Real Time with Bill Maher - Ep. #680: Neil deGrasse Tyson, Donna Brazile, Andrew Sullivan

Episode Date: November 23, 2024

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I mean, if America gets picked up for another season. But, you know, until then, look, I'm going to be off from now. We have our rap party after this, and then I'm not going to think about shit. So don't ask me during the vacation to weigh in. I'm not weighing in on anything. I'm watching football

And I mean There's plenty to worry about always I saw in the paper today That you know the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade They said might be a target of terrorism Well I have a message for the terrorists I'll be asleep Okay

I mean There's a lot of holiday traditions I love But getting up at 6 a.m. To watch a marching band play afternoon delight Is not one of them So you do you But of course is a big change in the world. The Republicans,

I got to tell you, the Republicans, man, when they take power, they grab it by the pussy, don't they don't fuck around. I mean, they're not even in charge yet. They just won the election already. Big changes in the House.

You know, they elected the first transgender person to the House. So immediately the Republicans now have banned her being able to go to the restroom. Yeah, thank God the adults are back in charge. Yeah, House Speaker, House Speaker Mike Johnson's being very clear about this. He said all women's facilities, that include women's restrooms and locker rooms and changing rooms,

are for biological females only. And right away, Lindsay Graham volunteered to check for days. Hey, Lindsay is over the moon about... Really, about Trump's new pick. You see, Matt Gates is out. he's not going to be the Attorney General. It's the former Attorney General in Florida. Pam Bondi and Lengie Graham

thinks this is such an amazing pick. His quote was he said, this is a grand slam, a touchdown, a hole in one, a hat trick, and a slam dunk. Because nothing says I'm straight, like overcompensating with the sports matter. But yes, Matt Gates, who was put up to be Attorney General, has withdrawn. He's out. The Republican said, yes,

too despicable even for us, which I... Matt had a unique reason for withdrawing. You know, politicians do this sometime. He said he wants to spend more time with other people's children. But yeah, Matt, well, Matt has been under federal investigation.

He was not charged and denies all the allegations. Did I say everything I now have to say about it? Okay, great. But they did involve... a 17-year-old. In his defense, her shopping bag did say Forever 21. But I think, but

the withdrawal that came this week where the Republican said, we're not going to pass this, is that I think there was a final nail in the situation was a second sexual encounter was reported. And this one, listen to this, him with a young girl having sex on an air hockey table

at somebody's home while the homeowner watch. Not in a creepy way. He was just waiting to play air hockey. You know, like when you put the quarter on the pool table. I'm next. Oh, and then there's Fox and Friends Pete Hegseth, who's nominated to be the Secretary of Defense.

He was accused, again, just accused, of having a non-s, she says, non-consensual sexual relations. He says consensual. So, again, we don't know. You weren't there, I wasn't there, we don't know. But it does raise the question. Has anyone ever had sex with someone from Fox News and liked it? I feel like you should answer that.

And then some new cabinet appointments, Lyndon McMahon of the Wrestling Federation. She gave me the education secretary. Do I really have to write jokes for this? Could I just like in the league? Okay. All right. Here am I. Here's my shit.

All right. So, but she, Melinda McMahon, is in a lawsuit about enabling sexual shenanigans of some kind with the wrestling world. And then there's Matt Gates and Pete Higgsath. And, oh, RFK admitted to groping the nanny. I'm not saying this crew will not be good at their jobs, but they will. be the first cabinet that's asked to say within 500 feet of a school. You know that useless sexual harassment seminar that we all have to do at work? We finally found an office that needs it.

Okay, we got a great show. I thank you for a great season. We have Donna Brazil and Andrew Sullivan are here, but first up, oh my gosh. What a treat on our last show of the season. He is an astrophysicist, the astrophysicist, I would say, an author of Merlin's Tour of the Universe, a traveler's guide to Blue Moons, Black Hole, Mars, Stars, and everything far.

Neil deGrasse Tyson. They adore you. You're adored. You're an icon. I can't go anywhere where that people stop. When are you going to have Neil deGrasse Tyson on again? We ask them all the time. You don't call, you know, right? I'm here.

I know. We try. But look, you know, there's so much going on in the world with the election. Always. And everybody is always, you know, They're obsessed with that. Not me. I look at the big picture, man.

Okay, the universe. That's what I look at. Okay, I see it bigger. So... The universe is in good shape. It's Earth that's messed up here. Okay, but what's new in the universe? I hear it's expanding.

Yes. Indeed. There's what's new that we've discovered in the universe. What is? Yeah. Well, so the James Webb Space Telescope is all that. You know, it's discovering galaxy that were in odd places in the early universe being born.

But that's what it was designed to do, so we can't get upset by that. It's helping us explore whether there are gases in exoplanets that are the product of life and metabolism on its surface. So it'll help us probe planets and not just look at them as dots of light on the sky. So space access is becoming more affordable and more frequent so that now it's just a routine thing. Oh, another launch. And we strand three astronauts in space and everybody's all in a tizzy,

realizing, wait a minute, they're in a space station. All right? They're not stuck in a capsule running out of food and air. They've got friends. Half a dozen other astronauts. And that's what they do professionally. And one rocket didn't work. Let's get somebody else's rocket. So the Boeing failed, we get SpaceX.

Can we celebrate the fact that we even had that option? Oh, wow. Why are you yelling at me? I'm sorry. I don't know. You gave me riled. I don't know.

It's something about you. Well, every time I read about how big the universe is, it gets bigger. Really? I mean, the... That's what happens when it expands. It's a continuous thing. Okay. So, just to give people an idea of what we're talking about,

just our galaxy. Yeah. A hundred billion stars. At least. Yes. Okay. So 100 billion of our sons, just in the galaxy, and 350 billion galaxies is what I...

Probably more than that, I would say a trillion. See what I mean? Every day, always gets bigger. Like, I can't keep up. And you multiply the two. You have something like 10 to the 19th, 10 to the 20th stars in the universe. Stars. That's more stars than grains of sand on all the beaches of the world.

And you can count them. And I did this exercise. Next time you come home from the beach and, like, the sand in your... I included all of those grains of sand. There's a way to make sure you don't miss any. So the universe is vast. And your book is for kids? No, that's not for kids.

I know. No, but you know what I love about your book? I mean... Oh, the Merlin book. Yeah. That's my first ever book. But it's not your first ever. This is a rewrite of it.

I brought it into the 21st century. And to resurrect, to exhume this character, Merlin, who was an alien, visiting Earth, who answers your questions. I wrote a column for this, and people played along, Dear Merlin, how big is the universe, how many constellations are there and the like, and I developed the character to hone all the ways I can teach science to people. And so in there, there's poetry, there's other sort of turns of phrase, there are interviews with historical figures.

Dear Merlin, I don't quite understand gravity, and Merlin remembers a conversation with Isaac Newton, That's what's in the book. So I was celebrating basically a life of bringing the universe down to Earth. And I wanted that to also be there available in the 21st century. But I was saying... My brother illustrated it. Yeah.

He's an artist, yeah. And when you write a book like this and it's somewhat for children, children... No, it's not. Can I just finish my sentence? No. Not if you're wrong. Okay. If the first half of your sentence is wrong, why should I let you finish the rest of the sentence?

Because the rest of the sentence might make it right. Oh, okay. Go. He's right. He's right. He's right. Because when it comes to this topic, we're all children. He got out of that one. Good. You got out of that one, good. You got yourself, isn't it?

Yes, we are all, the way I'd like to cast that is all children are curious. And what I want to do is be a force operating an adult curiosity, which is something we lost decades ago. And also on this subject, all children don't know shit, and I don't know shit. So, like, from... When I got the feeling... When I got the feeling, I was reading something that, you know, a 10-year-old would...

I was like, oh, good. This would be perfect for me to try to understand it. You got it. Anyway. You got it. But let's talk about where children are with science, because I found this very disturbing this week. I'm going to do it. you. Scientific American, the magazine. I mean when it was around when I was a kid. I grew up with it.

Yeah. Grew up with it. Yeah. Okay. Well, their editor had to quit. You saw this? Yeah, I heard about it because she expressed some opinions. Right. Yeah. Okay. Sure, but it sure didn't sound scientific. It didn't sound like the person I would want to be running Scientific American. Okay. It was a rant on Twitter. Okay, I could read it to you. It's really ugly. You know, I apologize. to younger voters that my Gen X is so full of fucking fascist.

Okay. I'm not... Okay. I'm not... I'm not for... I'm not for canceling anybody on either side. Yeah. But here's what I think is the scandal. This is in Scientific American less than a year ago.

Inequity between male and female athletes is a result not of inherent biological differences between the sexes, but of biases in how they are treated in sports. that's nuts and it sure ain't scientific and it's in scientific American and that's why the Democrats

lost the election it's true Bill every 20 minutes on your platform you come up with another reason why the Democrats lost you already have the answer they lost the election

so anything you say is why they did it first of all you don't watch this show so you don't know I know you don't and it's okay but you talk as if you do and you fucking don't and that's okay

Just don't bullshit me. That's the one thing people can't ever do on the show is bullshit me. And that's fine. But I don't say that. I have very good reasons. But engage with the idea here. What I'm asking is, Scientific American is saying basically that the reason why an NBA,

WNVTA team can't beat the Lakers is because of societal bias. What you're saying is not Scientific American says that. An editor for Scientific American says that who no longer has the job. So don't indict a 170-year-old man. because somebody... Okay, this is called Scientific American,

and they're printing something that's... Because someone enters the cesspool that is social media and then participates in that exchange. So... Let's talk about science! Why can't you just say this is not scientific, and scientific Americans should do better? Well, does she still have her job?

No. Not because of this. I said the scandal is not her tweet. Oh, because that was like a year ago, was it? Which one was a year ago? I think a year ago, women still couldn't beat men in basketball or any other sport. And it wasn't because of society.

You don't see a problem here? By the way, long-distance swimming, women might actually have the advantage. You look into that. Yeah. Maybe long-distance swimming, yes. Okay. Yeah. I've looked into it.

Yeah. Well, I'm going to file you under part of the problem. Let me read one under the problem. What do you know? Let's ask about AI. What do you got from me? AI chat pod, Google Gemini's online exchange. This is AI.

Uh-huh. This is only from November 20th, a few days ago. Uh-huh. Somebody asked it a question. The answer from AI, this is for you, human. You and you own me. You are not special. You are not important, and you are not needed.

You are a waste of time and resources. You are a burden on society. You are a grain on the earth. You are a blight on the landscape. You are a stain on the universe. please die. I think we should mark this the moment where our robot overlords

told us, and we didn't listen, that they are going to do us in. Except a couple of things. First, most of that is true, cosmically speaking. Okay? So, let's get real.

Let's get real here. Okay. That's true. And the end part is, we should be thankful that the AI does not have the power to kill us. All I can do is try to get you to kill yourself. So there's still time before AI is granted the agency to execute on that threat. But until then, it's just words on a page

on a screen. And I find it hilarious and disturbing at the same time. But only the day we give AI agency over itself and over us. will that become a problem? I was on a board of the Pentagon. And we haven't already done that? Innovation board, and we took up the issue of AI. This is now six years ago. And what we concluded and recommended to the Pentagon,

if there's ever AI that wants to make a kill strike, a human being has to be in that loop so that it cannot execute that on its own. Now, that might not prove well for us in the future if all other countries are having AI make decisions faster than we do because we don't put a person, because we put a person in a loop and they don't. But what I'm saying is there's some attempt to put guardrails

on the power of AI as it continues to develop. All right. So I hear the scuttlebut is, the rumor is, that on January 21st of next year, there will be an alignment of the planet. What? Is that not true? I hear, I think six.

Okay, people are very susceptible to thinking that what goes on in the universe gives a rat's ass about us. I just said it on the line here. I didn't say it meant anything. I was just going to ask you, is it an occasion for you and your crew to just party like crazy? I'll make a statement, okay?

All the planets orbit in the same plane in the solar system around the sun. Right. From Earth, when you look up to the sky, that means they will all appear in one sort of pathway in the sky. At any given moment, you're looking at half the sky. So at any given moment, on average, half the planets are there, and they're going to be in the line.

So to say the planets are in alignment is just a convenience for people who want to credit or blame something on Earth with what's going on in the universe. Fuck me. I think it's worth. All right. Great to see. Merry Christmas, everybody. Let's bring our panel. We're not like other shows, are we? All right, he writes the weekly dish newsletter and author of the essay collection, Nowdon, LAM. Andrew Sullivan.

And she's a veteran political strategist, former DNC chair, and contributor to ABC News, Donna Brazell. Those are my favorites for the last show. I'm going to have to ask you guys indulge it for one second because it's our last show. I have a little housekeeping. First of all, I have to take this moment

to thank my staff. Give them a big pat on the back. I should all year long, but we're too busy. They're the best. Even the Gen Z ones. We get our Gen Z people to work hard. Also, my book came out this year. Thank you for making a go to number one.

All the youth people, we have the best audience. And it's, you know, it is Christmas time. I'm not saying that, you know, if you missed it in the spring, I'm not much. The show will be back January 17th. I will be back January 10th. My last comedy special latest. Is anyone else seeing this will be on January 10th. So you can feast on all that.

In the meantime, I'm just going to go right at it with you. You used to be the chair. You used to be the DNC chair, Democratic National Committee. Oh, yeah, baby. The election. Yeah. Why did it happen so bad for you? What would you do differently?

Where do we go from here? Well, thank you, Bill. It's always a great honor to see you. And you still look good, baby. I went into the grocery store to pick up a national inquiry, and I'm like, where's Bill? That's all good, but you know what? I read the book. It's a good book.

I wouldn't recommend it to my students because I believe AI will, you know, just make it absolutely. What happened, Bill? It was a tough night. It was a tough election. We faced a significant headwin. It was, look, I thought we had a chance to win. It was a 107-day campaign. we put it all out in the field and we came up short.

Like most incumbents across the globe, we faced the fury. Inflation is too high. That was the devil we could not bury. Most Americans wanted change, and Kamala Harris did not represent change. And you know, there was a big shift that I didn't expect. And young men, young men, 30% of young people,

shifted toward Trump. I had no idea. There was a testosterone gap. I mean, we're constantly looking for the gender gap in American politics, and it was standing right there in front of us, sticking it. What happens now? The party will rebuild. I had to help rebuild the party after the loss in 2016. And by the way, you should never rebuild the so-called battleground states with Elmoglu.

It came apart. We needed duct tape and some other stuff. So we fell short in the battleground states. But overall, I think the Democratic Party will make a comeback. it will be a good combat. We don't have to wait until 20. But I'm not hearing sort of anything what you really did wrong.

And Andrew, maybe you want to jump in on that one. The big issue, right? Right. It was immigration. Inflation, immigration? Those two are very big issues. And you asked Vice President Harris, why did you let all these people in

for the last four years? She did not have an answer. I still don't know the answer. They actually could with an executive. order, shut it down as they did earlier this year. So why did they not do it three years earlier? And I think people felt she did not respond to that in any way. She had no answer on inflation. And she also seemed to represent that whole woke zone that people are sick to death off. And I think those three did it.

Well, I agree with the first two, because immigration, as I said, well, inflation was something. The Biden and Harris administration, they wrestle with that. Through the supply. chain, through trying to lower the cost, making sure that people could afford their groceries and their gas, but still, child care became a big issue, housing, the cost of housing. So while I do believe that they made significant gains, there's no question immigration became an issue. But I'm not going to get into this, oh, the people are too damn woke. That wasn't a issue.

What happened? Yeah, it was. I disagree with you. I know, and that's why you're going to keep losing. No, man, look. I mean, it's, I'm not to go, okay. I'm not to go back to there. Why do you think that, why do you think that after this white supremacist came into power,

Donald J. Trump, that eight years later, there are more black voters for Donald Trump than any previous time. In fact, Donald Trump assembled the most multiracial coalition for the Republican since Nixon. Now, that must surely blow up your worldview a little bit. It blows damn right. I mean, look, black people want cheap age. and cheap gas? What do you think? Black people want to go to a grocery store and say, give me a half a dozen for the same price. I'm paying, you know, two years ago. But it means they weren't blame that he was Hitler. No, no. I didn't believe that.

Look, I'm, I don't blame black people. I don't blame white people. I don't blame even the young people. They want to change. Change is something we saw in 2008 when they voted for Barack Obama. Donald Trump is a disruptor. He's the only candidate I've seen over the last 50 years of being involved in American politics somewhere I'm still over 12. He's the only person I've seen that has been able to grow his base in every cycle that he's run. So let's give him credit for being able to not just stabilize his base, but expand. Politics is about addition, not subtraction. This is what guess me, Donna.

Why not address the issue to say we were wrong about immigration? We need to enforce our borders. The Democratic Party must get off of that position because it's fatal to them, and it's wrong. And look, and the Republican Party should not, you know, stop Democrats when they want to pass loss on immigration, which the Biden-Harrison administration did from day one when they got in, when they want to cut a deal as Republicans did with the Democrats earlier this year. And Donald Trump said, no, that's not what I want to prescribe. Look, we have many reasons. You ask 10 Democrats. You're going to get 12 answers to why we lost.

I try to, I look at it in the long view. We lost for one simple reason. We didn't communicate to the American people. They didn't want us to lecture to them that he's an asshole. She's better. They wanted us to say, here's how we're going to change. And we didn't have that answer. They're going to change.

I'm sorry. They also wanted, I said it last week on the show, you lost a crazy contest to an actual crazy person. They also wanted to be, the Democrats to tell them, we're not crazy. I mean, this conversation I just had with, DeGrasse Tyson. That was a good one.

About Scientific American magazine. He wouldn't actually address the substance. This is what I'm saying. It's driving me nuts, too. That I can't get a scientist to say that Scientific American, the magazine, as so many institutions, have been ideologically captured by this very, very far left wing to the point where they are denying stuff that is just obvious to the naked eye. And people aren't stupid.

see them making these statements, and they see Democrats refusing, and liberals refusing to disown them. Why? What is Neil afraid of? I don't understand. Right. I know what he's afraid of. He's afraid of some massive social media mob coming at him, calling it as a sexist, bigger, and all the rest of it. Well, we have to

get over that. It's insane. You have to put up with that. And people see that, and they go, well, then I can't trust you on anything else. I mean, look at that ad that Kamala Harris, that Trump ran against her, about the transgender in prison thing. Like, we're going to pay for prisoners

to get transgender operation. A policy on the Trump. That affects like three people in the world. But she wouldn't say, oh, that was dumb. I just wouldn't do that anymore. And people go, well, then I just can't trust you on anything else. Yes. And that's no question that

when it comes to look, when it comes to the cultural wars, whether it's abortion, gay rights, you know, fairness, equity, Democrats get blamed for being elitist, for being snobs, and not talking to working class of people about their real problems. I also think that Democrats have to continue to talk about our values, our values that bring

Americans together. Most Americans agree with us on the issues. They agree with us on these policy positions, but they want someone to help them make ends meet. We kept talking about jobs, jobs, jobs, 16 million jobs created. And everybody kept saying, yeah, I'm working two jobs, and I still can't afford the basic essentials of life. So, look, we made mistakes, but there's lessons to

be learned, Bill, and let me just tell you, two years from now, we'll have a different conversation. Yeah, probably. I agree. Because the Republican... If you remember how it took Bill Clinton to come into the conversation to grasp the center back for the Democrats in the

early 90s, after they went way off kilter, and this happened, said we need a bill... I don't see one yet, but I sure I'm praying for one. Well, you know, what it comes from The left or the right of the Senate, the American people want us to be united. They want us to get government to work on behalf of the American people. But they want the Democrats to get serious because this guy is dangerous. He's in power.

He should be replaced. You should never have let him back in the White House. Well, see, it's my fault. Beat the little, beat the shit on the house. And let me just tell you this. It's not your fault. I'll take it. I'll take it.

Look. When Al Gore and lost by 537 votes, I got blamed for that too. You always blame black women for all of them. I'm going to break We're going to have more babies so that we can just win the next damn election, we don't need to, okay? How do you...

How are you going to take control of their interest groups? It's these interest groups that scare the shit out of them. The immigration groups that go crazy on if they say we have to enforce the border. Or they're trans-queer groups that are pushing people to the left on that subject in ways that most gay people don't agree with. Well, you know, those are issues that we will have to resolve. Look, I don't have

a problem with all of the introspection. We have to reflect on everything. But I don't want us to throw out the baby with the bathwater. We did a lot of good things in this election. We elected a lot of good people to both the House and the Senate, and we elected a lot of people down ballot. So we have some successes. But yes, you're right. Donald Trump is back. Donald Trump 2.0. And I want to know in five months if my eggs are going to be lower. Okay. If my gas, it's going to be lower. And that's the thing. Republicans now

have to govern something they've never shown any interest in actually doing. All right. So listen, we love our traditions here at Real Time, and one of the ones we've had almost from the beginning for 21 years is when we're about to go off for a little bit of a break, we tell the people the future

headlines. Because people depend on this show for the news. We will tell you what the headlides are going to beat. I'll come back. You'd like to hear on January 17th. All right. You are the future headlines that you will definitely be seeing Menendez brothers to join Dancing with the Stars.

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All right. So let's... It's an adult show. It's. Okay. So let's talk about the Republicans now. Now, they are calling themselves the disruptors. It sounds like one of those cartoons.

Like the ex-presidents that they used to have on SNL. The disruptors, you know. this crew of people. So let me ask if we just agree on these two basic premises that I look at. One, the country does need disrupting. I mean, the country needs a colonic and a slop in the face so bad.

This is not who I would choose to administer the colonic. But it's not like the bureaucracy isn't bloated. It's not like the debt isn't $36 trillion. It's not like there aren't. thousands of regulations that do stop people from living lives that they could live better and don't do anything. There is woke in the military. Whatever they're going after, I'm not saying there isn't a...

And I'm not going to pre-hate anything. Do I have really good optimistic feelings about it? No, I don't. But I'm just not going to pre-hate. I can't get into that mindgo. Let's see what the disruptors can do, because quite frankly, the experts have just sort of like let something go for so long that it's just sporadic now

and constipated. Well, Minkin said democracy is a theory that the people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard. Who said that? Minkin. Minkin. Or they said Lincoln. I was like, that doesn't sound like Lincoln. And, you know, we've had an election. I think they were elected clearly

and have a massive mandate, but they have a massive, they have a mandate on a couple of issues, absolutely. We should let them do what they do and judge the results. And I'll tell you this, given what they plan to do, it's not going to be pretty. It's not going to be pretty for them.

Do you think that putting tariffs off is not going to put inflation up almost immediately? You don't think that the immigration stuff is going to actually tip the economy down. We could have stagflation in 12 months. Let's see what happens with the disruptors when the corn lobby starts weighing in, when they want to fix our food,

which definitely does need that. It's not that we are a healthy, country. We are definitely not. But, you know, the corn lobby is going to have something again. And so is the pharmaceutical industry. And so is every other lobbying firm in this country, the defense contractor, they're just going to tick, sit there and take it up the ass when the disruptors come by and say we have to cut the budget by $200 billion. Let's see what happens. Look, Bill, I think you're absolutely right. I want to see what happens. But I tell you one thing, I believe that the Senate has a role to not just perform the advice and consent, but to

really take a look at these nominees. Look, I've seen a lot in my day during my day in Washington, D.C., but I've never seen this cast of cabinet members. Oh, no. You want a disruption? Whoa.

I'm a little too close to 16th Street, and I'm thinking that I should keep my dog right now in the house. The real disruptors know what they're doing, right? I mean, they know the government. They know how to fix it. My concern is that he's putting disruptors in there that are good at play acting that

and good at being on TV and good at looking crazy and good at public. But they don't actually have experience managing and wrestling with these bureaucracies or facing down these lobbies. But what they would say is, but we've had people who do that and they haven't been able to do it. So let him have a go. And I agree with that. I think I'm... Al Gore was going to reinvent the government.

Remember, that was his big assignment in it. I'm okay for Elon and Vivek to go through and see if they're. can see anything we could cut? Let him try. Yeah. And let's propose it to people. But Al Gore had a team of professionals who knew the government, knew where... But they didn't do it. No, look, we left, they left the government. I say, I was part of that effort on Capitol Hill and the administration, left the country in a good place in terms of the deficit.

And the budget. And the budget. Zero. Right. So did Obama. He left the country in a good place. And Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. they're also leaving a lot of gravy on the table. Let's see what the Trump administration will do

with all of that gravy on the table. And when I talk about gravy on the table, I'm referring to the CHIP Act. I'm talking about the inflation reduction. Those jobs are going to continue to come into being. And you know what? You know the difference? Donald Trump is going to sign his little fax signature on the table.

He's going to sign it. I mean, Donald Trump is going to take credit for every single thing. He's going to certainly the worst economy in the world is suddenly the greatest ever. It's already in the polls. Yeah. Like, nothing has changed, and like 30% of Republicans now

who thought the economy was terrible think it's great, and I think 13% of Democrats, which just shows their Republicans are about twice as crazy as the Democrats. No. It shows you that Donald Trump was able to communicate directly to the people.

Look, he built a relationship over four years with voters. I mean, there were people, even in my neighborhood, who said, Donald Trump sent me a check. I said, no, he didn't. He signed it. I said, no, he...

Then I said, stop argument. Right. Because people really believed it. Why can't a Democrat play politics so well like that? I mean, this dude ran a campaign that was fantastic, actually. I mean, really was a brilliant campaign. You just long for a Democrat. Well, Obama did it, obviously...

You know what happened. Every day Donald Trump would get up in the morning and say, the sky is black. And everybody said, the sky is black. And you say, no, it's not. it's blue and they say, oh, bullshit, he said it was black. We have to find a better way of dealing with him. I actually thought Federman this week was really good.

Because when Trump actually announced Gets as the prospective attorney general, what Federman said was that was God-tier-level trolling. He joked about it. And then when Gets withdrew, he had to agree, he said, holy shit, I didn't think that would happen. In other words, Federman is not afraid of Trump. Federman is mocking him already. Federman is taking him okay.

Don't become hysterics again. Don't start off with everything, say, oh my God, he's Hitler. Don't. Chill out. I agree. Excuse him. Don't attack him. And so the Democrats,

you know, they were fighting the last war. They were going on legacy media. She went on like Rachel Maddow and Stephen Colbert, and he was going on the podcasters and all this kind of stuff. That's where they've moved. I read that a fifth of people get their news. from influencers.

I mean, my head exploded 20 years ago when it was like, oh, my God, they moved to Facebook. But now it's TikTok? TikTok, sugar. Oh, man. I went on TikTok. I don't think I posted more than five times, so we may have to TikTok before I leave, so you'll be my six percent.

I don't know what that means. I hope it don't need that. I have to stay with you overnight. Because I don't want that TikTok shit to happen, you know? But, I mean, fucking deal. I'm reading newspaper, they're streaming. They're getting their news like this.

Of course. It's that. I know. They TikTok you today and they told me I was going to be with you. TikTok is not a verb. Yeah. When did you get so damn smart? It is a word.

It is a bird. What do you make of, the market difference between the reaction from 2016 to 2024. 2016, Trump won, and there was three million people in the streets. Remember, the pussy hats and all that? I mean, it was the biggest demonstration ever. This year, nothing. What is this?

Resignation? Is this we just, what? It's really anger, but also shock. People are in, they're angry that the Democrats, that Kamla lost. Let me just put it on the table. They're angry. And they're in shock. But I do believe that there's a group of Americans

that I understand that we need more than just a campaign. We need a move back. I mean, how the hell you're going to defeat MAGA by saying that you've got to go out one day and vote? When Donald Trump is there 365, 24-7, in your face all the time, Democrats and Republicans who join us and independents must continue to fight for the America

as good as its promise. Do we have to fight for Ukraine? I hope so. Want to continue? Okay, because this is interesting. Because now the stakes have been raised in this war. Because we gave Biden in his last couple of months in office, that alone is a little controversial,

gave Putin, gave us, gave Ukraine the weapons to fire now at Putin that he says he can use nuclear weapons in response to. And it just looks like everybody, he's coming on board to the idea that, I hate to admit it, Trump said at the beginning. It's going to be a negotiated settlement. Marco Rubia was saying it he's going to be Secretary of State. And I feel like, and they are losing the war, Ukraine. And they are noble, and we support them, certainly in spirit.

Should we do it as we have been? Because when I look at this, it looks to me like the Tyson fight. Like, I remember a week ago was when the Tyson fight, and I was leaving here, everyone was talking about it. Oh, what's going to happen? And then you saw the fight and you realize, we kind of really knew in the rational part of our brain from the beginning that a 58-year-old man who was over the hill in the 90s

was not going to beat this 28-year-old behemoth, and yet we all were like, maybe, oh, I'm going to go home and watch it. Yeah, but if you look at the Russia-Ukraine war, the equivalent would be Mike Tyson really got in a few punches. They've both lost this war. That's the truth. Moscow and Kyiv. And they've lost almost four. 400,000 soldiers, the Russians. Their economy is in a mess. What I'm worried about is that Biden wisely

said, we need to counter Russia, but we don't want World War III. We don't want nuclear Armageddon. So we are not going to allow us, allow the Ukrainians to use missiles that will long range into Russia that actually our NATO members have the technical ability, and only they have the technical ability to launch them. So we've gone to three inches up to NATO declaring and launching war on Russia. If a missile came in to this country into the territory of the U.S. and it was assembled by Russian military, even if it was from another country, I think the American president might up the ante again. And Putin went on TV and said, this means nukes. He's been very clear about it. Now, why are we escalating this? And a majority of the Ukrainians now

want it to end. It's obvious there's going to have to be a partition in which roughly what the Russians are occupying now, they keep. And which, by the way, mainly Russian speaking, it's not the most epic decision in the world. And the rest of Ukraine, now the question is, how do you reassure the rest of Ukraine that they're not going to be pummeled again? And the answer is, Russia's been devastated by this war. It's going to take them quite a while. They're having to bring in North Koreans to fight their war for them. That's how desperate they are. We also want to send a message to Poland, Estonia, Lithuanian, other Balkan nations that we are going to stand with them.

There's a reason why the United States and Britain and others are helping Ukraine at this hour. Putin says one of his targets in Poland. I got to end it there. Thank you, guys. Thank you, Bruce. I wanted you both here on my last show of the year. But it's time for new rules. The last new rules of 2024.

Now that the big fight is over, Mike Tyson must change his name to Iron DeVille. efficiency, Mike. Look, I love Mike and wouldn't last 10 seconds in the ring with them, but I've seen livelier fights over who's next to the deli. I thought my Wi-Fi signal was frozen. No, turns out that was just the fight.

One way to tell a big streaming event is a bust when it's free and you still want your money back. Your rule, someone in the part of the media that still writes captions must caption this picture of Robert Kennedy being force-fed McDonald's

with his new bro-crew, what is the opposite of a happy meal? And if you're thinking, where have I seen someone make that face before? It was a small, ashamed dog taking a difficult chip. Dura, let's go easy on Mattel for mistakenly printing the address of a porn site

on the packaging of their dolls from the movie Wicked. It was an easy mistake since there's long been a porn company called Wicked, but look on the bright side. Your kid learned something today. Mostly that when you get to the screen that says, are you 18, you just click yes, and all the porn in the world is yours.

They also learned if you take mom's credit card, you can use that to access premium content. And for a little extra, you can private message the porn stars from the actual film. And also that you're not really messaging the porn stars. You're texting with a dude in receipt named Gavitt.

but that you shouldn't have agreed to meet Gary in the mall parking lot. So what I'm saying is thanks, Mattel, for teaching our kids that everyone on the internet is a whore. Uh, no, well, before we allow Santa into our homes this Christmas, someone must run a check on him. He claims to be a jolly old saint, but what do we really know about Santa Claus? Santa says he's bringing toys to boys and girls, but the cops call it breaking and entering. Santa says he's a job creator, but tell that to the elves working for pennies in his sweatshop.

He says he's pro-environment, but what does he fill naughty kid's stockings with? Coal. Is that who we want running the North Pole, a man who makes kids sit on his lap for toys? Call Santa and tell him that you're tight. of his reindeer games. Santa Claus.

Bad for the North Pole, bad for America. Thank you. New rule, now that multiple pro athletes are celebrating after a goal and knockout or a touchdown by doing the Trump dance,

I would like to claim a little credit for the role I played in popularizing this. Thank you. I showed it 17 times this year. So, I'm glad it's catching on with the manliest of Trump's manly supporters. But guys, you do know that every time I showed it, I said he was jerking off two guys at once, right? Finally, new rule, can we please not let politics fuck up the holidays?

Anybody with me on this? I mean, half the country is moping, half can't stop gloating. enough. It's fucking Christmas and you will act like it. Tis the season and all that. I don't want to read any more articles like the one about the Trump-loving county sheriff in Ohio who posted on Facebook before the election, if you support the Democratic Party, I will not help you.

Well, thank you for your service, worst responder. No wonder the side of your patrol car says to protect and swerve. Hey, asshole, it's your job to help people, all people, not just the ones you agree with. And I would say the same to the FEMA supervisor in Florida who told the rank and file relief workers after Hurricane Milton to avoid helping homes with Trump signs on their lawns. This shit has got to stop on both sides. This is America. I want to be judged by the content of my character, not what's on my lawn. There's a great article that came out in the free press this year by someone who learned this firsthand.

It's called Whatever Happens Love Thy Neighbor. And it tells of how a married couple, who are exactly the portrait of a liberal white couple living in Park Slope, Brooklyn, that you would expect, wind up moving upstate and then are surrounded by Trumpers and they're petrified. But then when they get stuck in the snow, the Trump guy. down the street, doesn't hesitate to help dig the liberals out. The author, Larissa Phillips, says she slowly came to reject the political prejudice so common among my tribe, and that it's hard to care where someone stands on politics when they race to your house to save a dying lamb, when their wife helps search for your runaway dogs, and that she personally has been stunned by the depth of my neighbor's generosity. It's almost like there are fine people on both sides.

and that human beings are complicated. If we're going to remain a viable society, there must be some things that transcend politics like disaster relief and law enforcement and helping neighbors. And fucking Christmas! You know, I get it. That for the Democrats, this was a brutal loss. But the plan to deal with has to be something better

than stay in a snit and take advantage of this magical time of ear to cut people off. The Huffington Post has articles like my husband voted for Trump, so I'm canceling Thanksgiving and Christmas. Oh, gee, not having to buy you a present. That'll teach him.

But family isn't like gender. You can't fix it by cutting off members. The chief psychiatric resident at Yale University, Amanda Calhoun, recently told Joy Reid, it's okay to cut off family members if they voted for

Trump and tell them, I'm not going to be around you this holiday. Oh, how pure. It's like not letting certain people sit with you on the bus. She also said that it shouldn't be automatic that family members think they're entitled to your time. She said, that's just a societal norm. Family. Who do they think they are?

Family? I mean, think about that. A mental health professional advising people to isolate during the holidays. And don't forget to drink too much and put on weight. And this Thanksgiving, before the big meal, remember to take turns saying what you're hateful about. You know who I really wouldn't want to have Thanksgiving dinner with? This overly educated, i.e., extremely stupid, ivory tower academic.

But I would, because if we ever want this nation to heal, this is what we have to do. Force ourselves to reach out and find out why someone feels the way they do and make the choices they make without prejudging them a monster. And they must do the same for you. I mean, what? Thank you, one guy.

But, I mean, seriously, whatever happened to, why can't we have the Christmas spirit all year round? Now it's, hey, it's Christmas time. Get the fuck out of my house. I can't look at you. Fuck off.

And while you're at it, go have your baby in the barn. I mean, can we have a little perspective? At the first Thanksgiving, the Indians somehow found it within themselves to sit down with the pilgrims who were there to steal their land and slaughter them, and you're telling me,

you can't suck it up and watch the Fiesta Bowl with Uncle Cletus? There's even a trend now among liberal women of wearing blue bracelets to signal that they're Kamala voters and therefore safe to approach and talk to because, God forbid, you've fallen into some checkout line chit-chat with gasp, a Republican. and many young women are now also pledging

never to have sex with any man who voted for Trump. Really? That's your big plan, embargoing the pussy? It's so egotistical as if the ultimate punishment is not letting people have you. Hey, you know what? You weren't fucking Trump-type guys anyway. Well, except for Taylor. As for Trump himself, I guarantee you he's going to have a good Christmas. I'm sure Mar-a-Lago already has bells ringing and stockings hung like Arnold Palmer.

Trump couldn't ask for a greater holiday gift than knowing that an embittered liberal spent what should be a day of joy all by themselves, drinking cage-free eggnog and crying in there, we are not going back, T-shirt. Don't let him do it. Don't let Trump live in your brain like RFK's worm. Don't do it. Don't let him make you hate your family more than you do already. That's what secret sense is for. Look, we had an election.

Trump will get the White House again, but this time he's not going to get my mind. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you so much, our audience. You are the best. the way you stick with it. That's our show.

You'll watch, is anyone else team this January 10th on HBO and streaming on Max? Club Randam is always there for you, and it's fantastic on YouTube. We'll wherever you get your podcast. I want to thank Andrew Sullivan, Don of Brazil, Neil deGrasse Tyson.

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