Red Scare - Fashion Week w/ Paul Cupo

Episode Date: September 14, 2022

Paul Cupo returns to talk NYFW. Subscribe to Paul's new show Act Bad!

Hello, I need to find a little cover, oh here we go. This is like a sun damage, yes I think so, I can't figure out why I'm so shiny, what does that indicate, health. I love this little office, what was this room before, Leo's room, oh yeah it's Leo's bedroom, we like cleaned it up, it looks great in here, I know it's all looks like filth shit now but, oh get some of the stuff out of there, um we're back, we're back, are we recording, have we been, I started, I started, oh actually Paul talk in here Mike, hello, hello, hi, you're so noisy, I have to turn you down a little bit, oh man is she loud, but it's on me as

the sound engineer to adjust the levels you know, we're back, we're back, we have a special guest, it's me, friend of the pod, Paul Coupo, hello, host of actbad, actbad, patreon.com slash actbad, host of actbad podcast and not really podcast, I'm so excited to be here, thank you, we're happy to have you, welcome back, I'm so excited to see you, yeah I haven't seen you in ages and Paul brought a weird sun damage mirror that shows you how you look when you don't use sunscreen, who is the anti sunscreen here, I mean me, Anna, I'm not, your skin is so beautiful and, it's like really not, but it's, it's better now because guess what, guess why, because I started using sunscreen, because I got back on the

track and then my dermatologist was like you have to use sunscreen, but I only use the mineral kind, not the chemical kind, so it gives you like a white cast, I'm like one of those Asian women with a parasol, but that's nice, yeah, that's a nice amount, I use like a zinc oxide sometimes, which is like a white like actual paste, and you wear sunscreen all the time, yeah, yeah, well your skin's amazing, I wear sunscreen all the time, yeah you have beautiful skin, Paul, also when we were in Vegas, seeing Morrissey and visiting Dasha's parents, I got this like bizarre like suntan rash on my belly button that looks like Satan came on it, it like, it's like a cum stain rash and I think it's from not

using sunscreen, or it's from the hotels in Vegas, the beds, yeah, could be, possibly, it was really weird and random, so now I'm sunscreen-pilled, I didn't wear sunscreen once in Croatia, and you were fine, and I did not get burned, or anything, I got a great, you look a little golden actually, I'm tan, you look good, I'm like I've got a good bronze going, how was Croatia, it was really nice, it really delivered, but I do think that obviously if you don't wear sunscreen, just like you age much worse, so when you're like 60 or 70, you look much worse than you could look, but if you want to get some color, I mean we're like now competing with like TikTok kids, and like now kids are like 16,

and they're like getting both dogs, like wearing tons of sunscreen, doing like crazy skincare routines, like now we have to compete with like kids, have you seen Kyle Rittenhouse's girlfriend, no, no, is she hot, she's, yeah, she looks much, much older than she is, she's got like lash extensions, she's doing a full face, she's like a total bimbo, like his age I think. Well that's those conservative women, they like to look like news anchors slash total whores, but he's, there's, I'll send you guys some of this, it's very like Sutton from Beverly Hills, it's like a lot of like fine lines everywhere, and like a refrigerator shaped

body with tiny toothpick legs, the Kesha, we'll call it the Kesha, the Kesha exactly, I love Sutton because her approach to fashion is the same as Russian pop diva, who's my avi, like she's like heavy in the middle, so she likes to wear like a couture garbage bag, like frock from like Dolce, yeah, yeah, and then like accentuate her legs, and that look doesn't work as well as they think it does. Do you remember her first season when she wouldn't try clothes on at Dolce Gabbana, she was so crying because she was so embarrassed, poor thing, she has deep, deep issues, but I don't think we're ever going to start scratch the surface of, no, no, probably not the best,

yeah, because she always gets sidelined for like, I don't know, being awkward, but it's like, no, let's, let's like stop sidelining her and let's get to like the real like dark, deep South, let's do an intervention, put her in the hot seat, I like Sutton because she reminds me of like, certain female friends of ours, like she's a very familiar type of like a girl who gets like drunk and abusive, and is kind of like, then like walks it back and is like BPD, it's like, I didn't mean to say you were a colored person, I meant you were a person of color, that is not okay, I'm, I'm sick of Ella Emhoff, and I think Kyle Rittenhouse should take her place in the shows, he needs to walk.

We need to get Kyle right now, if we really want to be body positive. So she's that chubby husky boy. She walked, who did she walk? She walked. Um, she was. Parable, Garam, which is a brand I've never heard. It's a brand that's been around. One of many brands I have in her house.

And it's like very like, he's like one of those like, he's like, there was like a weird like Asian boom, and he was part of that. Okay. Um, he's like South East Asian. And he's good. He's like a good designer. He's like, he seems like he's classically trained and he sort of knows what he's doing. But I read his review and it said that he was casting based on like personalities, which

came back and bit him in the ass because Emma was in it top Emma Ella Ella Ella Ella. What's her last name? Emhoff. Ella Emhoff was in the show. Yeah. Topless. Ugly tits. And now she's not, now she's not in it.

She's not even on runway.com anymore. Why not? What? Yeah. That picture was taken down. That was too much of a pro row statement. I saw, I saw the peg. You sent it to us.

He's saying it's gone. I saw it on Vogue. It was, it was gone when I looked a little while ago, which you see today. I think I didn't see it either when I was flipping through the shows on Vogue.ru. But that's what happens when you cast personalities. Like then it becomes this controversy about that. And then whoever like, you are people or maybe, maybe someone from the White House like picture taken down.

True. Kamala Harris got on that horn. Yeah. That's why you don't have personalities in a show. Yeah. If you can't stick, if you can't stick with it and keep the actual pictures up. Yeah. I know.

But. I mean, I, I wrote, styled badly, which was a diplomatic way of me saying all the models were fugly, but I noticed. At Proball. I mean, also you cast personalities when your show has no personality and the fashion is like whack. I mean, it's like Proball and Proenza are like similar because they're, they're like literally fine.

They don't even have the distinction of being like hideously bad. You know what I'm saying? Like they're very dependable. Like Proenza to me is clothing Bethany Frankel gets on clearance at Sacks Office. It's like that look and it doesn't translate in real life. I mean, they're fine. I'm looking at back. They're fine.

Yeah. We need to walk that one back. This is really long nipples. Okay. Her nipples are quirky and unusual. Just like her. Did she listen? Oh my God.

I just, she, well, okay. Should I just not blind item? I like to see microaggression story. Please. Yeah. But I, I just want to say first off, I just like to, I like to see a great pair of tits. I would love to see a pair of tits. Me too.

Me too. It would, it's so nice to see a great pair of tits. I liked Caroline Polychex tits at a puppets and puppets with like the perfect little B stung A cup, which I'm like totally envious of with like beautiful little Claire's accessories like butterflies, like those clips girls used to wear in high school. And I have to say her tits are better than her music. No offense. I know it's a hot take.

I know my fave. I mean, it's smart. The girls, the tea is piping hot tonight. Please blow on it a little bit before I have, I have had bunny as a rider stuck in my head for the past week. So maybe I'm just like, I'm a bunny in the rider. I'm just like in blooming deals. Anyway, so I was at an M and Z fitting like yesterday and Ella M. Hoff and her twink boyfriend

walked in and I was like, I know that that ass from anywhere. And I was like trying on handbags and stuff. And she like did a weird matrix move where she like swooped from one end of the room to the other at the studio and snatched up the bag that I was going to take. And it disappeared. Oh, yeah. And I was like, Hey, now, I mean, she definitely knows exactly who you are. And she definitely wants.

No, I don't think it was purposeful. And I don't think she knew. I don't think she knew the bag was like on my list, but it's fine, Ella. We love her. You can have the bag. It was it was a fitting. So yeah, because we were, I was like in the show, yeah, I didn't walk in the show, but I went to the show.

Oh, cute. So they dress everybody. And no, in the bag was like an iridescent pale beige version of the Julian bag that we are now proud owners of Paul. We got the bag. Iridescent. Julian bag. What's the Julian bag?

It's that bag that you love. Last time you were here, we spoke about it. The one that's like, and then I, and then I could never, I was trying to look for one myself. I just got one on Essence. But yeah, I got it from my Croatian friend. Croatia trip. Perfect travel bag because the many compartments you get your sunglasses, passport, you get

wallet, like you get, it's hard for a pickpocket, but you're a debt, you're a decent. Yeah. It was like a pale beige, iridescent leather, really beautiful. That sounds great. I would have snatched it up. I would have, I would have done the same thing. Wait, that's the designer of the bag. It's an MNZ.

Yeah. I have like a hundred notes about fashion and we're going to talk about fashion shows. I know nothing about fashion. Yeah. It's just me with anything. I don't even know who most of these, most of these, I have a passion for fashion. But speaking of puppets and puppets, I had to like ask people like who the hell they were.

And apparently they were their ex Dover Street employees. Where? At puppets and puppets. At puppets. The designers of puppets and puppets are ex Dover employees. I thought it was that girl, Carly Mark. Who used to be an artist and is now a designer. She probably also was a Dover Street employee.

Yeah. I mean Dover Street, at least Dover Street, I don't want to touch it on Dover Street because like I'm glad that like there's some retail. Like there's so little retail that I find myself like missing Barney's. Even if it's just like go shop. I always miss Barney's. I mean, I go to Bloomy's Uptown. Oh, is it nice?

I haven't been to Bloomy's Uptown in a long time. It's fine. It's better than. It's nice to get lost in. And it's better than the Soho one in terms of like, I'm going to go there tomorrow because I need to shop for a wedding. Yeah. So I'm like, that's the kind of place where I would go.

You would go to a Barney's, but no longer and that's. Natasha, what are you thinking for your wedding look? I think I have. I'm wearing like a slip dress with like another slip under me. But then there's that casino night and I kind of want to get something fun for that. RIP, by the way, your Atlantic City Casino birthday that was derailed because of COVID. I know. I know.

We should just, we should do it. Knife in my heart. I should. I'm going to do it. I'm going to have to do something big because I have a big number coming out. Well, you're 30. Oh, 30. Crazy.

This year's a big number. I need to do something. Yeah. It's going to be so crazy. You turn 30 years old. I'm not going to be pregnant and or breastfeeding. So it's good for me. You could be out of purely out of self-interest.

It's still like months away. So you could be. Knock on my head. Yeah. I was going to ask you where you guys shopped, but let's talk about that later. Yeah. I wrote nothing special. Project runway core.

What? Puppets? Yeah. It was like very discombobulated. Didn't have like a single theme or vision. Yeah. Single thread running through it. It looked like the sales floor of a department store.

Yeah. Well, you know what it is. Project runway. It looked like a bunch of people doing an interesting look. It's if fashion was designed by artists. Well, that's, that's. I'm not saying good artists. I'm just saying artists.

Better than it is. It looks like if fashion was designed by sales associates and buyers. By Dover Street employees. Let's talk about a show I liked. Okay. Kate. I think you say Kate. Hi, hi, hi.

Hi, hi. Hi, hi, hi. Yes. I liked that show. I thought that everything. What did you like? I thought that everything would look really good on you. You know, I was looking at the show and I had the same thought.

Really? And then I, and then I did some research and the show was inspired by. Wild at heart. Lesbians. Inspired by Red scare. So I'm kind of sold because at least there was like some sort of. Inspiration that was like felt in the collection without it being too. Referential, you know.

Yeah. It was like very slick. And compared to like all of the trash. Styling we see. That felt at least slick. Directional. As we like to say. I think, yeah, I had its nice points.

I like anything that's basically like minimalistic and androgynous. But I have a bone to pick with Kate kite. Kite spade New York. It's so expensive for what it is. Like if you've ever gone to like burgdor for bloomies or sacks and actually touch the stuff, it's like knit body. Condresses and like oversized poplin. That's sort of the row with a dash of San Laurent cause they'll throw some like

glitter or rhinestones in. The Rex and the knit. But yeah. And like if at that price point, if I was going to spend money at that level, which I'm not saying I would, I would just get the row. And there's another brand that I like more than Kate called totem. Yeah. I wore a totem dress to Sophie's wedding.

Oh yeah. I remember the T dress. Yes. Exactly. That dress is seared in my mind. It's a beautiful dress. It's a lovely dress. Yeah.

It's like a crinkled silk, it comes in a knot that looks like Armenian string cheese and then you unwrap it and it's like a crinkled silk bronze age mindset, Greek Toga. But they do a good job with that minimal styling dignified neutrals thing. I like that dignified neutrals. Yeah. When I was doing my research on what the brand was, I was trying to find YouTube videos of someone saying the name. Yeah.

But has anyone said it? The only people that said it were like foreigners that had like accents. Yeah. It would be like Malaysian women like doing like a haul and she like says it and she says it like Kate. Yeah. But and they kept referring to it as like investment pieces. So I was like, oh, this price point must be insane.

It's a price point. Woo. It's true and same for what it is because it's like elevated basics. It belongs to that same genre as the row and totem. It's like that. Right. So it wasn't designed by a former child star. So not interested.

Yeah. Kate was one of my favorite shows. Yeah. I was surprised how I found it to be kind of classy and strong. Yeah. I thought the silhouettes were, I wrote redeeming. Like the, it was the way everything was pulled together. It was very nice.

This look. I love that. For me, I was like, this is great. It was very Dasha. Oh, this is very Anna. And then when I got to that, I said, and that's Dasha. And that's Dasha. Yeah.

So people could know. I don't know. It's just, it's, I just. What is that? It looks like something like you would wear under like armor. It's like, so people, if people at home want to go on a boat runway and look at it, it's like a neutral, like a riding pant almost with like, I believe a stirrup even with like silver shoes and then like a tool kind of ruched top to treat, treat Dasha.

Yeah. This I thought was fantastic. Yeah. But like this, I don't love the snake skin trench, which is like two. It was a lot of. Yeah. And then, and then this, which is just like rock sheep. I hated that skirt because it would looks like, like the skirt whenever like Jeremy

Scott does like a biker collection. There's always that skirt with that thick front metal zipper. Yeah. I don't love the trenches and I don't love the bag. You know what? I guess my issue with them is that this is clothing that is probably consumed by older women with not so great bodies. So to see young, beautiful models wearing it feels a little uncanny because it's like

for Kris Jenner or something. It's what you wear when you want to look youthful as an older woman. I mean, I thought that about like this, a brand I'd never heard of, but I looked at it called Veronica Beard. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. She's everywhere. Like this is St. John's like St. John's and Taylor.

I love St. John's. I also think she should lose her last name. I think a fashion company just called like Veronica. Beard. Beard. Clothing for your beard. Well, I had that. Speaking of clothing for your beard, I thought Badgerly Mishka was ultimate clothing for

your beard. Yeah. It was like gay guys. Yeah. They used to dress share. Yeah. I said classically old school, which in the past would be boring, but now it's really refreshing.

Exactly. Yeah. But it is like a gay man. Yeah. Is my husband. Yeah. Like Bob Mackie or like the designer, like Nolan Miller. Nolan Miller was the designer that did all the.

Halston. Halston. He did all the designs for like dynasty. Yeah. It's giving aides, not monkey pox. Yeah. No, I love that now because it feels. The stakes are high.

It feels so refreshing. As you said, it's so much better than like the Eckhaus Lada, Kalina Strada aesthetic of literal like macaroni noodles glued to construction paper and art class, which is like personally not my fave, you know? And I think those brands, they really do tap into this primitive childlike part of your brain where you see all like the funky colors and prints and you're like, ooh. And it makes me. Oh my God.

I felt that more about Kalina Strada. I thought that everything looked like trash and it looked like it was thrown together. And I thought that any like redeemable pattern making was completely sidelined by like hideous prints. Yeah. And embellishments. Yeah. And it like, it's always, it's like the kind of literal detritus that you see on the street

at Undyne Square, like at five in the morning when everyone's gone home, you know? You guys are making me feel like a fucking retard right now because. Why? That was your favorite show? I wrote inspired exclamation point whimsical exclamation point fresh. But it does have that. I don't think. I thought it was like, oh, like compared to Eckhaus Lada, which has been doing that for

so long. Yeah. The Kalina Strada show to me because I do kind of lump them together in my mind when I actually looked at the pieces. I kind of was like, oh, these are doing something a little different. I think that Eckhaus could benefit from maybe. And all of these people, like I know everyone, you know what I mean? Like all these people are actually friends too.

So you, you have licensed to trash them fully on this podcast. But I think that Eckhaus, what they, I think that they can do something different than a traditional runway show and that they should embrace that a little bit more. Cause I feel like all those shows just feel like very the same. Like the outdoor pit. The mud hole in the ground. Yeah. The long house.

It makes like a video. Like what does that look like? Like we never see that. I literally wrote consistent wearable accessible, which I don't really mean in a good way. Like that whole aesthetic has become so accessible. We can all afford Eckhaus. Then it doesn't go to urban outfit. It doesn't matter.

It doesn't scream about it. Yeah. I will say just, just to say something nice. Eckhaus does one thing really well, which is the velvet burnout prints. They do a lot of things. They're good. And the jeans. They do nice nits.

The jeans are really good. The knitwear is really good. The jeans are good. Yeah. I like the optical illusion. I think you have like the top black and white. That's a cool one. Okay.

Let's talk about something I liked. I liked Baragon. I didn't see Baragon, but I generally like Baragon. Oh, okay. Hold on. You know why I liked it? Yeah. I liked it because as I look at every show for every season, I'm always like, wow.

Everything is such trash, you know, and like they actually put trash on the runway, which I thought was funny. And then once I realized that all the models were white, then I was like, oh, okay, like I didn't, I didn't clock that at first. Like coming from a Mexican designer, having only white models and they all like have like meth head teeth. Yeah. There was a shirt that said meth in the meth.

It was lots. There was a white tears belt buckle on the Mountain Dew font. There was a meth. The meth shirt and the meth and the meth shirt and the meth logo with the twin towers. And then it said on the bottom, like, I don't want to, like something like the biggest crime in New York is being poor or something. This. That was my favorite piece of the week.

The spelt buckle. That says homophobe. Yeah. I shrieked. I want it. I, okay. Baragon. It had clever.

For me, it was like, there were clever little moments that made me kind of smile, which is a lot to say for a fashion show. But overall, it was, it was giving like Zoolander derelict. You know, I was like, Balenciaga has already done the bum thing. Well, I just, to me, it was a little like we get it. America is a twisted place. And what if we culture jam? Ooh, what if we did American flag and like, what if we did an, it definitely wasn't serious

election, but the presentation, nothing that we would actually wear except for maybe you, Paul, but the presentation was interesting and fresh and maybe like a direction that a house a lot of should consider moving in. And also on that note, why are there two VAT months? There's like VAT months with the vowels and VAT months without the vowels. I don't, I don't think there's VAT months with the vowels anymore. No, there was. I looked on, I swear to God, on Vogue, yeah, yeah, there's two collections.

For this season. Yeah. And Tommy now is Tommy Hilfiger. Tommy now is Tommy Hilfiger, but it's like, that's a direct to concede. Tommy Hilfiger. Because all the website you sent us, by the way, door 11 is a great site for producing the war whole brought all different people together from art, fashion, music, entertainment. It's very much what I'm doing.

Tommy Hilfiger. Tommy Hilfiger compared himself to Warhol. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I got it. I see it. He's Tommy now. It looked like Tommy now looked like Fenty.

Remember the Fenty Puma collection from a few years ago? It looked like that. You guys, I loved Tommy now. I didn't think it was bad. What's Tommy now? This was one I really like. Yeah. I didn't think Tommy now is bad.

Wait, was that this, this, it was this season, but they did a fall show. Okay. Well, it was a see now buy now show. Okay. So, great. Those should be like available like now to, well, I'm going to run to Tommy Hilfiger because it's giving Hogwarts. I was like, my eyes are like rolling back in the head.

I was loving it so much. I was like, I didn't like finally the T H like logo print. I can live with it. It looks to me that this is the one that like Hari Neff walked in in like the polo one. Yeah. She looks dang too. She looks bad. I didn't skinny.

Yeah. She did. She did a stink walk. It was good. Yeah, but no, I'm sorry. I hate that collection. The best part about it was that it rained on all those hose and people were like hunched over and ponchos while like Hari Neff was like slaying on the catwalk.

That's but I, I love fashion on multiple levels like a, I have a literal and ironic passion for fashion, but B, I love how it's always a comedy of errors and something collapses and like falls on somebody's head or like a model slips or people are forced to sit in the rain. Yeah. Well, something that I wanted to talk about. I guess we should talk about Elena Velez, which is the only show I went to because Elena very sweetly said that she would make me something again, hadn't heard of her before, went on

her website, saw like a gorgeous linen nightie. I was like, I'm done. Don't make me anything. Just get me one of those nighties. I'm there. Have her make you something though. Yeah. I mean, eventually I might, but she's fantastic.

So I go to her studio. She's breastfeeding. Yeah. She's gorgeous. She's like, how old is she? She's like 26 years old. Yeah. Wait, really?

No. She has two beautiful kids. She's less than 26 years old. Oh, she's like 24. Okay. So she, I used to. She's a baby. She's a gorgeous like pre-pandemic.

She's a hot baby breastfeeding. Two other hot babies. I used to be like, I used to go to Parsons. No, Parsons or Parsons. Yeah. And I was like, I would do the critique classes for all the students. Oh, really? In the beginning of the semester, the middle of the semester, then the end of the semester.

All I want you to be my teacher. And she was one of the students. Oh, yeah. And I loved her work from like the second I saw it. She has so talented. She is so talented. She is so good at, it's like Charlotte Knowles, but better. She's from Milwaukee and her father.

Like, I think he was like a, like a, a metal worker. So she would incorporate like metal workings in with like this weird fabric manipulation where she would like make the fabric like stiffen and more like sculptural. And now that I see that she's showing and she's showing really well, I see that she's keeping the elements that, that she did in college, which I think that people don't stick to those weird fabric manipulation techniques that they learn in college because I, I don't know if they think that it's like not sophisticated or something, but she keeps them. And I think that they look really beautiful and they look really unique in, against all

these shows, it looks really unique. Well, yeah, because totally. It's basically like limited in its materials and its color, which is like what you need because I'm so sick of like high key embellishments and bright colors. I'm like allergic to that shit. And Elena Velez is like, if you took Vivian Westwood bleached it of the color through in some nineties Margiela and a little bit of Barry Lyndon wardrobe. But without any of the stupid, I love period dramas.

And I, one of my favorite movies that I've watched recently is this lesbian period drama called Portrait of a Lady on Fire because the costumes are so good in part, there are many other elements, but the Elena Velez actually reminds me of those costumes. And what I love about period costumes is like the structure, the volume, the core sitting, like that kind of stuff could take or leave some of the embellishments and details, which are like overly floored. And she really nailed it. I have the saddest story about the Elena Velez thing.

She sent me an email also and I was like, yeah, okay, I'm in Cape Cod, I'll get to this later because I like never respond to any fashion stuff. And then I realized that they were casting the show and I blew it. You blew it. I blew it. It was always next season. Yeah. She's going to be around a long time.

It also feels like she. Yeah. Well, she won the. Form instead of like on like a computer screen, you know, like she, she, it looks like she built an experiments on a form and yeah, she won the fashion fund, which was confusing to me. Chloe Maggie said, maybe she's going to win the, I could have kind of couldn't hear her after the show.

And I went, oh, totally. And then Betsy was like, what is she going to win? I was like, I don't know. We don't know. She's going to win fashion week. Okay. Well, this was, this was the first year that the fashion fun, like I completely, for some reason, the, the fashion fund has not come up on any of my radars this, this year.

And when I saw that she won the fashion, I was like, when did she win the fashion fund? And then I Google it. What is the fashion? And she won this year's fashion one, but everyone won this year's fashion fund. I mean, everyone. So everyone that was, it used to be like 10 designers and then they, they kind of compete and who's going to win the fashion. And then you're like a mentorship with the CFDA and they help you like build your business

and help you with, uh, you know, business things, but it turns out everyone nominated one and they won like specific mentorships relating to specifically what they need in their business. To me, that's true. I would have asked for a refund. Yeah. I would have went out screaming and kicking and being like, that's not fair. Everyone knows that a contest or a competition is a hierarchy and there can only be one winner

and the other ones get taken out back and shot. Cause it was also like a huge cat, or it used to be a huge cat. Um, oh, but so, so yeah, so I, she gives me this gorgeous nightgown. I must, I muster up the will to go to the show and wearing it. I'm like strutting up. Uh, I come up to a girl with an iPad. I'm like, hello. I'm like, seat me in the show.

She's like, sorry, what? She's like, you're, you're not, you're not on the list. I was like, Oh, she was like, do you have blah, blah? I was like, I was like, I'm wearing this dress. She just gave it to me. I think I'm like supposed to be here. She's like, let me tell you, you don't have a chair because if you did, you would be on this list.

And so I'm like frantically text and Chloe, I'm like, I don't know. She's like, she's, I'm like, is there a door code? I like find her again. I'm like, okay. She's degrading. So degrading. Humiliating. I'm like, it makes you feel like a French bulldog shitting on a curb while you're the owner

of the way. Bagging, bagging for a trip saying, Hey, um, I found the, I found the door code. She's like the door code, that's fine, but you don't have a seat. And um, she said, if it makes you feel better, you can go stand in that line over there. No, and it does not make me feel like the line, which is like the standby line. And like, you should have heard my voice. I was like, well, it's, I was like, it's not really about my feelings. It's just about fashion week, but um, and then eventually I found like another girl

who was just nicer and I was on the list and did have a chair and that's why I don't go to fashion shows. I was invited to her show and I always love that I get invited to her show. I'd never actually been because I don't actually go to any fashion show. I'm invited to, because there is always going to be that fucking bitch just stop for no reason just because it's fashion week. And I'm not going to know fashion show and get in seat in third row and then you think I'm lying.

Try to get into the fashion show. Let me give you a little pro tip next time you need to go to a fashion show. You can borrow my baby and roll up with him because they be letting you in. They just, they just assume if you went through the trouble, yeah, but it really made me think I said this to Betsy how every time I go to one of these fashion shows, it's such a fucking production to get eye overheard. They try you just because they can, they can, because they're like building this false exclusivity, false scarcity.

I heard, I heard a gay guy say to a group of people that he was trying to corral like another side of the warehouse or whatever he went, okay, so you guys don't have to stand here. He was like, the models walk all around. I was like, where are like fashion week 101 if we're talking about how the models walk all around. Like this is the most low IQ, like it's just watching a bunch of brain dead people be hysterical. It was a Chelsea factory or whatever.

Like was there a lot of other shows? There was a lot of other shows there. Can we just say we're never going to get invited to another show ever again, let alone ask to walk. But no, fashion goers are the most low IQ people on the planet. We're all going to Elena. We're walking and sitting in front of her, we're walking and then we're taking a seat for Hari now that we're sitting our white asses down.

I have to say, Arca looked beautiful at Proenza. That was my sister smart to put her first. It's really smart to put all of like the celebrities first. So this way they're on the homepage of Vogue Runway. Elena opened her show with the granddaughter of the guy that started, not the Hells Angels, Harley Davidson or something. Take that Ella Emhoff, how's that for nepotism? This gorgeous, weird older woman with like biker-y.

There was also like weird biker people wearing like CBGB's T-shirts, like sitting in the crowd too. It was very like grounded kind of in the Midwestern sensibility, I think. Yeah. Her father was probably a biker. He's like a metal Smith biker. Yeah. It rocks.

Yeah, she's cool. They're like Rust Belt people. Is that correct? I have another humiliating and degrading fashion week anecdote, which is that someone recommended me for a fashion casting for Proenza Schooler. Arca obviously took my job to open the show. I pulled up to this casting and I thought it would be a bunch of Balenciaga streetcast freaks and fugglies who were like 32 to 42.

No, it was all 19-year-old French models with the modeling cards and they were like, je m'appelle. Comment c'est- Well, that's good. That's like humiliating. That means- No, I walked in and everybody turned around like that scene and 28 days later, they were just like, but I was the zombie.

Yeah. Oh, that was, that was really low. You were like a leper. You walked a show once. Did you ever walk a show? We walked Rachel Comey together. That's the only time I've walked a show. And I walked Eckhaus Lager as well.

Dasha's also like much taller than me. I should not ever be walking shows. I'm a mitch. Dasha's taller than you? Yeah. Like by a lot. Oh, I like didn't even- Yeah.

I'm five, seven. A lot of people don't believe that, but I am. I don't know what that is. I have no business. I have five, four. I have no business ever walking a show. I have no business walking my life. I'm like a mugsy bogs of fashion.

I haven't been asked since. But like I got dinner later on with, do you know these guys, Michelle and Ryan, who do all the music programming for all the big shows randomly? They do like all the big shows randomly ended up getting dinner with them. And the guy was like, oh, yeah, we are programming Bruins. And I like blurted out like, oh, yeah, I was just at the casting. Are they from Berlin? No Paris.

And I told them the story of how it was like me and a bunch of 19 year old French models and Eli was like afterward, like when we left, he was like reprimanding music and you should not self deprecate. Don't talk yourself down. You should always talk yourself up. And I was like, no, you don't understand. I'm not. I'm not fishing for compliments.

It's literally a objectively retarded situation that should never happen. You're like one of the hottest people I know. I'm designing for a brand. Okay. It's like when we're done recording, but I already have you guys on my mood board. Oh, great. So can we can we know the brand later? Later.

Privately. Um, Luar Luar Luan, you know this guy. You must know him. Yeah. Started an hour and 15 minutes late. What? And the show was at supposed to be at 9 p.m. I could not make it last night, but it started at 10 15.

So shame on you, Raul, but what I wrote for Raul is that I've obviously I've known him for many, many years, really, really close friend. And it's nice that I saw consistency. I think that he has had a lot of issues with producing and making samples and getting things done in time. And now I feel like he's actually finally on this track where he's like consistently showing and he's telling, he's continuing a story so that each season so far has felt like him and it's really distinguishable from any other designer.

I can't tell if Paul is being legitimately gracious or if he's damning with faint praise. I'm. I just, I don't have anything bad. I mean, I liked the show. I mean, he said something so crazy to the press where he's like the big shoulders represent him carrying the world on his gay Latino shoulder. I can't criticize that because like in on it, you know, he knows what he needs to do now to get to make it.

Yeah. He's carrying the world, tiny gay shoulder like that's genius. That's Banji. He's bad. Yeah. I think he's hot in like a sinister homosexual, hottest runway finale photo I've ever seen this year. This year.

That's what I noticed. I've never seen a hotter photo of any designer ever. He does the best picture ever taken of him. He needs to put that as every profile picture everywhere. I've just always thought he was very, he's like my kind of man. All of my kind of men are always latinx gay guys. I love a leather trench blazer. I'm here for it.

I predicted that zootsuits were going to make a comeback because I was the mask about a month ago. Well, because it was the summer of Floyd because black culture is back, baby. Black culture, but also white UK like zootsuits were a big part of white UK. A lot of people don't remember this and I was like, no one's done it yet, but they're gonna soon. Yeah. And when I saw that show, I was like.

Zootsuit, but I was just gagging when I read carrying the carrying the world on his game. That's kind of funny. Oh, my big. Yeah. That was a garbage pale show and Madonna at Marnie Marnie was like, who wants a circle? Yeah. Everything looked like maternity vaginal motif. I said, Marnie is maternity wear for art curators.

That's what it is. It really is. I thought that that weird circle throughout people, people say that about that hole. I didn't I didn't like it. One of my most vivid Marnie's a brand that's been seared in my mind since I was like a teenager because I used to read Jane magazine and there was this very memorable editorial of like, you know, kind of like a hot model with this woman on the beach who was like a normal thin woman with like a postpartum belly and a bunch of kids running around and

they were all like wearing Marnie and that I think Marnie is like high end maternity wear. It used to be a it used to be a I feel like it had a completely different aesthetic than it has now. Yeah. It was always like hip and like blocky, crafty. It's not my favorite. People say people say that about Rachel Comey, but I actually still very much love and appreciate

Rachel Comey because she always like marches to the beat of her own drum, you know, even though it's like not for me so much sometimes, but sometimes she hits. Yeah. Sometimes she really hits. I bought a Marnie lawn chair on Farfetch during what why for it was like the fuck you need a lawn chair for. It was like to deep lock down 2020. I kind of was like, I was like, I'm going to move to LA.

Oh, and so I'm going to get this lawn chair. I'm going to keep it in my apartment in New York for a while, be kind of get used to it. Yeah. Then I'll put it in my backyard in Los Angeles. Thanks be to God. How much was that? I'm very curious. It was it was thousands.

It was like, wait, what? It was when we like started kind of making money and then it was like locked down. So I wasn't really spending money and I was like manic purchase, clearly total, but should be locked away in a mental institution, bought a Marnie lawn chair. Thanks be to God, Farfetch was there was like an issue where they were out of it, had to refund me my money. I never got the lawn chair. What the fuck would I be doing with a Marnie lawn chair right now?

I think the same thing to me. I was bought. I'm so glad. I'm so glad I never got that my projects that were like the thigh high, really. And I saw them on on there and I need them. And then I ordered them. I would say why project because they were thigh high and they were it looked like it looked like a more how much more than Paul, Paul, I almost bought a pair of why projects

the letto heel on youths.com, but I didn't. But it was like, it was, but you know, the those you have a baby and this is before the baby. You know those Balenciaga crocs, the letto heel that are like ugliest sin, the why project ugly boot with a stiletto heel or even uglier. Yeah. I love those. I know.

And I almost, I almost copped. I don't like the high heel crocs and no, I like the high heel, like toe shoes. I thought that was cute. Yeah. But you know, I have, I have so many issues with Balenciaga that like, I really can't get into. Well, you know my issue with them. What?

No, I don't. I think they'd be sending us sneakers instead of handbags. They send us sneakers. What are you boys? I know. Well, they sent us the like high heel. The expander. Oh, you got those?

Yeah. Oh, I wanted those. I have them in my closet. I can't give them up. Dasha tried to sell hers. I tried to sell mine. Well, they're, you're probably too, so tiny. I need a big old Wapen 10.

Well, they're, yeah, they're a women's shoe, but also, you know, the issue with Balenciaga is sending me stuff. Like, yeah, please. Come on. That's a weird thing to send you, though. That's like a PR person that like was not doing their job correctly. No, no, no. Okay.

I've said this theory on the podcast, but my theory is that they send the lower wrong influencers items that aren't selling well so that they, you know, like Instagram them and are like, thank you Balenciaga. Right. Yeah. Still, they're not doing jokes on them. I can't get around to doing it. I can't even send an email.

One of my favorite looks of the season was this Parenza. I like don't care about Parenza. I never have. Me neither. Well, but there was one look that was like these really weird, roughly bell sleeves that reminded me of Coco Montries from Drag Race. That was my favorite look of the season. Really?

No. When I was kind of, I looked at area, did you look at area? What? Oh, area. They do the mini dress, like the rhinestone. They're like Shane or Holly Express, but like high end. Yeah. Okay.

Let's look this up. That one's such a hard one to Google. I was playing a fun game where I was trying to figure out which Drag Race contestant inspired which piece. Look number one. Definitely vivacious. Wait, I can't even find this. It's like costuming.

It's like a costume in glitzy and area reminds me of that shoe brand Amina Muati that I totally hate because it's like a stiletto heel with like a weird like triangle base, like a pyramid base that looks like shit. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's also that shape is like Alexis Batar. Like it is. Yeah.

Work that shape years ago. I hate it. Area is something that like I'm just now appreciating. It's been around for so long that I never cared about it because I thought it was kind of cheap. Yeah. And now like everything around it is so terrible that like they're less terrible because they're rising to the top.

Yeah. Everything is so terrible around them that like now like they're less terrible. Paul, who's your favorite designer of all time? My favorite designer of all time. Probably, probably go to a, honestly, possibly mine too. I was also kind of thinking one that I love. It's like they all have their moments, but I feel like go to a, I always see things that I've never saw from go to a that emerge.

I also think John Galliano, yeah, but it's funny because go to a and Galliano are like the platonic ideal of the, I cast a lot of Kalina strata aesthetic. They're like the up, up, like, you know, go take had that print that was like selling on far fetch like five years ago. It was like a vintage print of like immigrants on Ellis Island or like the Lower East Side or something. And it was just like faces on blazers and jeans. Yeah.

And I really regret not buying this pair of jeans because I was like a fatty at the time and they were like a size 25 waist and I should have, I know I was just fat and I should have just bought them then and anticipated that I would have a weight in a 32. Even though I'm a 34, why just one day I'll say you have all this clothes like floating around that you can't wear go to a Westwood. I mean, I like all the classics. Westwood's up. Who's your favorite designer?

Dasha of like all time. If you had to name one. Vivian Westwood really comes. Okay. Yeah. That's a good one. I'm sorry. I thought as well.

Yeah. I love when we're all on the same page. Paul, do you like eating the shrimp tail of the shrimp? No. Never mind. Not at all. Okay. Okay.

It's because you're not straight and shellfish. Do you like the shrimp at all? Not really anymore. I think shrimp is something I used to appreciate more when I was younger and now that I'm older, I'm kind of icked out by it. Yeah. Whereas now I'm more into scallops and growing up, I thought scallops was the best thing. I'm coming around on scallops.

They're fine. I think they're overrated. Shrimp tails. That's so like. I love that. It's good. Calling up my favorite Galliano look of all time, which is why he's also probably one of my favorite designers, but love.

That's so good. Yeah. I love the collection. Baby. Yeah. Iron cross. Yeah. This is very Dasha core.

It's a picture of Kate Moss from the 1992. She's wearing like panties and like an Edwardian camisole with a cross. It's like literally. This is in form. So much. It's like. Yeah. My favorite Galliano look is when he was like drunk in Paris and went on the anti-Semitic

ground. That's very me. We should go to Paris. That's so you. I've been there. I went there. You went to the bar? I went to the bar on purpose.

Yeah. Cause Matthew Malouf told me to go there and he was like, this is where Galliano had his anti-Semitic ground. Really? He lives in that building next door. He worked in there. But Galliano is just mad because he looks kind of Jewish. They always are.

That's always how it is. I have a question. Is Paris Fashion Week as much of a mass as New York Fashion Week? Okay. The thing is, it's like New York, I feel like is leaning more into like the experimental fluid, gender fluid, crafty even where it's like you can't really get away with like crafty in Paris. But I mean, in terms of managing even the shows, like if you go to a show in Paris,

is it such a disaster? Oh, it's even worse. Is it such a humiliation? Cause they're French. Oh, it's even worse. It's even worse. Like, you only go to Paris if you're like, you only go to shows if you're like best friends with the PR.

Yeah. That's a good chance you will. You will be. But like French people are great. They're like, Sacre bleu. I am a sinister homosexual. I'm like, hey Jews, why is the show not going well? That is my croissant.

Wait, remember like early on in the early days of the pod, when we were reviewing some fashion week, you said you would give it all up. You were dating Adam at the time and you said you would give it all up to be one of those beautiful coked up models with like painfully skinny arms. I would give it all up. Eli, the baby, this apartment, if I could go to Paris fast in a week. Just go. You should just go together.

Let's go Paris fashion week because I haven't been there in years and I think we would have a lot of fun. Let's stop being as a woman with an iPad. Yeah. Yeah. Psychologically destroy me. Outside of Paris shows, it's like, like, like mobs and mobs of people. New York used to be like this where like when it was fashion week, you sort of saw that

it was fashion week like everywhere in New York because it used to be Lincoln Center and then it was Milk Studios. Now it's like you would see people like running around the city weird like this whole foods second Avenue subway station with like Darrow, like literal Darrell leaks everywhere. And there's like not one site and they're all outdoors and like weird, a lot of them were Brooklyn. What? A lot of them were.

I would never. There was a lot of parties in Brooklyn. There was a lot of parties this year, too. There were a lot of parties that started fashion week. I also don't remember fashion week being like a Wednesday to a Wednesday. Yeah. That felt that felt like disorienting to me. Let's be honest.

Mm hmm. And why if W kind of fell off? Oh, it's a hundred percent. It's not a. Years ago. Yeah. Sorry. It fell off when it could bear us up showing.

No shade. Sorry. It's true. This feels like it feels like it's back because of COVID like because we had like a few years of like virtual shows. So I'm I'm kind of like, oh, fashion week's back, but it's not really. Yeah. It sucks.

A lot of my negative criticism for a lot of these shows I'm going to go into was that they should go back to their lookbook virtual format because they're wasting their money. Like like I'm looking at something like there was some brand called who decides war, which I've never heard of. And I was like, why did they have a show? Who gave them the money to do that? They should have taken whatever money they did more like who gave them a show. Yeah.

They were like who decided to give them. Well, you could have a show if you just like pay for it. Yeah. How much is it cost to get a show? To do a fashion show? Yeah. Like CFDA approved, whatever you're looking at. Certified beef.

You're looking at like 30 to $50,000. Okay. That's manageable. No, no, no, no, no. Okay. For the venue alone. Okay. Then to make a collection of X amount of looks.

Okay. I probably need a hundred thousand dollars. And they still can't pull it together. They still cannot seamlessly get people into a room and watch models walk around. But if you're in a really good show. Yeah, I'm just asking you to do something. It's the easiest thing in the world.

Okay, you guys, I'm gonna do my own line and we're gonna do the show in Seward Park. Okay. They're just gonna walk the circle. It's these hysterical homosexuals. They love to like, go, go, go, like atmosphere. But they're making it needlessly complicated. I don't think that happens anymore though.

I think that's like not allowed at fashion shows. To scream at them. That's like too old school. And of course everything good in old school is like no longer allowed. Yeah. I would just love. You can't berate a model.

You could never tell a model to walk the crazy. I would just love once to see one that goes off without a hitch. You know, that's like, here's your seat, ma'am. Yeah, 20 to 30 minutes. Yeah. There's the show. I just talked about it on my podcast,

but I used to be in Usher for fashion shows when I was in high school. I used to volunteer for the CFDA because I wanted to like go to all the shows. Yeah, yeah. And this is back when I was at Bryant Park. Wow. Oh yeah.

I mean, that's when. Wait, was it Lincoln Center first and then Bryant Park or other way around? Bryant Park was like the, that was like called the tents. And the fountain in the center of Bryant Park was in the center of these tents. And then there was like four huge fashion showrooms.

And that was interesting because it was one runway and like bleach your style seats and everyone got the same space. Treatment, yeah. So they had to figure out how to transform those spaces quickly. But that's how it should be though. Yeah, it is.

It should operate within constraints. Paul, can I tell you like a creepy true story? I have a confession to make. Okay. 10 years ago? And it's two, I moved to New York in 2009. That's 12 years. Yeah.

I remember encountering you and Patrick. What? On Instagram in the early days. Really? Yeah. And thinking like, oh my God, they're so sinister and intimidating. Oh, really?

Yeah. Wow. Genius. Yeah. And I thought I thought Paul. And you were right. I was, yeah. Did you meet Paul at my birthday party?

Maybe. And I thought Paul. That's where I first met you. I thought Paul was so handsome. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Cause he looks like he could be my son too. And I'm a raging narcissist.

You look like pictures of my grandmother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I have a vivid memory of like Paul and Patrick when they were like whatever, 23 year old, early fashion retards. Yeah. Faster.

Because I was into that whole like, Alexander Wang, Lea Bag with the studded bottom, opening ceremony. Which could be that. Rachel Comey. Yeah. What do you mean opening ceremonies back?

Well, I saw that they had a big party celebrating their X amount of years where they brought together like all the old OC Femme. But last I remember, OC was not, was not an old collection. But they have a collection that they fell in love with. I thought I was bankrupt too.

Well, okay. This company called New Guards Group that owns Off-White and Marcella Berlin and Heron Preston. They had purchased opening ceremony and that's why the store is closed and it was no longer from Bursa and Perot. So it's not in Bursa and Perot, okay.

And then they went off and they started a restaurant in LA. But now I see that they're back at OC. So I don't know if maybe they're gonna do something. I would, I would actually. I would love it. I made my first, I made my earliest reckless fashion purchases

at the OC location in Soho back in 2019. I bought a situationist leather blazer that's like fuggly as hell. And a Merriam Nasser Zadeh like prairie dress. I never got to buy anything at all. I feel like one of my most expensive first purchases was OC. I was in college and it was an OC Heather Gray hoodie

that had like, it was woven. It was like a woven pattern in the Heather Gray like terry. And then there was these like X hoodies that were like Harlequin X. I remember that. Yeah. Those are really popular. And I think they were like $70.

And I remember being like, oh my God, I'm spending $70 on a hoodie. And it was shocking. Yeah. I hope you never went to OC. No, I never did. We have to bring OC back. Well, yes, it's a doll.

I went into the Dolls Kill because I'd be shopping. Dolls Kill has really good quality clothing. If you are into that kind of thing. So much of my clothing is from Dolls Kill. Wait, go work for them. I didn't want to move to LA. Well, you can do remote. There's tights are fantastic.

Can you get us like a Dolls Kill endorsement brand club? Listen, no brand has ever had the guts to sponsor Red Scare. This is an open plea. They're very fashion forward. They did a Courtney Love collaboration. They should do a Red Scare collaboration. You should do Red Scare Hysteric Glamour. That's the collaboration.

What's Hysteric Glamour? It's that Japanese brand. Glamour is the best Japanese brand. It's like a Lolita thing. Yeah, it's like Gwen Stefani who's brilliant. It's more like rock and roll. Yeah, the eyes of Japanese people. It's like really good.

Lock and roll. Yeah, it's like so, it's like really good. It's like really 90s too. Okay. But I don't see why ex-girls not like obsessed with you too. We're old, honey. We're old, yeah. Because we old.

Tell me about it. But no, Dolls Kill is good. The Dolls Kill former OC location, new Dolls Kill location in Soho is legitimately frightening. It feels like a monkeypox S-Rave. And there's like no sales associates. Dr. Demetrius is there like giving shots that you walk in.

Hey, bitch. My big fat Greek vaccine. No, it's just like all black lit. You can't try anything on. Like you can't see anything. You just have to like just grab stuff and purchase. I mean, it's all like $40 to $70. Yeah.

Sounds like the Kanye West like garbage bags of clothing. It literally is, yeah. It's so shocking. I recommend, huh? It's black lighting inside? Yeah, it's just like black. I'm gonna go. It's like pitch black.

I'm gonna go. I went to brandy today. I like ticked a couple of things out and then was like, I don't really need this. I just put it all back in black. It sounds like there used to be a store. Only the really old heads, only the old New York heads are gonna know what this is.

But there used to be a store called Antique Boutique. And I know all about. Did you go to Antique Boutique? My mother brought me there. My mom used to bring me up in Yellow Rat Bastard. Wow. And Shanghai Tang. Wow, Shanghai Tang.

I know, I know. That's I owe everything to my mother. Where was Antique Boutique? It was on Broadway where God, I mean, the only way I know how to say it is where the American apparel then went on Broadway. Yes, like downtown. A bunch of African counterfeiters.

OK, you know, those like really crazy videos that that one guy shoots, that's all over Twitter of like downtown Philly of like drug addicts just like hunched over and it's like used to use by right wingers to demonstrate how like low our cities have fallen, whatever. I saw one that was like of New York and it was like Broadway and Canal.

Yeah, I saw that one. It was just like a bunch of people selling like Prada. I was like, no, they just sell the bags. They're not like drug addicts. No, no, no, no, that's just the name. That's just where we get our bags. And we've missed that honesty. That was like part of like the lifeblood.

Like that was like, you know, if like Times Square is like the heart, that was like the pancreas. That's well said. It was the pancreas. Yeah, that's where it's like a weird gland like fake bags. And then it got really shady where it was like all Chinese women like grabbing you and like showing you like a business card with bags on it.

And that was like weird. Like a laminated piece of paper. And there would be like these raids. But it's like that actually is big business for New York. That brings in these. We need that. That's part of the city. But you know, like brandy.

Have you walked by recently with all this? Yeah, I walk by all the time. Oh, it's like really good fakes. It's so good. Well, OK, Paul, I feel really sad about this because when I was in fucking, I went to China right before the pandemic. I'm like right before lockdown. And I've got a bunch of like counterfeit.

Yeah, I'm the gay ton du gah of COVID. And I like bought all this like fake, the counterfeit. I bought like one of those Balenciaga Bernie t-shirts. That was like big at the time for like $10. And but now you can get those handbags on Broadway Canal. Yeah, they're crazy. New York is back. You don't have to go all the way to Shenzhen to get a fake

like Prada baguette bag. Yeah, and like re nylon fabric. I wish they had I wish they had nylon product. I wish they had like 90s. They do. No, they do. They do. They do. They have they know they have the re nylon. They have like the RAF reissues.

I'm going to go. I'm going to go. Do you know if they had any like Siemens Browse Louis Vuitton with like graffiti Louis Vuitton? I've seen it. OK, I've seen it. I don't know if they have it. I just want that.

I still use my canal street like Christian Dior. I know, I remember when you got that bag. Do you remember Canal Jeans? Yes, no. I remember all the shit. That was like that was like the retail like Trinity. It was like antique boutique, yellow wrap bastard, canal jeans. You were set.

You were like the coolest kid of the first day of school. If you like, that's what I know. I I remember my mother would take my sister and me down to like to downtown New York to go shopping to the village. We would go to the village and we would get like a bucket hat and a crop top and like cargo pants. And I remember like at one point she was like looking through old photos and she was like, man, I didn't realize how fat you guys were.

We were like 13. But it's only because you were like dressing like wiggle girls. No, no, we were like we were like we were chubby pre-teens. Yeah, we were bug girl, Delia's, whatever. But you know how Brandy did the collab with Yellow Wrap Bastard? Yes, yes. Because Adam stole my yellow, my like Chinatown Yellow Wrap Bastard boyfriend's size tea and I was because it was a boyfriend.

It was like one of their big ones. It was like an extra large. Yeah. And when we broke up, I was like, hey, can I get that? He was like, I don't know where it is. And then I see a video of him doing stand up in it. But here's a picture of me in New York and when I'm 13, so that's 2004. And I'm it's after the Towers fell. Yeah, my mom took me to New York and I was like, I want to go to St. Mark's place.

So cute. You dyed your hair. Bad brains teacher, dyed black hair, Fedora. Yeah. Fedora is cute. I think Dasha was the best team. She was like the classic team. Wait, Paul, I have a fucked up question to ask you because I was at Dan

Allegretto's birthday party. That was my one party I went to for a year and a half. I went to NYFW and I met your friend, Heather Jewett, who's a comedian and a podcastress. And she said that you were supposed to be in the building when they fell. Can you confirm or deny? Because that's the most Italian thing I've ever heard. I wasn't supposed to be in that building, but I worked on Maiden Lane or Meridian Lane, which was the street on the side of the Twin Towers.

Where? Right by the Twin Towers. You worked. I was a messenger. Wait, how old were you? Are you allowed to say? It was high school to college. So that summer from high school to college, I was like, okay, let me get like a easy job

where let me just be like a bike messenger. I could be outside all day. So I was a messenger. So I'd have to go and clock in at 9 a.m. down at the World Trade Center. And then I would just be a messenger all day. And then I started school. I started SVA and I had Tuesdays and Wednesdays off because I wanted to keep those two days as my two days where I would work.

And then it was the first week of school. And I realized that there was no way I was going to be able to like be a full-time student in college and have this job. So I quit that job. And by quit, you didn't really quit. On September 10. Didn't show up. Yeah, you just didn't show up because you'd like check in when you get there.

And it was that Tuesday that I did not go to work. And that was the day that the Twin Towers happened. Yeah. And it happened at 9. What happened at 9.05. So I would have been checked in and I would have been like, you know, on my way to like do it. The World Trade Center. Yeah.

Yeah. Cause the while he was at the World Trade Center. Crazy. I was shocked when I heard this poll. That is crazy. I was getting all these calls from my family. I'd be like, oh my God, where are you? I'm like, what?

I just woke up. I didn't, I didn't go to work today. You're from Bay Ridge or Sheepshead Bay originally? Bensonhurst. Bensonhurst. Okay. Were you in Bensonhurst? I was in Bensonhurst.

Yeah. Wow. And then me and my brother, we started ambulance chasing and we were like, let's drive to, we were like, let's just get in the car and drive to the Twin Towers. So we were on the, the Belt Park way. Then we got on like the highway into the tunnel. And right when we were there is when we, is when the towers fell and we were like, nope. And then we turned the car around and we went back home.

And I remember just got home and then I was like looking at the news and I was just like balling, crying. That's when it hit me. Like when I saw it on the news. Yeah. It's insane. And I was like, I feel so unsafe. It was like Brooklyn next.

It was very, it changed everything. I mean, it was really fucked up because I was a freshman in college. And you know, there's that theory that like my generation, like never, like we went, we graduated school in like the worst economy. And we like, we're like post nine, 11, like, I don't know, it's crazy. It's also crazy, like knowing that it's 21 years ago, which is like crazy. Cause you're just like, actually, where does the fucking time go? Like people that are like younger that like weren't even alive then.

Like that's like yesterday to me. They don't even know. Yeah. No, I know. I was like at the MNZ show and I was like, Oh, I'm like one of these New York old heads now. What were you in high school? I was in high.

I was a junior in high school. Okay. Yeah. But like on nine, 11. Yeah. Did they show? Yeah. Right.

No way. I was in. I was 10. Wait, hold on. But I'm, I'm five years older than you. So I was 15. So I was a sophomore. Okay.

I was a sophomore in high school. Yeah. What are you guys talking about? No, I remember. Yeah. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. I'm born in 1985. You're born in 1991. So six years. 83. 83. Okay. So yeah.

85 to. Yeah. I don't know. That tracks. Yeah. It's adding up. 9 11. Definitely happened.

We all remember it. I burst into the bedroom today and was like, I just, if you watch the way the towers fall, it was an inside job. And I was like, Eli, like what? No. You little freak. Like that's your conspiracy theory. You're not anti Vax or anti sunscreen.

You're like a 9 11. I was, I mean, I believe that. Do you think it was an inside job? I don't think it was an inside job. I don't think it was an inside job. I don't think it's an inside job, but I think they knew. So it's effectively an inside job. I think they had intel that they didn't.

Yeah. That they didn't act upon the point where they didn't, they didn't do it themselves. They didn't DIY it. There's some loose change. Yeah. But it's probably one of those things where there's so many. There was probably so many threats. Yeah.

They're always like, we're going to blow this up too. We're going to blow up this. How about that? You know, and it's like, like, what can you really do? What about how Muhammad Ata took those flight lessons and didn't learn how to plan the plane? That's one of my favorite, like fake 9 11 anecdotes. Who was that? Muhammad Ata is the main orchestrator.

Like, I don't know if he's the one we just killed. No, no, no, no. No, he died. The one that like also looks like he could be my brother or my son. Yeah. But apparently he, they took drive. They took a flying lessons in Maine or something. And then they didn't learn how to land the plane.

Like the person. They were like, we're good. And he was like, okay, see you later. It's kind of wrong and sacrilegious to have fashion week. There's a really good TV show. That's a side track. This conversation. But there's a really good TV show.

That's all about like why planes crash. Okay. What's it called? I think it's called Y plane. And there's multiple episodes and each one focused on like one other. Like one is like human error. One is like nature. One is like malfunction.

And it's really scary. Are you scared of flying? I'm not scared of flying. No, really? No, no, no. I'm like terrified. I was, I was more scared of flying when I watched this show. I, the whole, like the process of landing is like such a very, it's like a skill.

That's why you always clap skill. That like, yeah. That's why the meds clap. You clap when you land a plane. Americans don't clap, but meds do. Americans clap sometimes. They do. I've been on American flights.

What I don't understand is how the wing doesn't snap off sometimes. Yeah. I don't understand how it gets up there. I don't understand anything about it. To be honest, I don't know. We don't, we don't understand aviation. We just go out of the flow. And then they're always like, actually flying in a plane is safer than driving in a car.

And I'm like, I don't think so. It doesn't feel that way. I've seen that one. Cause also when you watch this, if you watch this, if you watch this show, you'll see that there's like so many more plane crashes that we just don't know about. Yeah. Of course. Well, remember that plane that like crashed into Queens?

I don't know when that was like 10 years ago. I don't know if I remember that. I remember the one that landed in the water. Yeah. Sully. Sully. They made a movie with Tom Hanks. I watched that when I got, I got really into plane crashes very recently.

What was the movie with Den Sal where he lands the plane to, but he's drunk and then they can't, is it not Den Sal Washington? Is that a flight plan? There's like another one about a plane. Oh, wait. Speaking of Den Sal. Okay. How do you feel about all these like old timers being wheeled out for fashion campaign?

Um, the Seinfeld thing. I don't mind it. I really can't judge it. Like when I was doing my sunglass campaign, I was trying to get Mickey working and I hate that I just said that. Willem Dafoe for Palace. I really, I really, I always wanted to shoot Mickey work. I wanted, I always wanted to shoot Joe Pesci, Danny DeVito.

Joe Pesci. Joe Pesci is so good to have them in an ad. I think that if it's done well, I think that, I think that the, the Seinfeld thing is like fine. It like actually makes sense in the way that like Kiff and Seinfeld are both like the same thing. This is like Adam Friedland's arc 30 years from now. He's going to be in the, yeah. Like I get it.

So like really it's, it wasn't even that big of a deal to me when I saw it. Chuyorker. Yeah, it's very. Totally. I was more pissed because sometimes it, because sometimes people have really good ideas like at NAND when Kiff did the Christopher Maltesanti. Oh, they what? They, they did a collaboration with Bergdorf Goodmans where they made like velvet tracksuits

and Christopher was the model. Michael Imperial. I want to get that guy on the pause. He should come on the pause. He's a friend of Raheel who did the music for MNZ so we can make that happen. I bet you can definitely get that. And he's married to a Russian woman. Perfect.

We have a lot to talk about. He likes my bloody Valentine. But I don't mind, I don't mind the stunt casting. I think there was a difference to when I was like, I don't know. I don't mind it when it's done well and when like the clothes looks good, but the Seinfeld thing was particularly like grating and irritating and reminded me of every like sober, 42 year old wigger I know who used to like bomb with Dash back in the day. I almost wore a Dash snow T-shirt tonight just for you.

But it worked. It was like the whole idea was to generate like a meme and a proliferator. Which is the point of why anyone does that. But that's why I'm resentful because it took the bait. Like where it doesn't work is like Lil Nas X walking the coach show yesterday. Oh, I want to talk about coach. Oh wait, I'm going to pull up coach. Wait, Lil Nas X is in some like recent ad that I saw that was like also really bizarre.

At least he has a fantastic body. He has a really good body. Plus you need really dark skin models to put neon clothes on. That was my biggest beef with Proenza, they put the one really dark skin like purple African girl in a highlighter yellow pants suit. And I was like, come on, that's too un you know, like the African models with the like sheared hat. They always do that.

They always do that. Stop. It's always the most neon color. Because they're the only people that looks good on. It always that always feels like inclusivity. It's like I had a lot of things to say about that where, you know, I do notice obviously there's a lot of there's a lot more plus size people on the runway right now, which I don't think is a bad thing.

I think it's a really good thing. But I think that if you're going to walk the walk, you need to talk to talk. If you're going to put plus size people in your show, then you need to design for plus size people because there was no shows where it's like they're always putting plus size people in whatever like scraps they can find to make that look happen. Yeah, it's like it's literally like burlesque like beer winch or or like beautiful though. Like dress barn. Who was it?

There was one. I don't know. I'm looking at coach. Coach is an absolute travesty to me. And when I see those NB is wearing like frocks. It just makes it feel like they're trying their hardest. Wait, coaches is very Anna. Okay.

Coach coaches. To me, coach is the same leather jacket. 20 times. Yeah, it's literally the same leather jacket. 20 times. And it's a leather jacket that I'd be wearing with those Donald Fagan wrap round shades. Wait till it gets the baby doll dresses. Some people of color a blonde in a kind of flax, wheat colored thing.

This Eckhaus lotta knit look. The knits were very confusing on the coach. So to me, I hate coach. I just, I don't, I don't. Nobody here has worked with coach. Okay. Anyone who works with coach is a loser. I'm just putting that out there. We don't plan.

I don't plan to. I agree. I mean, I, there's such desperate clout hogs. I'm going to have a fan of the coach. People are nasty. Backpack. Wait. And then look, it's like, then it's like literally like four of this knit.

Yeah. It's having a show for the show. Yeah. And then a bunch of these weird like fake Mark by Mark Jacobs, maybe don't dress as that he did better anyway with like a bald headed hoe and another bald headed hoe. I mean, it's like fake Mew Mew, fake Mark Jacobs. It's just, it literally is.

Yeah. Wait, and what? Coach sucks. Coach used to be like a good growing up. I love a coach backpack. Yeah. From the. When they did the.

I got like mad. It's like, I'm not trying to like gate keep gay culture, but like doing like the Eagle logo on a coach bag, like it made me mad. No, no, no. Wait, I hate this. I think it was Carolina Herrera that did the best plus. It was the final look. Oh, I didn't look at that one.

And she like, she just looked so good. Like tits. I was like, I'm hungry. Oh, well, you know, the other thing that I was thinking about is that not only is a fashion week, but like the art world is back because it's September. And there was that like David Zwerner performance space thing there was like a bunch of people crowded into and I was like fantasizing about like a gas chamber type situation.

But a friend of mine who was there told me that Roxanne Gay was in the building and I was like, can you imagine being like Roxanne Gay, you're like six foot four and like 400 pounds and you're just walking around. Wait, let's see. This is what Lizzo should have worn instead of that trash bag. The Carolina Herrera collection is nice. Wait, when did Lizzo wear a trash? I mean, when did she?

MTV Music Awards. I think a couple days ago. Oh, yeah. Terrible. Yeah. I don't mind it. I didn't like it. She wore tonight when I was watching the Emmys before I got here.

She had a big tool dress that like kind of looked good. I think Lizzo is pretty in the face. She is. There's no, there's no denying she's pretty. I, her looks are the least problem I have with her. Yeah. To me, it's like, I mean, I don't know. It's more like her music, which is like, I'm hungry.

It's just not for me. And there's power in realizing that something is just not for you. Yeah. It's like preachy, like even though drag race is like my favorite show, it's like drag race. Yeah. Vocal memes. It's like, yeah, these looks are serving.

It's just not, it's not any sort of music I would ever listen to. Oh my God, I was holding the microphone away from my face. I hope that I wasn't doing it. It's fine. I have such a love hate relationship with gay guys, because I also had this like epiphany the other day where it's like. Can't wait for this one. Ah, yeah.

Well, okay. Go on. Fashion week. The reason that women love gay guys is because many women, such as myself, want to be objectified without being sexualized because let's face it, being sexualized takes energy and effort and is a chore when you have to entertain and humor a man who is sexually attracted to you. Whereas when you interact with a gay man who has like a vision for you,

wants to beat you into a pulp, but has no sexual interest in you whatsoever. Yeah. But like recognizes your potential and is like, yes, queen. That's why you don't like that. No, no, I. She does. I appreciate that's why women love fashion because it's, it's an opportunity to be objectified without being sexualized.

Absolutely. Because as you get older, it becomes more and more tedious. When you're like a 1921 year old girl, all you want is to be sexualized by men. But like when you're my age, you literally don't give a shit. No, they like make men's clothes or they can like see men naked. I was just looking at Stephen Klein is he said that he's released. He's premiering his only fans next week. Who's Stephen Klein?

So photographer Stephen Klein. Wait. Oh, he's like music videos and like he shoots Madonna. He's like that guy. Okay. He's a huge fashion. But he's starting at only fans where it's like of model Madonna. Probably Madonna will make.

Okay. It's like the unfiltered. But I was like, oh, is this like, is this like cool? Because it's like kind of really inappropriate. It's only fans. It's not him naked. It's going to be like other naked. Wait, is Bruce Weber still alive?

Bruce Weber is alive. Yeah, he should. He should get on only. He should. I mean, that seems like the move. Only pinch. We have a photographer is not your favorite fashion photographer. Oh, I mean, David LaChapelle.

Okay. It's yours. Hmm. I mean, David LaChapelle only because I work with him. If not, are we going like old school or new school? I'd say the old school. It's like Helmut Newton. I love Helmut Newton.

I love his like Nazi aesthetic. Have you ever seen the eyes of Laura Mars? No. Oh my God, you have to see the eyes of Laura Mars with Faye Dunaway, where she's a fashion photographer. Oh, I've seen this. Yes. Oh, wow.

I'm writing this down. I'm writing this down. Someone based on her photographs. Yeah. And all the photographs in that movie are Helmut Newton. Okay. Oh. I love it.

I love her photographer. Have you seen the crazy Lenny Reifenstall books of like African tribes? No. That we are not allowed to. They're like beautiful, like formally beautiful photographs. She went to Africa and photographed like tribes people. She was like, yeah. She had like female filmmaker Friday.

It's a female filmmaker. There's a really good magical show happening right now at photographic. Yeah. Okay. Have you seen the Wolfgang Tillman show at MoMA? I have not. Are you going to? Probably not.

Okay. Good for you. I'm upset. You know, I went to school for photography. You did? No, I didn't know that. I went to SVA for photography. Oh, wow.

Do you know that Wolfgang Tillman's also has a music career? No. Career is generous. I did not know. I know that Wolfgang Tillman took a shit on the deck of a Fire Island rental that I had. What? Yeah.

Why? He'd be pissed. Well, that man be pissing on people's heads. He'd be doing all sorts of weird fucked up shit. Yeah. Wolfgang Tillman's come on the pod. Yeah. So let's talk about monkeypox.

Let's talk about the new monkeypox czar. What's his name? Dimitri. Dimitri is something. Dimitri Nekrasov. No. Dimitri Dixacolas. He's going to really hate that.

I mean, to be honest, I was like, I liked it like serious research on him. Okay. And, you know, like when he was going to Las Vegas, I like that he's older. Because I was like, okay, let's see how old this guy is. I needed like as much contact as like before I can like judge him. He was 46 years old. Yeah. He hustled to get through like medical school, which I thought was kind of cool.

What do you mean he hustled? You shouldn't hustle. You shouldn't hustle to get through. He's a gay prostitute. He's a satanist. I mean, medical school is one of those things that you shouldn't hustle. I mean, that article I sent you guys that was like right wing people think Dimitri Dixacolas is a satanist because he has a pentagram tattoo.

And I was like, that's not like a crazy right wing. Yeah. He's a satanist because he's a sinister homosexual. Yeah. Like he's like literally having a Harry Potter fan. Because if you look at his other tattoos, he has a pentagram and then the other tattoo is like literally a quote from Dumbledore when he gives Ron Weasley like the deluminator and he's like, this shall illuminate your way when there's no light or something.

He has that tattoo on him. He's just a Harry Potter fan. Harry Potter is a satanic. True. I wish he was like a fisted in Bergheim type of home. He is a musical theater. Harry Potter Hamilton. No, no, no.

Those are Anna. There. I think it's a little naive of you to think that those homosexuals are the girls, they go to the biggest facing girls. I believe that these homosexuals, they can't even stop having an orgy, but he's he's a upset, Yoda homosexual. he's a coach homosexual, that's not a real homosexual. That's true.

They're all bisexual, they're all AK's sexual opportunists. Yeah, they're straggits, straight straggits. This guy is a 100% faggot for sure. He's a 100% faggot. He's balding as a beard, what, representation in the government? Well, no, I was telling Paul, because we was having a cigarette,

how Andrew Sullivan was like chimping out on Twitter and was like, why should his appearance matter in terms of his ability to carry out his job? And also he looks great. And I was like, Andy, that's like not the serve you think it is. You are owning yourself right now. But it's also, what is that job? What the monkey pox?

Being a monkey pox star. And what that job is in the government. It's to gaslight people. Basically. Yeah, it's to do lies. It's to gaslight normies who are like confused about what. The national monkey pox response coordinator is his job position.

I mean, I'm sure we all have an awful Zana Bain harness. Oh my God. I do have a Zana Bain harness. I have a couple harness photos. Working on Facebook. I do, I do. Wait, Zana Bain versus Fleet Illia.

Yeah, Fleet Illia. Right, well, listen, one was clearly better, but one, is Fleet Illia still around? They are. They were good. They were really good. There's a photo of me go-go dancing at a drag bar in San Francisco wearing a Zana Bain harness.

Okay, so if you ever work for the government, they're gonna pull up your Zana Bain harness photo. And that's gonna be the press photo. It's not a pentagram, at least it's not a, you know. But his harness is like Amazon Prime. It's not Zana Bain or Fleet Illia. I think it is Zana Bain actually. It's literally Amazon Prime.

I've also seen that guy, I've seen that guy a lot being like a homosexual in New York. I've seen that guy- You've seen him around a lot. I've seen a lot of people being homosexuals in New York. But he was originally hired 10 months ago. I read this on like, like Greek worlds. Yeah, Greek, Greek, a Greek forum.

You're on some Greek forums. I read this on. Read more, Dimitri Duskalakis. GreekCityTimes.com that he was 10 months ago, he was assigned to be Dr. Dimitri Duskalakis. Dr. Dimitri. Is president of Biden's new Greek weapon against HIV. Wow.

Changes headline. Wait, is HIV still a thing? So he was all, let me take a picture of that off your phone real quick. I wanna post a video of that. Yeah, because HIV is supposed to have a cure. HIV was supposed to be cured in 2020. That was the goal.

Can I just say, can I, my hot take is that. I don't do an HIV hot take, Hannah, please don't. No, I'm gonna do an HIV hot take. I think that HIV could have been cured early on in the game. If people had focused on actually curing the virus versus doing virus prevention and management. Because it's not unreasonable. I mean, now it's a totally manageable.

It's a manageable disease, which is, it's also a big business manageable disease. Well, you need to be on this medication forever. But I also feel like if the science exists, that this medication puts HIV positive people at undetectable. I understand that that's like the worthy goal, but why not strive toward an even better, like I'm a total libtard.

There's no medicine. In the words of Jack, the perfume nationals, the one thing that I'm totally libtarded on is HIV. And like, why couldn't there have been a more dedicated effort to come up with a literal. Why was it up to Marianne Williamson? Yeah, literally. To manage this crisis.

I don't mean like an injection that you can take that curous a disease, but like a vaccine, something like. Something as fast as the vaccine came. Okay, because it's for gay guys. Like why do people have to be on like triple cocktail? Yeah. It's because it was for gay guys.

And COVID hit the population of white women and white straight men. So that's why we got a vaccine within like six months. But I understand that it's like HIV is a virus. And therefore it's hard to come up with like a legitimately effective. It was Corona. Yeah, but there's no cure for COVID.

You just like also kind of meant like viruses are natural. It's like HPV herpes are viruses that stay with you forever. They're, you can't cure a virus essentially, but you would think that with HIV that there would be more of an effort. Actually you wouldn't. I'm being naive again,

because there's more money to quote prevent and manage it. Absolutely. But that's my one beef. And that's a very valid beef. That's my one take. That's my one take. Yeah, there should have been a cure by now. And I hate those faggot right wingers on Twitter

who are always like if gay guys hadn't unleashed blah blah. I hate that strain of. Wait, what do they say? Like there's this whole like strain of like right wing guys who thinks that like homosexuals are uniquely sinister and ruining culture, which like don't get me wrong. I think your average are in the beginning of this pod. What you call me sinister?

Well, no, I think don't get me wrong. I think your average homosexual with a clipboard at a fashion show is like low grade sinister. But I this whole idea that like gay guys are like uniquely to blame for what ails us is so pathological and delusional. Yeah, it's completely crazy. Well, the saddest thing about AIDS is that we lost so many good great guys.

And now we have a bunch of like wacky guys. Right now, like we don't have like Keith Hiram, but we have Kenny Sharif. Oh, great. The gay guy can eat me. We're not about that guy. Does Rick Owens count as gay? Rick Owens is gay.

Rick Owens is like aggressively homosexual. OK, but he's in a in a in a heterosexual marriage. He's like he's like he's like sex club guy. He's like very gay. Because he has a boyfriend, which I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing for his line, because his line kind of changed with this boyfriend being in the picture.

You know, the boyfriend Tyrone. No, of what? He has like big fake lips, like long, blonde, golden hair, like so skin like muscle that looks like, you know, like chicken wings, like poke your finger through the muscles. Tyrone's the key. You need to look at Tyrone. But OK, the collections became less like the collections

became like gayer with Tyrone in the picture. How long has Tyrone been in the picture? And also, does Rick Owens show in New York? Rick Owens is not shown in New York. Rick Owens owns Paris. OK. To me, that's the best show in Paris is going to the Rick Owens show.

That's where we're going. And that's the show. Well, that's I can get you in that. Let's go. Can we go to Paris, Paul? I want to go to Paris. Can you like make a wish foundation for us just to go to Paris fashion week?

We should have Patrick pitch an article of us going to Paris. Let me go to Paris. We do a live show. There we go. There we go. We should do a video because it's boring to do art fairs and like art events. We should do Paris fashion.

That would be fun for us. Yeah. We should start a line and like have a show in Paris. We could also start the line. We could call the line much like the row. I love that he has like a Paul. It's so cute. My list, my fashion show.

I sent you a photo of these. No, I know, but it's better with all the highlighting in person. Oh, the yellow is the good ones. The blue is what I hated. OK, so I think we. I think we covered the show. Yeah, I mean, we're also like we still

have two more days of shows. And I just want to say that like Vogue Runway's app, their only job is to show you fashion shows. And you literally need to close the app, like hard close the app to even be able to refresh it. Now it's so glitchy. I couldn't even look at Philip Lim. I got an error because I was scrolling through Rack House

a lot of real fast and they were like. It used to be Slideshow where you would press the little foot of the neck. Yeah, it still does Slideshow, but. And now it's scrolling Slideshow, which is I think it's really bad and. Well, I did both on my computer. All of the shows don't show up.

Philip Lim, I tried to look at. The pics were so tiny. Oh, really? And I was like, what the fuck is this? I was like, I can't look at this tiny photo. 2003 deep cut. That was he's part of like the Asian. When I was a little girl.

I like Philip Lim. I didn't see this collection. Because the photos were simply too small. Whatever. Fine. Who cares? That was my note for Philip Lim. Yeah, fair enough.

I'm looking at my notes. Yeah, Philip Lim, I just wrote pics too small. Can't see them. I have some good bags from Philip Lim. Yes, I bought my sister a clutch bag from there. I have a clutch. I have a good clutch that I bought on like Grailed or something. Where do you shop?

I want to know where you guys shop for clothes. Should I spill the beans? Let's say you're like, you're you. Let's say you're like physically or digitally. Where do I shop? Oh, no, let's say you're just like browsing. Like when I, OK, for instance, like when I'm in bed late at night, I'll like scroll through Grailed or Essence.

OK, I don't have any other place to shop online. I have some fucked up scoops. ukes.com. I absolutely regret saying this because they're going to they're going to they're going to take it away from me. But the user interface is so poor. It's so poor. I've known about Ukes and I still have yet to really use it

because the user interface. It's so poorly merchandised and they'll like replicate entries. And it looks like shit. No, it's like just an Italian brand. They actually own, I think, like the Outnet the same. Yeah, the same brand, whatever conglomerate owns the Outnet. And they it looks like shit. The user interface is horrible.

The search is horrible. But I'd be getting all of my Margiela Balenciaga like Mu Mu. I bought a beautiful, insane, like distressed leather Mu Mu jacket. From ukes.com for like $500. Oh, so it's insane. Yes, satir.com, baltini.com. I love all the like Italian distance sites. Glam mood, which Hagi put me on to.

That's where I shop. I just shop on like the discount euro. Do we do all shop in Italy, actually? Yeah. Because Italy, when you shop in Italy, you can have that which is dark. OK. But you get basically like Euro discount.

OK. So you can get like a Prada puffer for like $1,000 versus like $2,500. Not that I would ever do that. Yeah. Personally. I am an avid user of the RealReal that I also consigned to. So I have store credit. And then I have many saved keyword searches.

I have one search that's just one night I went through and liked every brand that I like. And so I can see just everything as it comes in. That's why I have Grailed. Yeah. Yeah, it's similar to Grailed. But I like the user interface on the RealReal more. But I do buy stuff on Grailed.

Well, Grailed is like very men's. Yes. Grailed is like my probably, I would have to say, my favorite store just because there was not really, like I don't really go on like Mr. Porter. Like there was so many. Does that still exist? Yeah.

There's so many men's sites that I just don't, I can't even look at. Oh, but by the way, also Revolve and Forward are good because you can get good promo codes. OK. Nice. These are actually great tips. I don't have, yeah.

I mean, I'm on the RealReal. I go on Grailed. I love to buy handkerchiefs to tie in my hair. Like so I get lots of. Like a ponytail or like a scarf? No, like a scarf. So I get lots of Kenzo. I get lots of like Japanese handkerchiefs on Grailed.

Also Etsy. I go on, I do shop on Etsy. Look on Grailed for Pierre Cardin vintage handkerchiefs because they have really beautiful ones. Can you, do you remember like the foliage? I'm going to do the Eric Cardin. That could be one of my favorite designers. It's my, like hands out in the original row.

My favorite designer, my mom's wardrobe was Pierre Cardin. My leather jacket. And she looked beautiful. And it's a PC. Yeah. And I've always had this, I wish I would have wore my Pierre Cardin jewelry. I had this huge.

It was so good. My go-to leather jacket is Pierre Cardin. I've always had this, this, this fantasy that I was going to take over Pierre Cardin and like be the. You should wait. That's a great idea. You should revive it.

I've always wanted to. In Paris, there's a weird Pierre Cardin store that's like never open. That's something like every once in a while. And they have like weird old archive. It's really cool. You should take over Jones, New York. Oh yeah.

That's another actually like low key good brand. That's one of petite sophisticate. And yeah, they're good. Jones, New York or my like Etsy power searches. Now I need that. Paul, what are those? Underneath the Pierre Cardin. Pierre Cardin, Paul Gupa.

Oh my God. It's like a little heart, a curse of heart. Yes. Yeah. What was the other like mall brand Elizabeth something? Small brand Elizabeth, Elizabeth, Elizabeth. Liz Claiborne. Liz Claiborne, yes.

This is my mother's wardrobe in the 90s. Pierre Cardin, Liz Claiborne. And it kills me. My mom is like taller than me. So we do not wear the same size, but she has so many like nice like little pieces and outfits from the 90s that she bought at Macy's for like, I don't know, like $20, $30.

Yeah. It's impossible. Cause it was a different time. Those were the days. And she, she, my aunt just gave me some of her old Gucci bags, like these Gucci like zip pouches. Cause you would buy them in Macy's with the perfume and the bags would just come from.

Yeah, they would. Yeah. There's a really good line in serial mom where she goes to the parent teacher conference and she's like, oh, I love your blaze. And then when we go, it's Liz Claiborne. It's Liz Claiborne. Yeah, Liz Claiborne's.

Okay. That's it. That's the thing. I would love to take over at Liz Claiborne. We need to bring back Pierre Cardin and Liz Claiborne. Yeah. I love to buy.

I love to search for Claiborne men's shirts cause they have really nice prints. Good to know. And that's- They look like a good paisley. They do a good pais, I love a paisley oversize kind of like thin blouse. And that's one of my, one of the things I go on Etsy for.

But now, not anymore. Now that these piggies are going to get there. There's snouts all over them. And closing. Did we cover it? I think we really got it all. We did an hour 40. Oh, we killed it.

Whoa. Okay, Paul, can you plug your podcast slash show yet again? So some of you remember me from Not Really Podcast. And- Which has not ended. Which has not ended. Not really. It'll be back.

Not really. Not really over. Not really over. We're gonna, Patrick does not know this, but we're gonna do live shows together with Red Scare. Great. Okay. But yeah, I have a solo pod now called Act Bad.

And it's only been going on for a month. And it feels really good to be back and in like, I don't promote it at all. Well, here you are. Because I feel so far- Here you are promoting. Yeah. But yeah.

If you like what Paul has to offer. And we do. Thank you. Check out Act Bad. Patreon.com slash Act Bad. See you in hell. See you. Bye.

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