. He wanted the proposal to expand the number of launches. Okay, again, one of the most impressive companies, an American company. He wants a little more, give it to him. No.

The commission, some bureaucrat, said, nope, and this is the reason why. Commissioner Carol Hart, saying, we're dealing with a company, the head of which has aggressively injected himself into the presidential race and made it clear what his point of view is. Yes, because he lives in America, and he can do that. It has nothing to do with you. You know, the right thinks that the left is in a very different place with free speech than they have been before, and they're not wrong. They're not wrong.

This is arrogant. You don't punish somebody. It would be like if we stopped Henry Ford from making the cars because we didn't like what he... Yeah, but can you take one anecdotal example, one idiot, right? Truly an idiot to stop. Which is not an idiot. This is someone with power. An idiot.

With power is not unusual. Okay. Okay, but that's... Right. No, but having power matters. Let's talk about why... We've talked about entrepreneurs and what makes America great.

You know what makes our economy, what sustains our economy, the rule of law. And that's what I believe is at stake at this election. We want a fair and equitable approach to the rule of law. The great thing about America is an idiot makes a decision like that based on politics, of based on what their job is,

you can take it to the courts. The courts will overturn it. And I guarantee you, they're going to have that decision overturned. And they're going to have to find another reason, a better reason, a more relevant reason to deny. They'll learn a harder lesson.

He'll just move more of his production and more of his launches somewhere else, to Florida or to Texas, wherever. I mean, they'll learn the hard way. But it's just the attitude that I find scary. that they're far too willing to stifle freedoms, including speech, for the sake of safety or misinformation,

sometimes which is coming from everybody. It's, you know, no one has a monopoly on it. Or just power. It's just power. It's just power. Come on. That's some moral relativism right there. I said nobody has a monopoly.

You said nobody has a monopoly on it, but that's like saying nobody has a monopoly on being a billionaire. He's got that monopoly up here. I mean, he's got more money than us, a lot more money than us. And that's... I don't get the... You don't get it? I don't know what point you're like it.

Well, you're saying it's both sides is. Well, it is. There is no doubt. There's no misinformation. There's some disinformation from the left. But comparing it to what Donald Trump spews out every day, every week, comparing it to what Elon Musk is spewing out, unfortunately, on X? There's no...

There's... You sound like Brett Stevens right now with all due reasons. respect. It's a joke. That's a real time. And you sound like him who looks like Rachel Maddow or is it like to know. You understand what you're saying. I can. I'm not, I've never, I've never argued with that. I've never argued that the false equivalency. I just said there is misinformation from both sides. I live through COVID. Don't tell me there wasn't misinformation. But there's a difference between you. I live through stupid policies based on bad information and stifled information.

But intent matters. That's what Zuckerberg said. He said they were forcing us not to put out. But intent matters, right? Even back then, they were trying to save lives, even that they did it the wrong way. But here with this lady, there's no good intent. She's just trying to prove a point. If you get it wrong, trying to do the right thing. Okay. Something else I don't agree with Musk on forever is he thinks we need more population. I cannot go through a week. Really? Without reading about countries around the world, more babies. Everybody who's

wants more babies. I don't get this. Italy is giving out a billion dollars, put a billion dollars into a program to get people to fuck in Italy. This is so across the board. Iran is giving bonuses to the imams if they can get the people to get nasty.

Japan has a government dating a dating app. It's like a public option for fucking. I mean... I'm doing my part though, Bill. On cost plus drugs.com, you can buy it to Dilafil, which is generic Cialis, $9.95 for 90 of them. That's cheaper than M&Ms. You can put a whole goal of generic Cialis right next to your bed. That's what you grow America. That's the American way.

Yes. There are some posters around the world that they're putting up there to get people to have more babies. Hungry. Young Hungarians receive babysitting assistants. Poland advertised increased child benefits. Spain, save the planet, have more babies. I couldn't agree less. I am for less babies. So we came up with some posters of our own to encourage people to not have

children, like the real happy meals are the ones you eat alone. For the cost of child support, you could be driving an accurate TLX. Nothing ruins your only fans, like a kid crying in the background. They turn your nipples into gum.

Forget them in a car, hot car once, and you're a monster. Think of all the money you'll save on sex change operation. He can't molest what you don't create. And they're all cute until they tell you to start to go fuck yourself. All right. All right. Apropa we were just talking about, and again, not a false equivalency person.

There was the Al Smith dinner. That is something that I've seen, since I've been following politics. They have it every year in New York City. It's for the Catholic charities or whatever. Every year, the two candidates show up. And it's always like something that makes us feel good or has in the past,

because it's just saying, look, even a few weeks out before the election, we can be on the same stage, We can eat at the same dinner. We can even get up and make jokes about each other. I feel like it's a turning point when we can't even do that, and we can't. Kamala didn't show up. I understand why she wouldn't.

He's a monster. And, you know, the rhetoric has been awful for a very long time. But some of the stuff in the last week or so, the enemy from within, he's calling the people he doesn't like. I mean, he's done this before, enemy. You know, not just adversary. Michael Flynn, who, you know, who Michael Flynn is, he was the general. He was his national security advisor for about three weeks before he got canned for dealing with Russia. I know it's a hoax.

Wink, wink, wink. No, it's not a hoax. He was asked by someone at an event, is there any chance that when you, if Trump wins, you will get reinstated and sit at the head of a military tribunal to not only drain the swamp, but imprison the swamp. and in some cases execute the swamp. And Michael Flynn could be back in his old job. And he said, well, he goes on and on, doesn't say, no, I'm not going to do that.

That's crazy. He says, we win, and then Katie Bar the door, believe me, the gates of hell, my hell will be unleashed. Now, I know what the Republicans say is, yeah, he talks like a fascist. He'd never really do it. He used to say he'd put Hillary in jail. Remember? Everything was locker up. He didn't do it.

He had four years he could have. done it. That's not good enough for me. He tried to do it. He went to two attorney generals, and both of them said, we have nothing to ring charges against someone. People don't remember two weeks before the election in 2020. He was pressuring Barr, his attorney general, to arrest Joe Biden. What drives me crazy is this past way, like, I don't want people to listen to me. I don't want them to listen to you. I don't want him to listen to anybody. I want him to listen to what Donald Trump says. And this past week,

this past week, Donald Trump said that he was going to use the military and the National Guard to arrest his political opponents. He was asked if you would back off of that. He said no. And he said no. In fact, he doubled down.

He talked about Nancy Pelosi being evil. Her husband being evil, Schiff, being evil, talking about arresting them. He said he was going to execute the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff because he was disloyal to him. He told another chief of staff who was a general,

I wish my generals were like Hitler's generals. It's the new season of the Sopranos. It's crazy. I mean, it really is. But people, you know, you tell people this. And they go, oh, he didn't say that. You show him the clip, and then they go, he doesn't mean that.

He doesn't mean that. And that's when they say you have Trump derangement syndrome. And I would just like to say to my Republican friends, It's not deranged to fear this. No. It's not deranged to find this alarming.

No. He says it. What? I said, yeah, we're not saying this. We're not guessing what he's going to do. He's saying this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to get Liz Cheney in a military tribunal. His people have said they're going to arrest my producers.

He said he was going to shut down CBS because he didn't like how they edited a package in 60 minutes. he's out of control. His word. So, why is, that's just about so bad. That's unbelievable. No, because we're going to meet Elon. Elon is Mr. Free speech, free speech, free speech on Twitter,

and Donald says he's going to shut down CBS. He's going to shut down his enemies. Elon, not a fucking word. Yeah, well, I mean, anytime... You make him go expect differently from him, but... Whenever they talk about free, free, free, it just means you're free for the people we like. Right, free for me.

Right. Free for me. But why is, you've been a good one to ask about this, why is Silicon Valley turning more Republican? I mean, I look at some of these people. So there's two parts of that. Peter Thiel and Mark Andresen, Musk. I mean, there's some heavy hitters up there who, I mean, what is that all about? You know these people.

Yeah, there's two pieces to it. And I've talked to some of them. When Biden was president, it was kind of obvious to them that he didn't understand technology. He didn't care about technology. And that's when they took the first step. Now that Kamala is in place as the candidate, you've seen. Ben Horowitz come out and say, I'm going to give money to Kamala. Behind the scenes, there's a lot of other people saying, okay, it's time to re-evaluate what

I'm going to do. So Peter Thiel, Elon, I don't think they're going to change their mind. And Drusin, I don't think is going to change his mind. But I think there's a lot of other folks in Silicon Valley, we're having second thoughts. There's also been such a reaction. And you know, there's so much better than I do. I don't really know the culture that well. But there's been such a reaction against wokeism.

I know you talk about it an awful lot. I'm passing no judgments here. I'm just reporting that time and time again, when I talk to somebody in Silicon Valley, it always goes back to that. They want to tax us, and then they start talking about wokeism over the past four, five, six years. Well, that's Elon saying.

He calls it the woke mind virus. And he's not completely wrong. There is a woke mind virus. He just, he's, I think, a little on the spectrum, so it drove him over the edge. Do you think it's receding? Well, there's two elements. The wokeism.

I think... Yes or no. There's two sides. In the college campus, because of the legal rulings, it's definitely receding. Yeah, I think so. Because you can't do it. There's states ruling against it. And corporations, even like my companies, we're still DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion.

Yes. We're just not going to go out there and brag about it, but the principles are still the same, and I think that's consistent. But don't you think a lot of this is because Silicon Valley, a lot of their money comes from now it's going to become from AI, and they love Bitcoin like you do, because God knows we need a currency for criminals. And it uses, both of those use crazy amounts of energy. You know this, especially Bitcoin, especially the mining that they do with giant.

Yeah, they've made adjustments, but I get your point. Yeah, it's true. And the only way you can keep up with this is drill back. baby drill. And also, anybody who's going to regulate Silicon Valley is probably going to be a Democrat. Don't you think that's where a lot of this comes from? AI does need to be regulated to a degree, and I don't think they want that. And it's not going to come from the Republican. A couple things. One, I'll disagree with the AI regulation. It needs to be watched, but it's very difficult. If we lose AI to China, it's over. And so trying to hold us back to keep us from being

able to compete is a problem. In terms of energy, he can say drill, baby drill all he wants, but if the price of oil goes down below $60, nobody's drilling, so it doesn't matter what he says. In terms of providing energy for AI and other things, now you're seeing Three Mile Island get purchased by Microsoft. You're seeing nuclear projects being developed because they see it's cleaner, more cost-effective energy. So, you know, that's capitalism.

Lena Kahn. I learned who this is just a couple of weeks ago on 60 Minutes. It did a big profile of her. She is the head of the FTC, the Federal Trade Commission. Very powerful. I thought, well, good. I mean, I think the top ends of our economy are a bit out of control, and she's there for raining them in.

She seems to be very sincere, brilliant. I heard you don't like her. Well, two sides of this coin. What I said was what I just said here, that I think AI is the most important battle that we're fighting right now globally. If China wins, like I just said, we lose all that economic superiority. They can kick her ass in robotics. They can kick her ass in business.

There's so many places where it can go wrong. What is she doing that's preventing? So what she's looking at doing is breaking up big AI companies, starting with Google. And so those are the companies that are doing the research, doing the development, that push AI forward. And what I said was, I don't care if she sanctions them. I don't care if she finds them. I don't care if she sends somebody to jail. But don't break them up because that hurts our competitiveness.

Now, that said, I also said her click to cancel for removing subscriptions, brilliant. Her taking on the pharmacy benefit managers who are increasing the, the cost of medications in this country 30, 40%, brilliant. She took on scam companies that misused people's name, image, and likeness. Brilliant. How about streaming is ruining football? Am I wrong? It is.

It is. I wanted to watch... Wait a second. This is important. I wanted to watch the Mets, and there was a football game on at the same time. In the old days, I could just push previous channel and be between the one and the two. in one second. Now I can't do that. By the way.

Reverse improvement. Reverse improvement. Because of streaming. We always hear that. Anyway, you got three people. I think she should work on that next. You know, there are a couple things really quickly. First of all, drill baby drill. Again, Biden and Harris are supposed to be such socialists.

The Dow and the S&P break records every week. And as far as drilling goes, the United States this past year, we got drilled more oil than any other country ever. So we're doing well there. The thing I don't understand, though, about why there's hostility towards Lena Khan. I said earlier that the amazing thing about America was at Microsoft, you get some hippies from Berkeley, $5,000, a dad's garage, and they create Microsoft. The problem now, though, is Microsoft is basically a monopoly.

It is. Amazon is a monopoly. You can Google. Too big. It is a monopoly. We went through this. You can go down the list of it. And all of these companies, while we, I love taking out my phone, going to Amazon, being able to order something, it shows up on the doorstep.

But the problem is the size of these companies stop other people from entering the marketplace. And can I just ask for them? What's a difference? No, no. What's a difference between Google, Amazon? And by the way, these companies I love. I really do. I respect them as an American. But what's the difference between breaking them up and breaking Ma Bell up in the 1970s?

Because we heard the same thing then, and look what we got because we broke up the bell. So back then with the Bells, it was all analog, barely digital, and it was all physical. And it was all based off the infrastructure, putting down the phone lines, having all the telco stuff. And when you broke that up, you just split it up. Now with AI, it's definitely a difficult choice between consumerism and protecting consumers and economic dominance. Because that money and all that data and all those

technologists and engineers work on improving AI. But isn't there a part of Google that does AI and you can break up Google and you move them there and have other? That's why AI is so critical. It touches everything. All right. Thank you guys. I got to end it really fun.

All right. I got a new rule. All right, new rule. No more touching stories about people who take their cats camping and accidentally lose and then the cat miraculously travels 800 miles to find its way home. It didn't walk and it didn't hitchhack and it didn't book a plane ticket with miles. There's a simpler explanation.

It's a different cat. It's true. If your cat travels 800 miles to find you, it wasn't driven by love. It's coming for revenge. No, well, stop trying to get me to take a cold plunge because it works wonders for depression. Okay, one, I'm not depressed, and two, if I was, I wouldn't get in a tub of ice. I'd fill a tub of ice with Corona. No, someone must ask the Arkansas couple who tried to sell their baby for $1,000 in a six-pack of beer.

What's wrong with you? A thousand dollars for a baby from Arkansas? I mean, maybe Vermont or Washington State, but Arkansas? I said it before I'll say it again. The problem with today's parents is they think their kid is so special. You know, someone has to break it to the people who say they died in the hospital

and then saw a bright light at the end of a tunnel. That was the TV. Yeah. You were watching Netflix when your heart stopped. That man you saw with the long white beard. That wasn't God. That was David Letterman. And the gentle touch from the almighty you felt on your arm,

that wasn't an angel. It was an orderly stealing your watch. No rule, just because you can buy a service dog harness for your chihuahua, doesn't make your chihuahua a service dog. You're not fooling anybody. Unless the service your dog provides is making everyone at the restaurant hate you. Now, get your dog away from my Cobb salad before I call a Haitian.

And finally, new old Democrats need to stop thinking an October surprise is going to save us from a second Trump term. I mean, look at this. We've gotten so used to thinking that there's always an October surprise coming that when it doesn't happen, it actually seems weird.

Like a party at Diddy's House where you just dance. The Access Hollywood tape in 2016 was a classic October surprise, and many people thought it was one that would work as grabbing pussy is generally frowned upon,

including by James Comey, who was so disgusted by it, he reopened an investigation into Hillary. A few weeks later. In 1980, the October surprise was that Iran was going to release the hostages they'd been holding for over a year, giving

President Carter a lift, but then they released them minutes after Reagan got inaugurated. Sike! In the year, a week before the election. It came out that George W. Bush had once been arrested for drunk driving, something I always assumed he'd been doing

before he found Jesus and made him take the wheel. But, okay, these were much simpler times, and quaintly, this was seen as a big scandal back then. Whereas today, Trump could drunk drive with a blood alcohol content of a million, doing 200 on a side street and kill a crosswalk of kids. kindergartners and two ducks, and it wouldn't move the needle at all. Yeah, good thing. Trump's superpower as a candidate is that he has been so constantly and ubiquitously awful for so long

that it's simply no longer seen the way you wouldn't notice a new face tattoo on Post Malone. Louisiana Governor Edwin Edwards once. boasted, the only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy. Both of those could happen to Trump tomorrow, and it wouldn't matter. He's banged a porn star and attempted a coup. He steals from charities. If you're waiting for an October surprise to knock him out and dream on, there are better odds of another Joker musical. There's a new Bob Woodward book that says when Americans couldn't get a COVID test, Trump was sending them to our worst enemy, Putin.

Shrug. Trump said last week that really doing the purge, like in the movie, might be a good crime-fighting technique. He's the only candidate where the voters hope he doesn't keep his campaign promises. Five trials in one year?

Even if you're a fan, that's a lot of trial. But you simply cannot surprise the voter who's seen it all, with what? He's the third Menendez brother? He did gay porn with black Nazis under the name Don Diggler? Would that do it? No. There's already video of him jerking off two guys at one.

Thank you. Balloon drop. But honestly, what is the headline you're imagining that would knock Donald Trump out of the race? Trump in blackface for Halloween? Trump wipes ass with Shrout of Turin. Trump knocks up underage prostitute who gives birth to Rosemary's baby. Trump is Rosemary's baby. I mean, this is, this is Kamala's great dilemma.

Trump is invulnerable to an October surprise, but she is very vulnerable because she's the one who is still undefined. And as she showed in this week's Brett Baer interview, her go-to when attacked for her own actions is usually Trump is worse. Okay, we know that. But now undecided voters want to hear about you. They want someone to vote for. This election comes down to this. Trump has a coalition of voters made up of, A, people who really do like him, and B, people who think, with all of his flaws,

he's still better than far-left insanity. And the voter's big doubt about Kamala is, are you part of far-left insanity? The attack ad I see 10 times a day in a question Brett Baer aimed at, her on Wednesday was about her saying in 2019 that she supported providing taxpayer-funded sex change operations to illegal immigrants in prison. Something that's actually never happened and has no real bearing on anybody's life. But it's a litmus test for voters out there who want to know of the Democrat, is there anything your fringe can suggest that will ever

make you say, no, that's fucking ridiculous. It's getting late early, and we can't afford any more bad answers like this one last week. Would you have done something differently than President Biden during the past four years? There is not a thing that comes to mind. No, bueno. Next time, maybe try. Joe Biden generally did a good job, but sure, I wish we'd tighten the border sooner, as we have done now. And trust me, I learned my lesson, and that's never going to happen again.

Kamala, it's so important that you win this election, not just for the sake of retaining a real democracy and for the good of the world, but also because I predicted a month ago you'd win this thing, and if you blow it, it's going to make me look bad. I've got a really good prediction record, so please don't fuck this up. Kamala, ever since I put down my marker on you

and said you'd win, and I wasn't even worried about it, everyone, everywhere on the road in L.A., texting me, emailing me, stopping me in restaurants, asking me, Bill, are you sure? No, I'm not fucking sure. What am I Creskin? Of course I'm not sure, but that's my gut. I think Kamala Harris wants this. I think she can do this

to say nothing of. If she loses, she'll never hear the end of it from Joe. I told you I was the only one who could beat him Biden. All right, that's our show. I'll be at the David Copperfield at the NGM Grand in Vegas, November 1st and 2nd, at the Beacon in New York

for the Comedy Festival, November 16, and the NGM National Harbor. in D. Steve, November 17. I want to thank Joe Scarborough, Mark Cuban and David Hogg. Now go watch overtime on YouTube. Thank you, folks. Thank you.

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