Red Scare - 23andRazib w/ Razib Khan *TEASER*

Episode Date: May 22, 2023

Geneticist, writer and CXO of Generate Razib Khan stops by the pod to talk genes and more.

Depending on how you define it. I think there are like hundreds of haplogroups, but mostly there are like a dozen Not a dozen. There's like two dozen common haplogroups and then a lot of much rarer haplogroups, right? Because it's just a power law Can I can I tell you my maternal haplogroup? You're maternal? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I know it from 23. Okay So mine is u5 b1 b1a, which is called the sami signature. So it's okay Hey, it's finished. It's northern European Yeah, okay. So I can get we can talk about this. Um, I'm u2b by the way. So we're both you but anyway, um Why can't we figure out what mine is? Uh, because you don't have well, okay. You you did ancestry in me

was okay I will tell you really quickly because it's a stupid story, but um, I happen to know that um, the CEO of ancestry Um, decided not to do haplogroups because they're like, uh, we don't want to deal with the customer service questions about them so I don't think he's the CEO anymore so I can tell the story, you know, but literally he didn't want to deal with like crap about that So um, so that's why it's in there But like they don't release any of that data. I see, right? Um, so you um, so u5 the sami It's basically so u5

So there's a bunch of us obviously u1 u2 u3 u4 u5 u5 is associated with mesolithic european hunter gatherers. So the europeans that were in europe 11,700 years ago were overwhelmingly u5 in central and western europe and obviously in northern europe and so u5 is about about About 20 percent of europe. Okay. I'm gonna wait on this. Can I wait? Hold per sound So u5 is about 20 percent of europeans. Okay, uh, u5 as a as a whole u5 b is obviously a branch That's found in uh, fenoscan and avia and the northern part um among the sami

And so the sami um the laps that's another term for them. Um, they speak a finnick language Very distantly related to actually finnick finnish and estonian, but in any case they speak a finnick language they're about 20 percent Siberian northern Siberian like People from the tamir peninsula right to the east of the urals. Okay. Um, that's the 20 percent and the other other 80 percent is interesting because some of that 80 percent is like paleo european hunter gather these indigenous people That were overwhelmed throughout europe by farmers and indo european pastoralists elsewhere. And so u5 b is one of those It's probably a lineage of you know, these foragers that were there when the farmers arrived During the neolithic revolution and in the far north they stayed foragers like obviously after after christ into the christian era

Right and the sami came from Siberia and they absorbed these last foragers and overwhelmed their culture. So the sami language Um, I mean, so I think fin finnish is suami and obviously sami. They're they're similar, right? So these are Siberian people, but it's all men. Okay. It's very rarely females. It's like imagine um, like asian dudes, um on skis With axes Okay, yeah, no i'm serious. I'm not even joking I mean because they don't have like horses So they must have like skied into the territory and they killed all the native dudes

They killed they killed all the native dudes and they just like took over. Uh-huh. Yeah, awesome. Well, I mean So mine is in my data, but yeah, they don't so ancestry doesn't release it But I mean 23 and me would basically they just you have to look for diagnostic variable markers and ancestry doesn't release that Okay, but the data the dna sent you So we did find so there was some data h is just a big category though I mean, there's like an 70 chance that you were going to be h anyway But there's h1 h2 h3 h4 h5. So for example, like my wife is um I have my ex wife. It's h1. I'm gonna say it just

h1 um, and then my kids are they're obviously h1 And so that's the most common like it's like 50 of northern europeans or h1 Um, it's associated with uh, actually indo-europeans Indo-european pastoralists. So dalsha and I are different Yes, that's interesting. Yes. Yeah, she's h and you're you so you're actually more ugabuga You know like, uh, you know, whatever Well, you know, I'm gonna say like ice age like hunter-gatherer You know with the spears running around and what am I?

You're more like, you know, just a generic step pastoralist like hanging hanging out hanging out in the wagon Hanging out in the wagon, you know, that's very