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Now we're back. Okay, we're actually back. We're actually back. First things first,
guys are a bunch of faggots and losers. No, I know that everyone's probably wondering
what's going on with the merch. Yeah. I have nothing really to respectful merch. We're
sorting it out. Yeah, you'll get if you ordered a shirt, you'll either get one or you'll get
your money refunded. Yes. So, but we will know by Monday. Yeah, I think by Monday. And if not,
then by Tuesday and we'll announce it on the next episode. I was trying to sound honest and
transparent and I sound like a weird when the grift works perfectly. Yeah. The plan make ISIS
merchandise that gets your shop D platformed after this. Yeah, how's your how's have the
last three days been for you and my ISIS gate? I mean, we sold out. I'm like, I know what
stock trading feels like now. We were riding high. The night before we were like, we were
watching those tickers rise. Our stock was up. Yeah, then the stock plummeted. I felt like I
was railing lines. It's just like freaking out like texting Dasha like that. And then it all
came to crashing halt. But I was emotionally and psychologically prepared because I know that
every time something good happens in my life, it's swiftly and ruthlessly taken away by the hand
of God. And I was like talking to my shrink about it. Murphy's law. Yeah, there's another
there's another phrase for something bad accompanying something good. But what did your
shrink say? The strife and effect. I don't know. I my shrink was like, Well, as I was like, I told
him how I'm like afraid to talk about good things that happen in my life, especially
publicly music. Well, are you afraid that like people will envy you or be angry at you? And
I'm just like, No, I'm like used to dealing with like crazy people on the internet. I'm afraid
that Allah will smite me and smite me. He did. I was right. No, Anna, hubris is its own. It's
like a self destructive prophecy that fulfills itself. It's good to be wary of being braggadocious
or overly comfortable. And well, it's it's good to you should never really like feel yourself
too much because the minute that you do you like step outside and start to pour like a
bird shits on your shoulder, which is like good luck. But still, yeah. So vigilance always.
Yeah, but like to make a long story short, I guess we can comment on this. The kind of online
outrage aside that led to a mass report which led to our shopping shut down. So we're now in kind
of like, I've been on the phone, or no, not even on the phone on their automated platform, navigating
the kind of opaque Kafkaesque technocracy of Shopify, jihad. You feel smited by Allah himself.
No, no, I feel fine. But I don't feel so bad. I also have like, I'm also totally exhausted and
strung out because I've been painting and they're for sniffing paint fumes. I luckily was working.
Yeah, the last few days. So I was in my phone. I didn't have my phone on set and stuff. So I would
check in periodically. Wait, do they make you put your phone in the little bowl and that sort of
thing? No, it's just not really good manners to be scrolling your quote tweets on Twitter.
I mean, I will say, as I said in my statement to the new Arab, we've been making the short for
almost two years. When we made it, it was when the MAGA bomber was in the news for mailing those
defective pipe bombs to Democrats that had random stickers on them. Cesar Sayak who got arrested
in a strip club that he was DJing at. And one of them had the ISIS parody sticker on it. Yeah,
as a lot of people do know about. But and then that week, Trump also said the ISIS had been
vanquished. So there was a lot of synergy sort of in the news cycle around the ISIS imagery. And
no one really, I did not see this coming, I have to say what the backlash, the backlash. Yeah,
I'm not retarded. I know it's a provocative shirt. But I didn't, I was not expecting like the level
of yeah, the sixth stunt is the sun. Yeah, we're not really clever marketers, actually. We're like
Dustin Hoffman's character in The Rain Man. We're savants. Yeah. But yeah, I know I didn't either.
But I think it's just I think it's understandable and unsurprising, I guess on some level in
retrospect, because it's just like normies caught wind of it. And it's like a new thing. And I
think people like just the internet is primed for this sort of like, well, I really feel like
we're 48 hours scapegoats in that way for just negative kind of ambient negativity. We were
promoting body terrorism, Dasha deserve to be, I mean, at least be headed nice in those pics. Yeah,
the funniest part about that, those people like calling for us to be shipped to ISIS territory
and be headed or like raped or something. And I was like, all this over a t shirt, you don't want
to be head or rape the members of the CIA that made ISIS happen, or the members of the foreign
policy community rise on the prize guys, the ISIS members themselves, or yeah. And it's always
like some girl with like BPD bangs in a septum piercing with like an only fans in her body.
And it's my family was trafficked in Mosul. What happens if a brown person wears this shirt to
the airport? It's like, why would you ever wear a graphic tee period to the airport that just
like invites scrutiny from like the TSA agents? I know, I didn't think like easy rags to the
airport. I didn't think we would we would have needed to issue a kind of disclaimer to not wear
the merchandise to the airport. But whatever, I think Maddie probably actually has but she's worn
it to the airport. Yeah. She's a crazy bitch though. She's not like other other girls. Yeah,
I'm not like those girls with Sanskrit tattoos. Yeah, well, I think it's the storm has passed
for them. Yeah, it's just going to it's going to suck when all these people catch wind of the
fact that this image was created by a Palestinian artist who's an avowed leftist and a proud
organizer. They'll have an egg on their face. That man be organizing in the streets. Truly he's
been very active this whole year. He's organized internationally, which is more than I can say
for myself. I've only like organized my nail polishes. Your apartment's looking like shit though.
Yeah. I'm like poor Patrick Baton. I'm going to kill my own cat. It's very austere at Anna's
apartment right now. She's been painting her walls. It's really the now is the time to do
a photo shoot of our recording set up for sure. Yeah. I mean, I always sit on the floor. So it's
yeah, you're like Lindy or whatever. That's the only Lindy thing I know. The other thing that was
funny for me was like, like Turkish and Iranian Lebanese girls yelling at me for being white.
It's like girl, if I'm white, you're white or genetically equivalent. And I don't think a
Turk has any room to fuck. I know Turkish girls calling me privileged was hilarious because
I was like, bitch, your people put my men's head on spikes and cut babies out of pregnant women's
bellies and you're a NATO member state that like be hiding behind the NATO designation to
commit to continue committing genocidal atrocities. Yeah. The white girl's narrative was very
normie and very predictable. Yeah. I guess we should have seen it coming. I thought having the
shirts in pink would be less controversial. That would really prove that we were white.
Whatever. It's fine. I think that's a good color for like kind of dime square skater guys to wear
when it gets a little warmer outside. The shirt's a little thin. Yeah. We should be we should be
canceled for the terrorism of selling jankies. No, it's fine. It's fine. The totes are quite nice.
And we still have totes. Yeah, we have totes. We'll find a way to pedal those, I guess. We're
going to be like sex workers. We're going to get go to another storefront, but they'll shut down
our PayPal. The real victims. Like sex workers without the sex. And then that bitch AOC released
merch right on our heels. Everyone's been pushing rich lately, honestly. Matthew Perry made a t-shirt
that he's like donating funds to COVID relief more. I saw it. It seems like there's been
a proliferation of merch recently. Matthew Perry's the guy from Friends. Yeah. He's the chubby one
from Friends or is that Matt LeBlanc? He wasn't always chubby, but he had a big pill problem
and got quite bloated basically over the span of like 12 seasons or however long Friends were on.
Gotcha. And I follow him on Twitter for the reason. Yeah. All of if you ordered a red
scare shirt, you'll be receiving your AOC tax the rich sweatshirt and mail imminently.
And we will be donating all of our proceeds. Keep calm. And don't be racist.
Cute. Yeah. Let's, let's peruse the AOC merch. Yeah, I'm good. Ilhan Omar actually was the first
person to release merch among us. Beautiful, strong, proud women of color. And her merch came
with a promo code organized, which I thought was particularly distasteful, but let's not get into
that. Let's see. I want Ilhan to start selling his jobs. That's I will hit by Green New Deal.
This like annoying, like socialist aesthetic shirt with her own name on it. That's pathetic.
Drink water and don't be racist. A ballish ice hat in this kind of like childish Drake album
cover font. More Green New Deal stuff. I can't, I can't imagine. Drink water and don't be racist is
really bleak. Why drink water? It's so like a passive aggressive and scoldy student debt
crossed out. Americans are too obsessed with drinking water. Oh, I thought you were going to
say they're too obsessed with student debt. There's always something with their dads. They're always,
I don't believe that you are supposed to drink eight glasses of water a day. I don't either.
And look at me. I barely drink two glasses of water a day and I'm thriving in this austere
and carcinogenic. The visually like, yeah, it's unfortunate. We don't have a visual to
accompany the room. This looks like a place somebody gets sex murder. It really does.
Wow, there's more. Imagine like walking down the street in like a t-shirt that says student debt.
You know, her campaign poster. She's selling a baby onesie that says fight for my future.
Oh, and Jen, another one that says AOC with like Spanish style. I mean, imagine wearing a shirt
that says green new deal. Yeah, it sounds like a band from 2008.
There's two. First of all, too much merch. Keep it simple. Yeah. Like, you know,
you know, short sleeve, long sleeve toe bag. Who does she think she is? So yeah. So then I saw
the tax the rich hoodie notably cost $58, which I saw people kind of countering backlash to
by being like, well, that's because it's union made. And that's how much it costs to get things
made ethically in America. But Los Angeles apparel tennis skirts are much harder to make and only
cost about $50. Yeah, they have all those pleats. And Dov Charney famously pays his workers a very
fair wage and is one of the forefronts. He's on the forefront of labor organizing has been for
decades. So I'm just not, I'm not buying it. But that it costs $58 for to make a shitty
sweatshirt that doesn't even have a hood. It's not even a hoodie. I know, it's, it's like one of
those flimsy sweatshirts. I just want to point out that our products are proudly made in El Salvador
in the Dominican Republic by sweatshop workers. The shorts are about wholesale. We are employing
Latinx people up in here. Eat your heart out. Also, did you know that MAGA shop is hosted on Shopify?
What? That's hilarious. I mean, they're not, their imaging is less over. Let's put it that way.
But they do sell a t-shirt that says you ain't black, Joe Biden.
Did they sell MAGA hats? I think so. Okay, let me fact check this. Other people have told me this.
It'd be funny if the MAGA website or store was just like MAGA at myshopofi.com.
$5 for a sticker. That's, I like those margins. I always see respect.
What's her, what are the stickers? Also a green new deal, drink water, don't be racist.
Yeah, I guess, yeah, it is hosted on Shopify. That's cool.
My question is that now that Trump's probably out of office, is it going to be acceptable to
wear his merch? I'm just asking for a friend. I don't know. I think it'll definitely be more coveted.
I mean, how would you feel about like a 100% alpaca MAGA throw for this couch?
That'd be very cute. Very cute. Red and white could offset the neutral tones of this colorless
and bland room. Well, so the purchases also of the IOC merch, much like ours,
qualifies campaign contributions. Yeah, it goes to charity for her. Kind of like us.
Like us. Yeah, we have mouths to feed. We have a campaign running indefinitely.
So you have to be 18 to purchase it because you're technically making a campaign contribution.
Oh, really?
And you have to be a US citizen or a lawfully admitted permanent resident, which
is a little problematic. Wait, why? Because it's a campaign issue?
Yeah. Because I'm gay, bro. Yeah, very gay. You have to literally, if you're a foreign
student or something, you have to enter into some twisted black market or you have some
US citizen friend of yours by your AOC merch. This is a very elaborate. It's like Kamala Harris
with her like a loan program and underprivileged neighborhoods.
My main objection to the AOC merch is that it's just like kind of fuggly.
Right. It doesn't have the strong aesthetic branding of say a mega hat or an ISIS flag.
Also, I would just like to say that we did not aestheticize ISIS,
ISIS aesthetic. Yeah, yeah. That was their whole play. Yeah. Was to have a bull's aesthetic.
Much like AOC, they were targeting disillusioned and demoralized millennials
with their bold aesthetic campaign. And they are vanquished, no?
Yeah. They haven't been relevant since like 2015. You know, I think it was Maddie who said that like
Al Qaeda is the product of terrorist organizations and ISIS is the reformation.
Damn. That hurts. I had to think about that for a minute because ISIS was very aesthetically strong,
but that's kind of how reformation was right out the gate.
And still I find myself perusing the reformation site.
It speaks to me on a libidinal kind of level where I'm like, oh, wow, like I would look like such a
hot sly in that little top influencer. How do you feel about being called an influencer
by the British tabloids? I feel like whatever about it. Yeah. Comfortably numb.
I'm, I don't know. Would it be nice to have some influence?
Obviously, we don't have enough. We've had some influence. We've inspired at least half a dozen
people to lose weight. That's not nothing. We've Paul Kupo confirmed on this very pod that he's
seen us up on some mood board. Yeah. I think I'm getting some cat burky products actually. I did
that nylon interview where I listed my exhaustive beauty routine. So I look forward to making some
sponsored content. Oh, do you has that part of the arrangement? I have to make a video,
but I think that you have to spawn con. I have to send it to them to use internally.
And I think maybe post on Instagram. I said I would do it. I'm not above it.
Was this before or after the ISIS scandal? This was before. So we'll keep up.
Maybe my cleansing balm won't show up after all. Your office rescinded.
No amount of facial cleanser is going to be able to wash the stink of
being called a bigot in the daily star off of me.
I'm just kind of disappointed that it was the daily star and the sun and not the daily mail.
The sun's not nothing to sneeze at. It's no, it's no daily mail. It's no daily mail.
I mean, you've been in the daily mail before. No, haven't you? I don't think so. I thought
you were once in the daily mail in a photo with Allison during the Epstein trial. Yeah, I was.
You weren't named, I don't think, but you've definitely been pictured in the daily mail,
which is not nothing too. Yeah. We're on our way. We're going to start somewhere.
I will know that I have made it when I am published, printed in the daily mail.
That's the only thing that's going to make my sister proud. That's all I care about.
Oh, yeah. And since her family. Okay, so AOC merch. No. What is she? Is she on Shopify?
No, I guess she has her own. It's like connected to her campaign website.
It's weird that they used like a Casper David Friedrich inspired graphic for their Green New
Deal t-shirt. They have a couple of Green New Deal designs. I don't know who that person is,
who you said? He's like a painter. He's kind of like a German romantic painter.
You mean this one with the globe? With the guy standing on the press of the mountain.
Yeah, it's her. It's not a guy. Oh, it's her. It's AOC, as you can tell by her pantsuit.
I thought it was like a Native American chief. I can't tell. It's from the back. It's very androgynous.
Look at her shiny black hair. Oh, and she's wearing velvet. I don't know. I mean,
men have long hair these days. It's androgynous, like our numero shoot.
I'm looking up the illustrator. It's probably some millennial with her
erectile dysfunction. Same difference. The merchandising is very craven and we should
know. But I feel like the Casper David Friedrich reference goes against her whole ethos because
it's something that she and her dumb, addled brain would brand as like white supremacists
because it's like the pinnacle of German romanticism. You mean that painting that's like on all the
books? Yeah, where he's standing on the waves or crashing. Yeah, he's like looking into the fog
and it's like he's pondering existential destiny as like a future ubermensch or whatever. Right.
Yeah, I have a copy of Zarathustra with that painting. Yeah, exactly. It's literally the
painting that is used to illustrate Nietzsche tomes. But she's not looking at like a turbulent
cliff with crashing waves. She's looking out at like a pristine, sunny,
green new green New Deal environment. She's looking at a post green New Deal world
where we are free of the torments of modernity that the guy with the cane looking at the
coin must surely be pondering. She's just thinking about then securing that bag. Yeah.
And getting reelected, which I'm sure she will. Yeah, I'm sure she's destined for like a decades
long career and Congress or Senate or whichever one of those American
and that just little body she are you okay? Yeah, my jewel went down the wrong, the wrong hole.
I'm looking at a lot of Mars merge. Yeah, what's her merge? Oh, she has it
also really fugly. She has a shirt that says a fuck around and find out with
asterisks in the cuss cuss word. It's a little bit more ballsy than what
AOC is offering also her like,
they're really bad. The designs are bleak.
How does the left have such bad aesthetics? I don't know. She should really just manufacture
hijabs. Women want to wear that somebody photoshopped my ISIS shirt selfie into like a full on
burka. And it was unironically a look that I would like to wear.
There's a shirt with a faceless woman wearing a hijab, but it's a t-shirt
with a picture of a hijab on it. That's rainbow colored.
If your freedom rests on my oppression, then neither of us are free. Send her back dot,
dot, dot to Congress. Oh, he's really running with this beanies kind of cute. The beanies
cute. Yeah. Okay. That's the cutest thing in the squad merch. Shopes that I've seen. I would wear that.
Yeah. Maybe we can make a beanie. Yeah. Good idea.
What else is on the, on the docket? Barack Obama black man doing his thing. Oh, yeah.
Barack Obama went on his Snapchat talk show, whatever that is. And then was in the news.
There was an article in the Hill where he said that we, meaning the left, lose people with our,
with snappy slogans, like defund the police. And a lot of people feel that he is sort of
concerned trolling about how ambiguous that term is, which I think, I think people do understand
what defund the police means. No, I, I don't know. I mean, I, the argument is that it,
people conflate it with abolishing police departments entirely, which I could see how
someone would make that mistake. Yeah. I mean, I think this is just like a mask off moment for
Obama because he is really a, by his own words, a conservative. Yeah. I think he's just like,
you know, not hiding it anymore. Yeah. What else did he say? I'm looking at this article now.
They asked him how he accounted for black, young black men voting for Trump
more so in 2020 than in 2016. And he said that that's because men in general are drawn to
men who project mass, I'm paraphrasing here, mass divinity or some macho kind of vibe.
Yeah. What do you think about all that? I mean, that's just blatantly not true and completely
blind to the material conditions that move people to vote for Trump, which are not illegitimate.
I think like poor black men just like see that the democratic party is not working for them.
Also subtle shade at Joe Biden for not stepping up to the plate and being masculine enough to
true deter the young black vote. Well, Obama's like putting his foot in his mouth a lot lately.
Like the, there was that other headline talking so much. I don't know. He's trying to sell some
merch. I guess he has that book, the book out. Yeah. He has that book out where he talks about
like intellectually finger blasting leftist women, long-legged socialists,
Barack Obama, one or zero on the binary. One. Maybe one before he took office.
Yes. And he had the leather jacket in the after. Yeah. Definitely a one. And then as he got more
kind of weathered and haggard over the course of his presidency by all the Faustian bargains
he no doubt had to make, he lost a lot of that charisma. Yeah. That supple sheen.
I think like also young black men probably are not into like millennial undesign and like AOC
and Ilhan merch. They like like Trump's aesthetic more, which like most normies do, which is fine.
That is bold and cool. There's no denying. It's fresh. But it's funny how kind of like
the black politicians, Obama and Jim Clyburn are like raising the red flag about like these
so-called snappy slogans. They're like leading the charge. That is interesting. Among the
dark party. Post-election. Yeah. Post-election. We can take the mask off and admit that we will
not be defunding the police. Yeah. Yeah. I really like that tweet that was like
defund the police and Joe Biden being like, I hear you, I will put more money in defund for the
police. Oh, my headphones did something weird. Oops. No, the pod's fine. The levels are moving.
Did you say that? Yeah, I think like, I don't know, just like a total
normie opinion. It's not even conservative. It's not like it's a completely normie opinion to have
that you actually don't want the police to be defunded or abolished. I can see how
those two things can be conflated in the minds of people. And I can see how snappier than,
you know, reallocate funds from the police. Yeah. Reappropriate and reallocate. Yeah.
They're just like a few too many qualifiers. Defund the police just really gets right to the point.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's okay. And these are snappy slogans for sure. My issue with them is like,
less that they're dangerous and galvanizing and might make revolution happen, but that they're
precisely like so kind of utopian and farfetched that they're literally like,
not like they're never going to come to fruition. It's like a weird.
Yeah. And they don't deter anyone who wouldn't already disagree with what
defund the police actually refers to. And it's more measured definition. Yeah. You know,
I think like, yeah, maybe the police feel hostile towards defund the police, but they feel hostile
to reallocating their resources as well. Yeah. Which is understandable from their point of view
as employees, then it becomes like an employee employer, a labor problem.
And yeah, I wonder, I do really wonder what Barak's angle here is, but he threw, it's funny.
You think he's just kind of paying lip service to the Biden administration?
You know, like he's kind of a foot soldier for their agenda.
Vaguely kind of genuflecting to them. I mean, he's so rich, he doesn't give a shit, but yeah.
It's funny that you say that he kind of throws Biden under the bus by implying that he's
effeminate. Yeah. Well, but you know, black guys really, they typically have big dicks, so they
probably want to, they don't want to vote for a little. That's why they sag their pants. Little
dick Joe. This is common knowledge.
Sorry, Jill.
But it's funny, but he also kind of threw Michelle under the bus recently,
because he made that comment about the Melania had the bomb is Christmas decoration.
He said that she had some bomb ass pussy.
What did he say?
There is nobody, you know, he made that comment about how his, his main priority or like Michelle's
main priority during his presidency was to not be photographed in a bikini, which like implies
that you don't think highly of your wife's. I'm sure that they had, they had an understanding
about that. I think she sanctioned that. Yeah, probably. Probably, but it looks bad.
I know. It doesn't, it's not the, you know, my husband said that about me, I would probably
like raise hell and then make him buy me like a piece of jewelry or something. Yeah.
She would be photographed in a tankini, however, so that she could show off her strong,
her strong arms. Michelle Obama is definitely a tankini kind of.
She is. Yeah, that's true. I can almost see her in like a JC Penney catalog.
Totally. In a modest tankini, boy short.
What else is cracking? The first thing that you should be forced to post a picture for
something in a bikini. The American people deserve it and it's good for morale.
Yeah, totally. Well, that's why I, I love those melting skanks of the Trump administration. I
was just looking at this other one who was like his director of comms or something,
Alyssa Farah, who just quit. This woman like looks like she does milk porn.
Yeah, they all do. She's like wearing also, they all wear like that purple kind of cool
purple fuchsia tone color. That looks good on no one's skin tone, let alone they're like pink one.
Yeah. And they all, yeah, they all look like kind of like an actress playing Sarah Palin at a gang
bang. But it's like weirdly, it weirdly works. Yeah, cohesive aesthetics. Yeah.
Yeah. Which isn't nothing. Arguably everything. Yeah, I, you know, I like Kaley McNamee.
Love. Timmy McVeigh. What?
Hope Hicks is a dime. Yeah. I want to see what her march would be like.
Interesting. Like what it would be cool if like, wow, she's 32. She's accomplished so much. I know.
God. I know. Sometimes I like look at these women in Trump's administration. I'm like,
my God, you're 31. She has it all. How long has she been cutthroat?
I don't know. She was like a Ralph Lauren model, right? Wow. God. Like whatever people accuse me
of feeling toward AOC, I feel toward the under 35 members of Trump's female cabinet. Yeah.
I'm just like, how do you get your makeup to look so caked on? They bake it. Like the Kardashians.
What is that? It's when you put on like moisturizer drag queens do it because it like makes,
it covers up like stubble and it's like a way of making your face like a sheet, you know. And it's
like foundation and then you put powder on like really heavy powder on and let your face kind of
get warm and bake the makeup into your skin and wipe the powder off and you have this kind of like
canvas like surface. That's why they all have bad skin. Or is it like a chicken or the egg thing?
I don't know. I think it, yeah. It seems like it clogs your pores to bake your makeup. They don't
have time to do a retina cycle. That's why they're accomplishing so much. I know it sucks.
I've never done it. I'm interested though. I'm interested too. Now that my dreams of joining
the Trump administration are dashed. There's always 2024. What else is going on? There's
a new lockdown in LA. Oh yeah. Sorry. My other plans for the winter are also dashed.
Yeah, we're sticking around. Yeah. We both very valiantly thought we would winter in Los Angeles
for a while. We had, we had big plans, but alas. I don't want to be in LA if everything is closed
and you just have to like. Well, podcasters are exempt from the lockdown. We're an essential business.
Would have been nice if they extended that courtesy to us here in New York, but we were
never really, we were locked down, I guess. Yeah, but we had a curfew briefly, but in LA it seems
like you're not even allowed to like go outside after 10 p.m. Yeah, you can't, you can't gather
with people who aren't your family members. Okay. What else can't you do? Yeah, they like
weld you into your home unless you're a podcaster or work at a private golf course. Those are the
only two classes of people that are allowed to leave. But LA is already so socially distant. Yeah.
It's like, what are people risking in their cars or at lessons or sitting in their car?
Because grocery stores are open. No. Yeah, but they're like 20% capacity. Yeah. God, this makes
me miss like the heyday. They're just trying to break us down so we can all be eager to take the
the vaccine. The vaccine, yeah. The nefarious injections that we're all imminently receiving
that are going to make us even more retarded than sterile. God. They're trying to sterilize us all,
which is unnecessary because no one's be fucking or having kids anyway. And
which is why I don't know why AOC this pretty I want to produce an ISIS baby onesie, but I think
that's probably off the table too. I mean, we not not on Shopify, I guess we sold our last shirts on
big cartel. It's like the that's like the I was going to say band camp. I mean, it's literally
what bands used to sell their merch. But I think it's just a little hot right now to
to get back in the merch game. Yeah. To be continued. I had no idea merch was such a lucrative
industry. I feel like Fubu or Carl Kanai or something like still kind of for a brief moment
there. I was like, Hannah, oh my God, done it. We're like the Olsen twins. We're going to become
fashion couturiers. The row wrinkly long sleeve T shirt.
But yeah, now that we know how much we stand to gain will be galvanized to maybe make some more
more merch. Yeah, we have to find it. We have to like find a home. So if any of you listeners
are coders and know how to make a show and we'll go ahead and email us and we will read it in a
couple months when we get around to checking our email. What else? This I mean, this order is like
really confusing and retarded. Yet prohibits public and private gatherings of people from
more than one household and states that all businesses in the city require people to work
on location must stop operating. There's several exemptions for faith based outdoor services
and the homeless. It's really nice of them to think of the homeless. Oh, good. You guys won't
house them for violating your stay at home order. You're not going to force them to shelter.
That's so kind of you. And you just, isn't that a, couldn't that be a loophole potentially if you're,
if you violate a lockdown order, couldn't you just say that you're homeless? You don't have
anywhere to go. We should all just become homeless in solidarity. Increasing homeless population
of Los Angeles. Yeah. I mean, it sucks. I think, I, California seems like it has a huge amount
of like restaurants. Yeah. And they're all set up for alfresco dining. Yeah. I guess they are, yeah.
That's when I was in LA over the summer, but that's, it was like when cases started spiking
again, but it was initially such a relief. It felt like such a humane way to live. Yeah.
Compared to how New York had been through the late winter spring. But now it looks like New York's
back, back on top. Do you think Trump will come back to, to New York once he leaves dusty
SDC behind? Yeah, he has to. Right? What else is he going to do? I mean, I guess he could retire
somewhere warm and balmy. Yeah. He could go to Florida. Yeah. Florida. I don't really care about
Trump. I care about Melania. I want to know where she goes. Yeah. Wherever her man's goes. Yeah,
I guess. No, I don't know. Her and Barron will go to some nice locale, I hope. Yeah. This is,
I mean, no, but you're, I saw a tweet, somebody was quoting Nancy Pelosi about how she's okay
with a lower stimulus package this time around because she's banking on, on the vaccine being
such a game changer that people won't actually need extra funds or resources, which is like so crazy.
Right. That's okay now because we have a new president, a president who recognized that we
need to depend on science. Pelosi is such a lizard. It's so crazy. It's just, it's so not,
it's like crazy. They're just like rubbing it in your face and there's nothing you can do about it.
She's like, why would you need a stimulus check when like a heat lamp and a nice box of frozen
flies is only so much funny. Take a walk around a perimeter of a private golf course, but be careful
not to step inside the bounds. Maybe we should all get jobs at private golf courses. That could
be fun. I'll be a ball girl. Fun look. Oh yeah. We look cute in polaroid. Yeah. Do you wear tennis
skirts at golf courses? Is it the same uniform, different uniform? You probably can, but no,
I think you wear like cat slacks, khakis. That sucks. Female tennis players look really sexy
and pornographic, but female golfers look like lesbians. Yeah, I usually. It's not really my cup
of tea, which is weird because it's such a low impact kind of sport. You think you could retain
a nice kind of form. Yeah. You know, you wouldn't bulk up or anything like. Yeah. And you get to
bend over and like do a little pole dance for like, yeah. Yeah. Have you ever played golf?
No, my dad plays golf, but he's left-handed. So I can't use his clubs. Oh, okay.
Okay. So we don't get to, I'm not gonna. The real genius of the family.
But my dad enjoys it. I've never. That's cute. Really taken to it. I think it's pretty boring.
Is he good? He's probably pretty good. That's cool. I've never heard of a Russian guy playing golf.
Well, he's just into sport in general. Yeah. You know, I think he as a, you know, former
uh, aspiring Olympic athlete holds himself to a very high standard. So I bet he wouldn't say that he's
good at golf, but he's probably reasonably good. Yeah, I'm sure. You know.
Well, we should have him on. Yeah. I'd love to. We should have,
at least we should have your dad on. We should have my mom on. Not at the same time.
For the holidays.
Yeah, that would be, my, my mom, uh, DM'd me and was like,
Your mom DM'd you? Yeah, on Instagram. Yeah, that's what she literally, yeah. No, seriously.
She's like, she treats me like she's a fan and not my mother. She's so autistic and she,
she DM'd me to condemn the fact that I was wearing latex pants in that photo shoot.
Like that was literally, you have to speak out. You looked good in those
but it was like a weird thing to DM your daughter though in the middle of like a COVID crisis.
Like reply guy. Yeah. It was, it had a really reply guy kind of vibe. Yeah, that's, that's weird.
It was like, it was very smile, honey. But that's, that's how it be in, in the, the
Rainberg Cauchy on household Warner Brothers. Should we talk about that? Maybe you have something
to say about this because I, because I'm in the entertainment here in the entertainment industry.
And I, yeah, Warner Brothers is going to release all of their like prospective 2021 releases on
HBO Max. Yeah. As well as in theaters, whatever that means, basically on HBO Max.
And there's, I've had some varied conversations. Some people think it'll be good. It'll kind of
flatten, it'll both oversaturate and kind of flatten the market. So things that
kind of organically garner attention will sort of rise to the top.
I think it's really a response to like tenet attempting to do a theatrical release and bombing
really badly post COVID. So they're just kind of trying to salvage everything that they've sunk
money into already. Well, why did they bomb? Because people can't go to the movies. Yeah.
Was it a technical like circumstantial thing or did the movie suck? I mean, both probably.
And just people weren't excited about it. People weren't willing to sit in a movie theater.
Yeah. I understand why that. To see tenet, you know, it was a very kind of nothing burger movie.
Other people sort of take the news, the Warner Brothers news is like a harbinger of the real
death of like movie theaters. But to me, it doesn't feel like
repertory theaters are in any, are in that much worse of a position than they were before COVID.
I think it's already been kind of on the decline. Yeah. And I don't think, I think cinema as an
art form will endure. And it has to. What happens with like Warner Brothers tentpole releases?
Yeah. Ultimately, won't matter that much. It's kind of like a quibi effect, I think, where
there's all this sort of insider information that's very kind of misinformed and confused about
the zeitgeist. And so they think that people want all their Warner Brothers releases all at once on
HBO Max, but really no one really wants to see the live action Tom and Jerry movie with
Grace Moretz. Yeah. Nobody wants to see a Warner Brothers movie. Exactly. People watch them out
of boredom. It's kind of like when you get Subway because there's no other restaurant chains around.
Exactly. If it's like, yeah, or it's like so hot, you just want to go sit inside a movie theater or
something. There's a new Lynn Miranda, manual Miranda musical in the Heights. How is he performing
it? It's a movie. It's a Warner Brothers release. It's along their slate. It's that the Janet Yellen
musical that Joe Biden was promising. There's Space Jam and New Legacy. Good God. Something called
Malignant. Godzilla vs. Kong, The Suicide Squad, Timothy, Chalamet's Dune, Kano Reeves' Matrix 4.
These movies sound like they suck. For sure. Like they could just put the original Matrix out.
Demand for that. Yeah, I think it'll just sort of over saturate the market and make nothing worth
seeing, which it already isn't. There's a new Dash Snow documentary out that we could probably watch
and review. That's a thought. Kano Reeves, he's like so old, he becomes like a victim of a fishing
email. What happens in the Matrix 4? I think Parker Posey is in it. Oh, that's cool. I don't
know. I might fuck around and scroll through some of those now that I pay for HBO Max to
watch the John Wilson show. But out of morbid despair and curiosity, out of actual desire
or enthusiasm. I don't see how that's a sustainable model at all for the kind of budgets that these
films have and what a company like Warner Brothers will do in lieu of a
lucrative tentpole theatrical cycle. Can you talk more about that? The budgets for these films are
extraordinarily high. Like astronomical. Yeah, like hundreds of millions of dollars.
And how much of that do they recoup from streaming? It's unclear, yeah. Because the thing with
streaming platforms is most of their money is allocated to production. They're not really in
the business of acquisition. I know this because I'm hoping to distribute my film in some fashion
early next year. And so like the Netflix's Amazon's Hooloos are not going to pay really for a movie
that someone's made and attempting to sell unless it has some kind of intriguing press cycle or
something because they would rather just kind of like ask to mouth produce and distribute their own
content. Yeah, a vertical integration. It also feels a little doomed because I think that's ultimately
not what people want kind of from cinema. Well, I think it's good to keep a distance between the
producers and the distributors. It shouldn't be one vertically integrated process. It's weird
because you lose critical distance. Yeah. Like all these things should be siloed. I don't know.
I mean, I don't know anything about this group. And yeah, maybe some of them will be more popular
than others, but it's all basically kind of the same like flavor of gruel.
Yeah, no, and it's really weird because all of these new streaming shows are now just like weird
and woke and totally like unappetizing. It's like, you know, like Childish Gambino presents
insecure, the musical like this kind of thing where it's like every black thing ever thrown into
I should probably stop talking about this because I got canceled or attempt canceled. You can't get
canceled if you if your heart is pure. Yeah. Yeah. If your mind is right, but it's like
they're just like I don't know who that's for because I can't I don't believe that like
anybody's interested in it except for maybe guilty white liberals who are like trying to
atone for who are probably make up a large audience of streaming services. Yeah. Actually,
like people who binge who are interested in like binging programming. Yeah, probably.
But also, yeah, I'll revise my revise my hypothesis.
I think it's interesting also because I think it'll conflate kind of television and
and movies. Yeah. Like they're they've kind of like TV shows have gotten more expensive
as movies have become less sustainable anyway. So now we're kind of seeing the
dovetailing of that. Yeah, but this is like all things. I don't think movies or TV will get
better. No, no way in hell. But this is like
all right. Like this is just like file this under things that were already bad that have
been merely accelerated by COVID. Yeah. Like, right? I mean, yeah. Also, what is is Tom and Jerry
the movie like a cartoon or one of those live animation? I think it's a mashup. I think it's
like a space jam style. It's that's the one that I saw on the list that I was like, what? Why would
that's why would anybody want a Tom and Jerry movie now? Who is that like literally like
like neurodivergent people are the only audience I can imagine wanting to see a Tom
and Jerry movie or like some pervert who likes like old timey cartoons. Yeah.
Not even this is like a show I haven't thought about since I was like five years old and used
to watch it. But they need to just make a new Pagadimu Carlson, Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson
actually Tucker kind of looks like Carlson. Yeah. Yeah. That's so cute. I always wonder if he likes
meatballs. No, but that's why I always had a favorable association with Tucker. It's not because
I even agree with his views or am a right linger but because he reminded me of this stupid Russian
cartoon. Yeah. Yeah. That's my why I have a chiburashka style feeling of affinity for Pepe.
Yeah. He is kind of he's the American chiburashka. Very cute. Like a little garbage animal.
They should make like a Pepe cartoon, not like a documentary. Oh my god. That's a really good
idea. Yeah. And I don't think I mean, I guess Matt Fury who designed Pepe, they made a talk about
him. Yeah. And I don't know if he retained the rights in any meaningful way, but that's is a
really good idea. Let's rob him. If anyone's out there, we could get Groyper, Pepe, Appu,
get the whole frog gang in the mix. It's like space jam. Fun for the whole family.
Yeah. No, seriously, it has massive appeal. Women love Pepe. That's the main demo that you need to
cater to these days. Women and Biden voters, which is like essentially the same thing.
Because men are all into gaming anyway. They're pretty checked out of
cinema, I think. And games are the new frontier as I understand it.
Oh, I don't know anything about gaming. Me neither.
Should we talk about the times op-ed? Yeah, real women don't game.
Real women. Unless they're hot and can make a lot of money on TikTok or whatever, twitch, twitch.
Then more power to them. There was an op-ed in The New York Times called The Children of
Pornhub, which is an article that comes out every four months, I want to say. Yeah.
Yeah. About the proliferation of online pornography and its sort of societal harms
as unwitting distributors of child pornography and rape videos.
Why are New York Times columnists so obsessed with porn? I mean, Nicholas Christoff here
gives us, he literally basically gives us the key words in search terms. Like eagerly.
The porn I saw in the course of researching this article, I talked to a young woman from
China with very new bile, I mean. Yeah. It was very like.
Pornhub recently was offering 26,000 videos in response to the search term young Asian.
That doesn't count videos that show up under related searches, including young tiny teen,
extra small petite teen, tiny Asian teen, or just young girl.
Thanks for doing the hard work for us and looking, investigating this.
He's like a genius because now if his computer ever gets seized and investigated, he can be like,
this is for that article I was writing. It was a long read.
It took me years, actually, to accumulate all the.
Remember that guy from the who got got nabbed for Kitty porn and he claimed he was making a
documentary or he was working on his memoir. Peter Townsend. Yeah. Yeah.
Plausible. But I mean, he's not wrong.
Pornhub is the worst part about Pornhub is, to me, they're kind of like
wholesome, woke brand, sex positive branding. Yeah. Is that they are kind of normalizing
pornography in this devious way while also hosting a, you know,
being as nefarious and depraved. Yeah, I have the capacity to be. Well, that's a scary thing.
And I don't think this is exclusive to porn companies, but it is brought into sharp relief
by porn companies. Like when you have a porn company that behaves like a normal company
and does all the like social justice and woke signaling and then actually condones and even
encourages totally criminal things. Well, they claim that they don't and that they have a
robust set of policies in place for policing this exact thing. Yeah, they're liars,
because nobody, there's no way anybody could be able to fact check that. Right.
But I feel like something like porn should be available, but not normalized. Yeah. The fact
that it's like setting aside the particular specific grievous offense of like children and
unconsenting women appearing on porn hub or on other porn sites, the sheer proliferation of porn
and its ubiquity and availability is like not good. Right. It's spiritually very dark. Well,
yeah. And not even because it's like morally bankrupt or sinful, but because it like is
desensitizing. Right. I'm not making an immoral argument, even here in ethical and which I'm
making an aesthetic one, basically. It is a sin goes without saying. Yeah. But ethically,
the whole model is based on exploitation, especially the ones that I mean, right, excluding
actual child and rape porn, the ones that are like sort of de jure illegal, but that really
disturbed me are kind of like the Thai Southeast Asian kind of tourists, amateur prostitute porn,
because it's like those are straight up slaves. Yeah. It's the global situation is just untenable
for any ethical production of pornography of that kind. And there's no way to like track these
women down and fact check that they are in fact consenting and like, well, even if they are consenting,
they live in such like you can disparate economic conditions that they're not, they can't meaningfully
consent because they are basically sex slaves. It's just like uninformed consent. Not as good
as informed consent, but it's okay. It's better than nothing. I love when he, he says term,
so while it's no longer possible to search on porn hub in English using terms like an English
that's doing a lot of heavy lifting to searching using terms like underage or rape, the company
hasn't tried hard to eliminate such videos. A member called 13 year old boy teen is allowed to
that sounds like somebody on our sub who is about how trans we look is allowed to post videos, a
search for rape with an asterisk turns up 1,901 videos girl with braces turns up 1,913 extra
small coming up with these terms. That's what I'm saying. They're very specific girl with braces.
I wouldn't think to. Yeah, I understand that the teen or something, but girl with braces is like
hyper specific. Anyway, well, Jenna Jameson is from Las Vegas went to the high school that I was
zoned to go to, but I went to like a magnet high school. A lot of porn stars are from Las Vegas.
Yeah, no surprise. But some Jenna Jameson lore that I was often told as a teen was that she
when she turned 18, she wanted to get a job as a stripper and she had braces and they told her
to go home. And she went home and plied her own braces off and came back. And I think that speaks
to not only the desperation of the sex industry, but also how mores have kind of changed. Yeah,
that's so sad. braces are very coveted. Yeah, like she shouldn't have done that because she would
have made way more money if she had kept the braces. But at the time, you know, when she was in
Bonanza High School and I mean, Jenna Jameson is pretty old. Sorry, what? Bonanza High School?
Bonanza High School.
The strip club is in Las Vegas or not. I think, you know, people's sexual proclivities have
become increasingly pedophilic and that they were not always that way. I think in the blade
80s, early 90s, yeah, it was more like even people would have found her braces probably off
putting. No, I mean, I think just like in general, it's not it's not even pornography. It's like
culture in general. Like if you look at like the actresses who are in a lot of like these like
Michael Douglas like most watchable films of the 90s, it's like Anna Archer and Kim Basinger,
who are very womanly. And now it's like, I guess we get like, by the way, why is Chloe Gracemore
it's famous? Just cycling back to that. She's not my fave. She's Chloe Grace, just Grace.
Yeah, I never liked her and I really didn't like her when she was in the Carrie remake.
Oh, yeah, that was very disrespectful to Sissy Spacek. Yeah, she could fill those
dainty ginger shoes who Sissy Spacek was like the original like
permateen, but she was like very cute and talented, incredible. Yeah, and like amazing to watch on
screen effortless. But yeah, you're right. I think like probably porn tastes have become more like
infantilized. I'm not like too worried about that because I think things cycle, and it'll just come
back. But like, and also people like all sorts of things like they like, you know, like BBWs and
milfs and whatever. Absolutely. But the yeah, teen porn has always been a thing. Maybe our culture
is becoming increasingly pedophilic. But I also feel like it's, it's, it's like it's sort of
displaced onto teens, but what really the real desire is for a kind of like, naivet or like
retardation. That's the kind of the case people make with like the okay boomer girl. Yeah, that men
find her attractive because she's like looks like she got like bonked on the head. Yeah, you want,
I think you want somebody who reads a sexual or mentally impaired, sexually capable, mentally
impaired. Exactly. A nimbo who's got no thoughts except well, like, I don't know, this is a horrible
cynical, unflattering thought. But the the real thing is you want to come as close to no consent
as possible or inability to consent. That's kind of like the I that's very, I think,
astute, but not completely true. Maybe no, but you want to simulate like, I think like a lot of
like sex play or whatever. I'm sorry to use that term. I don't mean to but power differentials are
hot. Yeah, not about consent as much as it's about power differentials, which seduction is all about
power as is sex kind of eroticism, whatever you however you want to frame it. Yeah, I have to
think about this more but saying there's like a kind of thing there that's hard to
legislate and regulate in general. So like porn companies are like a special case. But there's
like, you know, he gives him scary statistics like apparently this website attracts 3.5 billion
visits a month, much more than Netflix, Yahoo or Amazon. I mean, its content is more riveting
and you watch it for a shorter duration of time. It rakes in money from three billion ad
impressions. One ranking lists porn hub is the 10th most visited website in the world.
The porn hub and its parent company Mind Geek. I see what they did there too, by making it sound
as like a sexual and gender neutral and technocratic as possible. But this is like the parent company
that like the umbrella of all these porn companies. The empire. The empire. Also stand out because
of their influence one study this year by a digital marketing company concluded that porn hub was
the technology company with the third greatest impact on society in the 21st century after
Facebook and Google, but ahead of Microsoft, Apple and Amazon. I mean, define impact on society.
But yeah, sure. Define one study. Yeah. Define study. But it's true that it's probably very
and it wouldn't call I actually wouldn't call porn hub an influencer, but just the yeah,
the availability and access of online pornography in general sure has yielded tremendous influence.
Yeah, but he I mean, he talks about like a 15 year old girl who went missing in Florida and
her mother found her on in 58 sex videos posted on porn hub about a 14 year old girl who was
sexually assaulted and it was posted on porn hub and was reported not by the company,
but by a classmate who saw the videos. In each case, he talks about how the offenders were arrested
for the assault, but porn hub escaped responsibility for sharing the videos and profiting from them.
And this rubs up against this whole section 230 discourse. But I mean, yeah, these are especially
grievous offenses because they involve like the abuse and exploitation of minors. But I think
this is like business as usual for tech companies. Like they are in the business of making individuals
both on the contractor side and on the client or user side take on all the responsibility. I mean,
we know this firsthand now, right? After waiting through. Yeah, they shot to be liable. I mean,
some if not the if not the platform, then who will be held responsible? Yeah, for allowing these
things to persist. And they can always kind of hide behind their size and their opacity and say,
well, we can't, we don't have the ability to moderate every single thing that passes through
our hands. It's like a free speech uncensored platform. He also talks about moderators,
which is like the worst possible job I can think of. Yeah, short of tie processing, podcasters,
what? Right. Yeah, they outsource that labor to like Indian precarity laborers as an in India,
who have to watch like gruesome violent like animals getting stomped and children getting
raped. Yeah, and flag it. It's like literally allowed to take bathroom break. Yeah, they're
like, Oh, you have to go through 24,000 pieces of data in a work day. Yeah, from monitoring the
access of these sites. And he Christoph talked to somebody who works as a moderator at Pornhub,
and he put placed it at around 80 moderators compared to 15,000 that Facebook employees. So
there's very few people doing this job at Pornhub, which on one hand is a bad thing because most
more content probably it's more work for them and more content presumably slips through the cracks,
but also like the fact that people are employed as moderators sucks. They're like digital slaughter
house employees. It's like the worst like imagine that job. I mean, when you think of how desensitize
the average person must be from just sort of recreationally casually consuming pornography.
Yeah, versus someone whose job it is to literally watch it eight hours a day, probably more. I don't
even know. Yeah, it's like, terrible. Yeah, there's many evil layers to porn pornography industry.
I watched like a week ago, I was like watching I was looking at Riley Reed's merch actually,
who doesn't have merch, which I'm going to Google this, it's whatever she's she has like her own
flashlight. She's obviously a true star of the industry and has like done very well for herself.
But then I ended up watching this like Q&A that she did on YouTube, where her fans asked her
questions. And it was actually, I think Riley Reed seems very sweet, by the way, she seems like a
great girl. Is this the redhead that? No, she's a brunette who has the Chinese character tattoo
down her spine. And she's very like bubbly. She smiles a lot in her work as an actress.
But she, yeah, she made this Q&A video where she was talking about how her family disowned
her and no one wants to date her. Because she does porn. Yeah, she was like very candidly and
earnestly kind of and not in like a victimized way, just very like, frankly, sort of describing how
lonely she is, even though she's like, arguably one of the most successful porn stars routinely,
probably one of the top ranked. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure like I understand why nobody would want to
date a porn star, which is not a referendum on that person. But I get like the baggage that it
comes in. I mean, it was really sad. She described sort of a cycle that she would have in her romantic
relationships where she would start dating someone and they would kind of very quickly be like,
I'm going to be the one that gets you to quit porn. I can fix her. Yeah. And that's never a
sacrifice that she wanted to make because she is quite good at what she does. And yeah, you know,
she said she never wanted to have kids because she foresaw them being like, you know, ridiculed.
You know, it was very, it was like the, even for like the point 1% of porn performers, I think
it's still really bleak. Yeah, I mean, again, this is not like a value judgment. And I'm sure
other people, other people, certain people have different opinions like on it. But I don't think
like sex work is a positive job. Like on the whole, I will die in that hell. I wonder when
they're going to approach us to do our flashlights. Mine is just like an open can of cranberry sauce.
You can microwave it. Oh my God, Anna. She's very cute. I really like her Chinese characters,
and I usually hate tattoos. She's adorable, and she does seem relatively well adjusted, but that
she probably does live with a lot of regret and loneliness even so. Yeah, I mean, there was that
documentary about porn performers that were like, you know, a lot of the women ended up like
having drug overdoses or committing suicide or dying under like weird mysterious circumstances.
And the men were just like playing golf in Hawaiian shirts. Yeah. I mean, there's always
there is like a porn documentary that comes out every year. So that's very salacious and kind
of fear mongering, but not, you know, wrong. The same way that there's like a New York Times
op-ed writer takes it upon himself to dig really deep into investigative reporting. He really
rolled those sleeves up. Like actually, yeah, really coated his hand.
Where the rubber meets the road, daddy's working.
Sent his kids to like hockey practice. So wait, there's none of that. It's like the old COVID
times. So part of the reason why porn hub is not responsible for any of the heinous content
on their platform is because of section 230. Yes. Which Trump said he would veto a defense bill
that's currently in the house or the Senate, one of them, unless section 230 is repealed.
Yeah. He's threatened this before. I think we've touched on this on the podcast before and then
people yelled at us and called us retarded, me especially, but
when YouTube like deep platforms, their personalities, yeah, section is often invoked.
Yes. Yes. I don't know. I don't know enough about the section. It basically prevents
tech platforms from being liable for content posted by users. Yes. So porn hub is not liable for
hosting like kitty porn or bestiality videos, which as a law makes sense on some level when
you're dealing with such a huge volume of stuff. I mean, not in the specific porn context necessarily,
but the idea is that the platform will act and it's to maximum capacity and good faith to
moderate and remove this sort of content. Right. It doesn't just get to like check out and let it
lay there, but just through sheer practical, uh, like, I guess I don't know, scale, volume,
they don't do anything. And also they don't care really at the end of the day. Right.
I mean, that's like, because it's not a liability for that. It's not a liability. And if it was,
they would care, but the conservative kind of argument that Trump seems to be rallying is
that because of this kind of like operation in good faith, these tech platforms all of Twitter
end up censoring someone like Trump's tweets. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they, so they're allowed to act
as content moderators, but they effectively act as sensors. This is like, I was reading
about this like moments before you got here. This is like, um, kind of Josh Holly's pet project.
I don't know anything about him. I know that he's kind of like a tech warrior or anti tech warrior.
So I'm going to look into this more because it's something that I'm personally interested in.
But basically, um, I was reading an article that the, um, the, the section itself says that no
provider provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or
speaker of any information provided by another information content provider. So in other words,
online intermediaries that host or republish speech are protected against a range of laws
that might otherwise be used to hold them legally responsible for, for what others say and do.
Mm hmm. And the kind of conservatives are arguing that basically they are acting as
publishers when they moderate content to such a degree that it is effectively censored.
Okay. But wouldn't making them liable cause them to be more censorious?
Wait, like if they were liable for everything that happened on, yeah, they would, then they
would, they would fully censor. No, but they're arguing that in order for them to continue
receiving immunity under section 230, that they would have to be, um, more cognizant of, uh,
the level in nature of moderation that they do. So they would have to act in good faith. This is
like a thought. I mean, this is like a multi-pronged argument that we're too retarded to figure out
at this moment on the show. We're not going to crack this case today, folks. Yeah. But in the
case of porn hub and other porn sites, three quarters of which are owned by the porn hub
parent company, this, that's crazy. Yeah. I mean, there's essentially a monopoly on it and that
they don't have any liability for anything that really happens on it. Yeah. I mean, that's the
bigger issue. When the platform drives demand, not that there wouldn't be child pornography
or snuff films if there wasn't a porn hub, but having it, the accessibility clearly also drives
the demand. Yeah. And I'm of the opinion that as people become desensitized to porn, they do
seek out more extreme pornography. Possibly. That's a good point because I mean, Kristoff makes
this point that like, well, you know, I'm for limiting and regulating the kind of stuff that's
available on porn hub, but if you, but if porn hub didn't exist, then this stuff would
live in a black market, but like it already does. Yeah. That's where pornography ought to be.
Don't you think? In a black, well, I, but then he makes the case that it's like,
it's black market, not regulatable. But yeah, I mean, it's like a complex issue.
Yeah. It's, yeah, I understand that it's complicated, but I feel like if porn was
less accessible and more, there was more liability for pornographic platforms,
that that would be sort of a net positive because people would have to
really want to see those stuff films and see, yeah, they'd have to go out of their way.
They'd have to like have a boyfriend to torrent them or something.
Or go to some seedy sex store. Yeah. The way they used to in the good old days.
Yeah. Make New York great again. In the 1970s.
Yeah. But I mean, yeah, I guess I am a little bit of that boomer mentality that all of that
stuff was kind of better, even if it was just as disgusting, it was kind of scaled down and niche.
Yeah. And it's unavoidable.
Well, yeah, that's the thing. It's unavoidable that,
but we shouldn't make it easier. Yeah. Yeah. It's a distribute and obtain
violent pornography. Yeah. My feeling about it is this, it's like, it is a sad reality of
life on this green New Deal earth that horrible things like this will happen that like
um, children will be molested in porn films and women will be non consensually assaulted
in porn films, whatever. But like at the bigger issue is I think combating the
unprecedented level of like monopoly power that these tech firms have because and holding them
accountable and breaking up a lot of their opaque bureaucratic back end, because I think that that
will go a long way in solving these specific issues. Yeah. And just also big galaxy brain
picture, just addressing sort of inequality and wealth disparity will make people less
vulnerable to being victimized by producers of degrading and violent porn.
It'll make them less horny. It might make them more horny, but
it was really, I'm like usually kind of, I don't know, it feels like in Japan, their
horniness is the charts off the charts and bizarre and like takes, has all sorts of like
flavors that we're not aware of here in the West, but it's also like very contained in their heads
space. Hentai. Yeah. They're just jacking off to cartoons. That's not hurting anybody.
Yeah, they're just jacking off to a cartoon of AOC stomping all over a bunch of conservative figures.
Yeah. And I'm sure the Japanese sex industry has its own whatever niche problems, but it does seem
like a much healthier, compartmentalized way of dealing with Riley Reed calls it the adult
industry, which I think is funny. That's cute. The adult industry.
Do you have any, do you have anything else to say about?
God, I did, but I forgot. I'm all tapped out. I felt really sad about all the girls that he
talked to in the, uh, in the article who like attempted suicide. Yeah. That's like a really
horrible thing to have to happen to you for sure. I guess my like gay and sentimental parting words
would be like, uh, you know, like you probably think it's your fault and the first step to
not thinking it's your fault is to admit that it's your fault.
Is to blame your mom and dad because it's all there. It's probably their fault actually,
unironically, um, but it's just in holding that thought intellectually in your head before you
existentially come around to it. Well sad. Yeah. That's all I have. Okay. I'm going to go make some
stuff more in my, in my depressing gray abject Soviet apartment. Yeah, this is really, this
looks like the kind of, the kind of place you'd see a, a no, no video. Yeah. Now, now that I know
that, um, you know, merch is on the table. Why not, you know, but expand into yet another
lucrative industry. I will, we'll see you now.