Red Scare - Berkeley Brain
Episode Date: September 24, 2020The ladies discuss the new race filter app Gradient, the Union Square climate change countdown clock, Alyssa Milano calling the cops on a teen, and Judith Butler's latest interview in The New Statesma...n.
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we're back. My jewel is dangerously low. It's gonna run it at any moment I can
tell. No, like the juice is almost gone in the in the pod. How long does one of
those things last? This one's lasted me a while, but I don't jewel like around the
clock. Yeah, I'll like lose it periodically and then find it and be
like, Oh my god, my jewel. But it's definitely not gonna last the length
of the pod. That's fine. How are you? Maybe well, maybe it's like Hanukkah. There was
only enough jewel pod juice to last for 15 minutes, but it lasted for a while. Do
you have other jewel pods? No, I have to go get some. It's okay. It's not a disaster.
It's not a disaster. Take your ass on overhealed smoke show. Did you hear they're
gonna change the the metronome and union skirt account down until I run out of
jewel? I haven't smoked a cig, by the way, in a few weeks. Really? No, that's not
true. I mean, not outside of a social context. I was ripping six on the period
latest birthday, but I mean, but outside of like some kind of social setting, I
haven't. I mean, do you usually smoke non socially when you're like missing
around and hunger fugue downtown? Yeah, I like like to walk around and smoke
cigs or step out for a cig. I like to walk and smoke out my window. I don't get
people who are like, let's pause and like stand or like sit down and have a
cigarette. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like the whole fun is walking
around feeling European. Yeah, smoking a cigarette or like being having social
anxiety and needing to do something outside. Like a fidgety with your hand.
Yeah, go have a cigarette. We'd have a private conversation on minimizing your
cigarette intake. Whatever. I don't think I've had a cigarette in several months
now. That's amazing. Yeah. Look at me. I don't really feel markedly better or
anything. Yeah, I don't, I don't feel better from any of my positive habits,
like not drinking, not smoking. Like my skin definitely looks better. I look a
little healthier and rosier. And most importantly, I don't crave these toxic
substances, but do I feel less tired or more energized or well better than
myself? Take a toll. Yeah, I'm really starting to yeah, I've cut back on
drinking quite a bit as well because I just will lose whole days to yes, like
laying around and like crying. Exactly. Having a pounding headache. But now
that I'm on that girl lost grind, I can't, I can't afford it.
But yeah, health is a health is a sham, of course. Yeah, I think so too. And I
look forward to picking up smoking again someday soon. I know, I think it's
also like, you know, you lies always like, well, you know, if you want to look
better and healthier, you have to quit smoking, blah, blah, blah. And I think
it does help you look better. It does minimally. I think it's all genetics.
Like if you're prone to having kind of shitty, saggy skin to begin with, which
I am genetically, like it runs in the family, then you're doomed. But I was
watching the color of money yesterday with a Tom Cruise and Paul Newman. Paul
Newman died of lung cancer because he was a raging like multiple pack a day
smoker and he was probably in his sixties in that film and his skin was
taught as hell. No wrinkles, nothing. It's just like he was genetically
blessed. Yeah. I see people with great skin ripping sigs all the time and
they're going to continue to have great skin. You're probably right. The
drinking though. Yeah. I think you look like probably five to 10% worse when
you drink and smoke, obviously. Ten I. But the effect is minimal is what I'm
saying. I get quite puffy. I think maybe, but it's not, you know, it's not
noticeable to anybody else. I know, just to me. But if you're someone like
Wellbeck and you're just genetically screwed, then like, well, like if you
tried quitting smoking, like now, I really like the Wellbeck race filter.
Oh, that was a really, that was a good one. That's what I am mostly did
yesterday was put people to put all my friends and various politicians and
celebs through the gradient app race filter because face app used to have
the have a race filter and then they took it away. Yeah. Um, so now there's a
new one there. I'm not even getting paid to plug this, but the app is called
gradient. If you want to see what you look like. So please stop DMing me
about it. I think I look beautiful as all the races. Yeah, you look like
Azalea Banks. I look great black. I mean, I think like I've never really had the
thought to entertain myself as a black person, but it really breaks my heart
that I wasn't born black at this moment in time. That's how I feel when I
listen to Keith sweat, like the Brazilian race filter. I love how they
said Brazilian too. By the way, originally I heard it was African and
they had who do you think made the app Russia or China? I mean, one of those
godless Asian nations. Yeah, Brazil. Okay. Brazil, Asia, David Miranda filter.
Yeah. Um, but it's I feel like the right race filter could really repair race
relations in this country. It's so much fun. I think we all can put aside our
differences to be like, that's funny. Yeah, it's you look really funny. Wow.
Everyone looks hot Indian. The Indian race filter did not look convincing. It
was the weakest one, but it was like getting like a Sephora makeover. It
was just like you with eye shadow. It made me think about getting tan and
trying some different eyeliner techniques. Yeah. And like you, you know, now
you know, if you reproduce with like a daisy guy, I've wanted, I've said before
I've wanted to have a mixed race baby with a desi guy specifically. And that
when I go out to eat with my friend fish, I often feel when we used to go out
to eat, I'd be like, I wonder if people think we're like a cool and racial
couple. Yeah, you could say I'm pretty forgot. My boyfriend, yeah, he's a
different race. They're like, wow, look at that girl. She's so open minded. How
does somebody have such great highlights and also be so open minded at the same
time? Take that tank. Who's the Nazbol now? I hate that I've had to learn what
Nazbol and stressor is. I still don't know what those I refuse to learn. It's
just so embarrassing. I mean, like I've said this before, and I'll say it
again, if you're going to roast us or come up with a slur against us by all
means, I love it. I enjoy it. But come up with like a cool, legible, pithy one
that everyone can understand. I know a lot of critiques lobbied against us are
pretty incoherent. Yeah, I'll take Cokehead or whatever. Pick me over. I like
when people make the critique that we somehow purport to be authorities on
leftist theory or praxis. I haven't even read Marx. I've never cracked open.
I read the short one. Which one is that? The Communist Manifest of the 90-page
one. I read that on a plane. That's what Jordan Peterson read too. I read it in
college. I skimmed it for sure. Yeah, and then he was like, how can you form an
entire orthodoxy around a 90-page one? I read Marx in college, but like
fragments kind of, but you know, we're selected to indoctrinate me in liberal
arts education. Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably super useful to read Marx,
but that ship has sailed for me. It's like getting a tattoo or trying a new
drug again, I'm way too old. I think it would be really cringe and corny if I
picked up Marx and suddenly became an authority on Marxism for real. You've got
Lash, you've got Polya. Yeah, we've got like second hand Marx. I'm into Young. I've
gotten really into Carl Young over quarantine, so that's, I'm thinking a
little more archetypal these days. Yeah. That's been good. We're fine. The point is
we don't need to change. Yeah, and we would never bill ourselves as
authorities and left us. Barely left us.
RBG died. Oh, yeah. Oops. Well, yeah, I mean, but this is the thing. I feel
really guilty. I have no takes or no opinions about her death. I think like
she was 87. What do you think about her legacy as a judge? I have no idea. Kind of
disappointing 87. It's a little too young for an old skinny Jewish person. You
thought I was holding out for 97. I just don't understand why they couldn't just
pretend that she was still alive. Yeah, I don't think the Supreme Court's like
even in session or whatever they call it's not they're not she wasn't like who
just turned the camera off on the zoom meeting. Yeah, we could the Dems if they
really, you know, they could have kept it afloat through the end of the until
the election, at least they could have just kept the facade up. They're doing
it with Joe Biden already. So I don't see why he's been dead for for months, not
years. Why not? Yeah, I but I think I told you I feel personally really guilty
because this is like the third or fourth time this happened. But I recorded a
podcast the night before RBG died with Dan and my sister and literally said on
the podcast, when is RBG gonna die? Like why doesn't she just die? She's just
holding on out of spite now. And I was like complaining about her and kids. You
have done this before. I think with like Bourdain and somebody else. But like she
literally died the next day. So like I'm guilty as charged. You said you're
Armenian voodoo. I'm the reason that like Armenian gypsy curse. Yeah, like liberals
and leftists are being extra annoying on Twitter. Mad annoying. I like that's my
one thing with her dying. I was dreading that moment because I knew it would
bring out the worst in both liberals and leftists. I know I was like, Oh, like the
liberals are doing that like, they're hyperventilating doing that histrionic
thing. It's now it's really over sobbing. And it's like first of all, bitch, like,
and then no one will ever take away abortion from you personally. The people
that it's gonna hit are gonna be like who are already being impacted by it.
Basically, you are now think things are bad for. Yeah. Abortion will always be
legal in New York, like over Cuomo's dead body, whatever. Like I'm pro-life. So I
don't have a dog in this. Yeah. I'm very casually pro-life. Yeah. It's like my
personal I'm a pullout method. Truth are me too. And casual pro-life. That's great.
I love that. Yeah. First of all, no abortion is so overrun by corporate
interests. They're not going to stand for an outlawing. Sure. Like, come on now. I
also resent how both sides like the progressives and the conservatives use
it as like a pawn to inflame their bases. Exactly. It's really gross. I don't
understand why a routine medical procedure, which by the way, I'm ethically
horrified by is not is so talk about and it's such a flashpoint. Well, only in
America. Exactly. Because a lot of people find it to be ethically abhorrent and
consider it to be murder. Well, yeah. The kind of the conservatives and the
evangelicals do but and then the liberals and the leftists refuse to. Well,
it's very reactionary. Yeah. The ethical component as Poglia says, but like it's
very reactionary and that they then have to like double down on how abortions
like completely morally sound and uncomplicated and rad or whatever. Well,
that's and then the of course it's like the abortion is rad leftists being like,
yeah, fuck RBG. She deserves to die. Yeah. It's rad. It's good folks, whatever, which
is equally gross and distasteful. Yeah. I mean, there was so much like cringe
emanating from social media the week she the weekend she died. No, no respect for
the same city of life whatsoever. Yeah, it'd be so cool if like leftists could say
like, yeah, like abortion is really ethically problematic. When something
has a heartbeat and is like moving its little opposable thumbs around, you are
taking a life. You cannot, I mean, you cannot be so offended about casual
police violence and then be totally flippant about abortion. I agree. Those
are lives. And I mean, if you are going to, you could use a pro life agenda to
advance like a, you could advance a leftist agenda. I mean, you know, in that
if you were really pro life, you would understand that most people have
abortions out of economic necessity. Just desperation. Yeah. Being cornered. You
would first want to alleviate, you know, all of the economic structural
pressures that cause women to have abortions, the disproportionate number
of which are poor. Yeah. And then get into like the ethical question of the
procedure itself, you know? Yeah, totally. It's like the only women who don't
have abortions out of economic necessity are spoiled, selfish, awful, who use it
as a form of like intermittent birth control. And though, yeah, and then
those are the same abortion is rat people who are like, I do it again. Yeah. I
actually, I liked it actually. It's like kind of a pleasant sensation.
Anyway, so Trump says he's going to pass. He's going to appoint a new
Supreme Court Justice Friday or Saturday. Congratulations, Dasha. Thank
you. It's like both of us. We should just, you know, share duties. Like when
one of us is recovering from Botox or extremely hungover than the other one.
Botox is a very short recovery time. Accidentally like sign into law, the
legal annihilation. I forgot to read the dossier.
But Trump is saying that it will be a woman. Yeah. So it's going to be
somebody really evil. What if he flips the script and I mean, they'll never
let him. Yeah, they'll never let him have a have a win. It's Kim Kardashian. She
seems like she's into morality and jurisprudence. Yeah, actually, not a
not a bad idea. Yeah. And like every kind of like Middle Eastern woman with
like disproportionate curves, she would look good in that, you know, black robe
that kind of looks like a burka. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a no brainer.
Interesting. Yeah. If you're listening, Mr. President, you have our
nomination. And then, yeah, and then there's another wave of like people being
like, if he even thinks about appointing someone, we're going to burn it all
down. Yeah, it's like, you're not going to do anything. Yeah, it's like, what's
his name? God, what's that got? Are we going to take matters into our own hands?
And it'll be real class war now, baby. We're going to march on the lawn of the
White House and just stand there. We might start another Chaz. It's like
Reza Aslan and like various other like public intellectuals who write
self-help books or books about popular religion, like threatening to burn it
all down. Yeah. It's like, dude, you like call the cops every time a black guy
passes by your house. It's like a mailman. Speaking of which, to hear Alyssa
Milano called the cops. Oh yeah, right. I'm like a kid in her neighborhood
shooting a BB gun. Karen. Classic. Karen Milano. Did you see the video she made
a while ago of her like crying over her hair thinning after having COVID? No.
It's like, people don't tell you that this can happen to you. And it's like a
video of her combing her hair out of the shower, root to tip, just running a
comb through her hair. And of course, like is pulling it out. Yeah. And then
like performatively crying. But you can't comb wet hair aggressively. It
will break. Yeah. She's blaming her breakage and menopausal balding on
COVID.
Reminds you of why I hate women. She's a sigh up for the misogyny lobby. And
it's working. She's doing a great job. She called the cops allegedly or her
husband did on a teen who was using an air gun to hunt squirrels.
Where does she live? Like somewhere somewhere in like California.
Calabasas or something. Yeah. And she she claimed that like an armed gunman was
on her property because she's traditionally had problems with
stalkers. Oh, of course. Classic BPD.
Oh my God, stop stalking me. Are you stalking me?
But this would be another. No, don't stalk me. Oh, I can't believe you would
show up at my address, which is 325 West Calab. I mean, wait, are you
obsessed with me or something? That's scary. She originally claimed like that
the the to the police that the suspect was the man in his forties and then the
teen turned himself in because he like kind of heard all the commotion and was
like anxious. Oh, like admitted to like shooting an air gun to hunt.
Working around. But like, this would just be a classic case. Another case of
like awfuls behaving awfully. What are you? What does awful mean?
Affluent white liberal, female liberal. Got it. Got it. Yeah. It's a great
acronym. It's one of the few that I like. But she's also a dedicated
defund the police activist. Of course. She's an abolitionist.
I mean, you know, she's one of the important, most important BLM voices.
Yeah, she should dole us all it up. It's not too late.
It's definitely to run that pick through the gradient filter.
You might come out looking like Kelly Rowland.
It seems like she's going to have to have a weave after she rips all her hair
out to make a Twitter video. So. Oh, yeah, she should get into weaves and get
some Indian hair wig on. Psycho hairs.
So she when I hit menopause, I'm going to go full wig. Really? I'm going to start
wearing wigs. Just really let my freak flag fly. Yeah, why not? You can get
like a Hasidic wig. Just like a really stiff blonde. Chestnut brown.
I'm going to go I'm going to go blonde because I think like all, you know,
all Armenian, Iranian, Lebanese, whatever ladies go blonde after like 45, 50.
It looks nice against their olive skin. Yeah, it'll look better. It looks bad
now, but it'll look better. My mom went platinum blonde. She looks like Andy
Warhol. She did it herself. She's blonde now. She's like platinum blonde.
Wow. White. It's initially it's a little like, uh, seriously, she looks
like. Well, it's hard to see your mom look different. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah.
But she literally looks like Warhol or like a Saundra. Free as Saundra.
I'm on guard this look. Um, but she, she claimed I have her Twitter response
here. God damn it.
Shout out to Alyssa Milano, not my mom.
Oh, because your mom has a really, is a really prolific Twitter user as well.
Food chain, globe analyst. You can follow her. Um, she's way more racist than I am.
And probably cancel your mom.
No, actually, I really appreciate my, I don't know if you have a similar
experience, but I really appreciate my parents because growing up, they were
like, not racist at all, which is remarkable for Russian people.
And now, now she's pivoting.
Yeah, my parents are, they're not, they're definitely not racist.
Yeah. They have kind of normal old world.
I mean, there's like a racial anxiety.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. And make like kind of crude jokes, but they
weren't like vitriolically against other races, which is cool.
Cause I definitely met Russian parents who wouldn't want me to date a black guy,
but no, my parents wouldn't either.
That's, is that racist? Maybe.
No, I don't know. I feel like the domain of sexuality is
ungovernable by a human made laws.
I never, listen, I never entertained the thought of like seriously dating a black
guy, but I might have to bump off old Eli because that Brazil filter.
Have you put Eli through that? I need to put Eli through.
Oh yeah. We should do you like, I see all the, all the options.
I don't care, mom. I love my Desi boyfriend, mom, I'm open minded.
I had a Pakistani boyfriend all throughout high school, like my high
school sweetheart and my, and my grandparents called me once from Moscow.
Was he, was he hot?
Yeah. He was like Pakistani James Dean.
He was like ripped and had, um, used to roll his sleeves up on his T-shirt.
Like boost cars.
It's really hot.
Um, and then, but, but, um, uh, he kind of looked like, um, Patrick Sandberg,
Daisy filter. Not bad. But, um, he, my grandparents called and they were like,
uh, how's your Palestinian boyfriend doing? We're like mixed up the two,
which was really cute, but they were nice about it.
Yeah. They didn't do the whole like no daughter of mine is dating a black lab
thing.
My grandma did get a little shook when, um, my parents told her that Adam's family
was from South Africa.
Oh, she was African. No, no, he's Jewish and she's even worse.
Yeah.
Uh, being a Jew from South Africa, what a, what a tragedy.
You don't even get to take advantage of being a racial minority.
Um, or, oh, what, so what did Alyssa Milano say? Um, sorry, it was like spinning
my racism wheels. Um, she said, apparently right wing media and trolls have decided
that they should target me because my neighbor called the police after seeing
a person dressed in black, holding a rifle behind my home where I live with my
young children and husband. Here is my statement and what really happened.
And then she like,
In glies, lies, what are you lying about today? Alyssa Milano, it's all lies.
Uh, she talks about, they were like watching a Giants game and our neighbor
spotted a man dressed in all black walking in the woods between our properties
of the gun, blah, blah, blah.
Um, her husband called the cops.
Um, the cops came over as they sheltered in place.
I would like to thank the brave men and women of Ventura County sheriffs as well
as the other officers who came to protect and serve our neighborhood.
These are exactly the type of situations I thought you wanted to abolish.
Well, here, she clarifies it and rationalizes it.
Um, these are exactly the type of situations that police officers are trained
for and should be responding to.
And we will always support the police having the resources they need for
appropriate policing actions.
How convenient.
It's always like to find the police for the and not for me.
Of course.
Like she wants to have her finger on that button.
So they can shoot a teenager in her backyard.
Yeah.
Like shoot someone's dog.
The Fat X guy, I mean dressed in black, very dark.
I mean, his clothes were dark.
He scared me.
He scared my young children.
And then like, um, her neighbor said she can tweet those things because at
the end of the day, she lives behind the gates in a gated community.
She knows the police will come to save her.
But what about all those people who don't have that luxury and live
in an unsafe neighborhood?
She obviously doesn't care.
She uses her platform in a hypocritical ways.
Why not send your husband into the yard to find out what's actually going on
before you call the police?
I would guesstimate the response today from law enforcement cost taxpayers
thousands of dollars.
Her neighbor really hates it.
Neighborhood watch.
Yeah.
Damn.
Oh, God.
Well, they're probably up in the hills, so they're not like close neighbors.
Yeah, but.
But yeah.
What's been to her county?
You know, better than I, it's like the valley, I think.
Okay.
So yeah, it's like probably some, I don't know, nice as part of.
Yeah.
Alyssa Milano, my God, she's like the archetypal cluster B woman,
which is the archetypal woman in that shell.
I'm not a misogynist.
I just hate that type of woman, which happens to be the typical type of woman.
Hey, I know.
I, I don't know.
I might be a misogynist.
I'm working on it in there.
I talk about it with my therapist.
You really?
Like, yeah, my misogynistic.
Impessiveness.
Me too.
And then I feel really bad about it.
I mean, but yeah, some women that unfortunately are most types.
I'm actually, I want more for women.
Me too.
I'm furious that they're so committed to being huge losers.
I know.
And like lying to themselves and others.
But I hear that, that, that voice and just nope.
I think we can lie to ourselves a little as a treat within reason,
like within moderation.
That's, it's a feature, not a bug.
Any human should have.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But like on such a mass scale, like on Twitter, I learned a good turn of phrase
the other day in light and exceptionalism.
I don't remember where I read it, but it was in reference to like the context
as they were talking about Geotalantino's writing and how by being
self-aware of her own complicity, she absolves herself of like critique.
Because that's not Lauren Oiler.
I don't think it was.
It was some other female critic in reference to that.
But like, I find this position to be very like morally ugly and indecent.
And I find it to be the kind of chief central position of virtually any kind
of like media or academia girl, you know, and like, I don't mean to like,
I'm not trying to like judge anybody individually or whatever because I get
it and people are doing the best they can, you know, yeah.
But like, you know, all the stuff, the confessional mode, the whole emphasis
and telling your story, it's all designed to allow women to do what they do best,
which is humble brag in the guise of victimhood.
No, I'm serious.
Yeah.
That's all it is. It's like every one of these kind of like books, articles,
artwork, social media posts comes down to look at me.
I'm so pretty.
Look at me.
I'm so smart.
Look at me.
I'm so thin.
Look at me.
I'm so sexually desirable.
Like at the end of the day, it's like, you don't have to tell us.
We can make our own judgments.
Yeah.
And like, I think like if we can,
Unfortunate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And if we can get past that, that's already a major step forward for feminism.
If we can acknowledge that about ourselves, which by the way, all of us are guilty as charged.
Of course.
I haven't written a personal essay, but I would.
Well, yeah, I mean, sure.
I would too, I guess, if it was like the right one.
I don't know.
That's a good question, whether I would or not.
But like, yeah, it's, I don't.
I don't find us, if I had a story to tell.
But, but yeah, I don't, I mean, I don't mind like,
like I was reading Chris Krause recently again, and I was reading,
what's her face?
Jordan Wolfson's aunt.
I don't know.
Who's his aunt?
She's a psychologist.
She's, she's like married to a shrink and she's a writer.
Okay.
She wrote Fear of Flying.
And like, they are very kind of both narcissistically confessional,
but I like, I mean, it's interesting and fun and funny.
It has.
I think you can do it in a, in a fun and funny way.
Yeah.
And you can, I mean, I, I read Mary Gates' skills essay collection recently.
Yeah, she's good.
And there's some personal essays in there and they're great because there she's
able to very, what most personal essays fail to do is like extrapolate on your personal
circumstances onto something kind of more broader, universal.
And she's very skilled at kind of like, she, she has a great essay actually on like date
rape.
That's sort of a response to, it's probably written around the time that like Pallia's
date rape essay was popular.
And she kind of tells her own story of being, of being kind of like date-raped while on acid.
Yeah.
Um, and then sort of breaks it down into really, she touches on like a core kind of emotional
truth of it.
Yeah.
That's not that it doesn't like victimize her.
Yeah.
But it gives it a more resonant.
It's hard.
You have to be a really good writer, I think.
So.
Yeah.
And you have to be very conscious of your motives outside of your like faculty with
prose and style.
Totally.
And I think there's a lot of motives or major.
Yeah, there's a lot of writers who are like stylish, but delusional.
So it's only like half the battle.
But yeah, no, you have, I think the point is to kind of universalize the particular rather
than personal or particularize the universal and like make it about you.
I think it was like a John Updike quote from way back when I forgot who he was talking about.
Another great misogynist.
But I think I feel like a lot of women secretly see this about themselves.
And hate themselves and other women on some level and discuss it with their shrinks.
But it's not anything that's ever discussed like above the surface or on the surface.
Well, you get called a pick me if you want up to your misogynistic feelings.
Yeah.
But by the way, listen, I don't express certain, you know, quasi misogynistic
opinions or feelings for the benefit of men who I think are also not worthy of respect
for the most part, but for the benefit of other women.
Yeah, I exactly.
I want, I want more.
Yeah.
More for chicks.
Me too.
Like we don't have to pander to men.
No, there's no point.
They're not worth our while.
Like the vast majority of them are like howards and shit rats and like soy boys.
I mean, spot the lie.
Yeah.
And like, they'll probably pick you anyway.
So it's, yeah, I know.
It's fine.
You don't have to.
I know they'll, they'll literally pick you if you're like, you have a hole.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You could have, you could be like morbidly obese and like have thinning hair and no teeth
and they'll still pick you if you have a warm orifice.
Jesus Christ.
I'm sorry.
Damn.
But I think people like fine if you're like,
like a writer, an artist fine, but I reserve my greatest disrespect for women like Alyssa
Milano and Rose McGowan who try to make it into a political thing.
Yeah.
And who pre, especially who previously traded on their sexuality.
So successfully, you know, I'm like the pussy stuff market.
Pussy is it an all time low like bad news folks.
Pussy stock.
My sister like angrily sent me some story about how it was also from the Daily Mail.
Oh, by the way, all these stories are from the Daily Mail.
Yeah, that's where we get our news.
Twitter, the Daily Mail.
No, I feel personally ashamed when I read Gothamist because it feels so provincial and
like low, but we'll be talking about a Gothamist article today.
What was, who published the Butler interview?
New Statesman.
Yeah, that's, I don't know what any of these websites are and I have a really hard time
mixing up which ones are like bad or I'm not supposed to be reading.
I'm always like, is this a reputable source?
Why not?
I'm reading like bright part.
I'm like, I don't remember.
This is bright part still exists.
They must.
Yeah.
I'm gonna look this up.
I'm curious.
Bright part, bright part.
Um, what were we talking about?
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, this article that my sister sent me where Rose McGowan was talking about how
she felt coerced and manipulated into wearing that see-through sequin dress she wore on the
red carpet.
No, don't take that away from us.
And it's like, but you looked so hot and sexy and you knew it and you wanted it.
Like you weren't coerced.
She was like, oh, the patriarchy made me show my because Marilyn Manson.
Yeah.
It was like, no, you were like 25 and really hot and like wanted to show it off and like
flaunt it.
It's okay.
We get it.
Like you're literally like, you looked great.
Don't an actress and some famous guy's girlfriend.
Like that's like wouldn't situation.
Yeah.
No, that's don't don't take the see-through dress away from us.
Rose McGowan.
I know.
I know.
It was like an iconic ASC of bright part is they're still they're still doing their thing.
Yeah, they're still up and running.
What's so what's on bright part?
Breakout gear.
Protests break out gear unloaded from you haul after no murder charges in Breonna Taylor
case.
One officer indicted for wanton endangerment.
I guess they're talking about the Breonna thing.
These actors are now blacklisted from Hollywood.
Okay, boring.
Something blah blah.
It seems very boring.
Actually, I was expecting some some some more salacious.
Yeah.
Oh, here's a good one.
Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi want to import socialism putting America on a path to Medicare for all
tell President Trump to stop them now.
That'd be nice.
Is that true?
That's cool.
Finally, some good news.
Yeah.
I wish I wish Joe Biden Nancy Pelosi were putting us on a path toward socialism and Medicare for all.
I love that this is like the way that the left and the right view each other is so like caricatured
and retarded.
You can't even like use.
Yeah, I don't even think it's confused.
I think it's like deliberate like there's no way like someone like Steve Bannon thinks that Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi are socialists.
I think it's just it's all media is just pandering to like confirmation bias at this point.
Yeah.
You know, they're just telling you what you want to hear.
I've never felt less excited about politics, which is a great feeling.
I'm looking the debates on Tuesday, I think.
Oh, yeah, we should watch it.
We should watch it in Trump one.
Oh, yeah, we should talk about the push to get everyone to register to vote.
Oh, yeah.
The deadline was I thought the deadline was like a while ago.
Yeah, I thought I already I thought the boat sailed unregistering to vote because we're making such a big deal about it like a couple months ago.
Yeah.
So how am I why should I think that this is the real deadline?
They're like, you can register to vote at clandestino or dimes.
Yeah, I am a proud non-voter.
It's simply none of my business.
I know.
It's none of my business.
What happens to this country?
I'm upper middle class now, bitch.
I'm minding my own business.
Oh, God.
I have abortion on demand.
Yeah, I don't know, I don't I don't see the utility of voting in a situation where both candidates are equally shitty.
No, and I resent being, you know, told that I have some kind of moral imperative to vote for Joe Biden.
Yeah, because you don't really doesn't make in dear voting to me at all.
No matter how many boots Carly Kloss puts on, they vote down the side.
Oh, yeah, she had that these boots.
Boots are made for voting.
Lots of heinous voting, voting fashion.
She's the one who's married to the other Kushner that nobody talks about.
Yes, exactly.
Right.
She's like the other Ivanka.
So she's like in bed with the Trump family.
Literally, yeah.
Yeah.
So get out there and vote.
It's crazy to me also that Carly Kloss probably sees herself as like morally superior to Ivanka Trump
and they're literally the same woman.
They have the same dimensions.
I mean, Ivanka has bigger tits because they're fake, but other than that.
And Carly Kloss is a real model of where it's Ivanka.
That was a fleeting team model.
I love Ivanka's model.
I know, I love her face.
She was so beautiful, very Slavic.
Yeah, I love her and Paris Hilton in their like 17 year old modeling days.
Those are like, those images are so like, they're like glittering images.
Totally, truly.
Yeah.
Carly Kloss has never produced a glittering image in her life,
in spite of being like the most highly compensated supermodel of all time, I think.
I mean, seeing her in those black boots really triggered some
epigenetic Nazi trauma for me, honestly, I thought of Come and See when that like
Nazi woman's eating the lobster while they're like burning down the Belarusian village.
That's what Carly Kloss looks like to me in her Nazi voting boots.
I hate, I just picture those boots like crushing my neck.
I know, you're frail Slavic.
Get out there and vote.
It's also like, you know, I go on Instagram and there's like that banner now at the top.
That's like above some like influencers flat abs.
That's like, did you register to vote?
And it's like literally the one thing that I hate the most in this in this world,
which is why I hate women, is feeling emotionally manipulated and coerced.
I am with you.
I don't like being lied to.
I don't like being manipulated.
Yeah, I don't like what's that thing you said like in 2018 about like how it's just like
a feeling of like insane powerlessness and demoralization when you don't inhabit the
same plane as somebody else.
Yeah, the same plane of reality.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And it's like very alienating.
Yeah.
And I hate feeling like there's like a concerted PR campaign
to make you feel like a morally shitty person
for not doing something that is a waste of your time and contradicts your interests.
Yeah.
By the way, I see like the whole, I understand that like this is not merely a presidential vote
and that you can vote for like local officials.
And that is also meaningful, but that's my guess.
That's not what we're here to talk about.
Yeah, so maybe I could be swayed on that basis,
but it's also like who are the local officials like DSA endorsed socialists
that are like the future foot soldiers of the DNC?
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
Like it doesn't matter here specifically.
I think elsewhere.
I wanted Cynthia Nixon to beat Cuomo.
Yeah, it was a cute little moment.
I forgot about that.
Yeah, I ran into her at the Pickle shop downtown in Lower East science.
So I remember it vividly.
But you know, I would vote if I felt like I really wanted someone to win, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah, but there's like nobody that's like captivating or...
Isn't that their job to motivate you to vote for them if they, you know?
I know, it's like crazy because the Democrats entire electoral campaign has been just like
motivating people to not vote for the other guy.
They can't even mount a convincing, compelling case for their guy.
Yeah.
Because there isn't any, and also it's illegal to vote for dead people.
That's why I'm just saying.
And that's why I resent it, because it's like, don't you, there's a fascist at the wire.
That doesn't absolve the Democrats from not representing my interest in just generally
being horrible at politics.
Yeah.
They deserve to lose.
They probably won't.
Yeah, I don't even, I guess I'm vaguely interested in the outcome of the election.
But yeah, like Trump is also like too much of a pog to be a fascist.
Seriously.
He's a big fat ass.
Like, yeah, he's definitely not a body fascist.
Yeah.
I saw somebody tweeting about how like he's, you know, don't, don't be confused by his
foe working class cadence.
He's actually an elite and I was like, well, yeah, no shit, but they like furnished some
pictures of his like gilded house.
It's like, I'm sorry, but that's how most working class people would furnish their home
if they had the means they wouldn't do.
Like elite taste is like that kind of like warm Danish
Undesign minimal.
That looks like a fucking Airbnb.
Exactly.
Those are the people you shouldn't trust.
Real elites are also, did you see the leaked pictures from Epstein's little St. James?
No.
They like released a new set of weird like photos that look like they were taken on
like a disposable camera and the decor is truly depraved.
It's like, it's not.
It's weird.
It's really, really weird.
It's vague, kind of like, I think the Daily Mail probably has a good article about it.
The only right, if it's not the Daily Mail, how can I know if it's reputable or not?
Yeah, the last remaining reputable news outlet.
Strange photos, see how sinister Jeffrey Epstein's blah, blah, blah.
I saw some, somebody had turned him into a avatar thing.
Oh, that's interesting.
That's another, I'm going to put him through the gradient race up when we're done here.
Oh yeah, true, smart.
Wait, where are the pictures?
I'm like trying to find the pictures.
He has like a lot of like weird.
They're kind of, yeah, it took me a while.
Incoherent decor, like it's like a glass table.
Table with like a 90s porn couch.
It looks very mismatched and kind of stuck.
I bet you Gillen decorated it conforming with her odd ball.
Yeah.
Psychedelic, all-putting sense of fashion.
Coco Pelle, Southwestern.
I get why they were in New Mexico because they like that kind of ayahuasca style.
What are we talking about?
I don't know.
Oh, Judith Butler?
Sure, we can talk about Judith Butler.
I want to see the flight logs whether Judith Butler or not.
They're going to release them soon, like a full, a full flight log list.
Oh, I thought they were already released.
Why did I think that?
And they should appoint Dershowitz to the Supreme Court as the last fuck you to the nation.
There you go.
That's then we'll really burn, then we'll really take matters into our own hands.
Then it's the guillotine for you, Mr. Trump.
Mr. Dershowitz, clean your teeth.
He has the most disgusting teeth.
Dershowitz is such a monster.
His teeth look like they would like come off if you touch, like they seem chalky.
Crumble.
I think a nightmare.
Judith Butler-famed academia lesbian.
Yeah, a new interview with her.
Oh, we forgot to talk about the metronome.
Sorry, I smacked in a really gross Zizekian way.
That's the hardest part about doing a Zizek impression is getting all the snorting and
lisping down.
Like through a whip smacking.
I won't even try.
The climate change metronome, we don't have to talk about it.
I agree with your tweets, like boring.
It used to be that the national debt was what those numbers were, which is way cooler.
Biffo Berardi actually writes about it in his book, The Uprising on Poetry and Finance, how
as the debt becomes more astronomical, it changes our conceptual understanding of what
it means and then that trickle down and influences language and blah, blah, blah.
But yeah, now it's like countdown clock.
So that's just going to be, it's going to be so anticlimactic too, and like the world
doesn't end in whatever arbitrary number they made up.
Who says we have seven years left and whatever.
Who says?
Who says?
Yeah, it's probably less.
I'm glad that they're creating jobs, I guess.
They've employed some, some like public arts curator to like oversee this project.
And he gives, he gives sound bites to news outlets.
Yeah.
At least one guy is.
One guy is eating during the pandemic.
Changing the clock in Union Square.
And also of course this is like a totally fake non-story because this is only up for like
climate change week or whatever.
Oh, then they're going to switch it back?
Yeah, it's like the normal clock.
So then what's the point of having a countdown clock if nothing,
if you don't even get to the end?
Yeah, it's up for like a fraction of the time.
Oh my God, it's so annoying and boring.
And they also threw in a Greta Thunberg reference.
It's funny because nobody talks about Greta Thunberg or George Floyd or any of the pandemic
slash riot personas.
I'm just talking about the race filter mostly.
Well, the pandemic, I was going to say, I really took the wind out of climate changes sales.
Yeah.
Because it was like, oh, this, this, this apocalyptic fantasy.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Also that.
And then it was like, I didn't see a pandemic coming.
Yeah.
And then, yeah, that's true because it was such a blow to the world economy.
And actually some people think that.
Yeah.
I just don't trust science.
I have so little trust in any institution or purported expert.
Yeah.
And who could blame me?
Yeah.
I mean, like, okay, like what Deanna said on our podcast way back when
the, you know, we got a lot of flak for her.
She's absolutely right.
Climate change.
Deanna Abbas vindicated.
Yeah.
Always like black trans lives, all of these things are like plausible causes with like real
world effects that are basically a symbolic effigy for like affluent liberals because
there's no stakes or no goals for them.
Yeah.
They don't actually ever have to suffer the effects of climate change or meet a black trans
person if they can talk about this and like look like good people eternally like spin
their wheels.
Yeah.
With Judith Butler case in point.
Totally.
So good.
That's a good pivot.
Yeah.
New Statesman.
Does the name of the man?
Yeah.
They published an interview with Judith Butler where the, I didn't really get the angle.
Again, don't know what New Statesman is.
They seem to really be harping on the JK Rowling.
Yeah.
Stuff.
Yeah.
Like the interviewers seem to keep referencing JK Rowling.
Yeah.
And almost trying to get Butler to say something contradictory.
Or controversial.
Or controversial.
But Butler would take her very kind of nonsensical measured academic stance.
Yeah.
Which is what she's always done, which is why she's so infuriating as a thinker.
Let me find a quote of hers.
She said, as I remember the argument in gender trouble, the point was rather different.
First one, one does not have to be a woman to be a feminist and we should not confuse
the categories.
Men who are feminists, non-binary and trans people who are feminists are part of the
movement if they hold to the basic propositions of freedom and equality that are part of any
feminist political struggle.
She went on to say that trans exclusionary radical feminists do not comprise mainstream
feminist thought and are actually kind of outliers trying to derail the conversation.
And that feminism is implicitly a trans inclusionary movement.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't disagree.
But also, again, this interview, which I saw people accusing of being illegible or word
solid or whatever, it's not even that.
It's just like things we already know.
Like there was no controversy.
I mean, I think she was shilling a book.
Oh, I didn't even notice.
So that was probably the purpose.
I didn't even notice.
But already in the first question, she's lying for clout.
No, seriously, the interviewer asks her, in gender trouble, you wrote that quote,
contemporary feminist debates over meanings of gender lead time and time again to a certain
sense of trouble as if the indeterminacy of gender might eventually culminate in a failure
of feminism.
How far do ideas you explored in that book 30 years ago help explain how the trans rights
debate has moved into mainstream culture and politics?
This is the last time I'll quote ad nauseam and then she responds, I want to first question
whether trans exclusionary feminists are really the same as mainstream feminists.
If you are right to identify the one with the other than a feminist position of posing
transphobia is a marginal position.
I think this may be wrong.
My wager is that most feminists support trans rights and oppose all forms of transphobia.
So I find it worrisome that suddenly the trans exclusionary radical feminist position is
understood as commonly accepted or even mainstream.
I think it is actually a fringe movement that is seeking to speak in the name of mainstream
and that our responsibility is to refuse to let this happen.
And it's like, notice that the interviewer never mentioned
terfs or let alone suggested that they were mainstream feminists.
And this is a debate that Judith Butler manufactures herself immediately.
Yeah, immediately.
So she's trying to make this debate happen in order to consolidate her own position within
it and install herself as like the spokesperson or the gatekeeper.
First of all, the trans debate is not mainstream, will never be mainstream.
It's a mostly marginal academic debate.
It's a sliver of a tiny sliver of the population that doesn't
require its own dedicated or dominant discourse because it suffices to say that trans people
are people who deserve the same rights as all people, right?
Of course.
And everybody agrees with this.
This is non-controversial.
Right.
But the question then is when you say feminist, what are you referring to?
And that's where Butler kind of does become incoherent for me.
Yeah.
And I'm not a turf because I'm not a feminist.
And I think that, I don't know, well, think about like at the pussy march and stuff like that.
Like, I think that there's some, there is like a strand of what you could call
Turfism in mainstream feminism, but it's not, it seems to happen very mindlessly
rather than out of like transphobia.
Yeah, she's correct.
She's correct to say in reference to J.K. Rowling that certain women experience kind of
a unfounded anxiety at the thought of trans women infiltrating their spaces.
But I don't think this anxiety is deliberate or malicious or intellectualized.
I was, in the last talk hole, talk hole does like a column in interview magazine where Eric
and Steven like go back and forth and one of them said that British women are turfs because
they're so ugly that being genetically female is the only advantage they feel like they have.
They have those jolly, horsey faces with the wooden teeth.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They sure do.
Yeah.
I could see that, yeah.
British guys can be so hot.
Yeah.
In like a hot Elizabeth Peyton painting kind of like Liam Gallagher, Kurt Cobain as seen
through her eyes.
Happy belated birthday to Liam Gallagher.
Oh, wait, really?
Yeah.
Is he a Virg?
He's, yeah, I'm on the cusp, I think.
It's so cool.
Very cool.
I love him.
Yeah, but like, okay, she, you know, both she and J.K. Rowling actually take a willfully
reductive stance on this so that they can conceal their own motives.
Like, you know, she talks about this penis fantasy that J.K. Rowling has that she fears
the penis and the intrusion of the penis until life and it's this weird thing.
And it's like, but she's also living in a fantasy world where she refuses to define
what feminism is.
Potler.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
She says that, you know, anyone, gender is a construct and so anyone can be not only
a woman, but a feminist.
Yeah.
And then men who are feminists, I'm reading it again.
Yeah. Anyone can be a feminist if they hold the basic propositions of freedom and equality
that are part of any feminist political struggle.
Yeah.
Just freedom and equality.
That's, yeah, like, kind of like vague, bloated human rights by words that mean nothing
unless you contextualize them.
Exactly.
Can't use the word turf meaningfully unless you defined what feminism it means to you.
And like, exactly.
I mean, but that's what it is.
And it's like, you know, as I've said, the bathroom discourse is two bathroom discourses.
Like I have no problem sharing a bathroom or a bed with trans girls.
I know.
In fact, I wouldn't even, it would not even cross my mind, you know, but would I have
a problem sharing a bathroom or a bed with one of those weirdos on Twitter that hounds
and pesters me?
Yeah.
Cause they freak me the fuck out.
Yeah.
There's like different types of, I'm not even making this like blanchard argument here,
but like you got to define the terms very strongly.
Well, the bathroom debate, you know, because it does kind of, it is dependent on kind of
enacting a universal policy, right?
Yeah.
So that's why it's so, so yeah, like I also wouldn't want to be in a bathroom with Samantha
Pritchard.
But yeah, as a policy, you have to kind of be like, okay, we have to have mixed gender
bathrooms.
So that I don't, by the way, also, I don't care if we have mixed gender bathrooms,
especially if they're single occupancy.
Who cares?
Sure.
Every, this is what drives me nuts.
Like every fucking museum will have like a single occupancy bathroom that you lock
behind yourself that says gender neutral bathrooms.
Like you don't have to specify that because if it has a toilet.
Yes.
Anybody can like, you know, it's not, it's like an all purpose bathroom.
These debates are like literally manufactured to give airtime to people like Judith Butler
to spin their wheels.
Nobody cares about them.
I don't think trans people care about them in real life because again, most trans people
are just trying to live a quiet and dignified life.
Sure.
And like live as people.
Yeah.
So I don't buy like this.
And she says also, let us be clear that the debate here is not between feminists and trans
activists.
There are trans affirmative feminists and many trans people are also committed feminists.
So one clear problem is the framing that acts as if the debate is between feminists and
trans people.
It is not.
And it's like, well, yeah, no shit.
Like it's the con that's stating the obvious.
But again, she does not define what feminist means.
The same thing with Marxist.
Like she and her partner, Wendy Brown, are fond of describing themselves as Marxists.
Right.
But they never define what Marxist means in like that context, you know.
And in practice for them.
In practice for them.
Praxis, if you will, that's a Marxist term.
Right. And if, I don't know, if feminism is going to be trans inclusionary,
then it would follow that feminism has kind of a conceptual interest in femininity as
like a category that people can opt into.
Yes.
But then femininity, gender is socially constructed as Judith Butler says, and has no real material
reality.
So then how do you organize around the material interests of someone, of a group of people
on the basis of femininity?
Does that make sense?
That's where it's like falling apart from me.
Yeah, because it's, it's truly like that's illegible and incoherent.
Right.
Like it makes no sense until you realize what it's really about.
And it's like, you know, she and Wendy Brown will call themselves Marxists, but their interest
is to mystify and obfuscate the class dimension, the material dimension.
It literally is.
And you know, she again calls herself a Marxist and then like praises in that same interview,
BLM, she talks about how she has mixed feelings about the Harper's letter because as an educator
and writer, she's believes in slow and thoughtful debate.
But on the other hand, she says some of those signatories were taking aim at Black Lives Matter
as if the loud and public opposition to racism were itself uncivilized behavior.
And it's like, you know, again, BLM is a liberal movement that serves the wealthy and depends on
a class of oppressed racialized poor for its continued existence.
Like this is also unambiguous and non-controversial, I think.
And like, you know, what does it mean again to have Judith Butler call herself a Marxist,
but then be pro BLM?
And by the way, I find it totally understandable if a random leftist person on Twitter is supportive
of BLM.
I get it.
Of course, it's designed to kind of garner a universal sympathetic support.
Yes.
Even, you know, by being by virtue of it being called Black Lives Matter, it's hard to be anti-BLM.
Yes, it sounds monstrous.
I'm inclined to be supportive of it.
But Judith Butler is a seasoned academic with political expertise.
So she's lying.
She's lying.
She's lying and it's like crazy.
Again, it's like, I hate feeling manipulated and coerced and Judith Butler makes me feel that way.
Especially by women.
Yeah.
And like, you know, I don't, I don't know, like.
No, I know, it's like you can't, I don't know, I'd like to see her try to, someone actually try to
like engage with her ideas with her, you know, and have her unpack them because she's very good at
obfuscating.
Yeah, in like the most bland and kind of like, inoffensive way.
Because she's not like totally, you know, obscurantist.
She makes just the right amount of sense and then she pulls back.
Exactly.
Like she'll say something, you're like nodding along, you're like, yeah, that's right, yeah.
We have seen, when laws and social policies represent women, they make tacit decisions about
who counts as a woman and very often make presuppositions about what a woman is.
We have seen this in the domain of reproductive rights.
So the question I was asking then is, do we need to have a settled idea of women or of any gender in
order to advance feminist goals?
Well, don't we sort of?
I mean, that's why feminism is a very fraught and I think has a failure of an identity and a
movement in a lot of ways because first of all, women don't share class interests.
Yeah, they're not a unified bloc.
Or again, I'll repeat myself.
Maybe it doesn't need to have a unified idea of what a woman is, but it does seem to be
about femininity as such.
Yeah.
And that has to be fundamentally real in some way and not a social construct for any of its
interests to be advanced.
Yeah, what are the main tenets of feminism?
Well, we want to make sure that women get compensated as much as men do for the same job.
Yes.
That concerns both biological and trans women.
We want to make sure that women have access to child care and medical care that's specifically
for women.
This also possibly concerns both biological and trans women.
We want to make sure that women have access to reproductive opportunities so that the choice
between having an abortion and having a child is not merely kind of illusory or symbolic,
as Angela Nagel pointed out, that only as of now concerns biological women.
Right.
Like there's all these different intersectional, if you will, but pretty concrete material debates
that make up feminism in my mind.
But it's become so abstracted by the kind of obfuscation that Butler does when they
throw around words like equality and freedom and basically being anti-BLM, being anti-feminist,
implies that you're a misogynist basically.
Yeah, that you're black-hating, woman-hating monster.
But I feel like, again, the kind of stakes of the debate that she's-
So the dictionary definition of Oxford is the advocacy of women's rights on the basis
of the equality of the sexes.
Okay.
Okay.
For me, in that case, maybe count me out because I don't really think that equality is very fraught
for me in that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But again, but if you're talking about equality between the sexes,
the sexes are inherently biologically unequal in certain ways.
Like if you take the example of reproductive health, women need to be bumped up and subsidized
in order to be equal to men if they want to have children.
Right.
Let's ask Aleya what she thinks.
On a scale of one to 10, how much do you hate trans people?
Well, feminism, welcome to Red Scare.
I'm reading the Wikipedia for feminism.
Feminism incorporates the position that societies prioritize the male point of view
and that women are treated unjustly within those societies.
Again, I think being a feminist kind of does hinge on there being a patriarchy, no?
Yeah, for sure.
Because if there is no patriarchy, then there is no-
Then what are we unequal, whatever?
Where is the kind of the gendered injustice that's happening?
Yeah, but I said this on Twitter and I'll stand by it.
The problem that Sam Ho was tweeting about how I like the patriarchy
and it's like, I don't like the patriarchy.
I don't think it meaningfully exists for the type of women who invoke it most frequently
and loudly, which are awful.
It doesn't exist for you.
You're paid about the same.
You have the same opportunities.
In fact, there's probably a quota for opportunities.
You're certainly not as endangered or precarious as like working class white men.
Certainly not.
Exactly.
Women don't share interest as a class.
Yeah, which is like an insane claim to make.
So like to hear Judith Butler make kind of a Marxist feminist claim on behalf of trans women
when her whole shtick is denying that certain like class hierarchies exist
in favor of like privileging gender disparities.
Yeah, a patriarchy is when you can't go somewhere without your husband or male relative
where you can't drive a car or have a bank account.
A patriarchy to me is a very kind of material thing that doesn't really exist in the West.
Yeah, not in America in 2020 for the vast majority of women,
like in a systemic way.
I don't buy it. I don't believe it. I also like I don't think that any of these women,
like young millennial women, especially have any experience with living under an actual patriarchy.
Like, you know, the USSR was a much more patriarchal society,
but it wasn't anywhere near a patriarchy because the sexes were very much equal.
It wasn't.
Yeah, in that way.
Yeah, but you know, the kind of social relations between people on the day to day
were much more kind of sexist or misogynistic than...
Well, that's, I think, right.
There's a kind of, for me, there's a distinction between a patriarchal society and say,
like a misogynistic society.
Yeah, yeah.
If that makes sense.
Yeah, we're men are pricks, but they're equally disempowered or something like that.
Or just, you know, I mean, Russia is like a very homophobic culture.
Yeah, it is. It's very misogynistic and homophobic still to this day.
But that's different from patriarchy.
Yeah, from it being kind of like, and I think like also, yeah, these academics,
it's in their interest to mix up like political patriarchy and social patriarchy too.
And like, I don't know.
Well, yeah, that's why you can obfuscate and talk about something like the male gaze
or how many women say words in a movie or something to sort of bolster
this idea of injustice that isn't.
The Bechtel test.
Very real, yeah.
Your movie passes the Bechtel test.
It does, yeah.
By like, with flying colors.
Yeah.
I want to make a movie that does not at all pass it whatsoever.
I mean, there's a ton.
Well, most of the female characters talk, the third rule is they have to talk about not a man.
Okay.
So they, most of the characters in my movie do talk about Jeffrey Epstein, but they.
He's not a romantic interest.
No, they don't have to be.
They just have to have a conversation about something that's not a man,
which my movie barely kind of passes because most of the conversations are about.
I mean, they talk about buying like household products at some point.
Exactly, yeah.
It's funny that she talks about how she never felt particularly female.
And so they, and so she like asks questions about the constraints of traditional gender norms
for many who fall outside of its terms.
I never understood that anxiety because Poglia talks about,
like Poglia has literally called herself trans, which I can relate to and identify with,
like not feeling fully female, but I never understood that anxiety like that,
like Judith Butler is describing about how she, you know, doesn't identify fully as female
and feels oppressed by the constraints. These norms, these norms.
Because nobody's oppressing her.
It's almost like she wants her to be some level of oppression
to help her define herself against something.
Right.
Literally nobody cares what Judith Butler identifies as.
No, I'm serious.
Nobody's like, you should put on some lipstick to it.
Maybe show some cleavage.
She teaches at Berkeley.
Yeah.
Yeah, she's got a total like Berkeley brain.
People in Berkeley is just like a climate of like boomers wildly virtue signaling it.
No one.
Yeah, yeah.
Boomers like banging the wardrobe for battles long past.
Exactly.
From Bennington Brain to Berkeley Brain.
The Judith Butler story.
They're obsessed with Howard Zinn and comfortable pants.
Breezy pants and going out to shape and ease some shit.
But then never having to be around black people.
Yeah.
She probably lives, I probably, she probably lives in North Berkeley or like Albany or something.
She probably has a totally nice like sequestered lesbian life.
Yeah, I know.
That's the thing.
It's like, no one's in Berkeley is like, hey toots.
Swans should put on a nice gown for twirl.
That's always like the fantasy of these like gender norms.
Yeah, it's just like very simp.
Why isn't she playing with those Barbies?
Yeah, but it doesn't like nobody cares in these kind of like liberal elite enclaves,
like how you live your life.
Nobody notices your gender expression.
Nope, certainly nobody persecutes you for it.
Where you do get kind of endangered and persecuted for your gender expression
is in those areas that Judith Butler does not care about as a fake Marxist.
Right.
A farxist.
Like a like a farce, but this is like, she's a liar.
Yeah, this is also why I hate academia.
I mean, this is the real, the real problem.
Yeah, yeah.
Is that the whole system is rewards this kind of this rewards this kind of behavior.
Yeah, like self deceit.
It's not graduate schools of disease.
I know, I know.
I'm so glad I cured myself.
I mean, I just cut that limb off.
I barely made it unscathed out of out of mills.
Yeah, actually made me more of a misogynist.
I know how I had to hear the chattering of women's voices all the time all day long.
Like justifying their own kind of like narcissism is social oppression or whatever.
I mean, this was 2012 13.
So it wasn't so so bad.
So bad.
Yeah, I was still a woman's college was still.
A woman's college was still a pretty nice place to be.
Yeah, that's true.
I mean, college in general, I mean, my undergrad experience is very positive and uplifting actually.
I liked going to college.
Yeah, it was nice.
But you know, in retrospect, and I'm though I'm guess I'm glad because it gives me sort of
a reference point for when people make these really convoluted kind of academic anthropological
like claims or purport to have some kind of research, you know, I like think back to my
my thesis in college was called menstrual dialectic, which literally meant not like
there was nothing dialectical that I was doing.
That's academic speak for red scare.
No one and my advice.
No one was like, this doesn't make sense.
You're not doing dialectics.
They were like, A plus.
Yeah, and I like, yeah, I did it was in sociocultural anthropology.
So I got like my sample group of like 10 girls, 10 to 20 girls who I interviewed about their
attitudes about menstruation.
And then I tried to synthesize like a thesis about menstrual suppression,
like when you take birth control that stops the period.
And I did kind of wait, Dasha, but at least you did like real science,
real the scientific method.
You're way more scientifically accomplished than AOC.
Well, it's not.
It's not real.
My point is it's not.
It's not real science, especially and even more so now that it's gone through
like the whole post structural butler, butlerism.
Yeah, yeah.
Or it's like anything can mean anything.
And you can completely warp any of your findings to bolster any worldview that you
already have.
Yeah, yeah.
It's all just it's so lies.
The lies are piling up.
I know.
I know.
When will the lies stop?
Look at the avalanche of lies.
Menstrel dialect.
Thanks.
I think like I wrote an undergrad thesis on comparing John Singer Sargent and Valentin
Sarov, who's like a Russian painter of the same ilk, like a portrait painter of the
upper crust and nouveau riche like mercantile classes at the turn of the century.
And I think my argument there was that silver age painting was superior to like
suprematism and constructivism and whatever like the American libtards were on about,
which I stand by.
Yeah, that sounds.
I was always doing battle with libtards, though I didn't know it at the time.
Were you, did you go to grad school for art history because you were already a disciple
of Polia?
No, I went.
I don't know why I went.
I think because I'm too dumb for economics, which is pretty
glaring indictment for myself.
I didn't want to do math.
Of course.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And art history definitely is a very reasonable thing to go to school for.
And at least it's interesting.
At least you're like.
I wanted to do, yeah, I'm, you know, I was interested in like psychology,
sociology, and that was like the way to grasp at it without going into complet,
which I think is a.
Which is exactly where those kinds of.
Fake and bogus field.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, most of like the humanities have been complitified.
That's true.
Yeah.
They become like.
Maybe interdisciplinary.
Cultural theory and like post-structuralism have become the, you know, and I don't,
I'm not one of those like Frankfurt school people, but I think that it has,
it's gone a little too far.
Enough is enough.
I agree.
It's time to build those walls.
You know, I'm serious, like take all the open floor plan apartments,
build some nice bourgeois, discreet and closed rooms,
take all the interdisciplinary academic departments,
put up some walls and start turning out real specialists.
And then they can convene, you know, several years later,
but all this interdisciplinary stuff is just like, you know, like blotes and
confuses the terms by which we live.
Exactly.
Art history is also an honorable area of study for women.
Yes.
Aesthetic.
Yeah.
You're like an intellectual prostitute with who's waiting to get married.
People love to have an art history major around and eventually put a ring on one.
Yeah.
Oh, what's your expertise in?
Yeah.
Is there anything else?
I don't know.
We've done like an hour 20.
Oh, yeah, that's, that's not, oh, it's, it's our 199th episode.
Mazel Tov, yeah.
I think we've done a good job.
So we have something very special planned for a very special.
It's not going to be the same episode.
It's not a guest.
So don't get your hopes up.
Don't get your panties in a bunch, yeah.
Yeah, someone on the Reddit was like, um, they should do regarding what we should do
for our 200th episode.
They said they should do the same low effort shit they've done for the last 799.
But this one's free.
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