Red Scare - Call Her Pregnant

Episode Date: May 22, 2026

The ladies discuss Lea Seydoux's existentialist moment, Alex Cooper's pregnancy panic, and the latest batch of UFO disclosures.

The audio levels are calibrated. We're back. We're back. Heatwave. Mm-hmm. I was thinking of saying hello in a bunch of different languages, and then I realized I don't actually know how to say hello in any other languages. Nihao.

Ola. Priivate. It's just the same language. Bonjour. Yeah. True. When people say we're stupid I mean this kind of weather makes you feel like

Kind of bloated and sluggish But also good because you lose your appetite Don't really feel like eating Kind of glowing from sweating so much Clammy maxing Yeah And it'll pass Yeah I guess

And the humidity is kind of nice It's better than It's a long winter True How was your week? Good, I guess. It's all a blur. I don't remember anything. Yeah, I was in Miami. Oh, yeah, right. My uncle Volvo's 60th birthday. Shout out, Vlad. Had a ball, got some son.

Do you, here's a question for you. Do you think it's too late for me to go to law school? I knew you were going to say that. Well, I already said this too. I think that unlike Kim Kay, you can definitely pass the bar on the first try. Been thinking I can pass the bar. I think you can. You can probably nail the L set.

You think? Yeah, because it's all logic games. Which, yeah. Well, ever since not a paid advertisement, unfortunately. Uh-huh. I told you and Elena, I got that brick thing. That prevents you from using your phone. That stops you.

you can block certain apps. So I, because I totally lack self-control and have clinical depression, I haven't been playing as much chess with the aid of this tool. And now I'm like, I could do anything. Do you feel like your brain has been reset? I mean, I just, no, not quite. I think like in a couple weeks I'll really feel the effects. Mm-hmm. Do you have an appetite for media that's not online chess or online posting? Well, I do very mindless, like, Twitter, Instagram scrolling, mostly just to like, because I text a lot.

Mm-hmm. And then kind of to fill the time, I end up scrolling, you know? We should start a law firm. Oh, my God, that's such a good idea. Can you imagine? We just lose all the cases. Well, that's the other thing I'm worried about with my new career is that, like, I have too much baggage and people won't want to hire me. Yeah, you'd be, I guess, like, kind of a meme celebrity attorney, but it's not the first

time someone's done it. But maybe I go into, maybe I'm a defense attorney. Objection, your honor. Excuse me. you're out of order but if I do like if I'm a defense attorney pro bono

then no one can you know they're stuck with me they don't want the chair I'm their last hope just an idea it seems like there's a lot of shitty lawyers yeah I would say like

probably 90% of lawyers are shitty just like 90% of everything I was asking my analyst does he refuse to answer? Classic. But yeah, I love to perform and I love to argue. Yeah, but I don't love paperwork

and I don't love institutions. Well, sure, but you can brand yourself as a rogue. A rogue firebrand attorney like Gloria Allred who represents like women or repeat offenders. If we start a law firm, we would need a third. Why? With an equally like long-winded and confusing name.

Katzian and Necrosova. Like Katia and Necrosova, third other multi-syllable, annoying, slovoid or Caucasoid name that ain't nobody can pronounce. That's going to hinder us for sure. Kochian, Nekrossova and associates. Yeah. There you go. They're not showing up in the search. We can do that thing that like all annoying like online microcelebs do where they like pretend to be canceled to drum up interest.

Mm-hmm. Like they self-cancel. To start the go fund me. Yeah. I mean, you are legitimately kind of canceled. So that's also... So I need a new job. Like an in-road

because you can say like I've been through the Kafka-esque nightmarish like trial that is like dealing with the institutions. I could be an entertainment lawyer

for other canceled celebs. So true. I could do like a reverse McCartner. And then you just like hire a bunch of simps who do all the annoying paperwork, red tape, bureaucracy crap. You don't do that yourself. So you're, but in law school you do. It's just a lot.

But that's what appeals to me too is it's like it would give me a lot of structure and purpose, which I'm lacking a little bit. And now that I have the brick app. Like nothing can stop me What ADHD Um Just something I've been thinking about I believe in you Dasha

Maybe architecture I'm thinking school Some kind of A dull education I need another degree Yeah To get out of the To escape

The criminal justice. Criminal justice, exactly. The DA. Dasha. Maybe then I could be a judge. I'd be really good at that. So true. Because I love judging.

And I'm very fair. I guess what I really want is to like play a lawyer in a movie. I mean, I'm sure that can be arranged. I mean, probably not, you know, for a while. I mean, I think. what we're all looking for is like a sustained intellectual pursuit, which is hard to have. And like safety, you know, just kind of like this is, you know, my career. It's not actually hard to have. We're just like lazy and self-indulgent.

You need discipline. Yeah. Which I'm developing. And law school is going to straighten me out. Maybe I'll join the military. I don't know. Life's so long, you know. It is, yeah. I could do all sorts of things. Well, did you see, like, probably just keep podcasting them? The Russian Surgeon General or whatever said that 39 and under is considered young. I'm past the cut off, y'all. I'm old.

I'm young. You're young. I knew it. Yeah. Well, I'm assuming they're doing that just so that they can expand the age bracket of who, qualifies for like military conscription. It's probably something dark and sinister. I'd say definitely probably

something like that. But it feels good. I'm just shy of being young. I'm not that old. Well, I looked into it recently and globally like everyone in the world, most people are younger than me. Well, yeah, but that's because most people are like African or Chinese.

Indian. Indian. And in America, or just say, in the West. Young. Young enough. I mean, obviously young is a relative thing, which is not to say, like, age ain't nothing but a number. But it's just, like, depending on what career path you choose.

Your options get limited, sure. Like, I won't be an athlete. Yeah. Like, being, like, an athlete, an actress, a model, not that young. But being a lawyer or a politician, very young. Kind of young. But I don't want to go into politics. Sure, yeah.

It's such a dirty business, you know. I mean, I just don't have the stamina. Even though I have the focus. And you're just going to be disappointed even more, you know. I'm going to take a practice, Elsa. You should. Because Chad GBT said no. There's no loss in that because it could be fun and entertaining.

And maybe you might like, sharpen your critical thinking faculties or whatever. Could be interesting. Yeah. And maybe I'll do so well, though, just fast track me. Ladies take a practice LSAT. It's not like math. Law.

I guess it does have a similar basis of logic, but I feel like you're good at that. I did philosophy. Yeah, exactly. That's the pre-law degree par excellence, they told me. Well, when you were doing philosophy, it wasn't like reading Hegel and Heidegger exclusively. They did make you do a lot of like basic logic work, right? That's what I remember from the two or three like philosophy classes I took in college. Not so much of my women's private college.

There was like a Nietzsche guy and a Wittgenstein guy. I see. And I kind of did the 19th century German, which is pretty not lawyerly actually. We're completing the circle of German idealism. Birth of tragedy. I guess I've had the same yearning because I went to see the Raphael show at the Met with Fernando, which really just activated my art history brain. Oh yeah, you could finish up that degree.

You could go back. Yeah, I would have to write a PhD thesis. You could do it. I could definitely do it, but it would be an annoying slog. And for what? Yeah. This is your thesis, babe. Stick with me.

We're going right to the... We don't need to do anything else. I think we're doing all the right things. Well, when people yell at me that I'm a failed art critic, it's like, with all due respect, all art critics are failures. Because it's a failed professional, like, basically... Peter Sheldall. If you're an art critic, you're a thwarted visual artist. which is why you get into it in the first place.

You think? I think so, part of it. What about Peter Sheldall? That's the only art critic right now. Or Dave Hickey. Oh, yeah, he's a good one, yeah. But he's more of like... Clement Greenberg, Grace Holtz.

The best critics are like kind of... Like Hickey's more of an essayist, kind of in his own, right? Yeah. And so his art criticism is sort of besides the point he, like, uses it as like a medium. Right. to express himself. Exactly, yeah. I mean, I guess you can see any kind of criticism as like a subsidiary art form of the genre or form it's criticizing in the first place.

That was like the ongoing argument in grad school. Is criticism a legitimate art form onto its own? And like yes and no. It can be. can be. Shrader was a film critic before he, you know, went on to have his great career. So was Nick Pinkerton. True. Still is a film critic. Well, I always like when that happens, when people start in a critical path and end up in an artistic path. That's inspirational. Yeah. Um, what's on our docket? Um, uh, chick shit.

Mango. The guy who made Mango died. Two years ago. Fell off a cliff. Yeah. They're saying his son pushed him. Yeah. You're telling me this for the first time. I know. I know. That's okay. I'll still keep buying that garbage. What can you say? He led an amazing life. Yeah. He made a great store. I was up in Mango the other day. Oh, really? Yesterday, in fact. Mango outlet. Oh, you know what has made me a much happier person, by the way? When I stopped shopping on on the reel real real and started shopping on ThreadUp, which is like the ghetto mass market version. Because it has all my favorite like Y2K mall brands. Yeah. The limited theory.

Vinted is good. B.B. Yeah. I'm a eBay head, but I make a lot of ill-advised purchases. Me too. But Threadup is amazing because you can literally, just, you know, buy 16 things and spend $12 on each and the total bill is like around $200, but then you get a 40% off promo code. So you're like $140 for all the shit and all the stuff that doesn't work. I just throw it out into the street or give it to Chinese people.

There you go. I'm like swimming in low rise, boot cut pinstray pants and black shift dresses. I'm going to be throwing a lot of shit up on Deep Hop. They like, when you like return stuff, they're like, you don't have to actually send it back. We'll give you a credit to shop if you keep it. That sounds like a good business model. A global landfill. It's amazing.

I got to try. I think I've probably bought something on there before. It's amazing. People be like, she must be really miserable in her personal life if she's posting like this. And I'm like, yes, yes. I am, I'm bloated and my tits don't fit into anything and it makes me like irritable, like a bull and a china shop. But then I go on thread up and like go nuts. The clouds clear and like the sun comes out.

I'm like happy as a clan. Doing like TikTok dances. Doing an office siren law. Yeah. I mean, I guess we're like ahead of the curve in going to adult university. because like we already do the dress for the job you want thing. What? By wearing like pencil skirts and shrunken blazers?

Yeah. Like secretaries in a porno? I like dressing like I'm employed. Me too. I don't like going around in like sweatpants or gym shorts. It makes me feel like fat. I like to do both. But I like, yeah, I like to do my.

my United Nations LARP too. And it's like a good, it seems like a healthy evolution from the coquette style. Right. That I really put on them. I don't really think that. I did a lot for it. Oh, I just like opened Twitter and there's a new move over. Leta Sedu.

There's a new soundbite from Mindy Kaling. Oh. She says she understands criticisms. of her weight loss because it's sometimes no fun when one of your favorite actors loses weight. Whose favorite actor is she? Yeah, that's pretty presumptuous of her. And is it? Like, who is so upset that someone lost weight?

Yeah. Nobody can't. I guess some people think it's weird. I don't know, whatever. Some people think celebs are their friends. I guess. Yeah. And Mindy Kayluck must have some fans.

She does, yeah, I'm sure. How much weight has she lost? She doesn't even look that skinny. No, she does look much skinnier. And she got a little bit of tweaking done to her face, too. She looks a lot better, I guess. I don't really follow Mindy Kaling. Skin looking lighter?

She should have come to Michael Jackson, right? No, they're just like Indian women often do, you know. They brighten their complexion. Yeah. I don't think she did that, actually. That's a big part of their kind of, like Indian beauty Reddit. Yeah. I'm not being racist.

I think her skin color is beautiful. Yeah. Indian women get lighter skin to mimic Western beauty standards, and black women glue Indian hair to their heads to mimic Western beauty standards. It's like a human centipede. people mimicking Western beauty standards or what they think they are. I guess this mango guy was worth $4.5 billion. Richest man in Spain. I thought that was the Zara guy, but I guess they like trade off. They're both. I don't know. They're like Democrats and Republicans. Yeah, based on how my loyalty to each

switch is depending on how I'm feeling. And like the son and his two sisters took over the company. And then pushed him off a cliff? I don't know. That seems crazy. Well, yeah, this is my question. People are always like, why postpone the inevitable? And I want to invert that and say, like, why accelerate the inevitable? Like, you're going to inherit his wealth and take over the company anyway. Why, like, solicit bad karma and legal suspicion by, like, killing your dad? Patricide. Yeah, like, I don't know. Like, I was like, it. defies credulity. Like, you think you're not going to get caught? I guess there's no, like, cameras in the wilderness. Well, I don't think, you know, if I was his lawyer, I can make a good case for why I don't think he did it. I guess it's not clear what happened.

And right now, he's a person of interest or, like, a suspect, but he's... There's forensic evidence that's not adding up. But... Maybe it's all an elaborate mango marketing scheme. The mango hoax. It's like a triangle of sadness type thing. Like it has like almost like a cinematic quality to it.

That's like tragic comic, the folly of the ultra rich. Right. Maybe he has some like bitchy controlling Russian mistress who put him up to it because she was sick of his father's influence and wanted to get the bag, I don't know. But they had already taken over his company, no? I have no idea. He was relatively young. I think he was only like 71.

He was young. He was a spring chicken. And then the son is 45. Okay. I think, I don't know. More will be revealed. I'll be following this case closely. And I will keep buying that garbage.

Mm-hmm. Got a nice linen shirt. At Mango. Yeah, they're good. Mango outlet, like I said, regular Mango. It's nice stuff. Zara hasn't been hitting as well rightly. Mango's like less trendy than Zara.

Yeah. Zara loves to do like the Kate Moss, like middle era after she became like a supermodel. But before she got the facelift thing when she was like running around with Pete Doherty and wearing like festival gear. Zara's like I don't know I don't know what the issue is

I used to love it and then Me too. No it just doesn't satisfy me anymore Um Zara Home Zara Home is great And Zara kids

Mm-hmm also great And I'm not gonna lie I bought some stuff from Mango also has Makes Teen I know. I love the teen vertical or whatever you call it. As a young 35 year old

some of those clothes suit me actually. How's the size? A little smaller. Okay. But like normal. Right. But it's like lower quality, I'd say, all around. Yeah, because teens love to like run through fits. Yeah.

I was on Mango Teen recently because I'm like still looking for perfect athlete leisure and they're kind of midway between Brandy Melville and like Giamaguas. It's like American athleisure with a Spanish spin. The essence sale, they went bankrupt. I know. I've been waiting for them to close.

And it's not, I can't just, I've made too many. truly stupid purchases from there regrettable and there's nothing I want I need sandals I need a summer sandal and I kind of need maybe some more dresses I'm Mary Condoed again so I did the whole inventory got rid of everything that wasn't giving joy and so now I'm evaluating like what I can reincorporate into my wardrobe right thread up thread up let's go. Yeah. Just like you can get tons of a cute little khaki drab, sun dresses. The dress I wore to my uncle Volvo's birthday, I posted pictures of it as Cop Coppine. Yeah. It's like a denim dress with the gorgeous eBay. Uh-huh. Yeah, that was a really cute dress. That's a good brand. It's like that brand and then like other Euro brands,

nobody cares about, like Plain Sud. No gatekeeping. early odds diesel yeah don't blow up don't don't don't blow it up too much because i know i thought about um i thought about this before i boosted thread up but there's like so much to go around because it is really like landfill vibes yeah that's cool they just like dump everything in there and it's like coming from like Georgia and Texas not like well i've bought things on etzy before from Malaysia a similar era kind of overpriced but then they always show up

smelling like a dead body so you have to include the cost of dry cleaning. Oh right yeah true. Which adds up just put thread up so you heard it get the brick app and don't block

thread up block all the other apps on your phone except thread of and lock the fuck in okay Yeah, I was like telling you girls, I rewatch Lost in Translation. Because spitefully. Why? Angrily because fucking Justin Murphy had that cret and a horny take about when I was young, that movie was about a dirty old man predator grooming a vulnerable, newbile young girl. And as I got older, it acquired a new species.

and it was about one man's colossal restraint in the face of looming sexual temptation. I was just like, no, no, no, that's not at all what that movie was about. That's not what that movie's about. Like, at all. At all. It's such a moving, touching, and hilariously funny film about two lonely souls with like failing marriages adrift in this foreign land who come together because of like some shared. philosophy or commonality. I know, I know, I like cried in the end

when he like jumps out of the car to Whispers, sweet. Aw. It's like if you could make, like create the perfect movie in a lab, this would be a I mean, you know I love it. It's one of my favorites. Yeah, but like the sexual element is so like secondary.

Oh, that's so sweet. Josh was crying. And I know I have to edit for interest because I get all enthusiastic about media. I like reconsume and want to like talk about it on the podcast, but like ain't nobody care. We'll do a lost in translation review episode. We honestly could. It's also a very well-Bekian film. Like the sense of humor is very well back.

The like Orientalism. Yeah. Like just like disappointed and dissatisfied by life. But somehow hopeful. Just like the first couple of sequences where he suffers, like, demeaning microaggression after demeaning microaggression, like the shower head isn't tall enough for him to shower comfortably. Yeah. And all these Japanese people are really nice, but annoying. His, like, bitch wife is, like, faxing him passive aggressive messages.

I forgot why I was talking about this. I forget to Though I'll say I know Sophie made it when in the aftermath of her like divorce with Spike Jones but his character

in my many reviewings of it over the years I've kind of developed more sympathy for him like even though I love Scarjo's character and the heart of the film you know

like my Justin Murphy-esque annoying take is that she's kind of like a snob and her husband's like working. Yeah. And she's like, I know it's not like sexual tension, but she's like, she could be happier. I get what she's. Yeah. And there's an interesting plot arc with her foil played by Anna Farris who's like this like hot, Like a karate movie. Bimbo actress. She's like at the press conference saying all this stupid shit.

She doesn't know that Evelyn Waugh was a man. Yeah. And she's like, oh, I love Asian culture, like martial arts and sushi. And I really tried to channel that in my performance or when she's like at the rooftop bar being like, I'm not anorexic. I just really have a high metabolism. And you're supposed to like hate this girl and think she's like vapid. and dumb, but actually she's endearing and likable because she's being herself. Yeah, and Anna Ferris is very well cast. She's a very likable actress. And it kind of reminded me of the whole Leisay-se-Due

discourse, because like not to be too much of a hater or a Debbie Downer, because I do love Leia Se-Doo and think she's like sexy and talented and smart. Well, so she's, and she has two films at Can and she gave him an interview where the poll quote was that she, became an actress because she didn't know, to feel that she really existed, she needed to have herself documented. Yeah. She made this kind of like existential. She pontificates on it more in the full interview. Yeah, yeah. I'll quote the tweet. I have it written somewhere, but like periodically, one of the things that I find somewhat tedious in grading is like when they wheel out some prestige French actress like Isabel Hupert or Juliet Binoche or Leis Cedue, and they say something like quirky and profound and

everybody claps and cheers. Like, to me, that's really no different than being, like, an Anna Ferris girl. Living her truth. Yeah, and it's like, everybody's like, oh, this is so wise and so profound and so French, it makes me want to smoke a cigarette. It is nihilistic and existential. Well, it just is French. Yeah, but it's just like also.

But it's, you're right. It's like their version of, like, like, uh, Anne Hathaway saying like inshalla or talking about her gay brother or something. Well, you find it a little pandering. Yeah. It's almost like not even their fault because if you read that full variety interview, yeah, she's promoting what's the movie called? Uh, there's a sci-fi one and then there's one called like Gentle Monster. Yeah.

There's a woman whose husband has like child pornography. Yeah, so that one and then there's the unknown in which she plays. a photographer who has a one-night stand with a woman and wakes up trapped in her body. So both of these films sound interesting because they're like playing to two like essential taboos, which are like, you know, transgender and pedophilia. And obviously the comments themselves are topical to the films she's currently promoting and should be taken in that context. but also like the reaction to them is reflective of like the wider discourse around women and their issues.

Well, it's just, I mean, to me it seems like the most obvious thing in the world that someone would choose. Someone like, yes, they do who is one of the last, she's like, she's a real aristocrat. She's from, she's a nepo baby. Whatever. She's like beyond a nepo. She's literally, she's like a princess. Yeah.

Practically, like can do whatever. But anyone who like really chooses acting if they're being honest, it's because they have, like, a void and a particular void in them to fill that they feel compelled to do. Yeah, or like even less charitably, like they understand that they are sexy and attractive based on the reaction that they've been. getting from other people all their life and have that classic woman thing that we all have. It's like she did the Kofi Fianon meme. Like women think they don't exist unless somebody is perceiving them and recording them. But before we get into that whole thing, lost in translation is amazing. This is the Lost in Translation Review episode, I guess, because it just demonstrates like actual empathy.

And that you feel that you find both characters or all the characters relatable in a way, except for like those pesky and alienating Japanese people who are just like cute and charming, I guess. You can sympathize with the man. You can sympathize with the annoying clout chasing fuck boy photographer husband. Yeah. Who like doesn't see what a beautiful and sensitive person his wife is and is infatuated with this like. annoying actress girl because she's cool and famous. And he's like a careerist basically is the implication that he's there, you know. But I can see what you're saying.

Like, if you take it from his perspective, it probably is like a little annoying and irritating to have this girl loafing around in the hotel room and her panties all day. And she thinks she's so much smarter than everyone. Yeah. Because she is, but she's, you know. But she did, like. Sophia Coppola accomplished what Lena Dunham did with the famous girl's abortion scene. I don't want to have the Zoom shut off. I'm sorry. Oh, word. No, don't worry.

I'm scared to move. All right. So, yeah. The story based on a graphic novel co-written by Arthur Harari, this is the unknown, not lost in translation, might sound like an allegory of trans identity. It made me think that, of course, Seidu says before she dug deeper, but it's more the question of, do I exist. It transcends the gender of a person. Here's the full passage. I'm going to tell you something very intimate. She goes on.

The reason why I do the job, she trails off and starts again. I never really wanted to become an actress, but I wanted to exist. The only way I found to exist was to have my image printed on a film and to have the proof of my existence. I mean, John Berger talks about this, yeah. But for actresses especially. Yeah. Like, you don't have. I mean, when I was a struggling actress, even before that, I, like, was out of college. I moved to L.A. I, like, knew I wanted to do something. Yeah. And I kind of was, like, writing poetry. You know, I was like, maybe I'm a poet. Maybe I'm a conceptual artist, you know? And then I did want to be an actress because it was like, that seemed like a good, like, vehicle for things. And,

things that I thought I could accomplish in the world. Or, like, wanted to express. It's like when John Berger says, Berger, whatever, you know, men act, women appear, Camille Pahlia has a spin on this line. My favorite one, the most charitable one is Quentin Crisp, when he says, you know, some people have a talent for doing and others a talent for being. And women and gays have more of a talent for being than they do for doing. And, well, I think a lot of contemporary.

actors, especially in America, is that they don't even really have a talent for being. Like, they have the same, they want to be seen, but they don't actually really have anything to offer or, like, express. They just want kind of, like, and that's why, like, people don't want to be actors anymore. They just want to be streamers because they want just, like, the direct experience of, like, the attention. Yeah, it streamlines the whole process. You go from zero to one. But, like, what a real actor is different from a streamer because of their high sensitivity to being.

And they're in increasingly rare supply. Well, yeah, I mean, I think acting now, if it gets a bad rap, gets a bad rap, because of all of these, like, zoomer actors who, as you say, don't even have a talent for being. They're, like, totally manufactured beings. They have, like, no personality, no point of view, no taste. no culture. But it's nice they can still do it in France for now. She's my favorite actress I've

ever worked with. Why? Well, I've loved her for so long. I literally had like a picture of her like ripped out of a magazine like on my wall, you know. And she, we had like two scenes together and she asked me to come to her hotel and like run lines. And she opened the door and she was wearing these really cute, like, pajamas. And I literally was like, am I, like, I was like, am I having, like, a dream? Like, this is crazy. But she was, like, we spent, like, a day together and, like,

chatted, you know, casually in between takes and stuff. And she was very sincere. She was really, like, I don't want to say down to earth, because we all love to say that about actresses. And she wasn't really, she had this kind of, like, real, like, dignity, kind of about her, but also like an openness. Because she's an aristocrat and there's nothing to prove.

Yeah, exactly. And that was so, like, refreshing. And I asked her, like, what she was going to do when this film wrapped. And I also really like that she said, she said, I'm tired. I'm going nothing, you know? Whereas, like, in America, actors are always like, what's my next project? Yeah. I got a new script.

She wasn't like a striver in any way. Yeah, she was like, like, I'm tired from working, so I will rest. Well, it seems like they also, like, put, like, their vocation in its proper place and are able to, like, strike a healthy work-life balance and, like, get married and have children and all this stuff. She also told me, because she has a child with another, like, sion. Two now, I think. Yeah.

But she said, 35 is a good age to have a child because. You are not too young, but you are not too old. And I was like, love to hear. Thank you. And then she goes on to say, I was like, nobody, no one really cares about me. How heartbreaking I reply. Yeah, but it's true, Seidu says, with Parisian flatness. She doesn't want sympathy, but she needs to be understood.

In a way, acting, this is why it's so important and fundamental for me. I have this need to be seen. I think she's just like spitballing and making conversation there and I doubt she's ultimately that invested. It seems like, yeah, she's probably explaining it in pretty plain terms. Yeah. I ran a foul of your fan account, Dasha Purve, who I like, by the way, he or she posts good content. But they said, you wouldn't get it. You're not an actress.

Which annoyed me. Because it's like, honey, we're all actresses here. It's just some women do it for me. money, some do it for free. Like, an actresses are all prostitutes. Yeah, there's no specific conceptual barrier to entry to being an actress. There are other barriers to entry. I think it takes a certain temperament.

Yeah. But I don't think you, and I don't, you lack it, but I also don't think it's a particularly virtuous temperament. It's kind of human. Yeah, I don't know. But, like, you can conceptually understand. Like, you can understand wanting to be seen. Yes.

Or why somebody would gravitate toward that line of work or what they're hoping to achieve. Yeah, it is a question of like temperament, inhibition, and degree ultimately. I think every woman at some point, especially women who, again, understand based off of some data or experience that they are attractive, have entertained the idea of becoming an actress at some or other point in their lives. Well, something one of my main acting teacher told, not me, like the class that stuck with me was that, because he teach it, he would teach a course in New York and L.A. and like alternate. And I studied with him in L.A. and L.A. has a lot of like just Australian brain dead, you know, like really some of the worst actors. Yeah. And he was like, he'd have like very classic like acting teacher chimp outs, you know? where he would break us down to build us up or whatever. But he said, like, you don't even want to be actors. You're just lazy and you're hoping someone will, like, discover you and give you a life.

But you don't want to actually, like, pursue it. You lack the talent. You lack the ambition. You can't be an actor. And you're just are resting kind of like on this, like, fake ambition. And then you can say, like, oh, it didn't work. out because I didn't I wasn't discovered yeah you're like coasting off of the enthusiasm and like horniness of youth I mean that's like true and it's like a good filtering mechanism to like chimp out

or don't want to figure out what you actually want to do yeah or like lack the will or the vision I mean I think actresses are probably more artistically inclined than your average woman sure I think they have like more will and imposing their vision on the world and crucially they're much less inhibited. I don't think, well, like, I would, I would also surmise that the smartest actresses are much more solitary than they are social, even though they have to network. Definitely. And do press and stuff like that.

But I'll say, I don't think it's about, I think the best actresses don't want to impose their will or vision. They, like, do take on kind of like a sacrificial role of, like, helping some, like, you know, in service of someone. else's vision. Yeah, or they have, are able to do that, you know. And Leah S.A. She is one of the, she is. She plays a lot. She has a tremendous range. She's beautiful, obviously, but isn't, like, scared to look ugly. Yeah. She did that sci-fi movie postpartum, she's not scared to look fat. Wait, I'm going to scoop my package. Okay, yeah. Go get it,

girl. Thread-ups here. It's really embarrassing when we do sober daytime episodes because people get court side seats to my shopping addiction. No, but you're right. I guess I should rephrase that. Like, I guess most actresses don't really have a strong vision of their own. I think you're kind of the exception because you're like a hybrid person who's like a writer and filmmaker. Multi-hyphen- Yeah. But I guess they see themselves as like maybe like vessels for somebody else's vision. And she says something to that effect that she like has, that she's able to inhabit roles because she doesn't have. of like a strong identity. Which is a brave thing to say. Yeah. Because everybody wants to like cling to some kind of identity.

And it is like just it is just powerful and inspiring to be like actually I don't really. Yeah. And of course she does. Yeah. And well I've said this before but I think male actresses really suffer the most because. to them, they're like just too egoically fragile. And in my experience with like male actors who like work a lot, they like do kind of lose themselves, but then they develop all of these like angry neuroses.

They have all these complexes about being like a cock and like, you know, they just are, they get much more damaged. Well, because they are in such a. kind of spiritually female field, even though I guess acting was a historically male profession to the point that, you know, before women's lib in many cultures, just men played all the roles, including the female ones. Shakespeare, yeah. Yeah, and Japan, whatever.

But yeah, one of like the hazards of the profession that men's don't seem to wear as well is, yeah, being able to like being receptive and being kind of, yeah, a feminine and remaining like intact psychologically. This is also, I guess, downstream of social media that like with a lot of actors, especially kind of the older ones, they have very often quite masculine faces. but then they open their mouths or they do some stunt and they sound like stupid flighty women. Yeah. Like Willem Defoe or Daniel DeLois or whoever where you can tell that they're like, yeah, kind of insecure blowhards. Villam Defoe has always been kind of a fete.

He's not even like traditionally masculine, I think. But like But he looks like a Herman Melville character or something The guy we were on the plane with Oh Mark Ruffalo Mark Ruffalo He's got such a great Hearing between the seats

Yeah, watching him write as his memoir And it's like flat bill cap Fracking activist Mark Ruffalo Skinny jeans But like incredible yeah amazing actor Great Face has had so many great roles But then yeah like every time says something, it's like, ugh, just...

Well, then he's like an Adam McKay climate change faggot. Exactly. And like top Democrat. One last thing I'll say about Lacey do. She got them titties. She's fantastic. She took her shoes off in front of me. I started sweating.

No, no, something that really endeared her to me. I watched her take like a phone call with one of her friends. And it was like very brief, but affectionate. But basically the whole, the content of the phone call was she was telling her friend about a moisturizer that she really liked. And it was the skin suiticals triple lipid restore cream.

And it's great. And it's great. And it's great. It's reasonable. No, it's expensive. It's expensive. But it really, it's like the best moisture I've ever used, probably. And she looks, you know. This part was interesting. There's a soft spokenness that makes the listener lean in, whether conveying seduction or threat. I like hate the writing on these. Yeah, it really does her. Seidu also approaches her beauty with a quintessentially French casualness. Often she leverages her preternatural calm and plays against her angelic looks to, a say authority figures with a certain menace. I mean, the thing is, like, when you have people talking about themselves on social media, all, like, the mystique goes out of the window because you realize that people aren't really that, like, chill or casual about their image, you know? Well, she doesn't use social media.

Yeah, I know, but when she gives, like, the interview, she talks to good. Yeah, and she's, like, I'm sure she's also just gotten cooler and chiller with age and with kids. she's probably always been looking like that. Sure, but I guess she did all those sexy American apparel ads. Yeah, she's always been pretty comfortable in her body.

Yeah, but you realize that, I mean, I don't know about her particular situation, but you realize that a lot of it is a ruse because the trick with women, the name of the game is like making yourself look as maximally effortless as possible when actually you put a great deal of effort into your beauty and image and self-maintenance.

For some, some women look high-maintenance. Some women cultivate more of a baddy aesthetic. But in France, it's not fashionable. But she then goes on to say that when she was 18, she suffered from strong panic attacks and still gets them even now. And she says, when I have a panic attack, it's the vertigo of being yourself. I remember having a panic attack.

I watched myself in the mirror, and I was like, this is me. I am myself. What I see in the mirror? actually me. Must be nice. Like, oh, these are my gigantic milky tithes. Yeah, but like the panic.

Who has panic attacks? People have panic attacks. That's crazy. I can't imagine having a panic attack. Really? Yeah. You've never had a panic attack? I've never had a panic attack.

That's crazy. Like what, I guess Tony Soprano had panic attacks. That was a big plot point in the Sopranos. But like usually panic. I mean, it manifests in different ways. typically there's some kind of like cognitive dissonance. I would say people of like extreme privilege. Yeah. Or more prone ironically to it like. Yeah, it feels like something that neurotic and sheltered people have. I'm not trying to be a hater here, but like I doubt any working class person

has had a panic attack ever. No, of course they have. I mean sure. It's just a panic attack is just you know, you're nervous, like, highly sensitive people. Sure. Have, like, dysregulated nervous systems. That's why Chachybjee said I can't be a lawyer. Yeah, to me it always felt like, you know, I guess losing control of your bearings and your emotions in a way that makes you psych yourself out and feel like you're having a heart attack. That's what I've mainly read about panic attacks, that it feels like having a heart attack. Yeah.

It's a physiological response with sometimes like dissociative elements. Yeah, have you had a panic attack? Yeah. Like many or? Not like, you know, I don't, I wouldn't say I like suffer from panic attacks, but I definitely have. Yeah. Yeah, I don't, that I really, I don't know. But the other thing is that like, you know, it doesn't really change.

my opinion or impression of her, but like, probably you shouldn't reveal that in the media. I mean, it's not fair. When you have to do these in it, you know, you're just taught. It's happened to me. Yeah. You meet up with some journalists who was talking and then they, the way that, like, the information is conveyed is kind of out of your control. Yeah. You sound off about how the Jews are controlling her life, you know?

Next thing, you know. They're like, focused. You know, I'm sure she said a lot of things. things. She does seem like relatively humble and private. Yeah. No, she asked me what I like to do do for fun. And I was like, don't, don't say, don't say shit posting, don't say shit posting, don't say shit posting. And she told me she liked to do like home improvement projects. She was, yeah, I don't think she's like, meant, she would like mention her panic attacks in an interview to like make herself seem relatable or to like endear someone to her like she does seem very maybe I'm just in

love with her well she does seem like less calculated and manufactured though maybe that's also really good branding I don't know I don't think there's anything like she has so much money she doesn't need the money yeah she doesn't need the career she just needs to be seen and we're lucky to see her yeah she's got something a Ooh, yeah. She talks about, though, even though she's been in dozens of films from franchise fair to auturist cinema, she still feels a sense of dissociation about her own image. Obviously, again, all of her comments are primed to dovetail to the theme of the movie that she is promoting. So you have to take everything with a grain of salt. She's not like, she's not writing a memoir. She's not like pontificating randomly. She's talking about a film that deals with a grain of salt. I mean, she's not like pontificating randomly. She's talking about a film that deals with, I. identity. Yeah. And like dissociation. She says when I watch a movie with me, sometimes I'm like, is it really me? Do I really look like this person? You do, babe. I, you sure do. But that is like scary and relatable because, you know, yeah, sometimes you'll just see like a clip or a pick of yourself somewhere. And it doesn't need to be an unflattering one. It could be an extremely flattering one. And you're just like pulled out of yourself and you're like, ugh. No. Because it's like horrifying and you have to like in that moment in those milliseconds like confront all of your folly, your vanity, your stupidity, your lack of humility.

Yeah, it's unnerving. This was also smart. I actually liked the interview. Of course they picked the quote that was the most controversial that they could be bad. Is it even? I don't see the controversy. It's just the truth. Well, I think controversial about the truth.

Yeah, I think it just, well, yes, you're right, but it gets like the heart of like. That actresses want to be seen? But not just actresses, women in general. It's like a real woman moment. Sure. Actresses like prostitutes are, I think, slightly more honest than most women in that they admit this about themselves and pursue it wholeheartedly. Well, the thing that is like refreshing and non-controversial is that a lot of people, a lot of actors, actresses, don't admit that. They like

try to pretend like they have some like altruistic reason for their pursuits when they do, they just want to exist and be seen like anyone else. I'm just trying to raise awareness about the migrant crisis

and climate change when I show my tits on camera. And this was also smart where she talks about how science fiction allows you to be even closer to human emotions because it's so unrealistic that if you decide to believe in what you see,

you can really immerse yourself in the human emotions. And she's obviously talking out like making strange mundane. You can get a sense, obviously, that she's like a cut above most current younger actresses because she's just smarter, wiser. Frencher, more richer, more well-educated, just stellar. Yeah.

I'm sure she's. She's got her, you know, problems. Sure, like everybody. But she, I guess also the most interesting and relatable part of it was when she talks about how she's a really shy person. And that's actually why she got into acting. I think that's probably also true of better actors, like you were saying. Mm-hmm. Like, obviously there's like attention.

you need to have some semblance of like exhibitionism obviously. But you also, the best actors probably like have the restraint of shyness to motivate them. Yeah. And I think that like charitably, part of the reason they get into acting is because they want to master their shyness. And slightly less charitably, these things are related. Shyness is sort of arrogance. maybe the worst kind of arrogance because you're like, well, I know something about myself and I want the rest of the world to perceive it, but on my own terms.

How is that shy? Well, because you live with this secret perception of yourself and your challenge in life is to make it apparent to everybody else. Is it? Yeah, like often through maybe opaque or indirect. means. Yeah, I know what you mean. It's like withholding and Indirection. Generous. Yeah. It's like, yeah, it's paradoxical. But I believe that she's probably very shy.

Yeah. She seems like, I mean, shyness is. Not like painfully shy. Sure, yeah. And I think like you just get less shy with age. Yeah. But you always remember your former shy self and sort of like cringe at it. Morris, he's shy. Yeah, but he's also like, the most arrogant prick ever. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think shyness is like narcissistic in a way.

I say this is an extremely shy person myself because you, I guess in some ways, I mean, everybody feels this way secretly. You feel like better than other people. And I think actually the real challenge of overcoming your shyness is realizing that actually you're not any better than anybody else. Yeah, and that other people also have the same. Yeah. Yeah.

Pain and struggle. Unless you're Morrissey or Lius, they do in which case you are literally better than every. In every measurable metric, he's kind of better. Yeah. Yeah. I probably wouldn't want to waste my time with some. Yeah. But Morrissey also, he's not a real aristocrat, but he has like an aristocratic spirit.

And shine. She's also kind of ESL. Yeah. She speaks... She's criminally vulgar. Mm-hmm. And it'll stop you from doing the things in life that you would like to. Yeah.

Um... I forget. I forget what I was going to say. Oh, that she's a little ESL. Yeah. Like, obviously speaks English, but like when she says shy, there's probably like a French word that describes something more... I'm lost in translation.

I cannot explain to you. Is this a certain genus, what? My melancholy. But basically overcoming your shyness just means acquiring humility. I'd say, yeah. Or like acquiring, yeah. Acquiring confidence also requires humility. Mm-hmm.

Because like who the fuck are you at the end of the day? Exactly. Again, unless you're more serialized. Yeah, that, you know. Take some space. Take whatever you need. Celebrities are just like us. Well, on that note, should we talk about Alex Cooper?

Oh, yeah. Another actress. Call her pregnant. Good podcast title. I mean, I feel like maybe. People are mad at her. I don't have much to say. I don't see anyone mad at her because I have a real,

my algorithm is all fucked up. Oh, I only only. only saw people being really mad at her or defending her for the wrong reasons. People are mad at her because she's married and pregnant, but she promotes the single life and hookup culture and a lifestyle of promiscuity to impressionable young women on her podcast, but does the exact opposite in her everyday life. She thought she was just like talking to Kamala Harris or whatever, like, who cares? She should be robbed of her wealth and beauty and happiness. Her head should be shaped, she should be paraded in the public square and get thrown in horror jail.

I don't, yeah, I don't personally, like, engage with, um, call her daddy content outside of seeing, like, the occasional, like, Cardi B or Kim Kay or Kate Hudson clip. It's an interview show. It was two girls, blonde brunette. Yeah. Didn't have the staying power, the strong bond that we have. It's kind of inspired by Red Scare, you might say. But now she's solo, so it seems like it's mostly like an interview show.

Yeah, where she interviews other successful high-powered girl bosses. And the recurring theme is how women like bad boys more than nice guys, which also like isn't true. Yeah, it's like what I would just... Women don't like weak simps. They can smell it. They can see right through it. They actually like when a confident and powerful man is nice to them personally. Yeah.

And inasmuch as she, again, not a listener, but I think in as much as she promotes promiscuous. It's to the extent that like promiscuity is just like a female interest. She's pandering. That's her audience. People aren't like stumbling on to call her daddy and like deciding to have casual sex. They're like listening to like affirm their worldview about. Yeah.

She's not like moving the needle. Shifting the Overton window to greater. To what? Yeah. Degradation and depravity. And she got married a couple years ago, which she, I'm sure. or disgust on her show. I don't think it's like, why wouldn't she be pregnant? What are we talking about? And she seems like smart and savvy and self-made, which I can respect. She betrayed the other one. Or I forget what happened. I mean, I think they probably betrayed each other. We talked about it. I like, I guess I don't love what she stands for. But I like, I can't really object to it either. It's kind of par for the course. Like, I don't think she's promoting anything so much as reflecting it back at people. It's very like mid-market. It's not, it's like, it's not, she doesn't seem like an extremist or like it's not like a kink podcast or a polyamory podcast. Like she definitely doesn't have an agenda. She kind of just does whatever.

Yeah, she's like a cultural centrist, I guess. And like, I don't know who needs to hear this, but obviously like having a slutty phase in your 20s does not and should not preclude you from like getting married and having a baby. There's no law that says if you were a slut in your 20s, you can't settle down in your 30s or 40s or whatever. And how slutty could she even have been? Yeah, I don't know. In the grand scheme of things. Yeah, and obviously, like men like girls who are slutty and chill and fun. They like party girls and it girls. Riley Reed has a baby.

I know. You know, like, come on, why should an Alex Cooper? frigid or rigid women, though now there is this new trend that I'm naming called like the frigid horre, which is like, you know, the girl who acts ostensibly horish and slutty, but has a bunch of rules around it is kind of not sensual or sexy, is doing it almost like mechanically. Same more. Goes on to complain about it when she's sexualized by other people on the internet even though you yourself were the one

who invited all of this. Brother, you were the one doing the sexualizing. Yeah. Like that's kind of a throughfare. There's a good line in one of Wellbeck's books. I want to say possibility of an island, but I'm not 100% sure. Maybe like whatever.

or atomized or whatever where he talks about how the classic mistake that women make is in assuming that men want you to be bashful and demure around matters of sex, which is not true at all. Men actually really like when women are blunt about sex, just not vulgar. What's the difference? Well, they like it when women are sensual and sexually open and, like horny. But they don't want you to say some like dirtbag left vulgar shit about like, I want to come on your cock or something like that. I guess what's a little off-putting to me personally that you see a little bit on Call Her Daddy is this very millennial-coated thing that women do where they gloat about their sexual exploits like men. Yeah. That's unappealing and unattractive.

There was a clip going around of Charlize Theron being like, I just had sex with a 26-year-old guy and it was fucking awesome. Everybody should try this. And that made me kind of sad and depressed because Charlize Theron is like a beautiful woman. She looks, not only does she look good for her age. She looks good for any age. She's like out there maugging girls half her age, much like Megan Kelly, who she played in bombshell. And like, why does she need to go on call her daddy? or like the Metro Card interview show and gloat about how she gets the ick from guys saying they want to make love to her or brag about how she's fucking zoomers.

I agree. That is unbecoming. And that feels like recession indicator. Yeah. Like what is she promoting? What's going on? Has she fallen on hard times? Yeah.

Does you have brain damage? Like why? Yeah. You don't need to do this. Be more like Leia say, dude, girl. And I get, well, Call Her Daddy is a part of like the bar stool universe. So it makes sense that that's kind of their brand. And they're like in a boys club.

So they're like matching the locker room talk. The tone has been set kind of by virtue of the podcast network. They're a part of. She's a part of the podcasting patriarchy. The Dave Portnoy, Patriarchy. The Portnoy podcasting Patriarchy. So in their case, I guess. I guess I like how they're just kind of like playing ball.

Yeah. And like, well, female comedians do it a lot too. Yeah. It's also kind of like a boys club and they won't, you know. Yeah. They're like, you think you can do blue humor. Yeah, I feel like female comedians are like the only women who actually do use the term cannons to refer to their tits on stage. Yeah.

And it's rarely done well. and yeah, it's very vulgar. I mean, not from me. One of my early misogynist red pills to share an embarrassing anecdote about me when I was like in my early 20s, I used to make the pilgrimage to

that improv theater by FIT. I forget what it's called now. Upright Citizens Brigade. Yeah. And it was like, Chris Getherd and the one tall guy with sad blue eyes from that Silicon Valley show. And a lot of people who later went on to have pretty successful comedy careers. Yeah, and they would improv.

And originally it was all male. But I started noticing that when they brought a woman on stage, she would immediately take the air out of the room and just like fumble the momentum and the dynamic because she would just make everything sexual start humping somebody's leg. and everybody was like kind of forced to like clench their sphincter and laugh comedy critic yeah yeah but like without fail anytime a woman took the stage this happened it's cheap and it's easy yeah and yeah there's I'm trying to think of like who even like a great female stand up is I mean even Lisa Lampinelli who was like pretty funny in her heyday

like all her jokes were about getting railed out by black guys Which is pretty funny. Not bad. I mean, like Maria Bamford, I like. But she kind of was doing like the whole like anti-sex autism thing, which works. But yeah, I'm not really a fan of like Whitney Cumming. Yeah. Well, she kind of is coming in her name.

So what can you expect? Sarah Silverman. Yeah, she's funny. And like diverse. You know, she actually doesn't like. sex, she's like a kind of tomb boyish, but not bush, but pretty enough and doesn't do too much, like, when she does do sex stuff, it's not like hyper-personal. It's not just like a body anecdote. Yeah, about like some, what some guy did to you. I mean, body, like, B-A-W. And then he was

fucking me and I realized I forgot to pull out my tampon. Yeah. Like that kind of level of humor. It's not high-brow, like, the humor here at Redskay podcast. But that's been codified into, like, a millennial feminist trend. But, like, charitably you can forgive it because I think, like, women of our generation are probably so disappointed in love. Through circumstances, not only of our own doing, but which have nothing to do with us, just like general demographic trend. And everybody obviously has to save face about the fact that like sex and romance are fraught with the possibility of like rejection and disappointment. Yeah. And you have to project this attitude of invulnerability.

And of course women are at their best when they're sensitive and vulnerable. Yeah. Versus like brassy, bitchy girl bosses. And I'll say also charitably with comedy, it's like it's already such a like loser ghetto that like you were just, you're just punching down. Yeah, yeah. They're already debasing themselves so much, why not, you know? Yeah. Well, it's already irredeemable to get up there and do a tight ten. Yeah, whenever people are like, Anna, you should do stand up.

I'm like, well. Oh. Hey, I'm not that funny. B, you know, I don't want like another referendum on how I'm foggly and this is the ultimate one. It's, yeah, it's tough. If you get up there on stage, you're foggy. With your stool. Yeah.

The other thing that like nobody talks about is like how, that it is hard in a specific way for like really successful, powerful girl. losses because the dating pool shrinks. Right. Because men are done so bad. And then they also run the risk of getting preyed upon by like jigilos and users and people who are in it for the wrong reasons. Yeah. Of course, like people are still practicing like assortative mating and that they want somebody who matches them more or less is on their level. but that does, as I understand it, become harder and harder to achieve the richer and more visible you are as a woman.

Because I think having a career maybe is not a deal breaker, but it's not a value add. Yeah, it's a tougher sell. Yeah, and so then you, yeah, again, like run the risk of attracting the wrong guys. And if you're artistic, then you're probably like temperamental. And you're like driven in any way. You'll also have, you know. character traits. Yeah.

That make you possibly difficult. Yeah, more of a control freak or something like that. Either a control freak or like totally out of control. Like you'll kind of oscillate between, it's hard to be like a balanced person. Yeah. Yeah. And that, yeah, that makes things more difficult. You're not, I mean, not that, you know, Normies don't have their,

own problems, but you're just like not a normie. You're not an MPC. It's like harder to settle down. I saw a study on X that said that men who win the lottery tend to get married and have children immediately, whereas women who win the lottery tend not to get married or have children, which is supposed to show, again, that empowering men economically raises TFR while empowering women economically accomplishes the opposite. I think that conclusion is probably true, but it doesn't necessarily follow from a study like that, which is like way too narrow and specific to be. anything but anecdotal, like how many people are lottery winners? Yeah. But there is like this legitimate effect of like rich widows and spinsters being preyed upon by jigalos, by pedophiles, by all sorts of questionable men. This was a plot. I'm like firing on all cylinders today because I'm not drinking and I started reading and watching movies. But that's, I was rereading Alberto Moravia's time of indifference recently, which was one of

my favorite books that he wrote when he was like 21 or 23, and that's like a major plot arc. It's about this like rich middle-aged woman who's consumed by jealousy because her lover wants her teen daughter. But she wants to love her because she wants to like clout maug everybody in her bourgeois society. That sounds pretty good. It's amazing. And then her son is like an angry young man. Sounds charged.

He gets progressively angrier. Yeah, I bet. Because mom's a whore. Yeah. And a bitch. But yeah, no wonder like, female lottery winners are reluctant to couple

because they're like in a riskier being such a feminist. I mean yeah like what are you gonna it just makes more sense for a man to like get a wife that he can support

with his lottery winnings and produce offspring on his lottery winnings then like a woman like you know a woman still wants like to be taken care of. She's just not in a position.

Yeah. Even with the, should we start playing the lottery? We should, yeah. We should just, we need to stop all of our, like, fake bullshit dreams of, like, going to law school and reading more books. No, I'm going to start doing scratch.

We should just go back to our roots of being, like, Russian Euro trash and do lottery tickets. You never know. It could be, I'm feeling lucky. You know, this was for, foretold because I ran into Paul Coupo at that art opening

and he'd be buying lottery tickets for people's birthdays. That's a good gift. Yeah, it is. It's great. Should we talk about the UFO disclosures? Yeah. Not much to report, really. Trump posted a

AI-generated picture of him with a shackled, buff, gray alien. Mm-hmm. Wood. He's mogging clav. He is mugging clav, clavicular. And the Department of War, I keep forgetting they renamed it that. Disclosed 162 files on sightings of UFOs, going back 80 years, a lot of which were already disclosed.

Trump declared on truth social, whereas previous administrations have failed to be transparent on the subject with these documents and videos that people can decide for themselves. What the hell is going on? Have fun and enjoy. And that's really giving bread and circuses. His heart's really in it this time. Yeah, I guess they've moved on from catfishing and breadcrumbing people with the Epstein files to catfishing and breadcrumbing people with them. The UFO Disclosures. Like government mistrust is at an all time high. I know.

Ain't no one. I mean, if you are really taking any of these disclosures seriously, like, you're stupid. Yes. Like, why would they tell you the truth? Why would they tell you anything?

Well, it's like what you said, like, you know, I believe that extraterrestrials exist, but if the government knows anything, they're sure as hell not. telling us. Imagine if like aliens came to Earth. I like to do this thought experiment a lot because it's funny. And they're like little green men or like gelatinous blob that consumes everything.

And they said take me to your dealer. Yeah. And they like to smoke weed. Yeah. They like to blow trees. And they see like human people. They see Leia say do and they're like, no, she's ugly. Her tits are too big.

Because like they're little green men. And so their pinnacle of beauty is like Michelle Welbeck. Or they're like a massive blob and their pinnacle of beauty is like fat people of Walmart. Well, if they're like from an advanced civilization, they probably are like kind of post-sac. Yeah. I feel like they've transcended these like lowly human kind of. Well, J.D. Vance said back in March, I don't think they're aliens. I think they're demons. anyway, but that's a long discussion.

Yeah, yeah, we get it. Every great world religion, including Christianity, the one I believe in, we know, has understood there are weird things out there. When I hear about an extra natural phenomenon, that's where I go. The Christian understanding that there's a lot of good out there, but there's also evil out there. Which is like, yeah, there is a lot of Christian scholarship about Serafam Rose, who might canonized soon, wrote a whole book about, well, a lengthy chapter in his book, Orthodoxy and the future, where he kind of makes the case that it's like, it's not exactly that aliens are demons, but it's that like there have always been kind of like paranormal phenomenon. And it was only

in like the post-war era, like post-atomic era. really where UFO sightings and all of the like discourse around aliens became, Kate said it very well actually in our chat. She said it with the UFOology is like low American folk culture. And in like a secular world, it becomes like a folk religion that has its own like very similar systems. It's like anti-Semitism. Well, it's really, yeah, it's like who controls the world? Yeah.

Because we don't know. The truth is out there. There's looking at the wrong aliens. a real reality and we don't know what it is but it could be revealed to us. It like mirrors kind of Christian revelation in a similar way. And in the Rose book he quotes this French guy, Jacques Valli, who did a lot of, a few books. He says the idea that of extraterrestrial intelligent life has in a few years become astonishingly fashionable among scientists as well as fortune tellers as a result of a great thirst for contact with superior minds that will provide guidance for our poor, harassed, and hectic planet.

So he was like, if I do not study UFOs, how do I know whether I even exist? That's true, but like I bet the reality is also more mundane. and like there is a legitimate field of study around extraterrestrial life. Like this should be explored further. It's interesting. I mean, I suspect that there almost certainly exists extraterrestrial life, but like... There has to be. Like, who are we to say?

Yeah, and it could be something as like uncanny and exciting as like almost a parallel humanoid universe many galaxies away or it could be like unicellular amoeba creatures that have managed to survive on some desert planet. I was reading those articles you sent me and noticed that a lot of the UFO activity was reported in places like Central Asia and the Middle East and like the GNC, i.e. places where there are like military installations and like client states of like the United States and Russia and Israel are testing out military technology. Yeah, which is why it's also notable that it's came out of like, the Second World War, where our military capability evolved exponentially since then, you know?

Yeah, exactly. It's like, well, it's like the thing that they say about autism. It's like, is it that autism cases have increased or that the diagnostic criteria for identifying autism have expanded and become better? It's like, well, yeah, the technology around perceiving paranormal activity or whatever is just vastly better. It's not merely what you can see with your own eyes. Like maybe there are like certain things that you can record or measure. But if honestly, if there was like something really compelling to disclose, the tech should be there to be more conclusive.

But it is just also like some blurry thing. There's three dots. there's some, like, you know, it's all, I just, I have like no appetite for it. Not me neither, yeah, I was like struggling to drum up enthusiasm for this topic, though. We're actually doing an amazing job. I liked, you know, I looked at some source materials and stuff. Yeah, they're just not, it's just not in my business, like space in general, not that interesting to me. And then extraterrestrials, I wouldn't trust anyone to tell me anything true.

Yeah. And, and yeah, the Christian perspective is, yeah, is that there have always been phenomenon that, you know, people have encountered. Often it was demonic. Yeah, and I guess the scary thing is that extraterrestrials and Christianity are not mutually exclusive, but they do come into conflict with each other because if, like, you could, you know, reasonably. conclude that extraterrestrial life exists that like flies in the face of any worldly understanding of like faith not necessarily for god you can just say like it wasn't god's you know whatever there's no aliens in the bible because that wasn't we weren't supposed to know until now or whatever but it's you know you know the world is not just earth yeah ostensibly there is still like the sovereignty of

the kingdom of heaven. Yeah, that like transcends the entire knowable and unknowable cosmos or whatever, sure. Yeah. Like for me it wouldn't, even if I like had some conclusive evidence or even like my own experience. Yeah. I don't think it would shake me. Like it wouldn't shake your faith. Yeah. Wow, this conversation is giving Leah Seidu. for how existential it is. Yeah, I guess it is like... But I would, yeah, I would be wary, as Seraph and Rose says in his book, of like spiritual deception.

That there will come a time where we'll be told. He has, like, he's a very, like, apocalyptic writer. Yeah, that there will be a time where we will be told things about reality. not by like extraterrestrials themselves, but like systems of information will be created that like undermine people's faith. And that's kind of his UFO take from what I can gather. Yeah, I guess like shake the foundations of your faith. Like you don't need to be looking out there for answers. Yeah. You need to be looking within, yeah.

In your soul and contemplating. You know, you need to be silenced, silent in the presence of God. stuff. Yeah, but I guess you can see how this would devolve into like a low IQ conspirator discourse of people being like, this is just a distraction from other things, which are distractions from this other bigger thing. That's like the theory of everything that we don't know about. Well, it is just, I mean, you know, like war.gov slash UFO is like, I went on the site. It's like, you can, yeah, you can like click through all the files. And I was like, this very clearly is like a distraction. Yeah. And Trump's literally saying like, have fun. What the hell's going on? Roll up your sleeves. Get in the week. Dig up those files.

Yeah. Like, woo. Yeah. But it's not. There is that part where they were talking about, I'll pull it up, where I totally miss this about how Trump has previously released records related to the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Senator Robert F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. that revealed little beyond what was already known. Yeah, they release these files and everything that was already released is in there, and the parts that are redacted are still redacted. Yeah, and it's like, most likely, the powers that B know something that we don't and are not declassifying certain elements of these cases. But they give the appearance of disclosure to make people feel like, it's like a, it is a sciop. Yeah, but another, like, more mundane. but not implausible option is that they also just don't know. It's like when people quibble over who killed Biggie and Tupac. Someone's got to know.

God knows. And is it really that important that we know? I think that's more likely, even if they know they don't like really care. And it is just kind of like, I don't know, catnip fodder for like, uh, ostensible like administrative accomplishment. without like actually having to do anything or you know.

Yeah, I guess like not to be a doomer, but I saw some Fox News clip of Donald Trump endorsing Spencer Pratt. Yeah. Where, okay, now it's working. Yeah. So, yeah, you saw a video. I saw a Fox News clip of Donald Trump endorsing Spencer Pratt that I don't know if it's real or not. But I think it's real.

Not to be a dumer, but he did seem a little bit slower and more teller. fired than he usually is. Could be a, you know, a random thing, like he was having a bad day, but... I mean, he's old. Yeah. He's giving an unhinged, but, you know, what can you do? Yeah. I didn't see the clip. I guess that's like... That might, like, hurt Pratt in L.A. though. I don't know. The Trump endorsement? There's a lot of MAGA people in L.A. and he's kind of like a rogue. Yeah. But I thought it was nice that he was like a rogue. Republican who wasn't so divisive.

I thought that was like aiding him in his campaign. But, and that's why I'm not getting into politics because. I guess intelligence or did point out that this is reminiscent of like supermarket aisle tabloids that were like Hillary Clinton adopts an alien baby. Bat boy. Appoints Martian ambassador or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, it's fun throwback. Kind of a glittering image of sorts.

So little has changed, yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. I wonder what Martin thinks about those UFOs. They could land on his forehead. Yeah, he's his five head. It's like beaming in dispatches from extraterrestrial life.

This is a great landing strip row. fellows. I mean, the truth is out there. Yeah. But it's not on war.gov slash UFO. No. Though kind of a good, good graphic design, whatever zoomers. In that department's doing a good job.

Yeah. But anyway. Yep. We'll see you in all.