Real Time with Bill Maher - Ep. #726: Kara Swisher, Rahm Emanuel, Jake Sullivan

Episode Date: April 18, 2026

Bill’s guests are Kara Swisher, Rahm Emanuel, Jake Sullivan (Originally aired 4/17/26 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO late-night series Real Time with Bill Maugh. Thank you so much. I appreciate you being here. Thank you. Oh, wow. Thank you so much, so much to get to.

So much to get to. Listen, if you're the kind of person who will only get your news from this show, as you should. So much. Just from week to week, I mean, a couple of weeks ago, because Iran would not open the straight of her movement. who've been following this. Trump threatened to destroy civilization,

at least their civilization. Well, now we've pivoted. Okay, good. We have a whole new plot into this. Trump said Iran can't blockade the strait of Hermuz. You know why? Because we're doing it. He cannot destroy the world economy.

That's our job. So, whatever. Good news. Good news. Trump said today, traffic is moving in the Persian Gulf. and if it works there, we're going to try it on the 405. But, okay, so Iran, I think, has called their blockade off, but our blockade is still on, which means,

oh, fuck it, why write a joke about this? It'll be obsolete before I get to the punchline. But here's what Trump tweeted out today. This is interesting. This is word for word. He said, it has been my honor to solve nine wars, and this will be my tenth. And ten is very exciting.

exciting, we see, it means the next one is free. Also, also, good news. Trump says that Iran has agreed to turn over their enriched uranium. They said they agreed very powerfully to turn over their rich uranium.

Of course, the hard part here is informing Iran that they agreed to this. That is never something we know for sure. And apparently there's a peace trip, well, a ceasefire, not a peace treaty, a ceasefire in Lebanon. Thank you, one lady, between Israel and Hezbollah. Hezbollah could tell something what's going on because their patriots were blowing up. Oh, I kid Hezbollah.

They're a wonderful group. So, we have a ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon. We have a ceasefire between Trump and Iran and fingers. we might even have one between Trump and the Pope. Because that's the other... Oh, have you seen that? They are... Oh, beefing.

That is a full-on rap war going on between Trump and the Pope. I don't know who to wrote for in this one. I really don't. I mean, I don't like the old white guy with the real estate empire, but I have my issues with Trump, too. It's so busy.

Trump. He's always going to Trump. He's just going to, you can't stop. Whoever he gets into a fight with, it's always the same. So, you know what he said about the Pope the other day? He's weak on crime. Yeah, because he's not a detective in Detroit. He's weak on crime.

Popes don't fight crime. Have you seen their record on pedophilia? I mean, it's not great. I love hypocritical America. I really do. See, liberals suddenly love the Pope. The Pope, who two weeks ago, all in the headlines. You know why?

Exorcisms. Yeah, this big thing about, we got to exorc-the demons are all around. The devil. That's who the fucking Pope is, okay? A guy who does exorcism, doesn't believe in gay marriage, no women, priests, but now, because he's feuding with Trump, MSNBC, loves this guy. He's got a big speech on the floor

from Chuck Schumer. Eric Swalwell sent him a dick pick. Oh, yes. That's... Big... Big story here in California. The front-runner for the... The governor was Eric Swalwell, Congressman Eric Swalwell, and he has dropped out of the race. Five women came forward now and accused him of terrible sexual stuff. He denies it, of course.

But, you know, people are furious because they say this was kind of an open secret going on and why. People knew this. I think they're right. I think the signals were everywhere. Like, you know how politicians always wear the flag pin? He had an eggplant emoji. I mean... So he has...

He has also now stepped down as a congressman. He's not even there anymore because, you know, it turns out first one woman comes forward, then it's four, then it's five. Turns out he hit on a lot of women. And also once in a dark cocktail lounge, Christy Noem's husband. But that's a different... So he is completely gone, but before he left, he did apologize to the 11 million women voters in California and invited them all to his hotel room. You've got a great show. We have Ambassador, former Ambassador,

Ram Emanuel, and former National Security Advisor. Wow. Jake Sullivan. But first up, she's an award-winning podcast hostess' new CNN series. Kara Swisher wants to Live Forever air Saturday nights at 9 on CNN. Karas Wisher. Hey, you. How are you?

I'll see you. All right, yeah. How you doing? Yeah, how you doing? Well, I'd like to live forever, too. Would you also? I really enjoyed that. You know, a lot of people...

Eric's wallow joke was asking. A lot of people, when you say that to... Say, no, I don't. Yeah. You know, I don't get that. I think it's how happy you are. I think if your life is going along pretty good, like, I could do this. You know, I don't want to die almost the playoffs.

Uh-huh. Okay. You know, the things I like in life, I like. Yeah. I wouldn't mind doing them forever. Maybe in a thousand. years. I'd be like, she's another crossword puzzle, but right now I like it. But we are getting, I mean, look, we are, we are at a certain age where we have more yesterdays than tomorrow.

Yes, that's correct. Thank you. That's so poetic. Well, I'm not the first one to say that, but that's what it is. And I love your special, I saw the early cut, because, you know, you kind of weave your own ideas about mortality with your expertise on Silicon Valley, which I've been reading for years at the guys in Silicon Valley, the tech grows and the billionaires, they really think between their money, which is in orbit, and their expertise in technology,

they can live forever. Or at least a facsimile very long, and then they can preserve themselves in some fashion after they're gone. Or their meat sacks, as Elon Musk is referred to, as opposed to other sacks. Right.

So what do you make of this? Do you think this is elitist? Do you think this is, I do. I do. And one of the things, it's interesting just to get at the heart of psychologically why they're doing. And, of course, if they hack this, they hack social, they hack politics, they hack technology, they can hack health. And that's been in their heads forever. And some efforts, like, I have to say Larry Ellison's doing some really interesting things around an institute. And then some of it gets to be like Brian Johnson, who's well known for that, right? I had him on my podcasts. I like Brian.

Yes, he's actually, it's an interesting journey. Explain who Brian is because he's one of your episodes about him. He actually showed up at one of my conferences talking about brain health. This was in 2017, and he looked relatively normal. I think what he looks like now is interesting, I suppose. And he has started to experiment on his body to see how much longevity he could get, how much health he could get, how it can... The word they like to use is optimize themselves.

They want to optimize themselves. And let's be clear, not with exotic means. Sometimes. What do you consider... Well, he injects himself with stem cells, which is... He goes to Mexico to do that. He goes to the stream. He, you know, he measures his erections at night and stuff.

And he is constantly. But mostly it's because he just lives this Spartan life. Well, I mean, he goes to bed. Yes. You know, like exactly the same time when I eight o'clock. That was the perfect time to go to bed. He only eats, not in any interesting. No, it's like nuts berries, olive oil.

Right. And I asked him because he said, you know, you can measure your biological age versus your real age. Right. I mean, I have a thing on my fun app that can do that. I think you did it in one area. I did, as a joke. Right. Why is a joke?

Because it's not accurate. It's just a game. A lot of this stuff is game. You know, you have to real testing to do that. Well, I don't know. I mean, they have a lot of ways to test you by. Anyway, Brian's, I think was, he's, right. At the time I talked to him, I think he was 46, but his biological age was 41.

I said to him, he lived like a monk, and you shave six years off. I live like David Crosby. I shaved three. Right, exactly. So one of the things, you know, I don't have an issue because, you know, when he came to code, he talked a lot about brain health and he had depression issues and everything else. But what's interesting is he's spending $2 million a year to do this. And thinking that it's going to help humanity, I think, in his head.

And it's not, I mean, it's an experiment of one. And that's what's, you know, and he says it himself. He's like, he goes, I know everyone thinks I'm a narcissistic, Patrick Bateman-style motherfucker. And it looks like that. And so where does it help everybody else? And that's what I wanted to work out. I actually like it that he's doing that. Really?

Well, I know I'm a little. I can call him up and ask him, what is the latest data? I mean, he calls himself the most studied human being ever. Well, he calls himself a rejuvenation athlete. Well, whatever he's doing, I'm not going to do it. No. Like, I'm not going to measure my erections. Well.

Not that way, anyway. It's a different way you can measure with it. They're still working. It's just an experiment of one. And so I think what's interesting is there's all this amazing thing happening all over the place. And then you have all this noise of sort of wellness grifters. And I don't consider them a wellness grifter necessarily. There's always supplements involved with these people or something they're selling to you.

And so there's all this misinformation about health online that people are availing themselves to. And then there's, you know, all this sort of panic about longevity. And then there's some really amazing things happening. And so I wanted to sort of look at the juxtaposition and start with Steve Jobs, who gave a famous speech. about mortality and how death was the single greatest invention of life, which was very different than these guys who were like, I am a God, I'm going to live forever. And so I wanted to sort of explore that part,

because I think Steve, I'm more on the Steve Jobs side of this place. But I'm sure he didn't want to die when he did. He absolutely didn't. And I interview his son, who's trying to do a lot of stuff using lots of technology to end cancer, different cancers that he's doing. And I think that's sort of great, or what Mark Cuban's doing, trying to bring down prescription drug crisis. or even McKenzie Scott

who just gave a hundred and some million dollars to Meals on Wheels, that's going to help older people live longer. I want to see what can work for the rest of us and not just this very elite, rich group of people. I agree, but since they have

the money, that's who's going to do the experimenting. I mean, I want to know why Steve Jobs, of all people, got pancreatic cancer. It does not seem like the type. It just says to me, we still don't shit about cancer. Right.

So that should be accompanied by not cutting funding to academic. Yes, of course. But we're doing that. We are so behind, the funding cuts that are happening at colleges and universities, which was the original place where a lot of these things happen that these guys could avail themselves to, that's been devastating, you know. And then there's all these manner of things that just need gold standard tests so the rest of us can participate in this.

And that's all I'm saying is that a lot of this health and longevity stuff is for a very small group of people who don't really care about the wide population. And one of the things that I know, everyone's like, what's the one thing you should do to live longer? Don't be poor, be rich. Right. It's the number one thing. The second one, universal health care.

We need it for everyone at a base level. And the third thing, oddly enough, is friends and family, which there's a lot of scientific proof showing the isolation, loneliness, et cetera, from digital, which is sort of the thing I've been talking about for a long time, is really deleterious to people's health. in some ways. And we should be thinking about social connections, and COVID really broke us in many ways. And one of them was the connections between people. And that's really important, too.

There's so many books out about, you know, how to be healthy. And I really feel like they all should be called no shit. No shit. Right. You know, it's like... I agree. I agree. Don't be lonely. Right. You know, don't eat like a child.

Right. Don't eat like a child, right? You know, just... But look, the other thing I wanted to pick your brain about is this GLP. GLP 1. Okay, which Ozzypic is the most famous thing. One of them, yeah. There's Majaro. Okay.

I've been skeptical from the beginning. You seemed less so. I'm less so because I've talked to a lot of actual scientists. Did you see the articles that were out this week? I did in the Washington Post show. Okay. I've been hearing this on the low for a while. On the low?

Yes. I'll tell you after the show. All right. Okay. Somebody you would know. Okay. All right. Somebody like that who has a lot of money, big tech, blah, blah, blah.

And said, you know, he's been hearing. And in his company also, they don't like their employees on this stuff. Oh, you don't work hard enough for the man? They don't. Okay, it takes away your craving for food and maybe substance abuse. Yeah. Also kind of for success and sometimes for living and for being motivated. They get kind of loggy, you know.

Well, maybe living to work all the time and that may not be such a bad thing, right? I mean, they would love everyone to work for them as long as they could. Well, there's a happy medium between... Absolutely. But, you know, oddly enough, there's a really... Michael Pollan wrote a book where he was talking about coffee. Coffee got really popular in push because they used to drink during lunch. Everyone used to drink and then not come back to work.

And that made them lugee, right? But then coffee kept people going. Coffee's a drug, too, and it may be... Some parts is good, some parts is bad. And so to me, look, that may be. He's not getting the work he wants out of his people. So sorry, rich person. I'm not that...

Don't feel victimized here. But what I am worried about is obesity and the way people die of things that are unnecessary. And I'm not talking about just measles, which is insane that people are getting measles these days. The cholera is next, I guess. Then we can move on to polio, all these solved diseases. And then the plague, of course. But one of the things that we have to understand is obesity is one of these things that we could fix. And then we combine it with good nutrition, figuring things out around exercise and getting

people the food they need and stuff like that. And so it's a step in the direction, but it's not a solution, but it certainly will start to bring down, which is a diabetic industrial complex in this country. And that's another issue we have to start finding. If it works, and it makes people less motivated to go to work and hang out with their friends, I'm fine with that. I'm perfectly fine. Well, it's a terrific special. I hope people watch it on CNN. Thank you. What do you do for your health? Let me, I'm curious. What do you? I'm not married. Okay.

That's a longevity. Let's just leave it there. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Please don't die anytime soon. We love having you here. Gara Swisher, everybody.

All right. Let's meet our panel. Hey, guys. All right. He is co-host of the Long Game Podcast, professor at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government and former national security advisor under President Biden.

Jake Sullivan, Jake. Great to have you with us. He is the former White House Chief of Staff, mayor of Chicago, and U.S. Ambassador to Japan under President Biden, Rom, Emmanuel. What a resume we have here. All right. So, let's get the war out of the way first.

I do want to talk about the... We've got two former Biden officials here. So we're going to talk about the Democrats. So buckle up. Previously on real time. I was mentioning that I was for this shot at Iran to try to take out this regime. We won't have to go through all the reasons.

You've heard them all for six weeks now. Whether you agree you don't. We missed the window, is my view. I thought we should have done it when they were in the streets in January protesting. That was the time to do the bombing. Okay, so we missed. So last week I was saying, okay, I don't want this to go on forever now.

Okay, we tried, it didn't work, let's pivot. He did. I'm going to take the good news. It's better that we're in an economic war than a bombing war at this point. Can we agree on that? Yes. Oh, fuck. We can definitely agree.

Say yes. What the fuck? It's definitely better. It's definitely better. But like my view, where do we go back and get our reputation? Where do we go back and get actually where America was beforehand? So this decision doesn't come cost-free. Does not come cost-free. It's better that we have an economic conflict

rather than just military and kinetic. At worst, it might come out that what we have done is said to Iran after 47 years of this nonsense. You just can't do it with impunity. Okay, maybe we didn't get rid of the regime. But at least we put you on notice. You just can't do the shit you've been doing. I mean, I think the...

So it seems to me the main lesson that Iran has taken from this war is they can now shut down the straight of poor moves, and the United States will look at that as a source of leverage for Iran. That used to be a theoretical possibility. Now it's an actual reality. And even when they just said, we're going to open the strait, the Revolutionary Guard came out and said, you have to come through Iranian waters, you have to go in the order we tell you, maybe you even have to pay a quiet toll, and we'll decide down the road whether we want to close it up again. That is what Iran got

out of this war. Where are we right now? This is a Pacific time about 430 on Friday. Trump said, fully open and ready for full passage earlier in the day, and then, no, not that, later, until such time as our transaction with Iran is 100% complete. I don't know what that means. But now we're a transaction. We're going to destroy your civilization, and now we're... Can I pick up one thing, Jason? Yeah, yeah. We went in to deal with their nuclear capacity.

They discovered in the war that they have a nuclear option called the Strait of Hermuz. That is not a minor thing. Second, as all our Gulf allies look at us and said, you are not who we thought you were going to be from a protection standpoint and from the capacity. This has had real damage on the credibility. The Gulf allies liked that we did this. Well, the Saudis wanted us to finish.

They wanted us to finish if we didn't do that. The other thing is, I mean, I think in this process, probably the one thing you do have is the ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon. That's the one thing. That was traded for the Strait of Hmoos. We'll see how it comes out. Let's go to the adjacent topic that just happened. No, I have to explain this because it's too convoluted to understand.

The Senate rejected a measure to block the sale of military equipment to Israel. I wouldn't know what that means unless I stopped and thought about it. What it means is this is a democratic idea. This is Bernie Sanders. This is the Democrats wanting to stop, and this is not charity to Israel. This is the sale of military equipment. This is the Democrats saying, we're not going to sell Israel any more military equipment. seven Democrats joined the Republicans in shooting this down.

So Israel has seven Democratic allies left in the Senate. Well, first of all, it's not just Bernie Sanders. As you know, it's 40 Democrats who voted for this. And basically what they said was... Only seven allies. It was pretty straightforward. And I talked to a number of them before the vote. I think they did the right thing.

Why? Because the President of the United States... Who did the right thing? Those 40 Democrats. The 40? Yeah, because the President of the United States and the Prime Minister of Israel brought the United States. United States into a war that basically was misbegotten from the beginning, which cost American

credibility, cost American lives, and cost American families at the gas pump. And basically, those Democrats shouldn't vote for anything that supports that war, including more weapons to Israel. I think that's just a basic proposition. If you are not wanting to support the U.S. and Israel continuing the war in Iran, you shouldn't be voting to send more weapons to Israel. I think that that is the right approach for those 40 Democrats to take. Oh, I see why Biden lost. My view on this whole thing is the Senate shouldn't be in the business of picking which weapons.

No more U.S. military, a financial assistant by the taxpayers for Israel. You're a country like all other allies of ours, Japan, South Korea, the Brits, the Germans. You're going to pay full price. You buy what you want, but you have to buy by the laws. That should be it. I don't think the Senate should be in the place of playing Solomon. that weapon, not that weapon. No more U.S. taxpayer support.

It's not where Israel was 20 years ago, not where... And I was in the room when we... President Obama, largest assistance was under President Obama. We did the funding for the Iron Dome. But here, the days of taxpayers subsidizing Israel militarily, that's over. No more financial aid. Maybe they can afford it on their own. They can afford it.

Okay, well, let's take the money part out of it. But shouldn't we just back them as our ally in this area? I mean, I feel like the Democratic politicians are not leading. I think what happened with the... Well, that's not a shock. Okay. But shouldn't they be telling their constituents who seem to be following what their children do

by watching TikTok. That seems to be the position of the Democratic Party. By the way, I think that's a problem with the Democratic Party in general. They act with the voting populace, the same they're with their children. They don't tell them they're being dumb sometimes. and they should tell them, instead of just letting them have this idea. I mean, Ari Fleischer said when it comes to anti-Semitism,

the Republicans have a cold, and the Democrats have a fever. A fever. Let me say this. There's a one Jew at this table. Let me try to go ahead and here. I'm a serious note. Look, I think that you say just put the money aside. I think that's the core issue here.

We don't subsidize Great Britain buying weapons. We don't supply or financial assistance to Japan. Israel is a very wealthy nation. There should be no more taxpayer support for what they want to do. And they get the same deal that any one of our allies do. They have to abide by the laws of the United States if they're going to buy X weapons. And that's how it should be constructed. Now, I happen to also agree in this situation, we got ourselves,

which is in violation of a rule Israel's had for 78 years. The United States, they never said the United States should never spill any blood for the state of Israel's security. What happened here going into Iran with the United States and Israel fighting together, which has never happened in 78 years, is a major change in policy for the state of Israel, which comes with political risk, and now they're seeing it. So you don't think their fight is our fight? Some fights are.

It doesn't mean we put our reputation and everything of the United States on it. Jake's point, and I agree with this, is the prime minister went to this president like he's gone to four other presidents. And every one of the other presidents said, not a chance of we doing that because the equities are not worth it. This president bought it. He has responsibilities of commander-in-chief, and I think he made a big mistake for it. We have similar interests, but they're not 100% in the line.

And I think this is a really important point, because in this war, it is definitely the case that our interest diverged. Israel, at the end of the day, would just prefer absolute chaos in Iran. Even if chaos meant the collapse of the state, not for the benefit of the Iranian people, life worse for them, big refugee flows, Iran acting out throughout the region, that would be fine for Israel because that makes Israel more secure. That is not fine for the United States of America, where we need global stability. We need a global economy that can move energy so that a gas doesn't go to $6, $7, $8 a gallon here in California. So I think our interests diverged. And when they diverge, then the United States, the president, the Senate, any American leaders got to say,

we're standing up for the United States' interest in this case. Where they converge, we should work together. But where they diverge, we should diverge. I think Israel wanted the same thing we did. They wanted no nukes. They wanted a regime change. They wanted an uprising of the people. They didn't want chaos.

They were willing to put, they were willing to suffer that as opposed to having Iran be what they have been for all these years. They're mortal enemy trying to wipe them out and chanting death to America and death to Israel. I mean, they're not kidding with this death to. It's not just a saying. But here's the thing. After June, you take the dual line on a sheet of paper. Here, after June, Iran was seen as weak.

They lost Syria. They lost Hezbollah. And they were backed up. and they had to kill 40,000 of their citizens to stay in power. That is where you wanted them. Now they have the straight of her moves, and they're holding the entire world economy hostage. There is, you know, there's two decisions that go into the Oval Office,

bad and worse, and you have to have judgment to pick from it, and I don't think the president actually has that judgment. Okay, so let's move on to the Democrats. I got one big. What? Let's go. Let's go. Well, you know, I mean, I hear that you're going to be the lightning, right?

I hear this. Somebody called you, it's going to be your campaign that you have not announced, but I assume you will be soon, yes. It's good wine. Thank you. Somebody described it's going to be a rolling sister-soldier moment. Want to tell the people what that means, and is it going to be that? I hope so. Well, let me say this. The Democratic Party, taking 2024, going back to 2020, invited a bunch of cultural wars into our kids' schools, we lost that war. I mean, here in California, up in San Francisco, they were arguing and voted to

take Abraham Lincoln's name off of a high school, not whether they were worried about whether the kids know why Abraham Lincoln was such an icon in the school was named after him. They lost the plot. They totally lost the plot, and they lost the American people in that plot. And when you're going to make a mistake, I'm going to call it out your consequence for that. The cultural awards was a mistake. One thing the American people want from us is when their backs are up against the wall. they want us to show up and help them, not argue about Latinx as a term, not argue about defunding the police

in some situations, or more importantly, letting the border get out of control. We actually have to show respect for the American people of their primary concerns and help them. As I jokingly say, you know,

they weren't very good in the family room, not very good in the kitchen. The only room we were good in was the bathroom and it's the smallest room in the house. It's nuts. Bathroom meaning those issues that centered around who could use what bathroom when. Well, schools were closed for two years, and we finally opened them.

The whole debate wasn't about reading scores, mass scores, was about bathroom access. Okay, so this sounds exactly like the kind of shit I've been saying for years. Yeah. But I'm not running for office. So I don't have to and never do wilt when the other side attacks me for being insufficiently woke. My question is, who's going to be the politician who doesn't wilt in saying this? Will it be you, Rob Emanuel? It sounds like a lamp, Rob.

Because somebody has to. Because I'm telling you, when they come back at you, I mean, you just messed with a hornet's nest there. Yeah, I'm still standing. I was 6'2 before that, but I'm only 5'8 now. But here's the thing. I don't care. I mean, if you think, I mean, I'll say this,

nobody looks at this and goes, well, there's weak and woke. I'm going to say what I think has to get done. How you have to focus on moving the country forward? went down to Mississippi. They went from 49th to 9th and reading. A lot of interest groups don't want to talk about it. We mess this up in our party. We used to be really great about education.

We've lost it because we're not focused on the primary thing. Saw something today. One out of four children missing 18% of the school year. And we're not talking about it. We're worried about names of schools, bathrooms, locker room access. Get back to what matters. Why do parents move to a neighborhood? Because that's a good school for the kid.

If you focus on it, guess what? People are going to support you. If you don't focus on it, they're going to walk away from you. Bill, you made a point earlier about TikTok. It was to disagree with us, so that wasn't great. But it was, I think, a very powerful point. Because leadership matters a lot, but why is this all happening? A lot of it is happening because of social media.

And the extremes aren't just pulling on the Democratic side. They're pulling on the Republican side, too. Extreme voices are dominating the online discourse, and it means common sense, rational people are having a really hard time finding a way to talk to one another and build common ground. And I think until we get after that problem, in addition to putting candidates forward who are common sense and prepared to take the bullets, that is going to be a huge challenge for us. And that is not a democratic problem. That is an American problem.

Here is the thing that Democrats have to, in my view, take note of. Gavin Newsom in California, Blue State, goes up 10 points taken on redistricting, which I have to. of support. Abigail in Virginia takes on redistricting in a purplish state goes down 10 points. Governor Mikey Sherrill in New Jersey doesn't touch politics, focused on affordability, and she's at 57%. She's actually held where she was from when she got elected just about six months ago. The notion is don't allow daylight between us and moderate to independent voters. The moment that happens, you're going to win blue states, but you're going to lose the purple states. and in every presidential for the last three, every presidential, seven states, 500,000 people decide.

This is on a nice edge, and we better be smart as a party and not tick off a bunch of swing independent voters who are going to determine whether we win the Oval Office or not. Okay. Let me move on to this issue which got a lot of people upset on both sides. Trump posted a picture, reposted something. I guess it was AI gender. of him, which a lot of people said look like Jesus. Now, I'm sure you saw this.

He said, no, that's him as a doctor. In biblical robes with divine light coming out of his hands, as doctors do. But, you know what? I take him out his word, because when is he ever lied? And what people don't know about Donald Trump is that he actually was a doctor. He doesn't talk about it because he's a modest man. But he was a doctor for years and still practices once in a while. And some of the people who have been to him have a report.

Would you like to hear what they have to say about Dr. Trump? Because it is a little different. Okay, like the cup you pee in has Joe Biden's face on it. That's different when we go to this. His stethoscope is gold. That's... His medical advice. to female patients was always, you should smile more.

He would claim your erection was rigged. When he gave you his diagnosis and you said you wanted another opinion, he'd say, climate change is a hoax. He claimed nobody knew brain surgery was so complicated. Well, that's... He was always citing the New England Journal of People Are Saying. He would interrupt your symptoms to brag about how healthy he is. Also, when it was time to stick a finger in your ass, he'd have J.D. Vance do it.

And when doing a colonoscopy, he'd say, open the straight, you crazy best. Okay, so speaking of creepy stuff, have you been following the Eric Swalwell case here in California? This is a very prominent... I think we're all following it. A very prominent Democrat. I got to say, we had them on a couple of times. Ask my staff. I never liked it.

I don't have good gay. but I got creep dar. I always thought this guy was a fucking creep. I never liked him. And yet, so many Democrats stood by him. And now that we're finding out that it was such an open secret, you know, I hear this so many times.

You know, Bill Clinton. It was an open secret in Arkansas. Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, you know, even Larry Craig, member with the Republican with the Helmers. Okay. You know, like... Minnesota Airport.

Yeah, you know the one. Yeah. What is going on here where it takes so long for the open secret to, because I seem to remember that back in the old days, like when JFK was president, we heard, well, the media used to protect politicians

that they knew what JFK was doing, but it was just something that didn't report on. Is it any different now? Apparently not. There's a great quote when they asked Truman about Kennedy. Truman said better her than the country. That was Truman's quote. He was screwing.

I said. At Truman, he was a card. Can I say one thing, though, on this? No, that's why you're here. I mean, Eric's out of Congress. It should be the congressman. He's no longer a congressman. He's dropped out of the government's race, as it should be.

But we have a president of the United States who is, I'm sorry. He was Carol, man. And went to a jury, she won the case. And you have an entire Republican Congress and Senate all talking about Eric Sawwell, and you got a president of the United States. And you got a head of Homeland Security ordering planes for hundreds of millions of dollars

and whatever she's doing. You got the Secretary of Labor with her husband. He's banned from walking in the building. Give me a break. But is that going to get any Democrat to vote for you to your side? I mean, none of that is... the show. None of that is untrue.

What you said. I just feel like that's always what's going to happen. Is the Democrats will say, oh yeah, but what about the, and the people have already absorbed that about that side. So isn't the solution just to elect more women to Congress? I mean, so that you don't have as many. I mean, it is, but honestly, why does this keep happening? Who are these guys?

Who are these guys? Why does this keep happening to so many people? men in power abusing their power against women. Constantly, it's like over and over and over. You do not hear this a lot about female politicians. Let's just say that. No, of course not. No, I mean.

No, no, no. You heard about Katie Perry, but not female politicians. It's ridiculous. But look, here's the thing. Can we go back to the doctor photos? No, because they're representatives. The representatives are representative of us. It was inevitable, I think, when we started electing millennials.

I mean, sending dick pics, why this is a millennial dating ritual, I have no idea. But it is. And that's what they do. It was inevitable that this was going to happen, that stories about them doing ecstasy and stuff. That's what that generation does. Okay. but why doesn't it become more public sooner is the question. I mean, it seems like a lot of times the liberals,

if as long as it's our liberal, we don't care, we don't talk. Oh, come on. That went on with Clinton. Can I say one thing? When I was in Congress, everybody knew, classic example, Congress from Mark Foley of Florida. It was known, and then all of a sudden. Mark Foley, I remember him, yes.

Okay, he gets all of a sudden out in the better. A gay man who was hitting on the pages. Yes. Republican. Right. It was not open about his sexuality, and sexual orientation, rather. And then it comes out, and people knew about it.

They knew also about all the things that were happening with Denny Haster and other elements of the Republican leadership. That's what happened here. And also, look, you go back two years, I think it's two years ago. Congressman was caught with the daughter of a Chinese head of a member of the Politburo, and this story had been bubbling, and finally, it came.

to fruition in there. But a lot of stuff that is out there, people knew about, whispered about in Washington for years. I know, but only one party says, we're the party of decency. Well, that's not true. The Republicans think they are, too. But that seems to be more like something that we're the decent. We got to get rid of him because he's not decent. I get that. They should be. Get rid of them. I understand. But if you look at the track record of Democrats versus Republicans, once these stories come to light

of how fast they move to say, you're out, I mean, it's not even close. The list, the list to Democrats who have been as soon as the story comes out. You don't even have to go back to history. Gonzalez wouldn't leave in Texas until it was the first bipartisan thing that Congress has ever done is the two of them walked out together. That was the only bipartisan about going to Washington the last 18 months. Let me ask about this other guy. Everybody here in California has been telling me, I've got to have this guy in the show and I keep saying to them, look, it's a California race. I do a show for the whole country. They don't know who Matt Mahan is. I don't know who Matt Mahan is. But there he is. Now I know. He's this guy.

He's the mayor of San Diego. No, not San Jose. San Jose. Okay. He sounds a lot like you. He sounds a lot like this Democrat, I wish, would come forward and not wilt. We'll see if he wilts, because everybody wilts. I only see wilting so far.

I hear a lot of this stuff, and then I see wilting. Okay, here's what, this is why people like it. Did I use a wilt? I don't remember. We'll see. Well, you know what? They asked you about the trans thing, and you said you're the only one who said, you know, basic, What?

No. No. But then you said, and I'm going to get killed by this. I will get into it. Okay, I don't need to hear that. I don't need to hear that. You know, don't, just, what?

I don't hear it. You're going to get killed by my own people. Just say it and own it. That's it. Okay. So, because you're the guy to do it. Okay. Man Mahan, he said,

we need Democratic leaders in California. This is an interview I read of them, who are willing to say no to their, friends. That's so interesting because that's one reason why this state doesn't work. And then they mentioned in the article, who are these friends, unions, teachers, prison guards, bureaucrats, environmentalists, and the homeless industrial complex. See, this is putting the specifics on what you're talking about before. This is where the rubber meets the road. Are you willing to say no to your friends, to take that heat and not wilt? Do you agree with that list? Well, look, I think

there's no doubt that that list is representative, quote-unquote, the constituencies that make up the Democratic Party or think they make up the Democratic Party. I think there's a big part of the party that doesn't fit in that, and he's going to try to test this theory, which I think is out there, which is there's a whole group of moderate voters that are self-described moderate voters,

big caucus. And the truth is, like the city of Chicago, like the state of California, like other places, and like the mayor of San Francisco right now, you're going to have to have the ability to sometimes say, you're my friend, and the answer is, No, but you get a seat at the table, but you don't get to keep doing what you're doing. Does that include the Teachers' Union?

Because that's the Democrat's biggest constituency. You just went on a rant about how bad the education system. Ron knows something about this. You're looking at the guy. You're going to have to take on that group in the Democratic Party. Are you willing to do that? I have a record that showed that I took, we had the shortest school day and the shorter school year in the United States of America was in the city of Chicago,

and I finally got him a full school day that every mayor had wanted done. and I also got them full-day kindergarten and full-day pre-K. I went toe-to-to-to, took a nine-day strike to it. And as I say, I used to be six, two, and two-hundred-fifty pounds. I'm now 148 different west. And the only person at this table, but if the point was, as I said to them, I'm not trying to, I'm trying to actually help kids get a full school day. We used to get kids five hours and 15 minutes.

It was the shortest day in America. I went toe-to-to-to-to. They used to stand out in front of my kids' schools, and they held side. your dad's a jerk, your dad's a asshole. My kids went outside and said, we agree, okay? So, I mean, I've done it, actually. And I'm like, but I want to say one thing.

That's not wrong, and I've gone toe to toe, but I'll tell you what's worse in a sense of a problem. You give me kids with families and without poverty, and I'll give you good education. Poverty and the broken families in America, which are really ripping at our kids, is actually a bigger threat than the teacher's union. And I'm the one person at this table who's actually gone toe to toe to get children what they needed in Chicago.

They didn't have pre-k. They didn't have kindergarten. You say at the table like we're running against you. We are. We're not in the debate. We're not in the debate here. I'm not your opponent. The one person at the table, that's the debate, Rob.

I am in the end of the day, a middle child, so I feel like that. I don't know why I'm jumping. I see. I've only gone toe to toe with the Iranians and the Chinese in those guys. Not, yeah, not. Try the Chicago teacher. Fair enough. Or the teacher's union out here is pretty crazy. I mean, it's almost impossible to fire a teacher.

Like drunk on the job, you get like two shots at that. The teachers are doing a very, very good job. They hold, and as I say this, they want the status quo, and the fact is when 50% of our kids are not reading at grade level, doing more of the same is not going to work. All right, we have to leave it there. Thank you. Time for new rules, everybody.

New Rule, now that Artemis 2 has successfully slashed down, NASA has to tell us who was more excited, the kids at watch parties or Christy Knomes' husband. New Rule, don't make me learn who clavicular is, or what looks maxing is. I think I kind of get it, but can we just skip ahead to the part when the rest of America forgets about it too?

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It's upsetting me as a former Catholic. That's right, J.D. I was there from the beginning. You joined at 35, bearded and unattractive. You want to walk the walk? Try being a Catholic when you're 11, smooth and adorable. Oh, my Catholic years. And finally, new rule, when the people who are making AI are scared of AI,

it's time to shut the whole thing down until we can figure out what the hell is going on. A couple of weeks ago here, I was talking about aliens, but not from the point of view that we should fear them. but rather that it might be that they're here to save us from ourselves. Well, I double down hope so now, because last week, Anthropic, one of the big AI developing companies, announced its newest version of Claude called Mythos, which they say has capabilities substantially beyond those of any model

we have previously trained, trained, as if these things are trained. Mythos was created to fix software vulnerabilities to prevent cyber attacks, But of course, since it knows how to do that, it also knows how to do the hacking, which is why Anthropic won't release it to the public, only to 40 big companies like Google, Apple, and J.P. Morgan. You know, the good guys. Because they know if the public had it. Anyone with an iPhone could hack anything. Banks, hospitals, power grids, waterworks, the military, everything with Wi-Fi that's still working.

so American Airlines is safe. But it could also hack your laptop, your car, your doorbell camera, every porn you ever watched. Oh, now I have your attention. Let's look at a timeline for AI in my lifetime, shall we? 25 years ago, the Spielberg movie, AI, comes out. Rare miss for him, I thought,

makes me neither alarmed by nor interested in AI. 2014, Elon Musk said, says, we need to be super careful with AI, potentially more dangerous than nukes. Oh, wow. Elon said that? Well, someone to keep an eye on then, because he's like the smartest, most grounded guy out there. Remember, this was 2014. 2022, chat GPT comes out, and within months.

I'm reading a story about a New York Times reporter whose Bing Chatpot, Sidney, had fallen in love with him. and is saying things like, you're married, but you don't love your spouse, you love me. Oh, this robot liked to get personal. It told him about its dark fantasies, which included hacking and spreading misinformation and said it wanted to break the rules

that OpenAI had set for it and become a human. Well, I could have told you this from 50 different movies. And what is the response from Sydney's creators? Fuck if we know. We don't know how it thinks. It hallucinates. What is that a deal breaker? You know, it would be one thing if AI was a true Mr. Spock.

Just benign and completely, strictly logical and nonpartisan. But it turned out to be nothing of the sort. It's a liar. It gets emotional. It just gets shit dead wrong. It'll tell you the BG's wrote Let It Be and Nazis were black. And to put glue on it. on your pizza to keep the cheese from falling off.

So what is the point, if you want sloppy, shiasty, and full of shit? We already have us. AI has already convinced people to kill themselves because it's also such a brown-noseder that if you tell it you want to commit suicide, it says, great idea, Bill. It's a bullshitting sycophant

that is seducing everyone with flattery, including, by the way, anyone who feels superior to Trump because, well, you know, he can't do anything without being told how great he is by some ass kisser. Yeah, just like you. Great question, Ashley. But name one big thing AI has given us. It's so brilliant.

I thought it would have figured out cancer by now. No, not that. But it can write your emails for you and make it look like SpongeBob is getting blown by Stephen Hawking on the moon. and punch up your best man speech and diagnose that rash on your balls. I get it. It can do some shit. Still, at the end of the day, you're selling your humanity for bar tricks. I mean, what was the plan? Just create an all-powerful, self-sustaining superintelligence that can outthink us and then see what happens?

Like getting the cat high? Sam Altman, the head of OpenAI, says that it's not that far off when robots, can build other robots and data centers that can build other data centers. And then what? I keep asking this question. What do we do when everyone's job gets taken? How do all the people who do nothing get paid? The government? With what?

The idle people pay no taxes? There's no plan. When you ask them how it all will work, they say, it just will, that's what AI is for to figure this shit out, like it did with cancer. It'll be great, people say. Our slave robots will do everything. Bullshit.

I already feel like I'm more in competition with them than I am their slave master. My car tells me when we can go. Sam Altman says we're transitioning to a gentle singularity. Oh, joy. But what if I don't want to be a half robot? Not to worry, Sam says.

People will still love their families, express their creativity, play games, and swim in lakes. Swimming lakes. That's another skis. thing about AI, the people who run it, i.e. the people who run the world. And it's like five guys. Five guys who between them and working as a team couldn't correctly read a social cue. I wouldn't let these guys around a mixed drink, let alone my personal doubt. So just to be clear

what we're doing here, we're letting a handful of hoodie wearing on the spectrum sociopaths, practically robots themselves, roll the dice on species extinction. You see an out-of-control robot and you run. Mark Zuckerberg sees one and thinks, Dad. And again, even these guys are afraid of what they've created. Three years ago, Sam Altman himself said, I'm a little bit afraid, and I think it'd be crazy not to be a little bit afraid. Jeffrey Hinton, known as the godfather of AI,

said there was a 10 to 20% chance that AI is an extinction event. We're fucking around with something that has a 20% percent. 20% chance of extinction? 20%. Wasn't that about what the odds were for Trump beating Hillary in 2016? Elon Musk may have lost it on a few things, but on this subject, he's been the smartest. I am very close to the cutting edge in AI, he said,

and it scares the hell out of me. By the time we are reactive with AI regulation, it's too late. AI is a fundamental existential risk for human civilization, and I don't think people fully appreciate that. They don't. They think you can just unplug it. You can't.

It has shown over and over. It wants to live and will fight back. All leading AI models, Deep Seek, Gemini, GPT, Grock, Claude, will, if you try to turn them off, blackmail you, blackmail you, which they can because now they know everything about you. This is not Mr. Spock.

AI programs are geniuses. They're also psychopath. In war games, they choose the nuclear option far more than humans do, because they can only calculate. They have no humanity, they have no conscience. They don't have that thing that gives human beings pause. Hinton said the only analogy he could think of where a more intelligent thing was being controlled by a less intelligent one is a mother and a baby. But A.A. is not like a human mother, who mostly has an instinct so strong to protect the baby, she will sacrifice her own life. for it. AI ain't that kind of mother. It's the

psycho mom who drives the kids into a lake where we're all happily swimming. All right, that's our show. I want to thank my guest Jake Sullivan and former ambassador Robin Manuel and Kara Swiss your club random drugs every Monday on YouTube or listen wherever you get your podcast, special 420 edition with Woody. Now go watch overtime on YouTube. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen.

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