Red Scare - Jail Play

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

The ladies discuss Jeremy O. Harris going to Japanese prison, the Minneapolis Somali fraud scandal, Zohran Mamdani's pledge to stop sweeping homeless encampments, and the middle aged women soft quitting their marriages in The New York Times and The Cut.

We're so bad. Happy holidays? You're not supposed to say that. Merry Christmas. That's what we're saying now. In our Christian nationalist nation. But happy holidays is fine. I want to say, I never really felt.

I never really felt that happy holidays was so pointed. I mean either. Because New Year's Eve, that's, you know. It's the holidays. It is. Right. Many days. And the thing is like,

Everything is like bookended by Thanksgiving and New Year's. So it's like one giant month basically. And I assumed it was that like a technicality, not like, um, like politically correct language. Yeah. Anti-racism or cultural sensitivity or whatever. Well, even holiday is, the etymology is holy day. Yeah. So even if you're not saying Merry Christmas, you're still acknowledging that there's a

sacredness. Yeah, true. But you're, you know, Hanukkah too. Honica is early this year. Oh yeah, because it, like, is one of those... They got their own, they're doing their own thing. It's like on Monday. Like, get that menorah out. The ludial phase. It was only... Christianity. My ludial phase was only supposed to be a week, but it lasted for a whole month. just like the miracle of Hanukkah my geek bar has been last an extra long

Jeremy O'Harris is in jail Yep Speaking of the holidays Someone's going to be spending them in a Japanese prison He was caught Trying to smuggle drugs into the country And he's charged with having 0.78 grams of MDMA in his luggage.

Contrary to popular belief, I know next to nothing about drugs or their weights or their measurements. So that seems to me like a very small quantity. Clearly meant for personal use, but... Maybe even residue, you know. I think it's plausible he just had it in his possession and didn't intend to bring it to Okinawa.

Yes, real talk. I always am gripped with fear every time I clear security and board a plane because I just assume that I might have like some old baggie from like five or ten years ago on me and some like drug sniffing dog is going to catch it. Well, you can't even bring Adderall into Japan. They really don't fuck around with that stuff, even if you have a prescription. So it's you're really playing with fire. And I watched a locked up abroad about a guy who went to jail in Japan. And it's not, it's not like the Nordic model.

Yeah. At all. That's what I, that, I was wondering about that because, um, Japan sounds better than, um,

say Singapore, China or Korea, where the sentences are quite a bit heavier and they will even sentence you to death sometimes. I love when like things dovetail nicely and I was just reading about something called death sentence with reprieve, which is a punishment that they dole out in China where they will sentence you to death but commute or suspend the sentence for a period of two years, which is like a really sweet spot because it's long enough but also short enough. What do you mean suspend the sentence? Like they won't execute you within that two-year period and they will see whether you re-offend or not. And if you do re-offend, like if you can't manage to stay out of trouble in that period of time.

They let you out of jail or you're in jail? Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about. But I can't let you out of jail. You're on death row. I'm curious if they detain you or not. But like basically if you re-offend in a period of two years, then they execute you. Mm. Which is kind of interesting and kind of.

based. And if you're on good behavior, ostensibly still in the prison system, and that you get to just stay in prison? I think so, yeah. Yeah. We're like they, yeah. And two years is, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't even be talking about Jeremy O'Harris. Yeah.

Would have taken the high road on this one, except he, it's really, it is, honestly. Carma's a bitch. He, he, when the deadline article dropped about me getting dropped from my agency

he quote tweeted it and said woke is back and as you can imagine I was already having a pretty stressful day not this guy chiming in I was like come on you fucking faggot you know and I was laying low

so I couldn't you know I was just like oh yeah and it was like right as soon as it had. He was, he did not waste a moment. It was just a reflexive like pile on opportunity for him to say something fucking shitty about me. And yeah, the next day. He went to jail. He went directly to jail. And nobody noticed. Yeah, he didn't even say it. He was three weeks. He pressed send. He got on a plane and he went to jail.

Mm-hmm. You know, at least they'll give him like a bento box for breakfast and he can read all the J-Store articles he wants. I'm assuming that they take your phone away in Japanese prison. It's so I'm hoping that he brought printouts. They're big on solitary confinement there and he definitely, it's, I mean. Well, that's good. He can be alone with his thoughts and do some self-reflection. Oh, yeah.

Like the Grinch or Ibanezer Scrooge. He, I think this will be good for him. Mm-hmm. And I'll pray for him. To do like a little social media detox, honestly. I'm jealous. Matt Gassda is probably jealous, too. Wait, why?

Because Dime Square playwright gets caught up in the drama of the decade. Wait, what happened? Jeremy Harris went to jail. Oh, I thought you meant Matthew Gassett. Oh, no. There's two Dimes Square playwrights. And he's a second. Yeah, yeah.

There's been a void. No, I was seriously like, man, I would really love to go to Japanese jail right about now because, you know, I would lose some weight. You just want to go to one onsen or something. Yeah. The jail really is. I want to go to Andrew Richardson's house. I mean, yeah, you just want to go on like a Zen retreat. Yeah. Yeah.

But the Japanese prison is, but it is, it's, I mean, like I said, I'll pray for him because I pray for all my haters. Uh-huh. But I hope they keep him in there until he learns his lesson. I mean, listen, I have to say, like, I almost feel sorry for the guy. Because, like I said to you, gals, like, this is a guy who is totally unprepared and unequipped for the situation he's facing now, because he's generally, like, never had to confront the consequences of his actions and doesn't understand cause and if. fact because contrary to what he may think about himself or what other people may think about him, he is like a coddled and privileged, affluent American who's been handed everything on a silver platter his whole life. No one's ever said no to him. And this is frankly like very scary.

For sure. I said almost feel sorry. I do kind of feel sorry. Honestly, I'd be satisfied if they let him out. Yeah. I feel like he learned, you know, I feel like they probably put fear in him. But I don't know if they will. Mm-hmm. And if that's how long it takes for justice to be served, then that's how long it takes. Yeah.

He's looking at a sentence of five to seven years, which he probably won't get. And chances are he'll spend a few months behind bars in Japan and then be released back into the United States and be banned from entering the country like Paul McCartney was. that seems to be the general protocol. Well, why does he even want to go to Japan if he hates fascism so much? I know, I know. Which he's about to get a real crash course in a rude awakening. How it really be in a real fascistic nation.

Well, you said it best. He thinks that we're fascists. And he's like kind of obsessed with sniffing out fascism in the United States because, you know, I think by his own admission, he's like an avowed Marxist and anti-racist. But he's about to fuck around. and find out. You really good, yeah. You think that we have a fascist

ethno state, think again. And yeah, I was even kind of hoping that Trump would come to his defense and bail him out because then he would be forced to kiss the ring of MAGA, but that's probably not going to happen because he's realistically like not high profile enough. I mean, I think unless it's,

we don't really do that with Japan. Yeah. We don't get prisoners out of their jail. Mm-hmm. Well, I think the American government can intervene, and they did intervene, like, in the case of, like, Britney Griner, right, when she was prisoner exchanged for, yeah, what's the name? What Japanese per-cannibal is locked up in a American prison from Japan that we need to let out? What sex pervert? Like, how many Japanese people are in jail in America?

They should send the subway takes guy to jail in Japan. A lot of people, a lot of people would benefit from hard labor and reeducation. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. This is true. Not me. No, I've suffered enough. But I do think this is like a win-win situation for everyone involved because, you know, the Japanese government gets to,

uphold their laws. Jeremy Harris gets to languish in prison for a few weeks to a few years and then come back and like, I don't know, write a memoir about it. You get karmic retribution. I don't have to awkwardly lock eyes with him in Dime Square anymore. That's why I don't want to gloat too much. Because I know it's just, everything's just a chain reaction. Yeah, butterfly effect.

but it is woke is back directly to jail. Slapping the cuffs on. The guy unlocked up abroad, they made him sit in a tiny room and stare at a wall for like 10, 12 hours a day. And if he moved, they would come in and hit him and the clock would like restart. Yeah. It was, it's, it is horrible. You really don't want to go to jail in Japan.

But a lot, Japan has also has kind of a peculiar. justice system and that they don't prosecute crimes unless they're positive that they can convict basically so they have a 99% conviction rate that's the Japanese of them but that's because thorough and discipline yeah if they don't think that they yeah have like an airproof case they won't pursue right but this seems pretty airtight right because he was caught traveling with a substance on his person. Yeah. He wasn't smuggling the drugs.

He's obviously not a smuggler or trafficker. He had no intention to like sell them to Japanese people or anything like that. Yeah, I think they do take that stuff. Very seriously as they should. It's right. And it's like when in Rome, when in Okinawa. like my friends my beautiful Japanese friends but it is so like um

arrogant of him to assume that like the rules don't apply to him I mean like you said like conceivably he may not have even known that he had I don't think yeah he was dying to do less than a gram of Molly yeah in Japan I don't think he was

you know, I think if he wanted to even get drugs in Japan, he maybe could. Yeah, duh, you know. So it is possible. It's all kind of an accident. Mm-hmm. But, hey, life comes out of you fast. Yeah. You know?

But as Trump says, the difference between winners and losers. So each person responds. to a new twist of fate. Well, true. But he's going to have a lot of time to reflect on that. Sitting alone in his cell and his tiny cell is a big guy. He's too big for the Japanese jail. Alone with his own thoughts.

Yeah. You know they're scaled down. I know. I had an uncle who traveled extensively through Japan in like the 70s and 80s. he was a small guy maybe like five, six and 160 pounds. And he said that he felt like a big guy over there. Wow. Yeah.

I listened to a podcast when we were driving back from Virginia about people in Japan who like disappear themselves. Okay. And there's a whole industry. If you want to like vanish from your life, there's like services you can hire who will come and like move you out in the dead of night you can just if you're in a ton of debt or don't like your family on your family usually yeah people who are like have no other option yeah but you can just dip out

suicide forest groiper i mean it's like i said i wouldn't i would never wish someone ill or like you know but a japanese prison is kind of like a good amount of misfortune. It's the right amount of a for a hateer. It's the perfect amount because it's not as evil and oppressive as like yeah, like China or one of the Gulf states.

If he was in jail in North Korea, I wouldn't even be joking about it. Yeah, well, there's the case of that guy that I sent to. Jeremy, who, um, what's the name, Otto Warmbier? Who like, young kid who got caught like trying to steal a flag in North Korea.

Like a hotel. Yeah, and they like returned his body to his parents. in a comatose state with his organs liquefied and then he like died the next day. Yeah, they don't do that kind of thing in Japan. Yeah. They don't do the bodies exhibit Chinese organ harvesting, none of that. He'll be fine. Yeah.

And probably better. And then he can read a great jail. Hey, jail play. How about that? Here's the night. When you get out of jail and are listening to this, Jamie. me. And I hope it's sooner rather than later. I really do. I hope he hears this. You hear this. You're in our thoughts and prayers. Jail play. That's a free idea for me to you,

buddy. What was that Meishameline about coming to America and wanting to suck a big white cog? I don't know. I don't know that one. I know about how you have to sign the poem of your life with a splash of blood or whatever. Jeremy O'Harris might even have fun getting raped in Japanese prison because they're like so tiny it's going to take like four or five of them to overpower him. Could be erotic. Could be a lot like slave play, which I haven't seen or read, but as I understand it's not actually about chattel slavery. It's about gay interracial sex. Straight as well.

Okay. But yeah, it's about interracial couples enacting a slave master dynamic. And then the second act is them all doing group therapy and talking in very overt terms about what the play is about. Which is my real issue with Jeremy O'Harris is that he tells rather than shows very much. Right. He like kind of over explains and like hammers in it. Like the dialogue is didactic? Just they're literally all talking in therapy about.

The race play. There's no like kind of like sophisticated turn. It's all very like surface. But titillating. You know, for an actor, it's really fun. Yeah. To get up there and do, you know,

kind of sex and long monologue. It's right. And actor's delight. Uh-huh. Acting is like therapy in some ways. Acting classes definitely have a group therapy vibes. Yeah. I should write a play.

It would be so fun to like saddle my fictional characters with my dialogue while having plausible deniability. Like it would be so fun to write a play about like a podcast, like two girls recording girls in the room like that. Or like a fat, angry, bespectacled Jewish Marxist guy who's like a professional hater of certain podcasts. Theater is a great way to advance an agenda. Yeah. But it's hard to write a play.

Yeah, I'm sure. Well, I think people write plays for the same reason they write poetry because it's probably it seems easier than traditional writing because you don't really have to. Oh, I think it's harder. Well, yeah, I'm saying it seems, but it's not.

Poetry is easy. Yeah. It's just, you're your talent. It's what kind of comes down to if you're talented or not. And you can like hone a natural skill that you have, but ultimately if you don't have like a poetic sensibility. Yeah. Whereas a play, yeah, is maybe easier actually, because you can kind of figure out like a structure and then retrofit. Like, yeah, you can kind of like save the cat, it or whatever the equivalent is for the state. stage. But I mean, I love the theater.

And we'll miss you. We'll miss you, Jeremy. We'll save a seat for you. At the gallery dinner. At the big show. At opening night. Maybe I'll write a play about Jeremy going to jail. Yeah, I'm really

looking forward to his like Tana. C. Coates, a free Palestine, personal narrative. It'll be really interesting. Spending Christmas and New Year's in Japanese jail. Because people don't, I feel like, Japan, people don't have a chip on their shoulder about Japan being a fascistic ethno state. Yeah, because they're so kawaii. Because they're so cute.

And P.O.C. Mm-hmm. Uh, hold on. I'm going to maybe, I think I might have to switch this cord. Uh-oh. It's okay. It's not, there's just like kind of a faint. Well, there is a guy that you were arguing with on Twitter.

I'm going to hold that thought. Or is it we're still recording? Who was talking about how Western leftists turn a blind eye to Mishima's fascism because, he was gay and a minority and you fired back being like, well, no retard. He wasn't a minority in his home country of Japan where everyone is also Japanese.

But he is a minority in the eyes of like the Western audience. Right. Yeah. He's a, yeah. He's a stop Asian hate. So it's easier to forgive him his sins against progressivism. Right. And he wasn't, he was also just too, like, eccentric kind of. Yeah. To be a proper fascist. Yeah. Like, he was creative and gay and hung out with, like, drag queens. Unlike most fascists who are gay but failed creatives.

Exactly. Yeah. He was a successful creative, but a failed fascist. Yeah. And usually it's the inverse. Mm-hmm. True. So, true. So. true where one fails in one respect they excel in the other it would be funny if like Jeremy Harris came back from Japan an avowed fascist who anything he could be like that African politician also named Adolf Hitler what country was that Jeremy O. Hitler I don't remember no I mean it's going to be a it'll change him I think do you think so Yeah, I think if you spend, especially someone like Jeremy, if you really are forced to be alone with your thoughts. I think a guy like that who probably lacks, again, like the intellectual capacity to understand like meta concepts will probably just go insane.

Like he'll probably, I mean, I don't want him to. too. I really don't wish him any ill or harm. It's hard to say because most people aren't in that situation ever. I know. Well, I was thinking about like, most people spend their whole lives avoiding, like, sitting with themselves. Yeah, that's true. Like running away from their like innermost thoughts unless they're like delusional and flattering. Okay, if somebody like assigned us to like a year of hard labor, we'd come out, um, weekend. No.

And traumatized maybe. But would it really change your personality knowing what you know already? Um, I think so. I don't know. Any, the hard labor? Well, both of us also had like, um, serious illnesses and were briefly like, um, briefly gained like a new appreciation for like, but how quickly that fades.

Truly. I know. Yeah, maybe it would just have kind of a fleeting. Yeah. A trauma to process and channel into your creative practice. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving person. Well, there's so, there's not that much goodwill towards them also. Yeah.

Which is, um. interesting because he is so like objectively successful yeah he's Tony nominated yeah um and he had yeah like a big splashy debut and now he's kind of like a mainstay but he's hasn't he's had a lot of like contracts yeah to develop projects that he hasn't really followed through on well is that like a personal failure or just kind of like I think he rested on his laurels after a slave play. Yeah, true. And then he staged a play that he wrote

that I also saw that was his like MFA thesis called Daddy. That's about a black guy who has like an older gay white sugar daddy. Surprise, surprise. And similarly, yeah, it's like his mother appears

at some point and like just says like there's very little action. It's a lot of like talk. And like spelling it out. Yeah. The dynamics. Which is sort of like what plays are one would think, but I see what you mean. They really shouldn't be.

Yeah. You know, at their best, they are like, there's a great play about interracial dynamics. By, oh, God, I'm spacing on his name. It's called Take Me Out. I think it did win a Tony. And it was about a gay black baseball player. Okay. And all of that, it all kind of like unfolds, like, in the locker room and on the mounds.

And it's like, I saw it on Broadway. It was very well staged and told, like, a story. Right. Rather than just characters, like, spouting polemics, which is a little bit where Germany does. Yeah. And that's what a lot of people do now. thanks to like a lot of great artists and writers who learned early on that like the best way to kind of air their polemics is by putting them in the voices of their characters which was like

you know a effective and fitting strategy but which people took too far speaking of treacherous faggots did you see milo on Tucker I didn't I saw that he did Tucker, I noticed that all the big same type of guy as Jeremy O'Harris. Yeah, kind of like... Sinister homosexual.

But with this very like flamboyant, dandy, like especially evil kind of persona that they project. Uh-huh. Math addict. Big, I tried to watch the Milo and it was he's so tweaked out. His eyes are like rolling the back of his head.

He's talking. talking to Tucker about Tokyo Tony and stuff and like just acting like a fucking freak. Tucker's like so are you gay or? Yeah, he's claiming he's not gay while acting. He's like the grinch. He's literally the grinch. It's just such a sham. Yeah.

To be such a disgraceful faggot and get up there and talk about how you're not gay. I know. And nobody's gay and actually like shut you are you are gay. I know. And it's okay. gay. I don't know what the world is. Then I got to go back to Beloit's.

Sent him to Japanese prison too. Exactly. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, I saw that and I was wondering about that because like Tucker had Fuentes on and then he brought Milo who's a sworn enemy on and it felt like kind of below the belt, not even passive aggressive but possibly openly aggressive gesture though I'm sure

Tucker would say like I'm a journalist and I'm free to interview anyone I want he's got content to make you know he's got alpouches to sell hey which he doesn't even have to sell because we'll sell them for free on this podcast

warning warning this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. Today's episode of Red Scare is sponsored by Alp, the nicotine pouch that is single-handedly canceling. This copy's old. Old. You know how it goes. The holidays are coming up. You have to get stalking stuffers for your friends and family. You're worried about making ends meet, which is made even worse by all these Somalis who are committing welfare fraud. a massive national scale.

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I put it in my gum. Yeah. Ah! Oh, I feel like Jermio Harrison a jet. Japanese prison. I'm cracking up. I actually don't feel anything yet. No, no, it's smooth. And the three milligram, no problem. It burns. It's the menthol. I like refreshing chill. And chill men. Which one did I take? I took a mountain winter green. That one's a little intense. As refreshing as the cool and clean air of the mountains of Japan that Jeremy O'Harris will not be seeing from his prison cell.

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We're starting a GoFundMe for Jeremy O'Harris' defense fund. We're going to get the Alp boys to pitch in. We're going to get, congrats to him, by the way, for being like... The first black guy who didn't get arrested for a traditionally black crime

his crime is so white trying to do a little bit of Molly how many black people are in jail in Japan oh the alpals just starting to hit it's okay

I'm using chat GPT so Oh, it's loading. Yeah, it's thinking. You've got to use that to get the, you know, the good stuff. Still loading, huh? Mm-hmm. Well, maybe we draw a guess. How many black people are in jail in Japan?

Well, one for sure. At least one, we know that. At least one. Or he's not maybe in jail yet. He's going to stand trial. He's disappeared like Mahmood Khalil or whatever his name was. Okay. Japan doesn't publish incarceration statistics by race.

Total incarcerated population as of the end of last year was 40,000 people. Foreign prisoners are 6.9%. So that's about 3,000. 3,000 foreign prisoners. So let's see. How many percent? In America, they commit 80% of crimes. So in Japan.

It's really, just tell me. I wish they could just say, just come on. There's no way of finding out because I'm assuming that most of the foreign prisoners in Japan are like whites or other Asians. Yeah, Koreans. Yeah. It's the one country where black people really buck the statistical trends. Good for them.

Um, guess how many Somali doctors are in America? Ooh, good segue. How many? We also kind of don't know. Doctors who went to medical school in Somalia, so came here as trained doctors. The most recent stats are like 10 years old, but 14.

14 Somali doctors. It's got to be more than that. Well, now maybe, but not significantly. I thought to look this up after reading the Elan Omar opad because she said about how Somalis and I was like, how many, really? How many doctors? and probably not. I mean, even if that number increased

100% in the past decade, that's still, that's 28 doctors. Yeah, so true. But there's not that many Somalians here in general. How many are, there's 80,000 in Minnesota. Yeah. Minnesota. And that's the majority.

The burgeoning FGM industry. They should leverage that until a cosmetic. surgeries for white women. It might work out for them because you know, Somalis have those refined and elegant Western features. The white people be coveting and paying the big bucks for like the lift. Yeah. I do I do get a lot of Somali hijabi content on Twitter and Instagram.

It's like an ensemble of really pretty. girls wearing hijabs of different colors and they all look really good and pretty swaddled in there. So wait, okay, I'm a little behind on the Somali fraud story because I was in Argentinian prison last week and I haven't really been keeping up with the news. but there's this big story now that there's something like to the tune of more than one billion in taxpayer funds was siphoned away through like a network of government agencies and NGOs during the pandemic and most of this was presumably going to feed children. Yeah. There's something with the autism too.

Yeah, but they were like providing hot meals for underprivileged people, supposedly, but actually this was going to feed people's lavish lifestyles. Mm-hmm. Um, and then Trump has been lashing out. Yeah. Against the Somalis in particular. Mm-hmm.

Um, I'm just going to read. Yes. Okay, I've had this pouch in my mouth for like five minutes now and I feel nothing. Okay. Maybe you need more milligrams. I've been putting two in, but that will, you'll, it'll hinder your ability to talk. My ability to speak. So a very happy, this is a Trump post, this is a very happy Thanksgiving salutation to all of our great American citizens and patriots who have been so nice in allowing our country.

to be divided, disrupted, carved up, murdered, beaten, mugged, and laughed out, along with certain other foolish countries throughout the world for being politically correct and just plain stupid when it comes to immigration. The official United States foreign population stands at 53 million people, parentheses, census, most of which are on welfare from failed nations are from prisons, mental institutions, gangs, or drug cartels. They and their children are supported through massive payments from patriotic American citizens, who, because of their beautiful hearts, do not want to openly complain or cause trouble in any way, shape, or form. They put up with what has happened to our country, but it's eating them alive to do so.

A migrant earning $30,000 of the green card will get roughly $50,000 in yearly benefits for their family. The real migrant population is much higher. This refugee burden is leading cause of social dysfunction in America, something that did not exist after World War II. Failed schools, high crime, urban decay over credit hospitals, housing shortages, large deficits, etc. As an example, hundreds of thousands of refugees from Somalia are completely.

completely taking over the once great state of Minnesota. Somalian gangs are roving the streets looking for prey as our wonderful people stay locked in their apartments and houses, hoping against hope that they will be left alone. The seriously retarded governor of Minnesota, Tim Walz, does nothing, either through fear and competence or both. While the worst congressman slash woman in our country, Ilan Omar, always wrapped in her swaddling a job and who probably came into the USA illegally and that you are not allowed to marry your brother, does nothing but hayfully complain about our country its constitution how badly she is treated

when her place of origin is a decadent backwards and crime-ridden nation which is essentially not even a country for lack of government military police schools etc um blah blah only reverse migration can fully cure this other than that happy Thanksgiving me all

except those that hate steal murder and destroy everything that America stands for yeah uh and then he at like a press conference he was falling asleep that. He like rose from his slumber and said, I don't want him in this country.

He said it's barely even a country. It's just people walking around killing each other. And that all is kind of true. It is true. I didn't really, I read the Wikipedia for Somalia in my research. And it is

really one of the worst countries. It's crazy. How bad. And I feel like Ilhana Omar's father had a direct hand in making it an even worse country and received amnesty in the United States so she can come here and go out of her dad do. He was some kind of general, aka warlord. Well, yeah, they've been in a civil war. Yeah. Since 91. Yeah. And then I learned about Somaliland. Do you know about this? No. Okay, there's an unrecognized nation in the horn of Africa. It's the largest unrecognized nation land mass wise.

But there's like six million or so people there. But yeah, not like not in the UN, not a recognized country. But when the war broke out, they basically seceded from Somalia and created their own country, which is more stable in the quality. I mean, it's not like a rich country. but the quality of life is higher. Why is that? Did you get anywhere in your research

in terms of explaining that? I think they just well it was, so Somaliland was in the colonial era. Somalia was ruled by the British and the Italians. And the Brits ruled what is now Somaliland,

northern Somalia. And southern Somalia was ruled by Italy. So that, explains why it's more to say. But then in the 60s, when Smolaya was decolonized, what was

the British colony briefly became independent and then rejoined with Somalia, and still is technically, it's all Somalia. It's officially internationally recognized as part of Somalia, but they claim to be an autonomous republic. Is that the idea? And they are. They function as one, but they're

not internationally recognized as a state, but they have their own government, their own parliament, their own military, their own, like, economy. So is this like a Basque country type situation where the people there are, like, more educated and wealthier on average? And the rest of the country needs them to, like, bump up the GDP or whatnot.

I mean, I don't think they really care about their GDP so much. But they need them for, like, basic economic functioning. is what it sounds like, I don't know. I don't know how segregated they are. I assume they do a lot of business with. They are, you know, technically also, it is all Somalia. Yeah.

But I'm assuming that Somalia also is just a network of various mostly antagonistic tribes, right? It's like a tribal society or like a clan-based society. It's got, it has, it's because it's a. It's complicated. I don't even know. I can't even speak on this, but. There's a civil war. Yeah.

Yeah. Caught that felt that broke out when the government was toppled, which for the U.S. probably didn't have a hand in. Just guessing. Just using context clues. Media literacy. Exactly. But they also have like an al-Qaeda.

hate a terrorist organization. That's really, really bad. Yeah. But this speaks to my point about how like when you go to jail in a foreign nation or have a near-death experience due to serious illness, like you learn nothing from it ultimately. Wellbeck talks about this. And like Ilhan Omar came here as like a young immigrant and gleaned no less.

gleaned no lessons from her experience and became extremely antagonistic to like the values and norms of America immediately began counter signaling Americans and talking using these horrible buzzwords like ramifications and accountability performatively wearing her hijab. Yeah. I said this before. I would I would respect her more if she like married her brother for love. not for a green card. Did she marry her brother?

Possibly. I think, I mean, this is, okay. Well, then she married a white guy. Right. Who's like a lobbyist, which is funny because she insists on a brother the way like, you know,

auntie. Yeah. No, it's her brother and he's gay. But, no, it's crazy because like there's no need for her to wear the hijab. There are certain things that you couldn't say like five years ago like Virginia guffrey is clearly BPD rest in peace and Ilhan Omar's hijab is clearly performative she's Muslim Anna yeah it's not like a sign of authentic religious devotion or faith like come on now she should just like keep donning a

bigger and bigger hijab as a bit I'd love to see her a gorgeous way yeah she's bald on underneath, like, Hasidic women. Like a witch. Witches are bald, Anna. She does look like, okay, Ilhan Omar is really beautiful, but she does look like, um, she's too pretty to be in politics. An evil Disney queen. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, very, like, pointed. Yeah. But, okay, so she basically, to recap, there was this. organization called Feeding Our Future that was like based in Minnesota and they siphoned all these taxpayer dollars away and this has led to 61 convictions before it was finally halted feeding our future had falsely claimed to have served 91 million meals for which the group received nearly 250 million in federal funds according to federal prosecutors that money did not go to feed kids federal officials say instead it was used to

fund lavish lifestyles, conservative politicians and bloggers have alleged that the state's liberal establishment was cowed into inaction by intimidation from feeding our future, which contracted within the state's large Somali community because the food charity sought to paint early scrutiny of the nonprofit as racism. I mean, this is similar to what happened with BLM, where Patrice's colors and all the other top officials basically skimmed off the top and ended up like boosting their real estate portfolios. In recent days, President Trump has Wade in calling Minnesota a hub of fraudulent money laundering activity and saying Somali perpetrators should be sent back to where they came from. This prompted Ilhan Omar to write an

op-ed in the New York Times, which means she's scared. Trump knows he's failing. Cue the bigotry. It's like the most obvious title for an article ever. Yeah. And she talks about how Trump fails to realize how deeply Somali Americans love this country. We are doctors, teachers, police officers and elected leaders working to make our country better. Over 90% of Somalis living in my home state, Minnesota, or American citizens by birth or naturalization. Some even supported Mr. Trump at the ballot box. And then she goes on to like the woes me victim card thing

where she says, I'm deeply worried about the ramifications of these tirades. When Mr. Trump maligns me, it increases the number of death threats that my family, staff members, and I receive. As a member of Congress, I am privileged to have access to security when these threats arise. what keeps me up at night is that people who share the identities I hold, black, Somali, hijabi, immigrant, will suffer the consequences of his words,

which so often go unchecked by members of the Republican Party and other elected officials. Then she launches into another paragraph where she talks about when he first ran for president a decade ago, he launched his campaign with claims that he was going to pause Muslim immigration to this country, as since falsely accused Haitian migrants of eating pets and referred to Haiti and African nations

as shithole countries. He has accused Mexico of sending rapists and drug peddlers across our border. It is unconscionable that he fails to acknowledge how this country was built on the backs of immigrants and to mock their ongoing contributions. How is any of this false? No offense.

The owl pouch is really hitting now. It's mostly facts and the rest is like a matter of opinion that can't be submitted to normal, like, truth vetting claims. Yeah, I read an article in Routers that was like, yeah, about the de-hum-the-riteric is what people take issue with. Yeah.

He says, garb. He called her garbage. Uh-huh. And that this is, like, dehumanizing. But I feel like that's all landing very flat. Yeah, I mean, it is, it is kind of, like, dehumanizing. personalizing to personally refer to somebody as garbage, but that's like a personal attack. So as much as it sucks, it is allowed.

And like, is anyone not getting death threats also? I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. If I wrote an op-ed every time I got some death threats. My death threat by Anna Kachian.

Translated in Espagnol. Like, what is the, what is like a credible, like, what is a credible death? rat. Yeah. Like people on Twitter and on Reddit are like saying she should do. Okay, whatever. Did the Somali people perpetrating major welfare fraud ever think that this could be possibly dehumanizing to American citizens and like their way of life and their bottom line?

I mean, also the thing is like, you can't really blame Somali people for coming to this country. Of course, they're from a shittle. And doing their dirt. And I guess, you know, pursuing and securing their immediate interests and not having any sight of the bigger picture and their participation in the like the experiment or the idea that is the American nation. You have to blame the people that like enable them to do this. They were settled like the Somalis. who are here are here as refugees. I mean, not all of them at this point because a lot of them are born here now.

Well, yeah, but the ones that are naturalized came here through a refugee program at this country government facilitated. What could possibly go wrong? And yeah, like if you lived, if I lived in Somalia, I'd want to get out. Get out. even my mom who, you know, is a very smart and perceptive woman and generally, like, has good judgments. But unfortunately, has a serious case of TDS recently apparently claimed that she would vote for Trump if he deported all the Somali immigrants. Okay.

Which is funny because... She's had enough. Yeah. What's going on with the attack? No, no, it's fine. It's fine. I have to cut all of this anyway because it makes my mom not bad. Why did she think there weren't black people in Minneapolis before?

Because it, I don't know. That's a good question. I think she thought it was like too cold for black people to settle there. She had kind of a quaint idea of like the Midwest, I guess. Yeah. I was in a town called Reading Pennsylvania. Yeah. that we stayed at like a very beautiful bed and breakfast.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, gorgeous. That is like a 19th century, like mansion. That was like repurposed, beautiful. Very well maintained. But the town itself, mostly Puerto Ricans. I mean, even where Elena is from in Wisconsin, I mean, her dad's Puerto Rican. and there's like a lot of Puerto Ricans there.

It looks like LA. And it's not as like, it's not as straightforward as like a replacement. I mean, because first the town, you know, which was formerly like Dutch English, kind of like industrial town of some repute. It was like it's like a long,

the climb. Yeah, I mean, like the United States and particularly like the Midwest is full of these, um, you know, historic, wealthy big cities with like gorgeous architecture that have been completely gutted. Like you go anywhere in upstate New York, like Syracuse, Watertown, like, you go to obviously Chicago, Detroit, it's all white flight and people obviously talk about white flight as if it's

the fault of white people fleeing and they're fleeing like, you know, crime and poverty and dysfunction but of course again like I guess my most leftist or like LibTard take is that you can't like exactly blame

the people who are coming in. Sure. no it's a systemic problem and even you know that's not like reading pennsylvania became depressed and then it happened like in tandem yeah and i mean part of this is just due to the death of industry and the rise of offshoring yeah like all these yeah like large systemic economic forces that are like too big for people to understand. And I suspect Minnesota's like similar that the reason, uh, I guess Somalians settled there. Somalis. Yeah. Somalilanders. Hard to say. Yeah. Well, I just assume that they were assigned. Yeah. To those areas. Yeah. But that's because they had the infrastructure

and the room. Yeah. There is some like, Or rule irony or twist of fate and putting these like warm weather people in a cold weather climate And making them make the best of it by committing massive large scale welfare fraud but whatever I digress I mean didn't the Armenians do a bunch of COVID fraud weren't they the most they do well okay IA and YAN distinction the YANs are commit massive Medicaid fraud. Yeah. I think they committed like the biggest Medicare fraud in the history of the nation. How do you? How? How do I get it on fraud? I know. Yeah. I don't even know how to begin. I don't have a network in place.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but then you get into the Belarusian diaspora. Yeah. It's letting me down. But it is I mean, this is like a different issue because yeah, like these people were basically bust in like tons of them. And, you know, at a very high rate and they just like don't have the time to assimilate.

They don't have to. Yeah, and they don't have to. They very quickly learned and adjusted their behaviors. Because they're like tribal enclaves are accounted for. And this like threatens the whole basis of the democratic model which depends I guess

on like a shared vision of like civic responsibility. Well yeah, the punchline of the Alon Omar op-ed is her like talking about she's grateful to Minnesota and we will not let Mr. Trump intimidate or debilitate us. We are not afraid. After all, Minnesotans that only welcome refugees they also sell into Congress. Yeah, and it's like...

Because yeah, you change the demographics. Yeah, yeah. of a town so then you end up electing those people. Yeah, so inevitably you as a representative. It's like saying like Jeremy O'Harris It's like a top playwright because there's only like four playwrights. And most people have only heard of like two of them. It's literally just numbers.

It is. It's so audacious to speak for Minnesotans when you've changed what a Minnesotaan is. If a Minnesota is a Somali person, then of course they're going to welcome more Somalis. On the one hand, when you import an entire community to the foreign country, right, of course they're going to have certain people who are more industrious and ambitious

and like want to act as representatives for that community. Sure. But like my personal feeling about it, which, you know, is maybe like racist and controversial, but I just feel like new immigrants to the nation should not really be elected officials. Not in the case.

Unless they're subject to like a very strict and serious vetting process and pledge their commitment and loyalty to America over their country and community. I mean I wouldn't even they could like in a local capacity. I'm not even averse to like ethnic enclaves like a China town. like a little Mogadishu whatever they want, you know?

And sure, yeah, like, you can be a, you can be on a community board or, you know, like a local representative. Yeah, but we shouldn't be sending Somalis to Congress. No. Are there any Russians in Congress?

No. Maybe. Well, maybe Russian Jews. Yeah, yeah, it's always, yeah. It's always people who owe their loyalty. to no one but their tribe. There's probably not. I can't imagine.

Yeah, there is a big distinction between like, you know, recent immigrants of a generation ago versus recent immigrants of today, even in the sense that like prior generations of immigrants were sort of like humble and hardworking and kept their heads down. And these new immigrants like want to like, want to like. raise awareness and make a lot of noise about their like personal causes which again you can't blame them they're only doing what's right for their community whatever but like it is it does feel like arrogant and entitled well what do you make of i guess

america bearing responsibility due to the role that they've played in destabilizing a certain regions, then how can we really say that we don't want any refugees? I mean, I think that like, not that like Somalia was, I don't know when the heyday of Somalia was probably under colonization. But we did rewound that. We ran that back. I mean, I'm like a colonialization truther in that I think that while colonialismization was probably pretty violent and brutal,

that it was on the whole more beneficial than what we call decolonialization. Well, that's, I think, a little erroneous. Say more. Because decolonization is also a kind of a violent process. And maybe, yeah. That could only come. about once colonization already.

You know, it's not like these places were decolonized before. Decolonization is like a new thing, but the damage has already sort of been done. Yeah, but what I'm saying is that this is an unfalsifiable problem because you can make the case that like Marty Parrots made about like the Palestinian people that, you know, they would have been living in like mud huts, were it not for white, Western European powers, but you can't, like, prove that. Right. They might have flourished on their own. Yeah. But, well, this is, there's a funny, you know.

Well, okay, like, it's not Nigeria. Recently, I was going down the rabbit hole of, like, African architecture. Well-meaning liberals were arguing that the history of, like, African architecture. in the United States and in Africa and elsewhere in the world has been suppressed due to like racist imperatives. And that there are all these like lost cities and lost tribes that reached a high level of like civilizational development. But the fact of the matter is that there's probably like no such thing as African

architecture as such because architecture in terms of like, grand and functional built environment is probably like a Western construct. Well, they had the long house. Yeah, they did. famously. We know about that. I've been watching kind of half watching because I fall asleep, but the Ken Burns American Revolution. Series, which is very good, by the way, people like love to shit on Ken Burns.

burns because he's like a libt hard right yeah because he's a boomer from Massachusetts duh or wherever New England but it's not that it's you know he's pretty there's like salmicides about slavery but there should be like yeah he's relatively like agendaless yeah in my estimation well it seems like because he was around before like the current era of like woke political correctness. He probably, again, was a pretty thorough and disciplined researcher who did his homework. For sure. No, he's not running an agenda.

He's like trying to make. And like any agenda that he may have is probably like unconscious or subconscious. And if you're like reasonably media literate, you can detect it and like disregard it. You can adjust for bias. Yeah. And draw your uncorselions. Yeah. But he's a pretty like.

reliable historian. I feel and is able to, and he's got a star, all the voices, he's got Paul Giamati. Amazing. Oh, but I forgot,

I forgot, there was some longhouse depicted in the indigenous communities. Oh, yeah, like a native longhouse, yeah. Yeah.

Which was like, yeah, like a mud or thatch hut that was like a long structure with like doorways, and windows, but no, like, panes or doors.

Just one big communal living space. Yeah. Well, do you remember that it was a couple years ago, but there was like a piece in the Guardian that we talked about on this podcast about how architecture was inherently patriarchal. Yeah. Or, like, build the concept of the building. And I think that, yeah, it's like a Western Faustian impulse. Yeah.

And if architecture was. female or indigenous in its character it would just be like a ditch it wouldn't have we wouldn't have had a skyscraper yeah it would just yeah true they didn't

I mean America was a colony okay Ken that's one thing I learned it was many colonies and we didn't descend into tribal warfare we did a little bit yes you're making a very racist argument now. How?

No, no! A colony made by like, um, intelligent, white European men who were like, um, inspired, imbued with the Faustian spirit or whatever you want to, whatever. I'm thinking a liberal point about how there are, you know. I mean, in some ways, it's like, it's like, there's something like beautiful and symbolic about the fact that like Somalis are under fire because they're really incidental to the story. It's just like a story about how they're a scapegoat. Yeah.

Gerard talks about this. Yeah, but they're, yeah, sure. Like me. They're, but obviously, like, it just points to the, the ills. The externalities of having like a multicultural society without like a shared framework where things like a descend. into tribalism and patronage, obviously. And in America, we have some capacity for that.

Yeah. But not, it's just gone too far. Yeah. And the Somalians, again, I'll say aren't like, they have problems clearly in the Somalia. Okay, is Somali racist or which, are they Somalians or are they Somalis? and if it's racist to say Somalis, I take it back. I think it's Somali now, but it was Somalian when we were growing up, right? I don't know.

I don't know. But yeah, they're not, you know, in like, yeah, Minnesota, there's a large population of them, but overall they don't make up a big demographic of, like, immigrants. And honestly, I don't consider them black. Yeah, same. I don't think when Ilan Omar is talking about. so Muslims and blacks, I'm like, why is she, I'm like, oh yeah, I guess because she's technically black.

Why is she throwing her law in with these people that she's fundamentally apart from? I really don't. Out of convenience and opportunism. That's what she's doing. It's like her wearing her hijab. I want like a, she's not black. Like a AI evolution of all of Ilhan Omar's headdresses. Look, also the fact of the matter is that like in Muslim countries,

Um, wearing a hijab is like a, um, signal of faith and devotion. Well, you're kind of forced to. Yeah. And also, yeah, an obligatory, compulsory gesture. Yeah. In Western societies, it always felt to me like a, um, intimidation tactic. Mm-hmm. Right?

Mm-hmm. I mean, yeah, there's something really, really wrong with. Ilan Omar, I think. Well, she's very smart and clever and a girl boss in the Western mold. She's not actually like a backwards

indigenous Somali woman. No. But I think as you said, in this country there is a racial

dynamic due to slavery. And typically a black person in America is descendant from slaves. They're not like a... Like an African American, an Aeros or whatever, yeah. They're not like a highly educated African immigrant, though they are technically and sure, like colorism. Like all of that is fake.

Yeah, well, you know, I remember. saying this in 2020 that there's going to be a race where inevitably between like highly educated imported Africans and not so educated rural or inner city African Americans because their interests are also at odds. Yeah. They're not the same. This is like when the Asian girl bosses tried to throw their lot in with black anti-racism. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

in the is it routers routers routers reuters so yes i got to go back um yeah sometimes when i'm doing research all kind of like you know i know it's going to be kind of full of weird lies yeah and then i just want to see kind of like what the take the temperature historians say there's a risk to people of color when authorities use racist rhetoric. In October, Leaks political group chats exposed racist, anti-easemitic and violent rhetoric among young Republican leaders. Okay. Yeah.

So now that's getting like footnoted as some aside. Fueling concerns that hate speech has become normalized in American politics. And this is a quote from Omar. The president has always had very bigoted xenophobic, Islamophobic comments when it comes to people who are of Muslim faith or people who are black. That's not even true. We've seen him call African nations as shitholes. And so it's not really surprising.

This is the second part of the quote. But people of Muslim faith or who are black. Yeah. Is not that's. That's just a sweeping category. That's crazy. Yeah. And one people, one of those groups has like,

legitimate historical grievances in the context of this country. Right. And Muslim people are accomplices in those historical grievances because they were the ones selling them. I thought that was the Jews. But that's, it's the Islam. It's, I don't believe in Islamophobia categorically as some of, problematic that needs to be guarded against.

Sure, yeah, true. Like, Muslim people don't have collective grievances the way the black African-American people do. Yeah. They have like, after 9-11, maybe some people were mean to them on the subway. Like, what are we talking about? When we talk about a Sikh guy in a turban for. a Muslim guy and happened to murder him at a gas station or whatever

but yeah I know it's just like that's like what are we talking about when we talk about the people of Muslim strategy of like mixing metaphors to get any critics off your trail which is what she's doing and it's like smart and strategic I guess

even though like everyone can totally see through it at this point it's such a scam and the jig is up yeah yeah I mean I don't think that Ilhan Omar should even be in a elected official. I don't think we should be in this country. If she really did marry her brother. She should just be like a fashion or makeup influencer.

I know. She would probably make more money doing that. Yeah. Because she's so pretty. Maybe she doesn't need the money. Yeah. Maybe she's in it for the love of the game. Yeah.

I don't think she's in it for the money. She's in it. I don't know what she's in it for. She's very opaque to me. psychologically kind of I don't or don't really know anyone like that yeah or what really that is yeah Tucker's new refrain he's going what is that like all of his he has a guest on and he's got some he's got mylo he's a what is that what is gay what is that it's true and I'm like well Elon Omar what is that yeah I know what are what are you what are they called

there, what happened? There was her AOC and the other one. Ayanna Presley and Rashida Talib and it was called the squad. The whack pack. Yeah. I watched Girls Night the other night. What's that? It's, um,

it's like a black girl comedy with Tiffany Haddish and Queen Latifah. About four friends called the Flossy Posse. their like childhood friends. Wait, didn't they already make this movie? Yeah, it's old. It was, what year is it from? It's from like to early, like, 2017. Oh, weird, because there was also like a

2007. Black feminist, like, crime thriller. I think it was called Set It Off. This one's kind of like a raunchy romp, hijinks comedy. They go to New Orleans to the Essence magazine festival. Because it's kind of like sex in the city. There's four of them.

The main ones, like, kind of the Carrie Bradshaw. And, yeah, they reconnect and go to New Orleans. Tiffany Haddish is very funny. Wait, what is it called?

Girls trip. Girls trip. Girls trip. But. Freak Nick, the movie. But yeah, when we have a Muslim girls trip,

you know, then I feel like a simulational will have been achieved. Girls podge. But until then, until there's four hijabi chicks. This is from 2017. There's a

1996 movie called Set It Off by F. Gary Gray, famous black director written by Kate Lanier and Takashi Buford. The film stars Jada Pinkett, Queen Latifah Vivica A. Fox and Kimberly Elise and follows

four close friends in Los Angeles who plan to execute a bank robbery. That sounds fun. That does sound fun. Yeah, well, four Four friends is kind of a class. There's an archetypal thing there. It's funny to think of a sex in the city, but it's all black girls. This is kind of what Girlstrip is. Yeah.

Except there's not really a Miranda. Yeah, because black people really don't have that kind of concept. They don't have that type of person. But there's kind of like, yeah, like a trad wife one who's actually. like divorce but kind of sad but like yeah more than the queen latifah's kind of like a high power publicist there's like the carry and then tiffany hadish is kind of like the joker's wild comic relief uh-huh anyway i forget why i brought this out oh to highlight uh the difference between muslims and blacks oh yeah and this movie's very haram the stuff these chicks get up to

they're squirting and like full their salt they fucking and suck they fucking and suck eating chicken wings mm-hmm um adjusting they weaves big time yeah um yeah then no there's just like like there's just like a giant community of like black Christian people who are kind of low-key islamophobic i think high key a high key and then there's also like the nation of Islam people. Which Jeremy O'Harris might join after his stinted He's going to become a 5%er. I want him to come back from Japan with a bowtie,

cropped haircut, Malcolm X kind of vibe. I'd respect him way more. Yeah. If he became Muslim. It would be funny. If he became a black nationalist. Yeah.

That would be cool. Yeah. Did you know that Mace was Maga? Who's that? Mace is a rapper from Harlem who was part of Bad Boy Records. No. He's amazing. He's so cute

and lovable. He became a preacher and renounced the hip-hop lifestyle. And then, I guess, is also Mago, which is cool. It made me like him more. That is cool. Mace and Betha. I'm looking up Jeremy O'Harris' birthday. June 2nd.

Cancer? Cancer. That explains it all. It sure does. You a moody ass poop. Play a hater. Yeah. Attacking a fellow

PhD. What? Play a hating degree. From Yale University. He majored in play a hit. Honestly, I feel like people would be way nice to me if they, if they, if you you're black. Well, yes, but also if they knew I was a Pisces.

Dasha, everybody knows you're a Pisces. I feel like they don't. They don't act like I'm a highly sensitive, dreamy individual who's maybe not like cut out for like wheeling and dealing. You know? They attack me. But they don't know. True.

I don't know what it's like. They don't understand the Piscian spirit. They don't. It's hard out there. Should we talk about, well, I was going to segue into this duo of divorce articles. Let's do that. Maybe we save that for a last because we should talk about the Mum Donnie encampment thing. Oh, yeah.

Mom Donnie said he's not going to do the encampment sweeps. Yeah. once he takes office, which I guess was an Eric Adams initiative, though it doesn't seem like they're doing that many swoops. It was the signature Eric Adams. Yeah, he's pledged to stop homeless and camp at the sweeps is one of his fat. He did a bad job. When he comes to office next month, which will effectively end a signature Eric Adams policy, he said, if you're not connecting homeless New Yorkers to the housing that they so desperately need, then you cannot deem anything you're doing.

to be a success. Mumdani said of the Adams policy which has faced criticism for not getting those homeless people into permanent homes after the sweeps. And then Adams immediately released a video response where he condemned the Momdani measure using this

progressive argument that it's like compassionate and humane to take people off the street, especially if they're in distress or like if the climate is getting cold. He says we can't tolerate a city that turns a blind eye to human suffering.

And he talks about, like, you know, like human welfare and quality of life and all this stuff. And he's talking about the homeless themselves and obviously, like, not the people that are directly affected by the presence and activities of homeless on New York City streets, which is mostly like local women and children. Adam says, let's call it for what it is, labeling the abandonment of our homeless neighbors as progress is just a slap in the face to real progress. can't tell if he's being

strategic there and trying to belatedly pander to progressive mom-dani voters or if he's just retarded Well, to what end? He's got no reason. Yeah, I don't know. He's not right. He's going straight to turkey. Yeah.

Um, but like, you know, my feeling is like if that's the frame that we're using, then woke are more correct. And I'm with Zoran, Momdani. No, Anna. You expect me to be like, fuck Mom Donnie he's going to turn the city into an even bigger shithole country but I'm actually like I see where he's coming from I mean that's not what he's saying though what do you mean who which mom donnie no he's he's pretending like you can somehow house these people right yeah it's the encampment sweep yeah that feels like a like nebulous terminology well mom donnie wants to like uh

somehow hire these social workers, which I don't know how he'll get the money for. Yeah. But yeah, his vision is that we won't be sweeping them. We'll be like gently housing them somehow. But the fact is that these, a lot of these street homeless don't want to be housed. Yeah, they don't want to be housed.

Yeah, they don't want to be housed. And they like ruin every housing situation that they're given because they're fundamentally, anti-social people who have made the choice to not take responsibility for their own lot in life and to menace other people. That goes to that thing. But the thing with homeless encampment sweeps

is that they don't work. Because what ends up happening is like, you know, you and your neighbors call 311. The cops show up. They like take the people off the streets and shift them around somewhere and then they're back within the span of a few hours to a few days.

This is from the New York Post, whether it's supportive housing, whether it's rental housing, whatever kind of housing it is, because what we have seen is the treatment of homelessness as if it's a natural part of living in the city when in fact it's more often a reflection of a political choice being made, said Mum Donnie. The young incoming mayor, though, offered up no specifics on how we plan to address scores of complaints about homeless camps around the city. According to 311 data, city officials received more than 45,000 complaints for encampments in the first 11 months of 2025. 40,000 of those came from me. And like, look, everybody knows that, like, breaking up homeless encampments is a temporary solution because nobody wants to think of a permanent solution

because it sounds an awful lot like the final solution. And it requires a lot of, like... Well, it would be, you have to house them against their will, which is a incarceration of sorts. It's a non-starter in, like, the, progressive logic. It just doesn't work that way to them. And like, you know, it requires number one, a lot of cooperation from various government

and officials and agencies that are often at odds with each other and have like conflicting goals and aims. It requires funds that the city doesn't have on hand. It requires like infrastructure that's like desperately lacking at this point. And then it most of all it requires basically an attitude adjustment that, like the opposite of like the conceptual framework we're all used to operating under which is like you can't house somebody against their will because this is a great crime and like a monstrosity is their right to live in the street yeah which is not how a society works yeah and like you know these people have shown that they cannot take care of themselves and they have chosen to be a menace to society but you know nobody wants to go there because this is

again seen as more harmful and monstrous than leaving them to their own devices Maybe we'll 3D print some nice asylum we can lock them in? I don't know what like I don't know it just seems like Naivet on Mom Doni's part

I think he's being very smart and strategic and he is not stupid enough to think that street homeless can be rehabilitated but it's playing into his larger like plan or message of focusing on housing and affordability, which he's, you know, frankly, right to pursue. Of course.

But that doesn't seem like the problem. Yeah, it's like, it's not. And I don't know what like not sweeping homeless encampments is going to realistically look like. Right? Like, what does that mean? But he's not wrong in like taking Eric Adams to task. for being ineffectual and incompetent in this way. Because again, like they,

they sweep these encampments periodically and then leftists deny they exist. And then they're like back to square one. Like you can see them on my block. They're everywhere. And like I'll be honest. Like I'm not trying to like deliberately like misinform or bamboozle people. Like they're not as bad as like Skid Row in L.A.

or like the whatever, Skid Row and SF, but they're... The tenderloin. Yeah. Like, they're not, like,

concentrated, massive, like autonomous zones. Autonomous zones. Yeah. Of, like, extreme, like, poverty and degradation

and drug addiction, but they are, they do, like, infringe and, in fact, everything that they touch. It's a nuisance.

Yeah, it's, I think it's more than a nuisance. It's, like a danger and a menace. It's like really bad and it shouldn't like there's no like wealthy civilized nation on the face of the earth that allows us to happen outside of America.

Like you go to any other country. This doesn't exist. Definitely not in Japan. Let's send them to Japan with the 7.78 grams of Molly and then let the Japs take care. all it takes is one ticket to Tokyo. Yeah, but like, Mom Doni is basically pointing to the incompetence and ineffectuality of homeless sweeps.

And, like, 311 and NYPD are very helpful. Like, they'll do their job and show up. Not if you're calling about a Department of Buildings related complaint. They are not helpful at all. Um, um, they just reroute the complaint to a kind of

a nebulous organization. Yeah, but you basically just like do need like a permanent institutional system of like detainment centers and mental health facilities that keep these people under lock and key at all times. And most of them probably can't be rehabilitated, but a small number will be. and can be reintroduced back into society.

If we can do that, that's great. Yeah, but nobody wants to put their, like, will and money into the problem. I don't think, like, Mom Donnie is really serious about tackling the homelessness crisis. This is probably pretty low on his list of priorities at this point. You think, I think. But you think of, like, the frame, and the frame is always, like, how, again, inhumane and in compassionate it is to like leave these people on the street

when they have like literally just like chosen like they're completely rational actors much like Somali immigrants or refugees or whatever they are not rational actors they are in their immediate illness yeah but they are very rational and like you know as many people have pointed out in how they choose to live their lives

and who they choose to target there's also this like fine like hair splitting distinction between the various like shades and stripes of street addict homeless. Like there are some who will menace people on the train. And then there are some who mostly keep to themselves and live in these like, like mini tent cities. And they're often not the same people.

But in both cases, they should probably be put away. way for the benefit of everybody involved, which again, like, I hear myself saying this and it sounds harsh and authoritarian, but like what other solution is there other than to like let them thrive and flourish in their own way and like wreak havoc and chaos? I mean, maybe you, one man's put away is another man's, you know, housed. Maybe mom, Donnie, will, will house them somehow against all odds. Yeah, I mean, and their preferences, which are kind of not to be institutionalized. Yeah.

Which I can understand. Yeah, like, I've always said that I envy these people for their freedom. But, like, yeah, they cannot be trusted to oversee their own fate. Because they've proven time and again they can't manage like the basic functions of life. But in that way, don't you think they're not rational? They aren't rational. Well, not like on a longer time scale, but in a short time frame they are because they're like pursuing their own. Right. It's game theory. They're pursuing their own like interests, which is like to to shoot up. Yeah. High and be free.

Which, you know. Must be nice. Must be nice. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's one guy in the East Village very close to my church, who is not a menace, but like clearly, yeah, just. And on a nice day. Yeah. I see him. He's wearing sunglasses.

He's drinking beer in the afternoon. He's chilling on the street. Yeah, he's like a fashion inspiration for Damna Gucci. Yeah, he looks cool. He's like, like, girl these fits. Yeah, he like, people will complain and he'll be swept. And then he inevitably just comes back because that's where he lives. Is he like disruptive or nuisance?

Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of that too, like, if we're being honest, there's a lot of them just like kind of keep themselves. But it does seem like a lifestyle decision he has made. Yeah, of course. again they're very distinct from like shelter homeless who have like temporarily fallen on hard times and are looking for a place to like lay their heads with the kids and family like sure my issue is that it is like yeah like a mental health crisis hate to use that phrase and it's also like a public health crisis because they're like filthy and unhygienic sure and it just also also

just like as a matter of like cultural pride and self respect you shouldn't let derangement and degeneracy like pollute nice wealthy cities we got all these great outer

boroughs put them on Roosevelt Island like why not just I know the affordable housing too like why Manhattan Yeah, I mean that's

Why can we just keep the aisle clean? Yeah. We just have Manhattan. We have one little tiny island And they can go anywhere else. Mm-hmm. I mean, the one nice thing I will say about street homeless is that they totally

put the lie to right-wing racialist logic, because drug addiction is like the great leveler and it's very multicultural. And especially down here, the demographics are very evenly split. Right. And yeah, it's very shocking. A lot of the street homeless here are white men and women.

Yeah. I believe it. Sure. Yeah. Do we have more wine? No, but I have that. I have some flying aces like caramel corn whiskey. I might open that.

I'll have a little bit. One big ice cube, please. I'll take mine Rufo's style. Or no, he doesn't drink. I'll take mine Lomas style. Thank you. Your microphone. That's okay.

I'm like an inch away from being a street homeless myself. Who am I kidding? That's all cope and compensation. I'm really on a homemaking tip. Uh-huh. I'm loving my new space. and I love, um, well, Zoron's going to make it into a mixed income living facility. Well, where are, it's already so fucked.

My old apartment, the scaffolding is like basically a window level. It's honestly such a blessing that I was able to move before I got canceled. Uh-huh. Because they also got after hours permits. Uh-huh. And so they just all, wait, what?

That's so crazy. They get them like a week at a time, but you can look it all up. Okay. Yeah, you know. But yeah, they just are,

they're still building that. The high ride. They should fill it with homeless people. Well, when all is said and done. They originally was going to be like luxury condos. Uh-huh. And now.

For homeless people. Well, now they've adjusted. to meet a tax abatement that Adams ushered in, where if 25% of the units are affordable, which these Israelis will probably just give to their family and friends, and then the rest will be like overly priced, like Saudi-style condos still.

But it remains to be seen if they'll leave them in the middle of... I mean, it's not my problem anymore. But truly if I had to spend the week, like, with the relentless, like, the relentless construction noise ceased. And then I got canceled. But if those two overlap, like, I wouldn't have made it. Yeah. When it rains, it pours. I would have just, I would have checked out.

I would have euthanized myself. you would have checked out like the many middle-aged women checking out of their marriages. Hell, yes. Let's go. Wait, let's do a flying aces. Whiskey tasting smells like rubbing alcohol, courtesy of Rufo and Lomaz podcast. Our sister podcast. Okay, this one's way less bad than the other one.

It's sweet. It's sweet. This is caramel corn flavor. It's American made. It's not very peedy. It's holiday inspired. It's not terrible. It doesn't taste like whiskey.

No, it tastes like some cocktail liquor. You can make them a street homeless and just drink your caramel whiskey on the sidewalk. No, but it is getting cold as cold as hell. I hope Mom Donnie is going to build that affordable housing quick enough. But, right, so there were two articles this week. One was in the New York Times. It was a piece about why, what was it called? It's called opinion, colon.

It's okay that our long and mostly good marriage ended. And then there was another one in the cut that was called the women quietly quitting their husbands. Rather than deal with the drama of divorce, more and more women over 40 are choosing just to check out. The first one is by a woman called Kathy Hanauer. Ms. Hanauer is the author of three novels and two essay anthology. She was working on a novel about single women in love. She and her husband, Daniel Jones, founded the Times Modern Love column. Right.

The second one is by a woman called Monica Corkeran Heral, a journalist and screenwriter who covers culture and relationships. And hers is more of a survey of people in her milieu. Yes. Who are unhappily married, but choosing to stick it out. Not exactly. Kind of just retreating. Yeah. Without officially getting divorced.

Yes. And then the first one is like kind of a personal essay about her experience with getting divorced but not legally. Separating. Yeah. Yeah. Ending her marriage but not officially. Yes. And well, yeah.

So Dan, her husband still has a girlfriend and a great home upstate where he now cooks and entertains and where I'm sometimes welcome. Sad. I've learned how to change a flat tire, reset my Wi-Fi password, and build a metal drawer unit. It's upside down but works fine. And through the much maligned dating apps, I've met men in Maine, Virginia, Michigan, France. A retired police lieutenant. I've met Somalian doctors. A builder engineer, an ER doctor, and a former TV producer who's now a treasured friend. I dated a sweet man who'd recently lost a son, reminding me anew to cherish my kids. I've talked politics with people. far outside my bubble. The highs, lows, and breath updating keep me visceral and evolving. I'm not young, though, and know that in the great singles game of musical chairs,

I may not end up seated again, especially since I won't marry or cohabitate. It's crazy how there are so many women writers out there whose main output is covering sex and love from like a personal lens, because they're maybe personally aggrieved by men, but really secretly mad at the, themselves because they still seek male attention and are flattered by it.

Well, at all, like, this, at first I was reading it and kind of like, you know, it was like a little funny. And then it really quickly got extremely chilling. It's like cope through and through. Why would you publish this? Sickening. And it sounds like her, right. And then she says, no, we haven't legally divorced. for health insurance and tax reasons but are otherwise fully separated.

A lifelong good marriage is beautiful, admirable, beneficial, and parting amid life can devastate the unhealthy or a loan of verse. I'm neither. I'm sure, babe. Yeah. But tromping single around Paris or Maine, I've sometimes wished for someone to dine or hike with. I've spent hot Augusts and the holidays, blah, blah,

and I fret much this part. Yeah. I fret much more about money than I did during our marriage. After divorce, women tend to suffer financially, men socially. that said Dan and I settled without feuding lawyers on an agreement that feels fair to us both. I'm still a writer. He still pays for my health insurance plus a monthly stipend. How convenient.

How easy. After all, the writing we did together fueled his career too. Yeah. And yet. Well, okay. My impression after reading these two weirdly synced articles was that like, yeah, like love and sex could be interesting topic of inquiry if you're like an impartial social scientist like Charles Murray or Ayala or Ayala and you're looking at like social trends through like graphs and

curves and so on but that's not what's going on here and it's always this like personalized confessional tone and then I was thinking about like oh well what's missing from this account and it's always the male perspective right like there's no like um complimentary or parallel discourse of men talking about their version of events. I'd love to hear about how Dan is able to avoid a messy divorce by paying his bitch wife a stipend while he shacks up, stay with his new girlfriend. And she has to go on hinge dates to get her wife, her chandelion. How Dan is doing a victory lap because he was cocked and betrayed.

by his like insusient and ungrateful wife, but through the law of carmic retribution actually ended up doing better than her. Well, she's also outright admitting that she wouldn't have survived had she not gotten married. Yeah. Her whole career was built on her coupling with this man.

He clearly has financially supported her still continues to. And her career is completely like tertiary to hit. is. Yeah, but also her main priority in life. And like off the bat, it does seem like a, you know, cruel twist of irony, right? That this married couple founded this like love and sex vertical for the paper of record only to have their marriage fall apart. But then you think about it and you're like, oh, it's not ironic at all because they actually value the status of being writers over like, you know, the spiritual reward and honor of going through life together as lifelong partners. She says when I got. I'm still a writer. he still pays with my health insurance plus a monthly excitement like okay

more than three decades ago I did not want to promise to love my husband until death do us far okay bitch I did want to try Dan was my soulmate was he

and sweetheart and I felt lucky and excited to start a life and family with him but death we hoped was light years away we were 29 and part of me

rebelled against vowing my entire life to monogamous cohabitating partnership I'd lived alone in my 20s and love loved it. I'd always needed private space to fully unfold. I also enjoy dating and sleeping odd

hours. I'm an obsessive thinker and writer. Love or not, I worried marriage might suffocate me. So I told Dan, I couldn't swear to what I couldn't predict. He countered. People won't come to our wedding to hear quote, I'll give it my best shot, but dot, dot, dot, dot. He had a point. I said the vows. We were both right. He and his confidence meet a thing twice. Were you right, though? It seems like only he was right and you were coping. And like the only way that he was wrong was in agreeing to go through with the marriage after you hit him with like a Nicole Kidman eyes wide shut act like you know when she's like forever forever is a strong word I have a whole why why why get married yeah if it's not forever until death do us part to cynically like leach off some man to support

you until you decide you want yourself don't secretly believe in forever until death do us part, why air that publicly? Like, who is this for? You know, as you know, I'm a stoner now, and I've been re-watching eyes wide shut in like small increments for like three to four weeks. And, you know, it's like a really good movie to begin with, but it's better when you're high. Again, I love when things like dovetail neatly.

And people really love eyes wide shut for like the conspiracy theory, masquerade, ball angle and for how sexy Nicole Kidman looks standing in the doorway and her like white plain like hand row yeah it's like tank and panty set yeah and I like it because it's actually not a movie about like conspiracies or elites or the Illuminati at all it's about my favorite topic which is like that life is mundane and people are delusional well it wasn't beloved when it came out Was it like controversial? It was controversial. No, people didn't.

It was thought of as like a very minor Kubrick and people found exactly that it was basically like this very tedious marital drama. Yeah, but that's what I like about it. And like you think about it, eyes wide shut is not really like a romantic drama or a psychological thriller. It's a bourgeois comedy. Mm-hmm.

And, you know, it's a movie about like how women are evil chaotic horrors who shit test men and blow up a good thing. and how men are like clueless, cocked rubs who continue to stand for this. An interesting thing I noticed is if you Google eyes wide shut, one of the first hits you get is this Reddit thread complaining about how weak and annoying Nicole Kidman's performances. And like ordinarily I'm inclined to agree with that because she has a very like provocative and like whimsical and cooing demeanor in the film.

that's like not in line with her character's status as like, you know, a stable like upper middle house wife and mother. Well, she's, doesn't she say in the or the scene where she's dancing with that man at the party, she says that she used to run a gallery, but they went broke. Yes. Yeah.

And I like I generally find that like female mode very grating and irritating. But I actually feel like Nicole Kidman's performance was very solid. for that reason because it's like highly effective in like driving home Kubrick's intention. And like Tom Cruise too also comes off as this like hapless and humorless blowhard, which he probably is in real life. Well, they were also a real couple at the time and Kubrick really, I feel like got in their heads. And there's this one scene where she wakes up from this bad dream kind of like giggling and laughing just as he's coming home from trying to like cheat on her for the millionth time and like failing. And she says like, oh, I had the worst, I had the worst dream.

I was naked and laid out, stretched out in a garden. And there were all these men, all these men. And they were trying, they were fucking me. It was horrible. And he just like hugs her tightly with this tight expression on his face. Well, because he's just come from the orgiastic, uh, cabal, yeah, yeah, meeting. And like, instead of like laughing in her face and being like, shut up, you dumb bitch. And like, my other.

inclination also is to like sympathize with the men who get gamed by these evil chaotic horrors, not because they're men and not because I'm a pick me, but because, you know, generally I tend to be on the side of the wronged party, but like actually when I think about it, I'm not sympathetic to them at all because they did it to themselves. They bring it on themselves by tolerating this type of behavior. Well, in both, both of these articles, op-eds have this very like the times when especially because it's confessional but it's a there's something very like medicated and flat and false about it where she's like cope coping yeah and I think she's definitely on medication she seems like the the register in which she like is just

attempts to neutrally describe these circumstances that are totally fine, but which are actually extremely depressing. A dog and burning building meme, this is fine. It's like, it's giving like lobotomy. Both of these, everyone in both these articles sounds like totally like depressed and detached. And yeah, like literally like they've had a lobotomy. Because they're rich and bored. Like you look at the survey of the people that the woman.

from the cut interviewed and it's like people from all walks of life and it's like oh what was it a therapist a psychiatrist screenwriter journalist form a rattle a style influencer and an on-air fashion correspondent and they all end up doing like writing workshops and writing books about their failed marriage

and they love to use words like renovating and diversifying my attention and affection and like my question is like why is this a legitimate topic of inquiry and what is the use in writing about it and what's the goal? Well it's the real cathedral is kind of like boom boom boomer women who want to for some reason discuss and like very undignified detail the fact that they like have sex yeah which is extremely gross and yeah, are having some prolonged midlife crisis

that they're processing and that is paid for by their consciously uncoupled husbands who are either cucks or actually kind of based and are like just like whatever I don't give a shit

well I think it's much yeah I think it's much easier to so called quiet quit yeah I'm going to get a girlfriend in a house of state and I'll give you a stipend that I won't. The thing about that I also thought of when reading the Times piece was I think right they've separated four years ago post-COVID or a post like lockdown and I really think that

becoming legally separated which might like this guy has a girlfriend she might want to she might want him to commit to her instead of being legally what is this woman he supports financially un officially but should he decide to legally separate from her I feel like

that would be a huge problem and then it's only she's only like satisfied with the arrangement she has because it is this kind of like gray area that she feels comfortable in because she hasn't she's not like an officially

divorced person. Yeah, where she feels like things are unfolding on her own terms. Yeah, but that's not what's going on. Yeah, and like the TLDR is ultimately that like nothing was wrong and nothing happened and no one was cheating or swearing or throwing plates. She says they just grew apart and parted ways after raising their kids and becoming empty nesters. And, you know, again, like the fine print is that they're not even legally divorced for health insurance and taxation reasons. So meaning she can always feel like she's, you know, she can call on him when she's still his wife. For her, yeah.

And like on the whole, this is kind of a non-story, which is like the operative term in that it's like not nearly bad as divorcing when you're still young and have small kids. Mm-hmm. You know, I think it's still selfish and wrong. Well, it's the whole no-fault divorce. Yeah. Right?

That's like people attribute as being like a grave ill. Yeah. seems to hold like not like these articles kind of bolster that argument that you shouldn't be allowed to have a no-fault divorce you shouldn't be allowed to leave your spouse unless they yeah have like seriously wronged you yeah and she's not she never took her marriage seriously to begin with and now she's not even taking her separation separation seriously because it's not even a real divorce and yeah and there's kind there's these she says like sure I worry about dying and aging alone, but women on average live five years longer than, but probably not

separated women. I bet their life expectancy is far lower than women who are married. Well, aren't there studies that show that married people actually live longer on average than single people? Probably. It makes sense. And I think there's statistically like, I think typically if a woman dies first, the man will die not too long after. Or he'll instantly remarry. Usually no. Usually they, if he's young enough. Yeah, but in late, like when people die of a

relative in a relative in older age, like men usually kind of perish shortly after their website. I mean, when my dad died and he was like the youngest of the family, my grandmother died a few months after him and then my grandfather died a few months after her, which is really sad because it's like very sweet and romantic. They went together. Right. I mean, this was also like, the norm. It's like, you know, back in the day in the 40s and 50s, men had a whole other families that women turned a blind eye to.

Yeah. Well, because they didn't have no fault divorce. They couldn't really. And even if the male party was at fault, they were financially dependent to an extent that they, they, like much like this woman in the times

couldn't have left her husband and survived. Yeah. And like she, yeah, she admits that she frets over money more than ever, you know, as you said. But like, again, they have an amical arrangement where he, you know, pays for health insurance and gives her a monthly stipend. She also claims that she felt guilt over the children who obviously, like, naturally were not happy with the separation. But she says that, quote, kids are happier when their parents are happy. Narcissus. Which is so, yeah, it's like so insane and selfish. That is text. That's Alice Miller

problem of the gift of child, textbook, parental narcissism, where the child feels like they have to make you happy when really you're their parent. And you put them into a parentalized role. And,

you know, merely by dating, having them and agreeing to take on this obligation, you have also essentially agreed to sideline your own personal needs and desires and ambitions. You are forcing them. to accommodate your unhappiness by pretending to be happy that you're quote happy.

Of course they're happier that you're not like miserable and seething, but that hardly means anything. She also doesn't seem happy. I know. And like I really don't know what's gay or like coming out that you're gay to your parents or your parents coming out to you that they're separating. I think the second is way worse. It's just gross.

And then she notes that rates. quote gray divorce. I think they should just be honest and call it geriatric divorce like geriatric pregnancy. Couples 50 and older are surging. Numbers for over 65s tripled since the 90s and more than two thirds of all divorces are initiated by women. And then this trend appears again in the other article from the cut. In 1990, the divorce rate was 3.9 divorces per 1,000 married women who were 50 or older by 2008. The divorce rate for this group had risen to 11. In 2023, the divorce rate stabilized among older adults at 10.3. I mean, I can't.

I've only, I've been married seven months. Yeah. You know, so I can't, I don't have a theory of mind. Yeah. Really for what it feels like to be married. Yeah. 20 years, you know. Yeah.

But it seems like at that point, why? Yeah, why even blow it up? I mean, I guess that. was, but I guess that's the point that you quiet quit, but that's just not, that's not the Christian law. That's not how Christians do it. I mean, it's just, it's

weird to even separate or get divorced at that point. And I feel like people being locked in unhappy and unsatisfying marriages is a tale as old as time. And there's dignity in that. Yeah, well, yeah, the only difference is that people

a.k. Women now want to write about it and read about it because they find it novel and interesting because it's relatable to them. I enjoy, here's another quote, I enjoy the romance and sex I found. Yes, even into my 60s, which of course many people turn off to in marriage,

what the writer D.H. Lawrence called, quote, the great cage of our domesticity. And I find that very gross. I find it so gross that these like

medicated boomers are opining about their sex lives. And I think like look okay like why? Relationships and marriages like often just don't work out and you have you feel compelled to leave them for various

reasons. The woman in the cut offers up this disclaimer where she talks about how it's worth noting that none of the current and former marriages discussed here dealt with physical abuse or domestic violence for my sources. So these were like totally like normal vanilla marriages that fell apart because people were like bored and lost. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of yeah. Kind of yeah classic. Very lindy. Yeah.

Uh, where people sort of retreat into their like myopic separate lives. Yeah. don't even really try. There's not, they don't even have the libido to like have enough conflict to divorce. It's this super. And again, I know I've said medicated a bunch of times,

but it does, it really feels that way. Like, yeah, these would not be satisfactory arrangements to someone that wasn't like, um, impaired, uh,

emotionally, psychologically by, pharmaceutical drugs that like allowed them to sustain this level of delusion. Dysenciation and delusion. And I mean, again, it's like her life and her choice. And at this point, it's not really seriously negatively affecting anyone but her. I mean, her husband and her kids were negatively affected, but not as much as she is. It sounds like she and her husband had a mutual.

I mean, who knows? because we don't even get his side of the story. She says they went to a counselor who told them to stick it out and they go said no. And the thing is like, you know, men aren't even allowed to talk about these issues. And even if they were, it wouldn't even occur to them. No. Which is why you have like this whole like burgeoning economy of like, uh, angry insult take sellers on the internet who actually like lack any experience.

Well, here is matters. But they're not entirely. wrong. In the cut article, there's a quote from a man named Ralph Brewer, who heads the global support group called Help for Men. He blames the ever-present loneliness epidemic. More men would step up in their marriages or initiate divorce, brewer deposits if they had more friends to consult and social lives to fall back on. Quote, women talk to their lady friends about their marriage. Men internalize what's going on. Maybe his wife doesn't touch him anymore, so he turns to the internet and gets fed a bunch of misogynistic stuff

like men are kings and should be worshiped and that's like feels so disconnected from what these articles are talking but that doesn't seem like that's the problem is that even true I think I don't think that's true at all inclination to write like substack to your articles It's just boomers like spinning boomer females like spinning their wheels

about their own like myopic unhappiness which they like reframe as happiness Yeah, because they can write about it. But it's like, okay, if you're a writer, why don't you write about anything else? Why don't you write about anything else? You're not a writer. Yeah, right about the Somali fraud crisis.

Yeah. Or about like opera or tango or literally anything. Do you care about your children? Do you care about anything besides like your immediate experience, which you think is so like novel and interesting? Yeah, which it isn't. It's actually extremely sad. Millions of other women before you who just like shut the fuck up and stuck it out.

I don't understand why anyone would end a relatively calm and happy marriage. Well, she hasn't also. If you've come this far and then Dane to write about it unless the priority was always to write about it. She also has not ended her marriage in any way that is meaningful. Yeah, she has like one foot in and one foot out. She has a husband who still supports her financially while she goes on app dates. Yeah, with like. And claims she likes to die alone.

Exactly. Yeah. And even the way she talks about the guys that she's dated, like that passage that you read, um, since she separated from her husband and they all obviously fall short of, of her expectations. Well, she's marriage and cohabitating is off the table. Yeah, but it's like so condescending and demeaning.

Yeah. because it's all also a cope to avoid confronting the fact that she fell short of their expectations too and they weren't having it like she you know she talks about her like the retired cop taught her how to get out of speeding tickets and the engineer installed her chandelier and the sweet man who recently lost a son made her feel good you know about feeling sorry for someone else that wasn't her well she is just such a textbook narcissist did I mention that I also dated an ER doctor and a Hollywood exact she only cares about people in like the utilitarian function they serve in her life or to the extent in the case of her children that she projects them wanting her to be happy yeah she has pays absolutely no mind to like how her actions affect people or what good she serves in other people's lives it's all about other people servicing her yeah it doesn't occur to her that like um oh the closest that you will ever get to happiness is by discarding your own personal needs and desires and service of your spouse and family. Why? Why do these American boomers place such a premium on their personal happiness? It's so misguided.

It's so godless. Every single person in that caught article too, I was like, okay, so they like don't believe in anything. They're completely like a drift. Yeah, well, it's so American. I know that like, you know, I said this to you earlier, but it's like, you know, I feel very bad and guilty about counter signaling America because it's not popular or trendy now, but I was just in Argentina.

It's not that great. It's fine. It's beautiful in Parisian and cultured and European and whatever. But the one thing that I did notice there is that you see a lot of couples. in the street who are like holding hands and engaging in PDA and are really clearly in love and like sexually attracted to each other and are of all ages. So you see a lot of like old people getting handsy with each other in the street because they haven't been like cut out of like life and society. Yeah. And people just have like a different framework that's not like geared to

personal fulfillment. Maybe they're divorced people on hinge days. Maybe they're separated. And receiving a paltry monthly stipend while still being a writer. My identity as a writer is intact. Even though I don't support myself financially, my separated husband who lives up with this girlfriend pays for my whole life. Yeah.

And my held insurance. And she's doing like the Ilhan Omar thing where, you know, she like throws in her lot with like African Americans to do the anti-racism thing. She's doing that for like women of a different economic level or women from previous generations who didn't have the option to leave their husbands because they were financially dependent on them and had to suffer through like real psychological and physical abuse. Which was an actual real thing that happened because realistically, again, she's rich. and bored and probably has like a real estate portfolio and like a stock portfolio that her husband manages for her. I don't know. It's also with these like if you're a writer, why are you getting married to another writer? You know? Like, no, again, I'm not going to get on a high

horse about my marriage, which I haven't been in very long. But one of the things, but one of the things that's nice is that my husband works in a totally different like sphere and goes to work. And so we have we spend time apart. We're not both like writing in the apartment like all day long. Well, you're not locked in competition with one another. Yeah. He goes to work. I have all this time to myself. I'm happy to see him when he comes home. Like that seems sustainable for a long time. And when you're both, like, writing some fucking love column for the times, I could see how you would despise one another. Yeah.

Ugh. Oh, but what I was going to say a while back with the life expectancy thing is that, yeah, men often die shortly after their wife does, but women typically, if their husband dies first, do live on. long because they just have better social systems. They have friends. Men don't really have friends. And like when their wife goes,

there's no point really for them to go on. But women already, even if they don't quiet, quit their marriage, they have like more developed social and interior lives. Yeah, they have hobbies.

They engage in volunteerism. Whereas men bless their hearts, like at least historically have, you know, gone to work, supported their families, their spouse size, then they dip out too. There's no point. This is from the cut article. Still at parties, I hear women hiss their contempt

for their selfish spouses. One middle-aged friend without kids in a decade old dented marriage recently told me she now only travels solo to take much-needed vacations from my annoying husband. Another moved into her daughter's bedroom as soon as 13 left for college. I can watch old

episodes of Broad City. He can look at porn or whatever he does. She said of her husband, she sounded more than fine with the arrangement even gleeful. Some women told me they would hit the road once their kids left the nest. One said she was hyping boarding school in Massachusetts to her only preteen son so she could Thelma and Louise it with her divorced friend. And then she recounts her own experience of how her mother simply stopped talking to her father for a year when she was a kid.

And her dad didn't notice. Yeah. And he didn't notice. Yeah. And this does feel like, Nicole Kidman and Eyes Wide Shutt-esque provocation to get the man to like notice you and do something. And then men have like the converse response where they're like, well, you know, I could sense that she was maybe unhappy or unsatisfied because she was complaining a lot. But she didn't do anything about it.

Like she didn't come up with like a practical utilitarian solution. So it didn't occur to me that the problem was that bad. And then I think like, man, like, okay, yeah, men are. selfish and retarded and boneheads, but God bless them. Because generally speaking, unless they're like in the small minority of like Andrew Huberman dark triad sociopaths, they're just like clueless and well-meaning. And when they're not always well-meaning. No, but when they hurt you, it's like often just like not intentional or calculated.

Yeah. Which is not to say that like they didn't hurt you and that your feelings like don't matter, whatever. But that kind of glee, that like almost erotic, sadistic thrill that like boomettes specifically have at like icing out their husbands and provoking them to action is like so, so like dark and bleak. It's all really, yeah. As we know from the New York Times, two thirds of divorces. are initiated by women. Yeah.

But when a woman just quiet quits, a man won't typically initiate a divorce. They'll just like accept this kind of like low grade resentment. The Cold War. Yeah. Because they, why would they bless their hearts? They're not the ones dipping out.

There's this point that the girl from the cut makes. which I thought was pretty like good and salient though she does like couch it in like a corporate metaphor she says Heather Havriletsky in her book Foreverland calls marriage the world's most impossible endurance challenge but in my mind marriage is not hard it's too easy think about it if you work at the same company for two decades you're incentivized by raises and promotions

you compete with other colleagues for that corner office if you don't perform you get fired conversely engaged couples get rewarded with a pile of wedding gifts is a signing bonus for simply saying, I do. The honeymoon, too, is a vacation hardly earned. Once you're married, no higher up supervises your attitude or tracks your productivity. It's on both of you as co-workers to review your performance. Typically, that type of self-reflection and accountability only comes up when or if you see a couple's therapist.

My husband puts it this way. The job gets more serious and less fun because you're working toward the bigger reward, a life together. what's wrong with that? I mean, it is like so twisted to make it into a workplace. Right, but I mean, what's wrong with the life together? It was working for that. And like, why is the solution always to see a couples therapist? I feel like couples therapy does more damage to relationships than like almost anything

else other than like SSRIs and birth control and whatever women are taking to make them so like disagreeable and unmanageable. I mean sometimes it can be I don't know I haven't done it but I imagine that having like a third party you know it can just give you like the a perspective on you know just how to progress or like it helps you like reframe when you are like settling into some kind of like passive sure but you can just ask your mother who will tell you to shut the fuck up and suck it up and wait she makes this point actually at the end that I actually found the the woman from the cut more sympathetic than the woman from the New York Times I didn't appreciate I found her asides about her own marriage which she's decided not to

quiet quit a little I mean I guess she maybe had to inject some personality into it but I thought I felt it would have been stronger had she but it's also condescending and demeaning like why are you airing your I would never

I would never say yeah I wouldn't write anything about my husband because I respect him so I wouldn't wouldn't be like, you know, I would quiet quip, but I've decided on to or blah, blah, blah. I mean, my feeling about it is like even if your relationship or marriage doesn't work out, where, which like there's a good chance it won't under contemporary conditions, like the dignified and respectful thing to do is to just bow out quietly and not

write about it or publicize it. Speaking of Harlem World, there's that good line from Biggie where he's like, with my wife don't discuss them like you don't discuss your problems with your spouse ever publicly you don't write articles about them no god now it becomes it becomes blatantly glaringly clear that you care less about your family and children the harmony of your hearth than you care about your like professional status for what like and accolades for what how much how much are you getting paid by this failed publication yeah to publish some op-ed that someone's going to read because they want to hear about how unhappy and miserable you are they want to commiserate with you because

they're also miserable bitches or they are like me and reading it to make fun of you on their podcast like they're not no one's there's no reason for you to say any of this. No. Zero. Other than to prove the, um, the point of the worst, most misogynistic incels on Twitter, which is like women have total control of the culture. Do they know?

She sounds like the loser in this situation. It sounds like he's gainfully employed enough to pay her a stipend and like continue his life without having to go through like a liturial. like a litigious divorce. He like existentially spiritually wins in the end. But she's like the cultural winner because she gets to write about it in like a major publication, which is all that she cares about it. It's worth us.

And like obviously this woman is ambitious and selfish and controlling, which like I don't even think she's that ambitious. If she was really ambitious, she would be able to. She would have ambitions outside of herself. Yeah. But what I'm saying is that those things on their. own are not a bad thing. Like,

history was written by ambitious and selfish and controlling individuals. But, like, in her case, to what end that you get to write an article in the New York Times about how you're coping over the failure of your marriage that you initiated? Well, there's never,

yeah, there's never one of these, like, chicks who is, like, an accomplished novelist in her own right, who, like,

has some, body of work that's like outside of herself and decides to like write a confessional thing that's like as a treat you know it's always some chick that's her main identity as being she wrote a book book about her marriage yeah it's crazy that's what I was saying never ever ever do they have some like other like research oriented yeah there's literally never been a woman who's like a successful and accomplished like anthropologist or lawyer or I don't know scientist, politician, anything. Martha Stewart.

Yeah, that's the one. Yeah. She's like the exception that proves the rule. She like had her own, made her own money amazing, you know, created her own brand, went to jail, all of that and never like stooped to the level besides like what she revealed. in that Netflix dog we watch but like yeah she's never done the like book tour

but even she and I love Martha Stewart I think it counts against her ultimately even though I love her like impassioned letters to her soon to be ex-husband but she never did the like

my divorce yeah Martha Stewart but these women's entire identity is like weirdly like ironically centered around their marriage because they have nothing else to talk about.

And even in that, like, paradigm, their marriage is, like, incidental to their experience. I know. Which is their true fally and they can't see that. And, like, no wonder they're unhappy. How'd they get led so astray? I don't know. But the scary thing is, like, you can probably expect more of this as women. get older and now there's going to be like a burgeoning industry of like um women who like never

married or had kids who are going to be writing about their experiences and that's why i don't well i can also foresee i think like the trad wifery trend plateauing and then they're being uh you know like i was duped by return to girl boss yeah a return to girl boss from... Well, did you see the Erica Kirk comments at that conference? Made no sense. Well, it was interesting because, you know, my feeling about it historically... Well, she said, okay, that Mom Donnie gained favor with women because they're unmarried,

because they want the state to serve as a kind of spouse. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, that's probably true on her part. I don't think so. That's a probably reasonable assessment. No, no, no. I think she has her wires completely crossed because women who are like girl bosses who are postponing marriage are not looking for a welfare state to support them. She's like talking about two different things. Well, no, they're not.

Which are like women postpone marriage because they want to focus on their careers. Yeah. But then women who want the state to provide for them are not the same category of people. I think like maybe she means subconsciously, but there was like another commentary from that clip where she talks about how Charlie Kirk plucked her out of the New York City girl boss lifestyle and turned a hoe into a trad wife. And I really to like, he saw her on Bravo's summer house. Yeah. Is that where he saw her?

I really like have to say I don't love when people like mock and roast Erica Kirk given the circumstance. I don't care But That whole line of reasoning Is so crazy and delusional and false Like She's weird as fuck She's a liar

She's a liar He didn't pluck you out of being a girl boss You're still a girl boss You're every In every sense of the world You're a girl boss You're more of a girl boss Now than you ever were

You were making Christian sweatshirts Like she was still You were going on brawb We're on Bravo's summer house. But you know what I'm saying? She's still like locked into the girl boss mindset. She never woke is back. It never left.

She never left the girl boss mind. She was drinking margaritas on reality TV. She is a con woman. She is not a trustworthy character. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care that she's recently widowed. I really don't.

I think she is so creepy. Every time she is making a public appearance, she should not be. She is bombing. And everyone is creeped out by her. I mean, I feel bad for her because she's always going to be under public scrutiny now. And people are going to like... She did it to herself. She doesn't need to be the CEO of Turning Point USA.

She doesn't need to be doing all this. She's doing way too much. Well, what else is she going to be way more quiet. She should be king of her kids. I try to put myself in her shoes and I think about what I would do if my husband was like capped while I had two small children with him. And I would probably like, uh, crawl into a fetal position and try to die, but then get back up again because I had to like raise my children. I wouldn't be wearing my leather pants hugging JD Vance acting like a fucking

freep. Pretending to cry everywhere I go. Well, she's of a different ilk than us because she's like a very prospecting, a manifest destiny like a typical American person who has like a She's a bravo ho. Yeah. No, I know, but she has a, she's bravo tier. She has an alien philosophy to mine. Everything that's going on with Turning Point is Bravo Tier Drama. I mean, everything is. It literally is. But all roads lead to Bravo. She is like,

she couldn't hack it on Summer House. She married Charlie Kirk. This is her moment. She's seizing it. She knows exactly. Like, she's not. I'm not downplaying her mourning and pain. But what I'm saying is like the,

her comments specifically about. how Charlie Kirk saved her from a life of girl bossery are not accurate. In any capacity. No, she doesn't seem like a, like she's been, she's an unwitting kind of, she's been hoisted into this position.

It's totally of her own volition that she is even doing any of this. Yeah. it's not like circumstantial it's not she doesn't need to be the CEO of turning point I mean I get that because I think like you know in in a certain way like what choice does she have more what do you mean yeah the flying ace caramel caramel corn what is this whiskey and green neutral spirit what is that well a way of saying it's not whiskey because it doesn't taste like whiskey well the thing about this particular brand, which like is not sponsoring us.

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I'm chimping about Erica Kirk I'm letting the flying Ace Talk tonight. I'm actually happier doing this because usually I'm the one who's being like a total bitch about other women. I just don't.

No, it's cool. It's actually, you know, you gotta stay I'm not gonna be bullied into like acquiescing. Yeah, like she doesn't. I'm telling you I'm like a street homeless. You literally are. I'm a street homeless. Anna smokes the butt. Like a bum.

Like a total bum. Anyway, what is this propaganda for divorce? Or whatever it is? Well, is it though? Because it's like divorce is like a fact of life now. Is it actually propaganda for divorce? I think it's like retroactive cope. Mm-hmm.

For the fact that you feel guilty but also feel nothing. And don't know how you should feel. And maybe have like a faint awareness. that you should probably care about your husband and children more than you care about your ambitions as a writer? I mean, not to sound like a total trad-cath, but yeah,

it's like you don't have a coherent moral framework for why you do the things in your life. Inevitably, you'll reach a point where, yeah, it all seems kind of unhappy and pointless. I mean, inevitably, life is unhappy and pointless

to some degree, to some extent. But at least if you're Christian, you understand that it's not really about this life and that you exist in like service of something greater. You don't have to realize this, but, you know. I like the anecdote of the woman who was thinking

of leaving her 13 year for a kid marriage when her husband suddenly got diagnosed with stage four pancreatic. cancer. That was so weird. Yeah. She was about to tell him she was going to leave him.

He got cancer. Then he died. So sometimes you don't have to leave your husband because maybe he'll die. And I thought, yeah, at that part, I thought there was going to be like a turn where she was like, and so, you know, and now I miss him so much. And I realize what I had. But nope. She's like, happy he's dead. She's like, car was going to leave him.

I was going to leave him anyway She has a disease Get well soon I was going to leave him Turns out I just had to wait a little longer For him to drop dead With acceptance Gene suddenly won't budge past your hips

Fine Whatever The dash stream of writing a novel Before you turn 50 Add it to the fuck it bucket Our jawline soften into jowls Our parents die Our friends call us to whisper

I have breast cancer Or our relationships gather us too. As a midlife influencer who leads weekend retreats for women over 40, I always say acceptance is not defeat. It can be the first step to change. It can even be the change. That's not a job. Why do you have to be a influencer who guides people through like obvious but unspoken realities

that should probably remain unsaid? What is that? What is that? A midlife influencer? For what? No, it's, I mean, yeah, marriages have go through seasons is the thing. I mean, life goes through seasons. Yeah.

Yeah. But yeah, when you decide to partner with someone, marry someone, you should commit to either dying, to either them watching you die or you watching them die. That's the contract. And if you are unhappy. again, short of like, you know, serious physical, emotional abuse, blah, blah, all of that. They get brain damage to become a different person, whatever. You know, there's circumstances in which I think it probably is appropriate to leave your marriage. But like you're just mocking the institution.

I feel like the funny thing is that when there was reasonable cause to leave your marriage, women didn't have the option to leave their marriage. And like it's funny because you know we were talking about this earlier but like we're still like Brett Weinstein today was talking about whether the sexual revolution had failed which I thought we settled by agreement or Barry Weiss debate. Yeah you knocked out of the park. And it's like why are we still having this conversation in 2025? This is a 2015 conversation. Like obviously feminism failed and the sexual revolution failed and that it didn't really make. anybody any happier. And what it did ultimately was that it amplified already existing problems and also

like didn't give people like a clear out because back in the day you could blame all your problems on like economic and cultural circumstances, which you can't now. Now you just say like, oh, I'm vaguely, ambiently unhappy. So I'm going to blow up my gray marriage or whatever. Well, yeah, I spent Thanksgiving with my in-laws who, contrary to popular belief, are not Indian, but actually heritage Americans. And it's crazy to be in like a multi-generational, like just the drop-off of every generation is so intense. What do you mean the drop-off? you have um i guess they're probably not the great generation but you know like the eldest people

are had like sustained marriages that maybe had unhappy points but were able to like rear you know a beautiful extended family and like you know they were like prosperous and kind of dignified and then the subsequent generation are yeah are more kind of like uh boomer like 60s era there's like some fragmentation but they still have a kind of like um dignity about like they there's like a even in their liberalism there's kind of like a like waspy nice like uh standard and then their kids are all like non-binary like just disaster like Like the cause in and stuff It's like

And it's like That's just one generation between them It's crazy How every heritage American has like a random trans person in their family Yeah dude I'm like couldn't be me But it will be me in like a generation or two Well no because people will just be procreating less

Have less stable family units Like there just won't be the same extended families that still somehow persist now but like those kids are going to have

maybe one kid you know Thanksgiving in 50 years in the same like familial and our gay friends

will be like you know it's going to be us and Jeremy O'Harris and I'll be happy it will be it will be we're going to be breaking bread

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