Red Scare - Abundant Death

Episode Date: December 26, 2024

The ladies discuss Luigi Mangione's terrorism charge, latest school shooter Samantha Rupnow and Lily Jay's essay on managing the fallout of her divorce from the guy who left her for Ariana Grande.

["All The Things You Said"] Orbach. We're drinking a bottle of Giacopola brand rosé. That was sent to me through an intern that manages their Instagram probably. But let's see. an intern that manages their Instagram probably. Let's see. It's pretty good. I think everything is good though. It's fine.

It's drinkable. That's my only criteria. That you can drink it and that it's alcohol. Yeah. No, it's nice. It's full. It's more full-bodied than I prefer. It's full-bodied like Courtney Nish or whatever.

Who's Courtney Nish? She's that girl on Twitter who we can talk about it in the context of like the dress. Yeah. Who always creepily posts side by sides of her and Sydney Sweeney being like, this is what real women look like. Right, right, right.

And then Sydney Sweeney posted that like thirst trap. Yeah. It was like her inner boon. Yeah. Respect. I get it. And that kind of works. But like other than them both being curvy blondes,

they have literally nothing in common, like totally different body type. I assume this girl is not a famous actress. No, she's like some girl on Twitter. Yeah, so. And she's the one that had the post that was like, gosh, well, I've just, I've been over sexualized since puberty. Oh no.

And somebody retweeted it with your tweet. It's really timeless. Yeah. It's women can't stop begging people to stop objectifying their amazing tits ass pussy, their nice ass bodies. How dare you? How dare you look at my gorgeous physique?

She's like one of those girls who's like just naturally really thick and looks like an R. Crumb girl, but has like perfect proportions and fat distribution and a flat stomach. And she's like, boo hoo, I've been getting ogled since I was a teenager. Was she the one modeling the milkmaid? No, no, but that girl also clearly was chosen because she sort of looks like Sydney Sweeney.

She's got the big milkers, for sure. It was nice to see a hot model. Yeah, I think hot models are from the back. I resent even, you know, because their whole ploy is like, it's the most talked about dress. And I'm like, you know, yeah, but I guess I'll talk about it. We should come out with a red scare dress as a female competition. Interesting. It's just like a garbage bag with a hole cut out on the other side. The dime square dress.

Yeah, a red scare dress could be very affordable. Really cheap. Just one of your old Daisy dresses that you're gonna sell in Deva. Well, I am gonna sell my Daisy milkmaid dress. That's like a way better version of this Evie dress. Yeah, there's like Daisy, there's Doen, there's Aritzia, frankly. I mean, it's a popular silhouette these days

due to the coquette trend. It's a coquette classic. I wanna say something negative about EV Magazine and their new dress drop, but I have to give credit where it's due, and this one's so much better than the previous one, which was that fugly sundress, because at least it's like plain and simple.

Well, the white one is the least offensive, but then they have one in the meme font. Yeah, the like baby blue with the white flowers. Yeah. And then another like terrible print. But the white one is like, you know, fine. Yeah, I guess that's one I would cop if I had to. I'd go on a Etsy like Ren Fair store

and buy something a little more authentic. You could honestly go to like one of those hood girl stores like Windsor. I'd go to E Dicted. I'd search Y2K sexy on Grail. Yeah and like you know the other thing is like respect to them for monetizing. Well they actually have the tail. Oh okay. Right? Not to throw in that accusation but that's what I've heard. People in glass houses. I mean, I wish.

What else? Do you want to do the gift? You want your presents? The unboxing, yeah. Sure. We can kill some time. Before we get into, OK. Sure.

We can kill some time. Before we get into, okay. Okay, open this, the black box first. Okay. And I got me a darling Christmas ornament that looks like a little pair of Ugg boots. Yeah. It's actually perfect because my color scheme for my tree this year is like gold, white and like green a little bit,

but it is very like gold. It's very MAGA. Yeah. No, it's really like Trump Trumpian is, was the vision, but I didn't get my, um, I'm gonna spray myself. I got a perfume. I know I always get you like perfume or perfume but this one I actually haven't smelled it. That's okay. To be honest but I put the mic in the wrapping. It's some brand called Gumi Guma Mina and they have two of this collection. Anna's pretty as like a black swan. Yeah.

So I have one with the white swan kind of an Adasha thing. And that one's a little more I'm wearing it right now. It's a little more like effervescent. And then this one has like, seems like it's had some more perverted notes. That's good, it's good. Do you like it? Oh yeah, that's really nice.

Wait, can you retards hear me? Yeah, it is, it's really good. You can smell probably the, that's the white swan one. Yeah, that one's more like girly and coquettish and then this one's more like dark and medicinal. Uh-huh. Yeah, good. Come up with great scents.

We should do a red scare scent, honestly. We have all great ideas. Cigarettes and cocaine. It's like that one Celine scent night clubbing that I have that's supposed to smell like cocaine, but it's actually smells like cigarettes. Okay, now I'm opening a package from Paloma Wool. Yes, but-

Is that not? No, it is, but it's like a whole gay production. Is that not? No, it is, but it's like a whole gay production. Yeah, and the bottle's so pretty. It's so pretty, yeah. Mohammed, my Uber driver complimented me on my scent earlier. Oh, but like, it settles into a more feminine and floral scent, which is cool.

Yeah. Yeah, it's good. Oh, very cute. Some gold pointelle socks and some silver pointail socks. Adorable. Thank you. And then there's a crowd in there. There is?

Yeah. Did I drop? No, wait. Oh, there. Yeah. It's just a gift card to Paloma Wall. I love it. Thank you.

I'm always in the market for some perverted little socks. I still wear, you got me some like cable knit ones years ago. Oh yeah, I love those. I'm like the expert when it comes to random obscure Japanese brands that make kind of perverted Lolita socks, but I wear like Elliot Spitzer black ankle socks that I keep on during sex.

I've been doing some, I really hate it. I've been doing sock curls. What's that? It's like you like wrap your hair up and before you go to sleep. And then in the morning it's like, Oh, wavy. It's like a TikTok trend.

Another kind of female autism thing where I think they love to see the like shiny spiral of the curl, you know? Mine are not like always turning out that great. It really depends. It does, the other day, yesterday, I slept with sock curls the night before and I had pretty nice body and nice weight. I have naturally wavy hair, so it's like.

Same, actually. I've been enjoying it. Okay, and this, this is really stupid. I too have naturally wavy hair that I flat iron all the time even though I actually don't like having like pin straight hair but I just don't know how to style my hair so if anybody has like styling tips because I've tried to do you know how to do a professional blow I can't yeah like how do you get the back? Oh, you section it. Yeah, I tried. Yeah, it's really time consuming to actually do the full block.

And like I go to the hairdressers and I look at black wing volumes, what is this? Okay, black wings are the best pencil you can get. It's with Stanley Kubrick's favorite pencil. And this is a collab they did with Jerry Garcia. Oh, thank you. That's so thoughtful. So I guess the pencils have his like art on them. Yeah. Oh, they're really cute. Can somebody explain to me how the Grateful Dad as kind of like a hippie-dippy, vaguely anti-capitalist franchise has so many like endorsements and franchises.

Like every brand has a collab with the Grateful Dad. Well, Jerry's dad. Yeah, but like- He didn't really make these pencils. No, of course not, but I'm gonna pretend he did. But people are always like, there's like lucky brand has one slow tide has one.

I thought that Abraham got the rights to maybe like the logo. Wait, online ceramics. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That like t-shirt you said opening. No, it's a really cool Freudian slip because you were thinking of opening Yeah, I think they got it they did a very smart bid on like the actual

Iconography. Yeah, that's why they make all the dead shirts. Yeah But yeah, they're just whores Yeah, there's so many they'll do anything. It's so hard not to like Leia has some like puffy grateful dead slippers that I'm not gonna buy because I can't like it's too much This is more subtle Yeah, just a nice Jerry Garcia red scare ex-grateful dead And like would Jerry have liked Luigi? Maybe. Remember when we had Anne Coulter on and you asked her about the dead?

Mm-hmm. And she said she liked how entrepreneurial they were with the veggie burritos and the cool t-shirts. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, that makes sense. They have amazing merch. It just like brings joy. Yeah. To have like a Grateful Dead blanket or a Grateful Dead pair of low rise cutoffs.

So cute. Right, so the manifesto that we talked about last time that Luigi wrote was fake. My bad. No, we said it was fake, but there was a real one that we also cited. Yeah, but then I still, you know, I already did. I already read it.

I was so glad. I actually only like digression, but I only really wear randomly strangely the Chloe regime perfume that I got for free because I went to the product launch party and didn't really care. I wasn't expecting to like it, let alone get it. But just like it's like my stock thing that I wear now and I want another one to have in rotation. That's like an everyday perfume. I have that one. I wear it more in the summer. Yeah. I've been

wearing more of like a patchouli scents in the winter. But anyway, you were saying the manifesto. Um, yeah, my bad. I went on that guy Josh Cittarella's podcast and he asked me like what ethical responsibility podcasters have as like having usurped, you know, the real news. And I was like, huh? He's like the quality of information that you, I was like, you just say whatever. Yeah, like people aren't listening to this for the news. It's an entertainment show. Yeah, I don't have to like issue corrections,

but vaguely I am, but yeah, that wasn't, he didn't write that sub stack post I read. But there's a lot of disinformation out there. Well, yeah, I mean, there's the new manifesto from the most recent fem cell shooter that we'll talk about that like, that radfem that I mentioned here and there, Anna Slatz posted and watermarked,

which I thought was really random and bizarre. Yeah. Like what's up with that? But if you thought the Luigi Manifesto was retarded. Did that, was that the one that implicated Radfem Hitler? It didn't. Okay.

Yeah, that's also fake news. That was just a rumor. Yeah. And then also there's a photo of me circulating. Yeah, I saw that. In like Spanish and Chinese media. Well, because I think somebody made a meme. That was like clearly a joke.

And then they just run with it. Retard ESL journalists. Yeah, ran with it. Alex Seblis got like an ESL email from like some Spanish being like, can you confirm this is not the shooter? email from like some Spanish being like, can you confirm that this is not the shooter? Yeah. But I knew what I was doing with the joker teaching.

Yeah. I was asking for it. It's an honest mistake. And you think I look 15? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, but you can't really blame a 15 year old

for having a shitty manifesto. No. And it sounds like she. Though some of the wording and grammar was like, oh, they really didn't teach you how to write at school. Her parents were too busy getting divorced. And remarried. And remarried and having boyfriends and girlfriends. Yeah

That's something you don't see every day. Yeah, like I understand like being a child of divorce. That's common all too common, but like your parents getting Divorced and remarried sounds like drug addiction which she alludes to because she talks about like witnessing her mom overdose when she was 12, allegedly. Right. But anyway. Right, and she has a selfie that's been circulating, as well as a photo that her father posted on Facebook

of her at like a shooting range wearing a KMFDM t-shirt which the Columbine shooters wore and allegedly she was also a big true crime fan. Oh I thought you were gonna say she was a big neo-nazi. I don't think she was a neo-nazi. Well her manifesto is like kind of racist. She drops hard art, she makes a pajit joke. She's online. Yeah, she seems extremely online. I mean it's sad.

Wait, so now we both have a female mass shooter that we may or may not be associated with. Every time this happens, people are like, oh, you're just jealous that no one cited you guys in their manifesto. And I'm just like, no, please. I literally live in fear of that happening. I'm gonna be so, oh God, now I've like put it out into the ether. No, no, no.

What would they even say? Or not, it's a podcast of peace. Yeah. They are big time pacifists. you know, on the show. Maybe. Yeah, no, we, we know. And but she did. Okay. So then people said that radfemm Hitler inspired they're calling her the femsal shooter. Um, well, okay. But then I found Hitler deleted her account. Yeah, she deactivated, I guess, because of fear of reprisal and doxxing. But that made it seem credible. Yeah, sketchy.

But I don't think it is the case that she was a follower of Radfem Hitler's. Yeah, who knows? That's well, OK, a question I have for you is, can you be a fem cell if you have a boyfriend? Yeah, because. The way that Anna Slat's got her grubby little paws on the authentic on the authentic authentic authentic manifesto. Was that allegedly, yeah, Natalie, AKA Samantha Rapno, her boyfriend sent it to Slatz

with a video of him uploading it to confirm its authenticity, which, okay. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Okay. Hard to say, but you can be a fem cell and have a boyfriend. Yeah, you would think the answer is an unambiguous no, but it's actually kind of a yes. Maybe he was an internet boyfriend even. Yeah, there was a weird moment where Slatz tweeted

that the photo, like the selfie going around of this girl was not how he remembered her and that she was actually quite hotter and that it seemed to him that it was edited to make her look less attractive and provided another photo of her wearing the same t-shirt in the same room. Looking slightly better. Yeah. Really weird. Yeah. shirt in the same room looking slightly better yeah really weird yeah and it's like what do you mean like how you remembered her like you know how when

kids are in high school they spend like every day together yeah I guess you could say like it's a turn of phrase and right now that she's no longer with us yeah right right but maybe they didn't go to school together. Unclear. That's fair. I don't know. I guess if you have a strictly internet boyfriend, then you can be a fem cell. Maybe a normal boyfriend. It's kind of a state of mind.

Yeah, that's what I think too. Though kind of ideally the whole point of having a boyfriend is that it- They blow your back out. Yeah. And it prevents you from doing stuff like shooting other people and then turning the gun on yourself. Ideally. Yeah. But not always as you've learned in this case. Okay. So I'm going to pull up my, my notes on this girl. Yeah.

So she isn't called Natalie Rupno, but went by the name Samantha Rupno. She shot up the Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, Wisconsin. She killed a substitute teacher and another student and then killed herself and injured six other people. Blah, blah, 15 neo-Nazi inspired by Columbine, extremely online. Her parents divorced and remarried.

Originally people were reporting that she was trans, but she's not. She just clearly has some kind of hormonal imbalance. I mean, it's rare to find a woman who goes through with it, not only in terms of killing yourself, but killing others. Yeah. In a really violent and masculine way. But relatively low body count.

Yeah, yeah. Which is kind of, didn't the female, the YouTube shooter Didn't kill anyone but herself. Yeah. Unlike us, our shooter doppelgangers have very low body count. Yeah. Unlike us, our shooter doppelgangers have very low body mass. Yes, to me, it's like the milk white dress.

It's like this seems like a tragedy that is- Could have been avoided. Could have been avoided, but is also obviously influenced by the shooter, I mean, by the culture around school shootings. Yeah, and the culture that foments on the internet specifically. And in true crime, she had macabre interests.

But it's the same thing where it's like, everyone's talking about the dress. It's like, everyone's talking about every shooting, which then inspires people to do shootings. Well yeah because young people and or mentally ill people get it into their heads that they will become a person of some repute if they pull it off like on the internet. I mean it's like you know my take on Luigi like he clearly did it for attention because he understood on a subconscious level that again it would

generate a meme cycle, turn him into a folk hero. I'm sure in his own mind he felt he was a true believer, but there's no evidence to suggest either way that he was. Oh, he's, yeah, succeeded. I heard there were people wearing Luigi, like Mario and Luigi hats. Yeah. I saw some of that because I was walking by the courthouse the other day and there was all these like news cameras and paparazzi and I was like, what's going on here? Who's on trial?

Like Diddy and I didn't put two and two together until I like walked right up on it that it was like the Luigi thing. And there was like already like a lot of fans assembled. Crazy. And they had like little signs and hats. They're gonna make one of those AOC RBG votive candles of him.

And so he's being charged with terrorism. Yeah. Which is what he did. Yeah, that's another, yeah. He's charged with terrorism in addition to murder. And then he was also hit with federal charges, which I guess means he's eligible for the death penalty. So, you know, he's loving this.

Sure. No, don't kill yourself. You're so sexy. Ha ha. He's loving this. Sure. No don't kill yourself you're so sexy. He's so sexy and heroic. Hassan Piker among other retards registered shock and disbelief that he was being charged with terrorism. There seems to be like a lot of confusion on this matter like leftists in particular see this as evidence of persecution versus it being like a literal classification. And isn't the reason they like him because he did terror, because he did politically motivated violence, like they are on board, had the best take, which was that if he wasn't doing violence in pursuit of political goals, terrorism, then why do you like him?

Well said. of political goals, terrorism, then why do you like him? Well said. Yeah. But you hear a lot of people being like, oh, this is like the ruling class, closing ranks around its own and shamelessly protecting their interests, which like even if you hate them, can you blame them?

But I don't think that's what's going on here. Like he literally did the textbook definition of terrorism. Yeah, he sought out to do it. Here's the definition of terrorism in case anyone's wondering. The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians in the pursuit of political aims.

That's literally what he did. Like he stalked and killed a civilian for political ends or to send a political message. And like, you can be like, oh, that guy was like a rich and successful CEO, but he wasn't like an elected official or a foreign ambassador.

He was not a political figure, even if you think the whole healthcare conversation is or should be politicized. Well, here's some quotes from his supporters who gathered outside the courthouse. As far as I see it, Luigi killed one person, but health insurance companies destroy millions of lives. Merrill, a 34 year old programmer,

told the Post that he held a free Luigi sign. Frankly, I'd have another CEO killer on the streets than another CEO. But like there's gonna be another CEO. Yeah, they're just gonna get some other guy. That's just someone who's in charge of the company. Yeah. You don't want a CEO's, do you guys?

Yeah, it kinda has to happen. You don't want CEOs, I guess. It kind of has to happen. Yeah, there was one that I like quote tweeted. It's crazy. He killed one person, made sure no one else got hurt and did it for a cause that's harming pretty much everyone in our country unless you're rich. Why is he a terrorist but Kyle Rittenhouse is not?

He fully fired on a crowd of people and gets praised by Trumpies loser. This thing has like 300,000 likes. Yeah. It really makes you like lose your faith in humanity when people talk like this, not even because they hold different beliefs than you do. And you would rather that most people agreed with you, but because they're just like literally incapable of rationally processing information.

They can't see how things are different. Different, yeah. Like they can't examine one set of facts and weigh them against another totally separate set of facts and set aside the surface level similarities to understand how they are meaningfully different. It's crazy. It is. Yeah. And I wanted to be like, no, it's not like I wanted to do my like Virgo over explaining and be like, but no, like actually, technically, Kyle Rittenhouse did not fire into a

crowd indiscriminately. He was chased by a mob and he acted in self-defense. But then I was like, oh wait, no, actually this person is totally correct in her view of the world because her life must be crazy. Because she does not understand how the world works. Well, her life's probably pretty normal. Yeah, but like her perception of reality must feel like it's possessed by like demons and aliens.

Because like nothing adds up. She can't understand how things work. Well, I'm the Christmas market in Germany. Oh yeah. I like caught wind of it peripherally. And then Maddie told me today that the guy wasn't Muslim. Oh yeah, that's so interesting. I mean, he is like, I mean, but he was, the reason he allegedly carried out his attack

was because he thought Islam was becoming too prominent. He was doing anti-Islamic. Yeah, it's very interesting. He's a terrorism. Much like Lily J, the ex-wife of the guy who left her for Ariana Grande. He was a clinical psychologist and an anti-Islamic activist. In an asylum, he came to Germany on an asylum. Yeah, and his beef with Germany was that they treated Muslim migrants and refugees relatively well and accepted them with open arms and open hearts, but viewed people like him who were anti-Islam whistleblowers

sounding the alarm with suspicion because they have very serious, highly punishable hate speech laws because they're still guilt tripping off of the Holocaust. So there are all these stories from Germany of like a woman going to jail because she said anti-Islamic things about her rapists, but her rapists like getting like a fine and a slap on

the wrist like this kind of stuff. Yeah, he was described as a well-known anti-Islam and women's activist in his German community. Yeah, that story is like super interesting because that's another thing where I was like, you know, yeah, I didn't. What? Yeah, no, no, he's like you were he wants to be the last immigrant slam the door. He doesn't want to anymore. The alleged suspect in Magdeburg is an anti-Muslim activist who is pro-Israel and a supporter of the far-right AFD party. The 50-year-old fled Saudi Arabia in 2006 because of his activism

for atheism. He accused Germany of persecuting him and not stopping Islamicization. So basically, he's like not like the other girls and gets mad because pick me. Yeah, he's a pick me because he gets treated worse than practicing Muslims as a former Muslim due to Germany's like. Hate speech. Yeah, like post-war guilt trip, tolerance thing. Germany seems like a mess, man. It does, right. Yeah. Germany seems like a mess, man. It does, yeah.

This happened in 2016 too. It did? Some, I think in that case it was maybe a radical Islamist, but it drove, same thing, drove into a Christmas market. Okay, he's like technically not Muslim, but he's not really doing Muslims any favors because he's using like historically Muslim means to send a message. Yeah, which, you know, not to be racist, but makes it seem like being Muslim is something that's not a spiritual matter, but rather something deeper that's like in your blood. I'm not personally arguing that point, but you can see how it may look like that. He's not beating the muds of allegations.

He's not. By driving a car into a crowd. At a Christmas market. Yeah. Certainly seems. Yeah, I mean, the fact that he had like kind of secular pro-Western beliefs makes it even scarier in a way because otherwise you could just chalk up his crime to garden variety, religious extremism, normal jihad.

We all live in fear of it, you know, but there's no point in like psychoanalyzing those people. We get it. Yeah, they believe they believe. Yeah, but no, this is even scary. Curious. And yeah, much like Luigi Natalie, the would-be Trump assassin. These latest crop of killers feel very disjointed. Yeah, they feel like hysteric and schizoid.

It's almost like Zizek voice, kind of like an aperture into modern neuroses and like the breakdown of, it's like, what was that like famous Artie, not Artie line, Artie line, the only sane response to an insane world is insanity. Yeah. That's how this feels. Like he's like a symptom or a symbol of like modern hysteria and breakdown.

The mind real. Yeah. Cause he like can't cope with like the conditions of modernity or whatever. Yeah. Post-modern. I sound like Josh Siderella now. When we announced that we were doing the event with Dean Kisick for Harper's, people got really mad

and they were like, why are Anna and Dasha even qualified to speak on art? Come on. I was like, well, she's an artist. And I used to hang out with like Brad Tramiel and Josh Siddarell. I come out of the post internet scene, y'all. That's how I met Dean Kissing on the post internet scene.

You went to school for art history. Yeah, I forgot about that. See, I even purged that from my memory. But that shouldn't even be a matter of qualifying. It's where art hoes. Yeah, that's true. So we're the most qualified. To speak on the state of contemporary, right?

Fair. No, I got to read a book or something before that. I got to figure out what I'm going to say. Yeah. I'm going to Google art. Come up with a little dossier. Yeah. Like the other Duchamp toilet.

The other guy who made a gold toilet. I don't know. Jeff Koons. No, it's what's his name? He's like Italian or Spanish. He's friends with Jamie. He was like a big wig, blue chip artist a while back. Yeah.

Blah, blah, blah. But yeah, it's kind of interesting that all three of these shooters have kind of the same mind frame in spite of being like radically different people. Like you have like a 15 year old, like white girl, a 50 year old, like Gen X, Saudi Arabian activist and like a hot, young,

seemingly well adjusted turbo normie guy. And they all three of them like suffer from main character syndrome Yeah in Natalie's case it's Natural it is understandable because of how young she is and how? Traumatized she was yeah Yeah, like a teen girl already is so volatile Yeah, and then you just it's it's a really messed up mix of circumstances and influence.

But all teens have main character syndrome. Yeah. And then hopefully you grow out of it. But that's why teens often do crazy and destructive things and don't understand the consequences. Yeah. And I'm gonna get in trouble for saying this, but of all of the shooters,

probably I have the most sympathy for her. Yeah, of course. Luigi, I'm sort of sympathetic to. Just because I think he didn't have the, as I said, the constitution, not only for the chronic pain, but for, yeah, like not being able to fuck mm-hmm yeah like a life of the mind mm-hmm he wasn't he wanted to be out there like surfing and shagging yeah yeah I got it but yeah it was like an assistant thing I'm like already so drunk you know we have to call. We have to go to dinner. Yeah. It makes me sad. Like this 15 year old girl where I like,

I read her manifesto and she, um, in it, she calls humanity filth and scum like Travis Bickle monologue style. She's Chopin, how are you? And my favorite part is there will always be a reason for this and reasons for other shootings, unless it's some Indian guy who just wanted to blow up for the fun of it, which is what those people do. So she kind of like predicted the Christmas market shooter. She calls her therapist some fat and weak guy

who doesn't deserve anything. And she claims her mom tried to overdose when she was 12. Her dad apparently disapproved of her and her mom like apparently ignored her in favor of her boyfriend. She was picked on at school. She claims that none of these traumas really affected her. And I just want to be like, Oh honey, you are so clearly lonely and depressed. Yeah, of course. But also like then I have to stop myself and be like,

well, she did go the extra mile and actually take it upon herself to kill other people. Meaning what? Well, she did go there. Most people in her position like see then stew but don't actually kill anyone. Yeah, well they grow up and they process the sort of unpleasantness of their formative pubescent years.

And I wanna like reach back in time, like with baby Hitler and hold her and shake her and be like, you think you're the only one who has problems and issues? Maybe if she had listened to Red Scare. Yeah, none of this would have ever happened. None of this would have happened. But that's something that the young

and the mentally ill share. That's like the key feature that they share, which is why youth dovetails nicely with mental illness, which is like an inability to put yourself in the shoes of other people, AKA empathy. It literally doesn't occur to them that all these other people walking around, who again, on the surface seem well adjusted

and indifferent and lacking in empathy for your struggle and suffering all have problems and issues of their own, but have learned to mask them, not just out of like convenience or pride, but out of maturity and benevolence, because they know that you can't inflict that on other people and you have to preserve social harmony. Yeah. Like don't punish others for your personal hatred.

Yeah. Like what makes you think that all these like Chad's and Stacey's that you see walking around your Christian school have it so easy. I mean, it doesn't even seem quite that coherent. She seemed like she was obsessed with school shooters. She was. She like cited a number of them or like mass shooters in her manifesto.

Yeah. So she did possibly like, yeah, have, like she seems like she was probably a female autist. That's a good, yeah. She has the physiognomy. Yeah, you can sort of tell by looking at her because she's like, so then a pretty and cute young girl,

but there's something off about her expression where she's like a little dead behind the eyes. The others and something broken with the empathy receptor can't just be chalked up to being young exactly. Let me see. I forgot what I was going to say. But yeah, it's weird that there is a shooter now who is both a child and a woman. It's weird that there's a terrorist now who is anti-Islamic and it's weird that there's this vigilante guy who is handsome and bright and seems well adjusted. Very unusual.

Political realignment left and right happening. It's a big dangerous world out there, but it's funny because I think like people have already forgotten the Christmas market guy and the abundant life girl and everyone's eyes are on Luigi because he just like mugs in every photo. Yeah. I have more details emerged. No. So yeah, I have more details emerged. No.

I read the other day, we have some more insight into his motive and how long he had been planning it, but nothing more insightful. I mean, sometimes there isn't a motive. Or the motive is incoherent and retarded. Yeah. It is a very true crime thing to search for a motive. Well, he had one, it just didn't.

Well, he like, depending on who you ask, it does make sense. And yeah, like I will die on the hill that he did it for attention, maybe unwittingly, unknowingly, but guess what? It worked. He should have read like 10 more books. I don't think it would have even helped him in his case.

I think he gleaned a lot of information from like a specific subset of, you know, and that's why apparently he said, yeah, he was like, healthcare, this is it. This is like the stars are aligning. He felt strongly that this, that Brian Thompson was the person. Why? Because of insurance and because United Healthcare

has the biggest profit margins and denies the most coverage. And then he, as the CEO, I guess is responsible for implementing those mandates and then has made the most money, was probably the Luigi math, I guess. Yeah. It's crazy. His name is Luigi. Maddie also brought up a good point that when he was born, like Mario and Luigi was a thing. Uh huh.

You know? Yeah. Maybe it's a family name, but it is a little crazy that he's named Luigi. Wait, why? It's definitely just a family name. I don't think his family name. Cause Luigi the plumber was very much in the public consciousness. I mean, it's just like a really bizarre and outdated Ellis Island name to have

in this day and age as a zoomer. Yeah. This was a really funny interaction that I saw on Twitter. After reviewing the facts, it seems the guy was just a retarded Arab with grievances that don't make much sense. Wait, which guy? He's talking about the Magdeburg, whatever, shooting, and then some guy responds, but enough about Manjoni. That's so true, Kate. That's so funny. Yeah, stay safe out there over the holidays, you guys. Well, I was like chimping because some girl made the point that when they do the biopic, the best man

to play Luigi Al Pacino. I get what she means. And I was like, that's such an insult to the beauty of Al Pacino, which is timeless and memorial. He looks like a Byzantine mosaic and Luigi Manjoni, like I'm not gonna split hairs and be an annoying bitch about it

and pretend he's not attractive because he clearly is. Right. But you know, he looks like a guy on the Jersey Shore or one of Victoria Gotti's sons. Yeah, there's a reason he's not. Like he's hot in a contemporary cheap Houth's the pirate way he's not Al Pacino. He's no Al Pacino, but that's, you know, a biopic.

Every actor, you know, well, no, the more I thought about it, the more I thought, like, hey, actually, she has a point because Al Pacino, only Al Pacino could really do that whole, like, overheated and kinetic portrayal of like a man like suffering through ecstasy and agony. Well, we have dog day afternoon. Yeah, exactly. And I watched this movie, John Q. Have you heard of this?

Denzel Washington, where he- I haven't seen it, but- Takes a hospital hostage, because his son has a rare heart condition and the insurance won't pay for it. And in this case, I think it's Anne Heesh. She's the bitch insurance executive. She's dead now, right?

She died tragically recently. But yeah, she's looking Denzel Washington in the eyes and is crying wife and being like, I'm sorry, but healthcare costs money and your son just has to leave. And they're like, he needs a heart transplant. And they're like, they were kicking him out of the hospital and it's like, I'm like, oh, that's... like he needs a heart transplant. They were kicking him out of the hospital

and it's like, I'm like, oh, that's... Before all this stuff about Luigi came to light, I in naive good faith assumed, yeah, that there literally was like some insurer, like Brian Thompson at one point looked Luigi in the eyes and said like, sorry, man. No healthcare for you. Specifically, but that's you and your mother

are gonna suffer through chronic pain forever. We can't do anything. In fact, we derive like sexual pleasure from denying you coverage me personally, like that's what you assume. And there's like, yeah, the slick doctor played by James Woods, who's like gladly giving the heart transplants

to his golf buddies. It's like the morality is so, and he works like a steel mill. And initially he's trying to come up with the money for the heart transplant. And then he- And this is before GoFundMe. Yeah.

Yeah. So he is like going through all the proper channels and trying to do and then he gets pushed too far and then he just takes the hospital hostage. Great uplifting story. That's why it's a movie and not real life. Yeah. But that's yeah, that's like what the Luigi movie will be would have to be for it to be. It's gonna be Adam Driver.

Interesting. Adam Driver gonna be Adam Driver. Interesting, Adam Driver would be good. But I was thinking the other thing about Al Pacino is that he had maybe one of the most beautiful faces of all time. It's weird and random and he was beautiful in spite of himself because he was like a five foot four pear shaped manlet Sicilian from the Bronx

with like a criminal record. And nothing in the sky is like history or genetics would say that he would be like transcendently beautiful. And Luigi Mangione, I was thinking is allegedly according to many sources, six foot one, which puts him right there with Daniel Penny. But he's- I heard he was shorter.

But he's not medically short, but he has this very unique and spectacular quality that he reads is a lot shorter than he really is. I don't think he's 6'1". He looks like he's 5'4". I heard he was 5'7", yeah. Okay, but he looks like he's al Pacino height. So actually the casting, if you could,

one of these guys like Hoppola or Scorsese has to do the Luigi Mangione film, but like do the anti-aging technology on Al Pacino specifically. I mean, I don't really wanna see the Luigi Mangione movie. I think it could actually be fun. How long do you think this is gonna be in the? I mean, longer than I predicted

because I was expecting him to be done in a week, but like there's gonna be a trial and. Yeah. How big of a loser do you have to be to like make this guy your folk here actually? I weirdly get it. And I have sympathy because I'm such an empath and can put myself in the shoes of normie retards but I get it he's like young handsome had his whole life ahead of him. Yeah but what's that got to do with you? Well in my mind it's one thing to support him kind of

passively I think there was some justice. Well, in my mind, I'm like, yeah, this is sad and it sucks, but like he literally murdered a guy in cold blood and therefore must face consequences. But I think like people, they're like, well, he is being unjustly persecuted and should walk free because I personally find him hot and likable. And it's kind of like the inverse of what I was yapping about on the last episode

where a lot of people told me like, yeah, actually, when I think about it, the sentence, Derek Chauvin got is a little bit overblown, but he should be in prison for something because I find him personally unlikable and he has bad vibes. He had that look on his face that people don't like. But you know, there's some pictures of Luigi where he's looking a little, you know, seething and crazed. Yeah, I was thinking about that. People really editorialize the way they want to valorize people.

Yeah, he's giving Al Pacino and Dog Day afternoon. Yeah. But, um, yeah, I, I try not to like even overthink or overanalyze those photos because I don't want to like project my preconceptions onto the sky, honestly, cause it feels like dirty and sorted. Yeah. And like, who knows what he's thinking, what's going through his head at any given moment when he's like snapped by courtroom photographers.

Sure, yeah. Like who knows. No, no, no, I'm not saying. And I'm sure you can find an angle of anyone where they look like evil and seething and nefarious. I'm planning on those with me. I'm like, that's not fair. Which is, by the way, is not a defense of Luigi Mangione because I don't like him

and think he committed a crime and think he should be punished accordingly. I don't dislike him, but do think he's a criminal who is, you know. Who should face the consequences of his actions for the benefit of all of society, not to punish him specifically. Yeah. And like people don't understand this.

They're like, oh yeah, like personally, I find him to be like not only attractive, but like a positive role model or something, so therefore he should walk. It's just not how it works. Well, it is how it was. It's like actually how, like, which is why that girl being like,

it's crazy how Luigi, but Kyle, like she's actually right in a weird way because you can say like facts aren't feelings, but also feelings aren't facts. Yeah, I forget that. And you're like, I often think my feelings are facts, actually. Yeah, we all do. You have to like, zoom out and be like, wait a minute.

There's actually like completely more like plausible and mundane narrative for for why things happen the way they did. Yeah. Anyway, but like people are acting like Luigi is getting like the book thrown at him and that's just simply not the case. He's, yeah, took matters into his own hands, seemingly wanted to get caught. And now is facing the repercussions, which he's probably enjoying. He was of sound enough mind to do he was, you know, it's just, if I was a lawyer, it'd be a very easy case. I was a judge for a juror.

I mean, yeah, but he's like young and dumb and just having fun and it hasn't fully sunk in what it means to be on trial facing the death penalty. The death penalty is like a separate thing that I think about a lot. I was thinking about this in the shower the other day, like reflecting, because it's like Christmas time. Mentally ill.

Like how I'm against abortion in principle, but I can't be against abortion in principle, but I can't be against it in practice. But- You're for the death penalty. In principle. In principle. Yeah. But in practice, yeah, it's hard.

Well, there are certain crimes that absolutely deserve and warrant the death penalty, such as rape, murdering a woman and or a child, but it really freaks me out, and I could be wrong, that the state is allowed to play God. Well, it's just there's so many problems with the legal system that in practice, right? Like even if one person is wrongly executed,

then the whole premise of the death penalty is unethical. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like, I guess what I'm getting at. And so like, I just like shut my mouth and try to like, and like take the, what's, sorry, I'm so drunk. The high road? No, no, no.

I like just follow the lead of like various men in my orbit who are much less confused and ambiguous feeling about and emotional and are just like, yeah, like certain people just deserve the death penalty and she got it. And it's like, you know, you look at like these innocence project guys and just assume that they're innocent because they're associated

with something called the innocence projects. So you're like, oh yeah, they're innocent because they're associated with something called the Innocence Project. So you're like, oh yeah, they're like wrongfully accused and this is unfair and it's systemic racism. And you're like, you look at what they're actually convicted of and it's like, oh, he sealed a mother and daughter in the trunk of a car and set the car on fire, but not before raping them both.

But yeah, but then there's always something like, but he was a 19 year old street artist from Detroit when he did it. And like, and usually there's some, he was under house and under resourcing that happens with the, you know, then it's like they, they've, yeah, no, there's a large effort. It seems, I don't know like how many people are, have been wrongfully executed actually in history, but like very small amount of people, but the impression one would get through the like initiatives

and lobbies of stuff like the Innocence Projects and like Liz Brunig, you know, it's like every black guy in death row is wrongfully accused. Yeah, which is crazy and not true. Yeah. Which is crazy and not true. Like a lot of them did do a crazy home invasion where they raped and murdered the whole family and then made off with like a TV and an iPhone. Like that's fact. Yeah. But still I have this like woman thing where I'm like nervous and squeamish about death penalty. I mean, I'm not like bullish on it. You know, I'm not like, I don't think Luigi needs to be executed. Well, that was one of the, um, I guess you like, yeah, I would be okay with him spending the rest of his life in prison. I don't know that he needs to be executed. That's fair. Like he could you know, I don't think

Yeah, he did the crime. He does the time but I don't think he is like you know past the point of Personal redempt like, you know, I don't think he's a danger to society and needs to be you know, I think if you're in jail and you hurt or kill someone or jail, prison, whatever, then you should get the death penalty. Because at that point you've proven

that you can't even be incarcerated. And the death penalty is more humane than like solitary in my opinion. Yeah, and like I wonder what the final tab is for keeping someone in prison for life versus executing them is. They're both really costly to taxpayers. I think Jokar Tarnayev is on death row. But can you get a sentence commuted? I'm not sure. We should fact check this, but I assume... But whatever. or it's Harnay of is on death row. But it's good. Can you get a sentence commuted?

I'm not sure. We should fact check this, but I assume, but whatever. But yeah, but that even being on death row is decades of appeals and it's a long, you know. Yeah, they have you in there forever. It's not that easy to execute someone. They're like feeding you, clothing you. Yeah, there's an appeal system, whatever.

And like this retarded leftist thing where they're like, why is he getting hit with a terrorism charge when he only killed one guy versus school shooters who kill multiple people? And it's like, well, it's like the intention, the premeditation. And when's the last time a school shooter got a lenient sentence? Yeah, and it's usually school shooters throwing the gun on themselves. It's not because they're showing preference

to the Brian Johnsons of the world versus the Sandy Hook kids of the world. That's not like what's going on here. No, that's bonkers. It has to do with the nature of the crime. Yeah. And most school shooters do the death penalty on themselves. Yeah, that's true. But I can't remember the last time it's like survived. Yeah. Well, yeah, this girl turned the

gun on herself and it's, um, what was I going to say? Oh yeah. It was very shocking. The one thing that stood out to me in her, I was going to say her memoir, her manifesto. I guess a manifesto is a memoir of sorts. Yeah, where she's really just like laying in and talking about how people are filth and scum and they deserve to die and blah, blah, blah. It's very weird and unusual to see that impulse surface in a woman. In a teen, I was very misanthropic when I was a teenager.

I mean, me too, I was, I was like depressed. I was in like school shooter mode, but I was definitely like. Yeah, I like thought the world was totally against me. Yeah, it was evil, everyone was, you know. Yeah, like, yeah, you were like the bad seed sowing evil and were confused as to why. It felt unfairly

persecuted by those around you like your parents who were actually acting totally like rationally and soundly and thinking that you were weird. But like, I can't remember ever thinking like other people around me deserve to die. Yeah, that's crazy. That's a crazy sort of ideation. Yeah, that's crazy. That's a crazy sort of ideation. I know. And I don't know substitute teacher. That's just like, yeah, that's really depressing.

Well, these stories are always very depressing and ironic. Like the fact that the school is called like abundant life. Yeah, abundant. Yeah, it was like a venue of death. Yeah. Yeah. And I think she wasn't even like, she was new there. She hadn't been there for very long because she was in the public school system previously.

Yeah, she doesn't seem even like the kind of like, you know, don't come to school tomorrow because I've got like a kill list or whatever. Like it seems just really random and chaotic and sad. Yeah, that's true. But it's fine. She'll actually literally be forgotten in like the next few days. And so will the Germany guy, but not Luigi. We're going to have to deal with him for a few weeks to a few months. Yeah, I think it'll, you know. Yeah, it'll. There'll be another wave.

Yeah, we're gonna forget about him for a year and then a year from now, the verdict is gonna come in. It's like what happened with Daniel Penny. Like no one was talking about him for a year. Yeah. But people forgot about that guy real quick. Well, good. Yeah, good for him. He can go on with his life. He doesn't have to become like a Kyle Rittenhouse. Yeah

Influencer. Yeah, I wonder what Kyle Rittenhouse is up to now I was like halfway expecting to see him at the young Republicans gala. He chimed in on He said I think he said he was like stop comparing Oh, he said, I think he said, he was like, stop comparing. We're not at all like, yeah. I mean, fair, fair. How long have we been going? An hour and five. Which time do we have?

Well, we have like. We, we should leave in like 15, 20. Okay. What if we both got each other the milkmaid dress for? For Christmas? For Christmas. That's funny. The dress.

Yeah, looks like shit. It just okay. So I feel like the discourse on that is split between that the dress is immodest. Yeah, like women who think it's demeaning and objectifying women who have to pretend they love the dress to stay in good standing with the sisterhood cartel and then men who are all basically just like, hey, I just like seeing heavy hangers, like mommy, milkers, and all you bitches is jealous.

And my take on it is yes, the dress is demeaning, but not because it's revealing or objectifying, but because it's low quality and cheaply made. Yeah. Like you can have a sexy dress that's higher quality. Part of the thing about being sexy is wearing low quality cheap shit. Yeah.

But there's something about like the signaling of the dress. And then the idea of buying the same dress. It's very, wake up sheeple. Like you're all gonna get the raw milk, fucking base soup address and wear it for your fat husband. Like good for you. Your fat and weak husband who doesn't deserve anything.

As a male friend of mine pointed out, it's like yes men notice when clothing is poorly made and low quality, but they don't care. Right. Especially if the wear don't care. Right. Especially if the wearer is hot. Yeah. And then if the wearer is like fat and unattractive, they hold you in contempt or worse don't notice you.

But yeah, there's just like something specifically annoying about the dress being made out of like carcinogenic Chinese viscose. I think this one's more cotton than the last one, which remember they like, you know, that's people cause people came from the first time about that. So this one is I think mostly cotton. Like what Alibaba factory are they making the dress up for real? It also days being a woman because you can't say anything critical about women

without being accused of jealousy. Yeah. I mean, I got a lot of dresses that look like that. You do? I'm not. I'm not jealous. I just don't want this one. Yeah.

Because it's not special. We're gonna nag them into sending us a pair of the EV magazine milkmaid dresses. I mean, I'd wear it. Riley would probably like, you know, he'd but I'd rather on my like daisy brodery one that's a little better. It has more of like an art ho edgy vibe to it. Yeah, it has an actual like ribbon corseting and it has it's a little better made. It has more of like an art hoe edgy vibe to it. Yeah, it has an actual like ribbon corseting and it's a little sheer but with like. It's a little like. It's like slightly perverted.

In a way that this dress isn't. Yeah, well then I sent you that ad they made for it where she has the milk mustache and the heavy hangers and the got wrong milk. The cum mustache. I said, this is Freudian terrorism. You know, some of us were emotional, some of us weren't breastfed, you know,

for some of us, it's a hard time of year. And we don't necessarily want, you know. To be reminded. To be reminded, yeah. Of how you're so thirsty for milk. Ha ha ha. Should we talk about that article in the cut? Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

Ariana, I had to look this lady up. It's so dark. I thought they, I mean, yeah, so Ariana Grande was doing SpongeBob the musical, I think, that's how she met this guy. Okay, okay, wait, I was confused. I was like, wait, I thought she did Wicked. That's how she met this guy. Okay, wait, I was confused. I was like, wait, I thought she did Wicked.

She's doing Wicked now. But I think she met him, okay, this fact-check, me whatever. Wait, my question is, how does a guy who's married to like a pediatric clinical psychologist get to meet Ariana Grande? Because he was a Broadway actor. Oh.

He was playing SpongeBob in the SpongeBob musical. And then they, okay,. And they have the same like weirdly black eyes for how pale they are. He looks like her gay brother. And he cruelly dumped his wife and left his child to be with Ariana Grande who bewitched him. And then she wrote an essay on the cut, explaining her divorce and introducing herself in like BAP voice, how it make you feel. Yeah, I mean, I thought it was relatively classy. It was, but that's what drives me nuts about it.

Because this essay was unlike all the other telling my story essays in that it was sober, sedate, classy. Michelle Obama took the high road when they go low. She never once mentions Ariana Grande. No, or her husband. Or her husband. I initially Googled the photographer

who took the photo of her, and then was really confused. And it was like, then Googled like husband, and it was like, and then I was like went back, then looked at her name, then looked her up, then saw the Daily Mail. Then I was like, okay, this is, because I read the whole thing before knowing

what the situation was thinking she was gonna drop it. She was gonna say, yeah, my husband, my husband left me for Ariana Grande. Which would be the normal and natural and humble thing to do. But instead there's all these like, my celebrity husband, when I married him, when I chose, I deleted Facebook

because I'm so discreet and blah blah, I'm such a good therapist and my husband, our marriage was one in which I had this very discrete profession, this very public one, but she's never saying him his name or what. And it's also mercifully short. And maybe I'm so cynical and black-pilled, but I was initially like sympathizing with her

and being like, oh, how modest and classy. And then now that, like literally now that you've said it, I'm like, wow, she's like a fierce and monstrous person. And what he did was evil and contemptible. But human. But she also like has a hand in this. And when she said, if I can't be invisible anymore, I may as well introduce myself.

You know how a sponge is more effective at absorbing liquid when it's already a little bit wet. Please don't over sexualize my tightwad pussy. Ma'am, please, you're a little what? She repeatedly states how she strove to be private and invisible in her personal life. Here's a couple of quotes. In this season of shock and mourning,

over a year after the end of my marriage was made public, I deeply miss the life of invisibility I created for myself as a psychologist specializing in women's mental health. And then here's another one. I loved my life working in a helping profession and being immersed in details of other people's stories rather than documenting my own narrative for public consumption. So she's like a clinically trained psychologist who works with women and children. And so like privacy and invisibility are sort of like part and parcel of her career. And therefore her identity.

There's a really interesting part where she talks about, um, being a psychologist at the Children's Hospital in Philadelphia, supporting women pregnant with babies facing severe or fatal diseases, while she's pregnant with her own, like healthy, viable son. Yeah. Which actually reminded me of Eli's mom who's sitting in the other room. Yeah. Cause she works in, she's a pediatric palliative care social worker, which is an insane job to have. Um,

she's like the godmother of the field. She invented it. Um, but she says, I willed my healthy son glowing inside of me not to overhear these conversations, survival rates, palliative care, congenital anomaly. Please be okay, I tried to communicate to him. I swaddled my healthy pregnancy in baggy sweaters, bracing for the day a patient would notice

my growing fortune and ask, why me and not you? It was the first time a fact about me was announcing itself to a patient, but no one said a word, which like I can relate to like the idea of not wanting to showcase your pregnancy to women who are facing tragic and or terminal pregnancies facing tragic and or terminal pregnancies because you want to protect your own healthy child

from any like- Ill will? Yeah, like karmic bleeding into your own situation. Like I get that. I mean, when I had to get that intravaginal ultrasound because I thought I had a variant cyst, the lady who performed it on me had tons of pictures of her kids, you know? And I like thought that was a little,

because certainly she was at like a, you know, OB, it wasn't a fertility clinic, it was just OB-GYN, but there probably are women there who, you know, and it was so she asked me if I was expecting. Yeah. I was like, no, bitch. So it's like either insensitive or malicious. Or it's just they don't think it.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but. But then she goes on, despite my patients being thoughtful, curious, and attentive, not a single one acknowledged our shared condition. I truly believe they did not allow themselves to see my pregnancy at all.

Knowing that the person they asked to witness their grief was floating through a healthy pregnancy was too much to contend with, so they looked away. That felt to me like a lot of damning with faint praise. Like it's almost like she believes the opposite of what she's saying about her patients, that they could have been like more thoughtful and curious and attentive and she wanted them to be and they weren't. And I'm sure like that some of them didn't mention it not because they were protecting themselves but because they were protecting themselves

but because they were protecting her. Well also because they're her patient. Yeah. And like what she also describes in the article like the dynamic of a patient, an alizand. Yeah. And their shrank is yeah you like you're not that interested. You're paying them to be your therapist. You don't have to ask them about their life. They're not your therapist. As a material matter and also as like a matter of, I don't know, like social harmony,

you don't inquire about the life of your shrink, even if there are certain conspicuous signs that something great or horrible is happening in their life. That's the whole idea. You don't ever cross the fourth wall or whatever. They have their own strength that they talk to about how annoying you are.

Yeah, so these patients that she kind of almost backhandedly accuses of not being sensitive enough. We're just following standard protocol as out of like politeness and decency. That's what it feels like to me, call me crazy. I mean, yeah. But charitably, I think, yeah, okay. She didn't want to be, Charitably, I think, yeah, okay.

She didn't want to be, she married a theater actor. Yeah. Who's kind of fudgy. Well, he was her high school sweetheart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I do think that she wasn't expecting him to fall in love with a Pops. Ariana Grande, yeah. I wouldn't expect that either. I believe that she did want

to have a discreet life, and it's been compromised due to forces out of her control. Yeah, she wanted to have like a normal, happy, married life, with a family, like have a family. Yeah. I get all that. And so like this, I can understand sort of why she would pen this article,

which is pretty compromised and remote and is revelatory of her own psychology in an interesting way, but it still is like, I do feel, I mean, she's a clinical psychiatrist. Or whatever. Psychologist, I guess. So yeah, on some level, I think she made a rational calculation that this was the best way to kind of like save face.

Not save face, but. Well, I was thinking about that. That she had to, like she felt she had to acknowledge this new aspect of her reality that she didn't plan for. No, but see, I don't, I don't buy that. I think like her two options were bring it up individually with her patients, which would possibly be, uh, awkward and unprofessional, but you know, worthwhile or not say anything at all and continue her life

as a private and invisible person. This is something else. And like, I like hate that I have this instinct, this intuition, but every single time like a woman pens a story that's like telling her story like my spidey sense goes off because I know what she's angling at and it's like innocent and understandable as long as she's honest about it but they're never honest about what their real intentions are that's like it's like I don't hate women I just hate how much they lie and make the rest of us bear witness yeah she also does this thing where she repeats this line again

about how her patients surely must know about her public messy tabloid divorce. Yeah, which they very well made. But never seem to mention it in the context of therapy, which why would they? They're,, like being respectful and following the protocol. Yeah.

And also they're like self-interested rational people and wanna talk about themselves. They don't care about her. And they're paying her to talk about themselves. They're in therapies, they probably have a narcissistic disturbance and don't really even really think about her personally. But it's crazy because like the new therapy

is like narcissists interfacing with narcissists. Cause like all therapists are narcissists too now. And like, it almost feels like what she really wants is like the classic thing that all women want, which is like credit for being like dealt an unfair card and handling it gracefully. But the thing is like the moment that you expect the credit, you don't deserve it anymore.

I'm guilty of this myself by the way, where I'm like oh look how reasonable and patient I am in dealing with the haters. I have my reputation for being a vile and vicious cunt is so overblown, which is true by the way, but the minute that I start to ideate that way that I've like lost the war and I'm a raging narcissist who's like on her high horse. And if I was like, and noble person. Yeah, I would not notice. Like everybody wants that, especially women. It's like women will do this thing like in the office where they'll like nurse and help

somebody through getting a promotion and then they'll be mad that they weren't offered the promotion and it's like, well, you didn't specify that you wanted it. Yeah. Or they go out of their way to like do it and care because they want some kind of credit and then exceed because they don't get it. I mean, speaking from experience, you know. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, and you know,

she wants to feel like her being a private and invisible person was a choice and a virtue and not like an accident of her personality or constitution. And I understand that it's like devastating and horrible going through life thinking that you have like a marriage and a family and that your husband likes you for these specific reasons. And then he like flips around and marries a woman

who's like the exact opposite of you and is known for being like a famous anorexic. And you're like, what? Like, okay, I'm not. That's why I wouldn't date him or definitely marry an actor. He's not even a real actor. He is. Okay, but was he?

He's a theater actor, which is real. He's the realest actor of all time. He's kind of the realest actor in a way. But yeah, she thought that they could have, he could be maybe a middling theater actor. Yeah, and I'm sure like a lot of her rage and anger. She's probably so excited when he got cast as SpongeBob. Wait, what did Ariana Grande do on that?

I mean, I might have this all wrong, but that's what I think happened. She had some role. Let me look at it. Okay. But yeah, like a lot of her anger and rage obviously comes from the fact that like, um, she thought it was like a noble thing to live life as like a private invisible person helping others. But then it turns out that her high school sweetheart

who like married her and had a kid with her didn't really care about that and ended up shacking up with like a mega celebrity. Ethan Slater is best known of his role as Sponge ruff skirt pants in the musical of the same name for which he won a Tony Award Okay, so he's like yeah, he's not you know you don't get on Broadway for nothing Oh, okay, never mind they met on the set of wicked. Oh interesting. Okay. Yeah Okay, never mind they met on the set of wicked. Oh Interesting. Okay. Yeah

He began a relationship with Ariana in early 2023 whom he met on the set of Wicked. I mean, it's so hard to analyze the situation because mostly I don't care but What he did to this woman is really gross and despicable. She says, while our partnership has changed, our parenthood has not. Both of us fiercely love our son 100% of the time, regardless of how our parenting time is divided. It's like, yeah, we get it.

Tell us how you really feel. It's like, yeah, you don't have to be like a perfect little cookie cutter martyr at all times. Tell us how you really feel. Yeah, what this guy did to this woman is despicable and unforgivable and frankly wicked. Yeah, naughty. He's a loser and he's not that attractive.

And he's gonna get hit, I mean, he's gonna get his karma retribution which has nothing to do with you. And also I hate to say it, but he and Ariana seem very physically well matched. Right, but she's- They're like right for each other. That's what I mean by his karmic retribution

is like are his relationship with Ariana Grande. I mean, maybe I'm wrong. But who knows? Maybe like she seems volatile, the eating disorder. This lady is a clinical psychologist and should know better has to separate her legitimate and real feelings of betrayal, which would have occurred whether or not he left her

for a celeb. Yeah. From her feelings of narcissistic rage by comparison to the celeb. Yeah. rage by comparison to the celeb. Yeah. Like, which is why she's writing the story in the first place in this way, because this whole affair has readjusted her expectations of like what she wanted from life. Because prior to this, she was like perfectly happy and content with being like an invisible and private person in the helping professions. But then when her husband left her for like a famous pop star,

she started thinking like, wait a second, which is I get it's very sympathetic and understandable. I mean, what would you do? I wouldn't write a story. You would continue your clinical practice. Yeah, I would continue being a private invisible person if that's the life I chose. I would never publicly weigh in on the situation.

I'd be like Dr. Melfi after she got raped in that stairwell. Yeah, total pro. And I say this, by the way, like, like truly with full sympathy for this woman. As a therapist, not as a person. Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, you seem like you're not over her. Yeah, she's already violated the ethical contract

between her and her patients by revealing to them what happened in this way when they already knew and chose not to bring it up as a matter of respect and professional conduct. Yeah. And using her other little anecdotal tidbits, I mean, you're allowed to do that. That's not unethical, but it is just, it gives me pause. And it is super grating how kind of benevolent

And it is super grating like how kind of benevolent and equanimous is that the right word she seems in the article when she's clearly like seething with rage as she should be. Yeah. I wouldn't write the article either. I know it's like crazy. I mean, okay, I have to say she won in the end. Well, she's like Luigi. Yeah. The majority stands with, she's the-

I hope she hears this, bro. She's the sympathetic character in this, even long before when the story came out that this guy left his high school sweetheart and child and stuff everyone was like oh everyone felt bad for her. Yeah she's a pretty young woman with a real job and a beautiful child and she won and her theater kid Broadway husband is dating his own demons. Anorexic ass Ariana. I don't know anything about, I have nothing bad to say about Ariana Grande.

No, no. I really like her. Of course. I'd be devastated if my husband left me for it. That's spinner. I think like if a man leaves you for a major celeb, hey, hey. What can you do?

It's within the realm of human nature. You know, that's reasonable. It's people, especially. Okay. Well, it's just it's human nature. It has nothing to do with you is what I'm saying. It's in part human nature, but also actors. It's a tale as old as time.

They are always cheating. They as old as time. They're, they are always cheating. They're messy as fuck. They're mentally emotionally unstable people. Well, and I bet when he got with her, she was probably like the prettiest girl in their high school and like smart and ambitious. And he was like, yeah, this is what my life is gonna be. And then he met Ariana Grande.

And it was like, whatever, bro, yolo. Well, we have to go to dinner. Oh yeah, that's true. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. We're not allowed to say happy holidays anywhere in Trump's America. Yeah, I've been really like, Merry Christmas.

It's sad when the delivery Mexicans are like, happy holidays, because I'm like, aren't you Catholic? At least Navidad, brother. You don't gotta play with me. Anyway, and Hindu Christmas as well for the Indian listeners. See you in hell. See you. as well for the Indian listeners. See you in hell soon.

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