Red Scare - Groom Cave

Episode Date: January 13, 2025

The ladies discuss annexing Greenland, congestion pricing, and grooming gangs. Plus, Dasha recaps her trip to Trinidad.

We are recording. We're back. Welcome back. I'm back from the Caribbean. Do I look tan? You do. You look good. Thank you.

I was really... Were you working on it? Yeah, but I was out and about a lot. I saw you were doing a lot of walking around. Yeah, and I was not always applying sunscreen. Just to work on that nice base tan, thank you. Sorry. Trinidad's amazing.

You say more. I was one of the only white people I even saw outside of the hotel. I met some really nice Rastafarian people and learned about Rastafarianism, which I honestly didn't know. I thought they like worshiped weed. Yeah, that's a fair assumption. But they don't. They smoke ganja.

They worship. Sacramentally. An Ethiopian king called Haile Selassie, is that correct? Ding, ding, ding. Cool. Yeah. Who I had no idea about. I sort of didn't either, but kind of did because I was a Fuji's fan growing up. And I was like, what is this reference?

Interesting. But I don't know anything about it or him. Well, I went, Riley and I were trying to smoke weed. So we, trying to smoke weed, so we asked this guy with a Rastafarian guy with a like a Cookie Monster backpack at the park if he could help us and he took us he took us all around circuitously he took us to an ATM and then to like a drug den and it had all these pictures of that guy. This is how pain games start.

And I was like, who is this amazing? What is all this stuff? And then I did a little research and yeah, and they worship they think he's the manifestation of jaw on earth But he himself is an Ethiopian orthodox Christian, okay, so a lot of Rastafarians when they like Bob Marley amazing guy Did you guys know Bob Marley was based? Was he? I mean, in his own way, yeah. In that he, you know.

He was like, woked in the old sense of the word. Yeah, anyway, he made a pilgrimage to Ethiopia as some Rastafari do, and then oftentimes they become Orthodox. Okay. Rastafari do and then oftentimes they become orthodox. OK. All I know about Bob Marley is that he sired a lot of children with a lot of different women based. Yeah. And also that he refused Western medicine to cure his toe cancer. And then he died. And then he died.

Yeah. Which. And then he died at 36. Yeah. Which. And he got shot. I tweeted this, but I watched the Von Wiley dog and the Ronald Reagan dog. Same birthday. Okay. Aquarius?

Yeah. Okay. February 6th. And very similar, you know, both letting like the whole jaw guide them. Handsome actor types that were concerned with public perception. What was I saying? I'm Rastafari now. White people can be Rastafari. I'm into a Dasha Rasta arc. From the island.

Yeah, you just like get dreadlocks and start lecturing people and weed. But it really made me think like weed should be this hard to get like yeah you should have to buy it from like Rastafari people. A guy who leaves you on a video game quest where you may or may not be robbed and raped. Well yeah they declared a state of emergency a couple days before I went to Trinidad because apparently there's a ton of gang violence. But it's pretty isolated. But there's like a ton of gangs.

What's the gang demographic breakdown? Is it like blacks fighting Indians or are they mixed? It's mostly Afro-Caribbean and mixed people. There's two, the PM resigned while I was there. Damn. I mean, nothing happens. And he didn't really resign. He said he wasn't going to run.

He did a Trudeau because they have a parliamentary Afro Caribbean, just Trudeau. Indo Caribbean, I guess, if you have that turbine on. But they have a parliamentary system I learned similar to Canada because of the Thank you, Anglos. Thank you. Yeah, you really there's a lot of really beautiful like colonial architecture that's like run down and you know it's really fun yeah it's like a

relic of uh anglo civilization and governance i'll get back to this when we talk about the grooming gangs but i was watching this clip of Jordan Peterson on Piers Morgan. He's like, it's just, it's so sad to see what you guys are doing to yourselves as an American or a Canadian, this glorious civilization and culture and you guys aren't growing a spine or standing up for yourself and you are the ones who gave us decent government and common law. And he's 100% right. I'm not even mocking him. I mean, Trinidad's very corrupt.

Yeah. And it's basically, it's kind of a welfare state, I was told. Yeah, definitely. It's like Haiti. It's probably just like a client state. I mean they of the US Like who's their main benefactor they have had Mmm, I don't know. I mean

They have a lot of trade relations which I was in part of Spain, which isn't really like a vacationy destination, it's kind of like commercial. And there was like some Japanese presence. I mean, they have oil, that's how they got their money. But then they became independent in like the 60s. They got decolonized. And now they're extremely corrupt. And the two parts of colonization.

No, because I mean. Bitch. But it's like you do, I was like, wow, like the problems here feel so insurmountable. And this is just a tiny Island, you know? And like, how can you even America such a big place? It's crazy. Donald Trump's going to fix it all. And by annexing Greenland and the Panama Canal and Canada.

I don't know much about this topic. But off the top of my head, it doesn't seem like the worst idea. Well, there isn't really, I mean, Trump had a press conference at Mar-a-Lago where he said that they asked if he would use military or economic pressure in his project, or if he could say that he wouldn't, he said no. And then Trudeau tweeted that, I mean it really is such a like-

He got Trudeau to rage quit. Retarded timeline. Well, Trudeau quit before. Oh, okay. I'm trying to find my phone, sorry. I'm just gonna keep promoting this false narrative that Trump cucked Trudeau into quitting. Is that in my duffel bag, in my coat rather? No.

Sorry. No, it's okay. Anyway, he said that there's no chance that Canada is gonna become part of America, which a little bit of hubris there, I thought. Aren't a surprising number of Canadians actually kind of into the idea? That's what I heard.

I mean, there's always, yeah. And Greenland is has like 50,000 people. Yeah. So, yeah, it's like a wide expanse of uninhabited land or like barely inhabited land. And they actually looked it up because I know next thing out Greenland and it's huge. Well I remember learning as a kid that Greenland was icy and Iceland was green and that's when I knew this this world was a lie. Okay hold on I am gonna find my phone because I have notes on it. Yeah I guess we we already have a military base over there, he sent Don Jr. over there. Yeah take your time because I have really nothing that interesting or insightful to say on this topic.

This is what happens when you smoke too much weed on vacation. Praise John. I found my phone. Yeah, I just read the Loki Julianas tweet that was like geographically and strategically important in the Western Hemisphere. Most of the inhabitants are basically Eskimos, one of the largest cities already as an American military base. No mass migration concerns in either direction. I mean, it's obviously a strategic land mass. Yeah, well, it's part of Denmark?

Yeah, it's like an autonomous territory, technically under the auspices of the kingdom of Denmark. Yeah. Okay. Why not just make it America? Who cares? This is just like my curtain. And then Germany and France said,

you know, Greenland's not up for grabs. Ooh. Ooh. What if it is? What if it is? What if it is? What if the art of the deal changes things? We've become so cynical and desensitized that we can't imagine great colonial land grabs

even happening again, because all the grand myths and narratives are dead and buried. But yeah. He said he was gonna rename the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America. And that it had a nice ring to it, and it does. I like the sound of that. The Panama Canal seems harder.

Greenland does feel kind of like up for grabs. And like, if they want their independence from Denmark, those people could be swayed. Yeah. They're like Inuits. Yeah, make them a deal they can't refuse. Well, originally, they were Nordic settlers and they mysteriously disappeared. Okay. No one knows why. That's mythical. Yeah, I read the little like dossier. I like went down some rabbit hole that they distribute at the to the military base to

like their little like PowerPoint. And the Norse arrived in Greenland during the 1900s mysteriously disappeared. And then they were colonized by Denmark late 18th century. And now they're Greenlanders who are Inuit. So they're Asian. They're Fino-Ugric. I'd go. We should go. Yeah. Red Scare Press trip to Greenland. But yeah, I guess symbolically it represents like a blank slate. Yeah, and Canada like a great frontier where man can master and dominate the land through extraction of resources and use of technology.

It's like a Battlestar Galactica type scenario. A return. It's fun. Yeah. You can try to make some new myths. Yeah. I have such a lisp, I can't even say myths. Lisping retard.

Myth. My vocal fry was sent up. Remember that discourse from a few years ago that was about colonizing space? And all the women and minorities were like chimping out because they were like, fuck this, there's not enough resources going around on earth and you have to divert the resources to the marginalized and underprivileged.

And all the men with like Elon Musk at the helm are like, yeah, LFG. They have that Faustian spirit. I'm lacking in Faustian spirit, but I have an appreciation for it. Sure. And not just because I'm a woman, but I'm also an earth sign. So kind of like a stick in the mud. Yeah. I'm concerned with like real world problems.

I mean, I don't think there's anything really budgeting an allocation, but yeah. Out there for us in space. But I've been wrong before. Yeah. My worst fear is that we annex Greenland and then it becomes like a massive DEI program. Like firefighters in LA, also the cigarette carton has like, it says your smoke may kill your children.

And it features a black toddler with like box braids lighting up. I think her mom was blowing smoke in her face. Oh no, the mom is holding the cigarette. Wait, but look, it looks like the kid is holding the cigarette. Yeah. That's the Trinisix I got, Anna. Yeah, they're good.

They're marlboro lights. People were talking about some equinox ad that was like a ripped black guy holding up a baby and it was like commit to something. That's their new slogan. And everyone was like, man, they really didn't think this one through, but what if they did? Oh, yeah. And it was kind of like a based avant-garde commentary. Equinox has always had boundary pushing, kind of,

libidinally charged ads. But I wish they'd commit to cleaning the bathrooms all more and keeping their facilities nicer considering the exorbitant price. No offense. No, each year there's always like random hairs in the shower. Well, I don't, I'm not a member anymore because I have a gym in my building. I've never been a member, but I've always used, um, Eli's day pass and yeah, the bathrooms are bad. Yeah. I mean, it depends on the location, but a lot of them are not.

It's a third world country. But okay. Yeah. I'm fine with this plan. Not instinctively averse to it. And like Trump also knows that none of these countries have any leverage, because they depend on American largesse. The kingdom of Denmark? Well, Denmark seems like it's rich but powerless. Well, NATO? Yeah.

Right? Yeah, but I don't think that they're like really a big player on the global scene. I mean, I... Do they, does Denmark have like an active military? I mean, they're all part of the EU. I'm sure they have some military, but I don't think they're gonna go to war for Greenland. But he's right to dangle incentives

during the negotiation process, the art of the deal, baby. Yeah, he's a smart, he's a businessman. It's cool of him to bluster and threaten. That's how the sausage gets made. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see how it goes. I mean, my instinct is that it probably won't come to pass,

but it's not the worst thing if it does. Oh, the fires. Oh, yeah. Thoughts and prayers. Oh, yeah. Thoughts and prayers. I know a lot of people whose whole house burnt down. Never thought that would happen. That's crazy. I know so many people whose homes have burned down, like tearing up like Jordan Peterson style. Never mind that they actually had their home.

I've been in some of those houses. I mean, it is, you know, sex in some of those houses. I probably haven't even, I don't think I've ever had sex in the palace. It was beautiful. I mean, they'll rebuild. Yeah. It's fucked up though. It's crazy. Yeah. Apocalyptic. Yeah.

And the mayor is like on an expense trip to Ghana. And the fire hydrants don't have water. It's just like really for real. Yeah. They like defunded the fire department. And tried to diversify it. Yeah. They like defunded the fire department. And tried to diversify it. Yeah. There was that end. You sent me that headline that was like,

most firefighting jobs are go to white men, let's change that. And it's like, why would you wanna do a job like firefighting? Yeah, I mean mean I love firefighters but they are like have they have to be extremely brave and they're all like haunted and heartbroken. Yeah. And devote their lives and service mm-hmm to others and like watch people die and burned into them.. Like it's crazy. They constantly die of smoke inhalation

when they're breaking up illegal Chinese gambling parlors while trying to save like women and children. Low-key Julianas had a good, a very sentient point that firing everyone who didn't want to be forced to participate in a massive liability-free clinical trial leaves us in a bad position when we need individuals who show initiative and self-possession to deal with some catastrophe. He's basically saying that, yeah, a lot of firefighters lost their jobs because they don't want to get faxed.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think they're still firefighters lost their jobs because they didn't want to get faxed. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think they're still possibly losing their jobs. Yeah, we owe them a great debt, but they are not in an enviable position. And like, why would you want to DEI the fire department? Yeah. I mean, it's a good job in terms of like providing for a family, but it comes at a high risk. Yeah. You're less hated than cops. Yeah. Way less. You get to go down that pole. I understand the idea of like police. You have a Dalmatian. You could write her in the

picture. I understand the idea of diversifying police departments because you do need police officers that represent the local demographics to deal with the local population. Right. But that's not necessarily a requirement of firefighting. I mean definitely not. Yeah. It's burning out the fires which they don't seem to be doing enough. Of course people are talking about climate you know climate change but okay but like there's something else is wrong. Yeah it's cuz vagrants are smoking meth on the beach. Well, Cy Swin was saying crackheads are starting the fires and she's probably onto something. Yeah. She's got like street smarts and wisdom.

I went and she said that I was like, damn. I was clicking like on those tweets. They're high on spice. Yeah, I don't think it really helps the situation. And the Santa Ana. To have major flammable. It's the winds. Yeah.

That are blowing all the Skid Row detritus to the beach. It's all around. It's East and Altadena. I love Altadena. Anna Kasparian had a good tweet. I'm going to pull it up. She's been on one lately. Welcome to our site, Anna. Another Anna Kay. I don't even care if you're infringing on my territory as the based right-wing anarchy. It's, you know, you gotta make those. Oh, what do you think of Elon's new positivity mandates?

I, you'll have to femme-splain those tests. California and especially Los Angeles is controlled by Democrats. They are responsible. No more passing the buck. Our mayor, who was in Ghana as fires exploded in our city, cut the fire budget by $17 million. Endless amounts of money funneled to bullshit scammer

homeless nonprofits. We're the highest taxed, yet we have encampments and squalor everywhere. Even worse, we don't even have enough firefighters to respond to the absolute disaster we're fighting right now. Rather than conserve the record rain we got last year, we just drained it into the ocean. We are a failing city run by a sick excuse

for local government. You wanna radicalize people against the modern democratic party, send them to LA. Damn. Yeah. Yeah, LA sucks. I have no patience for the climate change lobby because I'll grant that maybe some amount of climate change is occurring, but this really comes down to bureaucratic mismanagement and

misallocation. It's a totally like preventable and avoidable disaster. I'll also grant that some number of wildfires do break out routinely and semi organically in Malibu and the palisades, it's like a common occurrence. Yeah, but this is just unprecedented in its scale as far as I mean, I've never seen anything like it. Definitely not in my time in LA.

Yeah, I hold kind of a radical view that the weather is definitely, God definitely controls the weather is definitely, like God definitely controls the weather. The Holy Spirit is, you know, if anything, it manifests in any way. It's like, you know, the wind. Yeah. Yeah.

So if there's climate change, you know, it's like, okay, well. It's God's wrath. Not necessarily his wrath, like, you know, his plan. There's like a long, you know, arc towards justice. Taxi driver monologue. One day a rain's gonna come down. Yeah, meanwhile, so cold. Well, yeah, I was prepared to sound off

about our problems here, which is women getting emulated on the subway and congestion pricing coming into effect. But then- Oh, yeah. What do you think about the congestion pricing? You're anti, because you drive a car. I, like I said many times, I could be sold on congestion pricing if any of those funds actually went to the stated purpose,

which is making like essential repairs and improvements to the public transit system. So like subways, buses, roads, but I doubt the public transit system will ever see any of those funds. It's gonna, they're gonna lie in the pockets of like grafting politicians and their bureaucrat cronies.

And it's gonna get funneled into various your black pal liberal NGOs that buy Canada gooseose Parkas for like military-age African men. It's annoying. It's like, you know, a lot of people on the far right like to call it a white people tax. Right. Well, a lot of like what isn't, but it's more of like a middle class and working for lottery tickets. Tax, yeah. A lot of things. lottery tickets. Tox, yeah. A lot of things. Yeah, well, a lot of people bought cars during COVID,

I think. And now people drive their cars into the city. And some of those people can afford a conjunction tax, but a lot of people cannot, who need their car to work. Yeah, it accumulates. And I'm sure the vast majority of motorists who are gonna get hit by this new toll are coming in and out of the city

for totally essential reasons like work and family. So this is from like CNN. It's nine dollars. How do you know how much it is? Yeah. So it's a nine dollar base toll when they enter Manhattan anywhere south of and including 60th Street during peak hours between five a.m. and nine p.m. on weekdays and nine a.m. to nine p.m. on weekends. The toll rate drops to 225 during off-peak hours. In addition to crossing south over 60th street eight bridges and tunnels lead into the zone.

These include at Koch, Queensboro, Williamsburg, Manhattan, and Brooklyn bridges and the Hugh Carey Midtown, Lincoln, and Holland tunnels. This is known as the congestion relief zone CRZ. The tolls are collected through cameras that are already set up along the included routes and will be charged automatically through EZPass or by mail for vehicles not equipped with EZPass. The sneaky thing was how they tried to pass and then halted this initiative over the summer if you remember. I remember that, yeah.

Because they had an election to win and like Senate seats to fill presumably and then Kathy Hokel that bitch did a solid And lowered the initial hole from $15 to $9 Mm-hmm so generous of her. I mean 15 does seem so exorbitant compared to 9 But 9 is still a lot Well, the other thing that like you can definitely bank on since this pricing has already been introduced is that it's going to go up over the years. Yeah, like they're not going to pause it or scale it back. And this is from the New York Times.

I saw increased to $12 by 2028 and to $15 by 2031. And people, I saw me too, posting some images of people celebrating. They're happy because they live towards and gentrifiers and they think it's like a climate thing. They're like, yeah less people driving cars. Well, the precedent for this is London, which already has one of these tolling programs in place. It's called the ultra low emission zone, the ULEZ. And on paper, it's supposed to be like lowering the number of non-compliant vehicles on the road and

reducing toxic air pollution while raising money for the city. So basically they're framing it as a green initiative, which is insult to injury. They're not doing that here yet. They're mostly focusing on congestion versus pollution. Yeah. But I also read a New York Times opinion piece that said that, you know, it's only been in effect for like three days by the time we put this up.

It'll be like a week or something. It's yielded mixed results so far. It's reduced congestion on bridges and in tunnels, but not so much in the relief zone itself where traffic is still sluggish during peak hours. But yeah, I mean, off the bat, you could really improve the subway system overnight by enforcing payment of subway fares and rounding up subway vagrants and criminals, which they won't do.

And now they're saying, well, this is going to encourage, i.e. force more people to use the subway. So they're packing more commuters into like an already overburdened and broken system that we're told all the time is like on the verge of collapse and about to hit a crisis point. During peak hours when they're already people, are they going to, what are, what's, are they making more trains or making them run more often? Yeah, yeah.

And like, you know, the other thing that thing that they can do, which will take more time and effort, obviously, is to cut the administrative bloat in the transit authority itself, where they're getting like six figures to take lunch breaks and trade PDFs and giving all of their friends and family cushy consulting gigs. And you know, also this money is already accounted for because the MTA is horribly in debt. Is it?

Yeah. Oh yeah. And they're down. It's worse than I didn't even know. And they're basically trying to raise $15 billion to pay back the debt that they're gonna incur because they're selling off bonds to get funds to make these necessary upgrades. Which you think they won't even do.

No, because they haven't attempted to make them yet. Well, but they just started the congestion price. Yeah, I know, but it's been like decades of like stagnation and disrepair. Yeah, definitely. The subway system is in shambles and the thing is like, you know, you go on Twitter and you see a lot of ex, excuse me, and you see all these like alarmist, right-wing influencer accounts that cherry pick all the worst like clips and scenes from the subway, not just women getting burned alive

on the Coney Island f-stop, but like. Did you read the article about her in the Times? Really sad. White. Yeah. Surprising. Yeah. Cause her name is Debrina Kawama.

I was like, oh, that sounds like an ethnic name. She changed her name to Debrina. Yeah. In the throes of psychosis. Yeah, it's a drug addict. Yeah. Yeah. It's, yeah. Yeah. It's, yeah.

Yeah, I was reading her. She was like a random pretty white lady from New Jersey who like had a decent life and job and fell into alcoholism and probably drug abuse and ended up like this. It's sad. Yeah. But what was I gonna say about congestion pricing? Yeah, I don't really see how this will yield positive results in the hands of like democratic officials.

And it's just going to make the city more expensive and unlivable for like ordinary working for middle class people who already don't live here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like a voter for Trump. It's a Trump punishment. Yeah. It's a mag. Tax. So true. Yeah, that sucks. I mean, I don't, I'm an island girl, you know? Yeah. I don't. I don't. So it's not gonna affect me.

When you see these like images of like horrible neglect or disrepair on the subway, not to say anything of the unspeakable crimes that occur, the reality is that the subway right now, even though it's congested and ghetto, is pretty safe and functional overall. Yeah. Which, you know, I'm not making excuses. Like there's no reason in the world why, like, one of the richest metropolises in the world should be beset by like raving vagrants. Gotham type of shit.

You realize how like fragile things are with the wildfires because everything can go bottoms up in a heartbeat. I mean, it did with Hurricane Sandy. Yeah, that's true. But we rebuilt. I wasn't here during six years. And like the 2017 subway crisis, and it can always get worse.

Yeah, and your whole house can just burn down. At least we have these great apartments. Our amazing apartments. My apartment's pretty nice. It is, it's beautiful and cozy. Thank you, I've really tried. My apartment's not that nice, but it's like, It's a great deal and it's big.

It's relatively cheap and spacious. Yeah. I wouldn't say it's spacious. It's for New York. Yeah. True three bedroom. True three bedroom. Yeah. Yeah, amazing.

I'm hoping so hard. It's our office, you know, it's where we do the show. No, your apartment's nice. It's fine. But there's no reason that people like us with our incomes, we should be able to like afford a home. Well, I've mismanaged some of my finances. That may be true. I'm not gonna lie.

That may be true, but the cost of living should not be so expensive relative to how mid the quality of life is, is all I'm saying. I'm not being a spoiled and entitled brat here. I'm not saying that I should be living in like Nicole Shanahan's Malibu compound or whatever. Yeah, you get out, you get off the block and you move to the palisades

and then your whole house breaks down. It's like, you can't. And of course, like it's by choice, we choose to live here. Yeah, I would say. And we could live elsewhere where the cost of living is cheaper and the quality of life is higher. Well, in some ways, yes, the quality of life is not as mid, but in some ways it is good, you know, because we have access to nice things. Yeah. And like nice experiences. Yeah.

The social circle. and social circle and reported clubs. Nice infrastructure, like not architecture. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? I'm not making, I'm not saying that like me personally, I should be enjoying an extremely lavish and wealthy lifestyle in spite of totally misappropriating my resources or whatever. Right. But yeah, no, I hear you. I agree. This is my most leftist take. That our lives should be better. That we deserve. Like marginally, incrementally. The other interesting thing is that- Maybe we should get a job for the government.

That seems like a good way to- We should become firefighters. Yeah. A congestion commissar. I don't know. We're like doing skin extraction. Yeah. But yeah, it's, but it's always going to be kind of hard to live in New York. Yeah, but it could be I'm just saying it could be nicer and easier for everyone.

For sure. Not just for us. For sure. Well, the other thing to that point is that congestion pricing was being pushed heavily by Uber and Lyft. How come? And they've poured millions apparently into paying lobbyists to persuade lawmakers to pass this initiative. They get hit with a dollar fifty surcharge and that's passed on to the customer. and that's passed on to the customer.

But that's- What do you mean surcharge? Like their pricing goes up because of the congestion pricing. So in spite of, what did you call yourself, a bedridden recluse? Yeah. You do get somewhat affected by this because every time you use a ride share,

you're absorbing that cost. But that seems crazy to me. Maybe I'm naive, not to be naive, but aren't all the Ubers and stuff, the reason the city's so congested? Yes, because apparently they also have added a hundred thousand vehicles in the last few years. Yeah, they give these guys Teslas

to make them indentured servants basically so they can pay off their Tesla doing the ride shares. So they created the problem and now they're profiting off of it because as the New York Post explained, the $1.50 surcharge that you're getting stuck with on top of the base rate is still cheaper than the $9 toll you pay as a private motorist

or the $290 fare you pay as a subway commuter. But then do the drivers have to pay for the congestion toll because I bet a lot of the Uber drivers don't live in Manhattan. Yeah, they're paying for it, but they're passing it on to you through price hikes. I see. So these massive tech companies have spent a lot of money

making sure that this gets passed. I'm not against like taxation and tolls, which is to be expected in any like modern functional society. It just like. There are too many cars in Manhattan. I'd love to, I would suggest getting rid of Uber. What I was thinking actually would be a great way

to like reinvigorate the taxi drivers union. Just to focus on labor politics for a second. Let's think it's a doom scroll podcast. Welcome to doom scroll. What about the taxi drivers? I've been saying that. That's my most leftist opinion is that I don't like the Uber's

and I'd rather just get in a taxi or some guy paid for a medallion the old style way. the Uber is and I'd rather just get in a taxi. Yeah. Or some guy paid for a medallion the old style way. I prefer those old fashioned Indians to the new fangled Indians. Exactly. Some guy bought a medallion for six figures and now it's like worth nothing on the free market, sucks.

Yeah, it's extremely unfair. And all these activists love to talk about local communities and local color and taxis were part of that classic New York culture. And in some parts of the city, you can't even, you don't even see a yellow cab anymore. I know. You can't use to like you don't even see a yellow cab anymore. I know. You can't, you still step out your house like Carrie Bradshaw.

Hala Cab. Hala Cab go to Big's house. Go to your situation. No more. I can still kind of Hala Cab near me, but I mainly use a burger, and it sucks. Yeah. So I don't know. But I mainly use a burger. It sucks.

Yeah. So I don't know, I guess I'm against congestion pricing. Maybe not in principle, but in practice. I'll agree with you, since I don't really have a dog in the fight. Yeah. In the immediate sense. Yeah. I don't really have a dog in the fight. Yeah in the immediate sense. Yeah

But yeah, it sucks aging schmo with a leased vehicle and you have to like drive to your storage space in Greenpoint or your Mom's house in New Jersey and you get like hit with some gay little tax that like incrementally but annoyingly makes the cost of living higher. It's just a little slap in the face. Yeah. And you're just like, you know, a productive tax being citizen who wants to see the material conditions improve for everybody. Yeah. In Trinidad on TV, they have late at night, they have a show called Crime Watch that has like a little ticker of the murder rate

over the year. Yeah. And it was only at two, but it's early in the year. But two relative to what? Two people were murdered. This year? This year. That seems kind of high. It's, yeah. Well, 600 people or something were murdered last year. That's why they're in the state of emergency. So it's like almost two per day. So it's like almost two per day. Yeah. Cool.

Like I went to a Catholic church with a really cool Nigerian guy who was singing and putting his hands in the air and stuff. And a lot of the black families there, I was like, oh, I bet they know someone who's been murdered like relative to the population. It's so many people. But the state of emergency doesn't even impose a curfew or anything. Yeah well kind of like if you live in England you know somebody who has raped and or been raped. Yeah should we talk about the rape gangs? Yeah, the grooming gang in the UK,

which is in the news because Elon was tweeting about it. Yeah, like a week or two ago, Pakistanis were breathing a sigh of relief because allies were like on Indians over the H1B visa stuff. And now they're like sweating because they're at the center of the discourse with the grooming gang stuff. I mean, the thing with Pakistanis is that they're both Indian and Muslim.

So that's like double the rape culture. It's really, seems really bad. Yeah, hard to say what the bigger issue is. Immigration, legal immigration. I mean, their religious beliefs are their ethnicity. Oh yeah. I think like the religious beliefs. Their religion are raping.

Are a proxy for the cultural makeup, I guess. In the Sharia it says you need four witnesses. To have sex? You need at least four people at the gang rape. No, it says like you need four witnesses. Monica was tweeting about this to testify when you make a rape accusation. So the rape gangs are also being really charitable and generous because they're baking the witnesses into the process. But yeah, this is all Elon's fault because he started tweeting about this decade old

case out of Rotterham. Yeah. And you know, maybe he was trying to like pivot and distract from the fact that he was like going too easy on the Pagetes. I don't know, what do you think his motivations were for, because this, yeah, there was an expose in 2011 in the London Times about these grooming gangs. And then there was an investigation and then people kind of stopped talking

about it. And then a couple of years ago, they did another investigation where they were like, Oh, it's still a problem. But then that hasn't really been yielded any results at all. Well, and then the latest development is that there's been a lot of outrage today because the, I'm gonna pull up this Charlie Kirk tweet. I hope he's not tweeting a lot. It's really hard to, like these influencers tweet so much.

Well, Labor voted, which is the party in power. Yeah. They voted against. There was an initiative to re-examine the situation with the grooming and they voted against doing it because they covered it up in the past because it's Islamophobic, racist, whatever, to point out that the packies are having a problem.

Yeah. The working class, English girls. Yeah. So the bow was three sixty four to one hundred eleven against opening a new inquiry. I get why people are mad and chimping. I mean, I think the tendency now is to see everything as a sign of like left lib and competence and or malice. But I just wanna play devil's advocate here and say like, in terms of opening a new inquiry, like who's gonna lead it,

what will it yield, what is the purpose? Yeah, I mean, I read an- What would it accomplish essentially? Well, I read an article in the Financial Times, which was attempting to make the case that this has already been addressed, that there was an authoritative study that yielded a report where some professor who conducted this, you know, it's all this like jargon, he came up with 20, let me see.

Let me see. Professor Alexis J. said that we've had enough of inquiries, consultants, and discussions. He was the author of the report. We have set out what action is required and people should just get on with it. And basically, yeah, he came up with 20 sort of like, but like things that are unrelated, they pass like an online safety thing, made it harder for like, underage, barely, you know, it's like they get all this stupid crap, and then mostly nothing. Yeah, what's to say a new inquiry, in other words, won't result in more time and money wasted on sick and twisted bureaucratic games.

The old inquiry, from my understanding, basically revealed that yes, there was a rape epidemic going on in England, but it swept the cultural component under the rug. And if this new one were to say, actually, this is quote, Asian problem, what would happen next, you can't exactly start sending them back because as it turns out, all these guys are illegal immigrants. A Yeah. And some were even born and yeah. Or yeah, they're like native fully naturalized citizens. Yeah, it yeah, they're like native, they're fully naturalized citizens. Yeah. It's too late.

Well, yeah, so the issue is with downplaying the racial component that then forced the labor party to effectively, it's not just the raping, it's the coverup of the raping and then not believing that like slags. Yeah, that there was like a kind of- shagging. Lily Phillips. Horrible. I mean really bad, but to counter your devil's advocacy, another investigation would could potentially just create, I don't know, eat more, make it easier, I guess, for a girl to get out of a situation.

Yeah. Where she's been groomed. But that would only happen if we acknowledge that this is a racial and cultural problem. racially and culturally profile these people. And Louise Perry made a really great point that if you didn't know any better and there wasn't this mountain of evidence, you wouldn't be crazy in assuming

that it was a malicious exaggeration or outright invention of the far right. Like this sounds like a fake news story made up by right-wing ideologues. It sounds like a parody. The first thing that came to mind to me when I was reading these accounts and reports was how it sounds like a curb episode. Like if you remove the totally sad and tragic and toxic element out of it, it's

like comedy gold. Like you're walking home from school one day and a guy drags you into an alley and tries to rape you and you get loose and run into a deli and those guys pretend to make a phone call but they take you into the back room and start raping you. And then against all odds, you escape again, you run into the street and you hail a taxi. Or a taxi stops and asks if you need help.

If you need help. And instead of taking you to the hospital or the police station, he takes you to a remote location where he and 18 of his buddies who may or may not know each other and may or may not be related, rape you yet again. And then you emerge from your horrible ordeal, battered and bruised, and finally make it to the ER. And the staff rapes you again for good measure. Like that's how these stories sound.

It's like the curb theme plays. I mean, it's like hostile, the movie, where they're trying to like, where every single person you meet is like conspiring against you to get you into a rape dungeon. Yeah. And here's, here's Louise again, the authorities did not want to know the victims were called white whores or white slugs. Not only did these crimes go uninvestigated, but victims and their families were frequently stonewalled or persecuted by the police, which again, sounds like parody or propaganda,

but it's not. If you were like a father who tried to protect or avenge your daughter by threatening her rapist, you could go to jail. If you left racist social media posts, you could get fined or also go to jail. If you said, please, can these packies stop raping me?

Sorry. You get in trouble. And meanwhile, thousands of preteen and teen girls are getting raped, molested, trafficked, prostituted, impregnated and forced to have abortions. They're like beaten, they're threatened with retribution against themselves and their families. But they're not, okay, so the grooming.

Yeah. They're not being like, it's not an epidemic of like street abductions. It's like these guys hang out at the mall and prey on like or on the corner or girls and like I'm just gonna read this article excerpts from the sentencing remarks relating to the 2013 conviction of members of an Oxford gang have been circulated on Twitter this week they tell the stories of girls between the ages of 11 and 16 being anally raped, branded with their perpetrators' initials,

forcibly injected with heroin and trafficked across Britain to have sex with more men. The specific kind of crime that Rotterham represents is absolutely racialized and is not rare. Rotterham itself is a small town. By conservative estimate, 1,400 children, the vast majority of girls, were abused over a 15-year period, representing a substantial minority of white girls living in Rotterham

at the time. A 2020 study by academics from Reading and Chichester University has estimated that 1 in 73 Muslim men in Rotterham were prosecuted for their involvement in the abuse, with an unknown additional number evading detection. Almost everyone in Rotterham knows someone involved either as a victim or perpetrator. It should not surprise us that during last summer's race riots, the town was the site of some of the most serious violence. So I actually had a couple of questions regarding the grooming gangs.

Like, first of all, why are they called grooming gangs? Since the grooming seems secondary to the rape? Well, the grooming is part and parcel. It's the gateway to the rape, yeah. Secondly, when you say gang, what do you mean by that? I'm like, can't, but I'm like, fine gang. But my question was, are they formal, pre-existing, organized criminal organizations?

Or are they like loose social networks that are formed kind of opportunistically or even spontaneously for the purpose of committing rape? I think not that it changes anything, but no, I think it does. I mean, not morally, but you know, and I- Well, in the prior case, it makes it much worse. If they, I do think there is some, with the trafficking and stuff,

it does seem that there is some like organized crime element that's more than just random. Yeah, so I brought these questions to a friend of mine who lives in England and has a podcast year and he had some really good answers. And in his words, the grooming part, like it sounds euphemistic, but it actually describes a core dynamic

where they lured these girls with compliments and gifts and other forms of ingratiation. They posed as their boyfriends, they tried to befriend their friends and families. They took advantage of their rebellious streak, obviously. Well, it's like black guys in America. Like the Packies are like, yeah, American blacks. That's like how pimps, you know, lure women into lives of like prostitution is by like getting addicted to drugs.

By being like your special girl. And stuff. And then the gang part, I was surprised, but not that surprised by the answer, because he said that in many cases, these were established criminal syndicates that already engaged in other illicit activities. So they were doing drug dealing and welfare scamming

and street level theft. And they were also often made up of family clans, like fathers, brothers, uncles, cousins. And he was pointing out that this is a feature that distinguishes them from like white pedophilia rings, which tend to be obviously made up of strangers who have sought each other out like on the internet. Or elites. Yeah, because you know, their immediate social circles are unlikely to, you know, share their interests. Right.

And like, a friend of mine was saying that like, well, gang rape is like the gayest way to have heterosexual sex. I was thinking more like, okay, if you're like gang raping with your dad and your uncle and your brothers and your cousins, isn't that like double the incest? Because you're already probably the product of incest due to cousin marriage. But then you're also committing incest

in the course of perpetuating a rape? Well, it's less of a taboo, certainly. Yeah, it's, I mean, in the way that it does feel almost like a fabricated, like right wing news item. Yeah. I think there is something like emotionally really powerful about it because it's,

reflects the way that like people in England feel molested and raped by migrants in general. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's like the H1B discourse and the grooming gang discourse seem like radically different things, but they're obviously the same thing in that they're attesting to like the limits of legal immigration. And here's another quote from Louise, anyone with an ounce of sense should have realized that the post sexual revolution culture of Britain and the very conservative sexual culture of a Muslim country like Pakistan would not mix happily. And the point is that even if this story is now being dangled for opportunistic reasons and is already years old, it's pretty evergreen

because this is clearly still happening in the UK, it's happening in Denmark, it's happening in Holland. It's happening across the board where there is unlimited immigration from non-Western primarily Muslim societies. Not to make it about me, but it was happening in New Jersey when I was growing up and it happened to me personally. And it didn't happen, you know, it wasn't as extreme as like, you know, they weren't

like burning you and your family alive in your house, like happened to Lucy Lowe, who was one of the victims, or, you know, cutting you up into Kabobby. Oh my God, that girl. Which happened to Charlene Downs, another one of the victims. That can't be Halal. Say their names. And again, I think it was less extreme because in the United States, unlike in the UK,

these communities were more assimilated. Well, in the UK, you know, Pakistani people came to the UK because Pakistan was part of the Commonwealth. I was when I was in Trinidad was thinking, colonialism so great. It was like, why would anyone ever want to decode? Cause I went on a boat tour to some more remote islands. And the captain was telling me, yeah, there was all this like eroded kind of, he said that the colonists would,

yes, they extracted resources, but they also like built things. And now just like kind of like globalist rich people inhabit these islands and don't really contribute anything to them. They not only built things, but as Jordan Peterson pointed out, they established a decent government and a common law. They not only gave them a physical infrastructure,

but a legal infrastructure and a political infrastructure Yeah, but In a You know cruel ironic twist those people then came to the West Yeah, and started grooming gang in England and then England is too Cucked to address the problem. To do anything about it because- Because they didn't want to be racist or Islamophobic.

Yeah, again, insult to injury. It's like not only were these mass rapes happening, but yeah, there was a massive coverup by local politicians, law enforcement, social workers for racial sensitivity reasons, because they didn't want to be seen as being racist or promoting negative racial stereotypes or whatever. And like, of course, like all sexual predators, and this is not in any way unique to like Muslim or Pakistani

culture, these guys were very knowingly targeting, like vulnerable girls from like poor backgrounds and broken homes, foster systems. Yeah. But there is very obviously like a racial cultural component. The thing with this particular culture is that it's very patriarchal but the patriarchy is weak and like they don't respect women especially white women and you know they see white women as like easy and disposable whores slags whatever and obviously like they also see them as foreigners. The white. Yeah, like they see them as foreign to their culture,

which in their minds is the superior and correct culture. And they don't give these people any special treatment as we do in the West. And like, of course, also for being honest, their lack of respect for white women has to do with the fact that they obviously desire and covet them, but feel rejected by them. Like it's a cope for feeling inferior and insecure.

And, you know, of course, because these girls were white working class girls, no one really cared about them. They didn't come from money or protected minority. They weren't Hollywood actresses. Yeah. And then on top of that, there's the issue that progressive dogma views white people as uniquely privileged.

So if you are a poor working class white, you clearly did something to deserve it. Yeah. I read one of the girls who tried to escape her situation. They said it was a lifestyle choice. Have you seen the movie Havoc with Anne Hathaway and Bijou Phillips? It's from like 2000. She plays like a white girl, maybe in the Palisades honestly, rich white girl in LA

who is like an aspiring chola. She wants to like downwardly assimilate and hang out with Mexican bad boys. And Bijou Phillips ends up getting gang raped because they wanted, they're like, we want to join your gang. They know they're getting into their high school girls. And then they say, if you want to be in the gang, you got to roll these dice. And the number that you roll is the amount of gang members you have to fog. Yeah, like, okay, I was that girl. I'm serious, because I came from a dysfunctional home

and I was rebelling against my parents and wanted to hang out with cool older boys with cars and drugs and like, that was that. And at the time it was totally my decision my agency but It was a life. Yeah, it was a lifestyle choice in my mind. Yeah And like I forgot what I was gonna say I got you were groomed And You were groomed. Mm-hmm. And obviously, all the Muslim pundit and influencers are not happy with the situation.

They're tweeting out this Guardian article citing an old study by the Home Office that apparently shows that white men are responsible for most child abuse gangs. And they like to cite the statistic that like 87 percent of child sex offenses are committed by white men. And it's like, okay, like what are we talking about here only in the UK or in the anglophone world? In the anglosphere at large in all white majority countries, like where are these sample samples coming from? What's the time scale? How are we classifying white? Like what? you know, Samples coming from what's the time scale? How are we classifying white? As with the Franklin coverup, the Epstein stuff,

as with elite pedophile rings, the heinous aspect is of course the rape, but it's made much worse by the organization that facilitates it and then the subsequent coverup for whatever, for political reasons. It's the same thing. It's not the same as like, yeah, probably you're like, Irish uncles more likely to molest someone. I mean, the thing is like,

well, obviously England is still a white majority country. Obviously, it's full of nonsense. So it stands to reason that the majority of sex crimes against children will be committed by white men. Is it still a white majority? Didn't you say that Mohammed was the most common name? Yeah, I'm going to pull up this crazy tweet Didn't you see that Mohammed was the most common name? I'm going to pull up this crazy tweet that I saw that also sounded fake, but it's real.

But like, yeah, like what proportion of white men are committing child sex crimes versus like relative to the proportion of Pakistani men? I have a feeling that like progressives would not be happy with the answer. People have a very hard time understanding per capita, which is why it became such a meme. But it's like a basic SAT problem. It's like, okay, if there's 50 guys, if there's 50 white guys in the UK,

and five of them are child rapists, and then there's 10 Pakistani guys in the UK, and three of them are child rapists. And then there's 10 Pakistani guys in the UK and three of them are child rapists. Which population has the higher proportion of child rapists? Right, right, right. Steve Saylor, who I've been worried about in the, Why? With the fires. Oh yeah, how's he doing?

Well, he just said the Runyon Canyon dog park in the Hollywood Hills, which is a dog park right under the Hollywood sign, is on fire. And the wind is pushing the rush fire south towards the apartment buildings of Franklin Boulevard and Hollywood Boulevard. The evacuation zone, Mulholland Drive on the north, Laurel Canyon on the west, Hollywood Boulevard on the south. And Steve lives in the valley. And now he says he doesn't know if his house will be safe.

Well, sending power to Steve. But if the Hollywood sign burned down? I know, that would be so crazy. We don't have the technology. It's a 3D print and new Hollywood sign. Oh my God, that's horrible. It's so crazy. I can't believe this is actually happening.

That Hollywood's actually burning. It seems so bad. That's the day of the locust. Yeah. Oh man. That fucking sucks. Well, if anyone wants to come and stay at mine, she was saying a real three bedroom

and we only smoke cigs in one and a half. Only one room is a firehouse. What are we saying? What are we talking about? Oh yeah. I was just saying like, um, that you see these like commentators like Mohammed Hijab and Bushra Shaikh bringing up these statistics and you're like, are you retarded or a liar or both?

Like, which one is it? Yeah, a lot of Muslim commentators have been doing this thing where they will deny the fact that it's a Pakistani problem or try to like relitigate the fact that it's being brought up now before denouncing the crime and sympathizing with the victims. And that seems insane and outrageous, but in a way, they're more resolved and reconciled. Whoa, in their like, clannish behavior? Yeah, like then people in like the enlightened West, because they don't really respect or care about white people and like, why should they?

Right. And like, yeah, like these people, they'll come to like- But they should care about Muslims, you know? Yeah, well they're all mad at Andrew Tate now because he's like as a new Muslim he's like this is giving a bad name to Muslims you guys. And a sex trafficker. Yeah, allegedly. But yeah, like you know these people will come to the US or the UK and act, they own the place and start accusing the locals of racism when the burden of proof should be on them to demonstrate why they're welcome in positive additions

to the national population. But that's Anglo logic. No good deed, colonialism goes unpunished. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. Yeah, I saw Andrew Tate chiming in, but he's right. You know, why would you want, you know,

if you want to make the case that this isn't an issue, then you should address it. Yeah, I mean, the idea is like, yeah, you acknowledge it, you address it, you repent and atone, you take certain steps to make sure that it's not a problem in your civilization. But like, they don't see themselves as like, coming to the West and contributing to it. They see themselves as conquering the West and promoting their own civilization. Right. Which is their prerogative.

I mean, that's really a problem with Islam, though. It's not, you know, the whatever. The like, Hindus have their own like horny, like pestering problem. But I don't know. I don't know. Well, it's a problem for the West, but it's not a problem for Islam. Right, well, yeah. And like.

I'm surprised that there weren't more boys in the mix. Right, what was that thing called in Afghanistan? Oh, Bacha Bazi. Yeah, Bacha Bazi, you told me about that. Oh, there probably were. Yeah. I don't know if I had to guess. There must have been, yeah.

Like in a way, you know, I see it more from the side of the foreigners who are like maybe cheating and lying, get over here and then thieving and raping when they're here or whatever. Then I do from like the side, the authorities who like not only sat back and did nothing but let it happen and made excuses for it. Yeah. But like, why are you the hypocrisy of the labor party who purports to care about the working class, but then makes these woke concessions?

It's crazy. It's a cover of heinous crimes. Law and order, as you would never. In New York City, sexually-based offenses are considered especially heinous. And the detectives who investigate these vicious felonies are members of an elite squad known as the Special Victims Unit. And if they had that kind of thing in the UK, maybe we could start to change things. Maybe if they

voted on having another investigation, they could start a special victim and they could have their own Mariska Hargit. But I don't know England seems, I don't know. Yeah. Sorry, I'm freezing. I don't know. Yeah. Sorry, I'm like freezing. Are you cold? Yeah, I'm so cold. Yeah. Start hot boxing cigarettes.

Grimes just had to evacuate. Oh no. And on her way to a friend's place, they got an evacuation warning. Okay, so she has to evacuate again. Yeah. So it's just like living in a punk house. Oh, man.

It's a familiar dynamic. All of our friends and random people we know from the internet are evacuating and losing their homes. It's so bad. It sucks. Come to New York. There's congestion for everything and a beautiful subway system. Escape from LA for real.

Come to New York where it's too cold to start a fire. To smoke cigs inside. Unless you're on Coney Island, which is like our Malibu. Oh, well, I was gonna say, right, so just to circle back to Trinidad, I really was chopping it up with the locals. I talked to a lot of different kinds of people

and I came away with a real, like everyone seemed to sort of understand that both. So the two political parties roughly correspond basically to the Afro-Caribbeans and the Indo-Caribbeans and they're almost like split. And then there's like obviously some race mixing, but basically the Afro-Caribbeans have been in power since Trinidad became independent.

Okay. Makes sense. And they're not doing a great job. And there seems, I cleaned a, but though the, everyone kind of is, has noticed that the, they're called the PPM, the people's, something movement people, populist people's movement. That's the Afro-Caribbeans, that they're not as smart PPM, the people's something movement people populist people's movement.

That's the Afro Caribbean's that they're not as smart as the Indo Caribbean's, but the Indians are far more corrupt. They're both corrupt. They're both extremely corrupt. But the Indians in the short in terms that they've been in power have proven to be like, corrupt to the extreme. Wait, but were the Indians in power before independence because they were like the emissaries or vassals

of the old colonial powers or are they just coming to power now? They're not coming to power now. It's unclear who will be in power now. The PPM has been in power for a while. Okay. And they're Indo-Caribbean, what's it called?

The incumbents are sitting on the one that's not. Is her name is Kamla. But yeah, that is the same, the races are distinct. Yeah, but have the Afro-Caribbean, has the Afro-Caribbean political party not gotten a chance to prove its levels of corruption because they have less power and they haven't been in power as long or? No, they've been in power longer.

They're also corrupt. But they're like the Democrats, they kind of maintain like a welfare state. And the Indo-Caribbeans are richer and more elite. Well, they've just, yeah, they're better educated. Oh. They're more interested in social mobility. So like roughly speaking, the Afro-Caribbeans

are like the liberals and the Indo-Caribbeans are the conservatives or? I don't think it's like, it really maps directly. They're all leftists. Or like, I don't know. Yeah. I'm kind of more into like a Rasta, Rastafari. Where, you know, peace, love, unity.

Yeah. Respect Africa. peace, love, unity. Respect Africa. And it says in the Bible that God gave us herb. So there's total source, scriptural sources for their constant smoking of weed, which is very cool very constant smoking of weed, which is very cool. Because it makes you confused and downwardly assimilated, but it's nice to incorporate it sacramentally

into kind of a futuristic Christian Afro thing. Yeah, I was thinking about how being an already established criminal organization and Afro thing. Yeah, I was thinking about how being, you know, an already established criminal organization, before you got to the gang rape, makes the grooming easier because if you're dealing drugs and stealing stuff, you can groom girls more easily because you can give them drugs and gifts. Yeah, it seems very akin to gang activity here in America.

As you got to watch Havoc. And it's very interesting in the post-Me Too era too. I'm not going to spoil it, but you'll enjoy. Well, I was thinking about the point that you made that in one way, the UK grooming gang controversy is similar to the Epstein stuff because not only were there mass rapes occurring, but there was an obvious coverup. But the key factor in the Epstein stuff

was obviously not all the sordid details about like the Lolita Express and the island, like sucking off Alan Dershowitz, like all the gross sordid details. It was the fact that it was like a major blackmail operation. So that was what justified the coverup. Because a lot of very important and public figures were under threat of getting exposed.

Yeah, child sex abuse is something like tragic that will always happen on some level that is like yeah just like a heinous thing that occurs amongst people yeah but the sinister aspects of it are when it becomes organized and political yeah and it was sort of like the moral of Chinatown, the movie, right? That it's not the corruption and conspiracy led to the incest,

it's that the incest led to the corruption and conspiracy or they're like self-reinforcing. It's like the chicken idiotic. I was, yeah, the Franklin coverup was like in the late 80s in Nebraska. There was some child sex ring that was like exposed and then quote, debunked. And it was the same kind of,

it used sort of the language around like moral panics and conspiracy to discredit. Yeah. And in the UK, it feels like they're using the language of like systematic racism. Uh huh. Uh-huh. To then all the artists, like I read the Times article, their framing is very much like, why is Elon Musk, like Elon Musk is basically doing like right wing dog whistling by invoking this like very real phenomenon.

And so then that gradually gets, it's like pizza gate too. It's like. Well, like right wing now basically just means Noticing and publicizing actual real-world phenomena, which then yeah people take you know Frame as some kind of like conspiratorial scandal or something that is like over inflated or overemphasized or like not a real, you know, they did it with abstinence with the Franklin cover up. They're kind of doing it now with this. Yeah. But with the thing there was there were a lot of assets and reputations on the line. because these were very prominent

people. Yeah, it's obviously they're obviously different. But the so it was literal blackmail. But in the UK grooming gangs case, it's moral black. It's like emotional moral blackmail. Yeah. Which I don't know, this isn't the oppression Olympics, but it's like possibly where some people are like, Oh, and you're too racist and you're not sensitive enough to me too.

It's like, this is why. Well, this yeah, these. I mean, we were so vindicated on me too. I know. Like whatever I tweeted, like the fact that this was such a headline for so many years that we were forced to take it seriously, that the whole morality of it was so inverted, like that headline that is seared in my mind,

which nobody remembers that was like 700,000 farm workers stand with Hollywood actresses against me too. which nobody remembers that was like 700,000 farm workers stand with Hollywood actresses against me too. Yeah, the Times article is like, right, framing Elon Musk as some kind of like dog whistling conspiracy theorists. And then saying that, yeah, most of like giving the kind of basic stats, news reporting very, you know, and then most of the,

the perps were of British Pakistani heritage. Well, I was looking into one of those studies and they were like, yeah, Well, I was looking into one of those studies and they were like, yeah, most of the perps are of like South Asian descent with a small minority of British Roma, Gypsies. Oh Gypsies, okay. Who were like their own separate thing, like they weren't involved with the-

They had their own gang. Yeah. I read there's a hundred gangs in Trinidad and there's a gang, a prominent one called the Sixers and they're trying to kill a gang called Seven which I thought was very like Sesame Street. Yeah. It's like a children's counting game.

It's like a children's counting game. You can send them back. These are generational. They are British Pakistani. This is England. Yeah, it's funny to watch interviews with some of them. This is what Brexit was about. I didn't understand. I didn't really get Brexit.

Well, you know, it's like that quote from Susan Zontag that I always cite that I'm gonna butcher, but paraphrase where she's like, well, you know, the thing with ideology is that it often dovetails with self-interest. People have a way of rationalizing their ideological commitments that personally suits and benefits them.

How? Obviously. But how does like a white labor party member, like that woman, whatever that Elon Musk called a witch, like how does she benefit from like a rape coverup? Well, she's never held to account. She doesn't lose her job. She's never seriously punished. She doesn't care. It doesn't personally affect her. She gets to feel like a good person because

she's not racist. Yeah, or anti-racist, excuse me. No, that's the correct terminology. It's not good enough these days to be merely not racist. You have to be anti-racist. It's true. Well, yes, it is technically racist to point out that there are certain major incompatibilities

between cultures. But everybody else in the world who's not an Anglo seems to be totally fine and comfortable with us. Well, in Trinidad, there aren't really, there's not palpable animosity between Afro and Indo-Caribbeans. They do actually live, they do have a version of multiculturalism that is pretty functional.

They gave us Nicki Minaj. Yeah. It's an amazing country. And Foxy Brown. A lot of good female rappers. They're cool. They're sexy. They're liming.

The gang violence isn't even racialized. It's like very distinct and kind of like in. It's not I mean, it didn't feel obviously I wasn't like in the hood, but I wasn't they didn't feel like more dangerous than New York. But what I'm saying is like also the Epstein scandal is similar to the grooming gang scandal in another way because the grooming gang scandal was not exactly like obscure and unheard of like you mentioned like it was reported on in the media and if you recall so were Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. For at least a decade, there were the lone rogue reporters who were saying like, oh, this financier of Bill Clinton

and friend of Alan Dershowitz has these rumors circulating about him that he's like trafficking and molesting young girls. Well, he got a sweetheart deal in Florida for trafficking a minor. So yeah, it was an open secret of sorts. Yeah. Yeah. And then it hit critical mass and became like a viral phenomenon. But like, in a way as like horrible and disgusting as it is, that cover up makes sense because it was an elite cover up that was designed to protect the necks of various elites

or keep them in line. This really defies all credulity to quote Armand White because these were civil servants, representatives of the people, acting against the interest of the people, which is like nothing new under the sun. And like when you hear like the right wingers say like, well, the English leadership and the American leadership, the elites have an open contempt for their own people, their own constituency. Sometimes I think it's so much worse than that because I don't even know if it's like exactly like act of contempt.

It's just like self-interest and indifference. Yeah. They don't care. They like literally don't give a fuck. Which is like so demeaning and dishonorable, JP again. Yeah. Because you do have like a legacy and a civilization to protect. Death of the West. I heard the West died.

I heard the West isn't okay. Yeah. So that's my argument for why colonizing Greenland might possibly be a good idea. It's definitely a good idea. It's just the like, yeah, we don't want like the EU to, you know, you want those sanctions or whatever. Yeah, blah, blah. Well, it's like, but it makes sense, it's like the whole premise of Battlestar Galactica where humankind is like cannibalized

by its own advanced technology. And it starts anew with a blank slate. That's the ending. I'm like spoiling it. But like Hollywood. But in my like cynical blackpilled way, I'm like, well, you know, if you rebuild society according to like first principles or whatever, what's to say that it's not just going to be a repeat of the previous society?

Because everything is like manmade. And you can't escape some sorrow. The cycle of suffering goes on. Yeah. I guess. That's what Hindus think. And if you're really good, you can get reborn into a higher caste.

That's true, they really had this all figured out. Maybe they're onto something. Maybe the Brahmin. maybe they're onto something maybe the Brahmin no I think the Rastas are really onto something mm-hmm that's my new favorite out but yeah there is something like bizarre and monstrous about like people coming to the West to take advantage of like, yeah, the infrastructure, the amenities, the fundamentally high trust view of society. Well, don't you think there's something a little karmic about,

when England colonized these kind of pagan societies, they took advantage of their natural resources. And they got their revenge. Yeah. I get what you're saying because they built their civilization on a literal Indian burial ground. They're getting a Pakistani burial ground. Repaid for it.

I asked Chad GPD, I said, why are there Pakistanis in England? And then it was like, oh, because they were part of the Commonwealth, they were able to move freely to the UK. And they brought common law and decent government to people that didn't necessarily want it because they had their own way of doing things.

Yeah, so now they- But they also did bring those things, like in my mind that was a net positive rather than a net negative. Definitely, but now I see it more as like a negative consequence of empire. Yeah, it's like an occupational hazard of empire. Mm-hmm.

It's like being a niche internet micro celebrity and having like left a smile on you. Yeah, someone said I was a Zionist technocrat shill. And I was like, I'm not that like at all. Wait, who said that? Someone on the doom scroll YouTube comments. I will give Josh Cinderella some credit that doom scroll is a good podcast name.

It's cute. Pithy, catchy. It's, you know, they've got a classy production over there. But I, he, yeah, he did was asking me about labor politics and stuff. I just didn't really know. A cultural comment. Well, the sad thing is he thinks he knows but he doesn't He knows, you know him and Sam Chris and so like they definitely know some stuff. Yeah, but I Just not my niche. Yeah But We can wrap it off. How long have we been going we can yeah, yeah

Going back to the Peter Thiel argument again from a Straussian moment How long have we been going? We can, yeah. We're at, yeah. Going back to the Peter Thiel argument again from the Austrocyan moment, where he talks about, it's funny because I remember on this very podcast bringing up this essay many times and being like, well, Peter Thiel was wrong because obviously Islamic terrorism is not the greatest threat facing Western civilization anymore. It's been like debunked and disempowered and blah, blah, blah. And there are these like, rare random

instances that still happen, but they don't have the sort of like mainstream mass logic that they once did. I sound like Josh Sattarala now. But actually it might turn out that he was right. And he said this very obvious thing that like in fighting your enemy, you become your enemy and then you lose what makes you better than your enemy because you have to meet them at their level.

Right. So I don't know how the West or the Anglosphere can reclaim its pride of place. I think it's for Europe. In the world. It's outside of colonizing Greenland. think it's for Europe. In the world. It's outside of like colonizing Greenland. It's over for Europe. And the American experiment is the West.

It's the next phase, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And moral be revealed. The best case scenario is much like Europe and England specifically was the example for America that they rebelled against. America now has to become the example for Europe and England.

Take notes. I sound so dumb and uninformed. I mean, what else is there? Oops. Okay. Praise Jaws. Yeah, I hope we've covered this like apocalyptic moment in world history appropriately.

And we'll see you in hell. We'll see you in home.