Red Scare - Justin Trudon't Kill My Vibe

Episode Date: February 22, 2022

The ladies discuss the vibe shift, the Freedom Convoy, and Victoria's Secret hiring its first model with Down Syndrome.

I Just cut that part out Yeah, it's hard it's on our minds, but we can't know I'm okay Yeah, not not at all Emotionally disturbed or anything like that. No, no, I was I'm hormonal today. Me too. Yeah I don't know what it is. It was my birthday yesterday. Yes. Happy birthday. Thank you. Usually we pawed on my birthday I think I've had the last two years. I think I've done one because I do like to

It's a good way to fend off the malaise Yeah, do you always feel kind of sad on your birthday? I guess everybody does. I felt a little melancholic the night before And then my birthday was pretty nice. Mm-hmm. I went to the st. Regis Um And like had a couple people come by and it was just kind of nice. I did like a Marie Antoinette like small and low key Uh, yeah And then today I was yeah crying kind of I was just I don't know But it was I don't think it's related to my birthday necessarily. I'm I'm 31 years old

What 21 what? Did I hear you right which in a way real feels kind of younger than 30 Or okay What you know what I mean? Well, because it feels like I'm in the beginning of my 30s rather than the end of my 20s. I see I see you're kind of like 30s this like kind of Culmination of your 20s. Hey, whatever gets you through the day. I mean whatever I feel

I feel my age, which is a normal a normal age to be I feel fine. I mean a lot of people have been way nicer about my appearance lately on the internet. Mm-hmm Um, I've been getting uh some more positive feedback on the way that I look these days and I do think that is connected to um Me being way less of a huge alcoholic Really, which I was Definitely like a couple years ago. I was definitely like Maddie was like sending me pictures of myself over the years, you know

Like in a malicious way. No She's like, I'm gonna post this one where you can really see your nasolabial folds. No, I was just like, oh, wow I was like really bloated and like kind of yeah, I like didn't look so great And I was like, oh, right because you were drinking all the time And I really just didn't think that it had any correlation with how I looked. I know I know we were so delusional I just really thought I looked that was just how I looked and I was like making the best of it Yeah

And you're just like I'm this is just genetics. I yeah, we were like completely. I mean I look like shit through my whole entire 20s I looked okay. No when I was like 24 And pretty drunk. I still kind of had the I was you could coast off of the Hair cut. What was your haircut like a bob bleach blonde? Yeah, that got me a long way I think when I met you you had the bleach blonde bob Yeah, you must have been 16. Yeah 18 And then like when I was going to Thailand

And you know listeners of the pod might remember the the Thailand arc. I was definitely really drunk Sure, but that was a a weird time because Bangkok is a very nihilistic place. What else is there to do but to walk and drink Yeah, yeah, well work work on the show. I was I was there to work on and But I mean in the interim of but my character is supposed to be like a troubled kind of recovering Victim of sex murder Uh, so it's good that I look like I had a rough life Totally again, whatever

Yeah, whatever the roll tape asks of me. I'm willing. I wish people were nicer to me about my appearance for a Not being an alcoholic. Give me some credit for people say you have a glow up of the no No, I know I know I know but they're they're still every time. Um, you did have a glow. No, no, it's true but every time um somebody like posts a pic of me they're like She's had work done And I know I know there's they mean it in like a flattering way. They mean like she's had a glow up, but I find it no

But there's a baby bottle on the table. I'm just like Autisticly like no god damn it because it's like, you know violating because you love my truth. Yeah, I want the truth And I'm just like this is it true. It's false. It's like Ben Shapiro. It's false. I know I do all I know what you You I do also love the truth. I get really upset. Yeah about the lies when they pile up They really weigh on me. I'm just like on principle. That's all Take to Twitter Instagram stories and be like boom and then I'm just like I know my prince My agent said uh Some of the things that you do based on your principles are starting to have professional consequences. Are they now?

They may be probably I'm sure they are but that's why they they're principles, you know, is that they they have consequences Otherwise anyone would have them And whatever gets me through the day Um, anyway, anyway, we won't get into we won't get into all of that. Why my career is fine. Everybody. Don't worry Yeah, it's You'd be surprised. I'm always surprised by What people get mad at and what they let slide like it is really actually it's it's a wonderful and beautiful thing because it is somewhat arbitrary Yeah, well this ties in nicely with the vibe shift. Maybe which we'll get to. Oh, yeah, there's a vibe shift a brewing

I think it happened already And that there's been a delay and reporting on it Um, but in a way in a way the reportage kind of yes immense a thing and now we're keeping it Kind of yes immense a thing and no or kills it. Well now then, you know, we need a whole new vibe. Yeah Vibes were off. Yeah over the summer Which we talked about on the on this podcast and now there's a shift Yeah, so we can let's talk about the shift. Should I open my presence? Oh, yeah

We can do the the annual dasha unboxing to kill some time because you know, we were talking about maybe talking about the kanya documentary But I think it's frankly good that we're taking a break from talking about kanya. Yeah, and I think it's in like six parts Like everything. Yeah, which is annoying Okay Um, so there's a bottle of riga gold sprouts, which is my favorite brand of I bet it's you think it's soybean oil. It's rapeseed oil. That's like the worst one canola Well, you know what? Hey, you gotta live, right? And I think if the omega-6 and the omega-3s well, as somebody said to me today, I like to keep my immune system guessing

by Bug chasing. Yeah by by uh mixing those omega-3s up with the Seed oils. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Is are these knee-high socks? Um, are they're normal lengths? I don't know. They're knee-high ish. They're long. They're long. Yeah classic. Thank you. I love them Um Oh, they're they're very cute. I love them. Thank you. They're kind of cable man. Welcome. Yeah, Aaron Yeah, they're not a full knee, but they're nice. They're nice. Hi. Yeah. Yeah

I invented wearing long socks. I see a lot of girls Do you know, but I think I really put put it on the map put them on the map. Yeah So people do be acting like that when they're like, oh, she's just doing a dash it thing. I'm like, that's just a girl wearing knee-high socks I'm like that can't it's not my thing. I just assumed um A american apparel invented. Yeah, they basically kind of went they went by they went by high. Yeah right um Great job wrapping maddie got me a chess set. Okay from bellerou's

Uh-huh from the 80s That's really gorgeous Beautiful and it's like plastic but really well designed weird pieces and like is it like a board is really nice or the pieces like avancard Or okay, a little a bit a bit and that's soviet Did she get it from my that west village chess shop chess show? I think she got it on at syria ebay or something But it was very thoughtful. I was very moved. There's a really cute shop in the west village That's like a chess shop that has like different types of chess. I've seen it and they give lessons

That's cool. If you want to like bone up your I think I know what this is. This is a pack of sk2 masks I can tell without even Opening it all the way. Oh my god. Thank you I had such a hard time wrapping that because 10 masks 10 masks. Oh, and I thank you Um, but I need more of these. I have to say the packaging is very annoying because it gets your grubby fingerprints all over it And I had to use one of those like um, microfiber cloths for computers or sunglasses. So my fucking gross You're such a diligent rapper. I love wrapping. I know you are good at wrapping That's because I grew up in such a chaotic and dysfunctional home where there was no order

so, uh I uh I'm I'm pleasure. I'm unwrapping very carefully too because usually I like to rip stuff apart like a little wreck Usually I tear those real real boxes right Um, the real vibe shift was me it being my birthday Pisces season Pisces season. Yeah Does this count as ASMR is it really annoying? It must be really annoying for listeners This is what we do here. This is what we do

Oh What is this sometimes it's um called hydraulic acid gift set of acid creams and serums from the drunken elephant. Wow. Thank you Oh, it's got you know, it's got the baby facial in there Because I know that that's a brand uh You love so much you even shoplifted. I know Yeah, I really did I really did

And they also when I was doing my little my pr stint mailed me stuff and I was like wow Nice, like how far I've come from getting some in the back room of a Sephora talking to a security guard So just getting it for free There's that they just give it to you if you hire a publicist. I know the five finger discount They're real discount. They don't tell you about how it's beautiful. Thank you Anna. Of course great. Great work. Happy birthday Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for all the well wishers online and whatnot And thanks for not talking about how bubbly and bloated I am I promise I'm working really hard to be uh hot

It's the only thing worth doing. Oh, yeah, I think it kind of I don't mean that in like a vein or vapid way. I think like, uh Self-improvement is one of the more noble Uh in all in all ways. Yeah. Yeah, but like especially being hot because it has it will uh You know have repercussions in your life. Well, it pays dividends in every single way. Yeah Yeah, just like the amount of pride that you feel when you Like uh lose weight due to not eating seed oils for example, which is by the way not what happened to me. I didn't like Actively avoid seed oils. I think there's many ways to do it. I saw that. Do you think we'll ever stop talking about seed oils? You think it's here to where it's just the new the new way. Yeah, it's our new really annoying bit

No, I actually I was just thinking about this because people were like uh doubling down on the seed oil discourse, which I find deeply annoying A bank saying they're not that bad for you. No, no saying that they are about people just like fighting Yeah, I got caught up in some of that. I feel like Obesity is such a multi-factor problem. Like it's literally like the bulk of the bulk. No pun intended is due to like caloric overconsumption and like sedentary lifestyle Which makes you prone to the kind of diseases that seed oils and like uh refined sugars and processed carbs Well food deserts are also a real thing where people just live in places where they actually can't get anything without seed oils in it Yeah, you know

Like eat gas station food. I mean look Riga gold is drenched in seed oils and soaked in them. I'll dry them out And it's one of the you just like wash them and you're just saying. No, I'm gonna gobble them up good I wonder if that's why they give me heartburn I think that's just literally that's That's just being over 30. No, but it's sprat specifically. They give you the heart heartburn. Okay That's interesting, but I don't know whatever that specifically it's all that rapes. It might be the raping your mitochondria Anyway, I'm gonna stop them that people don't like it when we talk about seed oils as I do. I can't tell

uh it just Someone yeah, someone was telling me like I was like Why do you think everyone's ugly and retarded if they're not? It's not the seed oils, you know and someone was like, uh, blah. I wasn't even reading They had some they were like Uh, people have always been ugly and retarded. I was like, it just feels true. It just does I think people have always been ugly and retarded, but they're ugly and retarded in a very specific way now

which is like They're like they look like wet diapers and they think like wet diapers like they're mushy and pat from snl like Yeah, and like androgenic in a not deliberate way not in a angular Yeah Model-esque way. I mean, I'm sure there were plenty of ugly and retarded people running around during the medieval times Yeah, well they were malnourished too. It's called cretinism What? Oh like cretin cretin. Yeah. Yeah It's a condition that comes from like malnourishment, but also being poor

But also just being like, you know cretins were really prevalent and they kind of are now again. Yeah. Yeah, they're back That's the real vibe. They're cretin. The real vibe shift is cretin. I said everyone's ugly and retarded Due to some combo of like microplastics and xenoestrogens It's true I'm like Not to be a total Ben Shapiro again But I'm also like shocked at people's like basic inability to like reason like basic critical. I know I know is on the decline I mean, yeah, or just intuitive reasoning is

Yeah way where yeah like people just like uh Make inferences that Don't exist You know, they'll take a purely neutral statement and like infer a lot of stuff depending on what side they're on and it's just like crazy To me my my head reels. What do you mean? like Well, there's all these bogus studies, you know, right they're like

Done locally and then expanded globally or like use really small focus groups Like the one we talked about about how people are more attracted to men wearing surgical masks now and it was like Talked like 20 women in some random place like And then the guardian prince said as if it's the news Yeah, that's I remember. So there's just there is just tons of Misinfo out there That people used to bolster their little like, you know world world views Yeah, and like live in their ideology ghettos, but people are like, I don't know. Maybe that's like, you know

We're also inferring this from like the little liberal bubble that we're in but I think you're on to something. I saw gallows poll that Uh said that like almost a quarter of Gen Z or zoomers identify as LGBT Yeah, that's like Which is just social contagion. Of course. It's like how more people are identifying as Native American than ever before. Is that true? Oh, yeah, well that is that I don't think is even social contagion. That's just like pure opportunism because I mean

It's advantageous for zoomers to have some kind of, you know, marginalized identity based on, you know, how they've perceived Yeah, how else are you gonna get a job as a barista? Yeah, also, am I crazy or like non-binary people like uniquely bad at making coffee? They are I haven't noticed that no, but I go to Starbucks and stuff which is and I make my own coffee at home. Oh, you do Wait, how do you do that? I have your secret percolator

Oh, the fuck is that? It's like one of those like it's like a European thing that you put on your stove and you put the Espresso in the bottom and the water percolates up and then It's totally, I like it. I need to start doing that. Yeah, I have a milk frother The fuck? Well, because I like the nice foamy latte But it's a habit that gets expensive and also you're literally waiting in line for like 20 minutes because it takes some non-binary person That long to make a latte And I'm just saying I just think maybe the barista's aren't as

Uh, I don't know. I was a barista briefly and I was really bad at it But that's why I didn't pursue it Did you have you had to like brew lattes? Yeah. Yeah, and I made them really sloppy I was never cleaning the milk thing and just using like old milk and it was yeah It's it was a hard job. It was a cafe. It wasn't just a coffee shop. It was also like a restaurant So it was also like bus like bussing tables and oh, right. It was like, whatever My favorite not my job barista is like A middle-aged gen X white man who plays chamber music and just like another thing that white men are superior at

is making Yeah, yeah, yeah writing screenplays writing Working in Hollywood Managing other people's careers and other people's careers Um, running the stock writing code writing code. I've heard from Some of them I don't I hear that some there's some bad code being written due to uh more uh, kind of inclusive Yeah, hiring practices or whatever. I can see that. They're just writing the worst code you've ever seen

Anyway, damn I haven't even touched my wine. Oh, wow, I've had a and we've already said so many objectionable things I know, I know Somebody also told me today that he's never met a woman who's good at writing code Uh, there I believe it. It seems really I wouldn't even know where to begin I think I will say my sister is probably good at writing code I can't say for sure because I don't know anything about coding Yeah, she's a coder She's not a coder. She's a ux designer, but she's definitely coded in her life and she's very diligent

Um, she is quite diligent. Yeah, that's true But she's the one that it's like that giordia and mimesis principle again This is why I'm so good at wrapping gifts because I was copying my sister because she's so good at it And I was covetous of her skills Even though it's a relatively useless skill to have but I'm pretty sure she's good at code, but she's not like your average woman Yeah Yeah, she's very male brain. I mean There's an n beyond billions. That's like a great coder

That's a television show Basically, so basically all the women that are good at writing code were born men. Mm-hmm Just saying that yeah, we can fact check that but we can get we can fact check that word First we have to figure out it means to be good at writing code. Yeah, which is gonna take us a while So we'll get back to that to you on css python. I don't know job Things mean java script anyone I wish somebody would like actually I don't I was gonna say I wish somebody would DM us and explain the difference between all these coding languages and I was like no, no, no

No, no, no, no, you don't want that at all Um, anyway, she's also like very hot in here. Is it? Yeah, I feel like a little hormonal and delirious Yeah, I guess I could take my sweater off But you want to or you want to crack a window? I'm gonna I'm gonna lower the heat Okay, and Dasha's now stripping and she's wearing a lacy camisole. It's my birthday time. It's cute It's Anna sweet. Oh, it's very rock collection. I do really f with the rock collection I might wear a bra collection dress to the sag awards. Nice, but I might how's how's the sizing of bra collection Pretty good. Is it true to size?

Um, yeah, no, it's not vanity size. Okay, if that's what you're good to know. Yeah, it's Fairly true to size, but I my favorite bra collection dress is kind of stretchy I see it's definitely like a very small size. Nice. I've just always like tempted to Hit that purchase button, but I high price. Yeah Yeah, well the real real then you can make some returns. That's true So Anyway, the vibe shift, right, right. There was an article in the cut

Yes, about the vibe shift. Yes, that was sort of um Summarizing an article Sean monahan wrote I thought he just gave an interview. Oh, he wrote a sub stack He wrote a sub stack like six months ago That's what all journalism is now. It's like summarizing sub stack articles from six months ago Yeah, so they they did interview him vaguely for it. Yeah, but um The article was not particularly illuminating As to what the vibe shift really was it sort of had the feel of that freddy piece

about us and alex jones where it was just kind of like there's ambiguous like forces at play and Zoomers wearing wear von dutch hats now Oh, and we can't figure out why there's been this reactionary like I don't know turn well Is that what you think it's that's how I kind of interpreted it is that that young people are

you know in addition to sort of Ape being a nostalgia around the early aughts uh That they're also like kind of becoming more Reactionary or whatever you want to call it um And that that has for me this article doesn't really say this but I kind of Predicted that something like this would this vibe shift would occur

due to like the culture wars of the 90s Which gave us like the culture of the early aughts, which was very kind of um Uh much more promiscuous I think than the current vibe, but it was kind of dauntless and like uh Like you know the golden era of like south park and like m&m and stuff and there was just there became a lot of like Permissive. Yeah permissiveness around like naughtiness I think due to the fatigue of the culture wars of the 90s and now it's just this more kind of And people so zoomers are returning to that as sort of the thesis of the argument without stating it

I mean vibes vibes by nature are kind of ineffable and intangible and you can't Quantify them Well remember when I got into affect theory? Yes vaguely That was uh a quarantine project of mine was to Figure out what affect theory is and that's basically it's just describing vibe. It's just creating like Uh academic language around like describing vibes. Yeah, but that's why people become like trend forecasters because It's a great job because it's a real thing. Yeah, it's like being a diversity consultant. Like you just Make money. Yeah off of bullshitting people

Yeah, but also not also like being a psychic you say a couple of things that are like plausible and and Get close to home. Yeah, but there's no way of you know, you can't like do a study on vibes or fact check vibes You can't you just get yeah, you're getting paid for a kind of Talent of yeah a talent that much like vibes is hard to Pin down. Yeah, but I also think like the you're trading an affect really you're like Creating a speculative marker around your ability to you're an affect peddler. Yes affect Exactly But yeah, I also think like

The even simpler explanation is that zoomers Came of age in the period immediately after the early aughts because they were born in the early aughts And nostalgia is always right like a feeling of longing for something that you were Too young to fully experience. Yeah, like people My age I remember were like very nostalgic for like nirvana and Kurt Cobain and like I was a little too young Yeah to be aware enough to like listen to nirvana totally in any conscious way Yeah Yeah, that's kind of what it is like all the kind of true religion rocket dog

Vaughn dutch low, which I've noticed a lot of that by the way In dime square like the low slung Flair jeans. Yeah that are very whiskered washed and distressed Kyle Brown and Zanz Brady are really doing doing that. Yeah aesthetic. They're to blame There Kyle's been wearing like Vaughn dutch hats forever. Yeah, for a bit. Yeah, he's sort of was on the on the precipice of this Yeah, and I guess it's kind of like counter revolutionary and maybe like pseudo conservative. Well, there was a Manhattan art review uh had a

narrative discursive tweet that said that the That the vibe shift was uh could be attributed to peter teal Funding all the micro celebrities downtown And then some total schizoid. I shouldn't even be saying this because they'll probably murder me mute that conversation No, go on. Go on. No, like on r red. I was like, of course if you just follow the money and like Yeah And he's like Maddie's dad is like a tech

Silicon Valley guy, which he so just is not though. Um, yeah, just yeah, like paranoiac kind of But yeah, this idea Yeah, yeah that teal would give money to like episode these retards retarded zoomers to To fund a reality show pilot to make schizoid mean And wear low-slogan jeans Yeah, I really just just not account for um

And the tweet I assume was partly ingest because I don't think anyone really thinks that's how anything works And people are so like oversensitive about peter teal like this reporter got in touch with me and I was like, can you comment on peter teal and da da da and I was just like I wish I I wish I was gutsy and bold enough to do the tim dill and thing and just be rude and and uh Uh Publish the exchange. Yeah, but I'm so cocked and agreeable IRL I was like think like, you know, like I hate when people like can you weigh in on this? Like are you it's like peter teal is a volume investor?

I mean he has tons of money and he throws it He's like flinging shit at a wall hoping something sticks. He has his hand in all sort of Ventures yeah Like he's not trying to foment A dime square revolution. There's so much funding the likes of us Yeah, and also. Yeah. Yeah, he can't afford us at this point because he would have to match our salaries He could afford it. No, he could afford us, but there's

He could afford us, but Mr. Zeal if you listen No, no, I don't want to be bought. I like being an independent journalist like michael chasey Yeah, those are the only Journalists it's us and michael chasey and correct what i mean by all the honest people There's no value proposition for him affording us. We couldn't do anything for him. Yeah. Yeah, or the yeah I guess the idea is that we're like, you know in spreading some trad like, you know neophagistic idea But that's literally not even what we're doing and by us. I mean this whole like

Millionsly Associated scene of people who are just it's like no don't follow the money follow the friendship people just know each other and you People literally just know each other. Yeah people who like comment On like twitter and reddit are so out of touch and live in such a like Weird internet world where they literally think people are like contrarian iRL or like Conservative iRL it doesn't occur to them that like if you live in New York You just after a while get to know everybody because you're like hanging out in the neighborhood And some people are concerned, you know a lot of those people are you know, I think young people at least

In the milieu that this is describing Are more conservative. Well, they are and that's a good thing. You're that's actually true uh Yeah, which makes sense because The dominant ideology is you know, liberal democracy Uh, and we can all see how that's sort of panned out with the trucker protests with the trucker exactly I was just but no, but I was like reading this article and she was like identifying like the three stages of Vibe shift according to sean monahan. Yeah, which is like

The post recession hipster like williamsburg Waxed beard and nautical tattoo Like grizzly bear chairlift aesthetic. Yeah Then there was the post-internet like arty veer camp brad tremel Beverly's bar aesthetic Everything shift the theater shifted to the lower east side And then now then there was the hype beast woke aesthetic That I personally was less a part of and now there's this new like

True religion von dutch like early aughts transgression And thing happening in the sleeves is what they call it. It's being referred to and which is yeah harkens back to Kind of the cobra snake era. Yeah, like the american apparel the messy chicks with the yeah You see how we're like floundering to describe this by just naming things that correspond to our association of the vibe but that's like all it is is that the Millennials who were the taste makers during those first two vibes and we're kind of slipping in that last vibe are like No longer young. They're old and they're out of touch

yes Like us like us. I include us. Yeah. Yeah, they're not taste makers anymore On like a cultural level. Yeah, I mean They have influence Yeah, they have money and influence. So now their job is to like desperately try to explain and quantify These vibes so that they could gatekeep and monetize them Because the young people are too confused and retarded To fully take advantage except for a few industrious types to take advantage of

Of there like It's just not how it works. Yeah, I think I think they just They just I mean they are like living in the moment. They're not they can't they're not gatekeeping. Yeah Really because they just can't because they're too young Yeah, and they don't give a shit and they're like too busy like Getting drunk and having sex and whatever or not having sex or not having sex. Yeah, they kind of I don't know But I feel like this that whole article it felt like kind of like an elder millennial death grown

It did and that like that sentence we're like that that she nested in there about how she spent the entirety of the pandemic On her couch wearing uggs and gobbling anti-depressants Sad it was depressing. Yeah, and I was like bitch. I had a baby and lost the weight No, but like yeah, yeah, that's on you Um, yeah, I definitely did not do that Yeah, like you like made a movie Kind of yeah, yeah And I got very lucky

Acting in a show has worked really hard, yeah I don't think it's luck. I think it's like personal decision-making in industry But I feel like a lot of these like kind of elder millennials I was just like thinking about this like people who haven't Secured any sort of future legacy for themselves Are really feeling kind of pressed and I say that in a very sympathetic way. I'm not like Being morally superior or trying to condescend or one-up anybody, but like They spent the best years of their lives like

Working in media Mm-hmm. Yeah, which is a failing institution. Yeah, and now they're doomed to like summarize sub-stack articles Right Yeah, well there was Dean Kisick was posting about this and Allison Peary texted me about it and jealous is um And jealous is a sub-stack that apparently wasn't really cited in the article that is sort of Articulates With more clarity what the vibe shift is and maybe pinpointed it. I've read it on occasion, but I really I am out of you know, I'm out of touch

I'm you know, 31 years old Yeah I just don't Um, I just don't have you know, I don't have time. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean you're 31 in Leia's 30 and like I've known both of you since you're like I've known Leia even longer than I've known you Yeah, but it just like create it's crazy because it reminds you just how like long life is Full of ebbs and flows

Isn't that always how it is? And that's the other thing that I objected to in this article when they describe this kind of current vibe shift as kind of A feeling more like do me and nihilistic I don't think that's what it is at all. It feels much more like a sign of life I think so too. Yeah Like it's hedonistic for sure But Aspects of it are

Eli, what do you think about the vibe shift? He thinks it's real. He thinks it's real. Yeah We think it's real No, don't bother. Yeah, you shouldn't mention read the cut Um I read it twice because I really was trying to understand it Oh Sorry, Len. The other the other thing that I was thinking Um about was he said that you know one day everyone was wearing like red wings and the the next day

They were wearing Nike freeze. Yeah, like I liked what sam chris had to say how the vibe shift is like medieval And it's like we're going back to like hardcore christianity and like choral music I mean, I think he was just joking, but the shoes of the vibe shift are Uggs and clarks originals Clarks and uggs originals. No, like, you know, like the chuka boots. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I I noticed like I don't know like six months ago that essence was selling a lot of clarks originals, which are Shoes that stupid little wiggers wore when I was a teenager like the wallaby because like ghost face killer was into them And now they're coming back and I see like hot girls wearing them around dime square all the time. Yeah. Yeah

And it's like they that it really does like kind of line up nicely with what sam christ was saying because they're like They remind me of those like russian peasant lepti lepti. They're called like, you know, like the russian shoes of the peasantry with the pointy No, I don't know. They're like I don't know they're like boots with like A kind of woven bottom. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah to like trek miles And that's how you feel about the the eggs

Yeah, because they're like peasant shoes and clarks they're like beige they look like they're made out of like Uh, kind of primordial materials because they're like suede or right, right, right. Yeah It's a there is a you know as returned to a sort of serf dome Everybody's right because we're we actually all are teal serfs exactly So that's how we identify we don't identify each other um

With our shearling shoes Yeah, but like mark my word those shoes are going to be like all over the place In the coming months. Maybe not in the summer. You've been vindicated before. Yeah. Yeah I'm like a good fashion trend forecaster because I'm such a fashion victim. Yeah. Yeah Um, anyway, but also I think zoomers are becoming increasingly religious Yeah, which has been happening for a bit. That makes sense. I get I don't know are they I think so. I think there there's I don't know I am

Amongst the young people that I know Which obviously is a kind of a self-selected group. Um, there does seem to be a longing for a kind of like Like rigorousness and spirituality and Morality that was you know lacking probably in the in the Generation they were brought up and you know, but it's all we're all really just talking about in new york Right. I mean, I think has which does influence They're you know, the rest of the world obviously, but yeah, but I think in LA. I was like I'm not I wasn't wearing

sneakers. I was wearing like flip-flops and like You know what I love? I mean, I lived in LA for most of my 20s or on the west coast at least and I LA doesn't really feel as like uh vulnerable to vibe vibe shifts Because it's so kind of uh spread out and amorphous and you kind of just I don't know it feels More time timeless. I think like the the scenes in LA are probably like more siloed like there's like the um rick owens like drape goth type people and then there's like the um wide brim hat

Like cafe gratitude. Yeah bowl moms and I guess I was just like a really marginal person who was wearing flip-flops and not Not doing either of those things, but no, but that's the other thing like that, you know, like when you Haven't secured your future you're doomed to analyze trends I mean, I didn't care about trends when I hadn't secured my future either And I look at poor Eli who's never cared about trends The day in his life because he's like a cranky old capricorn And he's just like, you know sits above the fray like some kind of old toad. Yeah I

I don't know if I've ever really cared about trends Yeah, because you probably had some like I don't know. Maybe I'm being too charitable, but it seems like you had like a An inner world I had yeah, definitely and even when you were like being um A bloated alcoholic Ah, you were you know focused? Yeah, I know no in word in some way Sure. Yeah, definitely

Um, yeah, I had sighed self-respect No, I didn't seem seem like it But no, but it's like I had a yeah, yeah a soundness of of mind even at my right craziest And I mean probably like if you want to be like uncharitable you can chocolate up to the fact that you were like an immigrant and All of this seemed like stupid and indulgent to you I definitely had my run-ins with like gay and stupid fashion trends like wearing fedoras and studded items and stuff like that But how old were you in that fedora pick? You were like 20

21 Yeah Yeah Like I think I had like probably like just left home or it was about to leave home. Yeah I I was just such a Pisces, right? So I know I had an undercut when I was like 19, but it wasn't particularly trendy Yeah, I mean, I think we all dabbled in like embarrassing fashion trends, but to like Analyze vibe shifts when you're an elder millennial for the cut

Is troubling and depressing and I know it's just like another content. Yeah Thing it's like a content grab, but then I wonder like why are you doing this like you either actually care about it on some minor level or you don't care about it At all and it's just your job, but either way It's a fruitless and thankless activity that you shouldn't partake in Yeah, and you should really consider doing something more productive with your life than like wearing uggs on the couch and gobbling anti-depressants. I don't mean to like be a bitch to this chick

Be a bitch to this chick. Mm-hmm. But I mean think of all the people Of our generation like you're a little younger than me, but We're still in the same like vague generational slot. We're just gonna be like we're millennials. Yeah, we're millennials I'm like a peak millennial. Yeah, and I'm like a geriatric millennial but Yeah, like I just think of all the people who haven't like ever done anything meaningful in their lives. Yeah, and are like I don't know like Totally directionless still. Yeah

And that's just like depressing Yeah, well, maybe not everyone's meant to do something meaningful with their lives. Well, yeah, that's That's for sure. You know, I don't know But I mean it's like you have to like you have to generate meaning somehow. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don't mean meaningful like Like yeah high achieving or yes, I don't I actually don't like at all subscribe to that model. Yeah No, there's I know it's just there's a lot of vagueness Yeah, and I think statistically like This is another like good example of like when I was like coming down on people for not being able to

Think critically and for making wild inferences like when people say like we're trad or like specifically untrad They have in their heads that I prescribe to everyone that they should get married and have children even though I'm a total hypocrite who's like You know Had a baby at a wedlock and that's not at all what I'm saying. I'm not making like a prescriptive Assessment because I would never do that. What I'm saying is that statistically historically most people Have been you know, if not happy because none of us will ever be like fully happy just as all of us It's not really the goal. I alone in one way or another

Yeah, what I'm saying is that like statistically historically most people are better off When they do kind of the normie standard thing Have a baby Not necessarily but like yeah, have kids get married like do the normal thing most people perhaps you are not most people because you are uniquely talented

And have you know the willpower and vision to distinguish yourself in your chosen field But statistically you're probably not Statistically you're probably not so you have to be very honest with yourself Like who you are and what you're about. I know but we didn't have anything meaningful in our lives before we started our podcast We were floundering Yeah, I mean like I've said this to you for bad We were yeah, um, I'm a lifelong underachiever and alcoholic. Even now I'm a

Underachiever and I'm having a glass of wine so I might be slipping back into the alcohol. It's okay Uh, even my dad was an underachiever might sound crazy to say because he was like a world famous mathematician But knowing him I think that he could have done a lot more with his life than he ended up doing Which is like in some sense the great tragedy of his life. Why do you think he didn't? Because he wasn't just he was lazy really or because he had fear. No, he was I don't think any underachiever is actually lazy I think that he was um a person who was very conflicted and tortured and he rationalized it as like You know having principles and not selling out and that sort of thing. Yeah, which I can relate to but like that said

Even when I was like young and confused and wearing a fedora I always in my own way like struggled To attain Normalcy and meaning in my life Like it was always like a goal in the background of my mind because not trying is worse and Trying and like face planting Yeah, like the thought of being 50 or 60 and living with certain regrets Whether you're roommates

It's so terrifying. Did your headpiece fall out? Sorry, am I being too um, no, no, no, no, no. I I hear you I it's just associating normalcy with meaning No, I mean those two values separately. I don't think normalcy equals meaning is But you yeah, you did you did both, but you're not normal Anna. Well, no, you're a podcaster. I'm a podcaster And I have a mustache

I mean You kind of do I've had laser hair removal. Oh, sorry. I'm gonna Do you have to pee just as I was giving my heartfelt Peter Sony entire right? No, I don't it's fine So wait, so wait, did you laser hair remove your mustache? Yeah, I got laser hair removal on my mustache. Damn That's like some Rihanna Pisces shit because that hurts, you know, I don't hurt that bad It's the it's like this area is very sensitive. It's just a couple zaps. It hurts way less than getting it Threaded or waxed or oh nice. Okay. It's really not that bad and it's it doesn't take that long I try well at the height of the pandemic

While this bitch was busy sitting on the couch and her uggs gobbling down anti-depressants I tried to get my mustache lasered and they said no because I had to wear the mask over my Mouth and nose. Yeah, that's so motivated. I'll try to get it lasered because during the pandemic I had to do a lot of upkeep And I was like This is just not tenable. I wish I could go somewhere. It's the vibe shift really about how Covey's OV I think is COVID over it is no cancel culture is kind of I think it is and we can get to this with the trucker thing because Like the way that

The Trudeau gov responded to the freedom convoy is kind of a definitive statement on that but I think yeah, it's about that and I think like a lot of people as awful as the sounds were relieved When the pandemic Happened and the lockdown happened Because like, you know, like as this woman mentions in this article like for the first time ever she didn't You know have FOMO or suffer from a sense of failure because it seemed like everybody's life was on pause

Right, right. And now that people are getting vibing again. Yeah She's having our time Yeah, processing those vibrations, which she basically, you know, the piece is really just by she's getting old Right, but that's and you know, we're all getting old. Yeah and unless like, you know Unless you're like Fully integrated or working toward being fully integrated Getting old is rough. I mean getting old is rough either way, but you gain wisdom

Yeah, but not if you suffer from the cog dis, you know Yeah, that's true That's true. Like that's you have to like really work toward, you know, r.i.p. Joan did in she was, you know, a vibe reporter. Yeah when she wrote like slouching towards Bethlehem and she was in her, you know 30 late 30s at that point mid 30s, whatever and I think with, you know, her wisdom her lack of like investment in Cloud or you know, she wasn't she really was trying to like report on

To codify on a vibe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and had the had sort of the chops and the insights to do it Um, but that's because she wasn't she didn't have I don't think Joan didians ever had FOMO in her life. No Well, I really don't think she has I feel like such a fag in a cock for saying this because the two things the two purchases I most regret in my life are um $4 a month to Ben Shapiro's with daily Wire. Yeah daily wire. I would get it mixed up with the daily caller Um, I like it because now I get a mix because I get so many because when I was a Bernie Sanders supporter

I got on all these mailing lists for all these like loose annoying like democrat like emails that are literally like we will register blah blah blah. We'll send you a like a mask a mask pouch That says vaccinated and ready to vote or whatever. It's like the dumbest the worst shit I've ever seen but now I get all this like bonkers conservative shit because I subscribe to the daily wire But it's even worse. It's even worse. I'm like coming a real leftist now because I'm just like these people are worse They're like their vibes are really off. It's like, oh, I humbly request that you read this email. No That's how the lives are too though. They're like, please don't delete. Please like they litter the subjects like please don't delete

And sometimes I open it. I'm like, ah, it's just another fucking move on dot org Panhandlers like, oh, you know decency. I know What kind of sick they act like raved person fucking only fans girls with like venmo in their bio Please please you are a strong conservative white man. Stand tall. Hold your chin up If you care about abortion open this email and it's like could be either of them. Yeah, no, it's it's literally Yeah, um, but and then the other um purchase I really regret is um 1999 a month for Netflix because I bought it because I wanted to watch the Joan Diddy and doc because I got so into Joan Diddy and in the past couple of months Well, now you can watch the yay doc and I need to use your login. Yeah, of course

Because you know, I also 1999 a month for hd And I thought, you know, Anna, you're a big girl. Mm-hmm. You're a mother Mm-hmm. Yeah a career woman You are no longer going to be a panhandler And pathetically ask lay and emily for a login from some jewish guy that emily made out at a bar with In 2013 or some shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah But anyways, so I will watch the yay doc

But the the Joan Diddy and doc was really bad because it was made by like her nephew And it was kind of like scattered and like unfocused But the one thing that stuck out at me from watching that doc I was like, oh my god, like all these like lit e-girls who hold her up to be the paragon of like boat neck And dark shades coolness would literally not like her if they met her in person They would think she's like weird and awkward But more over she's introverted

She's like on some intj shit She I was watching the doc and I was like, who is this like weird and awkward and unpleasant woman? And I say that with love because yeah Yeah Love her. Yeah, I love her. Love her to death anorexic. Yeah, never talks about it. And no, and that's the other crazy thing where she's like Oh, we adopted kintana rude because we couldn't have children And it's like You know why you know why you know why it's like the Kanye thing too that like nobody will talk about right

Which is like, you know, I was thinking like he really is a modern day like tragic hero He's like the stuff of greek tragedy Because he's trying to restore like these noble and decent values Like the love of family and like the love of god but He literally is blind to the fact that doing it on social media in full view of like the online chorus is So like negating of his whole enterprise. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And also The most like greek tragedy thing of all he literally had a hand in killing his mother

Because he paid for her plastic surgery. We gotta watch the doc. We gotta watch the doc. Yeah, we'll watch the doc But like and I feel like his eternal punishment is like no He's doomed to atone for himself forever by making shitty art about his mother I like Donda Donda's not bad, but I feel like it's worse than his earlier albums I just you know that I'm a little drunk so I put my my polyahelmet on Donda too Yeah, and he put it out on his some street thing. That's expensive. I can't don't know how to access to like a platform or something Because he was going through some shit with apple music

Wait, why? I don't know. I was barely, you know, I when he was posting pictures of Perez Hilton I really wanted to comment and be like, please don't please do not be posting low res pics of Perez Hilton That is so beneath you. Why was he posting pic like recently because he made like uh, yeah Because he was lashing out against people who make fun of mental illness or something He was like he was like grasping for straws in some very bipolar way. Unfortunately, but I mean Pete Davidson fucked his wife which you know, of course, he's having like a Kind of a freak out. Yeah, I would he's chimping like crazy

I would have if I was a man, I would be pretty upset if a guy who looked like Pete Davidson was anywhere around my wife and kids Of course, of course Male BPD Is that what it is? Is that? No, Pete Davidson is confirmed BPD Oh, he's male BPD. Okay. Yeah. Oh, that's why that's how he nets all those beautiful women Exactly Because he's like your boyfriend, but also your gay best friend

And he's probably good at having sex because he has a huge dick allegedly. Yeah, I think honestly the way that he does it It's like also a very simple explanation. It's like he has a record now of dating multiple hot girls No, of course, that's what it is. Yeah, and the the latest girl it gets to feel like she's the hottest one Mm-hmm. No, no, no. Yeah, it's there's like a sign felt that you need to go resume He has a whole CV. He does. He does. He said Kate Beckinsale Ariana Grande Well, this goes on. Yeah, but It's yeah, it's also because he's BPD

Probably always trying to fill that void with with love. Yeah, and they're always like trying to fix him Anyway But I think you're right speaking of the vibe shift that yeah back to the back to the vibe shift I really like want to get some more wine though. I don't you can You want to take a yeah, I might take a swing. I'm a little tangled I'll take a little more too. I'm putting it on your copy of fuck boy by Sean Tharkon I look forward to reading. Yeah Thank you

Okay What were you gonna say about about to say about the vibe shift? Oh, but I think like you're right in that the vibe shift is really like COVID being over because a lot of people who previously were not inclined to Are fed up of the libtarded persuasion are finally coming around to the fact that the virus is endemic that the protocols are Nonsense opportunistic Yeah, at worst nonsensical Yeah, and that we have to move on

Yeah Which is painful if you're if you love working from home with some people I've been taking a lot of zoom meetings over these last few weeks Such a drag I know it's so infuriating because like zoom meetings are like also a deflection activity they make you feel like you're making progress And people just love to have a zoom meeting that could have been an email I so miss I was in flat iron today briefly in a car and I was like I miss when I was like going to auditions and like taking getting a coffee with someone I had

Like it was like right before COVID I was like I'm in the summer of my life I'm like I'm like a real girl about town and like I love yeah going to the Gersh office Saying what's with the receptionist like making a self-tape or like going on edition and like Like all the stuff that now I do from home is so just demoralizing I'll take any excuse to like it's better It's better Yeah, it's more like even if you don't feel like doing it and like Eric Adams says We need to clean up the streets

Clean up the streets is disgusting. It's not whoever the city remains to be seen if you will clean up the streets He's fine. He's cleaning up the subways No, he's not He claims to Did I not send you the New York Post article? You did but I had literally the scariest experience today on the fucking subway I like descended alighted upon the subway platform And this totally crazy guy speaking gibberish like got in my face and like followed me

And I just like did what I usually do in like these type of situations Which is like commonly walk up and leave Yeah And he just like trailed me and I was like I could feel like his hot breath and I was like Oh my god, he's gonna like push me up Oh no My dream is gonna come true My make-a-wish foundation dream is finally coming true

Yeah, how'd you evade him? I just kept walking and then I saw some cops and he like dipped off NYPD But it was like literally so scary No, the yeah, well, yeah, but he said recently he's gonna try he's gonna try to Well, I hope There's some provision That they take all those

A judge can They're just nice. It's really you know what it is. It's gonna get warm outside and they're not gonna have to live in the subway anymore And so it's not gonna matter and he's gonna it's gonna seem like he did something I Eric Adams Oh, I don't know I just like I mean, I don't know how you love the swag but But I'm not seeing the policy results Well, hold on how long has he been in office like not that long Not that long

But now he's playing the race card. I don't know But he's playing the race card in like the old-fashioned way which I can appreciate Is he I actually don't know if he's playing this literally something some guy at the gym Who's also really obsessed with Trump being spied on which no one is talking about Trump being spied on Hillary Clinton was totally spying on Donald Trump The whole time Oh, I'm sure And only right-wing media outlets talk about it

Right and they and they have no credibility and they have no credibility And they have no credibility so everyone's like, exactly So you can't believe anything that is printed So yeah, my buddy at the gym is really losing it because he he says he's known for four years Who are these guys? They sound hot They sound like libertarian guys like what are equinox but like I did then some dog whistling around And now they're now we're like sympathico

And so they send me memes they sent me a one dead rather a meme of like the north I'll just show it to you Yeah, so it's Putin the Chinese president or whatever It's a picture of like Justin Trudeau issuing an order and Xi Jinping saying to Putin Bro, are you seeing this? And they call us dictators Says Putin And then Xi Jinping says hold up got a line and it's a Kim Jong-un saying bro

And it's very low rent That's like really cute Yeah, so Canada is a dictatorship on par with North Korea I'm okay with dictatorships Yeah, as long as like the dictator is performatively masculine And has like a strong man Yeah, a strong man You do not want to be yeah

I'll take I'll take Putin I'll take Lukashenko I'll take Xi Jinping Kim Jong-un I'll give him what you wish for you might get jeejing Yeah, seriously Even Gaddafi who was kind of like very female traded in many ways because the man liked to dress and he had that whole like They all liked to dress And he had like all those female bodyguards but like Trudeau such a spiritual female

Trudeau No, yeah, yeah Can you imagine having that guy as your dictator that sucks I would really yeah, that would really suck ass I would have really bad FOMO that I wasn't living in a country with like a So what is going on? He's stolen all the crypto Let me let me pull up my notes

He took all the fucking crypto And there's not enough good coders in Canada to get it They're all women and non-binary They're all non-binary women of color and they suck at coding and they're not Okay, so this weekend on your birthday in fact They cleared out the central area of the protests in front of Parliament And there was all those videos being shared of like police officers like on horseback Like trampling over protesters that sort of thing

This is according to the week They used batons and quote chemical irritant Against protestors who they described as quote aggressive and assaulted Chemical irritant A bot, what do you mean COVID? You know, bio weapons They should just like spray them with the vaccine Spray them with the vaccine

If you want your country to be 100% vaccinated Just get some chemtrails going If COVID is airborne, can't you make an airborne vax? Yeah Just spring that on everybody Don't give them any good ideas, Anna Please, please That's not what Peter Teal is paying us for

A woman who went from anti-vax to vaccine enthusiast With this one simple trick Daily wire And the Canadian media accused these protesters of like using kids Because a lot of those truckers had like their wives and kids Yeah, yeah Because they were eating chic food and hula-hooping and stuff But then they also said according to Reuters and CBC

Canada's federal government and the provinces of Saskatchewan Alberta, Ottawa and Quebec have all relaxed COVID restrictions Since the protests began So basically there are like signs that Canada is like loosening A lot of their COVID restrictions in spite of the fact that They were so hard on the truckers or maybe because of it Yeah, I read, I saw this week old article From the conservative Claremont publication

The American Mind that was being circulated Which basically said that the Canadian government had like three options Which was like caved to the truckers' demands Which would be political suicide Right Remove them by force Why would it be political suicide? Well, because all of their credibility would be eroded

If they caved to like this kind of insurrectionist army Of people who they had smeared as like white supremacists And like domestic terrorists and misogynists and whatever Right, right, right Yeah, yeah Or they could remove the truckers by force Which he argued would like kind of remove the thin veneer of democracy Or lastly, number three, they could double down on the rhetoric

And the threats which would lead to stalemate And in all of those cases, they were basically kind of squandering Whatever like remnants of legitimacy that they had or whatever Right, right But it turns out that they ended up using like a weird hybrid model Of like removing them by force But also easing some of the restrictions I forgot in which province but Reuters is reporting that children

Are no longer have to wear masks in schools in Canada Which seems like a huge deal Yeah, yeah, that's a big win And was that you think directly due to the trucker protests? I mean, I think that Was there a vote of some kind? Well, I think like what's happening is that they're gonna Canadian politics were gone

And they're gonna loosen like lax in some of these like restrictions and policies But they can't be seen as making a concession to the truckers So they're gonna continue to like dismantle and smear them Okay, but they took all the crypto from the GoFundMe and they froze their bank accounts? Yeah, well, that was the other thing that happened Yeah, so his like awful second in command held some press conference Where she like said that she that they were using the emergency act to bypass like a court order And allow Canadian banking institutions basically to freeze accounts

Any account that was thought or suspected of giving a donation to the freedom convoy Which is crazy That's actually so crazy. Is that true? Yeah, it's true. And they had well, there was a GoFundMe that had Something like nine or ten million dollars in funds that was shut down Because it quote violated GoFundMe's policies Just like what happened with our ISIS teacher Exactly

And they said that they were basically the originally they said that they would redirect Like redistribute the funds to credible and established charities What? Yeah, I think they also gave them the option of refunding Like a lot of people are reporting that they were like going to redistribute to charities like solely Right, right And then because that I think caused so much uproar they are now automatically refunding those funds To donate it to a vaccination campaign

To like BLM or something To Dr. Fauci Foundation To Dr. Fauci Sandfly Beagle Torture Foundation To make plexiglass enclosures Can you imagine if you donated to like some campaign And then like Go on And they were like actually we're going to give your money to this other charitable cause that you totally don't believe in

And think it's like harmful to your own Yeah, when I donated to the Bernie Sanders campaign and that money went back into the DNC That is basically what happened Yeah, that's essentially what happened But they didn't announce it No, but there was still a sense of like oh right okay I like Tried to disrupt this organization I didn't really agree with And now I just gave them a million sun

Okay Well I guess I'm not going to participate in politics anymore Welcome to Hollywood I guess I just don't know how this works so I'm going to Yeah, I mean that's like But it was I saw a lot of like even like leftist people being like this is insane and ridiculous Like people who ordinarily fall in line with every like Mandate or like direct over whatever they're just like

But yeah, so there was that campaign the GoFundMe campaign That was shut down and then the emergency order from the Trudeau government About freezing Why do they want these truckers to get back so bad? Yeah, that's a good question Why? Why? They drive in a truck All day long like alone What do you mean?

They cannot even be interfacing with people that much it's not like a production to drive a fucking truck Yeah, it doesn't make any sense Yeah, no, none of it makes sense I think Canada is one of the most vast countries in the world at this point Oh god, it makes me feel so bad It's because they don't want a control group When the truth comes out We should just start whispering on the spot

Make it even harder to listen to I know We can't get in trouble if we whisper it We should insert anti-vax subliminal messages Okay Into the like Instead of I don't know who am I kidding

Instead of the non-subliminal messages Like insert subliminal messages into like audio tracks If you put it backwards, right? Yeah, something like that I don't know, you can like whisper above the track At a barely audible I got something I want to say but I'm not going to Why not?

Because I just said you don't want to I think it would be really bad for me There's no reason for me to say it No, but you can tell me after because now I'm dying to know I'll tell you after, it's really just Yeah A fantasy, a passing thought or something I shouldn't voice

Look at you Being all mature In your early 30s It is the kind of thing that actually would get us to platform It's not It's not just for fun I feel like at the end of the day All these governments will slowly

Ease all of these controls and restrictions But they'll take credit for it And they'll say like, oh well we knew all along That the virus was going to be endemic once it leaked And oh we knew that masks and vaccines were imperfect measures And the mental health of the blah blah blah And all while smearing like the people who originally Complained about it

Yeah Well And that's, you know, the liberal democracy in a nutshell Yeah, I know I was like looking at, I was kind of like scrolling Because I encountered this week old article And I was like looking at the takes on conservative Twitter And they were like very optimistic

And they remind like originally about the trucker convoy I was really going to change things and whatever And it reminded me of how optimistic the online left were During the BLM stuff During the Bernie stuff And it was like, yeah, like the early Bernie when he first ran And it was like a nice time to be alive Yeah, I really thought

Damn But I think like the scary thing is like I really was like, wow, my voice is going to matter Oh, I'm going to vote for Bernie Sanders in the primary Because I'm a socialist Yeah, I mean a lot of people I believe in this thing called socialism I actually like, yeah, and I don't think like you can make fun of or blame anybody

I mean, I'm making fun of my I'm talking about my sound Like literally I was like, I was, I guess I'm a socialist There's like, I've never cared about politics before There's this like man who I have this kind of like Renegade galvanizing force But who I have, you know, kind of a Freudian, you know, attachment Grand paternal attachment

Transference onto who's kind of saying all the right things He's, you know, he's got the right kind of fervor It's like matching my frustration with being poor And like, why should, of course, you know, like I should do everything I can To try and get this person like more political power so that he can represent me And boy, were you wrong And God, was I just wrong And now Bernie's on Twitter saying shit like

Racism and white supremacy are an even bigger threat to our democracy Than climate change and shit like that He'd be saying anyway But I was like conservatives, you guys are all Wow, you guys are thinking like leftists Cause you're really in for a rude awakening Cause you're so downtrodden now Well, I feel like liberal democracy just

Stay like recomposing and reconstituting by like cannibalizing stuff It keeps it moving, everybody's like, oh well like The institutions are totally like evacuated of legitimacy It's like when did a lack of legitimacy ever stop anybody from governing I know People don't really be understanding that The late, so what was faker and gayer than like the late Soviet era Where it was like completely crumbling and everyone pretended like it wasn't

Yeah, totally It's as fake and gay as it gets folks Yeah, and everybody That was the real vibe shift The fucking Soviet Union fell apart And the whole country just stopped existing I know and it was just like And all these people just had to kind of figure out what the new vibe was

Which was stabbing a guy for American blue jeans on the Moscow subway Yeah Blowing up bankers The original, I mean the Soviet Union always does everything first and better Invading Afghanistan Yeah, we're falling apart I wish America would like learn from the Russians instead of Melining them

Russophobia in them Do you like my Russian? I did Because they literally asked me, what's it like being an Eastern European girl And Hollywood and I was like, well, I'm being honest What did they, oh my god, there is the best part of that So many people, because I posted The translation of gold digger

It was literally like a gold miner Yeah, it was a lot they scotted you It was like, what? Yeah, that was a gold seeker Because I answered in English and they translated But it was really cute, I've never heard gold digger It's so crazy, yeah I thought that was really funny

I really love the Russian language because it's so much more It sounds a lot more formal and dignified than English to me But it's also like so stupid, like some of the compound words Like that word I really love the Russian birthday greeting style Of like my mom was sending me all the well wishes from my Russian family And they're like We congratulate you for being happy

It's always like, no, it's like And it goes on and on and on Yeah, it's like Exactly And then like a photo of like some roses Like a gift of some roses And you're like, yeah, that's how you know That's how you know it's your birthday

It's always like very like formal They read the interview with Dasha It's so smart It's so cool With a clear world view This is the people, this is the real mask World view World view

World view Like world view How many successes? I'm very proud of myself Who's that? Is that the Mendelssohn's? This is, no, no, this is the sister of my aunt Rita, of my aunt, Sveta We're so horrible, we're just like smearing these

Innocent people I like it, I'm excited I mean, it's just nice It's nice the length, you know Yeah, здоровье, счастье, любви, успехов во всех начинаниях И всегда отличные настроения That's from Sveta It's so sweet, it's nice

I'm like, yeah I took the baby to Brighton Beach for the first time And we went to Cafe Cashgar, which is a Uyghur cuisine And it was like a nice, nice little day So what, some like sloths, some like barbecues? Yeah Sorry Some fago

Yeah, what do Uyghurs eat? Like, it's like very western Chinese I mean, it's like meat's Uzbek Like lagman, you know, like the beef For the lamb, the gliz, the knoted vibes Hand pulled noodles, that sort of thing But I was like, in, you know, walking around And it was just like a lot of like

These like, haggard, old women Like, clinging to their glamour And wearing Fur coats And it was just like so familiar Russians are like Bizzan out there, I don't know Dude, I know I mean caviar is a great just you know it's so I almost I stayed at the St. Regis for my birthday which is so Russian yes it is yeah to be like oh i'm an aristocrat

and the caviar service was like 250 for like an ounce of like probably fake I was gonna remember yeah and it's like you know and I was like should I did it but that's very Russian yeah yeah like do we just she's new the last like let's get the caviar yeah let's get the caviar I'll pay any price all Russians like every Russian family is always talking about how they had like nobility in their blood I know I really be doing that no I know my mother does that and I'm just like who you you can tell with me you can yes you can actually my mom said that that you must have been an aristocrat in your past life in my past yeah interesting yeah I think I it's my in my lineage possibly yeah well due to being Catholic wait what does that have

to do with anything because it's so weird for people to be Catholic and but isn't some isn't some segment of Belarusian people yeah it's very close to Poland I'm sure I'm really just I would believe it hey you got to do that 23 and me yeah it's like 100% princess 100% queen yes I don't want to find out how Jewish I am so I'm not going to be doing that it's pretty cool most people want to find out I don't want to know yeah no that's good I like that I just keep it keep it a mystery yeah exactly it's a wild card anyway what were we talking about the truckers the freedom convoy the how they're not Nazis because they're all chic guys oh see guys but they're chic too but they're chic see

six or she seeks that's a hill I would die on they are yeah yep why is he's crying yeah he's really really having a soft spot that's okay we can wrap it up I mean we should talk about the Down syndrome Victoria's secret model oh yeah oh but I wanted to say the funniest arc of the whole trucker convoy was Glenn Greenwald doing like the side-by-side of the story about Putin freezing assets of like opposition protesters versus Trudeau freezing assets of opposition protesters and Taleb putting him on a twitter list called Russian apologists yeah that was like really cute and fantastic I know is that Taleb still have you blocked yeah I'm like seething with jealousy because he noticed Glenn but not yeah he still has to be blocked but I I mean

you know it is what it is I my zoomer boyfriend really likes Taleb and we all love he has been telling me about some of Taleb's ideas and I'm kind of like I already know this stuff you're not gonna be a mathematician to know that you need to have skin in the game babe or be anti-fragile yeah that's like just normal right a bible-sized book about that but I love you know Taleb you love him you love him I was like honey making lists why did he block you I think it was part of a mass block I would really love to brag and say please please unblock me dad no I would love to to say that I was like uniquely and unjustly persecuted for being an annoying bitch but I think he literally just mass blocked me I don't think he

knows who I am at all whatsoever yeah um oh that sucks but it's fine what's his name Crosby Nash one of the guys they even Crosby like Crosby still doesn't yeah he has me blocked wait what why I think is part of some mass I look noticed one day that's like actually crazy because he's he's a big time live yeah okay so he's got me blocked and that kind of was like I don't care but but Taleb should unblock you know it kind of hurts being blocked by a father figure dude by Taleb for you for sure that's yeah I'm like honey please and Nick my dad my own dad is dead help I look to you I'll be able to block your ass too I can't believe I'm not blocked down yeah have you checked you're not blocked no but I don't really interact I mean I've never

interact I like I I'm not like he loves the Vax Taleb allegedly yeah he's he's he's a total like libtard and he's like very I mean all of this is forgivable because he is spiritually female but but I forgive him because it's so like above board and like upfront and also like as a flamboyant and oversensitive middle eastern male he's allowed that because they're all kind of spiritually female he was like sheh talking in the book of the other day really but he was just describing himself it was he was like really into weightlifting I mean butterflies is he a lifter oh good friend there's that famous photo of him in the in the mini cooper with um I want to say like mark rippletoe or something like a personal trainer oh dasha I wanted to ask you should I get

a personal trainer does it help you in any meaningful way I think so I mean you look great but wait so like you're making gains with the personal trainer um gains well does he like make you keep you accountable oh for sure for sure and I'm deadlifting like I don't know a lot I'm doing like leg press like nice 25 pound I'm doing like a lot I'm doing a lot I'm deadlifting like maybe 60 50 I'm like I don't know I don't know the numbers because he keeps check them but I am like making progress okay um okay next question should I get a black personal trainer yes I'll launder my one thousand no just because they're better they're athletic uh yeah definitely I brinaldo body by ray is what he tells me to tell people when they remark on my body I say body by

ray um he's an equinox he's he's bad uh this is a it's a love said he's he admitted to being a russophile he loves russia's culture literature music food russian uh probabilists vodka parties conversations with mood swings but I execrate western russian propagandists but I must admit I have a problem with the book of I find him precious ornate flowery and alembicated in short trying too hard to be literary bitch that's what you do literally the narcissism of small differences what are you talking about you know what they say um every russophobe is a russophile who doesn't know yet well he is he admits to being a russophile yeah but there's a lot of russia haters out there totally they're obsessed also like everybody's a russophile like on like everybody

who who like thinks of themselves as intellectual like isn't jordan wilson jordan peterson uh well no he collects all that kind of socialist realist art to remind himself of the atrocity that's a russophore steward big time yeah haters or fans too is the baby crying gonna be on the recording probably okay should we talk about the down syndrome model uh victoria secrets got a down syndrome model with 20 peruvian 24 year old am i making that up also alatina she's latina yeah she has down syndrome but not too bad guys guys that's redundant no she's uh yeah she does have downy features but like but minimally kind of minimally she's probably relatively high functioning for a downsperson her voice doesn't sound that are hard wait you heard her speak

someone told me that okay i wasn't really digging deep because i don't she's got uh why would they do this why would they do this i don't understand i mean i said this to you already but like in a world that's like preoccupied with like trauma and oppression like this is literally abuse it's literally abusive to hire a person with down syndrome to model underwear it's per it's worse than the joan diddy and selena it's perverted it's really bad i think and also no offense but american eagle did it first they had a down they had a really downsy looking model like really like not like this girl really yeah oh but victoria secret is so much more at least airy was doing a kind of uh real girls campaign it's like victoria secret just seems to be

be i don't know like putting like a push up brah no they seem like their business is really floundering yeah that's what it feels like they're really like uh they just want to get their name in the press yeah i guess i don't know yeah it seems so obvious seems insanely vile and weird and no one could grow could possibly get on board with us i don't know can people with down syndrome consent i think the idea is that she is of you know some in some way is able to give meaningful consent i hope yeah i don't know it just seems it it seems because it's not just like being low IQ it's like a whole other thing syndrome thing yeah but it feels like not that i'm you know i think we should you know de-stigmatize kind of downsy features for my own self-interest

you know there's nothing wrong with a girl that looks like she got maybe uh bonked on the head a little bit or something but maybe a wonky eye or whatever um but this is seems a little too far yeah it seems like it's not a hot take it seems sorry i'm really bleak and coerced if we were really contrarian we'd be like we love the down syndrome model i love down syndrome it's so relatable i mean they're really cute they are really really cute um up until the the anger issues of course yeah but when they're friendly when they're working at the movie theater when they're having a good time you're having a good time it's i love nothing i love i love them i do love them yeah but it just seems creepy to like exploit and objectify people with down syndrome to sell

lingerie the failing brand's lingerie yeah yeah and like i was thinking the other day how like every ad campaign now has to have like every type of woman in it like there has to be except a hot one yeah like literally did you see the adidas bra bra ad yeah it was like a bunch of tits without the bra yeah and there was some that like technically were kind of because i sent to maddie and i was like none of these tits are nice and she was like uh top left like i was like okay you're kind of right but because the one the the nicest pair of tits actually had like alopecia or whatever the not alopecia vitiligo yeah uh but they were technically nice but they you know but the vitiligo is you know i can see the beauty and of course it's amazing it's a great to have a beauty mark um

it reminds me of that like um gerald manly hopkins poem that everybody read when they were like teenagers about dappled things i just always say while dappling is so poetic it's very true i've definitely wrote some poems about x-boy friends being like dappled and i hear a dappled dick yeah i always wonder who these ads are for and then i realized they're for women just are they though yeah they're like they're yeah who are they really i think but like even like when you think about that like i don't want to see that i don't want to see that the adidas ad was like a grid of a grid of tits yeah yeah but when you think of a grid of tits where like you and maddie literally have to whip out a magnifying glass to find the one or two pairs of

tits that are actually like attractive it's like when they try to do the like this is what normal vaginas look like that they're all disgusting yeah and i'm like they all look like an open faced like wawa sandwich that's sitting in the case for normalish yeah um but that's such a great metaphor for what these ads are because it's like you have a grid of tits where like maybe two pairs of sell or salvageable but because all the other ones are like totally repulsive you can't like you get distracted and confused and you can't pick out the well that doesn't make me want to buy a sports bra well yeah but that's like what all these ads are which is like they're like we're like defying and innovating beauty standards and actually like hot is not hot

and like there's this whole like like anything goes mentality let's say reformation is staying strong is it because they're just doing normal skinny hot whatever slutty normal shit i wonder how that i wonder how they're doing like market wise probably fine because no all of this like woke pandering is fruitless yeah and it's because it doesn't actually appeal to people on a psychological level which is the whole point i mean i guess i suppose there are some people who do make like conscious consumerist virtue signaling choices but i think increasingly less so which also goes back to the vibe shift it's like people want you know they want to go to brandy they want to go you know they want they're just not interested in the in the culture war because

it's gone on long enough yeah but like i feel like all these kind of ads they like mystify like objective beauty standards and lower the bar to make people feel better but actually end up making everybody feel worse i did not feel good looking at that at that i'm nor that down syndrome model does not make me feel no i had to look at it i feel like i'm looking at like midget porn or something when i look at like a down syndrome model like i'm doing something like really gross and like i don't want this and also it's like it doesn't make me inclined to buy victoria secret i mean i would never buy victoria secret under at this point me too used to hit the pink me too five for 25 right too i have a very good uh a little cut down me bra from victoria secret

that's like really radion old but that i can't throw out because it's yeah it's so cute and flattering um but yeah i don't i don't know i mean i feel like maybe something needs to be done someone's got to revamp that yeah yeah but i i don't know who this appeals like i can only imagine that this appeals to like elder millennial women who work at failing media outlets these tits are not looking so good isn't it yeah and who like spent the pandemic on the couch are they in the market are they in the market for sports bras though are they well i think i guess athletes everybody buy sports bras now right like everybody wears sports bras and like leggings around even if they don't exercise uh yeah like normies and basics so old i guess i can't relate because i

because you wear a the brock collection i just can't miss a whole yeah i don't need to wear a sports bra i could literally wear like a t-shirt oh you can just like yeah but i do wear a sports bra just for you know to the generities like but it basically just a normal yeah but don't they like move around you can't exercise with my tits are so small dude but they don't they they shift around yeah for sure yeah yeah but no i do wear a sports bra and i'm sure i know yeah it does not impede i'm sure yeah no no i would be less comfortable if i was truly brawless at the gym but i i imagine like any size tit is is like i feel it feels weird when you're just like you know when they're flapping around at the gym there's just really no flights just but no they're there yeah it's

nice to have them secure to have them yeah like kind of like taped down so i see some girls at the gym with really big ass titties that be looking really good in those sports bras you know but that's what we want to see like i want to see a pair of like gorgeous tanned round aspirational titties yeah i don't need to see a pair of like a mastectomy scar or like i'm so i just go or postpartum it's all part of life yeah like there's nothing wrong with it and like but we don't need to see that card why i don't understand why like you know beauty i saw a really great speaking of camille pockley i said and they're all shot with a flat like you know it's not as if it's like a gorgeous photo of a woman who's had a mastectomy that somehow like oh you know you can

be like wow yeah she is beautiful and like it's so great that she can wear lingerie or a sports bra it's like no it's literally like the most like abject indie sleaze like it is yeah like in flash photo of someone's nasty hits or a read literal read down syndrome person that sucks that sucks yeah no there's actually no one like that there's a total integration between like porn and advertising now we've been podcasting for so long yeah i'm happy to put a plug in it i feel like you know i know he i know we gotta go okay we gotta go this baby's crying bye see you now we will see you in hell