Red Scare - #FreeBannon

Episode Date: August 21, 2020

The ladies discuss Steve Bannon's surprise indictment, the DNC's cringe shenanigans, Marianne Williamson's posting game, and the latest "New York is dead" genre piece.

I Be back your back Nature's repairing itself or back in Anna's old apartment Yeah, the neoliberal war room in honor of our father figure and political mentor Steve Bannon Damn Um, I hope he's okay. I hope he's not scared. Yeah He's brave That's what I love about him. His hand looks good. I don't know what people are on about. I know

Going on the pod was good for him. Yeah, I gave him a little confidence maybe to Layer a third shirt It is I do I was I do think it's so sweet how flattered he was by it. Oh, yeah, our Our compliments Oh Well, I Actually didn't make up A style I might like

Be like a marketing guru and re-release that episode this weekend or something in honor of his indictment What's he indicted for like mail fraud or something? He? um, I guess Took funds to build the wall He like started some organization that was supposed to Finance the wall. I can't believe they're crowdfunding the wall. Yeah I guess it was like some it's it's some amputee made the go fund me Uh-huh, and then that he needed to prove that he was connected to some kind of like

Organization that would siphon the funds to the wall that he wouldn't just pocket it But then he ended up taking and amputee pocketed the funds. How did he do that if he was an amputee now? We know it was going on with that acid bath So yeah, so he's in trouble for like Which is I guess it's a federal crime. Yeah I Yikes, I mean this friend of the pod seasonal click form worker tweeted today came out of a long hiatus to tweet Um, regarding Bannon's arrest, like though, I guess he's not arrested. He's just indicted

I'm not sure the left wants to initiate the precedent of legally prosecuting nonprofits who over promise and under deliver And I thought like well, yeah, if they come for ban and they have to come for a Sean King aka talcomax he misappropriated a lot of fun sure his like post 1619 project Frederick Douglass like media platform spin-off thing That never came to fruition. What was it supposed to be? Didn't they have a pod? They did have a pod. It was supposed to be like a black media platform. Oh, like BT for politics, but it never Came to fruition for whatever reason. He's such a grifter. Yeah, but I there's a fine line between like, you know

A grifter and a person who just can't get their shit together. It's hard to say It's true. Maybe he had every intention of starting to build the wall. That's why we Keep expectations low here. Yeah at Red Skirt pod. We don't They should just build a wall out of those like BLM building blocks that Liz Warren had Background of her speech. They just make an interest like a BLM wall mural wall Perfect. That seems like a good good use of funds to me. Yeah Yeah, they could hire some laborers from the other side of the wall to paint the mural Because it looks like that wall never went up. Yeah, I want to know what Bannon spent the money on

That's a good question. Probably some Hawaiian shirts. Outstanding dads. Yeah He probably had a I'd love to see like an uncut gems ask Bannon epic where he has to Come up with some money and pay off some debts. Yeah, play some bets his bookies are coming after him I guess the produce a little indie movie Mel Gibson would be great in a Bannon biopic You know same kind of bristly hair and broken capillary look when I personally like in a man Eugene can direct Hmm friend of the pod Eugene has a new movie out called spree starring stranger things Joe Keery

as He's hot Joe Keery plays like a aspiring social media influencer who goes on a killing spree Lola Kent has a very Exciting cameo really for the for the Vanderpump heads Yeah, it's on. I don't know itunes Amazon just Google it Apple TV. It's called spree. This is like an Elliot Roger style uber caper. Is that the idea or kind of yeah? Yeah, like a

archetypal sort of in cell aspiring influencer Okay, Uber driver sounds great. I mean I haven't watched the movie, but I will reassert my unironic love of wobble palace Oh, thanks. I love that movie. I saw it and you were at like a test screen really on before we were even really really friends Thanks Yeah, Mazel Tov to Eugene. Yeah Good luck Eugene. The New York Times gave it a bad bad review. That's a good thing Which is yeah, basically about a confidence. What did they say about it? Um that it was like

Kind of gory and crass and disgusting and it's like portrayal of violence or something. It was some Yeah, I'm They've never really endorsed me over it. Yeah at the failing in my times. They felt they've got Dasha derangements I mean, I think I think look It's good to be Insulted by the New York Times and it's good to be ignored by the New York Times if you're praised by the New York Times You're doing you know you're in trouble. Yeah, you're a loser Yeah

And they have a long tradition of I've they gave like Dr. Strangelove a bad review and natural born killers There was an op-ed about clockwork orange basically that was about How liberals found it to be so like Repulsive and fascistic they called Kubrick a fascist after clockwork came out Uh-huh, yeah, I'm mixing them up with like plan ski in that all Jews are kind of It's the common cause exactly

Who's the the film crit at the NYT these days? It was like a second tier one. I don't know. I don't know any There's like a couple I forget I was some woman I don't know some broad Anyway, I'm you guess go watch not I guess unequivocally Don't why so they're showing it at drive-ins to okay cool. Yeah, if you have the means Go to a drive-in. Yeah, I don't sounds fun What I don't have the means to go to a drive-in. Yeah, it sounds fun to go to a drive-in. I would get your boyfriend's car. Yeah

Some New York City is dead discourse. Yeah, I guess what do we have on the docket today? We've been DNC DNC AOC NYC Nice is dead. New York is dead There was a piece in the New York Post about New York being over everyone's sort of debating amongst themselves whether or not it's Irrevocably gone dead. I feel like this is a conversation people have been having forever though Yeah, before the pandemic. Yeah, like every couple of years every couple of years, you know Every time it doesn't work out for you you take to the blogs and and pen a scathing Take down of New York. Yeah, but people are fleeing and real estate prices are dropping

Yeah, they are I I was really unclear about his stats because he said that rental prices to the variety dropped 3% three three But then he was then he said 30 to 15. Yeah, and I was like which one is it unless I'm not getting something But I saw a stat that said that basically vacancies in New York are up by 10 percent, which is a lot That is a lot. That's a lot James Altucher. Yeah, New York City is dead forever in the New York Post He's a comedy for owner and a former hedge fund manager. Damn Seems like he's he of all people has been hit hard by this, but he claims at this time. It's different NYC won't bounce back because work has been

Has become remote culture and food or semi permanently shut down There's like a deflationary spiral and commercial real estate Colleges are in limbo and some are going bankrupt. He cites like all these different reasons. Yeah Well, he says three of the most important reasons to move to NYC business opportunities culture and food. Yeah Those are not really on my List of reasons I moved to New York. I guess business opportunities Is true. Yeah But New York's been fucked since like the 70s. Hasn't it? It's hasn't been like

Yeah, the the claim that he makes is like even when New York was like the Capital of crime in the 70s and 80s. It was also the capital of business, you know, right? And people like young people were streaming into the city to like cut their teeth or whatever But yeah, I don't know I mean the picture that he's like a kind of painting is You know NYC is a kind of like shrine or mausoleum To itself. I mean, I don't know. I think that all this shit is cyclical

Of course and it's inevitable that New York will bounce back Just like maybe not in your terms and not in your lifetime, but whatever I know Yeah, you're old you should leave New York. He lives in Florida now. Maybe he's like Steve He said he left after the George Floyd protest started That he sort of stuck it out through the pandemic, but when the unrest I love that too. He's like, I'm not racist. The protests were totally good, but when I saw those a black Setting off fireworks. I have kids Yeah, New York's

Never gonna be dead. Yeah as long as I don't know Chloe 70 is not leaving As long as Chloe's around She has kids now. She's not leaving. I mean, I never say never I guess but yeah, but you know New York's gonna be cooler than ever I think I mean Again, it depends like if you're like a young person, then it's legitimately cool Because I see all these like hot teens canoodling in like the parks and triangles and stuff

It must be great to To be a teen now more than ever you can engage in public sex, you know, yeah public drug use or whatever But he like cites a friend of his who like publish a post debating whether or not to leave and like he cites like this Like a litany of horrors like a homeless person going batshit on pedestrians Single parents with children begging for food on the street a 19-year-old girl being shot and killed across the street from Madison Square Park Yeah, like it Definitely has gotten worse in the last Few months like the whole situation is like out of control. Yeah, definitely. I mean, it's definitely everything but everything is getting worse

California is on fire again. Yeah, and there's not enough like prison labor firefighters to put it out because they all got or whatever It's everything's dead in a way. I felt like This you have to die to be reborn, you know, there's no like place that is thriving Yeah, right. I mean, I don't know. Maybe like one of those like Ibiza style like luxury islands. It's teeming with like Russians But those places are always like kind of soul crushingly spiritually dead even though they're like luxurious and exciting

Exactly the vibrancy of all the the violence and suffering and New York will just lend it more cultural cash I'm like Patty Smith waiting for the M train Maybe I'll start writing poetry again Well, are you are you staying? I mean, I Don't know that's a thing. I don't even know it's but I don't have like any I don't know I feel compelled to stay here because I just feel so comfortable. I'm like an old turtle You've been here for a long time. Yeah, I just got here. Yeah, and And it changed my life. And so I'm reticent to leave. Yeah, I don't want to you know, I

Don't know. I New York's done a lot for me And I do still enjoy being here at times. Yeah, but like winter was rough Lockdown was rough the protests were rough and then the curfews were rough Mm-hmm, but I feel resilient. I feel I thought Kyle and I were talking yesterday about like early core Like back in March or whatever where we thought like, oh my god, we're gonna be like irreparably Traumatized from this. Mm-hmm, you know Like I thought I was definitely gonna commit suicide

Before this thing was over and now I feel kind of fine Maybe it's the Jungian analysis or something, but I think it's just like Yeah like the outdoor Vibes or whatever I think like yeah, a lot of this stuff has nothing to do with New York it just like All this like COVID has been a shitty accelerant for all sorts of like shitty trends that were already long underway Well, yeah, that's why like, you know, who's in trouble like colleges Hollywood the art world

Publishing like all these sort of institutions that were already shitty. I think dead or like Unsustainable on some level that have just like accelerated their decline. Yeah, which which I said to that I say good burn down the colleges You don't need a system higher education. That's like barely functional and also exorbitantly expensive Yeah, that nobody's learning anything held to go to for no reason. Yeah, like most people shouldn't go to college Yeah, like your average like Frog Twitter dude is is more kind of educated than somebody who goes to like a nice Like four-year college just go on. Yeah Twitter University, baby That's where we learned learn at all university. We'll start our own our own uni very a very good price for you

You pay for the low low price of five dollars a month You can access our patreon. I'll teach you a thing or two. Oh our next we should announce We're gonna do a rip lend demands. We're gonna do another movie pod on the next paywalled one. That's right Um, where we will watch days of heaven and out of the blue Mm-hmm and on our of the recently deceased actress than demands who may or may not have been a meth head according to a Nick Pinkerton. Yeah Yeah, I probably that's pretty cool. That is cool. I like um

I'll say this again on the next one, but I like how she she opted out of the industry Not because she was like choosy about her roles, but because she didn't give a fuck and it's probably a drug addict Yeah, it's just like on the honorable way to go. That's the stars. We really deserve. Yeah Shelly Duvall also what happened to her. Well, she kind of well after the shining, I think When Kubrick really tormented her she really in public She dipped out Somewhat gracefully, but then a few years ago she went on dr. Phil and it was clear that she was like really mentally ill Yeah, yeah, she's a little loopy. She's like, um, which was sad because I like to kind of imagine her like

Serenely reclusively leaving the industry. Yeah in like a dignified Private gesture Yeah, but I think she just probably went insane Yeah, probably but I mean that's like the pinnacle of artistry. I think Jack said this it's like embracing your mental illness Yeah, holy and like comprehensively I'm gonna go and Jack the perfume nationals. Oh, yeah, that's how I cast the perfume In September to watch ghost world also nice. Yeah quite a formative film for me is

some might guess Yeah, original Anna and Daja Yeah, um, it's crazy how like I'm just like so impressed other podcasts. They like really schedule things out They're like, so are you available in four weeks time? And I'm just like what I got like an email from some kind of producer Yeah, yeah with like a like a call sheet. We should look into something. I know I'm just like We're just we're we're trying to read and trying to wrangle Kamar now for I'm like weeks guessing email addresses. I'm like mat.tiebe at hotmail.com

come on the pod God I mean, this is how we got banned and we cold emailed him And he was down and that man responded and what does that say about us and what does it say about? very dark Uh, he was busy in the war room pandemic who's gonna maybe we could take over his pod. Yeah, that would be great Um, I'd have him on again. I would too but but to talk about something like frivolous and stupid like uh fashion

Or indie movies. I hope he doesn't go to jail because I would love to have him on like at the beginning of september for fashion week Or like Roger Stone. New york is over now that fashion week isn't happening anymore um New york's a state of mind, you know, yeah Empire state of mind if you will ugly and withering state of mind and It's always kind of sucked here, but that's it's It's charm and its strength and the reason I feel like I flourished here

was because I It's good for me to have like adversity to struggle against to structure your life against exactly Whereas in LA where it's, you know extremely pleasant most of the time I was really like Linguishing yeah, because I had to cultivate all this objection internally to meet some kind of quota that I have That I require and in new york all the objection was outside

So I could like rise to the occasion, you know, yeah, exactly. I mean, it's easier to live this way It's easier to some people structure their life around and it's good for you to be around Bumps during their shit at you So To be around people who are lower on the hierarchy totem pole No, but it's great some people structure their lives around like working out or like talk therapy And I like to structure my life around like getting really frustrated with like the guest worker Dunkin Donuts simply

We took a little too long to make my like cow phlegm latte dodging Yeah dodging rats and garbage. Yeah I think like I think a lot of the problem with new york also is that um Back and like I think there's no more like no bless so bleach like there's no more like rich tycoons and industrialists who invest in the infrastructure All all the elites are like tourists. They're global citizens. They don't have any but minus all the kind of

Typical obligations that being a citizen of something entails Like they use the world as their playground. I either dumpster. They don't really Stick around they're not invested. Yeah. Yeah, like back in the day like, you know Uh, the elites Were just the people who were at the top of the hierarchy within their community Now the elites have no community but the community of other elites and it's like, you know They they built public works and made philanthropic donations to the causes that were specific To their immediate milieu and now it's all all these like philanthropic like operations are like

Vaccinating children in Africa against fertility or whatever. It's like sterilization Right. Vaccination against fertility. Yeah Like, you know bill gates is like pretending to give medical treatment to africans because he Wants to like sterilize them. Yeah, and like some of you capture their labor before the chinese get around to it I mean, there's all these like shady like multinational global whatever um But that's probably why

Why new york? Yeah, new york sucks because everybody now more than ever because like nobody belongs here anymore Right. No one's invested. That has any money Yeah, well, it's a hedge fund managers are leaving then I got it But i'll probably i'll stick around. Yeah, we'll stick it out. It is it's one of the best places to be a filmmaker I think Yeah, it's very

I don't know Making a movie in new york has like Real advantages over other places like what? Like getting this set of movie in new york and no one really cares if you fill out in the street like technically you're not um You're allowed to film Like handheld out in the street if you have like a skeleton crew. Okay, but if you put like Sticks up no one really cares

You know no one was I don't know I had a good experience making scary. Yeah, it was fun. It was like a hit-and-run. Yeah, exactly You guys seemed to know what you were doing. There was a lot of men handling equipment nice boys nice equipment It was like a real kind of 1970s camera crew Yeah, like unwashed Jewish men Hardcore, yeah What else is on the docket and and also I think like hollywood is Dead right hollywood's truly dead like the studio system is sort of dead

bankrupt, I saw a really perverted kind of like polyamorous Commercial that was like for a serial. I think it was the one with the toucan Uh Fruit loops, but it was like totally animated But it took place in like a real kitchen because they were trying to get around Uh, you know grooming children for the role. Oh, yeah, but the toucan seemed like super like prided out Like he was like extra rainbow pattern extra flamboyant. Yeah I don't know. Maybe you're

I didn't see it. I don't know it was on brava. Um, what else are we talking about? Um, the dnc. It's still happening the dnc The democratic national convention is in effect I don't know who I haven't been watching it. I haven't either. I was too busy on sex to watch the democratic national convention I was watching billions. Yeah I don't know who would I didn't realize it was more than one night. It just goes on and on it. There's it's tonight as well At tonight's maybe the last one night

Um, is this the yeah, I guess so last night was liz Liz Warren Adult diaper fetishist has been more a contender very fittingly in some kind of like weird, uh, baby room Stealing with BLM box. Yeah pretending like she's a teacher Yeah, she should have like been in a when I was raising my daughter as a single mother She should have done like a teepee Yeah Casino or something that would have been a better creative direction for her. I think

uh Kamala hill dog and obama all made speeches all the usual ghouls. It's funny that um It's funny to think that um, Liz Warren probably got some like black intern to arrange those blocks on the shelf just so Um Mary Ann was very Dutifully sort of live tweeting the previous nights. Yeah, and then last night posted a picture of biden and kamala on instagram and said like That she was all in on supporting them, which really shouldn't be a surprise because she said

early on that she would Um support biden no matter what but yeah, it's still that's what they all say pretty disappointing. Yeah um But she's also apparently starting a third party Yes with mcgravel Yeah That sounds cool. I mean, I would unironically and earnestly join that third party. I guess I mean, I was a registered independent before 2016 okay, and then you had to register as a democrat to support bernie sanders. I'm literally like

It's got fully cucked by The dnc. I like gave money to bernie. I just funneled back into it. And so I feel a little scorned a little literally cuckolded and so I'm Definitely not voting especially not for biden. Yeah, not my problem. Yeah. Why would you vote? I mean like I I felt great These past two days not watching the dnc and like not giving shit about politics and I'm like, this is actually how life should be Again that should should just be running in the background Exactly. I don't know what's going on with the mailboxes

They don't really care to find out it seems like a sigh off It seems bad Yeah, it does seem I don't know about the mail-in voting or the yeah the mailboxes Seems like the usps is just persecuting their political enemies Because they were involved in the in the bannon Yeah, they're they're like they have like an investigator in the case. It seems like, you know, they think why is the post office?

Going after Steve bannon but I think well because I think they think they're hoping that trump is going to like choke in november So I think they're making like an example at a bannon. I don't think this is a post office to post office sigh up But I did it watch you have to say about all of them Um, I watched some of the highlights or like skimmed the highlights of the dnc I watched yeah like a cnn literally like a two-minute highlight reel And I watched the they did a little immigrant

immigration thing with a Hispanic girl whose mom got deported Was very sad. What happened? What? um, they aired like a little video of a 11-year-old girl whose mom was an illegal immigrant who married a um Married and had children in the u.s. And then was deported very sad story, but very it means propaganda. It's all just propaganda

Why the fuck would I just kids and cages exactly? Why would I sit down and watch? Yeah, the obama administration said my mom could stay and then trump took her away for no reason Yeah, I love that. It's like Making videos about the the people that trump deported even though obama deported plenty of people too exactly um that um That um big titty scottish socialist girl with the flaming red hair and glasses. I forget her name She's like some chick on the internet was talking about how um

She was like obama. Here's a question for you. Why is guantanamo still open? Yeah, I was like, I'd love to see him answer that during a You know dnc hours, but it was like yeah, so it was like aoc kind of symbolically endorsing bernie, but actually endorsing biden And yeah, it was very it was very confusing. It wasn't merely an endorsement. It was like a A nomination. Yeah, because he met some quota Our whole electoral system is so broken michelle obama said some shit bill clinton was up in there looking like death He's a little adrena chrome levels must be low

Um bernie showed up to like prop up biden's cadaver called him a fascist essentially and and trump Yeah, or trump, right? Yeah, and I'm not oops the Freudian slip. I'm not gonna lie I think bernie looked really good. He looked very thin and rosy. Yeah I mean, I'm I can't stay mad at him It's just unfortunate Yeah, am I an idiot for donating money to the bernie? No, I don't Don't get so down on yourself sister. It's fine Just remember when he like won in nevada in february and there was I I had a moment

Yeah, where I was like, maybe we'll win I mean a lot of people were under that impression and he like galvanized people look I've done bad things for politics I've sent steve bannon features of my butthole Yeah, we all get caught up in our Our emotional convictions It's fine. It's just like, um, yeah, and I don't know somebody was tweeting that like, um, they were confused by AOC's nomination of bernie and

If you were you're not alone. Dada and AOC responded if you were confused, no worries Convention rules require roll call and nominations for every candidate that passes the delegate threshold I was asked to second the nom for senator sanders for roll call. I extend my deepest congratulations to joe biden Let's go win in november Um, and it's funny because AOC spoke for like something like all of 90 seconds Like it was a very short period of time and she looked like all polosified Interesting. She's on that weird adrino chrome tip too. No, she looks extra like embalmed. I mean, you know glazed Yeah, you think they didn't

um feature her more to sort of so biden doesn't seem to like Radical or something. Yeah, that was like kind of the allegation that the new york times is making that she that the outsized publicity she receives Uh disproportionately mag magnifies her views. Um, she's gonna run around in four years, huh? She's what she's gonna run in? I think there's some shady. Well, she's not old enough to run in four years. She is right She's 30 now, but she's like she would be 35 or before All right, gotcha. Okay. So I think she does qualify, but

Once again, not an expert on politics whatsoever Um, but the quote was giving her a prominent role in the convention probably would have also provided grist for president Trump and republican allies who have sought to paint mr. Biden as the puppet of left-wing democrats like misocasio-cortez And it's like funny because if you remember a couple of months back, she was one like begging biden for like concessions and positions within his like future cabinet Um Puppet because he's a literal cadaver. Yeah, yeah

But like this is a woman who's a boilerplate democrat. Like I understand it's sort of strategic And strategically important for like centrists and conservatives to play up what a radical leftist she is Right, but she's literally just an establishment like dnc aparachek and I mark my word 20 years from now She's going to be just as reviled as Pelosi and clinton. Yeah Um, I think yeah, you'll be vindicated in that prediction Yeah, if she manages to like attain to rise to their level of power, which is totally possible completely, of course But it's insane that like, I mean, it's funny because trump is out there calling Kamala a radical leftist Of course, and she's more conservative than he is

No, I'm serious like she's more conservative on prisons and she's more conservative on like gay, right shit like it's like totally not like theater Um, what else happened? Oh there was that the billy porter Buffalo springfueled rendition. Oh, yeah, there is some song and dance members billy eilish Kale was also randomly there Oh, yeah, she gave a real low energy kind of like we have to She seems an hedonic totally

I mean yeah, everyone's just sort of parroting the party line of like the important thing is to get the bad orange man out. Yeah. Which I don't know. I mean, as I said, once again, non-voter here, but if like the Trump derangement syndrome ends, maybe it's fine. Maybe it's good to get Biden in there just to kind of pump the brakes. Yeah. Kind of like hysteria. Exactly. Trump. Yeah. If it'll pacify the lips enough so that they'll stop like making me read white fragility or whatever. Maybe it's it's okay. I'm like resigned to being doomed anyway. Yeah, me too. And I think like

if Biden wins, the leftists will get a new lease on life because they can go back to what they do best, which is bashing liberals like narcissism of small differences. Yeah. It'll be just like easier and more peaceful for the rest of us. Yeah. Who are trying to like self eject from political commentary. So get out there and vote. Just when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in. There was like an interesting article that I read to that and you know, it's like Marianne who by the way, I love and we can talk more about Marianne later. But you know, yeah, she even capitulated on the Biden thing. She was always going to. Yeah, she has to everybody. They all fall in line Bernie. And I'm like so tired of beating like a dead horse. But you know, people

are so alarmist and hysterical about what a bad president Trump is that they it's like the boy who cried wolf like when he actually does bad stuff, it just gets drowned out. Bless you. And if everyone's mind is so clouded, it makes it hard to like talk about things in a clear-headed way because people like, but the babies and cages and it's like, you know, there are babies and cages throughout American history, let alone through like world history. But Jacob had this article recently called how Trump got his right wing New Deal victory. Trump just scored a victory for workers at the Tennessee Valley Authority, but on the rights reactionary anti-immigrant terms, all while the socialist left was AWOL. And the basic just as that he saved 200 union jobs

from being gutted outsourced to like multinational IT consultancies has like a symbolic short gesture, like he doesn't give a shit, nobody in his administration gives a shit. And the 200 jobs in question were like 20% of this Tennessee Valley Authority's like in-house IT team. This is boring. I'll keep it short. I'm listening. No, I'm listening. And this PBA thing is like some public utility holdover from the New Deal era as 10,000 employees, 5,000 of them are unionized, da, da, da. And it was trying to basically leverage the market, to bust the union's outsource labor. And nobody on the left said anything.

But Mr. Trump said no way. Yeah, but Trump said no, no, no. And there's some talk of him basically, so basically the article outlines kind of this demoralizing and degrading situation by which the workers who were not only laid off in the midst of the lockdowns had to, as insult to injury, remotely train their replacements, which were like H1B guest workers who were getting paid less, we're not getting benefits, we're not unionized. But you know, it's the disgusting kind of exploitative labor thing, that like whatever, in their words, helps companies bust the unions and hire cheap labor,

etc. And of course, like Tim Cook and Elon Musk and all these guys swooped in were like paying lip service, like making pleas to like the rich and diverse immigrant history of the nation. Because they like the cheap guest workers classic. But yeah, I mean, this is all depressing and shitty that nobody gave a shit. I mean, like Jacob and the Intercept reported it. But it's like, okay, so we're going to browbeat Trump for doing the right thing because he did it for the wrong reasons. Yeah, who cares? Take your battle. Isn't that pragmatism? Isn't that what you guys always like? It's funny because like they won't give him like they. No, they never did. They never like the second Trump took office. It was like resistance became more important than making

political advances. Yeah, ideologically. Yeah, and it's like, you know, he did he did something in this like shady and dirty way, but it was good. But we can't recognize it because his motives were bad. And it's like, who cares cares? Everyone's motives are bad. They're politician. I know. But anyway, should we talk about Marianne or the well, the Billy Porter thing was like, I think the highlight of the DNC dog and pony show. Yeah. Well, there's more in star tonight. We still won't be watching. I don't even know how to watch the DNC. It's probably like on on TV. MSNBC or CNN. Yeah. I guess that's who it's for. Who it just seems like, if you're watching the DNC, you're on board with voting them, it doesn't seem like there. Yeah.

Well, yeah. And I guess I don't know where they converting anyone to their cause. Yeah. But that's the thing, like, nobody's being converted to any cause. I'm curious what the voting situation is going to be like in the next election, probably really depressed and bleak. Yeah. Like, you don't have to make a big stink about the mailboxes or the ballots because nobody's going to vote anyway. What's going on with the mail? I don't know. I think this is like, I haven't like I said, I haven't read that Matt Tatebe article, but I think he's makes a claim that like, Trump is actually doing something really grotesque with the mailbox stuff. But since we're so committed to calling him a bad orange man and every like symbolic claim, we can't even assess this

like, right, correctly for what it is. Like, we can't, you know, like with most presidents, admittedly, what happens is like, they do some bad things and they do some good things and they're praised for the good things and criticized for the bad things. And then eventually the bad things are forgotten. And yeah, let me just look at the nostalgia people have for even like the Bush administration now. It's like, yeah, truly Trump derangement syndrome. Yeah. I don't remember people being as kind of like hateful and hysterical about Bush. And a lot of people really hated Bush. I mean, I was like sentient back then. I was less sentient and I definitely wasn't like political. But I remember, yeah, like people protesting the Iraq war and stuff. Yeah, people,

I mean, people really hated the Iraq war and rightly so, but there was a lot of it's hard to say. Yeah, I remember there being a lot of venom for the for the Bush administration. But it's all everything just gets the culture amnesia is definitely real. But yeah, but it wasn't nearly again, it's like histrionic and hysterical as it was for Trump. You know what it is? It's because Trump's a woman and they're sexist. They hate women. They hate women. They hate their their shrill hysterical voices. And he courts that I mean, yeah, he's just a really good avatar for for Libs to project their hysteria onto. Yeah, I think like if I was going to psychoanalyze it,

I think the reason people hate Trump so much is because he reminds them of themselves. Like he reminds America of their kind of like low nutrition, middle brow kind of like right crispy tan suburban. The leader we deserve. Yeah. But you think people have, yeah, there's some like dissonance between liberal aspirations. Yeah, that's why they like Merkel so much. Yeah. Everybody wants to think like in that milieu, everybody wants to think that they're like kind of like a Beto or a Buddha judge, like aesthetically, but they're really a Trump, you know, and they like hate themselves for it. Right. Which like, I don't think you should be ashamed of what you are.

I mean, I'm just saying it's bad. This is my whole thing with like, they should have embraced. Yeah, they could have embraced Trump and he wouldn't have been so, he would have been probably easy to negotiate with if there wasn't like this overt kind of resistance. Like we could have gained a lot more. Yeah. Libs, the left, whatever we, I don't know. Like he's not, he's truly not like a fascist. He's not. He's too fat and lazy to be fascist. He's not Lukashenko. He's like, like you can make headway with him because he just wants to be like praised and admired. Yeah. And in fact, you know, sorry. Did you see that video of Baron, by the way? Oh yeah. I was, he's like, what, six foot? He's the tallest boy in the world.

Nine? He's getting so, he's looking very Slavic. Somebody was speculating that he has a Marfan syndrome. He doesn't have Marfan syndrome. He's just a growing boy. No, he's, well, I mean, his legs, he is teetering around on those long, long legs. He must have so many fainting spells. He's so, such a sweet boy. I know. I feel for him. I really want to see him get drafted into the NBA. That'd be so sick. I hope he's like, athletic. He's definitely not athletic, dude. No, there's no way, but it sucks because he's like, basically low IQ and probably autistic, right? And there's not much he can do kind of intellectually. I think it's very clear that

he's on the spectrum. Yeah. And there's a lot of YouTube videos that you could watch. Do you think Baron is friends? I know. How could he? Yeah, I guess that's true. No, I think he's very lonely. He kind of is like, you know, he doesn't seem comfortable in front of cameras. I mean, I wouldn't be comfortable too if I was like seven foot three. No, exactly. Coward. Yeah. I mean, maybe he's not even low IQ. Maybe he's like, has some like rainmanship going on. I don't know. He's definitely, but there is something wrong with Baron because of his father's rotten sperm. I've said it before. Look, I'm mad at me. But he's like his geriatric dad nutted inside Melania. Yeah. Out came a beautiful retarded boy.

He's 14 or 15. Yeah. She's 46. Yeah. So where does that put her in terms of giving birth, asking for a friend? Is she 46? I think so. Yeah. She's almost 50. Okay. So she had him 35 or so. Yeah. She had him at like a normal, all normal-ish age for people in America at least. Yeah. Very old for Slavic women. For Slavic women, we don't. We have. That was like the highlight of the DNC for me. She was in Lubejana. Was the totally unrelated footage of Baron being like eight foot tall. It was really cool. It's like, yeah. Is there an RNC? Yeah. There is. And Laura Loomer and that kid who yelled at or got yelled at by liberals

or yelled at liberals are speaking like it's a real grab bag of like deplorables. Oh yeah. The gun couple. Yeah. The gun couple are speaking. The boy who laughed at the Native American guy. Yeah. Who smiled at the Native American guy. That sounds more fun. It'll be more fun. At least they have more like meme potential. Laura Loomer won some seats in Florida. Florida. She won some like Republican district, which is hilarious and great. Actually gave me hope because I was like, damn, you could just like run for office somewhere in America. Remember when she was chaining herself outside Twitter HQ? Yeah. Look at her now. Yeah. She's been banned from everything. Like she's totally banned on all social media platforms and she managed to like

snag a seat, which is like cool because it means that like, you know, social media is not the real world. Why do people hate her? Cause she's Islamophobic. Yeah. I think she's just like a chaos agent. She's like everybody on the right. She just wants attention. Yeah. She's like Alex Jones or Roger Stone. The gun girl. Yeah. Gun girl. There's, there's a lot of these like just like insane, the left couldn't ever artist types that now exist solely on the right. And they're pretty probably all in all like shitty artists and whack people. But I think they're committed just like so that the only thing they're committed to is like so in chaos. They don't have any principles or like morals or anything. Right. Political theater is emphasis on the theater

for them. Yeah. But that's still better than what's happening on the left because it's a lot of people pretending that they care about the working class. Right. They don't. They don't. It's just like that's embarrassing. Like this is my thing too. There's nothing bad or shameful inherently about being middle class and representing your own interests. Well, what do you mean when you say middle class? I know everybody asks, but I mean, whatever middle class means to you, I mean, to me, it means a specific thing to other people. It means another thing. I'm not talking about like upper middle class people necessarily. But like, well, I think people used to overestimate their class position. Yeah. And now they underestimate. So there's just a lot of like discord and what

people mean when they talk about class. But I'm you know, my overall point is that like, this is a statement of fact, not value. There's nothing embarrassing about the fact that the vast majority of like prominent leftists who organize on social media come from middle class backgrounds. Right. It doesn't make you a bad person. It's like, okay, dude. But I think like neither the right nor the left really materially cares about working class people that much. Are you is the middle class working class? I mean, it depends on, you know, on which end of Michael Lynn's horseshoe theory, right? You are at my thing is this also people think that they're that the culture war is actually a class war. I'm saying the class war is actually a culture war.

It's like people's contempt for Trump because he's a person who's extremely economically upper class, but extremely culturally lower class. That's why he's so disgusting to people. Right. And what what kind of like if feet elite middle class urbanites are repulsed by are people who are culturally working class. So that means the actual working class to begin with for starters. But it also means these kind of small business middle class people who are among the few who didn't need that elite degree to make more money than your average like adjunct, right? You know, and they deeply resent those people. I mean, it's so obvious. I agree. I don't disagree. And that's why I think the left is also so preoccupied with like

Soviet aesthetics. Yeah, you know, unpack that this is an interesting angle. I'm just riffing here, but it seems like yeah, because they're so uncomfortable with they can't generate their own sort of aesthetics. So they have to use they have this like nostalgia for like quote classless society and anything that like and it's offensive to their sensibilities, this kind of like right American provincial middle class aesthetic that Trump really does is like tapped into. Yeah, exactly. They're much more comfortable with totally borrowing like somebody else's like totally foreign left aesthetics. Yeah. Yeah, space dogs. Never mind that. Like, yeah, but it's I mean, yeah, totally. That's like what's

going on. I was thinking, I mean, this like dawned on me and one of my like drunken stupors or whatever. And it's just like, yeah, man, oh my god, but it's true. It's like a very much like on the level again of like aesthetics and sensibility. Yeah. And I think like I can imagine it's probably infuriating for people who have who are like credentialed to the gills who have done everything right, who have done everything by the book to be outperformed economically by some guy who's like an electrician or a plumber or has like a moving company or something, right, or like construction company. Well, there's a lot of people on the left, the coastal elites, whatever, who are like over educated. Yeah. And there's just not enough jobs to there's like, it seems like there's a

collective kind of discontent amongst over educated libs. Yeah. That's made them more like quote, left, leftist. Yeah. And that's like, you know, we have a alleged political realignment, but that's the economic realignment. Interesting. Yeah. The kind of like culture elites are the new economic pearls. And they're like, not going to go down easy. They're going to like go out swinging. And they've read all that theories. Yeah. They've spent all those times in the ivory tower and they're not coming down without a fight. Yeah. But I'm listen, I'm a big advocate of like compassion and seeing things from all sides and like, you know, whatever, trying to like, whatever, understand one another. And I, I personally think like, like without the middle class,

there is no society. Yeah. Like also, what do you think the working class is working class people and don't let anybody tell you otherwise? Because literally I have sometimes people DMing me that I'm working class and I don't want to be middle class. And it's some guy who makes tapestries on Instagram. And I'm just like, Oh, okay. But like, you know, most working class people surely without a doubt aspire to a middle class standard of living, right? That's what we did when we were immigrants or when we were new immigrants rather, like what our parents wanted, right? Yeah. Like your parents wanted to have more money, not less. Well, definitely. And they wanted me to have more money than them. And I was just thinking also

about kind of the intensity of people's hatred for like landlords also feels like it's touching on this thing that you're articulating where it's like, a lot of the sort of universal condemnation of landlords really ignores that for a lot of the middle class, like acquiring and renting property, it was is a pretty relative, like kind of like attainable, you know, like having two homes and renting one makes you a landlord. Yeah, yeah, it's like aspirational. Yeah. And that the people's like people on the left aren't really sensitive to the nuances of that. Like there's no distinction to them between like a small business owner who's renting out their second home. Yeah. And like a shadowy Chinese or Russian whole commercial real estate holding company. Exactly. Or whatever the

fuck Jared Kushner is running. Exactly. One of those monstrous like conglomerates where they like, like, I guess you're not allowed to say Jip anymore, right? Because it comes from Gypsy, I don't know. You can say Jip. What are the Gypsies going to do to put a curse on you? I'll get you canceled. I'm knocking on one. But yeah, like, you know, like he was like fucking nickel and diming for people on like apartment payments and like fucking Maryland or whatever. But yeah, you know, landlord, like I used to date a guy who was trained as a mechanic and his dad was owned a building in Bushwick, and they were dirt poor immigrants from Ecuador. And this child had, you know, leased himself a BMW and had some gold jewelry. And it's like,

that was the dream. Right. But you know, that's like, nobody wants to have that conversation. They're not ready for it. They're not ready to talk about their contempt for the middle class, which is really a contempt for the working class. I mean, I think the contempt for the middle class, i.e. for like, whatever the PMC contingent of it is overt. And it's like self loathing. And the contempt for the working class is late. And because the left needs the working class to use as a symbolic pawn for their own kind of a champion sort of this like faceless proletariat without any real knowledge or empathy for real working class people. Yeah, like these soulful salt of the earth people who have cookouts with like foil catering or whatever.

I mean, it's and it's not just like whites only it's like Latinx, like people who you like Latinx as a term is something that came out of like upper middle class upper class like university, like cultural elites. Yeah, that doesn't actually read like resonate or have any utility for real Latinx people, you know, wait, what are the origins of Latinx? Who made it up like George Sikarello Mahur or something? Yeah, it's like it's something I don't know if there is a person who can be credited with inventing it or if it's just something that emerged organically out of like academic lexicon or something, but it was probably some like light skinned blue eyed Cuban woman. Yeah, non binary. Yeah, I saw some like infographic about how like most Latino people

not only don't use the world, the word Latinx, but they don't even know what it means. Exactly, like who are we having these conversations and service of really, you know, yeah. But that's why well, you know, speaking of which that's why like Marianne because I find her rhetoric to be on one hand not overly conciliatory. But on the other hand, I find it to be very like unifying. Totally. Yeah, no, because she is clearly a very empathetic person. Yeah. And she has real kind of clarity of mind, clarity of her own value system, not to say that she's like uncorruptible. Yeah, but she but I think like she doesn't talk down to people strangely enough, even though she's in the business of self help. Yeah, it's a weird combination.

I mean, I'm a big Marianne fan. I wish that she was the Democratic nominee. Yeah, I mean, I revise my comments about her when she was running initially, I was like, well, this is I find this debatable and dubious because self help is like, kind of propaganda arm of neoliberalism, dead it up. But you know, now, given the situation, I feel like we, you know, she was trying to do really, yeah, we couldn't do any worse than Marianne. She called it when she was talking about dark psychic forces and shit. Yeah, yeah, I understand why Marxists, materialists are alienated by Marianne because she does speak in these like metaphysical terms often, yeah, per the jargon of self help and stuff. But I just,

I don't know. I think she's a good, a good person. She's a beautiful voice. Yeah. And we would still fuckable. Incredible. Even as a senior citizen. That's how you know her soul is fair. If you're just goes to show if you return to love, yeah, and cultivate a peaceful interior life, you two can peak at 73. You don't have to be jealous of those 22 year olds that are stealing your leftist boyfriend. I'm glad she's back in the news. I mean, it's weird because she is like kind of unanimously likable. Very few people like hate her. But I think like most women who are well liked most people, but especially most women tend to be actually shrill and boring and goody two shoes. Like, you know, like AOC and Megan

Merkel come to mind. But I think like Marianne and Lana are the two women who are almost universally beloved who are actually really cool. Yeah. And like, because they have a dark edge. They have, I think that dark edge is a kind of contact with like the eternal feminine or whatever you want to call it. Yeah, like, yeah, they've integrated their femininity into like their aspirations and their like inherent power. Yeah. And they so they like remain a little bit like dark and stormy, which makes them three dimensional and like sexy. And I like that. No, AOC was like a born theater kid. Yeah, I can't even I should stop even commenting on the kind of aesthetics of AOC, because I also like get what she's doing in terms of like the Joe Biden, Bernie kind of

Kirk Huffle with the endorsement, like it's a pretty smart strategy, because she's kind of sowing discord and confusing people in a deliberate way, which gets them talking about her and politics and Bernie and Biden and all this stuff, you know, and ostensibly, if with like progressive aims, yeah, and she's like culture. Yeah, because they're like, wait, is she actually coming like in hot for Bernie or whatever? And then they're like, Oh, wait, no, look, it's like a she has a bold red lip. I feel so safe. She has them. Yes, she has that that bold red lip and those Sampak eyes. God, she's chill. And that white boyfriend, you know, I mean, we talked about this, I think early on, in back in the primaries, when we were talking about Marianne, how

she the quality of her voice did make her kind of a good candidate, I think, because yeah, it's not alienating to men. Yeah. Men like that, that smoky timber. Yeah. And like, yeah, and I don't I think nobody actually likes that whole like, you are perpetuating a white supremacist patriarchy on the bones of Native American people. Anyway, so there's so Marianne is doing a third party thing. She's gonna have because they didn't invite her to speak at the DNC. Obviously, why would they? Yeah. So she's an honor. Yeah, like, like being panned by the by the times. She's like talking about forming a third party. And she's going to have a People's Convention for Disaffected Progressives later this month, with the help of Mike Gravel. Okay, and Nina Turner and Cornell

Yeah, they have a nice line. So is Chris Smalls the Amazon warehouse employee who tried to organize his fellow workers and was like, horribly and disgustingly smeared by the company as like, unintelligent and low IQ. How come we were invited? I mean, Small said it has become clear that neither the Democratic nor the Republican party truly cares about working class people. Both party platforms think our demands like Medicare for all raising the minimum wage to $30 an hour a wealth tax on the rights unionized without fear of retaliation or radical ideas. Yeah, which sounds like kind of a return to pre 2016. Yeah, sounds pretty articulate to me. Yeah. And Marianne's a good kind of figurehead, I think. For that. Yeah. I mean,

it's weird because she doesn't actually she's not like a political person. And she's not a policymaker, certainly. And she doesn't really talk about the kind of nitty gritty policy. She's not a not a wonk. Yeah, she's not a wonk. But we don't need that. We don't need we've had enough wonkery. It's time for someone with big ideas, big naturals. No, but she's she's like a good synthesis. Yeah. And a good like ideologue and a good I don't know. But she she like testifies to the importance of aesthetics. Absolutely. And the Democrats can't seem to get a handle on aesthetics. And that's why I was like, you know, like that that Billy Porter Buffalo Springfield number, you know, Kyle Kuklinski that he's like a leftist YouTuber, he tweeted like this is the moment that

Trump won the election. And Marianne swooped into the comments. I love that she's been commenting up a storm response to the most. Yeah, people like she's responding to people with like no followers. Yeah, it's crazy, which I relate to going through like a personal crisis or something. I mean, I respond to people with like zero followers. Same. I mean, usually, and for me, there is there's like a direct correlation between like me being upset about something in my personal life, and then me acting out and lashing out on people on the internet. I've been really unpacking it in therapy. It's like, I'm I'll have you know, I'm a size zero, not a size two. It's like some bitch with zero followers. Random. Yeah. Person with no avatar. It's like an egg person. I'm like,

shut the fuck up, bitch. What do you know about Belarus? Yeah, my boyfriend's like you're humiliating yourself. But you don't understand like at gay retard in my mentions all day tormenting me. Yeah, it's like gay retard 69. Anyway, but yeah, she's been responding, which makes me think that she's like going through like late menopause or something, because you know, she can still ovulate because she looks really good. And she thinks she's having her hot flashes and responding to like Samantha Pritchard and Kath Barbadoro. Like she did respond to spiritual leader. I'm a political activist. Got her ass. But she responded to this Kyle Kuklinski guy and was like, see, I disagree. I liked it. And I was like, okay, thank God, because I was starting to feel crazy. I was like,

have I finally become a libtard? I can't say I liked it, but I thought it was I thought it was the most interesting thing going on. Yeah. In that whole, the dams could do with a little more singing and dancing. Well, and Mary, I know she's used to be a cabaret singer. Yeah, she knows entertainment. She's Oprah's spiritual advisor. Yeah, she's like, yeah, she has that kind of Liza Minnelli, Jazzy. Exactly. Cougar energy. No, I mean, it's not, I can't even say I liked it, but it had that psychedelic dementia energy of something Trump would put out. Like, you know, that train ad, the animation. Yeah, it looks like John Raffer made it. Yeah, totally. It had the same vibe.

Exactly. Like it was sublime senility. So I was like, it had an absurdism that matched the tone of the right. Yeah. And it was like kind of an SNL parody of itself. They trotted out Eva Longoria. Bizarre. Who still looks really good for her age. I'll give her that. Of course. Of course. There's a reason she's on an accident. Yeah. She's getting trotted out. What did she do? Is Greta Thunberg around? Is she going to make any appearances? Interesting. She's kind of been. Because no, they did talk about climate change last night, I saw that was they talked about immigration, climate change, all this other irrelevant shit. They, I think they had to pick one Billy Eilish or Greta Thunberg and they picked the more like

a telegenic one. Right. Billy Eilish. Like Greta Thunberg looks like if Julian Assange was like a 14 year old girl. Spalled the line. God, I shouldn't be so, I need to like cool it. It was fine. Yeah. What's she going to do? Sail over here and kick your ass. I don't think so. She probably could. She has that autism. She could fight you. Oh yeah. Yeah. You know, like again, I stand by my remarks about pseudo autism, but clearly women can be autistic because look at Greta Thunberg. Of course. When I was 14, I was trying to. No one's disputing that women can be autistic. I know. But it is less prevalent in women and they aren't kind of fashionable tick talkers typically. Yeah. You got a lot of flack for that. Yeah, I did.

Stand by you honestly. No, I just, I remember myself when I was 14, I was wearing like baggy jeans and trying to get Latino guys to notice me at the regal parking lot. I was not thinking about climate change, the political process. No. Electoral tampering. I was trying to get to get fingered with all my might. That took a lot of my energies. I mean, I wish I never became politically conscious. I want to go back to the womb. It's not for women. I want to go back to the womb. Well, there's still time. It's true. Maybe if Biden wins, we can pivot to something else. We can all go back to the womb. My mom won't have me try. Is there anything else? I don't know. How are we on time? I've done like an hour 10.

That's not bad. It's pretty good. Is there anything else? The EU imposed sanctions on Belarus? Oh, they did. Okay. Predictably. It seems like if Belarus isn't a bit of like a stalemate kind of, there's still Lukashenko's promise to prosecute kind of the oppositional committee members who have formed and feel probably like there'll be another wave of like police brutal police crackdowns and it's just they're in a really tough spot. They're kind of fucked if they do, fucked if they don't. Russia doesn't seem like it totally wants to get involved even though Putin said he would if it came to that. And so Lukashenko seems like he's attempting to stoke kind of like on the border

of Lithuania. Okay. He's trying to escalate maybe to like a militarized conflict, but he said that they'd have to kill him if they wanted to take him out of power. I mean, his wish is their command. There's various shadowy extrajudicial ways. Sure. But until like the military turns on him, which they don't seem to be doing. I don't know. It's unfortunate. I mean, lucky for Belarus, literally nobody gives a shit about their play except for you. Except for me. Yeah. I mean, well, yeah. And like tankies in my mentions trying to say that I'm like a supporter of NATO or something, which I'm not. I mean, my family, my uncle and aunts are like, are Lukashenko supporters? Yeah, they're not. I'm not like

they're Lukashenko relatives. And like a lot of people in Belarus still are. Yeah. And they live there and I don't. So I don't, I don't know. I can't, I don't have like a hard line on on it either way. I just want, I think that like the brutality is super heartbreaking and someone ought to do something. But I know that sanctions aren't really, have never been an effective way of like. Yeah, like freezing people out. Yeah. Belarus is fucked. There always have been. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, I mean, the slobs know that no lives matter. Definitely. Yeah. I've almost, I've gotten, I've almost tweeted Belarusian lives matter a couple of times and just don't get it. Don't. The real BLM. Yeah, that's what the block said.

But they just, they don't seem to. Yeah, they don't matter to anyone. Anyway, see you in hell. Yeah, we'll see you in hell. Please, if you can, watch Days of Heaven and what's the other one out of the blue. Right. Yeah. And tune in on our next Patreon episode. Movie night. Movie night. Yeah, when we will be regurgitating the drunken theories of Nick Pinkerton. Free ban in see you in hell. See you in hell.