Red Scare - Grok of Shit

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

The ladies discuss the Epstein client list, the Diddy verdict, Elon's third party, Grok being racist, Zohran's college application race debacle, and the return of choking discourse.

All good. Oh no, okay. All good. We're back. Hey. How was your Fourth of July? It was fun. Strong. For sure. I was drunk. For sure.

How was yours? It was nice. I was drunk. Yeah, you guys went to the baths. Really empty. Because everyone's kind of on a fun in the sun. Yeah, but trying to see fireworks. But we went in the daytime.

Yeah. And we took a gorgeous golden hour Uber ride across the bridge. That's nice. Only downside was a female driver. I was a little anxious. Yeah. It do be like that. They're just not as good at driving. No, I don't know. Cause I'm like, what if she gets her period right now? Yeah. And she like.

What if she swerves into traffic because she's about to enter her loony old phase. Steps on the gas, flips the car. Two young lives extinguished. I know people are like, ooh, edgy. And it's like, I'm kidding, sort of. Sort of, yeah. I am like, do a wood drop it's like, I'm kidding sort of. Sort of, yeah. I am like, do a wood drop and nuke if I was a world leader.

Yeah. Like right before my period. I'd be like, fuck this. You know what? I'm going to prove a little point. I'm gonna prove a little point. I'm feeling emotional. And then I'll be like, oh my God, I'm starting my period. I made a horrible mistake.

Please tell the Ayatollah that I'm very sorry. It's like whenever you're taking a flight and you expect the voice of the nice, white Jared Taylor ass sounding man. Oh, yeah. Come on and say, hey, we're in for a smooth ride. Ladies, don't worry about it. Some woman who sounds like Jodie Foster because they're usually like butch lesbians. I did once have a female pilot and it was by far the worst

turbulence I've ever experienced in my life. I was gripping the seat, trying to go to sleep dog in the burning building. This is fine. It's how you could be a coincidence. I haven't had enough experience with female clients. Yeah I don't have a big enough sample size to determine one way or another but I'm just saying. It's telling. No client list. No client list. Every I've seen did commit suicide but was guilty of no crimes. They didn't have anything on him,

but he did commit suicide. Mystery solved. And, Gilenna's in jail. Yeah, for nothing. How long is she in jail for? 20 years, I think. But I wasn't, I obviously, I made the, honestly,

very good time to rewatch a little movie called The Scary of 60 First. So true, Queen. Which I feel like was almost a prophetic vision of how fruitless all this would be and how retarded everyone would get. Yes, exactly. But people always ask me after obviously making the movie about Jeffrey Epstein,

what do I think about the Glenn case when it was in the news? And the thing is, I feel like I really exercised what was interesting to me about the Jeffrey Epstein stuff. So I haven't really been following it and don't care that much because I know we're not going to get the truth even though Pam Bondi. Oh, yeah. So what happened? Hold on. I'm going to pull up my notes.

I guess they were threatening or teasing the release of the Epstein client list for months. And then on Monday, there was a DOJ memo that concluded that actually he killed himself and no such list exists. People are mad at Pam Bondi because she kind of over-promised and under-delivered. She's not the only one because everyone's been doing and Elon's doing it now, which is so telling of his retardation.

It's like that's been a big kind of talking point on left and right of accusing people. It's a horse shoot. Once the list comes out, ooh, what are you on the client list? What are you some kind of elite pedophile? I saw someone say Michael Tracy's on it. I'm like, Michael Tracy's not an elite pedophile. Michael Tracy's on the list. Yes. What are you some kind of elite pedophile? I saw some of them, Michael Tracy's on them. I'm like, Michael Tracy is not an elite pedophile.

Michael Tracy's on the list. That's why he's been counter signaling the Epstein truthers because he desperately doesn't want it to come out that he's in the upper echelons of power. Yeah. Drinking Gatorade. Since the Vice days. And he's completely compromised. That compromised obviously what's going on this is from CNN bondy's own claim made during a Fox News interview in February that she had a so-called Epstein client list on her desk and intended to release it

exacerbated the perception that she under delivered no such list exists the Justice Department concluded in the memo released on Monday. The DOJ memo contradicted many of the conspiracy theories pulsating on the right surrounding Epstein, including that he was murdered and that authorities were keeping secret a list of high profile clients possibly involved in wrongdoing.

Then she sort of backpedaled and said, I did an interview on Fox and it's been getting a lot of attention because I said I was asked a question about the client list and my response was, it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed, meaning the file along with the JFK MLK files as well. That's what I meant by that, she told reporters.

So she's saying that she just had like a full, like a Manila folder. And it's in it, it said there's nothing. That she was gonna review. It was empty. Yeah. And there was a Mail folder and she opened it up. It said give up your inquiries, which are useless.

I was surprised by how many people didn't get the joke. I saw it, like, whatever, two in the morning, it was like, ugh. It's not, yeah, because you, yeah, I was like, it's not, you, it's not even, it's barely a joke. It's like a pretty obvious reference. I almost was like, I bet I'm gonna be like, the 50th person to say this. Dasha's fed posting she's

caping for Israel. She's on the Epstein list. That's why she's telling us to give up our inquiries which are completely useless and consider these words as sad. A lot of like MAGA influencers like Cerno and Posso talk her ban. Well Cerno was one of the ones they gave the remember when they gave the Epstein files out and they also were retracted and already public and they gave the binders to all the, to like Cernovich. And they held them up. Yeah.

They're a little laminated, slow the spread ass piece of paper and it was laminated that we were all looking at. Yeah. Get fucking real. Poe so was like, we demand answers. Shut up. It really took everything in me to not start shit with him. I actually don't want answers.

I don't care. Epstein's dead. I mean, I would like some answers. His major accuser is dead. His main accomplice is in jail. Let it go. I don't wanna be too flippant and say, move along, nothing to see here

because I actually don't believe that's true. And I think that there is more to the story that's deeply shady and suspicious. It's a massive coverup. He was obviously a Mossad agent. I mean, okay, he obviously had intelligence ties. That's a massive cover-up. He was obviously a massage agent. I mean he okay he obviously had intelligence ties that's like a statistical likelihood you don't just pop up out of nowhere as like a private school teacher with like millions of dollars in the bank and all

these high-profile connections and a beautiful townhouse on the UES. Your Cooper Union degree, Robert Maxwell obviously. It's hard for me to believe that there's nothing there, especially based on the fact that all the kind of official intelligence statements are like, no, nothing to see here. Well, he also got that sweetheart deal. Yeah. Back in the day. I'm sorry, but it's so implausible that he killed himself and people who are like, well, he had a nice life and he was probably really sad about being in jail. It's like when your life is nice, you don't expect things to continue to work out for you. That is true.

I don't think he was like hopelessly depressed. I think if anything, he might've auto erotically asphyxiated himself, which someone told me recently and I was like, maybe plausible, because he obviously was obsessed with busting. He was getting three hand jobs a day. That's why he had so many such a network. I'll also say, he was a total sex criminal.

Yes, he was, but okay, but there's a lot of parallels between his case and the Diddy case, where basically the justice system was unable to prove any wrongdoing beyond him. Well, in Epstein's case, there's a lot they're not telling us. Yes, and with Diddy, I'm sure too, but with, but Jelaine was convicted of trafficking prostitutes to Epstein specifically, not to any third parties, correct? Just fact checking here.

And the other thing that I will say that you're not gonna like is that it's not outside the realm of possibility that he killed himself. I think it's unlikely, but it's not zero and you have to grant that. And I think they know what they're doing with the security camera footage with the minute missing.

They know they're pressing people's buttons to make them feel. And so was Bondi by the way, they were like, teasing, creating drama, buildup, edging a little, they know what they're doing. I think that like my hunch is that it's the truth is somewhere in the middle and I don't think he was exactly killed but I don't think he exactly killed himself I feel like it's

like Pentangeli and the Godfather where he was pressured to do it. They made him yeah it was the only thing he could do because I do think- They facilitated it. I doubt somebody actually went in there and like, offed him, but who knows? Who knows? It doesn't really matter. That's as like, I would like some answers, but it's not, I've made peace long ago

with that there just was like, and I'm not even on like some pedo cabal tip. But there is just like evil in the world. Like yeah, there's power and evil. And like, there are things that, you know, are completely useless that you like can't. What was that Sovietism that's like, they're lying, you know they're lying.

They know you know that you know they're lying. And it doesn't, it's like that kind of like nihilistic info spiral. And it ultimately doesn't matter. Yeah, there's not worth like a good CHP tweet. The Epstein files are a kind of theodicy, a theory about why there is evil in the world. In primitive cultures, they think people are good

and that bad actions are the result of possession by spirits. This belief is now prevalent on Twitter and they call the spirit Israel. A lot of people, yeah, were accusing me of like, yeah, like fad posting, caping for Israel, whatever. People will claim that it's political, that my boss, Peter Thiel, is paying me to spread a certain line.

But I just have zero patience for when people use speculation and gossip and hearsay as a displacement activity for their dissatisfaction and boredom over their personal lives, their feelings of powerlessness and impotence in their personal lives. And when it becomes like an all consuming obsession, like QAnon type shit, I just find that

kind of morally dishonest and bankrupt. I think it's not dishonest, I think it's sick. I think like people do feel so molested. They feel like they've been passed around a fucking elite circle jerk. Yeah. Metaphysically, they feel so bad in their lives that they, yeah, they don't know

if they can make sense of it sometimes. It's funny how the left and the right have this like handshake meme over elite pedophile cabal when I hear that phrase like my brain just shuts down. It's just because pedophilia obviously is so it's like the most evil thing people can think. Yeah it's like the final taboo and there was definitely it's up there. I mean super evil. Also like, let's be real. As it stands now, Jeffrey Epstein was an aphibophile, not a pedophile.

There is scant evidence that he molested anyone who was pre pubertal. There were rumblings that there were girls as young as 12 over at his compound, whatever. I think if that information ever comes to light, I will revise my opinion. I'm not saying what he did was, you know, acceptable by any means. It wasn't like adrenochrome harvesting little kids.

Yeah, it's pretty scummy and loads of. Model-esque pretty young girls who were of, many of them of a tender age. I know one personally, right? You know, it's super damaging to get molested. I'm not like at all like condoning his personal actions. I know we're just, you have, you gotta, hey, someone's gotta say it. But when I, when I.

But it's a fibophilia. And some of the girls were, yeah, Russian prostitutes who were having a probably a good time. Yeah. And who were like ambitious and like a little more resilient to sexual trauma. Yeah. But not everyone is like that. Not everyone.

There is a wide gamut of different type of girls. But they were all poor is the thing. Is Glenn Maxwell preyed on them? knew what they were doing. Some of different type of girls but they were all poor is the thing is galen maxwell played on them knew what they were doing some of them thought they knew what they were doing they were all hard up and poor people shouldn't be sex slaves for rich people yes that's really what is so to me like wrong about it isn't like necessarily the age or like yeah how traumatic i don't i just was or wasn't all i can say is that I the stuff I'm interested in we're never really gonna get answers for and It's really just pointless and counterproductive to spin your wheels about it. No, I'm not interested in the sex crime stuff total distraction

Salacious tabloid drama. I don't really care about the client list, which is neither here nor there and doesn't prove anything Because how many, um, well, it's we have this high profile, well connected people. We have the contact with the black and the flight logs. Uh, yes. So they want the client list refers to people who actually like that. He had a written list of everyone who procured an underage prostitute. Um, obviously they're not going to release that. procured an underage prostitute from him. Obviously they're not gonna release that. What I am interested in is the nature and extent

of his intelligence ties, the behind the scenes stuff that we're never gonna learn about. The truth again is probably somewhere in the middle between him being like a high level blackmailer of the elite pedophile cabal and a relatively harmless party boy why with an appetite for underage women why'd they kill him that's what i want to know is what yeah what went wrong yeah i mean why'd they arrest him why'd they kill him yeah wrong. Yeah, I mean, why they arrest him? Why'd they kill him? Yeah. What's going on? Yeah. And why did they arrest him then? When when he had been arrested prior? Yeah, in 2008.

I'd been aware of had known of Jeffrey Epstein for at least a decade before that, because there were periodic stories in the media about, you know, Bill Clinton and Alan Dershowitz's shadowy Playboy financier friend at West Bester and had a good take. I'm going to try to pull it up. I think for people, and I was, though maybe I was going to say I was naive because it was pre-COVID. Yeah. But I said this in my movie where I was like, this is a paradigm shift. And in

some ways it was, but the fact that it's been such a consistent, like, we're going to be hearing about this. They're going to keep bread crumbing us with bullshit. Well, the thing is like, yeah. And saying like, we're going to release some information and then they won't release any information. My big issue with the Epstein saga is that it kind of devolves into this true crime free for all and just overall like torpedoes, craters, the overall level, like intellectual level of the discourse, because everyone wants to get in on it. Here's the take.

It's kind of long. I'm wants to get in on it. Here's the take, it's kind of long, I'm gonna skim it. He talks about how both interpretations of his life were almost totally wrong. The initial story was that Epstein was a blackmailer, probably even saw it luring elites into sexually compromising situations and then controlling them with proof of their crimes. A counter-narrative then emerged, painting him as a perverted, vaguely harmless party guy who was guilty of some statutory crimes or maybe a pedophile, but certainly not a spy or intelligence asset of any significance. Simple logic as well as cursory familiarity with the blackmail will tell you the initial story is false.

The issue with blackmailing hostile assets is that they hate you and tell their friends. It's virtually impossible for the same blackmailer to work their way through an entire political circle because people realize what's going on and shut them out. The facts of Epstein's life on the other hand tell us that the second story is equally false. Epstein has a long history of working with both US and foreign intelligence. He was, to give one example, the main money launderer for Adnan Khashoggi's work for the CIA on Iran-Contra. As far as I can tell, Epstein functioned as a middleman, a money launderer, and dealmaker who connected intelligence, finance, and the Israeli mob, business leaders, and so on, so that various governments did not have to get formally involved in certain crimes.

Having sex parties, women around, maybe many teens would certainly help in making and maintaining these connections. The reason for the cover-up then is obvious. Tons of rich and powerful people, foreign governments and so on would be implicated if the CIA not the FBI files on Epstein were released. Maybe there would be some sexually embarrassing stuff, but far more likely as a variety of financial crimes would be exposed, threatening both the personal wealth of rich insiders as well as illicit money networks

Intel agencies used to finance their black ops. It's quite totally. I agree with that take more or less. That's probably the correct one. Yeah, it's what it's not like, and if it's not a black male factory, you know, it's it is a conspiracy in the traditional sense. It's a group of people who have, who are conspiring to protect their interests,

to protect their necks. And the thing is like, I will grant that Epstein was some sort of spy. The thing with being a spy though is everybody wants to think that it's so like, sexy and cool and glamorous, but it's actually kind of like a loser move in the sense that you're always working for the man and you're meddling in the affairs of other people. Yeah, you can't be real. Yeah, it's exhausting, tedious. That's why you got a jack off every three hours with an underage prostitute.

You have to keep busting. Yeah. Well, people do bust to relieve stress. Yeah, he's probably under a tremendous amount of stress. And of course, Michael Tracy doing the Lord's work, angel, counter signaling angelaling every Epstein truth or narrative. He had that Virginia Jeffrey long. That's a really tough position to take.

That's brave of him. It is. I want to, I want to. Especially since she recently passed. Yeah, I mean, I was sort of. Tracy, her body's not even cold. I know, I know. I was sort of getting at that on prior podcasts.

But she's on Well and- Yeah, I mean, she's obviously class a case of BPD. Well, that's why she made herself the victim. Yeah. But a lot of the victims also had BPD, which is a symptom of getting molested, Anna. Well, of course, yeah. Again, when I say that she's a BPD, which is a symptom of getting molested, Anna. Well, of course, yeah. Again, when I say that she's a BPD queen,

that is not a judgment, it's just merely an observation. She's a person who, for whatever mixture of genetics and trauma, came to relate to the world in this way. Because she got molested at a tender age. She had sex with Prince Andrew. I'm not gonna read the whole tweet because it's super long. But I'll read the last paragraph.

Epstein himself was clearly a dirtbag and openly confessed to pathological obsession with procuring teenage girls for himself. But the grander web of creepy conspiratorial intrigue that's enveloped this case and turned it into a weird, tantalizing, unfalsifiable mythology that won't go away is just an extension of the unhinged fabulism pioneered by the original accuser, Virginia Guffrey. That's not true. Guffrey contributed, but it's a fabulistic and enduring because we won't ever know the truth. They won't even give us anything that resembles,

it's such a shitty cover-up. It's like, that's what was so insulting about it to me when it happened. Because I was like, it's like the CIA is slapping me in the face. I was like, surely people will be outraged about this. And they kind of weren't. And then that's how I was having some problems with my medication.

Yeah. But I think like as a water sign, you have a much higher tolerance for like symbolism, conspiracy, the occult and so on. As an earth sign, I have zero tolerance for anything that's like fabulous or unfalsifiable because I like to only deal with the information that's in front of me at the moment. I'm very literal and unironic in that way. And I tend to think that, um, again, people's like obsession with fixation on things they cannot prove and will never know the answers to our, yeah, like a surrogate activity, displacement activity for personal feelings of lack of control or lack of purpose or lack of meaning.

Best response one ought to have to the obscene stuff, I think is to get right with God and focus on yourself. Yes, totally. Try and protect your family from getting fucked by a pedophile and just being totally exploited by a, I mean, it is like an elite class, like micro class. Like try not to get, that's why Kubrick lived in London that's why I as well takes place there because he thought he saw Hollywood and you know was neurosis

but he saw what power was and that no one should ever try and have and the people who had it were evil. But the scary thing about power is that it's the most powerful when it's like diffuse and decentralized. There is no, there's not necessarily a specific elite pedophile cabal that's like directly conspiring and colluding against you. This is sort of like Curtis Yorvin's point in one way or another about the cathedral

and these decentralized messaging networks that somehow magically all land on this dogma of wokeness. Like I don't think they're like on their phones like texting each other. They're not in a group chat. They probably are. It's not like tight, but it's yeah, it's not tidy top down just like, you know, this is the most powerful guy, This is the second most powerful guy People want that to be the case both people on the left and on the right really want that to be the case

Because it would solve a lot of their problems. Yeah, or just yeah, like you said alleviate some psychic pressure Yeah, they bring them psychic relief. Um absolve them of Direct responsibility in their own lives and business. I'm not suffering because I'm like a totally like unvirtuous person who stands for nothing. Yeah, but because I the elites are oppressing me. Yes, exactly. And the other thing he points out that I think is absolutely true in both the Epstein and the Diddy case and the Weinstein case, any high profile sex crime trial. These things become cash cows because there are

criminal charges that may or may not be convicted or whatever. But then this generates a cascade of civil cases of various opportunists trying to extract money from the cash cow. I think he has like 66 civil cases. Yeah, and there's, yeah, and I think Diddy has like 80. Diddy, that's his Diddy, yeah. Okay. Cause Diddy was acquitted of sex trafficking

and racketeering, which were the big. Yeah, the RICO and the trafficking charges which would have had. he was acquitted of sex trafficking and racketeering. Which were the big. Yeah, the RICO and the trafficking charges which would have had a sentence of up to life in prison. And now he was found guilty on two counts of prostitution, which I think the max sentence for that is 20 years, but he's probably gonna end up serving like 20 months to five years if that.

And you know what he had with him in court? Huh? You know what he had? What's that? A copy of the power of positive thinking. Did he? When they announced his acquittal, he collapsed to the floor. He'd get prayer hands and then he had

the power of positive thinking. Which a lot of people would be better off if they read, honestly. People think they're too smart to read a fucking self-help book, actually. We should review that book on the pod since everyone's buzzing about it. I am talking about it and keep sending the PDF to people

and no one opens it. It's hard to review, because it's, I mean, we reviewed the Marilyn Williamson book. That changed my life. That helped me unlock the- I don't remember it, but I remember reading it on the beach and taking like a bikini pic with it. It helped me unlock the power of praying,

which was valuable to me during a manic episode. During which I made the scary of 61st Street. So honestly, if you wanna know the real truth about the emotional truth about the Jeffrey F. Seen scandal, you should watch The Scary of 61st on Shutter or Amazon Prime in good faith. You should keep track of whether there's an uptick. I can't.

Oh, you can't. I don't have access to that. I mean, I guess I'll get like my quarterly statement or whatever that says, but it's crazy. I bet there will be like a rise in traffic for that movie. I doubt it, because people don't want to know the truth, which is that we're powerless. They want to give them an illusion of having something to like fix it on.

Yeah. Like elites. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. The Diddy thing too. Do you think the Diddy thing, it seems like they overcharged him. Yes. It was a losing battle. Because I think people can anticipate that they can extract

some cash for themselves or various DAs and prosecutors want to raise their star in the legal community. There are a lot of impure motives for bringing these blockbuster trials to court. Cause black people were so insulated from the Me Too movement for so long. Well, not Cosby. Not Cosby, but that really took a really like glossy,

like 80 women drugged and raped. It was like really bad. Yeah. It wasn't like, I mean the ditty stuff is bad, but it's more like inter relational and like party boy stuff. I guess getting my ashtray. Yeah. I mean, I don't like, I don't know. It's like, I'm just going to read other people's tweets today because I don't feel like I don't put them in your own words. Like, I'm like human grok. No, I just don't really.

I haven't been on Twitter lately. So I tried to do a Maddie suggested I was like, I did it. I was like, come up with a critique of this in the voice of Dasha of Dosh eats or whatever. And it was like, yo, what's up? Like, it was like, so I was like, that's what I yo yo yo, I was like, what the what? I was like, I don't talk like that. And then I did Anna catching was all like area diet. I was like, but like bad. It's always bad. I try and use it to generate podcast titles. And I have to be be like make it dumber or surprise it. But it's really it's like you have to have like create human creative. Like you said it can't

channel the subconscious. It can and that's where everything good comes from. Yeah. In one water sign. Yeah. Yeah. No, but Adam Lehrer made a good point that the prosecutors had no evidence that he was running any sort of like organized crime or trafficking ring or that he did anything beyond hiring hookers for himself. And like, I agree that he's like also a loathsome and scummy guy never liked his music by the way feel vindicated by that But that doesn't mean that the legal profession doesn't have to make a case and prove certain things in the court of law and He says this is exactly what they did with both Cosby and Weinstein where the prosecutors banked on widely held cultural and media Assumptions about the defendant's guilt and without actually making a case. Cosby and Harvey, however, got tried in the middle of the Me Too era, which for a brief

period allowed the prosecutors to bypass typical legal norms. Now that that moment has ended, prosecutors have to do real lawyer work again, as disappointed as some might be to see Diddy walk. People committed to freedom and American rights should see this as a victory that we can't be thrown in prison merely because the media says we should be. Yeah. I mean, that's like a hundo P. I mean, some justice needs to be served. It's not for me to revise the legal system to make like statues of limitations different. Like, yeah, I'm not about to do the, you know, I, well, this was all tried. Correct me if I'm wrong. Um, under a new piece of legislation in New York state that I think extended the

statute of limitations. We discussed it when we did. Yeah. When this case first came to light. So they're coming up with random arbitrary pieces of legislation to justify the prosecution of random celebrity figures. Who we know are freaky deaky. For viral acclaim, essentially. Mm-hmm.

Kangaroo court. Yeah, no, it's like really shocking and disturbing and you have to like be able to hold two mutually exclusive thoughts in your mind at the same time, which is that like, yes, most likely these people are really shitty and bad likely these people are really shitty and bad and guilty of all sorts of abuses against other human beings. Which they're being punished for.

Yeah, the process is the punishment. Exactly. But also that you have to be able to prove in the court of law beyond a reasonable doubt or whatever that these abuses are criminal in nature. And obviously everybody saw like the hotel elevator. Yeah, well the- Diddy tape. Once again, the New York Post.

Which was not on trial by the way. The New York Post said it best. Yeah. The headline was notorious P.I.G. and it said Diddy acquitted, but he's still a baby oil obsessed woman beater. Yeah, so true. He's a sick five and I'm glad he's suffering.

Sure. But the point is- But maybe the power of positive thinking will turn his life around. It'll be his Quran. These guys, it's to defend your average person. Well, your average person. By defending the principle of the matter.

Your average person isn't gonna be vulnerable to a show trial. Yeah, but once you set the precedent. I understand. There's also like, it's a theoretical argument. It's not justice, just, yeah. Isn't one of Diddy's sons named Justice? Or Justin, nevermind.

Ha ha! Just sweet. Whatever. And I just, I hate the, I was not really intrigued, interested in the Diddy trial. No, cause he's black and you're the real racist. Yeah. Well, yeah. I don't care about their culture. I was like, oh, sounds like some black community type of stuff.

I just assume like freaky deaky boobs are doing freaky deaky shit behind closed doors. My trainer was really upset about it because a lot of rappers that he thought wouldn't do gay stuff. My trainer was black, by the way. But he was like, no, not. He was upset about various people who were implicated

as having done gay stuff. Yeah. And he's like, ah, ah. I'm a dame. He was like, no. He's like, I thought he was hard. In retrospect, what was Nicki Minaj thinking? Marrying that guy, he has such a bitch voice. He's not hard.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't think anyone's really seriously invested in the. Though I guess they were paying people to wear hashtag free diddy shirts around who can lower New York. Yeah, I don't know. I kept seeing like groups of like young black and brown people wearing these shirts and being like what the fuck like who put you up to this it's like when they get the seat fillers for the court cases. Well, they're, is there not kind of like an OJ element to it? Where people are like-

They hate to see a black man winning. They're like, they're like, this is, they're just trying to keep a black man down. I didn't really get OJ race war vibes from this. I think Diddy is sort of unanimously unpopular with people. Nobody likes him. Why do they want him freed? Somalian pirate looking ass.

I think I probably said this. I must have, but I was in an elevator with him. Oh yeah. In the Soho house. Damn, how tall is he? He seems like five, nine. Yeah, he was no, he was, I couldn't tell maybe six, six feet or slightly under.

And he was with some chicks and he looked nervous. An ugly looking motherfucker. Yeah, he, I didn't really notice, notice him. I didn't register him as like a star. Yeah, but I just like, I as like a star. Yeah. I kind of was like, oh. But I just like, I hate this whole environment, like Me Too Unleashed, where all these various types of like sexual misconduct

and abuse are now subject to criminal litigation. It's so toxic and bad because, you know, said it before and I'll say it again, it devalues the significance of actual serious rape. Yeah, and it's become so much about, I mean, yeah, to say nothing of like, and thankfully it's diminished now, but like just the ruinous potential

of like basically interpersonal con, like someone treated you badly and you think that this warrants like public outrage. That's another human being mistreated, yeah. Yeah. Or just like public airing. Yeah, it's so undiggen. Like when people publish their private texts and DMs.

That's like one of the grossest, most low rent, most ghetto forms of communication. forms of communication. No, it like, yeah, it breaks a human bond. Yeah, it breaks a spirit to see that shit. What are you doing, bro? So yeah, no, the diddy case feels particularly rotten because I hate him and find him to be disgusting. But on the other hand, I'm glad that he wasn't convicted of the major charges, which were like trumped up and bogus.

I think he's being punished. He'll get convicted of something and this whole thing is like a humiliation ritual and he'll have to deal with tons of civil suits. The process really kind of is the one. Yeah, sure. It really does. Sometimes it's like adequate, even if. He should release an album called Black Epstein. Nice cigarettes. Oh yeah.

Whatever. I like your Aritzia fake Prada bag. I was buying those. I have it in two colors, black and taupe. Get a lot of compliments on it. It's a really good, it's a lot of shit. It's nice. I got this, I got this at the Essence sale. What is that?

It's cute. It's some like rando brand. Oh, it looks like Prada. Yeah, it was like cheap. Dasha's holding up a nylon tote with leather trimming. But it's like a nice laptop. My laptop fits in it when I go to the office. Which I haven't even been doing.

I just like the constrictor. I just put listen to white noise all day. That's why I'm like this. That's why my autism is getting worse. Yeah. Who, like who even brought the original charges against Diddy? Cassie?

Cassie maybe, I don't know. I have no idea. There was some woman called like Amber Lampros that I was reading about on USA Today, who accused him of like a variety of rapes and sexual assaults like 95, 98, 99, 2000. I think only the last one made it into the current litigation.

This was like a civil case. And she continued to have like a consensual sexual relationship with him the entire time. After he raped her 2000 times? Yeah, like he raped you at least four times and you're still seeing this motherfucker. Like, come on. I mean. And I really resent, you know.

We were so right about Me Too, come on. I know, it's crazy. And I resent, like during- That's just our podcast now that we talk about how we were. Right, how we were vindicated on Me Too. But like the whole thing that happened with Harvey Weinstein where during the trial, they tried to make it seem as if all of these different perimenopausal actresses were like wet behind the ears

Naomi Watts and Mulholland Drive Midwestern farm girls who came to Hollywood to like live the dream and were horribly disappointed it's like you knew what you were doing. You were effectively a prostitute, often literally a prostitute. Like you were prostituting, escorting in between taking auditions, going on the casting couch. Don't read me like this, okay?

I know, but that was the arrangement. That's when the abstinence stuff happened. I was like, that was raw. I was like, I thought we were leveraging our sexuality to get ahead in this industry. I thought we all had a- I'm not being morally judgmental here. That's why it was like an open secret

that people joked about at the Oscars that it was like, ha ha ha like fuck a reducer and Advantages in your career Sex to get the role blah blah like Not that I ever did that outright, but like I was you know I definitely was like Operating in the understanding that my sexuality would get me a head But you go into like the Russian bath soaking pool with like what you told the story yourself.

Yeah, it wasn't even a Russian bath. It was like, whatever. But we like, okay, we've all done. We're alone in there. I was frozen, okay? Anna, I was frozen. And I really, I mean, I was like, I didn't know what to fucking do.

But you know, my feeling about it is like, all's well that ends well. And if you behave that way, you may reap the rewards. If you know how to be discreet, like keep your mouth shut, follow the rules. And at some point,

those opportunities are gonna flatline because you're like simply too old. Your looks are fading, whatever, and you just have to like accept responsibility. I'm like, can't like retroactively punish Harvey Weinstein. Yeah, I see mistreated a lot of people as he did. He was an asshole. And he was pushy and rapey at the very least. And so he was punished for that as well. Yeah. And his business used to be profitable, which was a real crime.

The one thing that really still grinds my gears about the Weinstein case, other than the fact that like also, yeah, he's a scummy and loathsome individual, but who clearly should not be spending the rest of his life in prison. He shouldn't be in jail. That's ridiculous.

He like got so, they like showed pictures of his little weird dick and his back knees. He actually looks better than ever now that he life in prison. That's ridiculous. He like got so, they like showed pictures of his little weird dick and his back knee and stuff. He actually looks better than ever now that he's in jail. Now that he's Muslim. Yeah, but like. But yeah, he was thoroughly humiliated. That like annoying right wing take, that's like a meme now about how like after Harvey got got,

the quality of actress hotness started going down. That's not exactly what happened because at that point, by the time that started happening, Harvey was already like on the outs as a major producer. And I just really hate that take because it's so like canned and cliched. And the real problem with the Harvey story is that he's unfairly imprisoned over a kangaroo court. I don't care about... I do. But I mean, I do. I do.

And it was the death of like the power producer. Yeah. You know. And then what's his name? The guy who did like uncut jumps. It was the death of the power producer. Yeah. And then what's his name, the guy who did like uncut jumps. He got mean to. Scott Rubin. Scott Rubin got mean to because he didn't sexually abuse anybody. Because he threw a phone at an intern's head.

They did that to Ellen DeGeneres too. Then they started just like ruining people who were being mean. He yelled at somebody. And it's like, okay, some people are abusive, but it's because they're like ruthless. And that's how they like got to the top. And that's what we like had.

Not that it was like the best era of cinema, but at least it was nice. You got to go to the movie. There was like a movie with people who had real star power that you wanted to see. And that was viable because of like producers who were powerful because they said, let's get a sexy chicken. They knew what people want. You know, they like, they weren't creatives. They were managers, but they managed the film industry

pretty well. And it's fallen into shambles post COVID, post strike, the actresses are too ugly now. Because they was running that shit like monarch CEOs versus designed by committee. I mean, yeah, I agree. Like objectively speaking. But yeah, he shouldn't be dying in jail. He's not a threat. Actresses are less hot now, it's true.

Yeah, but everyone's just less skillful. Yeah, and there's just like more of them and the entertainment industry is in the pits. You know what I saw that I liked was 28 years later. Oh yeah, how was that? Really good, actually. Kind of like modern and fun. I can't wait to show the baby 28 days later. I like how like there's like a trilogy now. It's 28 days, 28 weeks, 28 years.

Yeah. They can just keep going with this forever. And it has... 28 decades later. It has like Mancunian charm and kind of an isolationist, you know, it's kind of about like an ethnostate fighting off like hordes of like super violent predators. Third world zombies. It did. I was like, this is feeling allegorical, but maybe I'm reading into it. I mean, the original one made such a big impact on me. I loved it. Killian Murphy.

So hot. So hot. Yeah. That's an amazing movie. It's one of the few movies that's actually scary. Yeah, like I still get nightmares about that movie. 28 years later wasn't super scary. I like when they have the black guy on the chain in the yard and he's like a pitbull.

The zombies. I like when the droplet of blood drips into the dad's eye and he's like a pit bull. He's like, ah. The zombies. I like when the droplet of blood drips into the dad's eye and he's like, get away from me. Cause he knows he's gonna turn. It's tough times. And like that. When the zombies are super fast, it's really scary. Yeah, when he goes into the church

and all of them turn around in unison, so fucking scary. I'm just recapping the movie. You should see 28 years later. I will. I'm gonna fire it up with the baby and traumatize him young. People say I'm a bad mom, but I'm building character. Jack Mason, take note, lots of male frontal nudity,

probably prosthetic. Riley said he heard some gay guys complaining about the prosthetic so maybe it's a popular mode of critique I really relate to the 28 days franchise because down here it is like total zombie land I really like the purge movies conceptually. Yeah. That like all crime is legal for one day and then to see the documentary. It's a documentary. How creative. Is it just legal? There was you know that um Nas song that was big in like 96 97 I Ruled the World featuring Lauryn Hill. I saw you posting about this, but I haven't heard that song. It was like number one on Hot 87 forever.

And I always found that so funny because, you know, there's a line that's like, imagine smoking weed in the street without cops harassing. And it's like, well, literally that came to pass and y'all still ain't happy. You're still doing BLM and complaining. They're not even doing BLM. Not anymore yet.

BLM is over. It's really, yeah. I won't get into it. No, no, we don't have to get into it. But it's so funny when people complain about getting arrested by cops and it's like, well, you were committing a crime, you didn't have drugs on you, you were packing heat. Like, what do you expect?

There's consequences to living above the law. I mean, Riley got stopped in Paris. He was racially profiled. Yeah. And he wasn't doing a crime, so they, you know, he was all good. Yeah. But the stop and frisk is scary.

I mean, it is true, by the way, that, again, there's a non-zero chance that something could go wrong and an innocent person could be caught up in the crosshus Harris could be like wrongfully arrested or wrongfully killed. Shit happens. I'm not saying that. Yeah, of course. Yeah. But in hindsight, the fervor that George Floyd unleashed, but that people receive this transmission that there was an epidemic of police brutality and that we had to defund the police.

It's so insane. Which is, Steve Saylor loves to point out, really harmed the black community. It did, yeah. The most by far. And that yeah, that this was like some kind of like, like, fookal, the discipline and punish consequence of, again, like, elite cabals controlling power systems, and not like the much more likely and obvious, like Occam's razor explanation, which is that certain groups, certain demographics tend to commit more crime than others for whatever combination of factors, genetic and environmental, whatever, blah, blah, blah.

We're like doing our greatest hits at this point. Socio-economic are a factor. are a factor. Should we talk about Elon? Yeah. And he is endless crash out. Yeah. He's, yeah, as I mentioned earlier, he's really harping on the Epstein list.

He's been tweeting like implying Trump's on it, that he can't be trusted. He said, how can people be expected to have faith in Trump if he won't release the Epstein files? And then on the 4th of July, he posted a survey and said, independence day is the perfect time to ask if you want independence from the two parties, some would say uniparty system.

Should we create the America party? And at the, I looked today at a screenshot, it had 65% people voted yes. But initially I think it was something like 80 up Twitter of ex users who are not, it's a cesspool, horrible. This is why all of Ayala's data sets are highly, like you are completely useless. Cause you're serving, I mean. Extremely online artists.

But also, yeah, just like random ass confused people. Indians. just like random ass confused people, Indians, Hindu nationalists, all kinds of like problematic demos are included that are very much not representative of what people really want or- That are like unreliable narrators and unfit judges. You've like designed this site that ruins people's minds and then you pulled them and they said that you should run for president. So yeah, so he's starting a third party. The America party that's mainly devoted to the cause of deficit reduction,

which is such an autistic obsession of his. And you sent me that Ross Douthat article in the NYT, Musk's third party starts with a good idea, which Douthat is so clever. I mean, first of all, he's the best the New York Times has. He is a really good writer. I'll give him that. But he's super clever because he's, he's not saying it's a good idea. He's saying that it contains the kernel of a good idea, and then he's setting it up to refute it, but in a way that's hedging his bets and preserving his plausible deniability.

Well, can I just... I think never... It's really not the time. I don't think Americans really feel like the two parties are the same. Yeah. It definitely was the case and people felt that way for a long time.

But this is exactly what Bannon talks about when he describes the inherent tension within the techie oligarchy, as he calls them in the actual MAGA constituents, is that people really saw like Trump versus like Kamala Biden Harris as like something that was substantially different. And regardless of like the political outcomes,

like people are like, you voted for this. It's like, I voted for this timeline. I was, there were two options and they were different and I voted for this one. And I don't have to be happy with it. It's like the fork in the road meme. I don't, it's not about it being perfect. I didn't, you know.

Yeah. It's, and I don't, I don't, you know. Yeah. And I don't really like that the Trump administration is taking all the heat for the Epstein list. That seems unfair. Well, some people claim they voted for Trump for the transparency around the- Well, that's retarded.

I know. I voted for Trump because I was hoping that he would combat unlimited immigration free trade. That's why I voted for Trump because I was hoping that he would Combat unlimited immigration free trade. That's why I voted for Trump Which remains to me yeah remains to be seen but I didn't vote for Trump Owing to any kind of like Epstein conspiracy theory shit. I voted for Trump out of a yeah like a personal and emotional conviction. And I'm still happy. Do you regret your decision? No, this is what I vote. I did vote for like this timeline.

I voted for this course of events, I guess. And I don't even really believe that voting is so meaningful. No, I think it's kind of like inevitable. It's not like your vote as any single individual does not count. Exactly. Essentially. And if you want to change anything about the voting system, you have to influence and persuade other people. But it also doesn't mean like a it's like strength in definite endorsement of everything that a political candidate does. Yeah, some guy was like, and I grew up such a fraud. You'll never criticize Trump. It's like, I can and I will. I'm just not going to harp on this particular

Epstein timeline that I don't give a fuck about. Who was it who said, well, Cash Patel's out there lying his ass off, but someone at some point said that they were told, and maybe this was like even prior to Epstein dying, but that he was the FBI's and to not get involved. And I think his hands are tied, like he can't, they're not gonna release the client list. There is maybe like officially no client list based on like warped reality language.

Obviously there have been investigations and they're being covered up and misconstrued for a variety of reasons, but whatever those reasons are, are something like bad, but the world is bad and things about it are unchangeable. And like the truth in this earthly sense, there's not gonna be earthly justice, earthly like revelation.

Maybe in the next life we'll get. The fact is, is like Douth that points out like, you do effectively have a uniparty system in certain deep blue and deep red states, which is where he says you have to seek these kind of independent third party candidates. And he explains why in certain deep red or deep blue states, you'll have like an aberration of like, you know, like you'll have like a Republican governor in a blue state or a Democrat governor in a red state because people are fed up with the uniparty system.

And I think like in America specifically for a long time, we were trending toward a uniparty system as a whole in terms of like the basic default mode was the Democrats running everything and the Republicans acting as their enablers and lackeys. And I don't know if that has... Trump was already outside of the two-party system was the point. It was like he was a political outsider and maybe he's not so much. Realistically, I guess he's beholden to Israel the same as everyone else,

but he's at least symbolizes something different. And I think that's what resonated with people. It wasn't- Trump is like capitalism or monogamy. He's not perfect, but he's better than nothing. And I'll take him over like Hillary or Kamala any day. Harris Walls. Yeah. And I'm not really into the whole like

when hard or Spencerian accelerationist argument that you have to have like. Democrats in power. Is that what Fuente says? He was sort of teasing out that and then Spencer said it outright. Richard Spencer? Yeah, because he was caping for Kamala. He really misconstrued my tweet in a way that was baffling, humiliating for both of us. He's probably just horny for you. I despise, I literally was like,

I cannot believe this piece of shit. Literal pearls before swine. Richard Spencer. Has the audacity to talk to me about Jeffrey. When anyone comes at me about, I'm like, you think I don't know about Jeffrey Epstein? You don't think I've actually mined in, cause I was on so much fucking Vyvans in 2019.

You don't think I've did, you don't think I raised speed, literally speed ran this? How dare you? Is the only guy who activates my late anti-white hatred where I'm like on my Azalea Banks tip. I'm like, you look like you smell like some baloney or a little fucking flinchy or like a roll of nickels or whatever.

I want to bark at him like a dog and fucking scare him. I want to go crazy. I want to punch him like that guy. Okay. T-Fox super soldier who attacked him. I get it. He's one of those punchable people. Fuck him. Anyway, what was he saying? Sorry. I got, I don't remember. He was just, he was doing the whole like Democrat accelerationist thing back at the tail end of the Trump campaign. If I remember correctly, but yeah Doutha makes this point that like,

I'm gonna just quote him. If you parse Musk's postings and repostings, that seems to mean a third party strategy that targets a handful of close Senate and House seats trying to create a legislative faction that exerts control over both bodies by preventing anything from passing without their crucial votes.

Credit were due. This is a somewhat better plan than just backing a doomed third party presidential bid in 2028. But then there's a catch. Before the travails of Doge, I would have said that it was a mistake to automatically bet against Musk. Now it seems safer to just acknowledge upfront that this plan is unlikely to work out

and that Musk will probably find it too difficult to seriously pursue. I mean, obviously. Then he gets into this pretty like smart and insightful argument about how in order to pull this off, you would need to build a trust, not only through the prospective candidate pool

in these selected states, but through the figure of Musk himself. In other words, it would have to be Musk funded, but he couldn't be the front man. Yeah, he would have to start a black male ring that made people indebted to him politically and financially. And I don't think he has it in him. And he's got these companies to fucking run. Yeah. And starting a third party in the United States is not at all like starting a company that makes like electric cars or like space rockets

or whatever, it's completely different. No, he's not cut out for politics. Yeah. I mean, outside of his like capacity to finance certain political endeavors, but it's really a mistake. Or social media platforms, like that's his major role. I mean, X sucks.

It does, yeah. He broke it. I think it's just foolish to really come at Trump like this when you've like cosigned so much of what he's like when you've been. It's like the Epstein stuff where they're like, there's a client list and all the Democrats are on it. And then they're like, oh, there's no client list.

Where he's like, I love Trump, I'm dark Maga, I'm this all the way to pivot and be like, actually he's on the Epstein list and I'm a new thing. It's like no one fucking believes you. You don't have any credibility. You seem dumb as fuck. No one cares about the deficit. No one knows what you. You don't have any credibility. You seem dumb as fuck. No one cares about the deficit. No one knows what you're talking about.

You've like single-handedly tanked the intellectual level of the discourse. We know you wanted the electric vehicle mandate. You wanted everyone to drive your shitty ass cars that make you drive to a charging station if you don't have enough battery when it should be up to you, you should have the control of your destiny. And you're like, the cyber trucks disgusting, X fucking sucks.

Grock, I hate that it's called Grock. They like made it racist. I'm getting all horny for Grock because it's being like anti-Semitic. I'm like, yeah, daddy. The CEO resigned. Focus on yourself. We don't want the America party.

We don't want the EV mandate. We don't want the techie. That's not why Trump won. Also, you're an immigrant. You're not even from here. He's like, he's like, so Ron Mom, Donnie, he's an African American. Oh my God. I don't even care about Zora Mom Donnie lying,

checking black on his Columbia application. Which his dad was a professor at? And he didn't even get in. It's like a done deal. If your dad is a professor at a school, you automatically get in. Isn't that like guaranteed? That's why you went to Rutgers.

Yeah, literally. Literally you went to Rutgers. Low key literally. Literally, you went to Rutgers. Low key, I would have gotten into Rutgers anyway, because it's not the- Sure. Not because I'm so smart or such a good student, but because the- Acceptance rate's pretty high.

Yeah. The admission criteria's pretty mid. Anyone can get into Rutgers. But he said he was black, which is, I don't care, whatever, but the amount of people being like, as a man, as an immigrant with parents from, who's lived on different continents and is all these like ethnic identities,

of course is confusing. It's like, don't act like he was not confused. He knew what he was doing. He was not confused. For an what he was doing. He was not confused. For an 18 year old with South Asian parents, who was born in Uganda. Yeah, Uganda be kidding. Uganda be good.

Uganda be fucking good, bro. Yeah, so I guess all of this came out because of hack documents that Chris Ruffo then broke, which disclosed his SAT scores, which were 2140 out of 2400. I don't know what that means because I'm really aging myself, but back when I was- You did the 1600.

Yeah, I did the 1600, so I don't even know what this means. I did the, or 19, I forgot. Yeah. I did the 24. Okay. How'd you do? Don't say it. 1950. Out of? 24, I think, yeah.

Okay, so. Because I didn't do math. I also took it in my junior year because I graduated high school early. I didn't really prep. I kind of was just trying to exit my situation. So I just did it. I wasn't, I didn't do that well.

Same. But I just did it. I wasn't, I didn't do that well. Same. I'm verbally intelligent. I'm not a shape rotator or anything like that. And so he did kind of okay. He did okay. I think even mine were like 90 something percent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I was like, I'm not that smart. I'm not that fucking dumb, I guess. Like Fredo and the Godfather. So that's on the lower end of median scores for admitted students, but likely above the median score for black students. So what he's doing clearly, it's a strategic reason.

He's checking the African American box to signal that he's black because that would make his SAT scores seem less mid so that he stands a higher chance of getting admitted to Columbia, but also then he gets to retain some plausible deniability and pretend that he could potentially be confused because he is literally an immigrant from Africa to America. But he also checked the Asian box as an Indian guy

whose parents hail from the Gujarat region of the subcontinent. If he really wanted to telegraph his national identity, he would specify in the notes that he was Ugandan American. I think he did write Uganda. Yeah, but he's basically like double dipping and trying to say, I'm black and Asian, I'm Blazian.

Like Tiger Woods. Yeah. And this was at a time when wokeness was on the rise. Columbia, like many elite universities, had a race conscious affirmative action and missions program in place. This is from the New York Times, which is reporting this information

in eminently neutral tone, acting like they weren't in on the game. Wait, in on what game? Like they were promoting all of this anti-racist, Black Lives Matter affirmative action shit from the jump. And now they're kind of like dialing it back. They're like platforming Curtis Yorvin. A ton.

Yeah. They can't shut up about him? They can't shut the fuck up about him. They're like, Elon Musk consulted Curtis Yorvin, both of them declined to comment for the interview. It's like. Who told you that? Who leaked that?

Curtis Yorvin is up in there. Who told you guys that? The biggest attention whore. I love him to death. One of my favorite monarchists, easily. Yeah. No, I don't have ill will towards him. I don't have ill will towards, I did vaguely,

but every time I see him, I'm like toward your RV. I mean, I find him sweet and endearing. I like that he whips out the baby picks and wants to compare. I like that. He kind of like talks at you doesn't really ask questions. Yeah, he's a nice and he's charming guy. I see why the New York Times can't get enough of him. Yeah.

But we digress from what we were talking about. Once you get to know a guy and realize that he's not like Machiavellian or malevolent, you kind of just like have to accept him for what he is but the truth is it really is like Kubrick ask because the truth is so much like bleaker and more mundane can I steal a Cigaroni so Ron said his answers on the college application were an attempt to represent his complex background given the limited choices before him not to gain an upper hand in the admissions process. Bullshit.

That's not that complicated. Eric Adams replied, the African-American identity is not a checkbox of convenience. It's a history, a struggle and a lived experience. For someone to exploit that for personal gain is deeply offensive. So true, Kang. Actual African-Americans would never do that.

They would never exploit their- We have a black man. Identity for personal gain. They would never start a movement- To launder money. To launder money to buy real estate properties. Honestly, we're a smart. We're a smart.

Well, remember- Honestly, I'm not even mad. I got it. I would. Remember when Ibram X. Kendi, when Boston University gave him $40 million to start? We talked about this on the phone. I was so wet brain.

Oh my God. I've been strangled too much. They gave him something to the tune of like, I've been sexually choked out too hard. Causes brain damage. I'm like always like making excuses for my like lack of mental clarity and acuity. I'm like, I have mommy brain, long COVID,

functional alcoholism. This is really because I've been choked out too hard too many times. But okay, I was talking to Wade at some Wigger BBQ and as usual he had like the best most reason take on this, which was that Zoran checking the African American box was relatively low on his list of offenses. Yeah, no, no, that's why I don't really care. He saw it as kind of like youthful folly that we've all been guilty of.

I was very, I had a hard time with applying to colleges because I remember there was like a drop down list of like my parents occupation. Yeah, and Circus Freak. Yeah, one Circus Freak. Literally, I was like, this isn't tailored. Like, I remember feeling really,, he didn't feel this way because his dad taught there obviously. And his mom was like a world renowned filmmaker. But I felt, I was like, oh, I'm really alienated from this

as an immigrant with unconventional upbringing. But I was like, yeah, this isn't, I'm not, my parents haven't donated money to this fucking school. They don't, I'm not gonna get into like a good college because I'm not that smart. But also like, it's not, this isn't my game to play. I mean, my dad point blank said, I am not paying for Cornell or Columbia.

You go to Rutgers and you get comp sci degree and I write your PhD because they have woman quota and you know the rest is history. So yeah useful folly I'm completely willing to forgive. It doesn't matter. Yes and then there was that yeah I don't know if I agree with him. What a fan. It is very charitable. What offends me is people acting like he's this is indicative of some like confused innocence, naivete. It's not he clearly knew he was doing his parents put him up to it. It was like very obvious.

It's like that one time that what that like, what's your job? Yeah. What the fuck? Well, it's like that one time that Indian girl. I've told the story on the show before, the Indian girl from my high school lied on her college admissions and said her mom had cancer. That's crazy. Which is Indian word, bad karma.

Well, you also know how much like Indians and Asians piggybacked off of BLM to start like their own social justice movements that didn't really apply. But Zoran- That didn't follow the same logic and they just kind of like, were like brown, BIPOC. Yes, they were willing to overlook the fact

that the vast majority of hate crimes against Asians are committed by black teens. Yeah, no, it was completely in their lot in with the black community, the oppressed and the marginalized, the voices of the unheard because they thought they could get ahead. And so Ron's frankly brilliant for doing that because by checking both black and Asian, he's signaling that he's high IQ and high responsibility, but at the same time, oppressed and marginalized. Well, they also leaked his like op-eds. Oh yeah, his blog post from 2014 where he's like seething about not being able to express his racial identity in class and also his lack of sexual access to white women.

They laugh at him when he pronounces the H in his name. Or like when he tries to correct them on the pronunciation of like a Desi surname. This is where I... That's so annoying. If Russian people didn't, Russian people don't do that. Yeah. I've never been like, actually. It's like a Russian pronunciation.

Yeah. Yeah. I've never even, my name is Negrosova. Yeah. And I come. You're like Necrosova. I came to America, I said my name Necrosova. Necrosova.

Hatchian. It's fucking phonetic, you guys can figure it out. Like, that's crazy. But the real pronunciation of my name is so ugly and disgusting, it sounds like a pubic cord. Hatchian. Hatchian. Hatchian.

Hatchian. Necrosova's beautiful. Dariya Dmitrievna Necrosova, that's my name. That sounds so aristocratic. Let's call me Dasha Necrosova's beautiful. Dariya Dmitrievna Nekrasova, that's my name. That sounds so erudistic. Let's call me Dasha Nekrasova. Yeah. All good. Just happy to be here.

Is it Anna or Anna? I'm like, boy, you horny. Who cares? But I'm actually quite forgiving of his 2014 pro-brown anti-white blog post. Right wingers take this stuff at face value and then they see this young person. I mean, like Zoran would have been what?

Like 22 or 23 at the time. They see him like expressing like pro-brown anti-white sentiment and they're like, they think that he's being totally sincere and dead serious. But part of it is like literally that like young people are divorced from the true motives underlying their ideological convictions, because also let's face it,

they just want to socially belong and be sexually desirable. So they come up with all these elaborate explanations for why they aren't that and blame external factors such as racism or misogyny when the reality is that you're just awkward and maladjusted and have a bad personality. And there's this point in the blog post where he's talking about how the white students

would sigh whenever he tried to like pronounce some names correctly. And that's just like not true because you have to remember that all the white students in his cohort are sipping the woke Kool-Aid just as much as he is and are probably walking on eggshells around guys like him. And if they're sighing, it's literally because he's being a performative little bitch and his personality sucks or possibly it's just all in his head. Yeah. But like you said, with young people, it doesn't seem to apply

in his case. Sometimes they're rebelling against their parents. Yeah, like they do feel convicted in their beliefs. Yeah, because they are colleges can be, you know, it's a confusing time. I don't I don't think like, so Ron is young people are allowed to have dom in bad opinion. Yeah, I don't think that he is what the right wing makes him out to be exactly like I don't think that he's a vehemently

vitriolically anti white ideologue. I think that it's rather stupid and mindless on his part. It's like a reflexive knee-jerk reaction. All these power hungry. Yeah. Well, he's power hungry. Yeah. Yeah. He's not like sincerely. That's the impression I get.

Yeah. The one troubling detail that I did glean from that New York Times article, the write up about him, like saying that he's African American and Asian on his college admissions is that he remains the dual citizen of America and Uganda. I think that should be disqualifying when running for elected office in the United States. Like you should not be a citizen of any other country. You should renounce your citizenship. That's crazy. Not allow, not allow.

That's insane that that would even be. Yeah. I mean, there's probably so many who are citizens of Israel. And no, I know. I mean, yeah, you should just not be a dual citizen. They will. When Ted Cruz went on Tucker, and he was, what's the Jewish lobbyist organization called?

The what? Like the big Jewish lobby. Oh, ADL? No, no. There was like a specifically Israeli one. God, I'm so stupid. But he was like, what are they lobbying for? And he was like, nothing.

It's like, obviously they are lobbying for a different country. They shouldn't be allowed to do that. And that's the biggest, I guess, disappointment outright about the Trump administration is it kind of like lays bare how owned we are. But people are starting to notice at least, and maybe it's better it's out there.

I don't know how to, you know, I don't know. I mean, my main beef with Zoran isn't that he's anti-Israel or anti-Semitic. It's that he's a retarded communist. He's a foreign communist. With dual citizenship, yeah. And it sucks because this is like the worst like rat fuck, like rat king circle jerk ever,

because all the Jews are out in full effect, counter signaling him for being anti-Jewish, calling attention to their cause, like blatantly lying about the source of anti-Semitism. They do be doing that. We should just talk about autoerotic asphyxiation. Or just erotic asphyxiation. Oh, yeah.

A regular erotic. Is the issue. Yeah. So, okay, I'm going to pee. Yeah. I'm so horny already. I like how you keep nervously checking the zoom recorder to make sure it's still going. Because we're in a different space, so it's more out of reach. And I would hate. We're doing a good job. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to make sure it's okay. But I left it rolling. So I'm gonna have to cut up my bathroom break out.

Oh, yeah. Okay. So there was an article in The Guardian about the dangers of choking women during sex. There's no safe way to do it. The rapid rise in horrifying risks of choking during sex. Yeah, no shit, there's no safe way to do it. That's why it's erotic. There's no safe, as we've said on this show, there's not even really a safe way to have sex. No. There's really no such thing.

Using a condom is basically like having lesbian sex. It doesn't count. It doesn't count, yeah. It's not, if you're not touching the inner walls, then you're not really having sex. Growing concern around the normalization of choking, i.e. strangulation during sex, has led to the recent announcement

that pornography depicting it will be criminalized in an amendment to the crime and policing bill. This is in the UK, but obviously there's like a similar discourse raging in the US. But they can't do it here. Apparently it raises your risk for brain damage, stroke, death, et cetera. My notes say Brian damage,

because I'm so stoked. It just seems like a meme to me, first of all. Like who's actually getting regularly choked out during sex? Well, apparently, 64% of college-aged women at some point have experienced choking. The article quotes heavily from a founder of a campaigning group called We Can't Consent To This, the WCCTT. Wow. Kirsten and I. And they're furious, but not at all surprised.

And I went on their website where they, basically they explicitly lobby, this is their stated extent, but obviously they want all choking to be banned. But they- What could possibly go wrong when you ban choking? They don't want men who murder women to get off with manslaughter.

By saying that she asked me to choke her. Well guess what she did. She probably did. And while the thing about them, yeah on their site it says at least 60 UK women. And I was like, okay, since when? Yeah. Like what?

Yeah, where is your data coming from? It's literally like since the 70s. Yeah, they cite. There have been 60 women who have been killed in who've been strangled by their sex partner and then the website features test extensive testimonials that are some of the horniest shit. He choked me and it felt like a kiss. No, they're all literally like and all of a sudden he was six feet tall and above me. And I met him on a BDSM group. And the next thing I knew, he was hurting me

and touching me with his strong hands. And I felt his rough hands on my body. I literally was like, what is it? What? What is the point of publishing? No one's reading this to be concerned. They're like gooning while feigning moral outrage. This is psycho.

They cite all this data and legislation on choking and other dangerous, possibly criminal sexual practices, but obviously the data is spotty and the legislation tends to backfire. Is there more data because more women are getting choked out or is it merely because more people are thinking about it, talking about it, et cetera? It's like the autism hypothesis. They literally started something in the UK called the Institute of Addressing Strangulation,

established with home office funding in 2022. Imagine A, working in that office and B, being a taxpayer that funds that office. Your country, your cities are being overrun by migrants from the third world, and they're trying to like, fund some fake and gay institute that addresses like, Zoomettes getting choked out by their boyfriends. What are you talking about? By their situationships.

But Anna, okay, so because I was confronted with a number, I was like, what the fuck? So then I did kind of run the numbers and then I was, you know, I was a little curious. And something like 10,000, it's like the numbers are, I think I'll be, I don't remember because I've ran over being choked during sex, but it was like something that was like six to 10, 10 being the absolute most.

Yeah. Women are raped per year by migrants. Yeah. So that's clearly a far bigger problem. Yes. That's a bigger problem than like, than like people getting choked to death randomly and like some guy getting off because he says she asked for it. And they're getting choked by Caleb,

but you're actually getting choked by Muhammad and his friends. They're still getting charged with manslaughter. So it doesn't seem that it it just seem it's so. And they'll try to chalk it up, choke it up. Choke it up. To the prevalence of porn or like the excesses of sex positivity or whatever. But really what it comes down to is that like,

basically like young people, they're having casual sex and hookup scenarios or they're not having any sex at all. We're not sure which is more problematic. Yeah, and like, oh, here's a really good paragraph. Well, I think, yeah, you go ahead. For Lucy, not her real name, this is one of the girls that they interview about the perils of sexual choking.

Pleasure. Strangulation during sex has become something that she hopes she'll never return to, something she has almost grown out of. I've been with my current boyfriend for over a year and at some point we had a conversation where I asked, why don't you choke me? He said he had no desire to.

Listen to that paragraph again. They had a convo, but she's not saying to him, please don't choke me. I don't like it. Or even, do you want to choke me? Or have you ever had a desire to choke me? Do you get off on choking? She's asking, why haven't you choked me?

She's shit testing him because in the foiled brain, if he's not doing it, but everyone else is doing it, or he's doing it to other girls, then he's not that into you and you're not that special. And I posted that on Twitter and I had like mad dudes in the DMs being like, I have never initiated choking. It's always the girl who brings it up or like slapping any rough sex practice. I mean, there's some.

There are men who initiate it, but let's be real. It's like what, like when you think about that, what can be explained as like toxic masculinity in hindsight can more readily be explained as overexcitement or over or over enthusiasm in the present moment. Well again, I really urge the people to check out the testimonials on the WCCTT campaign site because they read completely. They're indistinguishable from sexual fantasy. Yeah.

I don't think I'm like- From like erotic fiction. It's like these women have heavily eroticized these experiences and crave them and there's nothing wrong with that. Here's another quote. Never was rough sex discussed before, during or after. Among my friends, there's this competitiveness

about not being boring, not being vanilla. I think it's very prevalent for women my age and no one wants to kink shame anyone, says Lucy. And it's like, okay, obviously, what's going on here is like that women, like they have these desires, these urges that they are ashamed of, cannot take responsibility for, that are ratcheted up by

intersexual competition. And then they have to flip around and blame men or society. I mean, I don't think they're wrong exactly. I do think that the prevalence of pornography has shifted the tropes that are expected, especially in a casual sex encounter where people don't really know each other. They both probably watch a ton of porn,

so they're both like acting out things that neither of them really want. Yeah, it seems like men are under the impression that women want it and women are under the impression that men want it. No, there's so few people out there that are like, I feel actively like exploiting others for their own extreme sexual gratification.

Very few people are actual narcissistic or sociopathic personalities who get off on the pain of others. They are trying to get you off. They think it's something you want. They want to be desired by you and to be perceived in a certain way. You get, you don't really know each other. So you're just kind of like enacting something you've seen in a porno. And women are like, Oh, well, most other girls are frigid and annoying. So I'm going to be, um, slutty and pornographic and fulfill his fantasies.

Well, and men are like, uh, well, most other guys are like cocks or like soylennials or whatever. So I'm going to be like aristocratic and aggressive and like buck the me too trend. Most people are actually bottoms and people pleasers and wanna make a good impression. And also like that, you know, they talk about like, how like, you know, in addition to like the choking

and slapping men will often say like, I want to rape you or I'm gonna, I'm gonna rape you. They just think you want to hear that largely negates the possibility of any actual rape, which tends to depend on like an element of surprise. It's basically like a display of affection age gap and he said he was gonna rape her. And then this Lucy, if she even exists, talks about how she did these things

in service of like male gratification. But then she raves about her current boyfriend who she's so orgasmic with, which women always do. They love to say their current boyfriend has the biggest dick. And he's making them come the most anyone ever has. Because he doesn't want to choke her, she's acquiescing to his sexual desires, which I guess are vanilla and reframing that as something that's empowering. But if she got another boyfriend who wanted to choke her, she'd be like, he's based in

Red Building and sexual monarchist over here. He wants to be the CEO of my pussy. Exactly. Do you think Curtis Yarbon's a good lover? He's probably sensual and passionate. He's probably sensual and passionate. I'm going to actually say I truly think, yeah. Yeah. And not because I'm attracted to him or anything like that, but because he's a poet.

I think, yeah, he's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But he's an intriguing lover. He goes to Devere mode. You're getting Shakespeare from somebody. He's built different.

Yeah, I'll give him that. I'll give him that. I remember my dad when he was raping me. Oh yeah, I'll give him that. I'll give him that. I remember my dad when he was raping me, just kidding. When he was trying to show affection to his kids or to his pets, he would get overheated and like catch us in his arms and give us like a violent noogie. Not because he like wanted to wound or hurt us,

but because he was so like, we were so cute and he was so enthusiastic. And that's like the nature of like, that's how men express love, like, especially when faced with a woman that they're sexually attracted to, like they have to toggle between two conflicting impulses, which are like to destroy you and to take care of you. Well, the issue is a lot of these people aren't in love. No, they're not, but like, they're just trying to do something they saw someone else do that they think the woman wants,

but usually because she's verbalized and said that she wants it because she thinks that's what he wants. Because she wants to impress him. It's just an irreverence. And seem like a good, yeah. Of like people who aren't really in touch with their desires. And so they're like both harming each other. I bet if you surveyed men, they'd say

it was really upsetting. I was like, this girl, she wanted me to hit her. Yeah. And I don't really want to and make me feel bad. Yeah. Like I think lots of sensitive young men out there aren't trying to maximize harm in their sexual encounters. No, no.

Most people actually like somewhat intense and rough, but ultimately vanilla heterosexual sex. Sorry, I hate to break it to you. But also there's nothing like, if these people really cared, they would be doing advocacy around like safe ways to choke, you know, like, cause people aren't gonna stop choking each other.

The real ones, the real chokers out there are gonna stop. Yeah. Cause they see it less in porn and it's like very much a natural impulse because it is intense to be deprived of oxygen. Yeah. And simultaneous to an orgasm. It's like, it's not fucking brain.

I'm not, I feel like, I feel like Elon Musk in his Dessau costume right now. They're like, trying to explain something really basic actually. It's like not that deviant. And like, if it's not path, if you don't have to be choked every time, it is like getting choked is like scary and painful.

Yeah, so it's having sex. Yeah, but specifically getting choked because it really collapses your windpipe. Well, feeling out of control feeling. You're going to go sore throat. Yeah, I know it's not sustainable to insist on or inflict on other people without their consent. It's really personally not my fave thing.

I'm not a choking advocate. I'm not a choking advocate either, but I can understand the basic. They also were loops, trying spanking in there. Yeah, slapping, slapping. Spanking too., trying spanking in there. And I'm like, don't. Slaping, slapping. Spanking too. Oh. They said spanking at one point.

I was like, spanking? Yeah, well I'm really, yeah. Okay, come on. Let people live. Yeah. Can a boop not breathe for a second? Just a little. And like when you are in love with someone

and you have good sex with them, they will be adept at choking you in a way that doesn't cause you death. That's not true. No. I mean. No, no, no. I know. Maybe I'm coping. But I'm again, I'm not okay I'm not some I'm not a freak I'm normal I don't have a thing for it you know whatever I mean I don't know I but I do think there are like I mean okay is violent the violent impulses in plus it in sack yes Andrea Dworkin, absolutely right. Like all heterosexual sex is race. Yes. Yes.

Again, I say that's a good thing. She thinks it's a bad thing. Yeah. It's just a gather around young people. It's just a real thing. It's just that sex is aggressive and relationships are aggressive and yeah, they're combative, uh, conflicted, scary. They wouldn't be erotic if they were like sanitary, seamless, if you were wearing your COVID mask and asking for affirmative consent at every juncture. They're like, oh, you have to ask for consent when you choke somebody. It's like, no, that negates the whole power and purpose of the choking, which again,

I'm not really like a huge fan of. No, no. And like, you know, you realize like when it comes to having like good sex, it's like, there's really like no technique or strategy involved. It's just like rare. You I'm really not. There's really like no technique or strategy involved. It's just like rare. You have to be compatible. You have to have some trust,

meaning you have to do it over and over again with the same person. And most people in most scenarios rarely get past the hookup phase, which is like a kind of fact of life, post sexual revolution. I mean, you have, I have this really traumatic, not really traumatic, but my former acting teacher

said something that really struck a nerve once where he was screaming at us, very classic acting teacher style about how we were all like so untalented and doomed. And it's because we were so dissociated and he said and you guys you think you're like i know some of you guys are fucking i was like fucking a guy in my acting class and we did have really just you know it was like he was like you're just using each other as like human dildos and pocketbushes you don't you're not real you're all so like fake

i mean that's so true just like the vast majority that's so true. Just like the vast majority. And I was like, fuck. That's why I kind of also check out when I hear the dating discourse or the gender discourse, because it's like, yes, this is all worsened by social media porn and so on. But the vast majority of people have zero chemistry and are not compatible. And it's like very rare that you encounter somebody who you have, who you're like sympatica toward. It's like, you know, taking, take the internet out of it, just like a rare occurrence.

And even then it's like basically not guaranteed to last, doomed to fail one way or another. Louis CK bit, one of you dies before the other one, even if you make it to the end. That's the best case scenario. Well, it's kind of bleak and sad. So like, that's not... My emphysema is acting up from getting choked.

What if people hit each other if it's... Whatever. I guess, yeah, I was gonna say they're not hurting anybody, I'm getting choked. What if people hit each other if it's, whatever. I guess, yeah, I was gonna say they're not hurting anybody with the cases they are hurting some people, but it's such a minuscule amount of people. It seems so extra to like campaign and broadcast concern over something so fake. Like all these like thin lipped,

po-faced church ladies swooping in. They sell t-shirts that say like vanilla on them. Yeah. Or like neoprude or something. It's like they're just really, it's like, it's feminine branding. Yeah. And it's so gross. And it's like good luck.

I mean, I think like the key to solving this problem is to introduce more like discretion and mystique into the whole thing and like not talk about not destigmatize it so much. Yeah. Yeah. Like sex and relationships are essentially high risk and you wouldn't want it any other way. We're all bug chasers here. Once again, you said it, there is no such thing as safe sex.

There isn't, there shouldn't be. It's really wise. Yeah. There shouldn't, it's not true. If you're having safe sex, you're not doing it correctly. And you're probably not having a good time. You're doing it wrong, yeah. And that's worth evaluating and just, yeah.

But I feel bad for all these young people who are like not tapped into their needs or desires. And I'm fundamentally like simpatico to them, copacetic, whatever, like I get it. Well, yeah, when I was young, I didn't know. Yeah. And like I get it. Well, yeah, when I was young, I didn't know. Yeah. And like, you know, I thought I was like,

you could meet one guy and be like grossed out by the experience of him choking you out and then you could meet another guy and be like, touched and riveted by it. It really depends on the person. Yeah. And part of life is on the person. Yeah. And part of life is rolling the dice. And just fucking around and finding out.

Just fucking around and finding out. And like you're statistically more likely to get raped in general. Or to be celibate and childless. Well, that's the other thing. It's like, you know, there's this big furor about choking when the reality is that women be like crushing birth control pills and shoving tampons up their pussies. Like they're doing way more horrific and risky things to themselves at all times.

I know. Like, you think about what that really entails. Like I saw the tweet right before you got here about toxic shock syndrome. How some like literal like pre pubertal or early pubertal girl almost died because she had massive organ failure because it turns out she had a tampon in and was swimming in some lake in the Ozarks and the bacteria from the lake

contaminated the tampon string and gave her TSS and she was like not expected to pull through and she did say a prayer for her but like yeah like you're putting like xenoestrogens and microplastics up your pussy every time you menstruate because it's the convenient thing to do and you'd rather like not wear a pad because that's gross and messy. You roll the die every time with that. I mean, yeah. It's true.

And like, there's just way bigger problems. Generally, my experience is like, you're with a guy and you ask him to like reel in his like, violent and rough behavior, he will, because he wants to make you happy at the end of the day. Yeah, he just is trying to make you happy. And a lot of people have been conditioned. And again, because people don't really know each other,

the violence becomes like a way of approximating intimacy in lieu of like the real thing. It's just an easy way to like feel more intense and close to someone. People are always like chasing the dragon of intensity. Inflict violence on you because you don't actually know them and they don't really like you. Yeah.

So at least if you can get them to hit you, you'll feel like they care. Yeah. But they don't. It is, well it's like the old domestic abuse mantra. And don't necessarily even wanna be hitting you. Yeah, there comes a moment in every woman's sexual life, the moment that happens again and again,

where a man inflicts violence upon you and you're crushed and devastated and are secretly holding back tears, but then you're like, no, he actually loves me and this is his ham-fisted poor way of showing affection. That's the nature of heterosexual sex. Sometimes it is. Sometimes it is. Yeah.

Like, I mean, it usually is like just like literally the vast majority of people you encounter are not dark triad personalities who are trying to inflict malevolent harm upon you for their own pleasure and enjoyment. Their bottom. And they don't even know what they want. And neither do you. And that's why you're in this situation. I hope you survive. So true.

Because no one's really being honest about their desires, which I've been advocating for years. I don't know how I even came up with that, but that's so true. It is. Yeah. But you have to take responsibility for what you want. Yeah. And that entails knowing what you want.

Well, yeah, it entails identifying and owning what you want, which is hard for literally anyone to do. Name it and claim it. Yeah, and you also want different things at different times. True. And you have to compromise with what other people want. at different times. True. And you have to compromise with what other people want. You can't just, unless you're like dark triad tyrannical, you won't always get everything exactly how you want.

So you have to find, you have to improvise. I mean, that's really the best advice I have to give. Yeah, but like the choking discourse, which rears its ugly head every six months to a year, is really also about like church ladies and moral scolds. Well, these women definitely, they like- Pretending to be looking out for other younger, more vulnerable women because they're like bored and dissatisfied with their own lives. They just want, and I suspect this is true about a large portion of like anti-pornography people

as well. Though some of those people I feel are more have more conviction because of their like background. But with the choking specifically I do think they just want to talk about choking because it titillates them. So they think they just want to talk about choking because it's it elates them Yeah, they want to perpetuate a conversation How all these men are out there trying found and fund a whole Institute about it on taxpayer dollars that should be going to prosecuting Pakistani rape gangs But they want yeah to proliferate a conversation about choking because they are personally titillated and they're under trapped.

Yeah. And they want to live in this fantasy, hand made tale where everyone's trying to rape them and choke them. Yeah. And it's just not adding up. Yeah. The numbers just aren't there. No. We could wrap adding up. Yeah. The numbers just aren't there. No. We could wrap it up.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's get out of here. Yeah. See you. See you. you