Red Scare - FtM&M
Episode Date: January 25, 2022The ladies discuss voting rights, West Elm Caleb and the M&Ms brand makeover....
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What's up, Red Scare Podcast?
How are you doing?
I'm okay. How are you?
I really could be better.
I'm tired and a little depressed.
I don't know.
Like Sunday blues?
It's January.
You know, it's like just a tough time.
Yeah, it sucks.
I'm a little down as well.
Yeah.
But I think I'm...
Yeah, it's just like...
January and New York.
I'm just so mad that people are being prevented from voting.
I have to do some kickboxing.
I have to drink a margarina.
Oh, my God.
No, I think it's just like...
I spent the day cleaning and prepping for the pod,
and it's just like, you know what?
I'm gonna have a good attitude,
and I'm gonna come into this episode.
Oh, wow, good.
Positive and upbeat, even.
Yeah.
I'm not deeply existentially depressed.
It's just like the time.
Yeah.
I was like thinking about the docket on the way over here,
and I was like just sort of taking in the atmosphere of the week,
and kind of was like, oh, yeah.
It sucks.
It's hard to have...
I have very little libido for...
Yeah, me too.
For the state of things.
Jen Psaki.
In these great times, yeah,
my pussy feels as dry as Jen Psaki's.
Tight lift and frigid.
Me and the boys at the gym really hate Jen Psaki.
Really?
Awesome.
That's my new...
Men hate Jen Psaki.
Men, the conservative men that I've befriended at Equinox,
hate Jen Psaki for sure.
I look at that woman and I'm like...
Okay, she's not bad.
She's like a normal looking woman.
She has a cute haircut.
I like her.
I like redheads.
Yeah, she has like...
They usually have really nice tits.
Yeah, she looks like she's smuggling some sweater meat.
She has like...
Ew.
Sorry.
Ew.
Okay.
She has like cute Democrat style,
like Talbot style or whatever.
Yeah.
And Taylor loft.
But like, she's just like so...
Physically and spiritually repulsive,
and I can't quite put my finger on it.
She's the worst person in America.
Well, remember Sarah Huckabee Sanders?
Yeah.
Trump's like press secretary.
She was...
I could barely look at that woman.
She was so ugly.
How could I forget?
She looked like shit.
Yeah.
Like dog shit.
And Saki's easier on the eyes.
For sure.
Than her.
And she was just a craven liar.
Huckabee?
Huckabee Sanders, yeah.
But she was just such a lying hacker.
So, Saki, I mean, that's the job.
Like, that's the kind of person you have to be
to be like a press secretary.
Is your job is to be a fucking liar?
Yeah.
And the lies take a toll on your appearance.
You get the face you deserve,
as we say here on Red Scarpon.
Did we say that?
I say that.
Have we committed to that?
Okay, that's fine with me.
Angelica Houston said it originally.
Yeah.
I'm cosigning, and there's something to it.
I'm not an actress, but my dream is to
gain 80 pounds and play Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
Yeah.
In the movie about the true story of the
Trump administration.
The Trump administration.
Yeah.
You'd have to go really method for that one.
Just get really jolly.
Yeah.
All the bulging eyes.
I wonder, what is that?
Is that hypothyroid or hyperthyroid, the bulging eyes?
I'm going to go with hyper.
It doesn't hyper make you horny.
One of them makes you allegedly skinny,
but I think they both make you fat.
What?
Hyper makes you skinny.
But no one has that.
Why don't people have that one?
Yeah.
Why is everyone so fat?
Hyper makes you skinny and horny.
That's probably what I have.
Hypo makes you fat and sluggish.
Yeah.
But I think hyper also gives you heart problems
and stuff like that.
Because you're amped up.
Yeah.
Anyway.
But yeah, being a White House press person
is really the drugs of...
Yeah.
What's the end game there?
Political career.
Yeah.
But that's what I'm saying.
I don't understand sake because it's not...
I'm sympathetic to all sorts of women.
I'm sympathetic to women who want to be mothers
and don't want to have careers.
I'm sympathetic to women who want to be career women
and have ambitions.
She's like a career woman,
but her ambitions suck in her whack.
She's like a professional liar for Joe Biden.
I know.
I'm going to look at her wiki.
Her wiki?
Yeah.
We should figure out her sign.
Yeah, we're definitely doing that.
This woman has like no redeeming qualities.
She's so gross.
I'm sorry.
She's not.
I'm trying to look at it actually.
They have, she has two kids.
Yeah.
She does.
She's married to Gregory Mecker,
chief of staff to some congressman.
She's like a unique woman who actually has kids,
but reads as profoundly childless.
No, I'm serious.
She's giving childless, definitely.
Yeah.
That like pursed like December 1st.
She's a sage.
Sage.
She must be a sage.
Yeah.
That tracks, I guess, adaptable.
Yeah.
I don't know anything about sages.
It's not really in my wheelhouse that.
No, you don't have a big sage presence in your life.
They're like affable, kind of easy, I think.
They like to travel.
She just like sits in the White House behind that podium.
That's so sad.
Yeah.
Like tight-lipped, po-faced look and like scolds people.
Yeah.
What are you talking about?
Take a kickboxing class and have a margarita.
Because of the voting rights act.
No, no, I know.
But like the Democrats realize how like profoundly alienating.
No, they really don't.
They really don't get how smart like, yeah, you think she'd be more,
she'd be a little more media trained than that.
Yeah.
It's like crazy.
It's like, who are you pandering?
Who?
Who are you talking to?
Yeah.
Like lemon and like spiritual gangster hoodies.
Why don't you sit back, relax and seamless a margarita.
And then you can scold the guy who comes to your door about not voting.
The precarity laborer.
Yeah.
You're, I'm doing it for you so you can vote.
Yeah.
It's like literally just like she's speaking to you.
You only need your fax card to vote and not a form of identification
or excelsior pass.
So I read a New York Times article about this kind of voting rights bill
that was struck down on the Senate floor.
Yeah.
And it just seems like when Democrats talk about voting run for the hills,
because they're, they, they love to, Democrats love to do that thing
where they get like on their high horse and they're like,
democracy is in grave danger.
It's being threatened.
And it's like, what democracy?
Doth does protest a bit too much.
It also feels like they're like gearing up to like, I mean,
Joe Biden is a super unpopular president, right?
He's a super predator president.
Which actually the super predator thing I want to talk about this
because I was watching that Hillary Clinton.
I watched that this is that I'm actually going to,
I'm going to do a double contrarian and come out in support of Hillary Clinton
because I watched that clip recently and she really doesn't say anything racist.
She says super predator and she is talking about gangs
and there are racist implications,
but she's nothing in the actual like language of what she's saying.
And the way people really took that one to the spin zone.
Yeah.
I think is actually more racist even than what Hillary was on about.
That's how it always be though.
I know.
People take a completely kind of neutral, genderless statement
and project their own like,
super predators, you mean the black guys on my block, Hillary?
You bitch.
But no, Biden obviously is super unpopular,
barely sentient and like the dam is getting whipped up into a frenzy
about like the election two years from now or whatever.
Yeah.
It makes me feel like whoa, whoa, whoa.
So they can like preemptively vilify the Republicans.
Exactly.
Literally steal it.
It's like, I don't, I don't want to defend the Republicans.
It's literally the two fake like kleptocratic parties in America.
It's just the Demis are in power.
Yeah.
And they're, it's just the two sides competing over who gets to.
And Mitch McConnell really miffed it when he said African Americans
vote just as much as regular Americans or something.
Yeah, that's American.
ESL statement.
Yeah.
Bit of a myth.
Yeah.
But it's just like two sides competing over who gets to commit the electoral fraud.
That's literally what it is.
Basically, yeah.
And using, using underserved or whatever,
underprivileged communities of color as like a pawn
in their sick and twisted little game.
And it's always insulting because it's just like,
literally it just Democrats speaking to 28 year old female social workers
who coerce poor black people to vote and forge their names on ballots
for their own good.
Wait, what was that?
What'd you learn in this article?
Just that they struck down these two acts and that the,
the Republicans are seeking restrictions on voting,
particularly male voting, because it didn't go so well for them and the,
they only want females to vote.
Democrats want.
That doesn't sound right.
Yeah.
That's not like them.
No more mail.
No more mail.
Yeah.
But, you know, like,
talks like masculine want more male in voting.
The Dems do.
Yeah.
So they can.
So they can fraud.
So they can like write in poor black people's names and like scan the obituaries
and like throw in some.
And they want no voter IDs.
Yeah.
Because the, I guess the, the main argument being that it's discriminatory
because like poor black people don't have IDs or whatever.
Well, you should have an ID to vote that doesn't make any sense.
Yeah.
Then anyone could vote as many times as they wanted to.
And I mean.
Don't give me any ideas.
I would never vote and personally think we should just ban it
rather than having all of this upsetting discourse about fake and gay democracy.
Monarchist.
You just don't do voting anymore and you make storming the capital legal.
And whoever storms it first gets to be in charge.
Oh yeah.
That's not a bad.
Yeah.
It's like hunger games.
Yeah.
Or yeah.
Or we return to like a divinely ordained monarchy system.
Yeah.
I think that the, the pretense that we live in a democracy is, is grading
for most people, which is really why people don't vote.
Yeah.
Not because.
Oh, the people that, that would vote otherwise.
Cause there's also plenty of people who like don't, would never vote and don't give a shit.
It's really.
They're prerogative.
Yeah.
But I think it's fairly easy to vote is my understanding.
Still too hard for me, but.
Yeah.
I mean, if it's hard for you, think about how it is for a poor black people.
Hmm.
But the, the ID thing.
Yeah.
No, but they, they really like pulled out.
It is hard to get an, I didn't have a New York ID for a long time.
Do you have one?
I still don't have a New York ID.
Yeah.
There's like a rapid DMV in midtown that I got my nuts.
That was pretty painless.
I just had to really, because remember I went once like back when I was like with Adam,
he accompanied me to the DMV as my male chaperone.
And I like forgot to bring my like physical social security card and I just was like,
God, that sent me back years.
Like I was like, fuck.
I finally got to the DMV.
We're basically undocumented.
I literally also don't have any documents.
You don't have any documents.
I mean, I like literally just like, I don't know.
They're somewhere.
Have you ever voted for prez?
Yeah.
I have.
When was the last time you, you were down at the ballot box.
I voted in the last election and I voted in.
You voted in the last election for DT?
No comment.
Did you mail in?
Huh?
Did you mail in or did you go to a polling place?
I have to, yeah.
I mailed in because I'm registered to vote in the state of New Jersey and not in the state
of New York.
Word.
Word.
And my mom.
And pretty easy.
You figured it out.
I did IQ, but you know, my mother, the Democrat that she is, she offered to fill my ballot
in for me and send it in.
I said, no, no, no, no, no.
She offered to throw it right in the trash.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That is so.
In this house we ain't riding with Biden.
I think I voted for some proposal to like legalize weed in New Jersey, which doesn't concern
me at all because I haven't lived in New Jersey for like.
Yeah.
That seems like more than a decade.
That seems fraudulent probably actually.
Yeah.
I'm like really airing out all the times that I've committed fraud.
Those don't.
Yeah.
And you voted to legalize it, huh?
Yeah.
Hmm.
I think I did.
I don't know.
I think I did.
Yeah.
In a community that you.
Yeah.
That's going to be ripped apart.
Yeah.
By the marijuana epidemic.
Yeah.
But anyway, something about IDs.
Oh, I should get a New York ID and stop being.
Yeah.
The lazy turd.
Yeah.
Maybe I'll get into voting in my 30s.
I don't know.
I doubt it.
Yeah.
Can't be bothered.
Probably.
It's just, I just, there's nothing to make me feel.
I think I voted for Bernie in the primaries back in like 2016.
Yeah.
And that was it.
And then I didn't vote in the most recent Democratic primaries
because I was in New York and didn't have ID.
Yeah.
And really checked out.
Yeah.
I mean, there's, you know, what's the incentive to vote?
I mean, I, I suppose.
I'll be voting for the SAG Awards, which I am nominated for,
for best ensemble cast.
Congratulations.
Yeah.
Can you vote for yourself?
I think so.
Yeah.
Yeah, you should.
Which I will be doing.
Yeah, absolutely.
Because I haven't watched a Squid Game or Yellowstone.
I'm never going to watch a Squid Game.
Of course not.
That show seems like profoundly repulsive and alienating.
I mean, I liked the Hunger Games, which it seems like.
A version of.
A riff on that like class warfare.
And the Korean girls in it are really pretty, but.
Yeah.
I mean, they're all Korean.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They all look exactly the same.
But you know, the main girl, the main one that, you know,
I started following on Instagram and stuff.
That wasn't a racist joke, by the way.
It was a plastic surgery joke.
Yeah.
No, no worries.
But yeah, I don't know.
Maybe you, you take up voting and I'll give up voting.
Perfect.
That way they'll be.
It's really done nothing for me.
We only need one vote between the two of us anyway.
Totally.
Anyway.
Any more comments.
On voting rights.
Yeah.
No.
It just seems not.
It seems like a giant like deflection activity.
Like the Democrats and the Republicans creating like a weird like false theater.
I mean, I guess that's American politics in general.
There was all this like post office drama during the last election.
Yeah.
And nothing seemed like now we just don't talk about the post office anymore.
Everything's fine.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
I feel, I feel kind of like lame and earnest and cringy saying this, but I just like hate
when these like big political party operatives, you know, speak on behalf of like the little
guy and make it about defending democracy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just like fake and gay all around.
And I hate that, that Jen Psaki is like the poster girl of all of this and that we have
to suffer whatever three more years of her.
No, they switch out.
Oh, they do.
They swap out press sex.
At least Trump did.
I mean, Huckabee Sanders wasn't around for the whole administration.
Yeah.
Well, she left.
Right.
And then he got that hot one.
Kaylee or Casey or whatever.
Yeah, she was hot.
She was hot.
I mean, maybe they'll swap her out.
I think a basic.
Maybe she'll get, you know, proverbial burnout or something and take some time off.
Yeah.
She could be like me and get an autoimmune disease and dip out like lemon be doing.
Not a bad idea.
Don't give her any good ideas, Anna.
But, um, I feel like a prerequisite of being a press secretary is that you have to be like
hot in a libidenal way.
Yes.
Yes.
Give us something.
Yeah.
Something really sexy.
Sexy.
Definitely.
You have to look like a porn star or an actress.
You can't be an average woman.
You can.
Yeah.
I maybe get a boy and maybe get a man out there with a nice sexy authority.
He just unfurls it on the podium.
Any questions?
It's like one of those cavemen clubs.
Just like not that guy.
What was that?
Remember that tick talk with like the gay underling of Jen Psaki and he had like the
white acrylic nails.
Yes.
Yes.
And it literally.
Oh God.
That would be worse.
We should thank our stars that we have Saki and not some sinister homosexual like snapping
back at reporters and stuff.
Yeah.
That would be worse.
That was literally a Psyop to make everybody homophobic after all the progress we've made.
It's working.
Anyway.
West Elm Caleb.
What else is on the docket?
I mean.
Literally nothing.
That was kind of the big one that really had more legs than I thought it would.
Yeah.
I'm always shocked.
I sent it to you and you were like, what?
I didn't get it.
I know, Anna.
I'm just in the news.
I'm like, people are talking about love bombing, I guess.
Yeah.
That's sort of in our domain.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I got it later.
I just didn't understand it first.
I was like, wait, what?
Like my, my like boomer brain.
Yeah.
No, it's sent it to me and I was like, what?
The craziest thing is I, like I said to earlier, a bunch of people, including some blue checks
DM'd me and we're like, we need the red scare take on West Elm Caleb.
And I was like really shocked because these are people that I like find, you know, professional
and reputable.
And I was like, wait, hold up.
You care about this?
Glenn Greenwald was up in your.
Yeah.
Damn.
That's petty even for him.
Just in your dog-faced bitch.
So West Elm Caleb for those who don't know is a man who works for West, designing furniture
for West Elm, who was doxxed on TikTok, went a bunch of whamen, who went on dates with
him, sort of like coordinated a harassment campaign across the platform where it came
to light that he was a bit of a New York City playboy, a pimp in a playa who had been dating
multiple women.
I didn't really watch any of the videos because none of the girls were hot.
And they all seemed annoying.
I could hear what they sounded like just by seeing their voice, their faces.
Just relax.
Take a kickboxing class.
It's like that.
That voice.
He was like bombing me.
Anyway, it made a big splash.
It's interesting that people were asking you to chime in on it because I sort of felt like
the preemptive, like definitive take was kind of the archetypal red scare take of like
maybe what we, you know, would have been saying a couple of years ago and sort of have, but
yeah, we've like, I mean, we've said it over and over, but horrible and atrocious and unfathomable.
But what was notable was that like the immediate kind of response to the West Elm Caleb thing
was kind of like women are pathetic.
The red scare party line talking points, which are women are pathetic West Elm Caleb did
nothing wrong.
I wish John Raffman had had that kind of, yeah, anyone, anyone other, Charlie Rose,
anyone kind of more valuable to the culture than this two bit mid-century modern furniture
designer.
Who seems like he wears one of those like short biker caps, you know, yeah.
He's six, four, six, four.
Going out with a bunch of sixes off of hinge who make tick talks about their dating lives.
Yeah.
I guess that's the thing.
I mean, we are both not on tick talk because we're old.
Yeah.
I don't know what I would even make tick talks about retinol.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can become like a beauty influencer.
Do you unboxings?
I mean, I do look at former roommate Leia's obviously best of tick talk account.
But even that, if I look at it too long, I start getting this really sick feeling.
Yeah.
It feels ominous.
Like the world is caving in on you.
Exactly.
And like you start hyperventilating and all of those teens look like they have work done?
Yeah.
Well, they have ring light.
Even if they don't, they have ring lights.
Yeah.
They're a curcouple look.
It's brilliant and funny, but you can't like stick around on it too long.
When the West Elm Caleb thing, which does seem, so then yeah, all these brands started
chiming in and doing their like funny tweets riffing on the, it just became so ubiquitous.
Yeah.
It was just, it really felt like everyone was talking about it.
Everyone's also talking about wordle all the time now and which is another thing I don't
know.
It's some word game that everyone's playing and they're doing these formatted tweets with
like, I just feel, it makes me feel so ancient because I have no bandwidth for like engaging
with it or absorbing it or caring about it.
Yeah.
No, I'm with you.
The M&M's, they're still, that's why this week feels very like dystopian and a bit of
a slog.
Demoralizing, yeah.
Lots of like cultural aesthetic detritus like piling up.
Yeah.
But that's, it's really shocking to me that people kind of expressed that they cared about
this because I feel like no one, you know, like in the last episode when we were talking
about Ukraine.
Yeah.
The Uyghur genocide.
What about the situation and yeah, a bunch of people DM me about that chat.
I'm a chain with guy who like, I get, he, he, he owns the warriors now.
You know, the guy that I, that I always roasting for being a techno snake.
What a who, he has any owned the warriors for a while.
Yeah, maybe, but he's a Silicon Valley guy.
Yeah.
He's one of these kind of like godless, soulless techno billionaires who.
How did he accumulate his, his riches?
He's like an investor.
Okay.
And he, he's demonic and evil and I'm totally right about him, but a lot of people were
messaging this.
This is one of those takes that people almost uniformly agree with me on and they're like,
you know, patting my back and cheering for me like, you're such a great judge of character.
And so I had people like messaging me being like, Anna, you, you totally called it.
You're so right about Jameth.
Like he's a snake.
He's evil because he said on some podcast that like, he doesn't care about the Uyghur
genocide.
Like it's not at the top of his list of priorities.
And I was like, what?
This is one of his good.
He's not wrong.
What?
Like this is what you guys get upset about.
Like he's obviously, he's actually, I wouldn't put it past him to literally not care about
the death and suffering of people.
I think he's the kind of guy, he definitely doesn't.
He definitely doesn't.
Like he reminds me of like a Salman Rushdie character that would leave like a dead hooker
in his hotel suite, like that's the vibe he gives off.
But like at any rate, like this is one of the few things that I can kind of vibe with
him on because in a charitable read, what he's saying is like, this is more kind of
Western liberal deflection and hand wringing about an event that has nothing to do with
you.
Yeah.
Like it's kind of like moral extortion.
And guess what?
The world is mean and cruel and I'm going to be unemotive and dispassionate and relaying
this news to you.
So like in this case, he's not.
But yeah, I remember like they tried to make the Uyghur genocide a thing.
Sorry, I can't say that word with that.
It's always, I'm so, yeah, and it's remarking on me smirking.
The Uyghur genocide, you mean the opioid epidemic?
No, but seriously, it's like we have our own problems.
We have our own Uyghur genocide here and it's, yeah.
But like, I was thinking about that in reference to like our last EP when we were talking at
like Kanye West and Julia Fox and it's like, I forgot who said this in some article.
Maybe it was even Julia Fox herself in interview magazine about how like, oh my God, so many
people care about this and I was like, but they don't really.
It's just something to do.
It's like a diversion, a pastime.
Nobody actually cares about anything that's going on in pop culture, but I could be wrong.
I mean, care, you know, like nobody is invested.
It's like just discourse being generated, ditto for the M&Ms, which we'll get to.
Yeah, we'll discuss that in depth.
I want to see the green M&Ms pussy.
I have some fan art I can show you that I've been working on.
But yeah, this West Elm Caleb thing, I was like really surprised, I don't know, surprise
is the word, but like peaked that both Buzzfeed and Vox wrote articles in defense of Caleb.
They were type of defenses, but they were not denouncing him.
No, I think, yeah, it was sort of reminiscent of like Aziz Ansari's, Me Too, though I'm
sure it did have like ramifications for him.
That was the one where kind of people were kind of like, oh no, no, no, this isn't what
we wanted in this like culture of like public shaming and finger pointing that we've devised
and trapped ourselves in or like not like this.
Oh no, now it's gone too far, but it's like arbitrary basically.
Just the women are so unpleasant, I think.
Yeah, they were, they didn't make a good case for themselves, yeah.
And I don't know, people seemed eager to just sort of discuss like dating and like these
sort of concepts that the West Elm Caleb thing introduced, like love bombing and ghosting
and stuff.
But that's what social media is now.
It's like people discussing and adjudicating the rules of romantic engagement.
Yeah, lots of people being like, so glad I'm in my loveless relationships until I don't
have to be out there on hinge with all these sociopaths, but no, but it's so weird because
it's people like trying to codify like the rules of dating and sex, things that people
that people have been doing seamlessly for, I don't know, decades, a century or more.
And like, a tale is all this time, really, yeah, a fuck boy, having taken multiple partners.
I'm sure there's like an Edith Wharton novel about it easily.
But it's so weird.
And instead of just like kind of like pulling their heads out of their asses and just treating
other people as nicely as, you know, their emotional poverty allows them to.
Yeah, I made a tweet about how ghosting was humane and actually like an effective way
of communicating.
And then I like looked mistakenly at my replies and was just like, I don't care.
Like people being like, oh, I'm actually, I was like, I don't give a shit.
I'm really just chiming in.
Wait, you said ghosting was humane and then if I like, what kind of a person are in effective
way of like, and I don't mean like, you know, ghosting on like a relationship, but on like
someone you've gone on like one, even two dates or like maybe haven't met at all.
I think it's like totally acceptable to just stop communicating with them rather than like
having a conversation about why it's not moving forward.
I think that the modern manners are such that like, yeah, it's an okay ghosting is okay.
No, Dasha, you're totally right.
It's very, it's a very fresh take because it's like the termination of communication
is the communication.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Loud and clear.
Like I don't even want to talk to you.
It's so much more mutually embarrassing when you think about it, when you've gone on like
one and a half dates with somebody to, to like whip out your phone.
Yeah.
So this, this isn't, it's not you.
This is working for me.
At this juncture, I just don't have the emotional bandwidth.
My capacity.
I was focusing on my career.
Yeah.
I was just really so upset about the voting.
Right.
Yeah.
I got blackout drunk on Margaritas and fucked my kickboxing instructor and my whole life
has been thrown into disarray and I'm just not ready for a relationship right now.
But yeah, I think it just, yeah, you're right.
It like sends the message loud and clear.
It's fine.
It's not the worst or most traumatic thing you can do.
I like looked up what love bombing was also and reputable source Wikipedia.
So love bombing is when you show affection and enthusiasm in the early stages of the
life.
Yeah.
We have to do away with that.
That's, that's no good.
I mean, love bombing is in its like, I don't know, most charitable definition, I guess,
is like when you enter into a relationship with say like a pathological narcissist who
like the affection and enthusiasm is so like in service of their own ego and meant to kind
of just like trap someone into like to extract emotional resources from them, but yeah, obviously
in its like broader scope, it's also a totally normal and humane thing to do.
People are really telling themselves with all of this.
It's like so paranoid.
It's like, you know, assuming when you meet somebody or somebody takes interest in you
like romantically, professionally, whatever, that they want to extract something from you
and not that they like you and want to work with you or something.
You know, I mean, I think that a lot of this has to do with the climate of dating apps.
Yeah.
Where that like sort of gamify this kind of intimacy and in, in the case of West Elm Caleb
I would never hate that name, Caleb, that's not sure I have, I just remember.
But was he six, four?
He was tallish.
I've told this story already.
He ghosted on me actually.
Have you ghosted anyone?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, it's not my best like quality, but I do yeah, I will ghost on people, you know,
and up to a point, you know, I mean, I ghosted my strength, but we're back on now.
Oh, you're back on.
That's good.
He love bombed you to get back.
He really does.
He love bombs me all the time.
He does.
He does.
He's like, he's like so nice and flattering to me.
I was like, you're not supposed, this is clinically inappropriate.
You're not supposed to laugh at my jokes or tell me how I'm like a good person or whatever.
I was like, I'm not Janice Soprano.
I don't need like validation from you.
Like, so do you think I'm hot?
He's like, I haven't seen you in two years anyway, but yeah, no, ghosting, it's like,
it shouldn't be your proudest moment, but it's a pragmatic and efficacious way to keep
things moving.
Exactly.
Exactly.
I can't get slowed down, but I'm not obviously not on dating apps.
I'm not like dating people in some like gamified way or like what it seems like these, both
these women and Caleb are doing, which where they're like kind of like, I think the one
girl whose video I did watch was telling the saga of her Caleb story and was like another
guy for my arsenal or something like everyone's using these apps in this really pathological
way.
I think.
Yeah.
And they talk about dating like it's like war or the apprentice or something like arsenal.
Yeah.
Which is really depressing.
And these people, yeah, like they spend all this time kind of like writing explainers
about basic things that shouldn't be explained that are better when they're like left unsaid
and like pass it, but then they totally miss like the point, like forget that they're on,
they're all on a casual sex app.
Well hinge, I think is different from Tinder in that it purports to be for people looking
for like relationships.
Yeah.
Okay.
Marketing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then like functionally as West Elm Caleb, which like there's so many of them that all
have their like different little marketing flavor, but like, like, I don't know, I think
I also think it's pretty baller that he use the same Spotify playlists and one liners
copy pasted.
Yeah.
Like I've done that.
Of course.
Of course.
I'm the same.
I say the same things.
Me too.
Not just to my romantic prospects, just to meet a new person, you've got some stuff they
should know about you, some playlist they should check out.
Yeah.
You do like your spiel.
Do you like anime?
Do you?
But yeah, it's crazy that they, I mean, I don't know how, how like Ernest or like genuine
these women were in their grievances.
Maybe they just wanted to like shore up some attention on Tik Tok and lead a viral campaign.
And Tik Tok is really, from my outsider perspective, really seems to be ramping up like the theater
kidification of our culture as well, though it's hard to say because all these people
also seem fairly cloistered, hermetic, herpetic, but then they like on Tik Tok at least behave
in this really like rehearsed obnoxious outlandish theatrical way.
Like monologuing.
Yeah.
Like into an audience that's not even a cohesive audience anymore, but is also like a bunch
of other discreet individual monologues.
It's so depressing.
I had to make a video because I went on Charlie XCX's podcast, which I think we're probably
going to post this tomorrow.
I think Charlie's pod will go up too.
I just, they asked me to make a video that's just like, Hey, I'm Stasha, I'm your guest
this week, and I was trying to do it up in Pennsylvania with Matt, Maddie and Steven
and KJ around, and I was so mortified and like, went in another room, and then I was
watching it and I was like, and I like make self tapes and like, it's not like I'm not
used to watching myself, but I was really like flint.
I just was like, wow, you're so flinchy and weird and like the way people act on Tik
Tok is so, feel so foreign to me of this like confident monologuing, they're like adopting
the conventions that they've seen in 90s movies and like 2000s music videos in this very kind
of quippy.
Yeah.
It's actually really shocking.
It is an art form.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
As Lea said in her, was it V magazine knows?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it was V.
They have Tik Toks for 20s, it's really good.
She's really impressive in her ability to curate, return her.
I'd love to have Lea on, but they are like acting, I guess, but they're like micro acting.
Yeah.
And I imagine they probably behave that way interpersonally as well.
They're always acting.
Or they don't even have, I can't imagine they have interpersonal lives.
They don't have interrelates.
Well, they go on dates, on hinge dates at least.
I guess.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, but like what does that interaction like?
It's just like two people talking past each other.
Yeah.
Two people making Tik Toks.
Yeah.
Like you go on a date with the anticipation of not falling in love or even having sex,
but like extracting some sort of like social media campaign out of it.
Oh my God.
Which is crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel so, like on one hand, I feel like really kind of like ancient and obsolete, but on
the other hand, I feel so relieved that I don't ever have to do that.
What make a Tik Tok?
Yeah.
Like be a young person, like navigating casual dating in like 2022.
I mean, I don't think these, I think these, the milieu that's emerged from the West Elm
and Caleb stuff is an outlier.
I think a lot of people are dating the silent majority or are, you know, having more normative
relations if at all.
Yeah.
I suppose we're talking about like a set of people.
In New York at least.
Yeah.
Extremely urban and extremely online at the same time.
They live in like Dumbo and stuff.
They're living in this like, I don't know.
This is scary.
I think this is from the BuzzFeed article.
To some degree, Twitter has gone through several cycles of debating about what it means to
get the pitch works out and make someone the main character.
There's some consensus about worthy targets, having some form of power, at least being
a public persona.
Exceptions can be made for incidents of horrifying racism, like the story of Central Park, Karen,
but Tik Tok as a culture hasn't gone through that process yet.
Like the idea of Tik Tok emerging as a culture is so scary to me.
I thought that the exemption that they make for Central Park, Karen, as being notably
horrifying and racist was like, they really slipped that in there and I was like, no,
I still stand by what I said back when that happened, which was that people were like
peak COVID, I mean, I hated that era of like the Karen videos, where it seemed like everyone
was posting videos of like, women primarily having like nervous breakdowns after not being
allowed to leave their homes for months, spans of time.
Yeah, it's such an insane, like, I've said it before and I'll say it again, like who
cares if an individual is racist or harbors racist ideations, like literally who gives
a shit?
Who cares?
Who cares?
There's child slaves making sexy M&Ms in Lolli, like this obsession with like the individual
racism of individual people is so kind of delusional.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, I was who cares if West Elm Caleb is racist, we just like get our wires
crossed, we should throw him under the kick him while he's down.
I mean, I think a lot of those girls were white.
Yeah.
It didn't seem like he was dating.
There was like one Asian one, I think.
Okay.
Cool.
There always is.
Yeah.
One to three Asian one and every man's arsenal.
Um, he's not even Jewish.
He's not.
Yeah.
Caleb also, I'm sorry.
Six foot four is like not my favorite height for a man because that's like the cutoff.
It's the cutoff.
It's too tall.
Under six foot six, five, we get into the, um, unhygienic arena because you can't possibly
like wash that whole body.
Um, I definitely like, I mean, that's, yeah, it's a very shallow preoccupation that this
is why Caleb was able to.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Totally.
That crush as much post as he did was just because women are like, oh, he's this under
six.
Yeah.
So much.
Actually, you know, six, one, six, two, I understand six, four.
I really don't have a high, you know, fetish.
Fetish.
Yeah.
I like, I get why it's nice.
Like to me, the big man, you can climb him like a tree or whatever, but, um, it's also
nice to be with someone that's like, you're similar to your height because you can kind
of like, I don't know.
I like four to five inches taller.
That's the sweet spot where he can like comfortably put his arm around you.
Well, you, you're a nice height for a, for a woman.
I'm like the average height, but it's actually, you know, it's short height, but I'm technically
the average height in America, which is hilarious, five, four, five, four.
Yeah.
I'm five, seven.
We should really set the record straight because I see some people speculating as to
our heights and I am, uh, well, people think that we lie about our heights.
Yeah.
Why would we do that?
I would.
I would literally never lie.
Why would I lie about being five, seven, which is tall for a girl normal within the
normal range of like tall-ish girl.
I, I don't know why I, why would I lie about being five, four, which is like not, not a
super tall height.
Like I would use two inches or three inches, but also it's a totally average female height.
It's not embarrassing.
It's fine.
You're not.
Yeah.
It's fine.
You're a nice height.
Um, but yeah, that's, I don't know.
I mean, I guess people lie about all sorts of things that also like all the dates they're
going on.
Yeah.
Um, but no, but I was thinking about how like I was reading these like Vox and Buzzfeed
pieces that were like kind of tapedly defending Caleb and talking about how this was like
a bridge too far or whatever.
Yeah.
Um, the snail trail of like the me too movement winding this way through like nooks and crannies
of social media.
Um, but I was thinking like how, well, I was like, well, what is this bode for so-called
cancel culture?
Yeah.
Which I don't really care about.
And it's not like it's going to, it's not like this is going to bring, I saw some people
speculating that maybe finally we're on the other end of cancel culture and this will
all slow down, but I don't think it will, I think they're just going to write another
step into the program where people express introspection and remorse.
Right.
And are just like, well, maybe this time.
Well this in the case of West on Caleb also, it's not, it's like the lowest stakes form
of cancel culture because none of these people have, they're not gatekeeping anything by
making tick talks about, um, a man's like poor dating conduct.
You know, it's just like it couldn't, uh, it is just immoralizing.
I can't believe we've even been talking about it.
I know, I know, but the, but the other thing that I was thinking about that's like also
deeply demoralizing and depressing is like the reason cancel culture even exists.
Like this, the problem with cancel culture isn't even that it's punitive and cruel and
ruins people's lives.
It's that it, um, speaks to the lack of overall culture, like that's what it is.
I feel like lame and cringy even saying this because it's such a like, okay, boomer, whatever
remark, like your generation sucks compared to my generation sort of thing.
But, um, it's just that there's no worthwhile intellectual debates going on anymore.
There's no public forum in existence anymore.
There's no like nourishing high end entertainment for the masses anymore.
No, we're literally talking about like, yeah, what's going on on tick tock.
Like you used to be able to tune into TV and see like Susan Falluti and Norman Mailer
debating each other.
Like that was available.
I'm sure most people passed on it, but it was available.
I mean, I don't have memories like that.
No, I don't.
I'm a little, I'm actually a little too young for that, but yeah, but I watch old, you know,
videos of like, yeah, whatever, Camille Poglia on like Jimmy Dorr went on a talker the other
night to speak of Howard Stern.
That was funny.
To call him Howard Stern.
He said he just wants to go outside and feel the wind is wig.
Yeah, that's really cute.
That I mean, Tucker is literally all we have.
I mean, Tucker is immensely popular, unlike Joe dead Biden, um, and I've obviously, you
know, partake in watching and enjoying Tucker, but I was watching him the other night and
I was kind of like, Oh, he's doing like, what the daily, like this is just like the daily
show now.
Yeah.
Like the way that he's like,
React entertaining and like, he's really good at what he does.
He's as good as like John Stuart and like the Bush administration, you know, and I think
people glean a similar kind of enjoyment from it because I think, um, a lot of people watch
be watching and enjoying Tucker who would never surprise you.
Yeah.
Like they're guilty pleasure because everyone, the Dems are becoming so dissociated and smug
that the contempt for them is, is increasing and people want to see like one watch Tucker.
And Jen Psaki doing herself any favors.
I mean, it's shocking because anytime that I speak to like an industry person, it there,
they will literally say like, I love red scare podcast, my guilty pleasure.
I listen to it all the time.
And I'm always like, haha, that must mean you also watch Tucker and probably tune into
Rogan, I actually don't think that like if the elite NYC people really fuck with Rogan
because just because aesthetically he's off, but you're right that like Tucker is, is literally
like the daily show for people who are with like conservative leanings.
Yeah.
And people are becoming increasingly conservative leaning because the Dems are doing such a
bad job.
Yeah.
And I've seen, it's always funny when you, when you watch people who like you assume
or like leftists or liberals and they have like a moment of recognition with each other
where they realize that they agree on something that is totally like boilerplate and common
sense and not at all conservative, but that would be considered conservative like publicly
and it just like, you know, the sigh of relief that they breathe.
Yeah.
And that's going to happen more and more.
I think so, yeah, but I think in the, in the, in the biz, in the industry, especially,
I think there's a lot of crucible-esque like policing and fear.
Yeah.
But also a lot of the people in the industry who have desk jobs and are support for the
talent are basically functional, dependable family people who are essentially conservative
in their leanings.
I either classical liberals, right, right, like Bill Maher and they, and they think that
all of this is not so much immoral as like absurd.
So yeah, they just, I mean, I feel, I feel bad.
I feel for them because they have to like clench their sphincters and pretend to be on
board with like a DEI or whatever.
Yeah.
Um, anyway, um, any, do you ever buy stuff at West Elm, by the way?
What?
Do you ever shop at West Elm?
I hate West Elm.
Word.
I think that they've like, I'm not, I'm not like, um, an anti mid-century snob.
I think mid-century has.
Where is this from?
CP2?
No, this is from a place called Joybird.
It just, it makes me also clench my sphincters to say that the couch, the couch, it's comfortable.
It's nice.
Yeah.
Um, you know, personally, if, if I was not like, uh, a, if feet elite NYC bug man, I
would not, I would furnish my, my home in like a more kind of opulent Dubai or nice
style.
Yeah.
It'd be like the real housewives of New Jersey up in here.
But when you're like renting, you're basically, um, cornered into this mid-century modern
thing.
Cause everything has to be like light and modular.
And you just want, and want something like an offensive and kind of normal and you go
on a way fair.
And yeah.
Yeah.
And West Elm is to blame.
You think the squarely on like all of those retailers, they really accessible kind of
like mid-market furniture retailers.
I get, um, I got my cart.
I buy, do buy stuff at West Elm, but not furniture like curtains and like a hamper and stuff
I bought.
Yeah.
Totally.
And that it's weirdly my go to just cause I'm kind of, uh, um, I'm learning about being
an adult.
I'm learning about being an adult and I don't know where to get, you know, actual like stuff
stuff.
So I'm just like West Elm.
You can always consult me because I learned how to be an adult last year when I was furnishing
this apartment.
So I have like some tips and tricks or whatever, um, way fair cabinets with like child slaves
inside.
I need like shelving.
I have, I stack all my books up and on like underneath my windowsill where like my radiator
I think runs through so a lot of the binding and stuff is like melting off of my books
and the pre, it just seems really, I'm like, ooh, yeah, you have to get like a chicken
water shelf or something.
No, I'm not, I'm not mocking you.
I have one in the other room that was like my first big furniture purchase from CB two
like five or six years ago.
I think I've seen that I've like, I dragged it home by myself.
Yeah.
The bed, bathroom beyond and, um, Chelsea is quite nice.
I know.
I like going there.
I like going to the container store.
That's like my place, my happy place to really figure your life out there.
I like to look at like, um, jute baskets and like various hooks or belts and jewelry and
I don't know.
Totally.
It's, it's nice becoming like a consumer sheeple adult.
It's like comforting.
It's okay.
Yeah.
It's nice to have it all sorted for sure.
But I hate, but I hate, um, the, the mid-century West Elm stuff because it's such a, it's
so bastardized and like chunky and clunky.
It's like, hate the look of it.
It does such a disservice to that era, which isn't my favorite era, but it's a historically
significant and notable year of just kind of like, it's just go kind of better than
Ikea.
Yeah.
You know, it's not, but it's really just not and it's, you might as well just go and
buy some.
Yeah.
Just buy the Billy bookshelf.
I don't have space.
I don't have space.
I like just have a space problem.
Yeah.
So I, I'm trying to live in a Japanese kind of style minimalist.
I know we're all, we're all forced to be like mid-century minimalists when you're like
renting.
Yeah, exactly.
It sucks.
Anyway.
Um, should we talk about the M&M's and other, yeah.
Other kind of depressing, um, oh, you know, the, the last thing that I will say about
West Elm Caleb and, and these hordes and legions of unpleasant women who are like pecking
at his spleen, um, is that I feel like awareness in general also happens at a lag.
So we live in an era where like people, where women are under the impression that they're
still being oppressed by the patriarchy and so they chalk their romantic failures up to
like, yeah, a toxic external sources, yeah, toxic masculinity and not like, say the fact
that they have a shitty personality.
Yeah.
That they're huge whores.
Yeah.
And it's going to really suck when that catches up with them.
These women for the most, but they're in their, um, like 20s phase.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But they're like practically zoomers.
I look at women like that who are like, yeah, like 25, 26, 27, 28, whatever, um, who are
way more functional than I was at that age.
They do seem like they have jobs and they're adults.
Yeah.
On one hand, but on the other hand, they're like so clueless and retarded when it comes
to men.
No.
I'm serious.
They just like don't like it's not their fault.
I don't think.
No, I don't think so either.
I think there's a lot of factors that this, that is like a societal problem of like the
culture of the society that they grew up in, but I mean, I just can't imagine going on
a date off a, off an app.
Yeah.
I mean, you couldn't do it now.
I mean, I could.
We should try.
If I wanted to, I could.
And I'm going to start, I'm going to get a Tinder account.
I'm going to manufacture a scandal.
Okay.
Now we're talking.
And you're going to be like, where's her baby daddy?
I was like literally sitting in the home today thinking like, I like clean the whole
ass house and was like spoon feeding the kids some sweet potato and like literally scrolling
through Instagram.
And I saw the Kanye and Julia Fox in Paris and I was like, man, I wish I was in Paris
shopping.
Yeah.
Good for them.
And then I was like literally zoned out and I was like, it would be so great if Kanye
dumped Julia Fox and started dating me and Eli as a thrupple because I don't want to break
up with Eli.
Yeah.
And like we're like literally the farthest thing from what he likes physically because
he's into like Pogs, like do you like shrimpy bobblehead juice?
Yeah.
Eli is going to look great and all that.
Avant-garde swag.
In jeans with shoes attached.
Yeah.
That'll be a fun, that'll be a fun twist.
Yeah.
It's cool that like rich people basically dress like babies.
They have like footies.
They do have footies.
Yeah.
I could never.
Yeah.
I could only dream of attaching my pants and shoes.
I feel like something bad would happen.
Yeah.
I wouldn't feel safe.
Definitely.
Like the shoe would get, the heel would get caught in something and your pants would
fall down.
Yeah.
Or like you would be ripped apart.
You could be like, your legs would be separate at the way you don't know.
Well, I mean, um, anyway, someone might push you onto the train tracks as they're doing
nowadays.
That's an increasing possibility.
I mean, the subways are a mess.
Yeah.
They're really bad.
They're crazy.
And the DA's legalized crime, practically.
Yeah.
We need to get those blue lives matter M&M shirts.
Yeah.
Okay.
So M&M's made the M&M, the anthropomorphic M&M's different to be more inclusive.
And they made the green one that used to be slutty, where sneakers.
Yeah.
They gave her some like Kamala Harris ass makeover.
But the brown one is still slutty.
No.
The brown one's not slutty.
I think the brown one was always kind of like dumpy.
But she wears glasses.
She wears heels.
Oh, she did.
And glasses.
Okay.
Then never mind.
She's like the Kristen cinema M&M.
Yeah.
She's kinky.
And yeah.
Um, and people have really also collected, unfortunately, to this story.
Uh-huh.
Something in the water, I guess, Paul Koopa was the best take on it actually.
He said only women eat M&M's so it doesn't really affect me.
I feel like Donald Trump would eat M&M's.
I don't eat M&M's.
I don't like chocolate in general, but M&M's are really just not my, not my thing at all.
Never, never going for a bag of M&M's.
M&M's.
The only time I would like reach for M&M's is if I was like on a road trip and it was
like the only thing available.
If they were in trail mix, I would eat around them.
Yeah.
That's how much I don't fuck with M&M's.
Yeah.
What, what do you fuck with?
Um, in terms of like, I like like sour candy and skittles and stuff.
I'd sooner eat a bag of skittles on a, when we hit the road.
Yeah.
Um, wait, Dasha, do you fuck with the Swedish gummy stores?
Um, I've heard real, I have, I don't, but people have really, we really rave about, about
it.
You shouldn't jump in one of those.
I might.
Annie Hamilton's a big fan.
Yeah.
Actually.
I love that.
Um, poor impulse control, just like me.
You see, you don't have a problem because you don't have a sweet tooth.
I don't really have a sweet tooth.
You could literally go in there and like have like a tiny little bag of candy and enjoy yourself
and that's it.
Yeah.
But I just like Louis Anderson myself.
Maybe RIP.
RIP.
Maybe I'll treat myself.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
I have such a sad and beautiful story about Louis Anderson.
What?
He was my first celebrity sighting in LA the first time I went and he, um, got off.
He was waiting in an, in the Uber queue, just like everybody else with like a briefcase.
And he, you know, there's like traffic cones, but the ones that the flat, flat tops, there
was like a puddle in one of them and he sat in the puddle and just got up and laughed
at himself and he wasn't like angry or miffed.
Did you say anything to him?
No, I was like too intimidated.
He was very tall.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
That's cool.
He just seemed like such a nice sweet man.
Largesse of spirit and body.
Yeah.
Emphasis on large, but yeah, RIP anyway.
Um, so yeah, the M&M's.
So I don't need M&M's.
I've never really particularly liked the cartoon M&M's or felt any connection to
them.
I'm not sexually attracted to them cause they're all fat.
They're all bought.
They're all apple shaped.
That's, that's the craziest part.
First of all, the craziest part is that there are lentils.
I read that somewhere that they're lentils.
What do you mean?
They're lentils.
I don't know.
What are you saying?
I don't know.
I feel like I'm having a stroke hearing.
What are you saying?
The M&M's are lentils.
It's from an article on CBS news, M&M's iconic character, six different colored quote lentils
each with their own personality have gotten a modern makeover for a more dynamic, proverbial
lentils.
They're not M&M's.
They're lentils.
What does that mean?
It blew my mind.
What does that mean?
Is that a metaphor?
I don't think it is.
Are they using it?
Yeah.
It's some kind of metonym for candy.
Um, cool laid back sneakers to reflect her effortless confidence.
And they're also kind of like lesbians, I think the brown and the green one.
They are.
Yeah.
I think they may be lesbians together.
Oh, okay.
We're so fucking stupid, dude.
Um, chocolate lentils are like just the categorically what is called like chocolate that has a candy
coating.
Like M&M's aren't the only candy coated chocolate on the market.
And if you were to like buy chocolate candy wholesale, you could get chocolate lentils
is what they're called.
I need to, I need to have a margarita.
It's literally just like everything right now really does feel like the Soviet Union
where like, like our only remaining collective pastime is like reveling in the absurdity
of everything.
Yeah.
Like quiet, like everybody knows the scoop quietly.
Oh man.
And like, they're going to get different.
The other thing.
It just sucks the like, well, how quickly brands wrapped onto the, the West Elm Caleb
thing and then to have M&M discourse in the same week, it was just like, really, really,
they really just have us by the balls, huh?
We're just going to talk about whatever fucking Psyop shit they want us to, huh?
Okay.
So they're going to have more nuanced personalities, two of them less stereotypically feminine.
So the green wears sneakers, brown know where, oh, the brown one used to wear stilettos and
now wears lower heels.
Um, here's a quote from the company, which is Mars, whose brand also includes Twix and
Snickers.
Yeah.
Which was also being investigated for their labor practices because the cocoa farms employed
child slaves, but I guess people don't want to have that conversation.
They just want to talk about the bussy of the chocolate lentil or whatever.
This is a quote from Mars Corp.
Our ambition is to upend the expected breakthrough barriers and discover the little joys shared
in everyday life.
Imagine a world with less judgment and more connection and consistent laughter.
They're like trying to break our spirit.
Yeah.
They really are.
A world with as many child slaves, fashioning candy coated lentils.
I don't think the fact, I think the factory is probably, no, I know, it's like a conveyor
belt thing.
I think they harvest the cocoa, but I like to thinking of the kind of like, you know,
in 1950s sitcom assembly line with like little children, like making lentils.
And if you don't work fast enough, your fingers get caught in that faster hands means less
whipping.
Yeah.
You know, those tiny child fingers are better at fashion or making lentils.
They paint.
They paint the candy.
They paint the candy.
They're like hand paint.
Like Ukrainian.
How do you think they get the M on there?
Each one is hand painted by a Malian child.
I'm sure that what they actually do is much worse.
I feel like all M&Ms, like the craziest thing was that they're going to have different body
types.
It's like, what do you mean?
How they're all circles?
Well, the orange one is, seems like he's got a peanut inside.
Yeah.
I guess like you can have an oval or a circle of your two options with M&Ms.
That's, there's your, I mean, they all kind of look like Stacey Abrams or she.
Why'd they have to make them less feminine though?
Tucker was going on about this, about how miserable non-binary candy is all we deserve.
But I wish he would have brought up the child slaves, if you really wanted to speak truth
to power.
I, because the real conservatives take is it's wrong to make the candy sexy to begin
with.
Yeah.
That's my take.
I was just going to, I've never identified with the M&Ms.
They're on my shit list.
Like the Charmin Bears, we're going to get there come up in soon.
Yeah.
I can't wait.
I like, I hate like weird, sexy, like CGI brand avatars for like things that you like
eat or wipe your ass with or something like, it's so weird to make M&Ms sexy.
Yeah.
They're literally a chocolate snack.
At all to give them, yeah.
Like anthropomorphic, whatever features, identities.
When did they start?
I don't know.
The last, honestly, the last kind of like sentient mascots that I've vibed in were those like
Budweiser raccoons or the Budweiser frogs.
The frogs.
They were cool.
Yeah.
But there were some raccoons too, right?
I hate the, I don't know.
I hate the Gecko, the Geiko Gecko.
Yeah.
I hate them all.
I don't like them.
I mean, the Charmin bears really are the worst.
They're just so fucking disgusting, dude.
It's like a whole family of like seed oil bears, it's like dingleberries.
There you go.
Let's talk about how they've loaded with fucking seed oils.
The seductive green, now I'm on the Wikipedia for M&Ms, whose personality was a reference
to the 1970s urban legend that green M&Ms were aphrodisiacs.
Now no candy makes you horny, just makes you fat and sad.
Wow.
They used to have a chocolate bar voiced by Phil Hartman.
Wow.
He was really hot.
He was.
R.I.P.
Killed by his BPD wife.
I'm really sad.
Oh, God, this is, this is really, I hate, I hate it here.
Oh, David Cross used to do the voice for the Carmel Cube.
What's the Carmel?
Speaking of BPD, why?
No clue.
No clue.
There's, oh, God.
Can you imagine like being the person paid to write the article about the non-binary
M&Ms or even worse, the person or the people paid to creative direct that rebrand?
It's either like the worst or best job in the world.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm sure.
I would blow my brains out if I had to come up with devious PR schemes like this.
I would love to like creative direct like, like a trans, like a Gekko Gekko.
He's already pretty androgynous.
Yeah.
That'd be an easy pivot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's nullified.
He's nullified.
Yeah.
There should be a nullified.
The M&Ms are already nullified.
They're not wearing clothes.
They're only allowed to wear shoes and now not even good ones.
Yeah.
It is, yeah, dispiriting that they're making them less feminine, but this is exactly what
they want.
Yeah.
Tucker really took the bait.
I was disappointed.
Yeah.
I haven't watched Tucker in a while.
I haven't tuned in, but maybe I'll tune in and see how he's doing because I feel like
he's getting more and more canned judging by what you say.
He's having fun.
He's showing his wonderful personality and.
I'd love to be on Tucker's writing team.
Totally.
Yeah.
He's getting playful.
He did a whole bit where he was, that people got mad about where he made fun of Nancy Pelosi
for looking like Michael Jackson.
Did you see that one?
Crypt Keeper looking at this.
And his Coward Stern bit was pretty good on the last step and he was.
What did Stern do?
Why were he in door?
He's been mouthing off on his radio show about anti-vaxxers and how he thinks they should
die.
And if you're not vaxxed, you shouldn't be allowed to go to a hospital and stuff.
He just wants to get back to normal and go out.
He's just like boomer.
How did every cool person become such a loser?
It's because they're old and they're really unhappy with how they have conducted themselves
in their life so they're really scared of dying and the COVID has just sort of caused
them to reflect on their mortality in a way that they probably have to whip up a lot of
cognitive dissonance around would be my diagnosis for someone like Stern.
Damn.
I can't wait to see what's going to break our brains in 10, 20 years.
It's mighty of crap and even sooner.
I think NFTs might be the nail in the coffin for me.
I really have, really makes me feel really old and crazy and confused.
When I went on Twitter and they were like, now you can have an NFT profile picture.
And I was like, I don't even, exactly, like make your avi in NFT and something about the
blockchain.
And I was like, no, no, no, no.
I'm just here to shitpost, ma'am, I don't mind me.
Balenciaga should do their next show with the M&M's.
Yeah.
That'd be a cool pill.
They could just wear those like big sneakers.
Oh, man.
Anyway, should we, do you have any more thoughts on the, on the, on the M&M's?
Candies.
The candies for children and babies that everyone talks about.
Yeah.
Made by children and babies.
Yeah.
It's like four hours by us.
I miss Fubu.
I'm surprised some stupid little wiggers haven't brought that back.
It seems like.
Yeah.
I bet it's, I bet there's a good market on grailed for it, something I'm looking forward
to.
Yeah.
I might, I might look later tonight out of curiosity.
Yeah.
Just for fun.
That could be a fun way to unwind.
Like Averex, Carl Kanai, Nietzsche, all those like 90s black people brands.
Like why aren't they back?
Yeah.
We're recycling everything else.
Is it too sensitive because it would require white people to spearhead the initiative and
they can't because.
Kanye could do it.
Yeah.
He should put Julia Fox and baby fat.
Oh my God.
Really good idea.
Yeah.
She'd look great in like.
And some case with sneakers.
Yeah.
That cat, the rhinestone cat logo was incredible.
Yeah.
Really?
It was really good.
Especially in the little like on the zipper.
Yeah.
My first bra was a baby fat.
Really?
Yeah.
I had a bra with the cat pendant in the middle of the titties from Burlington coat factory.
You are such a slut.
Yeah.
It was such a huge slut back in the day.
Hillary Clinton.
What happened?
And now I'm like railing against sexy M&M's on a podcast.
It's wrong that they're sexy.
It isn't.
It's too far from God's light.
Yeah.
I was like, children shouldn't be exposed to sexy M&M.
I was like, wait, children like shouldn't eat M&M's period.
Because of the seed oils.
Yeah.
Well, the sugar, like everything.
I mean, kids eat candy.
Yes.
No, they do.
I know.
One of their MMOs.
Yeah.
But anyway, but it'll be interesting to see how this M&M campaign shakes out and what.
Will it be interesting?
Not really.
No one's going to, we're just going to move on.
We're going to forget.
Yeah.
But there'll probably be like a Super Bowl commercial, right?
Or something.
Is the Super Bowl coming up?
It must be, right?
It's in Feb.
I guess.
Yeah.
There'll be some commercial.
There'll be something.
Yeah.
Rough week.
Yeah.
I'm just trying to stay positive.
Yeah.
We can't wait to see.
This is a commercial.
Commercial with the Kamala Harris M&M.
Anyway.
See you in hell.