Red Scare - Berkeley Brain

Episode Date: September 24, 2020

The ladies discuss the new race filter app Gradient, the Union Square climate change countdown clock, Alyssa Milano calling the cops on a teen, and Judith Butler's latest interview in The New Statesma...n.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm recording talking to your mic. Hello. Yeah. Hi. Hello, we're back we're back. My jewel is dangerously low. It's gonna run it at any moment I can tell. No, like the juice is almost gone in the in the pod. How long does one of those things last? This one's lasted me a while, but I don't jewel like around the clock. Yeah, I'll like lose it periodically and then find it and be like, Oh my god, my jewel. But it's definitely not gonna last the length of the pod. That's fine. How are you? Maybe well, maybe it's like Hanukkah. There was only enough jewel pod juice to last for 15 minutes, but it lasted for a while. Do
Starting point is 00:01:08 you have other jewel pods? No, I have to go get some. It's okay. It's not a disaster. It's not a disaster. Take your ass on overhealed smoke show. Did you hear they're gonna change the the metronome and union skirt account down until I run out of jewel? I haven't smoked a cig, by the way, in a few weeks. Really? No, that's not true. I mean, not outside of a social context. I was ripping six on the period latest birthday, but I mean, but outside of like some kind of social setting, I haven't. I mean, do you usually smoke non socially when you're like missing around and hunger fugue downtown? Yeah, I like like to walk around and smoke
Starting point is 00:01:56 cigs or step out for a cig. I like to walk and smoke out my window. I don't get people who are like, let's pause and like stand or like sit down and have a cigarette. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like the whole fun is walking around feeling European. Yeah, smoking a cigarette or like being having social anxiety and needing to do something outside. Like a fidgety with your hand. Yeah, go have a cigarette. We'd have a private conversation on minimizing your cigarette intake. Whatever. I don't think I've had a cigarette in several months now. That's amazing. Yeah. Look at me. I don't really feel markedly better or
Starting point is 00:02:36 anything. Yeah, I don't, I don't feel better from any of my positive habits, like not drinking, not smoking. Like my skin definitely looks better. I look a little healthier and rosier. And most importantly, I don't crave these toxic substances, but do I feel less tired or more energized or well better than myself? Take a toll. Yeah, I'm really starting to yeah, I've cut back on drinking quite a bit as well because I just will lose whole days to yes, like laying around and like crying. Exactly. Having a pounding headache. But now that I'm on that girl lost grind, I can't, I can't afford it.
Starting point is 00:03:25 But yeah, health is a health is a sham, of course. Yeah, I think so too. And I look forward to picking up smoking again someday soon. I know, I think it's also like, you know, you lies always like, well, you know, if you want to look better and healthier, you have to quit smoking, blah, blah, blah. And I think it does help you look better. It does minimally. I think it's all genetics. Like if you're prone to having kind of shitty, saggy skin to begin with, which I am genetically, like it runs in the family, then you're doomed. But I was watching the color of money yesterday with a Tom Cruise and Paul Newman. Paul
Starting point is 00:04:01 Newman died of lung cancer because he was a raging like multiple pack a day smoker and he was probably in his sixties in that film and his skin was taught as hell. No wrinkles, nothing. It's just like he was genetically blessed. Yeah. I see people with great skin ripping sigs all the time and they're going to continue to have great skin. You're probably right. The drinking though. Yeah. I think you look like probably five to 10% worse when you drink and smoke, obviously. Ten I. But the effect is minimal is what I'm saying. I get quite puffy. I think maybe, but it's not, you know, it's not
Starting point is 00:04:38 noticeable to anybody else. I know, just to me. But if you're someone like Wellbeck and you're just genetically screwed, then like, well, like if you tried quitting smoking, like now, I really like the Wellbeck race filter. Oh, that was a really, that was a good one. That's what I am mostly did yesterday was put people to put all my friends and various politicians and celebs through the gradient app race filter because face app used to have the have a race filter and then they took it away. Yeah. Um, so now there's a new one there. I'm not even getting paid to plug this, but the app is called
Starting point is 00:05:21 gradient. If you want to see what you look like. So please stop DMing me about it. I think I look beautiful as all the races. Yeah, you look like Azalea Banks. I look great black. I mean, I think like I've never really had the thought to entertain myself as a black person, but it really breaks my heart that I wasn't born black at this moment in time. That's how I feel when I listen to Keith sweat, like the Brazilian race filter. I love how they said Brazilian too. By the way, originally I heard it was African and they had who do you think made the app Russia or China? I mean, one of those
Starting point is 00:06:03 godless Asian nations. Yeah, Brazil. Okay. Brazil, Asia, David Miranda filter. Yeah. Um, but it's I feel like the right race filter could really repair race relations in this country. It's so much fun. I think we all can put aside our differences to be like, that's funny. Yeah, it's you look really funny. Wow. Everyone looks hot Indian. The Indian race filter did not look convincing. It was the weakest one, but it was like getting like a Sephora makeover. It was just like you with eye shadow. It made me think about getting tan and trying some different eyeliner techniques. Yeah. And like you, you know, now
Starting point is 00:06:49 you know, if you reproduce with like a daisy guy, I've wanted, I've said before I've wanted to have a mixed race baby with a desi guy specifically. And that when I go out to eat with my friend fish, I often feel when we used to go out to eat, I'd be like, I wonder if people think we're like a cool and racial couple. Yeah, you could say I'm pretty forgot. My boyfriend, yeah, he's a different race. They're like, wow, look at that girl. She's so open minded. How does somebody have such great highlights and also be so open minded at the same time? Take that tank. Who's the Nazbol now? I hate that I've had to learn what
Starting point is 00:07:55 Nazbol and stressor is. I still don't know what those I refuse to learn. It's just so embarrassing. I mean, like I've said this before, and I'll say it again, if you're going to roast us or come up with a slur against us by all means, I love it. I enjoy it. But come up with like a cool, legible, pithy one that everyone can understand. I know a lot of critiques lobbied against us are pretty incoherent. Yeah, I'll take Cokehead or whatever. Pick me over. I like when people make the critique that we somehow purport to be authorities on leftist theory or praxis. I haven't even read Marx. I've never cracked open.
Starting point is 00:08:46 I read the short one. Which one is that? The Communist Manifest of the 90-page one. I read that on a plane. That's what Jordan Peterson read too. I read it in college. I skimmed it for sure. Yeah, and then he was like, how can you form an entire orthodoxy around a 90-page one? I read Marx in college, but like fragments kind of, but you know, we're selected to indoctrinate me in liberal arts education. Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably super useful to read Marx, but that ship has sailed for me. It's like getting a tattoo or trying a new drug again, I'm way too old. I think it would be really cringe and corny if I
Starting point is 00:09:33 picked up Marx and suddenly became an authority on Marxism for real. You've got Lash, you've got Polya. Yeah, we've got like second hand Marx. I'm into Young. I've gotten really into Carl Young over quarantine, so that's, I'm thinking a little more archetypal these days. Yeah. That's been good. We're fine. The point is we don't need to change. Yeah, and we would never bill ourselves as authorities and left us. Barely left us. RBG died. Oh, yeah. Oops. Well, yeah, I mean, but this is the thing. I feel really guilty. I have no takes or no opinions about her death. I think like
Starting point is 00:10:27 she was 87. What do you think about her legacy as a judge? I have no idea. Kind of disappointing 87. It's a little too young for an old skinny Jewish person. You thought I was holding out for 97. I just don't understand why they couldn't just pretend that she was still alive. Yeah, I don't think the Supreme Court's like even in session or whatever they call it's not they're not she wasn't like who just turned the camera off on the zoom meeting. Yeah, we could the Dems if they really, you know, they could have kept it afloat through the end of the until the election, at least they could have just kept the facade up. They're doing
Starting point is 00:11:11 it with Joe Biden already. So I don't see why he's been dead for for months, not years. Why not? Yeah, I but I think I told you I feel personally really guilty because this is like the third or fourth time this happened. But I recorded a podcast the night before RBG died with Dan and my sister and literally said on the podcast, when is RBG gonna die? Like why doesn't she just die? She's just holding on out of spite now. And I was like complaining about her and kids. You have done this before. I think with like Bourdain and somebody else. But like she literally died the next day. So like I'm guilty as charged. You said you're
Starting point is 00:11:48 Armenian voodoo. I'm the reason that like Armenian gypsy curse. Yeah, like liberals and leftists are being extra annoying on Twitter. Mad annoying. I like that's my one thing with her dying. I was dreading that moment because I knew it would bring out the worst in both liberals and leftists. I know I was like, Oh, like the liberals are doing that like, they're hyperventilating doing that histrionic thing. It's now it's really over sobbing. And it's like first of all, bitch, like, and then no one will ever take away abortion from you personally. The people that it's gonna hit are gonna be like who are already being impacted by it.
Starting point is 00:12:31 Basically, you are now think things are bad for. Yeah. Abortion will always be legal in New York, like over Cuomo's dead body, whatever. Like I'm pro-life. So I don't have a dog in this. Yeah. I'm very casually pro-life. Yeah. It's like my personal I'm a pullout method. Truth are me too. And casual pro-life. That's great. I love that. Yeah. First of all, no abortion is so overrun by corporate interests. They're not going to stand for an outlawing. Sure. Like, come on now. I also resent how both sides like the progressives and the conservatives use it as like a pawn to inflame their bases. Exactly. It's really gross. I don't
Starting point is 00:13:31 understand why a routine medical procedure, which by the way, I'm ethically horrified by is not is so talk about and it's such a flashpoint. Well, only in America. Exactly. Because a lot of people find it to be ethically abhorrent and consider it to be murder. Well, yeah. The kind of the conservatives and the evangelicals do but and then the liberals and the leftists refuse to. Well, it's very reactionary. Yeah. The ethical component as Poglia says, but like it's very reactionary and that they then have to like double down on how abortions like completely morally sound and uncomplicated and rad or whatever. Well,
Starting point is 00:14:21 that's and then the of course it's like the abortion is rad leftists being like, yeah, fuck RBG. She deserves to die. Yeah. It's rad. It's good folks, whatever, which is equally gross and distasteful. Yeah. I mean, there was so much like cringe emanating from social media the week she the weekend she died. No, no respect for the same city of life whatsoever. Yeah, it'd be so cool if like leftists could say like, yeah, like abortion is really ethically problematic. When something has a heartbeat and is like moving its little opposable thumbs around, you are taking a life. You cannot, I mean, you cannot be so offended about casual
Starting point is 00:15:07 police violence and then be totally flippant about abortion. I agree. Those are lives. And I mean, if you are going to, you could use a pro life agenda to advance like a, you could advance a leftist agenda. I mean, you know, in that if you were really pro life, you would understand that most people have abortions out of economic necessity. Just desperation. Yeah. Being cornered. You would first want to alleviate, you know, all of the economic structural pressures that cause women to have abortions, the disproportionate number of which are poor. Yeah. And then get into like the ethical question of the
Starting point is 00:15:54 procedure itself, you know? Yeah, totally. It's like the only women who don't have abortions out of economic necessity are spoiled, selfish, awful, who use it as a form of like intermittent birth control. And though, yeah, and then those are the same abortion is rat people who are like, I do it again. Yeah. I actually, I liked it actually. It's like kind of a pleasant sensation. Anyway, so Trump says he's going to pass. He's going to appoint a new Supreme Court Justice Friday or Saturday. Congratulations, Dasha. Thank you. It's like both of us. We should just, you know, share duties. Like when
Starting point is 00:16:43 one of us is recovering from Botox or extremely hungover than the other one. Botox is a very short recovery time. Accidentally like sign into law, the legal annihilation. I forgot to read the dossier. But Trump is saying that it will be a woman. Yeah. So it's going to be somebody really evil. What if he flips the script and I mean, they'll never let him. Yeah, they'll never let him have a have a win. It's Kim Kardashian. She seems like she's into morality and jurisprudence. Yeah, actually, not a not a bad idea. Yeah. And like every kind of like Middle Eastern woman with
Starting point is 00:17:31 like disproportionate curves, she would look good in that, you know, black robe that kind of looks like a burka. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a no brainer. Interesting. Yeah. If you're listening, Mr. President, you have our nomination. And then, yeah, and then there's another wave of like people being like, if he even thinks about appointing someone, we're going to burn it all down. Yeah, it's like, you're not going to do anything. Yeah, it's like, what's his name? God, what's that got? Are we going to take matters into our own hands? And it'll be real class war now, baby. We're going to march on the lawn of the
Starting point is 00:18:11 White House and just stand there. We might start another Chaz. It's like Reza Aslan and like various other like public intellectuals who write self-help books or books about popular religion, like threatening to burn it all down. Yeah. It's like, dude, you like call the cops every time a black guy passes by your house. It's like a mailman. Speaking of which, to hear Alyssa Milano called the cops. Oh yeah, right. I'm like a kid in her neighborhood shooting a BB gun. Karen. Classic. Karen Milano. Did you see the video she made a while ago of her like crying over her hair thinning after having COVID? No.
Starting point is 00:19:03 It's like, people don't tell you that this can happen to you. And it's like a video of her combing her hair out of the shower, root to tip, just running a comb through her hair. And of course, like is pulling it out. Yeah. And then like performatively crying. But you can't comb wet hair aggressively. It will break. Yeah. She's blaming her breakage and menopausal balding on COVID. Reminds you of why I hate women. She's a sigh up for the misogyny lobby. And it's working. She's doing a great job. She called the cops allegedly or her
Starting point is 00:19:42 husband did on a teen who was using an air gun to hunt squirrels. Where does she live? Like somewhere somewhere in like California. Calabasas or something. Yeah. And she she claimed that like an armed gunman was on her property because she's traditionally had problems with stalkers. Oh, of course. Classic BPD. Oh my God, stop stalking me. Are you stalking me? But this would be another. No, don't stalk me. Oh, I can't believe you would show up at my address, which is 325 West Calab. I mean, wait, are you
Starting point is 00:20:18 obsessed with me or something? That's scary. She originally claimed like that the the to the police that the suspect was the man in his forties and then the teen turned himself in because he like kind of heard all the commotion and was like anxious. Oh, like admitted to like shooting an air gun to hunt. Working around. But like, this would just be a classic case. Another case of like awfuls behaving awfully. What are you? What does awful mean? Affluent white liberal, female liberal. Got it. Got it. Yeah. It's a great acronym. It's one of the few that I like. But she's also a dedicated
Starting point is 00:21:05 defund the police activist. Of course. She's an abolitionist. I mean, you know, she's one of the important, most important BLM voices. Yeah, she should dole us all it up. It's not too late. It's definitely to run that pick through the gradient filter. You might come out looking like Kelly Rowland. It seems like she's going to have to have a weave after she rips all her hair out to make a Twitter video. So. Oh, yeah, she should get into weaves and get some Indian hair wig on. Psycho hairs.
Starting point is 00:21:40 So she when I hit menopause, I'm going to go full wig. Really? I'm going to start wearing wigs. Just really let my freak flag fly. Yeah, why not? You can get like a Hasidic wig. Just like a really stiff blonde. Chestnut brown. I'm going to go I'm going to go blonde because I think like all, you know, all Armenian, Iranian, Lebanese, whatever ladies go blonde after like 45, 50. It looks nice against their olive skin. Yeah, it'll look better. It looks bad now, but it'll look better. My mom went platinum blonde. She looks like Andy Warhol. She did it herself. She's blonde now. She's like platinum blonde.
Starting point is 00:22:21 Wow. White. It's initially it's a little like, uh, seriously, she looks like. Well, it's hard to see your mom look different. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah. But she literally looks like Warhol or like a Saundra. Free as Saundra. I'm on guard this look. Um, but she, she claimed I have her Twitter response here. God damn it. Shout out to Alyssa Milano, not my mom. Oh, because your mom has a really, is a really prolific Twitter user as well. Food chain, globe analyst. You can follow her. Um, she's way more racist than I am.
Starting point is 00:23:01 And probably cancel your mom. No, actually, I really appreciate my, I don't know if you have a similar experience, but I really appreciate my parents because growing up, they were like, not racist at all, which is remarkable for Russian people. And now, now she's pivoting. Yeah, my parents are, they're not, they're definitely not racist. Yeah. They have kind of normal old world. I mean, there's like a racial anxiety.
Starting point is 00:23:32 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. And make like kind of crude jokes, but they weren't like vitriolically against other races, which is cool. Cause I definitely met Russian parents who wouldn't want me to date a black guy, but no, my parents wouldn't either. That's, is that racist? Maybe. No, I don't know. I feel like the domain of sexuality is ungovernable by a human made laws. I never, listen, I never entertained the thought of like seriously dating a black
Starting point is 00:24:05 guy, but I might have to bump off old Eli because that Brazil filter. Have you put Eli through that? I need to put Eli through. Oh yeah. We should do you like, I see all the, all the options. I don't care, mom. I love my Desi boyfriend, mom, I'm open minded. I had a Pakistani boyfriend all throughout high school, like my high school sweetheart and my, and my grandparents called me once from Moscow. Was he, was he hot? Yeah. He was like Pakistani James Dean.
Starting point is 00:24:33 He was like ripped and had, um, used to roll his sleeves up on his T-shirt. Like boost cars. It's really hot. Um, and then, but, but, um, uh, he kind of looked like, um, Patrick Sandberg, Daisy filter. Not bad. But, um, he, my grandparents called and they were like, uh, how's your Palestinian boyfriend doing? We're like mixed up the two, which was really cute, but they were nice about it. Yeah. They didn't do the whole like no daughter of mine is dating a black lab
Starting point is 00:25:04 thing. My grandma did get a little shook when, um, my parents told her that Adam's family was from South Africa. Oh, she was African. No, no, he's Jewish and she's even worse. Yeah. Uh, being a Jew from South Africa, what a, what a tragedy. You don't even get to take advantage of being a racial minority. Um, or, oh, what, so what did Alyssa Milano say? Um, sorry, it was like spinning
Starting point is 00:25:41 my racism wheels. Um, she said, apparently right wing media and trolls have decided that they should target me because my neighbor called the police after seeing a person dressed in black, holding a rifle behind my home where I live with my young children and husband. Here is my statement and what really happened. And then she like, In glies, lies, what are you lying about today? Alyssa Milano, it's all lies. Uh, she talks about, they were like watching a Giants game and our neighbor spotted a man dressed in all black walking in the woods between our properties
Starting point is 00:26:12 of the gun, blah, blah, blah. Um, her husband called the cops. Um, the cops came over as they sheltered in place. I would like to thank the brave men and women of Ventura County sheriffs as well as the other officers who came to protect and serve our neighborhood. These are exactly the type of situations I thought you wanted to abolish. Well, here, she clarifies it and rationalizes it. Um, these are exactly the type of situations that police officers are trained
Starting point is 00:26:39 for and should be responding to. And we will always support the police having the resources they need for appropriate policing actions. How convenient. It's always like to find the police for the and not for me. Of course. Like she wants to have her finger on that button. So they can shoot a teenager in her backyard.
Starting point is 00:26:59 Yeah. Like shoot someone's dog. The Fat X guy, I mean dressed in black, very dark. I mean, his clothes were dark. He scared me. He scared my young children. And then like, um, her neighbor said she can tweet those things because at the end of the day, she lives behind the gates in a gated community.
Starting point is 00:27:21 She knows the police will come to save her. But what about all those people who don't have that luxury and live in an unsafe neighborhood? She obviously doesn't care. She uses her platform in a hypocritical ways. Why not send your husband into the yard to find out what's actually going on before you call the police? I would guesstimate the response today from law enforcement cost taxpayers
Starting point is 00:27:40 thousands of dollars. Her neighbor really hates it. Neighborhood watch. Yeah. Damn. Oh, God. Well, they're probably up in the hills, so they're not like close neighbors. Yeah, but.
Starting point is 00:27:55 But yeah. What's been to her county? You know, better than I, it's like the valley, I think. Okay. So yeah, it's like probably some, I don't know, nice as part of. Yeah. Alyssa Milano, my God, she's like the archetypal cluster B woman, which is the archetypal woman in that shell.
Starting point is 00:28:17 I'm not a misogynist. I just hate that type of woman, which happens to be the typical type of woman. Hey, I know. I, I don't know. I might be a misogynist. I'm working on it in there. I talk about it with my therapist. You really?
Starting point is 00:28:32 Like, yeah, my misogynistic. Impessiveness. Me too. And then I feel really bad about it. I mean, but yeah, some women that unfortunately are most types. I'm actually, I want more for women. Me too. I'm furious that they're so committed to being huge losers.
Starting point is 00:28:49 I know. And like lying to themselves and others. But I hear that, that, that voice and just nope. I think we can lie to ourselves a little as a treat within reason, like within moderation. That's, it's a feature, not a bug. Any human should have. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:05 Yeah. But like on such a mass scale, like on Twitter, I learned a good turn of phrase the other day in light and exceptionalism. I don't remember where I read it, but it was in reference to like the context as they were talking about Geotalantino's writing and how by being self-aware of her own complicity, she absolves herself of like critique. Because that's not Lauren Oiler. I don't think it was.
Starting point is 00:29:29 It was some other female critic in reference to that. But like, I find this position to be very like morally ugly and indecent. And I find it to be the kind of chief central position of virtually any kind of like media or academia girl, you know, and like, I don't mean to like, I'm not trying to like judge anybody individually or whatever because I get it and people are doing the best they can, you know, yeah. But like, you know, all the stuff, the confessional mode, the whole emphasis and telling your story, it's all designed to allow women to do what they do best,
Starting point is 00:30:10 which is humble brag in the guise of victimhood. No, I'm serious. Yeah. That's all it is. It's like every one of these kind of like books, articles, artwork, social media posts comes down to look at me. I'm so pretty. Look at me. I'm so smart.
Starting point is 00:30:25 Look at me. I'm so thin. Look at me. I'm so sexually desirable. Like at the end of the day, it's like, you don't have to tell us. We can make our own judgments. Yeah. And like, I think like if we can,
Starting point is 00:30:36 Unfortunate. Yeah. Yeah. And if we can get past that, that's already a major step forward for feminism. If we can acknowledge that about ourselves, which by the way, all of us are guilty as charged. Of course. I haven't written a personal essay, but I would. Well, yeah, I mean, sure.
Starting point is 00:30:58 I would too, I guess, if it was like the right one. I don't know. That's a good question, whether I would or not. But like, yeah, it's, I don't. I don't find us, if I had a story to tell. But, but yeah, I don't, I mean, I don't mind like, like I was reading Chris Krause recently again, and I was reading, what's her face?
Starting point is 00:31:21 Jordan Wolfson's aunt. I don't know. Who's his aunt? She's a psychologist. She's, she's like married to a shrink and she's a writer. Okay. She wrote Fear of Flying. And like, they are very kind of both narcissistically confessional,
Starting point is 00:31:39 but I like, I mean, it's interesting and fun and funny. It has. I think you can do it in a, in a fun and funny way. Yeah. And you can, I mean, I, I read Mary Gates' skills essay collection recently. Yeah, she's good. And there's some personal essays in there and they're great because there she's able to very, what most personal essays fail to do is like extrapolate on your personal
Starting point is 00:32:04 circumstances onto something kind of more broader, universal. And she's very skilled at kind of like, she, she has a great essay actually on like date rape. That's sort of a response to, it's probably written around the time that like Pallia's date rape essay was popular. And she kind of tells her own story of being, of being kind of like date-raped while on acid. Yeah. Um, and then sort of breaks it down into really, she touches on like a core kind of emotional
Starting point is 00:32:39 truth of it. Yeah. That's not that it doesn't like victimize her. Yeah. But it gives it a more resonant. It's hard. You have to be a really good writer, I think. So.
Starting point is 00:32:47 Yeah. And you have to be very conscious of your motives outside of your like faculty with prose and style. Totally. And I think there's a lot of motives or major. Yeah, there's a lot of writers who are like stylish, but delusional. So it's only like half the battle. But yeah, no, you have, I think the point is to kind of universalize the particular rather
Starting point is 00:33:12 than personal or particularize the universal and like make it about you. I think it was like a John Updike quote from way back when I forgot who he was talking about. Another great misogynist. But I think I feel like a lot of women secretly see this about themselves. And hate themselves and other women on some level and discuss it with their shrinks. But it's not anything that's ever discussed like above the surface or on the surface. Well, you get called a pick me if you want up to your misogynistic feelings. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:46 But by the way, listen, I don't express certain, you know, quasi misogynistic opinions or feelings for the benefit of men who I think are also not worthy of respect for the most part, but for the benefit of other women. Yeah, I exactly. I want, I want more. Yeah. More for chicks. Me too.
Starting point is 00:34:09 Like we don't have to pander to men. No, there's no point. They're not worth our while. Like the vast majority of them are like howards and shit rats and like soy boys. I mean, spot the lie. Yeah. And like, they'll probably pick you anyway. So it's, yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:34:28 It's fine. You don't have to. I know they'll, they'll literally pick you if you're like, you have a hole. Yeah. Yeah. You could have, you could be like morbidly obese and like have thinning hair and no teeth and they'll still pick you if you have a warm orifice. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:34:45 I'm sorry. Damn. But I think people like fine if you're like, like a writer, an artist fine, but I reserve my greatest disrespect for women like Alyssa Milano and Rose McGowan who try to make it into a political thing. Yeah. And who pre, especially who previously traded on their sexuality. So successfully, you know, I'm like the pussy stuff market.
Starting point is 00:35:22 Pussy is it an all time low like bad news folks. Pussy stock. My sister like angrily sent me some story about how it was also from the Daily Mail. Oh, by the way, all these stories are from the Daily Mail. Yeah, that's where we get our news. Twitter, the Daily Mail. No, I feel personally ashamed when I read Gothamist because it feels so provincial and like low, but we'll be talking about a Gothamist article today.
Starting point is 00:35:44 What was, who published the Butler interview? New Statesman. Yeah, that's, I don't know what any of these websites are and I have a really hard time mixing up which ones are like bad or I'm not supposed to be reading. I'm always like, is this a reputable source? Why not? I'm reading like bright part. I'm like, I don't remember.
Starting point is 00:36:04 This is bright part still exists. They must. Yeah. I'm gonna look this up. I'm curious. Bright part, bright part. Um, what were we talking about? Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:17 Oh yeah, this article that my sister sent me where Rose McGowan was talking about how she felt coerced and manipulated into wearing that see-through sequin dress she wore on the red carpet. No, don't take that away from us. And it's like, but you looked so hot and sexy and you knew it and you wanted it. Like you weren't coerced. She was like, oh, the patriarchy made me show my because Marilyn Manson. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:38 It was like, no, you were like 25 and really hot and like wanted to show it off and like flaunt it. It's okay. We get it. Like you're literally like, you looked great. Don't an actress and some famous guy's girlfriend. Like that's like wouldn't situation. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:57 No, that's don't don't take the see-through dress away from us. Rose McGowan. I know. I know. It was like an iconic ASC of bright part is they're still they're still doing their thing. Yeah, they're still up and running. What's so what's on bright part? Breakout gear.
Starting point is 00:37:21 Protests break out gear unloaded from you haul after no murder charges in Breonna Taylor case. One officer indicted for wanton endangerment. I guess they're talking about the Breonna thing. These actors are now blacklisted from Hollywood. Okay, boring. Something blah blah. It seems very boring.
Starting point is 00:37:42 Actually, I was expecting some some some more salacious. Yeah. Oh, here's a good one. Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi want to import socialism putting America on a path to Medicare for all tell President Trump to stop them now. That'd be nice. Is that true? That's cool.
Starting point is 00:38:02 Finally, some good news. Yeah. I wish I wish Joe Biden Nancy Pelosi were putting us on a path toward socialism and Medicare for all. I love that this is like the way that the left and the right view each other is so like caricatured and retarded. You can't even like use. Yeah, I don't even think it's confused. I think it's like deliberate like there's no way like someone like Steve Bannon thinks that Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi are socialists.
Starting point is 00:38:36 I think it's just it's all media is just pandering to like confirmation bias at this point. Yeah. You know, they're just telling you what you want to hear. I've never felt less excited about politics, which is a great feeling. I'm looking the debates on Tuesday, I think. Oh, yeah, we should watch it. We should watch it in Trump one. Oh, yeah, we should talk about the push to get everyone to register to vote.
Starting point is 00:39:04 Oh, yeah. The deadline was I thought the deadline was like a while ago. Yeah, I thought I already I thought the boat sailed unregistering to vote because we're making such a big deal about it like a couple months ago. Yeah. So how am I why should I think that this is the real deadline? They're like, you can register to vote at clandestino or dimes. Yeah, I am a proud non-voter. It's simply none of my business.
Starting point is 00:39:34 I know. It's none of my business. What happens to this country? I'm upper middle class now, bitch. I'm minding my own business. Oh, God. I have abortion on demand. Yeah, I don't know, I don't I don't see the utility of voting in a situation where both candidates are equally shitty.
Starting point is 00:39:59 No, and I resent being, you know, told that I have some kind of moral imperative to vote for Joe Biden. Yeah, because you don't really doesn't make in dear voting to me at all. No matter how many boots Carly Kloss puts on, they vote down the side. Oh, yeah, she had that these boots. Boots are made for voting. Lots of heinous voting, voting fashion. She's the one who's married to the other Kushner that nobody talks about. Yes, exactly.
Starting point is 00:40:31 Right. She's like the other Ivanka. So she's like in bed with the Trump family. Literally, yeah. Yeah. So get out there and vote. It's crazy to me also that Carly Kloss probably sees herself as like morally superior to Ivanka Trump and they're literally the same woman.
Starting point is 00:40:50 They have the same dimensions. I mean, Ivanka has bigger tits because they're fake, but other than that. And Carly Kloss is a real model of where it's Ivanka. That was a fleeting team model. I love Ivanka's model. I know, I love her face. She was so beautiful, very Slavic. Yeah, I love her and Paris Hilton in their like 17 year old modeling days.
Starting point is 00:41:11 Those are like, those images are so like, they're like glittering images. Totally, truly. Yeah. Carly Kloss has never produced a glittering image in her life, in spite of being like the most highly compensated supermodel of all time, I think. I mean, seeing her in those black boots really triggered some epigenetic Nazi trauma for me, honestly, I thought of Come and See when that like Nazi woman's eating the lobster while they're like burning down the Belarusian village.
Starting point is 00:41:43 That's what Carly Kloss looks like to me in her Nazi voting boots. I hate, I just picture those boots like crushing my neck. I know, you're frail Slavic. Get out there and vote. It's also like, you know, I go on Instagram and there's like that banner now at the top. That's like above some like influencers flat abs. That's like, did you register to vote? And it's like literally the one thing that I hate the most in this in this world,
Starting point is 00:42:13 which is why I hate women, is feeling emotionally manipulated and coerced. I am with you. I don't like being lied to. I don't like being manipulated. Yeah, I don't like what's that thing you said like in 2018 about like how it's just like a feeling of like insane powerlessness and demoralization when you don't inhabit the same plane as somebody else. Yeah, the same plane of reality.
Starting point is 00:42:40 Exactly. Yeah. And it's like very alienating. Yeah. And I hate feeling like there's like a concerted PR campaign to make you feel like a morally shitty person for not doing something that is a waste of your time and contradicts your interests. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:03 By the way, I see like the whole, I understand that like this is not merely a presidential vote and that you can vote for like local officials. And that is also meaningful, but that's my guess. That's not what we're here to talk about. Yeah, so maybe I could be swayed on that basis, but it's also like who are the local officials like DSA endorsed socialists that are like the future foot soldiers of the DNC? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:43:32 Yeah, I don't know. Like it doesn't matter here specifically. I think elsewhere. I wanted Cynthia Nixon to beat Cuomo. Yeah, it was a cute little moment. I forgot about that. Yeah, I ran into her at the Pickle shop downtown in Lower East science. So I remember it vividly.
Starting point is 00:43:54 But you know, I would vote if I felt like I really wanted someone to win, you know? Yeah. Yeah, but there's like nobody that's like captivating or... Isn't that their job to motivate you to vote for them if they, you know? I know, it's like crazy because the Democrats entire electoral campaign has been just like motivating people to not vote for the other guy. They can't even mount a convincing, compelling case for their guy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:25 Because there isn't any, and also it's illegal to vote for dead people. That's why I'm just saying. And that's why I resent it, because it's like, don't you, there's a fascist at the wire. That doesn't absolve the Democrats from not representing my interest in just generally being horrible at politics. Yeah. They deserve to lose. They probably won't.
Starting point is 00:44:50 Yeah, I don't even, I guess I'm vaguely interested in the outcome of the election. But yeah, like Trump is also like too much of a pog to be a fascist. Seriously. He's a big fat ass. Like, yeah, he's definitely not a body fascist. Yeah. I saw somebody tweeting about how like he's, you know, don't, don't be confused by his foe working class cadence.
Starting point is 00:45:15 He's actually an elite and I was like, well, yeah, no shit, but they like furnished some pictures of his like gilded house. It's like, I'm sorry, but that's how most working class people would furnish their home if they had the means they wouldn't do. Like elite taste is like that kind of like warm Danish Undesign minimal. That looks like a fucking Airbnb. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:45:36 Those are the people you shouldn't trust. Real elites are also, did you see the leaked pictures from Epstein's little St. James? No. They like released a new set of weird like photos that look like they were taken on like a disposable camera and the decor is truly depraved. It's like, it's not. It's weird. It's really, really weird.
Starting point is 00:45:59 It's vague, kind of like, I think the Daily Mail probably has a good article about it. The only right, if it's not the Daily Mail, how can I know if it's reputable or not? Yeah, the last remaining reputable news outlet. Strange photos, see how sinister Jeffrey Epstein's blah, blah, blah. I saw some, somebody had turned him into a avatar thing. Oh, that's interesting. That's another, I'm going to put him through the gradient race up when we're done here. Oh yeah, true, smart.
Starting point is 00:46:45 Wait, where are the pictures? I'm like trying to find the pictures. He has like a lot of like weird. They're kind of, yeah, it took me a while. Incoherent decor, like it's like a glass table. Table with like a 90s porn couch. It looks very mismatched and kind of stuck. I bet you Gillen decorated it conforming with her odd ball.
Starting point is 00:47:09 Yeah. Psychedelic, all-putting sense of fashion. Coco Pelle, Southwestern. I get why they were in New Mexico because they like that kind of ayahuasca style. What are we talking about? I don't know. Oh, Judith Butler? Sure, we can talk about Judith Butler.
Starting point is 00:47:33 I want to see the flight logs whether Judith Butler or not. They're going to release them soon, like a full, a full flight log list. Oh, I thought they were already released. Why did I think that? And they should appoint Dershowitz to the Supreme Court as the last fuck you to the nation. There you go. That's then we'll really burn, then we'll really take matters into our own hands. Then it's the guillotine for you, Mr. Trump.
Starting point is 00:48:00 Mr. Dershowitz, clean your teeth. He has the most disgusting teeth. Dershowitz is such a monster. His teeth look like they would like come off if you touch, like they seem chalky. Crumble. I think a nightmare. Judith Butler-famed academia lesbian. Yeah, a new interview with her.
Starting point is 00:48:23 Oh, we forgot to talk about the metronome. Sorry, I smacked in a really gross Zizekian way. That's the hardest part about doing a Zizek impression is getting all the snorting and lisping down. Like through a whip smacking. I won't even try. The climate change metronome, we don't have to talk about it. I agree with your tweets, like boring.
Starting point is 00:48:44 It used to be that the national debt was what those numbers were, which is way cooler. Biffo Berardi actually writes about it in his book, The Uprising on Poetry and Finance, how as the debt becomes more astronomical, it changes our conceptual understanding of what it means and then that trickle down and influences language and blah, blah, blah. But yeah, now it's like countdown clock. So that's just going to be, it's going to be so anticlimactic too, and like the world doesn't end in whatever arbitrary number they made up. Who says we have seven years left and whatever.
Starting point is 00:49:22 Who says? Who says? Yeah, it's probably less. I'm glad that they're creating jobs, I guess. They've employed some, some like public arts curator to like oversee this project. And he gives, he gives sound bites to news outlets. Yeah. At least one guy is.
Starting point is 00:49:38 One guy is eating during the pandemic. Changing the clock in Union Square. And also of course this is like a totally fake non-story because this is only up for like climate change week or whatever. Oh, then they're going to switch it back? Yeah, it's like the normal clock. So then what's the point of having a countdown clock if nothing, if you don't even get to the end?
Starting point is 00:49:58 Yeah, it's up for like a fraction of the time. Oh my God, it's so annoying and boring. And they also threw in a Greta Thunberg reference. It's funny because nobody talks about Greta Thunberg or George Floyd or any of the pandemic slash riot personas. I'm just talking about the race filter mostly. Well, the pandemic, I was going to say, I really took the wind out of climate changes sales. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:28 Because it was like, oh, this, this, this apocalyptic fantasy. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Also that. And then it was like, I didn't see a pandemic coming. Yeah. And then, yeah, that's true because it was such a blow to the world economy.
Starting point is 00:50:44 And actually some people think that. Yeah. I just don't trust science. I have so little trust in any institution or purported expert. Yeah. And who could blame me? Yeah. I mean, like, okay, like what Deanna said on our podcast way back when
Starting point is 00:51:05 the, you know, we got a lot of flak for her. She's absolutely right. Climate change. Deanna Abbas vindicated. Yeah. Always like black trans lives, all of these things are like plausible causes with like real world effects that are basically a symbolic effigy for like affluent liberals because there's no stakes or no goals for them.
Starting point is 00:51:27 Yeah. They don't actually ever have to suffer the effects of climate change or meet a black trans person if they can talk about this and like look like good people eternally like spin their wheels. Yeah. With Judith Butler case in point. Totally. So good.
Starting point is 00:51:45 That's a good pivot. Yeah. New Statesman. Does the name of the man? Yeah. They published an interview with Judith Butler where the, I didn't really get the angle. Again, don't know what New Statesman is. They seem to really be harping on the JK Rowling.
Starting point is 00:52:02 Yeah. Stuff. Yeah. Like the interviewers seem to keep referencing JK Rowling. Yeah. And almost trying to get Butler to say something contradictory. Or controversial. Or controversial.
Starting point is 00:52:17 But Butler would take her very kind of nonsensical measured academic stance. Yeah. Which is what she's always done, which is why she's so infuriating as a thinker. Let me find a quote of hers. She said, as I remember the argument in gender trouble, the point was rather different. First one, one does not have to be a woman to be a feminist and we should not confuse the categories. Men who are feminists, non-binary and trans people who are feminists are part of the
Starting point is 00:52:54 movement if they hold to the basic propositions of freedom and equality that are part of any feminist political struggle. She went on to say that trans exclusionary radical feminists do not comprise mainstream feminist thought and are actually kind of outliers trying to derail the conversation. And that feminism is implicitly a trans inclusionary movement. Yeah. I mean, I don't disagree. But also, again, this interview, which I saw people accusing of being illegible or word
Starting point is 00:53:36 solid or whatever, it's not even that. It's just like things we already know. Like there was no controversy. I mean, I think she was shilling a book. Oh, I didn't even notice. So that was probably the purpose. I didn't even notice. But already in the first question, she's lying for clout.
Starting point is 00:53:52 No, seriously, the interviewer asks her, in gender trouble, you wrote that quote, contemporary feminist debates over meanings of gender lead time and time again to a certain sense of trouble as if the indeterminacy of gender might eventually culminate in a failure of feminism. How far do ideas you explored in that book 30 years ago help explain how the trans rights debate has moved into mainstream culture and politics? This is the last time I'll quote ad nauseam and then she responds, I want to first question whether trans exclusionary feminists are really the same as mainstream feminists.
Starting point is 00:54:28 If you are right to identify the one with the other than a feminist position of posing transphobia is a marginal position. I think this may be wrong. My wager is that most feminists support trans rights and oppose all forms of transphobia. So I find it worrisome that suddenly the trans exclusionary radical feminist position is understood as commonly accepted or even mainstream. I think it is actually a fringe movement that is seeking to speak in the name of mainstream and that our responsibility is to refuse to let this happen.
Starting point is 00:54:56 And it's like, notice that the interviewer never mentioned terfs or let alone suggested that they were mainstream feminists. And this is a debate that Judith Butler manufactures herself immediately. Yeah, immediately. So she's trying to make this debate happen in order to consolidate her own position within it and install herself as like the spokesperson or the gatekeeper. First of all, the trans debate is not mainstream, will never be mainstream. It's a mostly marginal academic debate.
Starting point is 00:55:33 It's a sliver of a tiny sliver of the population that doesn't require its own dedicated or dominant discourse because it suffices to say that trans people are people who deserve the same rights as all people, right? Of course. And everybody agrees with this. This is non-controversial. Right. But the question then is when you say feminist, what are you referring to?
Starting point is 00:55:57 And that's where Butler kind of does become incoherent for me. Yeah. And I'm not a turf because I'm not a feminist. And I think that, I don't know, well, think about like at the pussy march and stuff like that. Like, I think that there's some, there is like a strand of what you could call Turfism in mainstream feminism, but it's not, it seems to happen very mindlessly rather than out of like transphobia. Yeah, she's correct.
Starting point is 00:56:36 She's correct to say in reference to J.K. Rowling that certain women experience kind of a unfounded anxiety at the thought of trans women infiltrating their spaces. But I don't think this anxiety is deliberate or malicious or intellectualized. I was, in the last talk hole, talk hole does like a column in interview magazine where Eric and Steven like go back and forth and one of them said that British women are turfs because they're so ugly that being genetically female is the only advantage they feel like they have. They have those jolly, horsey faces with the wooden teeth. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:24 Yeah. They sure do. Yeah. I could see that, yeah. British guys can be so hot. Yeah. In like a hot Elizabeth Peyton painting kind of like Liam Gallagher, Kurt Cobain as seen through her eyes.
Starting point is 00:57:39 Happy belated birthday to Liam Gallagher. Oh, wait, really? Yeah. Is he a Virg? He's, yeah, I'm on the cusp, I think. It's so cool. Very cool. I love him.
Starting point is 00:57:48 Yeah, but like, okay, she, you know, both she and J.K. Rowling actually take a willfully reductive stance on this so that they can conceal their own motives. Like, you know, she talks about this penis fantasy that J.K. Rowling has that she fears the penis and the intrusion of the penis until life and it's this weird thing. And it's like, but she's also living in a fantasy world where she refuses to define what feminism is. Potler. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:22 Exactly. Yeah. She says that, you know, anyone, gender is a construct and so anyone can be not only a woman, but a feminist. Yeah. And then men who are feminists, I'm reading it again. Yeah. Anyone can be a feminist if they hold the basic propositions of freedom and equality that are part of any feminist political struggle.
Starting point is 00:58:48 Yeah. Just freedom and equality. That's, yeah, like, kind of like vague, bloated human rights by words that mean nothing unless you contextualize them. Exactly. Can't use the word turf meaningfully unless you defined what feminism it means to you. And like, exactly. I mean, but that's what it is.
Starting point is 00:59:09 And it's like, you know, as I've said, the bathroom discourse is two bathroom discourses. Like I have no problem sharing a bathroom or a bed with trans girls. I know. In fact, I wouldn't even, it would not even cross my mind, you know, but would I have a problem sharing a bathroom or a bed with one of those weirdos on Twitter that hounds and pesters me? Yeah. Cause they freak me the fuck out.
Starting point is 00:59:32 Yeah. There's like different types of, I'm not even making this like blanchard argument here, but like you got to define the terms very strongly. Well, the bathroom debate, you know, because it does kind of, it is dependent on kind of enacting a universal policy, right? Yeah. So that's why it's so, so yeah, like I also wouldn't want to be in a bathroom with Samantha Pritchard.
Starting point is 00:59:57 But yeah, as a policy, you have to kind of be like, okay, we have to have mixed gender bathrooms. So that I don't, by the way, also, I don't care if we have mixed gender bathrooms, especially if they're single occupancy. Who cares? Sure. Every, this is what drives me nuts. Like every fucking museum will have like a single occupancy bathroom that you lock
Starting point is 01:00:25 behind yourself that says gender neutral bathrooms. Like you don't have to specify that because if it has a toilet. Yes. Anybody can like, you know, it's not, it's like an all purpose bathroom. These debates are like literally manufactured to give airtime to people like Judith Butler to spin their wheels. Nobody cares about them. I don't think trans people care about them in real life because again, most trans people
Starting point is 01:00:51 are just trying to live a quiet and dignified life. Sure. And like live as people. Yeah. So I don't buy like this. And she says also, let us be clear that the debate here is not between feminists and trans activists. There are trans affirmative feminists and many trans people are also committed feminists.
Starting point is 01:01:11 So one clear problem is the framing that acts as if the debate is between feminists and trans people. It is not. And it's like, well, yeah, no shit. Like it's the con that's stating the obvious. But again, she does not define what feminist means. The same thing with Marxist. Like she and her partner, Wendy Brown, are fond of describing themselves as Marxists.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Right. But they never define what Marxist means in like that context, you know. And in practice for them. In practice for them. Praxis, if you will, that's a Marxist term. Right. And if, I don't know, if feminism is going to be trans inclusionary, then it would follow that feminism has kind of a conceptual interest in femininity as like a category that people can opt into.
Starting point is 01:02:11 Yes. But then femininity, gender is socially constructed as Judith Butler says, and has no real material reality. So then how do you organize around the material interests of someone, of a group of people on the basis of femininity? Does that make sense? That's where it's like falling apart from me. Yeah, because it's, it's truly like that's illegible and incoherent.
Starting point is 01:02:40 Right. Like it makes no sense until you realize what it's really about. And it's like, you know, she and Wendy Brown will call themselves Marxists, but their interest is to mystify and obfuscate the class dimension, the material dimension. It literally is. And you know, she again calls herself a Marxist and then like praises in that same interview, BLM, she talks about how she has mixed feelings about the Harper's letter because as an educator and writer, she's believes in slow and thoughtful debate.
Starting point is 01:03:14 But on the other hand, she says some of those signatories were taking aim at Black Lives Matter as if the loud and public opposition to racism were itself uncivilized behavior. And it's like, you know, again, BLM is a liberal movement that serves the wealthy and depends on a class of oppressed racialized poor for its continued existence. Like this is also unambiguous and non-controversial, I think. And like, you know, what does it mean again to have Judith Butler call herself a Marxist, but then be pro BLM? And by the way, I find it totally understandable if a random leftist person on Twitter is supportive
Starting point is 01:03:57 of BLM. I get it. Of course, it's designed to kind of garner a universal sympathetic support. Yes. Even, you know, by being by virtue of it being called Black Lives Matter, it's hard to be anti-BLM. Yes, it sounds monstrous. I'm inclined to be supportive of it. But Judith Butler is a seasoned academic with political expertise.
Starting point is 01:04:20 So she's lying. She's lying. She's lying and it's like crazy. Again, it's like, I hate feeling manipulated and coerced and Judith Butler makes me feel that way. Especially by women. Yeah. And like, you know, I don't, I don't know, like. No, I know, it's like you can't, I don't know, I'd like to see her try to, someone actually try to
Starting point is 01:04:48 like engage with her ideas with her, you know, and have her unpack them because she's very good at obfuscating. Yeah, in like the most bland and kind of like, inoffensive way. Because she's not like totally, you know, obscurantist. She makes just the right amount of sense and then she pulls back. Exactly. Like she'll say something, you're like nodding along, you're like, yeah, that's right, yeah. We have seen, when laws and social policies represent women, they make tacit decisions about
Starting point is 01:05:23 who counts as a woman and very often make presuppositions about what a woman is. We have seen this in the domain of reproductive rights. So the question I was asking then is, do we need to have a settled idea of women or of any gender in order to advance feminist goals? Well, don't we sort of? I mean, that's why feminism is a very fraught and I think has a failure of an identity and a movement in a lot of ways because first of all, women don't share class interests. Yeah, they're not a unified bloc.
Starting point is 01:05:59 Or again, I'll repeat myself. Maybe it doesn't need to have a unified idea of what a woman is, but it does seem to be about femininity as such. Yeah. And that has to be fundamentally real in some way and not a social construct for any of its interests to be advanced. Yeah, what are the main tenets of feminism? Well, we want to make sure that women get compensated as much as men do for the same job.
Starting point is 01:06:37 Yes. That concerns both biological and trans women. We want to make sure that women have access to child care and medical care that's specifically for women. This also possibly concerns both biological and trans women. We want to make sure that women have access to reproductive opportunities so that the choice between having an abortion and having a child is not merely kind of illusory or symbolic, as Angela Nagel pointed out, that only as of now concerns biological women.
Starting point is 01:07:14 Right. Like there's all these different intersectional, if you will, but pretty concrete material debates that make up feminism in my mind. But it's become so abstracted by the kind of obfuscation that Butler does when they throw around words like equality and freedom and basically being anti-BLM, being anti-feminist, implies that you're a misogynist basically. Yeah, that you're black-hating, woman-hating monster. But I feel like, again, the kind of stakes of the debate that she's-
Starting point is 01:08:00 So the dictionary definition of Oxford is the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes. Okay. Okay. For me, in that case, maybe count me out because I don't really think that equality is very fraught for me in that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But again, but if you're talking about equality between the sexes,
Starting point is 01:08:33 the sexes are inherently biologically unequal in certain ways. Like if you take the example of reproductive health, women need to be bumped up and subsidized in order to be equal to men if they want to have children. Right. Let's ask Aleya what she thinks. On a scale of one to 10, how much do you hate trans people? Well, feminism, welcome to Red Scare. I'm reading the Wikipedia for feminism.
Starting point is 01:09:03 Feminism incorporates the position that societies prioritize the male point of view and that women are treated unjustly within those societies. Again, I think being a feminist kind of does hinge on there being a patriarchy, no? Yeah, for sure. Because if there is no patriarchy, then there is no- Then what are we unequal, whatever? Where is the kind of the gendered injustice that's happening? Yeah, but I said this on Twitter and I'll stand by it.
Starting point is 01:09:34 The problem that Sam Ho was tweeting about how I like the patriarchy and it's like, I don't like the patriarchy. I don't think it meaningfully exists for the type of women who invoke it most frequently and loudly, which are awful. It doesn't exist for you. You're paid about the same. You have the same opportunities. In fact, there's probably a quota for opportunities.
Starting point is 01:10:00 You're certainly not as endangered or precarious as like working class white men. Certainly not. Exactly. Women don't share interest as a class. Yeah, which is like an insane claim to make. So like to hear Judith Butler make kind of a Marxist feminist claim on behalf of trans women when her whole shtick is denying that certain like class hierarchies exist in favor of like privileging gender disparities.
Starting point is 01:10:44 Yeah, a patriarchy is when you can't go somewhere without your husband or male relative where you can't drive a car or have a bank account. A patriarchy to me is a very kind of material thing that doesn't really exist in the West. Yeah, not in America in 2020 for the vast majority of women, like in a systemic way. I don't buy it. I don't believe it. I also like I don't think that any of these women, like young millennial women, especially have any experience with living under an actual patriarchy. Like, you know, the USSR was a much more patriarchal society,
Starting point is 01:11:32 but it wasn't anywhere near a patriarchy because the sexes were very much equal. It wasn't. Yeah, in that way. Yeah, but you know, the kind of social relations between people on the day to day were much more kind of sexist or misogynistic than... Well, that's, I think, right. There's a kind of, for me, there's a distinction between a patriarchal society and say, like a misogynistic society.
Starting point is 01:12:01 Yeah, yeah. If that makes sense. Yeah, we're men are pricks, but they're equally disempowered or something like that. Or just, you know, I mean, Russia is like a very homophobic culture. Yeah, it is. It's very misogynistic and homophobic still to this day. But that's different from patriarchy. Yeah, from it being kind of like, and I think like also, yeah, these academics, it's in their interest to mix up like political patriarchy and social patriarchy too.
Starting point is 01:12:36 And like, I don't know. Well, yeah, that's why you can obfuscate and talk about something like the male gaze or how many women say words in a movie or something to sort of bolster this idea of injustice that isn't. The Bechtel test. Very real, yeah. Your movie passes the Bechtel test. It does, yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:58 By like, with flying colors. Yeah. I want to make a movie that does not at all pass it whatsoever. I mean, there's a ton. Well, most of the female characters talk, the third rule is they have to talk about not a man. Okay. So they, most of the characters in my movie do talk about Jeffrey Epstein, but they. He's not a romantic interest.
Starting point is 01:13:23 No, they don't have to be. They just have to have a conversation about something that's not a man, which my movie barely kind of passes because most of the conversations are about. I mean, they talk about buying like household products at some point. Exactly, yeah. It's funny that she talks about how she never felt particularly female. And so they, and so she like asks questions about the constraints of traditional gender norms for many who fall outside of its terms.
Starting point is 01:13:55 I never understood that anxiety because Poglia talks about, like Poglia has literally called herself trans, which I can relate to and identify with, like not feeling fully female, but I never understood that anxiety like that, like Judith Butler is describing about how she, you know, doesn't identify fully as female and feels oppressed by the constraints. These norms, these norms. Because nobody's oppressing her. It's almost like she wants her to be some level of oppression to help her define herself against something.
Starting point is 01:14:31 Right. Literally nobody cares what Judith Butler identifies as. No, I'm serious. Nobody's like, you should put on some lipstick to it. Maybe show some cleavage. She teaches at Berkeley. Yeah. Yeah, she's got a total like Berkeley brain.
Starting point is 01:14:45 People in Berkeley is just like a climate of like boomers wildly virtue signaling it. No one. Yeah, yeah. Boomers like banging the wardrobe for battles long past. Exactly. From Bennington Brain to Berkeley Brain. The Judith Butler story. They're obsessed with Howard Zinn and comfortable pants.
Starting point is 01:15:13 Breezy pants and going out to shape and ease some shit. But then never having to be around black people. Yeah. She probably lives, I probably, she probably lives in North Berkeley or like Albany or something. She probably has a totally nice like sequestered lesbian life. Yeah, I know. That's the thing. It's like, no one's in Berkeley is like, hey toots.
Starting point is 01:15:38 Swans should put on a nice gown for twirl. That's always like the fantasy of these like gender norms. Yeah, it's just like very simp. Why isn't she playing with those Barbies? Yeah, but it doesn't like nobody cares in these kind of like liberal elite enclaves, like how you live your life. Nobody notices your gender expression. Nope, certainly nobody persecutes you for it.
Starting point is 01:16:10 Where you do get kind of endangered and persecuted for your gender expression is in those areas that Judith Butler does not care about as a fake Marxist. Right. A farxist. Like a like a farce, but this is like, she's a liar. Yeah, this is also why I hate academia. I mean, this is the real, the real problem. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:45 Is that the whole system is rewards this kind of this rewards this kind of behavior. Yeah, like self deceit. It's not graduate schools of disease. I know, I know. I'm so glad I cured myself. I mean, I just cut that limb off. I barely made it unscathed out of out of mills. Yeah, actually made me more of a misogynist.
Starting point is 01:17:05 I know how I had to hear the chattering of women's voices all the time all day long. Like justifying their own kind of like narcissism is social oppression or whatever. I mean, this was 2012 13. So it wasn't so so bad. So bad. Yeah, I was still a woman's college was still. A woman's college was still a pretty nice place to be. Yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 01:17:31 I mean, college in general, I mean, my undergrad experience is very positive and uplifting actually. I liked going to college. Yeah, it was nice. But you know, in retrospect, and I'm though I'm guess I'm glad because it gives me sort of a reference point for when people make these really convoluted kind of academic anthropological like claims or purport to have some kind of research, you know, I like think back to my my thesis in college was called menstrual dialectic, which literally meant not like there was nothing dialectical that I was doing.
Starting point is 01:18:09 That's academic speak for red scare. No one and my advice. No one was like, this doesn't make sense. You're not doing dialectics. They were like, A plus. Yeah, and I like, yeah, I did it was in sociocultural anthropology. So I got like my sample group of like 10 girls, 10 to 20 girls who I interviewed about their attitudes about menstruation.
Starting point is 01:18:33 And then I tried to synthesize like a thesis about menstrual suppression, like when you take birth control that stops the period. And I did kind of wait, Dasha, but at least you did like real science, real the scientific method. You're way more scientifically accomplished than AOC. Well, it's not. It's not real. My point is it's not.
Starting point is 01:18:56 It's not real science, especially and even more so now that it's gone through like the whole post structural butler, butlerism. Yeah, yeah. Or it's like anything can mean anything. And you can completely warp any of your findings to bolster any worldview that you already have. Yeah, yeah. It's all just it's so lies.
Starting point is 01:19:16 The lies are piling up. I know. I know. When will the lies stop? Look at the avalanche of lies. Menstrel dialect. Thanks. I think like I wrote an undergrad thesis on comparing John Singer Sargent and Valentin
Starting point is 01:19:33 Sarov, who's like a Russian painter of the same ilk, like a portrait painter of the upper crust and nouveau riche like mercantile classes at the turn of the century. And I think my argument there was that silver age painting was superior to like suprematism and constructivism and whatever like the American libtards were on about, which I stand by. Yeah, that sounds. I was always doing battle with libtards, though I didn't know it at the time. Were you, did you go to grad school for art history because you were already a disciple
Starting point is 01:20:05 of Polia? No, I went. I don't know why I went. I think because I'm too dumb for economics, which is pretty glaring indictment for myself. I didn't want to do math. Of course. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:21 Yeah. And art history definitely is a very reasonable thing to go to school for. And at least it's interesting. At least you're like. I wanted to do, yeah, I'm, you know, I was interested in like psychology, sociology, and that was like the way to grasp at it without going into complet, which I think is a. Which is exactly where those kinds of.
Starting point is 01:20:38 Fake and bogus field. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, most of like the humanities have been complitified. That's true. Yeah. They become like. Maybe interdisciplinary.
Starting point is 01:20:49 Cultural theory and like post-structuralism have become the, you know, and I don't, I'm not one of those like Frankfurt school people, but I think that it has, it's gone a little too far. Enough is enough. I agree. It's time to build those walls. You know, I'm serious, like take all the open floor plan apartments, build some nice bourgeois, discreet and closed rooms,
Starting point is 01:21:14 take all the interdisciplinary academic departments, put up some walls and start turning out real specialists. And then they can convene, you know, several years later, but all this interdisciplinary stuff is just like, you know, like blotes and confuses the terms by which we live. Exactly. Art history is also an honorable area of study for women. Yes.
Starting point is 01:21:40 Aesthetic. Yeah. You're like an intellectual prostitute with who's waiting to get married. People love to have an art history major around and eventually put a ring on one. Yeah. Oh, what's your expertise in? Yeah. Is there anything else?
Starting point is 01:22:01 I don't know. We've done like an hour 20. Oh, yeah, that's, that's not, oh, it's, it's our 199th episode. Mazel Tov, yeah. I think we've done a good job. So we have something very special planned for a very special. It's not going to be the same episode. It's not a guest.
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Starting point is 01:22:44 I need more money. So subscribe to our Patreon because I have some purchases. I'd like to make that. What kind of purchases are you making? I want to get these Isabel Marant heels that are very like, frivolous and, you know, I'll probably wear them. Like once, twice. I don't even know where I would, you know.
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