Real Time with Bill Maher - Ep. #715: Mel Robbins, Killer Mike, Donna Brazile

Episode Date: November 22, 2025

Bill’s guests are Mel Robbins, Killer Mike, Donna Brazile (Originally aired 11/21/25) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO late-night series, Real Time with Bill Maugh. Oh, it's a little reclaimed. It's our, I know, it's our last show of the season. It's our, I know, it's our Thanksgiving show. I've already started my baking. I know, I'm going to do it myself this year, Thanksgiving.

I am. I don't know, I probably should not have asked GTP how to do it. No, I ask them, how do it. No. I ask them, how do you roast a turkey? Tell it, it looks like a chicken who can't afford Ozempic. But, yeah, we always have our little winter break. We will come back in January, as always. We were back January 23rd.

Mark that in your book. And when we do come back, this all will be an incredible ballroom. I just like to remember. I kid the president. Oh, boy, did it? It was Muslim week at the White House this week. No, first he had Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. The only guy who walks into the White House and goes, not enough gold.

But yes, you know Muhammad bin Salman. They call him MBS. He was there at the White House. Nothing to do with politics, just with Thanksgiving approaching. thought, who better to carve the turkey? I get the Saudis. You know, there was that little unpleasantness with O'Sheaing the reporter.

But, you know. But Trump loves this guy. Oh, what a bromance. These two have. Get a room you two. I mean, Jesus. Trump was showing him around the Ovaloff. He showed him the, you know,

Trump has that model of a 747. He shows everybody. And Mohammed bin Laden was very impressive. with it. He said, that's beautiful. We can't wait to fly it into something. I think the Saudis. No, they had a...

He's... Now, MBS, he's not officially had a state, so it couldn't be a state dinner. They gave him a great big dinner. It was, in effect, a state dinner. You know, where they had, like, celebrities. You know, who was there? For the big dinner? Christian Rinaldo, the soccer player.

Saudis love soccer, because it's the one sport you can play after they chop your hands off. It's inside. So... And then today, you know who was there today? The White House? Mendami, the new mayor of New York. And Trump said to him, I don't understand you guys. Why wait for the afterlife to enjoy the 72 virgins?

That's what Jeffrey Epstein's are for on earth. But it is amazing. I mean, I don't want to tip my thing at the end of the show, but this is exactly what I'm going to be talking about. He met him in person, Mandami, and great meeting. I mean, the night before, just like the night before I went there, he's an asshole, he's a shithead, I know. You know, he's a communist. Trump is a, he's a great guy, great meeting.

He said, you know, they asked him, you know, what about the communist? He thinks, well, you know, he said maybe he'll change. My views have changed. Trump said, I'd love to live in New York under this guy. He might be a great mayor. See, that's what it is. You've got to talk to people. negotiate. I mean, they're New Yorkers, you know?

They negotiated. Mandami, they each got something they want them. Mandami wanted Trump's help on affordability issues, yes, and Trump wanted a guarantee that he can still stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone. Oh, I kid. Always look love. But yeah, I mean, the Trump, ooh, the Epstein thing, Trump did a total 180. Last week, we were all talking about it. won't release the files. This week, it's like, well, the Epstein files. Oh, sure, we're going to release those. So they are going to

release the Epstein files, but, you know, always the fine print. They're going to be redacted. So, you know, people are already saying, what's the point? Epstein got away with it. Well, got away with having sex with underage girls. He hung himself in his

jail cell. I'm not sure that means getting away with something. David Bowie, he got away with it. Trump is very touchy about the Epstein thing. Since the reporter asked him, did you see this this week on, I think it was on Air Force, brought up that issue. And Trump said, this is a woman reporter.

He said to her, quiet piggy. Quiet piggy. And then, listen to this. At the press conference the next day, his press secretary, Carolyn Leavitt, spun this by saying, it's actually admirable. He said, it's the president being frank and open and honest. That's good. Well, in that case, shut up, bitch.

You said, I mean, I'm telling you, if you go near this Epstein thing, he does not like it. But Marjorie Taylor Green was his biggest ally, and then she was, you know, all in on, we got to get the Epstein files. And this week, Trump went nuts on her. She's a disgrace. He's a disgrace.

She's wacky. She's a ranting lunatic. All I can say is Marjorie, welcome to the club. Wonderful show for our finale, Donna Brazell and Michael Render, Killer Mark. Mike are here. The first up, my first guest is a true phenomenon in the world

of life improvement. She is host of the Mel Robbins podcast and author of the number one bestselling book, The Let Them Theory, a life-changing tool that millions of people can't stop talking about. True dat. Mel Robbins is what they're in there. Thank you. Thank you.

I know everybody wants you on their show. They do? You know they do. And you came here. I can't tell you. much I appreciate that. Oh, really? Well, thank you. Wow. Wow. We know this is true. I mean, to say your book is a phenomenon is an understatement.

I mean, this is an era where people don't read anymore. I know. Yes. Somebody said to me the other day, oh, you know, Barnes & Noble's, I always see people. Yeah, they're buying a cat calendar. And the let them theory. And the let them theory. Yes. I mean, the numbers are just off the charts.

If I went into the bookstore, would it be under self-help? Is that still a term that they used? Do you not like that term? Do you don't care? Is it still self-help? Let them. I don't care what they call it as long as people read it. Okay.

But, I mean, that is one of the more popular sections in the bookstore. And there's a lot of people in that. Why did your message resonate so much more than all the other people who were working that side of the street? Well, I'll tell you why. There's a number of reasons. First of all, it's a great freaking book. Like, as you read it, you can get through it in a day and a half. It's hilarious and profound. And it works. And you don't need to buy the book. I'm going to tell you how to use the theory. The theory is so simple. It basically is this. The fastest way to lower your stress and to have more peace and control in your life is stop trying to control everybody else. Let them have their opinions, their behavior, and take all the power and time that you've been wasting on other people. and bring it back here and let me focus on my thoughts, my actions, and the way that I want to live my life. And life gets very simple and a lot more peaceful, and you feel more powerful and in control. And so that's how you use it. Four words.

Let them and let me. But here's why it works. It reduces the number one source of stress bill in everybody's life, and that's other people. Other people are so annoying. Right? their opinions, their close talking, their judgments, their expectations. And the more you try to control them, the less control you feel. And it's much easier to say, let them.

It is. And it's also the other reason why this thing is spread around the world is when you start to read it, I'm the villain in the book, I'm the control freak that's really irritating. You're either going to see yourself or somebody you love. And so you start to read it and you feel better about your boss who you hate, and you feel better that traffic isn't getting to you. And then you start to go, oh, my God, my mother needs this. My sister needs this.

And so everybody is not only reading it, Bill, they're giving it to their families. And here's what I love. We all love saying let them. There's an Irish version of this. I'm not going to say what it is, F them, right? Right? You can say that on basic TV now. Right, that's true.

That's true. This is fucking HBO. That's true. Okay. So, you know, fuck them is the Irish version of this. And when you're like, let them, let them, let them, you feel super. But then what happens is you now have to figure, okay, what do I do? I realize my siblings never call me back and I make all the effort, let them.

My friends always go out without me and they don't invite me. My boss is rude to me and I don't like my job. Let them, let them, let them. But now what? Now you say, let me. Let me choose how I'm going to respond to the reality that I'm dealing with. And that's where you take your control back. And what I love about this bill, and I love about people using it,

is that you first start using it because you are annoyed with other people. I mean, we have families because it teaches you how to love people you hate sometimes. And that's also why people get married. It teaches you that. But as you start to say let them, you're forcing yourself to learn how to accept people as they are and as they're not. And you have to confront how judgmental you are of the other people in your life. And learn how to let them be who they are, let them have the dignity. of their own experience, and you start to recognize

how much time and energy you burn up over the headlines, over people's expectations, over traffic, and it's stupid, because your time and energy... But not everything is a let-them case, right? Everything is. If you're being sexually harassed at the office, that's not a... Yep. That's a let-them? Okay, well, here's what it is.

Let them do it? Well, no, because they've already done it. So when you say let them, you're not allowing it, you're forcing yourself to recognize the situation you're in, and that you're not going to change what's happening by trying to change them, you have to take the power and go, okay, well, let me recognize this is a situation I'm in, let me stop gaslighting myself and making excuses and like sticking around and beating myself up and let me remind myself that I get to choose what I do next.

Am I going to HR? Am I leaving this job? Am I hiring an attorney? All of the energy that you're spending, complaining about it, worrying about it, beating yourself up, telling yourself there's nothing you can do, there's always something you can do. But that would be more like stop them than let them. Sometimes let them, it has to be stopped them, no? Of course. In situations where it's dangerous or discriminatory or somebody's getting hurt, of course you step in and stop them if that's your values.

Because the number one rule is you can't change another person. People only change when they're ready to change for themselves. Oh, yeah. You learned out the hard way. Yes, we all have, they all have. Yeah. Well, I mean, your life was the hard way. I mean, you came from places that most people haven't been.

Deep in debt, drinking, day drinking. Wasn't that where you were doing today? Not drinking. And I don't, people think I smoke before the show. I don't smoke right before the show. I was going to say, that's a huge, just of that. That's the key. That would be wrong.

Well, my husband was like, okay, Mel, I know let them, but don't smoke before the show, smoke after. I don't want you to embarrass yourself on television. Killer mic's here. Trust me, it's going to happen. Okay. Before we run out of time, let's get to the other part of it. Because it's not just let them, it's let me. Yes.

And you are very adamant in the book over and over. You make the point. One does not work without the other. Correct. let's make sure people understand what the let me part of it is. Right. So once you start saying let them and you protect your time and energy from other people, and you also force yourself to accept people as they are, you're never going to change your mom or dad. You've got to learn to let them be who they are.

It'll reduce so much pressure in your life. Now pull it back here and say, let me. Like take the holidays. If you're going to go home and spend time with your family, stop gripping the wheel hoping it's different. These people have been the same, their whole lives. So when you start going, let them, right? You are forcing yourself to recognize they are who they are, they have their opinions, I'm just going to let them be. Now, let me remind myself, I get to choose what I think about this.

I get to choose how much time and energy I spend here. I mean, you can get up from a diner room table. You can get out of a text chain. You can divert a conversation away from a topic. You're not a victim here. You're in control of what you do in response. And if you look at, this is how you take responsibility for your life. This is how you change things for the better.

And responsibility, Bill, is the ability to respond. That's what that word means. I mean, I feel you're doing my work here for me. This is like a theme show. Because, again, this is, I mean, again, this is going to be the end of my show. It's every year at Thanksgiving, I have to do basically the same theme, which is telling people, don't cut off your family. No.

It's just terrible. And, you know, and I said this a few weeks, few months ago, we did an editorial here on the show where I talked about Trump and the fact that there are things that really still I am very adamant about and I will never stop talking about. There are other things where I just, it's like in meditation where they say, just let the cloud pass.

You know, like I see so many people are upset about him building a ballroom. I could give a fuck. I don't give a fuck because we're paying for it, whether you voted for him or not. No, we're not paying for it. It's private. First of all, even if we did,

Well, it's already bulldozed, so any time you spend burning up about it, it's already happened. You have to decide what are you going to do in response to it. And it's like not the thing I want to concentrate on. There's so many bigger things that are consequential that I don't like him doing. And they tried to gin everybody up about, well, they're knocking down the White House. They've changed the White House before. And the White House does actually need a ballroom. You know, we're a big country.

were having state dinners and people were like in under a tent. I've had better parties than that. So I am not, you know, but I still do think you have to choose your battles. You have to pick what you get. Yes. So if this were the dining room table and you're saying something that pisses me off, right? Right. And I'm not suggesting that that pisses me off, but you're at a diner room table with your family.

You get to choose how much energy, that opinion, takes up up here. You get to choose whether or not you allow it to burn you up inside. You get to choose whether or not you're going to engage. And so what I love about let them and let me is all day long you have this slice and dice that you can do where you force yourself and allow yourself to recognize what's in your control and what's not. And when it comes to opinions and families, I agree with you. The thing that's separating us is our inability to sit with each other and allow each other the dignity of their own experience and opinion, even if it offends us.

Instead of leaning away, we have to learn how to sit with our upsetness and lean toward each other and go, well, why might you believe that? Right, exactly. Help me understand that. So I think I have a self-help book in me. I'm never going to write it. But I was reading about Gen Z and I don't blame them.

They're full of anxiety. And this article was, well, AI, they think it's going to take all their jobs. The robots might kill us all. You know, Trump, there's going to be no jobs left, nuclear stuff, climate change. Like, my book would be called, It's Not Going to Be That. Then What's it going to be? At 70, what I've learned in life is, whatever you think the future is, it could be shitty. it's not going to be what you think it is.

So stop with the anxiety and just live your life. Because it's not going to be that. That's life's trick on you always. Well, here's what I believe. I believe that we don't know what it's going to be. And if you're going to bother going, what if, what if, what if, might as well also go,

well, what if it all works out. Yes. What if I'm more capable than I know. Right, exactly. Anyway, again, I know everybody wants you and you came here. I mean so much to me. It's perfect for life.

our Thanksgiving show. I hope you do it again. Congratulations on the biggest book ever. Mel Robbins. Great to meet you. I hope I get to smoke with you. I feel like the Zambole that came in the keynote factory. Your routine. I appreciate that. Thank you. All right. Let's read our panel. Okay. Oh my. Here they are. All right. He is an entrepreneur and Grammy winning. I'll say, musician best known as one half of Run the Jewels and host of The Conversate with Killer Mike podcast. Killer Mike is over here. And she is an ABC news contributor, veteran political strategist, and former chair of the DNC. My girlfriend, Donna Brazile, is over here.

Hey, Bill. Okay. Here we go. I love it, baby. And the first time you really acknowledged our relationship. I mean, it's, you know. I couldn't hold it. I mean, that self-help session really allowed you to have a breakthrough.

And if I'm invited over, I'll bake and roast your turkey. And you know what they say, one should go black. I mean, you'll never go back. I'll put some in your stuff in that will keep you lit up a lot. Mike, tell them what happened when a black one. and put her greased hands in the bowl. And what comes out? When I took them to the blue flame, you were all he could talk about.

Ooh. Okay, look, I know I'm not really needed here tonight. You know, I do understand that, but just until next season, when we'll have the new owners here, let them, whoever's going to buy this network, let them think I have some place. Yeah. You know, we know all about jobs. security. We're going to help you, baby.

But it is our finale for the year. We will be back January 23rd. It's the one time I get to thank my staff. We're a very no to the grind zone group here. And we don't, I probably should do it myself better, but we somehow are easier to say we appreciate

each other and I do appreciate them so much and what they do. Somehow it's easier to say it on the air, but in private. But I want to ask you to, since we are looking now to We will not be on again until 2026. That is going to be, I keep saying Democrats are going to win big. The party in power, they always do it.

They get drunk with power. And then it creates this backlash. Certainly this administration has done that. So let's just go through who might be the frontrunner, because we are going to, in 2026, be pretty by then, I think, know who was going to be the Democratic nominee. Who do you think the Democratic nominee should be for president, and who do you want it to be?

I'll let this y'all man go first. Get your ass in trouble. Yeah, yeah. Shake up the party. Come on. Shake it up. Shake it up, Mike. I'm going to just bring old Jewish guy back up,

but he's never going to run again. Shots out the party. If the Democrats were the party that truly say they're inspired to beat Nina Turner, be the first black woman president. First woman president, she'd be the most progressive president that we've seen in the last 20, 25 years. I've lost a lot of my faith in what we say we want

versus what we actually want, and I see the Democratic frontrunner probably being a white man, probably coming out of Midwest. What's my guy in Illinois? J.B. Pritzer is probably going to be... I think that America is leaning toward white mailed them. I think that there's something... Why do we have to put it in terms of that? Because I'm black.

And it's... And it's... And it all comes down to that, to be very honest with you. If you want to see... Yeah, now we're getting honest. If you want to see a litmus test for how this country is going to bend, look at any given moment how it's treating black or working class people. A lot of times white working class people forget their black too.

Then they get a black moment. They're like, oh, shit, we're all in the same boat together. What I mean by that is... When I was a kid, I thought that you couldn't put U.S. Army in ice and shit in American neighborhoods. Yet here we are. What's your fucking name, said, Teago? It's my middle name. And I'm just like, I promise my mom just got off a woman.

wine bottle. I'm not from south of the border. But what... Okay. I think that this country, Sandra said at the end of his last campaign, we need to pay attention to the white working class. A lot of people in my community took that offensively as though he was ignoring us. And he wasn't. What he saw was the white working class was going to turn

a tide, and they did, and they went to the wrong side. And that being realized now, I think that they're going to be looking for another white man. I think he's going to have to identify with some working class. So the Democrats just can... We can't just pick the best person. We have to... Because I feel like when they into this box checking thing.

Yeah. It just leads them astray because, like, Kamala was like, okay, we had to have someone of color, we had to have a woman, and then when she gets the job, then she has to go the other direction and pick as vice president a lame white guy. Weird, super lying white guy. Right?

Okay, so we're always balancing it out instead of just... As someone who's probably worked on more campaigns than I like to admit, We don't really pick our candidates that way. We don't go in and look in a crayon box and say, oh, I can't wait to get that little one. No. We actually have a very rigorous exercise

that involve taking candidates through the early states. And Trump made it through that? Trump can make it through anything. Okay, we know that. But on the Democratic side, yeah, we're going to have a vigorous primary. It's an open season. And you know what happens in open seasons? we get a large number of people who are interested.

So, of course, we're going to have about eight or nine governors, including Mr. Shapiro, possibly Mr. Moore, and maybe Mr. Newsom. We don't know, but there are many governors who are interested in Gretchen Whitman, because I want to mention some of the women. Women are not going to sit back and wait to be called. We are going to continue to march forward.

We might also look at members of Congress. AOC is interested. Maybe Rokana is interested. We have United States senators. Some who've run before, like Klobuchar, like Booker, like Chris Murphy, who might also decide to run. It's going to be an open season. We will have plenty of time to really go through it. But I agree with one thing you said.

It's going to be a great year for Democrats. Because the American people are tired of the overreach. They're tired of the overreach, and they're going to look for alternative. Not just any Democrats. And let me say one last time. I'll get myself in trouble. Please help me out. we're going to have a generational shift in our country.

Democrats have been for years. We like the candidate with the most experienced, most gray hair. Bullshit. We want somebody who is forward-looking, who's young and wrestling, searching for tomorrow with one life to live, because the American people want something different. Did I put it all together for you, baby? As you always do.

And I'm open. Look, and I'm open to dating a young man. I can date anybody now, okay? You know, bring it on. My pot is big enough. I'm not talking about that stuff you're going to do late. I'm talking about... Oh, I know.

I know. I've never seen you blush this much. I... Are you going to smoke weed with us later and keep talking like that? Well, is it legal? No. Yes. No, but I still...

I'm from Georgia. I'm still scared. Yeah, what's up with them trying to ban marijuana now? Like, Trump, we thought more of you. Yeah. Like, they're going to get rid of it? Well, he talked both. He's also said, we're going to change it.

It's not going to be a schedule one anymore. Yeah, let's do that. I like that one. Well, this is, again, why it's good for people like me to talk to him. Yeah. Audrey. But. And you have an open invitation, right?

You have an open invitation to go back to my house? No. Oh, you should? No. I mean, it depends on the week. I mean, you know, he still yells at me. Oh. Yeah, I mean, he doesn't...

He yells at everybody. I know, but... But he's never called you piggy, because I know he wouldn't call you piggy. No, he's called me... Are you kidding? I have a list of 56 insults that he has called me over the years. I brought it to the White House, and he signed it. Yeah.

I mean, it's an amazing document. But... I mean, that list of people... What do you think of somebody way outside the realm? Because I think, I mean, you say they want somebody younger. I think we're like post-politician era. I actually think Stephen A. Smith is kind of realistic. For president?

Yeah. Well, he talks about it. Or people talk about it. No, LeBron fans are going to vote for him. It's not going to be. He's, I love Stephen A. He's won great as a Republican, I think. But I don't think he's run well as a Democrat.

Oh, I do. I do. I think the Democrats need somebody who doesn't give a shit, and that's him, who will say. say the thing. I like him. He talks cash shit. He does. And also, you know what, it is good to have a

Democratic Party, a black person, because they could... Well, why you got to talk about niggas shit? Why? I'll just break you off. I'll just break you off. I'll tell you why. It's the way Obama was able

to be a centrist. Yeah. It's able to be more of a centrist. A black guy. in the Democratic Party. Because Democrats are very, the white Democrats are very afraid of being called racist. That's why we wound up with open borders and stuff like that. And they can, I mean, Stephen A. Smith can go,

have you all lost your goddamn mind? Yeah. In a way that Pritzer cannot. Well, maybe he would add to the sauce. I don't think he has all the necessary spices. I think you've got to think outside the box at this point. I am thinking as far outside as I possibly can't. And I like him.

I like him, especially on ESPN when he talks sports. Just leave my damn New Orleans St. Salon. I know they're shitty, but that's nobody's business for our business. He does bring in, and I award this today, just to show solidarity with the working class in this country. I think he resonates with the working class. And I think, I do think, and the reason I said,

I think that Americans are going to want to lean into someone. He's willing to call Democrats on their shit, too. Charlemagne de God would make a great point. We need that. All right. So we always do this before we have a break. Okay. People rely on us to get the news.

We're not going to be here for a couple of months. So we do the future headlines. We actually can tell you what the headlines are going to be while we're off. Would you like to see? These are the future headlines that we will be seeing. For example, President Trump demands Nobel Peace Prize for ending war on Christmas. You will see. that headline.

Billionaires admit they were bullshitting about leaving New York. Yes, that is absolutely true. They're not going anywhere. Zoran Mandami, speaking fee quadruples, embraces capitalism. Oh.

Yes, I can see that. AI actress blows AI director on AI couch for role in AI movie. Trump demands South America change name to South North America. Ice agents raid nativity scene Oh, please.

Oh, no. One half the people. Makers of OZempeg admit it's just speed. Tylenol unveils Tylenol light with 50% less autism. And Trump claims dog ate the Epstein files like a dog. That's great. Let me throw up one more name out there that you didn't mention, and she was in the news this week.

Michelle Obama, she has a book out, a coffee table book. Yeah. What? I like her. I mean, she said no, though. She said she said she said she said she now. Well, that's what I'm wanted. She said she didn't think the country was ready for.

Well, that's what we have to talk about. I mean, her statement, I was rather shocked by it. She said, as we saw in the past election, sadly, we ain't ready. Okay, to me, this is logical fallacy 101. Just because we weren't ready or didn't like the candidates, Hillary and Kamala, doesn't mean we're not ready for a woman. Maybe. That's why I'm like, don't even look at me about running, because you are all lying.

You're not ready for a woman. You are not, so don't waste my time. You know, we've got a lot of growing up to do, and there are still, sadly, a lot of men who do not feel like they can be led by a woman. I think it's a bad attitude. I do.

I mean, we said we weren't ready for a black president and someone, I can't remember who. Maybe she remembers. Said maybe it just has to be the right one. So maybe we should stop talking about it and just do it, right? I vote for dumb. No, they know.

You talk as shit in the White House like, I love to have you talking to foreign countries. Can I tell you something? I can't stay in the White House. Man, they got an Iron Gate. You know, I got to let loose. You got to let loose.

There's some things you can't hide it. First of all, Bill, America is 250 years old. For 125 of those 250, women did not have the right to vote. Let's start that. So we had to, it's taking us longer to get to the starting line. I do believe that Hillary, what she did in 2016, was 68, million votes, along with Kamala, what she did with 75 million votes, we are ready. 80% of the American people say they are ready.

In fact, over 84% of young people under 30 say they are ready. So the idea that America's not ready is bullshit. They may not be ready for this one or that one. Let me zero in on that second half. A lot of men who do not feel like they can do. be led by a woman. Now let me, that's what she said. Okay. Okay. Trump won the Hispanic vote by one point this last time. Right. And yet, when Biden was the guy, there was a 34 point margin for him. Correct. Okay. So that's a big swing from voting for a man, Biden, for not voting for a woman, Kamala.

And then similarly, there was a 35 point difference in how black men voted in... 24 versus the 2020 election with Biden. So I think this is what she's saying partly. Yeah, yeah. It's like there are certain people, certain. How did white southern women vote? Black guys are kind of tired of being in this debate. We usually vote within points of black women.

So like when that stat gets thrown out, we take the blame in our community. But white southern women are a very peculiar voting block. They'll talk the women's liberation thing. and then their daughters of Confederate soldiers will be the ones who get statues erected in your town. So I would look at the southeast in particular, and I would look at white working class women versus looking at the Hispanic vote overhauling black male votes.

I think that the white working class in this country is going to have to get comfortable with women leadership. And if you're looking at white male podcasts and blogs now, it is a shit show of shitting on women. They, you know, whether it's your tapes or your fresh and fit guys who are of the darker tone, but all of them are taking time, to point and say women are not leaders.

So there's a growing weird sentiment in this country that seems to be against women leadership, but I come out of the community where everything is pretty much matriarchal anyway. So I trust a woman to lead. The question is, can you convince white working class people who do the same? To your point, in the last election on November 4th,

women won gubernatorial. We now have 14 female governors, which is the largest ever. So the American people are showing that they are going to support women, candidates. And by the way, the first lady said this the day after election, when you saw a woman become the mayor of Detroit, Motown got some kick now, Syracuse, Albany. Women were winning all over the country. So I think the future is women. We need to encourage more women to run.

We need to get more women in the pipeline. And like Mexico, Sri Lanka, Namibia, Japan, we're going to see a female president. And guess what, Bill? I'm going to make sure you get invited to the You can be my date because I'm going to tell you something. I know the dates you will bring can't last as long as I do. I pour some. Let me stop because I don't want to bring you home right now. I got my dog at the hotel. I don't know if I want to.

In Missouri's particular. You think that would be the deal breaker? Oh, hell yeah. Okay. So let me ask you about education. It's going to be a big issue. Linda McMahon, as the Department of Education Secretary.

She was talking this week about now, we know the Republicans have wanted to shut it down since 1979. Correct. When it was founded. So it's not been there forever. Not long. Okay. She said it's mostly a pass-through for funds that are

best managed by the states. This stuff does not sound too unreasonable to me. She does it would not mean ending federal support for education. funding for low-income students, students with disabilities. That predates the education department, and that would continue, as would, protecting students' civil rights. New York Magazine had an article that came out today.

It's called The Big Fail. Here's the quote that had on the cover. Student achievement has fallen off a cliff, and neither Trump nor the pandemic is to blame. Why do we need the Department of Education if it is dead? done such a shitty job. Kids don't come out of school. First of all, they can't read or do math anymore,

and they don't know anything. I mean, if we went to the Blue Flame tonight... We... Let's. All those girls working their way through college, they deserve some money for their education. But don't ask them about the three branches again. But, I mean, I really do feel like the Democratic Party,

this has been their portfolio for a long time education. Right. Okay. So I feel like they, if they're going to get back into office, they have to own this issue a little. Because a lot of the states that are doing better now are like the southern states. Really? Which one?

Mississippi. Mississippi's been better than Louisiana? See, you're in a bubble. I'm in a bubble. You didn't get that story. Well, I'm glad Mississippi is doing better and I hope Alabama. But look, I don't believe that this is a Democrat or a Republican problem. This is a whole of society, okay?

I mean, we have put a lot of weight and a lot of pressure on our teachers to do the job that our parents and our communities should also be doing. I am a proud graduate of America's public schools. I'm grateful for the support. It's the great equalizer. Have they fallen short in some areas? Yes. But to dismantle a huge federal department and to create all this confusion that the labor department is going to do this, Interior is going to take over indigenous diss, we still don't know what is the next step with dismal and education.

know is that we've made a lot of improvements, but we have a long way to go before we have a society where everybody get a head start and an equal start in life. What an improvement? Well, we've got to fund them and we've got to give teachers the money they deserve. We need to stop start changing teachers. I agree. I like

Donham a product of public school education and uniquely in Atlanta, I'm from a city that's majority black. Majority of the schools are named four and inspired by black revolutionaries, black educators. I went to Frederick Douglass High School. Our rival high school was Benjamin E. Mays High School.

Benjamin E. Mays was president of Morales College. Of course, the famous college Dr. King went to. These schools had a great rivalry because you had working-class kids at school with working-class kids, poor kids, and rich kids. All these kids are black, but they have to sharpen their skills against one another. There was a spirit of competition. Before 79 and before education went strictly to test-taking and reading writing arithmetic, they also had trades in their schools.

At the time, Dr. King went to Book to Washington High School. he not only had to learn reading, writing, arithmetic, he had to learn how to poster a chair about how to build something on a hammer. Our educational system needs to look back into when we were successful. And prior to 79, you had everything from archery in schools to track.

Physical fitness was there. You had art and music, which Reagan sat down in the 80s. So both sides have done, but you have to look at Democrats, I think, on a local level, and say, we need to do a better job. And that starts by saying, we fucked up. We fucked up by becoming test-taking centers. Well, no child left behind, left a lot of kids

behind. School choice pulled the best premium kids out of public schools and left them alone together. And then you got a bunch of kids who were aspirationally wanted to be better, but they didn't have a kid next to them saying, you can do it, who already understood calculus. So we failed our kids. And as in adults, we need to say, pay teachers more, get teachers the lowest home loans you can possible to live in their districts. Teachers, police, and environment, I believe, because these are some strong civil surgeon cornerstones. Our principals need to stay there for longer tenues. When Frederick Douglass High School, only had two principals and had been in existence 40 years.

They were a national school of excellence putting out kids anything from athletics to academics. The minute they went to seven principals within 11 years, they started to fall. So we are failing public schools in this country, both parties. We need to recommit on a very local level. We need to stop being test-taking centers. We need to re-enter trades back into the schools and prepare our children from real life, including financial literacy as young as fifth, sixth grade, versus what we're doing now. Sounds like he's running.

And I support that. I mean, we need a apprenticeship program. I was talking to my brother, and he said, I'm going to tell my son, if he can't finish up the math, go and get a trade. So we need it all in above. My son is currently a trade school. Shouts out the pony boy.

You're saying we shouldn't test? Is that what you said in there? No, we testing should not be the fact. There was a, there was enough. They stopped testing, and it got worse. No, no, no. Testing has become the only thing. that teachers worry about because it determines how much money comes in.

So the administration is pressing them. There was a huge... Some colleges now that a lot of the ivies have gone back to testing, but before they did. Yeah, they ain't told that the black kids yet. My baby still had to take the ACT and the SAT. Okay. My accountant, though, God bless his soul,

had his child deemed autistic and he didn't have to. So he was smarter than me. I wish I would have known that earlier. I would just tell my child, just say you're crazy like your auntie. We'll get in. But shouts out with my baby at half the university. But what I'm saying is the no child left behind and the focus on already meeting test marks

did away with education. True education is when a teacher has a classroom of children and they're determined to find the talents of those children after meeting our base writing, reading, and arithmetic things and saying what talent will send you to the next level? And we are not doing that anymore in this country. Okay. Well, we're going to do it here starting again next year,

but right now it's time for new rules, everybody. The final new rules. of the year. Okay. New World, the next time the Russian tech company Idol tries to showcase their AI-powered humanoid robot, they have to try and make it look a little less like every drunk girl who's ever passed out at the club.

This is not the way of the future. This is the way to make your Uber drivers say, no sorry and drive off. New old Pete Hegseth has to explain why all the names of his military operations sound like gay porn titles. Operation Rough Rider.

Operation Midnight Hammer. Operation Southern Spear. Those don't sound like attack plans. They sound like the pay-per-view charges on Lindsey Graham's hotel bill. Neural, instead of coming up with endless new flavors for Doritos, think about this. Take the existing flavor of Dorito and make every Dorito in the bag taste good. Unlike now, when every eighth one has flavor and the others, you just eat because they're already in your mouth.

How hard can it be? It's paprika, not changing the quotas at Harvard. Neural, respect, where respect is due. The kids wanted to come up with something that just fuck with adults for no reason, and they knocked it out of the park with their stupid, pointless, meaningless catchphrase 6-7. Even getting Dictionary.com to say it's impossible to define. And we're all still trying to figure out exactly what it means. Hey, dictionary.com, you're a dictionary, telling us what words mean is the whole point of you existing.

It's like if you turned down the GPS in your car and it said, shit, we're lost. No, Ro, you can't put a headline that reads, Jelly Roll is unrecognizable after 200-pound weight loss right above a picture that makes me say, hey, look, it's Jelly Roll. He's still 350. No one's mistaking him for Ariana Grande.

Please, Daddy's working. If you really want to fool me with a celebrity, I won't recognize. Show me Kanye's wife with clothes on. And finally, new rule, happy Thanksgiving. I can't believe that even that now is a political issue. It is a real shame what's happened to this holiday, which used to be all about the good Fs, food, friends, family, football, fun.

And now it's, fuck you. You're not even invited because you voted for the wrong person. I'm so tired of liberals ghosting half this country. Conservatives do it too, but not nearly as much. Look, whoever's doing it, it's got to stop, because we're at a point now where politics has broken up more families than letting your wife see your phone. Now, on the liberal side, there's two camps now.

We need to keep talking to people wing. and the go-no-contact wing. That's what they call it now. Go-no-contact. This belief that Trump voters, even if it's your own parents, are too deplorable for human contact and must be cut off.

You know, like Scientologists do to suppressive people. A former speechwriter for Obama named David Litt wrote an op-ed this year called, Is it time to stop snubbing your right-wing family? Where he admitted he'd had a change of heart, and that was the wrong approach.

So, of course, and the woke wing tried to banish him for breaking ranks on their policy of hating people who don't agree with you on everything, because what fun is life if you're not cutting somebody off? Mr. Litt asked the question, what has all this banishing accomplished? Oh, I know, I know. A second helping of MAGA, that's what. Molly McNerney, Jimmy Kimmel's wife and head writer, went public on this topic recently, so I feel it's fair to comment respectfully in public.

She says she's lost relationships with relatives because she wrote them an email before the election with ten reasons why they shouldn't vote for Trump. And some still didn't obey. So, you know, ten reasons. I can think of a hundred. But I would never present it to someone as an ultimatum. Ultimatums don't make people rethink their politics. They make them rethink you. Somewhere along the world.

my values became code for I'm the only one with the moral compass. You know it would have been a better exercise? Write a top 10 list to yourself, where you try to imagine 10 reasons why 77 million Americans didn't want to trust you with taking power. And I say that as someone who votes Democratic, as I like to remind my very pure friends, we voted for the same person.

You're just why she lost. Can we please try to remember especially at this time of year that most people don't decide their politics. They inherit them. It's about where you grew up in America, what your parents taught you, your life experiences, your religion.

Marjorie Taylor Green of Georgia was here recently, and I was amazed by the number of people who reached out after the show to say, wow, I kind of like her. Yeah, that's been my line for a while. Everyone's a monster till you talk to them. On our overtime segment that night,

someone asked about the alien spaceship, maybe you've been reading about it, the 3-1 Atlas Comet that's headed to Earth and will arrive on December 19th to wipe out all life as we know it. It's a joke, don't mind. And when I quoted people in our own Defense Department who had said, well, hold on,

what you think might be aliens, actually could be fallen angels or demons. Marjorie agreed, saying, absolutely. She said, I'm a Christian conservative, angels and demons, that's what we believe. Okay, I think that's nuts. But you know what? So is,

is this a girl or a boy? I can't tell by its penis. I'm not going to go through wokeism's greatest hits now, but, you know, the safetyism, the open borders, queers for Palestine, whatever this was. I mean, I

I could go on, really. There's a lot of stuff. The other side has their top 10 list, too, and some of it's pretty hard to argue with. And I know, I know the president of the United States called a woman Piggy this week, and you're a better person than me because you hate it more than I do. But I hate it, too, really, as well as a thousand other things about the Trump administration. I never stopped pointing out on this show. But I'm an adult, and in the real world, there's some people you just can't stop talking. to, like your spouse or partner after a bad fight, tempting as that is, like your dick of a boss, like your family, and like the president of the United States. This is so childish, so purely emotional, the people who got all butt hurt because I had dinner with them, you know, because he's Hitler. Except he's not, so unhelpful and dumb. Trump is the most supportive,

President Israel and the Jews ever had. You know, every year I used to ask Larry David to do real time, and he'd always say, Bill, I can't. I'm not smart enough about politics to do your show. Yeah, I get that now. Because there is no argument here. There's just the sugar rush that the no-contact people get from never coming in second in an eye-hunt hate Trump the most contest.

Really? That's your strategy to go full high school? Tell the guy with all the power, he can't sit with you at the lunch table. To borrow a phrase familiar to HBO viewers, you are not serious people. I mean, what exactly is the argument that by talking to Trump, I'll elevate him? Oh my God, don't tell me he could become president. Well, I guess, ma'am, Donnie is going to elevate Trump because he went to the White House today. And look who's getting along now.

This guy, MBS was at the White House this week. Biden thought he could cut him off, but a year later he found out he couldn't. There's no perfect way to deal with Trump, but not engaging is for sure nothing. Axios wrote a column in August entitled 11 ways to influence Trump, based on many interviews with people who have done that. Number eight, get face to face. The trick is getting in the room, away from cameras and social media. Trump will say or write horrible things, but rarely in person one-on-one,

where he comes off kinder, more interested, less erratic. Exactly. And there's a bunch of examples of this, most recently the CEO of Intel, who Trump was hating on, but then he met in person and now he's a great guy. Trump was going to send the National Guard to San Francisco, but somebody talked him out of that. Kim Kardashian, for fuck's sake, convinced him to sign legislation. Don't you get it?

Do you really not get it at this point? Everything with him is done through personal relationships. He's a people guy. Trust me, he's not at home at night pouring over the briefing books. This is government by people as saying. If anything, we need more people like me having dinner with him. You complain he's surrounded by ass-kissers, but your strategy is to make sure no one but ass-kissers are around him.

You are not serious people. Hey, Rachel Maddow went to Dick Cheney's funeral yesterday. We can do this, people. It's Thanksgiving. Do yourself a favor, get over yourself, and go have it with your family. Thank you very much for a great. season you are the best audience every week these days i appreciate it so much thank you hbo my wonderful staff we're back after the holidays on january 23rd i want to thank killer mike don't

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