Red Scare - Madison Square Garbage

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

The ladies recap the MSG Trump rally and prepare for the election.

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I think New York, it's so unhygienic. I feel like yeah. And cold. Like in LA people go to some like house party and there's a pool. It's like the, you know, you're a little playboy bunny and there's like, it makes more sense. Yeah.

But in New York, it's just like, you have to be try really hard to look like this. Could I have a cig? I don't think I brought one. This is my last one. I have to go out and get some. Oh shit, I could have sworn I have so much crap in my bag. We've been blessed for several years now of balmy.

I have a whole pack of cigs. Incredible. Of balmy, temperate Halloween. So today's pretty warm. Today was pretty nice, actually. But yeah, I was telling Dasha that I went to Park Slope to go trick or treating with the baby and Eli and some friends of the family who have two kids.

And there was these roving groups of teen girls dressed total whores. And I was like, at what point do you like age out of the trick or treating? Cause like you want the candy, but it's also kind of inappropriate to compete with like toddlers. I think 13 is too old.

And yeah, and Eli was like trailing derisively behind, like, what are you supposed to be, jail bait like under his breath to these girls? Oh my God. But it's fun. I think as a woman, you have one of two options for your costume. You could either be a total whoreore or go full drag like me.

You were... Mel Ottemberg of Interview Magazine. I got to say, I love your Halloween costumes. I was like, I have no idea. A lot of people were like Camille Paglia, Judith Butler. I think I am going to just keep the wig and recycle it next year. And do Camille. Easy. Yeah.

It seemed like kind of like a niche Camille look potentially. Like, you know, that was like a fan favorite. Yeah. No, I had to go with Mel because he just released his that was like a fan favorite. Yeah. No, I had to go with Mel because he just released his denim collab with Redone. Right. And he's been on the scene. He's like a New York fixture. He should come on the show.

Yeah. Would love to have him. We could wear the jeans. Do you have a pair? I don't. You would have been a jeans moment. Mm hmm. Yeah. And it's like the Canadian tuxedo look that I already have and wear organically. Yeah, so it was a no-brainer. I have kind of like a blockage against dressing too slutty on Halloween because I tend to dress kind of slutty on Halloween because I tend to dress kind of slutty.

So your birthday, you like to dress like a prostitute. Yeah. So I figure like this is the one holiday where I can be like a creative theater kid. Yeah. I, I'm sure I've said this, but I always do either a nurse or a French maid. And I keep it a very moderately slutty. It's like the context is already slutty because I'm wearing kind of like a submissive costume.

But I haven't done that for years. Dressing up. Yeah. Yeah, you're kind of well, you're an actress, so you get to dress up all the time. I'm always being creative. Yeah. Yeah, you're kind of over. Well, you're an actress, so you get to dress up all the time. Exactly. I'm always being creative. Yeah. Every day. Different jokes.

I have to switch out these headphones. They're actually giving me a little shock treatment. It's like one of those electric collars they put on dogs to discipline them. That's fine. He likes being abused by women. I was thinking how a really cute couples costume would be Huma and the Soros son. The gay guy? Yeah. Yeah, that would be funny. Daniel Penny.

And Jordan Neely, I had that thought too and I was like, this is too much. It's too much. It's not a good idea. It's like, you know, one of those costumes that you get at the drug store, that's like an alien care, like kidnapping a man. It's like Daniel Penny choke holding Jordan Neely on the F tree. Alien is fun. That's a fun child's costume too. Kids, you really, I was disappointed with your son's choice. I know, we were just talking.

I hope he doesn't hear this. Oh my God. But it was his choice. He went as a rider from Paw Patrol. Which was easy and low effort for me. Yeah. But not what I would have chosen personally. But he's getting to be that age where he makes his own decisions.

Like, can't you go as a trans kid? Can't you go and wear this Steve Bannon costume Dasha got you? With little pens in his shirt. Oh my God, so cute. Steve Bannon and Young Thug are free. Oh yeah? Yeah. I didn't know. Yeah.

Well, welcome. Mm-hmm. Come on the pod. Again. I'll talk to Steve again. Yeah sexy Steve. We went to the Trump rally. We did yeah. We'll talk which we'll discuss. But yeah it's Halloween before the election so it's the last pod we'll probably do. We should plug our free press election night stream. We're going to be part of a bunch of people. The who's who of centrist fence sitters.

I don't know who most of those people are. I know Marianne Williamson, Andrew Yang, Brianna Wu, I know Marianne Williamson, Andrew Yang, Brianna Wu, a couple other people, but a lot of those, you, Anna Kasparian. Anna Kasparian is like my Dasha Navatny. I know. Like there could only be one. This isn't right. Another Anna Kay. Yeah.

Dasha Navatny. And she's kind of been spitting on Twitter lately, doing the right wing pivot. It'll be interesting. Tune in on YouTube and X. My question is, will all of this be in person? Are all these IDW luminaries gonna be like in the building or are they going to just call in? I think some people are calling in but some people will be there. I mean we lip filler today. Uh, why? By like impulse. I have, I am semi impulsively, you know, it was like, I'm glad in hindsight, you

know, I came home, you don't want to tamper with something like that before the election live stream. That's a very good point. I just was like, I'm just going to do it. I'm going to get the filler, you know? But then I went in and I was like, I don't want it to look like I have filler. And she was like, props to her, honestly.

She gave me my money back and everything. And she was like, I'm not gonna give you filler because it's not gonna look good. Yeah. And I was like, fuck, thank you. Can I say something? There's like, the beauty standards have gone too far. Not everybody has to have like lips, you know, a huge ass or huge tits.

There's something to be said about aristocratic, small breastasted women. Thank you, Anna. With natural lips. I'm just saying, that's my personal preference. I know, it's so true. I mean, I didn't want, I wasn't gonna come up here with like,

but I guess what I want isn't really possible. What do you want? Just like naturally fuller, you know? Like I want it to look like I haven't had filler and I like I've always just ate something spicy, you know, just eat like rub hot sauce on your lips. I mean, I could those tingling lip balms just like I don't actually like necessarily be like, yeah, I don't know. I'm going to keep thinking about it. I was just thinking how like having style is literally just wearing clothes that suit

you. Yeah. There's many different ways to be stylish and like beauty kind of operates according to the same principle. It's like what works for you personally. Yeah. So true. Which is why like beauty trends are dangerous because all sorts of like

impressionable women and girls get it into their heads that they have to look some certain, certain like monolithic way. And it's like not good. No, it's true. And then it'll become a status thing to not have filler, you know, once it reaches like a saturation point. Yeah. I think like my trend forecasting is that there's going to be an about face and it's going to be cool to be natural again. That's a good trend forecast.

Yeah. Have no tits and a flat ass. That's coming back in a big way. Being frail and middle-aged is actually the coolest thing you can do. Sorry, Gen Z. Sorry, Gen Z, with your perfectly plump skin and succulent breasts. It's all about being an old crone now. The elder millennials are back in charge.

The JD Vance, what the hell? I mean, the millennials are having a moment. He should get some lip filler. He already has kind of a big ass, actually. He's slim down. He's slim thick. He's looking, you know, trim and good. He's refined. What else? Trump rally? Oh, yeah. I mean, I

Halloween pregame. Yeah, it'll probably it'll just we'll put this out before the election. Do you think Trump, well, do you think Trump's gonna win? Since this is the last podcast. So I'm naturally superstitious and conservative, so I don't like making predictions like that because I don't like to psych myself out and be disappointed.

But I keep telling all my friends to keep saying he's gonna win because it makes me feel better. I think the momentum and the energy is there. Like a lot of people I know are doing this very annoying thing where they're like glued to the polls and combing through tweets and taking any shred of like expert analysis that face value and they're really just like over analyzing

and second guessing. It's such a waste of time because anything can happen in a moment that changes. Like him having the election stolen again. Or him getting a false alert or him coming on Red Scare. And it would really, especially the election getting rigged. I don't think they can, they can, they could rig it.

Again. I was seeing the people saying that there was a lot more early turnout from Republican voters and a lot less early turnout from Democrat voters and part of that is attributable to the end of the pandemic. But it's unclear how much that'll play in his favor, blah, blah, blah. I'm voting on election day. I don't like this vote early stuff. I'm like, I'm voting on, I'm going to vote on this vote early stuff. I'm like, I'm voting on, I'm gonna vote on time. Do you think he's gonna win?

I do, objectively. I mean, I want him to win. I want him to win, I'm gonna vote for him. I'm not gonna be devastated if he loses, you know? But I think he is going to win, just objectively, just based on Eugene. Eugene called me recently and told me he was listening to the pod and driving around. And he wanted to call me and tell me that I've been sounding really out of touch. That's rich. I sound elitist when I talk about how I don't take the train and

how they're you know and I was like well I am out of touch I don't like leave my apartment. I'm just like reading I'm trying to talk about my reality but being completely out of touch I do But being completely out of touch, I do feel, and being, I mean Madison Square Garden's major. So many people from my past, you know, were like, are you serious? Not so many people, but you know. There are so many, everyone's reaching out to me. Everyone's saying they saw my amazing posts.

Wellness check. No, but people in my life that are more left leaning, you could say are definitely like, what are you, are you serious? This guy, I thought, okay. Your edge lordism and contrarianism has gone too far. Do you think this is a game? That photo of me outside that someone took, where I'm wearing the hat and sunglasses and doing the peace signs, this guy ran up to me and said, Dasha, let me get one picture. And I turned around and I saw that he had like,

I mean, I would have probably, I don't know, he ambushed me and I saw he had a camera. And so I smiled and did the beaver victory thing. And then he said, moron and walked away. And I thought I was like, that guy just called me a fucking moron. But I convinced myself that I was like paranoid because I had smoked weed on my way there.

And so I was like, you're here. There's no way that guy called you a moron. And then I saw he posted it on Reddit and he definitely did call me a moron. Yeah. What was he doing there? I don't know, being a narc? Yeah.

Who can't, I'm like, I don't think it's deplorable. I think it's very, MSG is major. Of course I'm going to the Trump rally. Like when people, even if I like wasn't a Trump supporter, I'd probably still go. It's like. Yeah, we were just, you know, doing journalism, reporting. We were like Mike Tracy.

Of course, this is our beat. Embedded in the trenches. Sorry, it's an election. It's an election. We were obviously there to support Trump. Well, I wanted to see it. Yeah. But it's true, we would have gone anyway.

I would have had the opportunity to present it itself. Absolutely. And it was like truly, well, OK, I wanted to ask you, I was like lording over you and Maddie being like, I'm an expert. I've done this before. As a second time rally goer, as a first time rally goer, what was your impression of the rally?

Well, I had been to some Bernie Sanders rallies before which were quite different in terms of the protocol. I mean it was long. Yes we got there probably around noon, left probably around 8. You and Riley had the good sense to leave before he had finished his speech. And so sorry, Mr. Trump. You know, I love you. We didn't mean any part of the deal. I got to get out of there. And then me and the rest of the crew followed shortly thereafter.

And it actually got me to thinking of that moment during the debate where Kamala accused him of people leaving his rallies early. I thought of that. And got him to lose his cool. And I was thinking about it and like, you know, the Democrats, they, they lie in this way where they don't exactly bend the facts, but they misrepresent the significance. And obviously people are like rational and self-interested actors, even the most loyal Trump fans, Magatards. And so like, of course, they're trying to get ahead of the traffic. We got gridlocked at some point in like Heiji and Matthew's van on the way to Nobu. And so like this is gonna sound

like such a cope, but it's actually true. Obviously like people leave the rallies early because they are so popular and well attended. It's actually a good sign, a positive sign. That doesn't sound like hope at all. It's like in order to leave early, there has to be a time during which most people leave. Yeah. So to leave early is already explicitly like a minority group. Not everyone can leave early. The high IQ contingent.

The people who pass the marshmallow test. Just I had two monster energy drinks because they weren't serving alcohol. So I was sweating a lot and like feeling like flushed from all the B vitamins and I had to leak it out of there. Maddie said the funniest thing like that, you know, because there was no alcohol, she was just acting drunk. But it's true, you can really sigh up yourself into feeling wasted even. And like rallies are a slog, they're like a feat of endurance.

They you know, it was like all day they ran like 15 speakers, they kept like cock teasing us with the big man and every time some other guy would come out who was like a VC or an investor. Some guy. What I don't understand about rallies is like the mechanics of how they work. Like do people like how do people get elected to speak? And do you have to like hurry favor with the boss and blah blah blah yeah through like his team yeah you know people that are organizing his events and then they reach out to people and Tulsi mm-hmm

Tulsi was good I thought yeah. Yeah, she looked great. Some other broads came out. Alina Habba. Which one is she? She was the busty lawyer in the sequin MAGA jacket. Oh, yeah. And she said, I put my MAGA jacket up here to show Hillary Clinton. One of the big takeaways from the rally that came out of the mainstream media

was how it was like a Nazi fascist hate fest and it crazy literally wasn't that at all. Everyone was talking about Israel. Yeah every other person. New York City. We were talking Israel big time. Yeah. Israel's our friend. Jews, Jews, Trump, the Israeli flag. Yeah, we need Trump for Jews. Women, men, it's like the list. Black men, black women at the bottom as always. But it was actually just like, I always get the sense with some of these moderate centrist types

that I've been seeing a lot of on the TL lately That they'll say like well, you know, sometimes I think that I'm sympathetic to MAGA and like certain parts of it but I can never get fully behind it because it's so divisive and racist and it dawned on me that they're like What they're really trying to express is the exact opposite they're like, what they're really trying to express is the exact opposite. They're like, hoping and projecting because really what they hate about it and are threatened by is it's universal message

and mass appeal. Because they're elitists? Yeah, because they're, yeah. They're literally just snobs. Well, it's, yeah. I think- And they hold the chuds in contempt. Yeah, it's like they find Trump to be vulgar,

but how can you not like him? Most people are vulgar. Exactly, exactly. And he really casts a wide net in terms of like his base. Like there was a lot of different people there. I met some like black guys. Oh yeah, where? Like in the hallway.

At the Trump rally. Yeah, at the Trump rally. And I was like kind of clandestinely taking pictures of them because they looked really swaggy and good. And the one guy stopped me and made it, made me take a picture of him, like head on. And I did. It was great. And he was like some drill rapper from like the Bronx. Oh, yeah. I think I know that guy's here. Yeah. And he was is like a wide clientele.

Bunch of Jews. Remember we saw those Jews in the hallway too. Yeah. Yeah. The Trump rallies in the tri-state area do bring out like the Orthodox Jewish vote for sure. Wearing MAGA hats. Yeah. And like over there like payos. And like taking up more space than is polite.

It's like the handshake meme between the Jews and Chinese who have no spatial self-awareness and literally just block the center of the aisle when people are trying to get through. That's interesting. Yeah, always, always everything we say on here is affectionate. I think that's interesting. Yeah. Always, always everything we say on here is affectionate. Yeah.

And then I guess the first speaker really set the tone. I wasn't aware of this guy, Tony Hinchcliffe of Kill Tony. Me neither. And he set off like the whole, he really set the tone of the media response because he set off a viral discourse with his Puerto Rico joke. Right. Which like to quote Megyn Kelly, he probably is Puerto Rican. He looked Puerto Rican, right? That's why I was like, I didn't, when he's, he was not funny. He looked like Puerto Rican David Spade. Yeah. He was not funny. You look like Puerto Rican David Spade.

Yeah. I bet he is. But to quote Megyn Kelly, like I'm not easily offended because nothing really offends me. But I remember even then, before the media response hit, thinking like, well, okay,

this joke is not personally offensive to me, but it is like ill conceived and ill timed. And it wasn't so much like the content of the joke, but like the delivery and the personality. Yeah. I mean, and just like click baity, you know, news had they were like, wow, they said something racist at the somebody explained to me that this guy is actually a really good roast comedian who's known for crowd work, but that like obviously completely fails to register in a rally type setting where people aren't there to see you.

He has a reputation for dark humor and insult comedy, which has led to several controversies apparently. Apparently it says video. Okay. In an interview with culliflint.com. He said that his insults got him punched in the face on the school bus. We're not getting a race. We don't know. He's from Ohio. He's probably just a white guy, I guess.

Hinchcliff? Yeah. The fuck, dude. Yeah, he was a lot down. Yeah, but he, like, for a moment there, it really looked like it might work against Trump because in the eyes of Trump's haters it's he's always guilty by association and by the way I like fully believe Trump when he

said like never heard of this guy didn't know who he was they just let him on stage of course of course he doesn't know about red scare pocket yeah I know they should have just let us on stage as the tattoo song played. Anora. We would have done a great job. But whatever, I get it. This tightly organized rally would immediately have sound issues.

We're like that drill rapper, everyone knows who we are. Who the hell is Tony Hinge? Because he's like way more famous than us. We're like, what the fuck? Yeah, he has like six million followers on YouTube or something. Never heard of this guy.

But then like Joe Biden came out of retirement and hopped on the Zoom call and really did a chorus correction because he called the Trump base garbage in response to Kill Tony and that pisses saying Puerto Rico is a floating island of garbage that really pissed Trump off per the text I guess yeah because it pissed me off and by oncology garbage I was like the fuck fuck? That's terrible. Yeah, because that's like half the country right there. It's like deplorables 2.0. I know they got it. They got it. They can't show their contempt so nakedly, you know, for everybody.

Yeah, and it's like hard to say whether the Democrats are really that dumb and clueless or whether it's like Biden's final revenge on Kamala Interesting who like sabotaged him and blackmailed him and then staged a coup against him. Yeah Right he went out to that rally or he met those like firefighters or whatever and put on the trump hat Who trump Biden? Oh Biden what? It was like a month ago. It was like photos of him. He's because he has like, I mean it seemed demented but yeah he put a MAGA hat on. I feel like Biden would look kind of cute in a MAGA hat. Have you not? You've seen it. No I haven't seen it. No. Okay. I've just been, I've been seeing all the garbage man imagery coming out of Pennsylvania

Yeah, yeah That's awesome we love we love garbage don't don't we Let's see Okay, it's a young timer. Here's a reminder to the guys that grew up in the doors one in this neighborhood. I'm the only one. I miss them. I miss them. There you go, man. I need that hat.

Want my autograph? Well, I keep thinking about how I... You know what? I'm going to the line. I'll take this one. Come on. I ain't going that far. Yeah.

I guess we're doing filthy. He looks good. Red suits him. He looks more alive. He looks so happy wearing it, too. I know. Why are we talking about... It makes him look more alive. He looks so happy wearing it down. Why are we talking about? It really adds some color to his potato famine power.

He's so old. Biden. Biden and Trump are the same age, give or take a few years. I know, but Trump doesn't exercise. So his body has all it's all charged up with energy. Yeah, it's not depleted. And he's like a new iPhone. Yeah. Oh, I saw people accuse us of lying about liking McDonald's

as if I haven't been talking about eating at McDonald's for over a decade. Yeah. I have a food Twitter where I used to tweet everything. That's really like a core element of your brand. I like being, yeah, of course. I'm like eating at McDonald's. Yeah, all the time.

All the time. I eat McDonald's today. And yeah, and I don't eat at McDonald's. All the time. All the time. I ate McDonald's today. And yeah, and I don't eat at McDonald's all the time, but I was truly being earnest and genuine when I started eating at McDonald's every other day because like Eli went on tour to Europe and he looks down upon me for my trashy slob tastes and habits.

And when he's not around, I like to get a quarter pounder meal and a happy meal for the baby and like chill out and watch TV. Yeah, it's awesome. And McDonald's is one of the few franchises that I am nostalgic for from when I was like a we immigrant lad

Of course literally one of my earliest memories of coming to America was getting McDonald's in Central Jersey and Puking out of the side of the car. Hmm Yeah, returning to your vomit always feels good. I loved Big Macs as a kid. I used to draw pictures of it. I thought it was like, I like,

it was like amazing American sandwich. I was like, as an immigrant child, the Big Mac for me was like, I don't even eat the Big Mac hardly ever now, but yeah, I like, I loved, I I loved McDonald's since I was a kid. Always been a comfort food for me. I think it is relatively healthy. The macros are good. Because you, yeah, like you said, you don't have to stress about what to eat.

You're going to get the cows. You're going to get some nutritional value. Don't eat it all the time. Don't eat that much of it. I think I said this on an earlier episode, but it's psycho. The only meal you can get that like, avoids the inflationary pricing of Biden's America, especially with the app. It's nice to get points. Yeah. Makes you feel good. Yeah. Starbucks too, I've always loved. I like places for unemployed people to have lunch.

Yeah, it's nice. There's nothing like inauthentic about our love of McDonald's. I'll be honest with you. I think McDonald's is probably like not that good for you in the sense that all of the stuff is heavily processed and has like microplastics and carcinogens up in it. It's good for you in Europe. In Europe it's as good as any restaurant in America.

By the way it's not any worse than like corner bar or any restaurant or anywhere that you'll get a burger. Any restaurant. The food will be higher quality, but it'll still be like, you know, fried and. In seed oil. You know, it's. And it's probably the only franchise that has, that holds up to the taste test where like,

I remember going to Ikea a lot as a child and that meal was really good. I remember going to Dunkin Donuts a lot as a child and that meal was really good. I remember going to Dunkin Donuts a lot as a child. That meal was really good. And the quality has plummeted. And part of that is due to the fact that I had an unsophisticated childlike palette, obviously, and I'm like editorializing things. But also it's due to the fact that like the quality has literally gone down.

And with McDonald's, maybe that's true, maybe it's not, but the taste is the same. It tastes exactly like my youth. Yeah. And it varies on franchise, but mainly McDonald's is basically good. Trump making the fries, I bet those taste pretty good. He went up in there, he put the McDonald's uniform on. That's amazing. That's, of course I'm gonna vote for that guy.

Like obviously, how could people, anyone who knows me even be surprised? Well, the thing with the like liberal commentaria is that they like also, whatever Orman White's phrase was, defies credulity that the guy is unlikable and unpleasant. Exactly, they don't understand also that there's been, like Tucker talked about this, I think, at the rally about an alignment shift.

It's not like, it isn't actually like, fascistic and deplorable and evil to be a Trump supporter. It's like normal to want like, normal people to feel like they have like, glory and triumph and like honor and what they do. Yeah, and not that. And to see like a presidential candidate, you know, especially after Kamala lied about wearing a McDonald's.

Yeah. And wouldn't even go. It makes people feel like they're not Scrabble Rat undignified losers, which is like the Democrat party line. Yeah. They think that. Like you're literally like down market if you don't vote for us. Yeah, yeah.

You're low status if you don't vote for us. Totally, and the rally did, I really was like, I love America, I love New York, I love what this country represents, and I would love for this country to be prosperous, and I want love for this country to be prosperous and I want Trump to win. I don't expect him to deliver on his campaign promises perfectly, but I think for morale it would be...

Of course not, who can? Exactly. But that's, I said this on Twitter responding to one of these moderate centrist types, because Eric Weinstein had that tweet where he was like, not my world, not my country, not my America, I have failed in this election or something. And it was very narcissistic and grandstanding because it's like really not that complicated. People are like, oh, it's not so black and white.

It is pretty black and white. It's like, which one of these two candidates do you feel will be better for this country? Given that those are your two options your only options really of course and like Doing some quirky meme right in is really not an option It's like I see a lot of people on Instagram who are like these kind of edgy downtown artist and stylist types like being like oh, I'm just writing in like a funny meme person. And that maybe would have played in 2016, but it just feels

fraudulent and cowardly now. And by the way, if you want to vote for Kamala, because you have determined that she's the better person, like when I say better for the country, I mean better than the other one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you can abstain from voting if you don't feel called to vote for someone.

It's, yeah, it's- Well, that's another thing. You could make a case that it's your duty, but it's not really. Like it's their job to make you want to vote for them. And the Trump campaign has made me want to vote for him. If you are the type of person who is going to vote, then you vote for one or the other and you don't do the faggy, limp-wristed little write-in for internet clout. Because now is not the time.

And like I said, I have respect for unreconstructed Democratic voters who are going to vote for Kamala no matter what, even if they don't like her because they feel like she's the best choice. I have respect for totally non-political, non-ideological people who are just going to sit this out because they don't care about voting. Yeah, of course. But it's very clear if you're an IDW person and your whole like brand for the last four or six years has been how the Democrats have failed us and have corrupted all of our institutions and organizations and our values and norms,

then you have no choice but to vote for Trump. Yeah, definitely. And you just have to like bite the bullet and do it. And you don't even have to like the guy to vote for him. Why don't they like, why don't the IDW types like him? I mean, again, they'll say it's because he's, um, he's like the king of divisive and vulgar rhetoric. But that's not even true. And he spews hatred and bigotry. But that's really not what they're responding to.

What they are responding to is that he's basically undeniably popular. Yeah. And that's why they don't like him. Yeah, because I think it's threatening to them because they're like uppity and elitist. Yeah. I mean, he really like I forget who it was who said this at the rally, but they talked about it. The GOP now being a very like actually unitarian party. And it's actually it is it's just not it makes me feel gaslit because it's like the Democrats are the ones the DNC they said Trump more than any other word practically, you know, like their whole message is don't vote for Trump. Yeah, and Trump's not doing that.

Trump's not doing that. I feel like the GOP now is like an umbrella term that encompasses everyone who's not a not a Democrat loyalist. Yeah. I don't mean like hard carrying Republicans. I just I really mean like, because I wouldn't just vote for a Republican necessarily. The mainline establishment GOP sucks. I wouldn't vote for Ron DeSantis like my take on this is a little different.

We talked about this on an earlier episode again, and you were saying how you would vote for Trump because you find him personally personable likable. You enjoy his me magic whatever. He's a person who appeals to you. And I said that like, yes, I agree with all that. But that's not why I'm voting for him. I'm voting for him because I think that voting Kamala in is a point of no return for the nation. And she's an embarrassment to even our most embarrassing presidents is completely unfit, unqualified for the job. And it's not like things are gonna switch overnight

if she wins and America is gonna descend into like bloody fiery civil war. It'll be like a long drawn out process, but still I don't really want to be a part of that or like a participant or a bystander. And like my vote for Trump is irrespective of all his positive and likable qualities. I mean, I do like him.

It doesn't hurt. It helps that he has a lot. I do like him personally, but I like what he stands for. I like the idea of like, Kamala is not really like promising like a prosperous, you know, she's kind of like bribing black guys by using weed, but she's not really like, you know, as a person who like, you know, hopes to have a family in the future.

Yeah. Like I want, you know, my family to be able to be prosperous in this country. Or at least have the illusion of prosperity. I'm an immigrant. I believe in the American dream. Belittled and condescended to every step of the way. Yeah. And like at this point also, I'm like on the record many times over as like not really being a fan of the GOP and I'm not a registered Republican I have never really thought about any sort of

Personal alignment with the Republican Party, but even if Trump were not on the ticket I would probably vote Republican down ticket anyway No matter who the Republican candidate was the two, because the Dems are so hostile. I'm a registered Democrat, I think, still, because I registered to vote in the primaries. I'm probably also a registered Democrat. Bernard Sanders. I can't imagine that I'm anything else. The betrayal, for that guy who betrayed me.

Yeah. Bernie Sanders. So, yeah, I'm probably still a registered Democrat, but it doesn't me. Yeah. Bernie Sanders. So yeah, I'm probably still a registered Democrat, but it doesn't matter. Yeah. Um, in the general election, I mean. Yeah, and like another bone to pick with like our haters is when they're like, oh, well, you guys were Bernie bros. And now you're cynically pivoting. Well, there's nothing really cynical about the pivot. I think you were probably more of a Bernie bro than me,

but I was always favorable toward Bernie Sanders. I was a Bernie-crat. But like, what's wrong with changing your mind when the evidence, the data piles up that voting for the Democrats is a really bad idea. I was betrayed. It's actually a good sign that your mind is adaptable and flexible enough that you can change your mind.

The Democrats, Bernie betrayed me and I didn't like the Democrats. I liked Bernie Sanders. And then he just got absorbed into the political machinery of the Democratic Party, which I never liked to begin with. And then a bunch of COVID, all this stuff, all this stuff happened.

I don't like that kind of parody testing coming either from the left or the right, like when they're like, oh, you're not communist enough or you're not like hard right enough. What are you talking about? No, you have to use a common- That's like your problem in a nutshell. That's the kind of,

the part of the Trump campaign as being the common sense party. There was that video where Trump said, we're the common sense party. Are we, we're conservative, sort of. We might even be a little liberal. Like, that's how I feel. I'm like, I don't, you know,

I don't necessarily feel politically aligned with either party. I just don't like establishment politics and think that they haven't been good for this country for a long time. Yeah for like the last 30-50 years whatever and like what I love the most about Trump is that he is like a classic old school New York Democrat who loves gays and Jews. And it's amazing that that guy is now the figurehead, the leader of the Republican Party. Yeah.

It's inspiring. Yeah. You can be anything you want to be, anything you put your mind to. Madison Square Garden. Yeah. Sold out venue. 20,000 people. Is that how many people were in the building?

I mean, basically, yeah. That's also, I mean, it feels like obviously very energizing, exhilarating to be in a venue of that size with so many people and it was like pretty I heard a lot of people grouching in the crowd about how disorganized it was and how long the lines were but it was actually I felt pretty well organized and well run considering and there was absolutely this is something I don't know whether it's a good or a bad thing but Shout out to the young Republicans club. There was no opposition. Shout out to Gavin Wax.

For getting us in there real fast. But yeah, even I heard the general admittance wasn't so bad. Yeah, it seems like most people got in. It seems registered and got tickets. Definitely. Oh, I wanted to ask you who your favorite speaker was. Talkie. Talkie. Yeah, he's talked about seeing the Grateful Dead there.

I know I was like, I was wearing my Grateful Dead low rise, left-bran shorts in honor of Phil Lesh who had just died and I swear to God, like five different guys came up to me and were like, did you know that guy just died? I was like, yes, that's why I'm wearing the shorts, Grandpa. That's nice though. It was nice, I felt seen. Yeah, it was like your Halloween.

Yeah. I'm like, oh, you're horny for me and nagging me. I wear my Raimundo jeans. Yeah, those are good. I did Americana. We were texting the night before about whether we should look sexy and classy. Or I almost did the Joker t-shirt, sweatpants,

deplorables, you you know slob vibe but Maddie thought that we should look classy and political to show up all the conservatard women yeah but it's just not in a venue like that you know and I don't have a trouser really, so I would have been uncomfortable. It's actually hard to find a trouser. Very hard. I wish Ray Mundo would make a black low-rise

straight leg trouser. Okay. Ray Mundo, let me create a track, please. Somebody in fashion, please. I have so many good ideas. I still fuck with a high-rise trouser American apparel. Hey Los Angeles apparel Uh, they used to make a trouser like a linen pant that fit really great

But they haven't brought it back Well, as we've said before this is like the long torso versus short torso dialectic As we've said before, this is like the long torso versus short torso dialectic. You have a short torso. As a long torso girl, you can get away with a high waist. As a short torso girl, it makes me look like 10 pounds of shit in a five pound bag. So I have to go with like the mid to low rise. So true. Which was like a learning curve figuring that out.

Cause everybody wants to wear high rise because you think it's going to give you like more curve. Well. everybody wants to wear high rise because you think it's going to give you like more curve well just makes you look like a side table um yeah i have the longer torso and i also feel like i have um a weirdly big head no you have like no i'm surprised honestly this isn't even something people online have said about me that I've internalized. It's like I'm surprised people online don't mention it more. When they're hating on me, maybe they do.

But there are always things that like you're surprised that people online don't pick up on which they should. Like they'll say that we have big feet because like the nature of the iPhone camera is when you take the picture your feet are like warped and skewed and look bigger than they are but they like won't pick up on certain things like big head big head or man hands something. thing. A vascular. But yeah, no, I feel like my favorite speaker was Melania. Oh, she was incredible. Because she just stands in stark contrast to all the other conservative women, because guess what? She's not conservative. Like conservative women, it's like the Nietzsche thing.

conservative women, it's like the Nietzsche thing. Nietzsche, whatever. Women who are overly aggressively identified as right wing always have something seriously wrong with them. Even if they are bright and smart and persuasive. They got a twisted glint in the eye that you can see from a mile away. These bitches are crazy. My theory is that aggressively liberal women

are sexual sadists and aggressively conservative women are sexual masochists. Interesting. I could see the inverse being true. Me too, but that's why I'm going with this theory because a lot of these right wing broads are very publicly aggressive and ideological, but are actually probably quite submissive and private.

Sure. I don't know where I'm going with this theory, but Melania, what I love the most about- And culture dates black guys. They've beaten that up. But I think the thing that I love the most about Melania is that there's this really charming disconnect between her Amazonian physicality and her tiny voice.

Yeah. She's a very big, tall woman. But her gait is very light. It's very, you know. But then she has this very feminine submissive and she speaks in this kind of ESL AI voice. It's very poetic, you know and she's like very kind of deferential and charming and She was playing with your line if you will very kind of deferential and charming.

And she was playing with Yulan's son. If you will, yeah, so cute. With like a genuine grin on her face, which is like a moment that you don't see from Melania very often because she's like a stone-faced Eastern European woman who has to like maintain composure and save face at all times. Which she gets attacked for.

People did not like her austere Christmas decorations. That's true. But after Jill Biden did that, like, of Broadway, like Nutcracker, I think that made you feel like there was a gay guy with a boot on your neck watching it. I really missed, you know like there was a gay guy with a boot on your neck watching it. I really missed the understated quality that Melania brought to the first lady. Yeah, and I love that nobody really knows anything about her.

Nobody knows what she's thinking at any given moment. Well, she has a book out. And she handles it with good grace. Yeah, but we're not really gonna get an inside look at Melania's private passions. No, but the book will have its own, you know, we'll read it and I like, but it'll, what I really find relatable about Melania is that she is like a boring responsible mature adult who doesn't really advertise or broadcast her like private passions.

I don't really care. Do you? Yeah, she's almost like lacking in personality, which I like. Like I think that's how you should be in the world. Yeah, she doesn't inflict herself. She's very yeah, she's wonderful. Yeah. Yeah, she's wonderful.

Yeah. Elon. Yeah, I think him bringing his mom and his son was really cute. I liked his little autistic gestures. He's really grown on me. He had a new type of mega hat. Yeah, with the dark. It's a bestseller now. And then he had the goth one.

Yeah. I'm like charmed by his reddit-ness, you know? And I like that he is like the richest guy in the world. That really is like, I'm like, it's awesome that this guy's up here right now and he's the richest guy in the world. And he made the Rockets, Trump talked about the Rockets, of course. Yeah. And when people like try to talk down to him and they're like, oh, he's not that bright.

He's not that special. It's not that he's not bright or he's only special. It's that he's like autistic. Yeah. He's a gay nerd, which makes him vulnerable to criticism. I really liked Vivek's comment when he said, like, people ask me all the time, like Vivek, why are you in New York when you can be campaigning in a swing state? And he was like, well, guess what? New York is a swing state. I mean, we'll see. We'll see. But that's actually what they're saying about New Jersey and New York. And that's kind of hopeful and inspiring. And realistically, I was thinking another thing that contributed to like the energy

and momentum of the evening, and that's reflective of the campaign in general, is that Trump really has this time around a really impressive pool of talent. He does. I know that sounds like really gay and delusional. No, true. I mean, totally. Like Elon Musk is a very powerful person. Yeah, like anybody who is capable of thinking for themselves is on Team Trump.

I don't. Yeah, but I agree, but I don't think it's fair because the echo chamber is so real. But you think about like last time Trump won, like who did he have like Sean Spicer and Anthony Scaramucci and these like weird oddballs. Yeah, no, there's definitely, there's been- And bridge burners. There's been, no, there's definitely there's been and bridge burners. Many shift, you know, but yeah, and it's like, okay, like I was

thinking about like who was on stage that night. Like I have my issues with the back, but he's obviously like very bright and persuasive and says all the right things. Yeah, that black guy, Myron. I don't know. The black guy who looked like ice. He don't know his name. The black guy. Who looked like Ice Cube. He's like a congressman.

Yeah. I was like, cool, black, cool based black guy. Interesting. He was kind of cute in the way that Tariq Neshida is. I like a thick black man. Yeah. And it's like, okay, Vance, who again also has his flaws, but he's like the kind of reasonable, articulate compliment to Trump's meme magic.

It's really nice to have a thoughtful and intelligent guy in the running for once who's not a total retard. I like that he's like scrolling right wing Twitter, but not totally beholden to it. I like that he's the future of the GOP because he is young. All these people are relatively young. If he facts young too, he mentioned he was bragging about how he's the youngest person. That's young for politics.

To run, well, you have to be 35 to run for prize. I can't even run. I'm too young for politics. I shouldn't even, you know. Elon, yeah, like, okay, he's cringe and corny and probably not the best dad ever, but he's also a guy who is the richest man in the world and he has a positive vision for society. And I think that he's really moved the needle

as far as other tech oligarchs go. So you have like guys like Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos kind of gesticulating to the fact that they're open to Trump. Maybe they haven't fully endorsed him. I mean, we can talk about the Wape Bo and LA Times like non endorsements, but it's like Bezos owns the Washington Post. That seems like kind of a big deal. Tucker. I mean, Mr. America. He's like such a class act.

Yeah. And he has that like tourist man energy where he's kind of a homebody, but down for a fight. I'm using my dry mouth. You're like cancer patients, right? Yeah, and it's all these like, a lot of broadcasters use that. Outstanding, exceptionally, relatively young people.

Yeah, no, it was for the most part, yeah. But it just went on so long and well, early on they brought out the live painter. Oh, Scott LoBiDo. Who I saw in the news today, also talking about how the art world's rejected him for his politics when, you know, that's not quite the case. It was so hilarious when he went on stage

and he was like, I came to New York City, like bright-eyed, bushy-tailed, hoping to be accepted by the art world and they rejected me because I liked God, girls and guns. And I was like, that's not why they rejected you. Come on now, it's because you're... Because you're a vulgar, weird guy who makes bad art. And at one point he said,

I got a message for the art world and he did two middle fingers. And then he made a live painting of a flag, a billowing American flag. And then at the end, he pulled a tab that revealed a Photoshopped image of Trump hugging the Eiffel Tower. Wait, no, it was the Empire State Building. Oh, the Empire State Building.

No, he's amazing because his paintings look like Jasper Johns' Childe Hassam. It's like the textbook image from history class of all the American flags billowing, but it's like vulgar and retarded. Yeah. And that was really exciting. And so I wish that they had done something like that,

like midway through, because after that, it was a real slog. Yeah. But like, who do the Democrats have? They have like Beyonce and Leonardo DiCaprio and like AOC's possibly pregnant ass and like that fat girl who works for Joe Biden. And like, I don't know who, I mean,

the other of the other rallies I've been to, the first being a very sparsely attended Bernie rally in Lincoln Heights, Los Angeles, a very impoverished Hispanic neighborhood where I was living in a live work space with my libertarian roommate, Dennis. And we went and he actually also was sort of receptive to Bernie because he was very like wonky he was talking about like fixing potholes he was really like you know and I don't remember him having any speakers though maybe he did and then the second time when he announced his but again I just went with Adam to

see him at Brooklyn College that I I remember. And he had that, what's that white black guy? Sean King. Yeah. Talcom X. Talcom X and like he had all these like establishment dems kind of coming out and like making him seem more woke and more which huge misfire. So I don't know who they have. I mean, I watched the DNC. They also had, you know, they had like disabled people and like

Amelie's sister and like all random. It's like the D-Link rally, which was like the German socialist party where they had literally like an AGP and like a black guy in a wheelchair. Like the new face of Germany. That's awesome. It was literally like funny, like when conservatives take to Twitter and use their scant knowledge of art history to be like, this is like the Weimar era.

No wonder Hitler sent them all to the camps. And look, yeah, look at these beautiful Hitler paintings and stuff. But I bet they don't even have Beyonce. Yeah, look at these beautiful Hitler paintings and stuff. But I bet they don't even have Beyonce. No, I think they probably do. Really? I feel like Beyonce must be on Team Kamala. I mean, she is, but she's, I don't think she's going to show up at the rallies.

She's not showing up to rallies. I remember my favorite part of the Kamala Harris opportunity agenda for black men was when everybody started tweeting out the picture of Sean King. That's so funny. Oh, okay. What is on Trump's side, even after he said all that foul shit about her bleeding all of her plastic surgery scars. Cardi B is Kamala. This is the list of people performing at Kamala's Milwaukee rally on Friday. Cardi B, which I get surprised by that DJ Gemini Gilly?

Glorilla flow Millie the Eilie brothers MC sleep I sleep brothers. Oh my god MC light Another rap act I used to listen to glow Rilla And that's it. I do. Before I forget have one minor bone to pick with Megyn Kelly. Yeah. Why? Because she's been on fire lately.

She's been looking harder than ever She's always been such a beautiful woman But like lately the glow-up has been so insane and I didn't think it was humanly possible to look that good after 50 Which is honestly also inspiring and hopeful but She was you know, she was on Bill Maher Totally like owning the trans lobby, describing in gruesome detail what trans kids actually entail. She was on some conference stage with Chammoth talking about how the lawfare against Trump is totally trumped up and bullshit.

She's been really, really good lately. But I saw some live stream with her where she was Trump is totally trumped up and bullshit. She's been really, really good lately. But I saw like some live stream with her where she was talking about how the Trump rally was bro-tastic. And the rhetoric was alienating to potential female Trump voters, which I have to say feels untrue.

feels untrue? He hasn't, you know, he hasn't gone on a female plot girl. That is true. There were definitely like some guys there who made me glad they weren't serving alcohol. Yeah, that's true. But it wasn't overwhelming. It wasn't, but there, yeah, I wouldn't say it was like the- And there were a lot of women in attendance.

There were, of course. Yeah, I would never say it was like the defining characteristic, but I seek what she means, I guess. But like they brought a couple of bimbos out. Yeah, but I guess my question to her is like, well, number one, why wasn't she speaking? She should have taken the stage. She really should have. I know she would have done an amazing job.

And number two, like what kind of change you want to see in the US. And but also like, what kind of rhetoric would you feel is sufficiently woman friendly? Like, do you want Trump to weigh in on abortion, a nuclear issue that he can't really touch and that he's actually been pretty upfront about that he's like not that interested in an abortion ban and does make exceptions for like rape and incest and the quality of life of the mother and or the child. He obviously is like,

do you want him to talk about like age gap relationships? Like, well, that's sort of, yeah, He obviously is not pro-life. Do you want him to talk about age gap relationships? Well, that's sort of, yeah, the question, begs the question, what even is a woman's issue? It's abortion. It's kind of, unfortunately in America, because there are so many childless, abortive women, it is kind of the women's issue par excellence

and any rhetoric about like families isn't necessarily like female coded. But was it Vance who said that they were gonna introduce a like a tax incentive for people taking care of family members? Maybe that sounds like a Vansism. You know, like there is, like that's a lot of women are taking care of family members. Not just children, but the elderly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like exempting children, like anyone who's caring for a family member. Yeah.

But she did have that really good line where she was like, listen, I'm inoffensible. I'm not offended by anything. Yeah. So I don't really fully understand why she had to go with that line in that moment. Maybe she's mad he won't go on her show. He would though.

I don't know if he would. Because she's, you know, been hostile to him in the past. He might have a grudge. She's what? She's been hostile to him in the past. I know, but like. She was the one he said she's bleeding out of her eyes. She's bleeding out of her.

No, I know. He said some really actually horrific, foul things about her. She probably was on her period though. She was being a weird bitch to him. She probably still gets her period. Right. But no, I think it's actually like very cool

and brave of her to be on team Trump. Oh yeah. Even though he really just like fully unapologetically insulted her. Said she was on her period. But that's not sometimes you are on your period and you're being unreasonable. And well, that's the thing with us women. We can't be trusted because we will always have a woman moment. Yeah, exactly. That's like,

probably should be the president because women are unstable. They have hormonal. They have well they have hormonal fluctuations that cause them to feel. Well I was thinking about this with regard to Hillary because I saw Azalea Banks tweeting about how like Trump is actually much more conscientious and humane than people give him credit for and Kamala's like a monster and an automaton and you're retarded if you vote for Kamala and how she's Nostalgic for Hillary Clinton and I sometimes get the same impression where I'm like Oh like Hillary Clinton anything anything is better than this like. Like now we have like AOC and the squad. Yeah. Like anything is better than the new crop of female Democrat politicians. But then I remember like the

famous Christopher Lash essay. It's not that famous. It's actually completely obscure. Famous on this party. Yes. As in which is my favorite thing that he's ever wrote, not like revolt of the elites, not the culture of narcissism. It's Hillary Clinton child saver, which was like an essay from the nineties that I've referenced many times on this pod where he talks about how the Hillary lobby wanted to reform education in America by arguing that children were individuals and as such were like any other special interest group that deserved representation in American political life. And Lash clapped back at this viciously and was like, okay, everyone, even the most progressive social reformers

and social scientists of like the late 19th, early 20th century were on the record as saying that like, well, children are not the same as any other special interest group, like women or blacks or other minorities because they're literally in an earlier developmental stage and cannot be trusted to make decisions in their own best interest.

And it's like, I have a toddler. Like if it were up to him, he would be watching TV and eating candy all day. We saw his Halloween costume. Yeah, we would have to airlift him out of here. Yeah, of course. Because he would be like big pun and fat Joe Maxing. And the other point that is the more important point

is this idea that like the Hillary Clintonites of the world wanted to shift the burden of proof onto parents from educators, bureaucrats, social workers, guidance counselors, these random strangers who purported to be like the guardians of American children, which is preposterous because the assumption should be that the parents are the most fit. What do you mean by the burden of proof? Like to demonstrate fitness.

Oh, yeah. Which is ridiculous, right? It's preposterous because of course like- Just let some psycho path ruin your kid's life. Yeah, some like random stranger who's like hired and credentialed. And like the fact of the matter is like Democrats love to do this thing where they like fixate on extreme fringe cases of like neglect and abuse

to argue that actually experts and educators. The state should step in and. Right. And Lash's fundamental argument was that these people want to pretend that children should be represented as individuals, but really want to make them and their parents like perma clients of like the democratic welfare state, which is so true.

And when you really think about it, Hillary Clinton, as much as I get nostalgic for her from time to time, was the one who initiated the slippery slope that led to trans kids, even though she at the time couldn't have seen it coming and probably didn't want it. Like I think if you- But that's the thing, the Clintons are so nefarious. Yeah. As he said, like they, we talked about this on like our Haiti episode, like they, we don't, you know, we don't talk about neoliberalism so much anymore, but they really laid the groundwork. They were like foundational in like what has followed. Yeah, and they're like really foundational on the attack on America's children.

NAFTA. I mean, America's future. The Clintons destroyed America. Like, I think there's a case to be made for that. Yeah. And then like, so when people condescend to me about being a Trump supporter. It's like, what are you talking about? Like this country's broken. I know. What did Glenn Greenwald say you lost in the most embarrassing way possible? I just wanted us a little filler. I wanted that Glenn Greenwald glow on the debate

or the election night live stream, you know? But I guess I have to go to Brazil. I don't know. I just wanted to look fantastic. Like Glenn Greenwald. But not in Brandon's America. Why isn't he on the flyer? He's too good for her. He hates very wise. We just have to wear our MAGA hats. No, I'm going to look classy. So Franklin's has a meltdown.

You girls really smoking cigarettes? I hope they let us at least the thing about the rally too that I hated was that they don't let you vape. Yeah, Why not? Because Trump said- Because it's like the Maddie Hassan, Ryan Gerdusky thing. Cause there might be an explosive in the vape. There's a lot of explosive in the vape. And Trump said he was going to bring back the flavored vapes. Right.

Which is something I wanted to talk to him about on this female- Yeah. Yeah. He didn't talk about vapes. He didn't talk about incandescent bulbs. No one talked about the real female issues. This is why you should be the press secretary. And I should be the border czar. You'd be a great border czar.

I'll be sending them back. Selectively. Yeah, I'm just like, I would give gift cards for all of you. It's like, you know, when you go on a plane and it's like overbooked I'm just like, I would support a gift cards for all of you. It's like, you know, when you go on a plane and it's like overbooked and they're like, we'll give you $500, $700, $1,000 to take the next plane out of Colorado and you're like sitting there and it's always like some Roxanne gay lesbian

with like a missing leg and a sweatsuit who takes the bait. Yeah. like a missing leg in a sweatsuit who takes the bait. Yeah. I would be really good at incentivizing illegal immigrants to leave in a peaceful and generous manner. I would not put anybody into camps. I would not separate any families. Of course not. There's some Scandinavian country that gives them

quite a sizable amount of money honestly. Yeah. Um, that I heard about. I don't, I don't know the details, but I heard about something like that. I think it's not viable to send them all back, but like some of them can be incentivized, you know, and we should definitely stop more of them coming. It seems like, sorry to say, I don't, you know. Yeah, I mean, I have a lot of thoughts on immigration,

which I probably should not err upon this podcast. I mean, it's just so, to me, it's not even about like, the immigrants, refugees, who I have like a humanitarian normal care for, it's the Democrats use them to vote for that they create a population to vote for them, which seems insanely corrupt and evil. Yeah, they're like vote by.

And make them like boards, yeah, of the state. That it is like when people are like, oh, well, like the great replacement theory is like a harebrained right wing conspiracy. It's actually not because Democrats are importing like busloads, plane loads of people to the United States whose children will then vote Democrat. And I mean, their children might not not necessarily but they for sure. Well, because that's what they are at bare minimum, like replacing voters with bought and paid for agents who are being used as pawns. Yeah, I have like

actually like at the end of the day great sympathy for people and families it's super hard and I hate the fact that people have to leave where they live and go live somewhere else amongst because of the Clintons amongst strangers and like maybe their quality of life is like materially better but it's not necessarily spiritually better. I don't think it's materially better. I think for some people it is, sure. Like if you live in a war torn ass, like there's like war, like El Salvador,

you know, or something like for sure. Wait, I thought El Salvador was nice now. It is nice now but before, you know, like something like for sure. Wait, I thought El Salvador was nice now. It is nice now, but before, you know, like if you are living like under constant threat of like murder and gang violence, of course living in America doing whatever is better. It seems like if you're a country that resists the urge of capitulating to American imperialism, which is extremely costly and painful, that you can make your country a safe place to live and then people then don't want to leave. Yeah.

Yeah, people in El Salvador are very happy now. But you'll be totally destroyed and... But who cares? Yeah, but your date, like, I don't know. And it takes... You're just a Salvadorian person. Now I'm like making a case for Bukele. You're just, I mean, Bukele did a hundred

percent the right thing. El Salvador was the most dangerous country in the world and now it's, I saw the people there be like, like people love Bukele there. He's did a very good thing. Is that like people get got really mad at the tweet that I fired off during the rally, which was like obviously a mean and negative spin on Vivek's extremely positive and inspiring comments when he was like talking about how he has a message for everyone. He was like, I have a message for zoomers. I have a message for women. I have a message for legal immigrants. Like if you came to this country lawfully, according to the standard established protocol, you deserve to be here, you deserve to live a life of dignity and abundance, and you will be equally represented.

That was essentially Vivek's message. And during the rally, I made a mean joke, a mean tweet where it was like, our message to legal immigrants is you're going back to. It was very, very clearly a joke. People got mad at me, but there is a kernel of truth and in a way they're right to get angry at me because there is a big problem with legal immigration that's almost as bad, if not worse than the problem with illegal immigration because when you replace Americans with immigrants legally at a rapid fire pace, those people are really not going to have the same cultural values and norms? Well, the issue is what the quotas are for legal immigration.

Like if it's legal for like Haiti, all those people are legal immigrants. They're like technically legal, right? They're not illegal. Like illegal doesn't just mean like scary. Like there's tons of legal immigrants that Democrats once again bring here to vote for them. So they are legally here. They may not be citizens even.

There are various loopholes and technicalities. But they're here on visas or they like some of them are naturalized and then I mean that's like that's just clearly so problematic. I'm a legal immigrant. I don't object to legal immigration. I'm not so delusional and arrogant and hypocritical as to say like after me and my family the door slams shut. Yeah you don't want to leave. You don't want to go back to Russia. Yes, but I'm willing to take that L. You're willing to go back to Russia? If you want to deport me for the health of the nation,

by all means. No way. But I have to bring my American baby and my American baby daddy with me. That's my criteria. But okay, if you want to send me back, by all means. But like, when you... No, I'm not going back, I'm not going back.

I'm not going back to Belarus. When you bring in a bunch of people who come from fundamentally incompatible cultures, legally at a rapid fire pace that presents its own problems. That's not an opinion. It's not a judgment. It's not a judgment. It's not a subjective thing. It is literally true. And you can agree or disagree

with whether that's a good or bad thing, but you can't deny that that is a reality is all I'm saying. Well, people just conflate immigrants into a broad category. I'm willing to listen to the argument that they make our lives richer and more diverse. Sure. We have to allow prosperous people from other countries who want to live here to live here to see what America is about. Like, yeah, but what the Democrats have done is not It's like flagrantly corrupt, totally crazy.

And like legal immigration is good, as long as like what is counts as legal immigration makes sense for the country. Yeah. And you can't deny that like people from murderers and stuff like you can't let a murderer in here. That's like illegal immigrants, right? And like I said before, they're given some kind of everybody agrees that there's a problem with illegal immigration, whether you're a right wing or left wing. The difference comes down to what you think the problem is. Right-wingers

pay non-white minorities and don't want them in the country period. Left-wingers think that it's a problem of resources and amnesty and there's not enough of it going around and that sort of thing. But with legal immigration, it becomes a much tougher problem because, as I said before, they're taxpaying, they're law abiding. They're very often high achieving. This is from NBC. More than 13000 immigrants convicted of homicide. Are living outside of ICE detention.

They are part of ICE's non-detained docket, meaning the agency has some information, but they are pending immigrant cases in the US, but they are not currently in detention either because they're not prioritized for detention. But that's like, that's illegal immigration. Those are illegal immigrants. Those are the people that were, that they were, you know,

the ads that they were streaming during the rally. But that's so many. Yeah, that's insane and unconscionable, but everybody agrees. Most immigrants, okay. What I'm talking about is the thing that I tried to say, 23 with the Vivek. Okay.

Yeah. Which is that when you import massive numbers of legal immigrants from non-Western cultures, you are going to have a cultural crisis because there is going to be a fundamental objective, not subjective, not my opinion, not up for debate, cultural clash, because people have different values and norms. And at some point that level of immigration

will reach a critical mass where America no longer resembles itself. And you may think that that's good or you may think that that's bad, but you have to accept that that's what's gonna happen. Well, okay, so like the naturalization process per this NBC News article, more than only 49% of immigrants in the US

are naturalized US citizens. The rest are either permanent residents, legal temporary residents, i.e. they're here on some refugees or work visa status, and then 23%, which is a lot, are unauthorized, undocumented. But the process of naturalization is meant ideally, to like... To vet and filter people. Yeah, and my parents literally had to take a test about America, you have to... Yeah, by the way, I say this with full acknowledgement

of the fact that if I had to take that test, I would not pass it. I don't know how my parents passed it. My dad, I can see, but my mom, I don't know. You would study. Yeah, I don't. But regardless, the test itself is sort of arbitrary, but there is a process by which immigrants are naturalized.

That's what naturalization means. It means you are adhering to, but less than half of the immigrants are naturalized. But ideally the process of naturalization would account for, would be what you're describing, which would account for the cultural differences. It would mean that you have internalized, naturalized in some like, the cultural differences, it would mean that you like have internalized, naturalized in some way, like American values, American,

you know, and obviously you'll be different, but that's, you'll be able to assimilate. Yes, it's like the, the Kadehi ordeal of civility thing where you, um, we agree to have some holidays that represent you in exchange for you agreeing to assimilate and adapt and become kind of a deracinated American. A naturalized person, yeah. That's the American dream. And by the way, I'm gonna sound like a huge libtard here, but I like immigrants. Like I live in downtown Chinatown, New York City. I love immigrants. I live in the UN.

We're all immigrants. We've contributed to this country. We deserve to stay here. But I would just like a basic acknowledgement of the fact that the foundational culture of America will be profoundly altered. If a large amount of immigrants are allowed to come in who aren't naturalized correctly, but that could be different. It's not an immigration issue necessarily. I mean, the volume is the issue, but you know you can like, you can have immigrants

and you can naturalize them. You can, that's the vision. And there are some people like Vivek. He's naturalized? Who? Usha Vance? She's a naturalized immigrant. Who are, well he's the he's the child of immigrants. I don't know about Usha. I don't know if she's an immigrant or the child of immigrants, possibly a child of immigrants regardless. Yeah. But these are people who seem to have at least an intellectual grasp.

Of the founding American myth. I mean, but the thing is, like, you know, like my parents are liberals. Yeah. And that's because that's like, and a lot of, the thing is there aren't like Anglo-Saxons, the Wasp is dead. Yes, that's true.

The Wasps are all libtards. So when immigrants assimilate into, they become the new wasps. Yeah, because they want to be high achieving. And that's the signaling of the Democratic Party is that you don't want to be deplorable and down market by voting for Trump. You want to be good and prosperous and civil and American like Democrats.

So like Usha Vance and people like that are like exemptions. Really like what it means to be an American is like complicated. Yeah. And for a lot of people it is like, yeah, it's like holding these like liberal values that they... Yeah, like values like tolerance and fair play, which come back to bite you in the ass when there's too much of them. Yeah, but that's very waspy also in a paradoxical way. It's like the wasps, they're just innocent.

But that's my big argument against the right wing because it's like, well, you forfeited your own civilization. You laid down and took it. Yeah, no, they have, wasps are so fucked. They have this like white man's burden and like they're either like alcoholics or they become like hyper therapy, a kind of like li lived hard, you know?

And that's like, there's, it's the, that standard is very like, diffused, you know? When I went to the Huda Abedin purse party in the Hamptons that I got randomly, mistakenly invited to, when Maddie and I went to that, it was like, all those people were wasps. And it is that kind of like wasp politeness

that is almost like the problem with like Democrats. You know, is that they have this decorum. That's why Trump is offensive to them. You know, they hate like this like vulgar tone of MAGA. But I think what MSG really made me feel and I think obviously not like, you know, people calling it a Nazi rally and stuff, but actually I was like, no, this is actually extremely like civilized and humane. It was like friendly and congenial.

But like people like Vans, like, you know, they're not, he's definitely not a wasp. Vivek's not a wasp. Yeah. Like the future of, I mean, Vance is a white man married to an Indian woman. Yeah. He went to Yale, but he like, you know, it's from a... He's a hick. He's definitely like...

He had his own ordeal of civility. Well, he sure did. That he did. Yeah. But it was an ordeal. Yeah. So I guess to make a long story short, I'm not against legal immigration. Obviously, I cannot be.

But I think the process has to be really contained, controlled. You're against excessive immigration across the board. Yeah. And I don't like that's why I keep I'm like sounding like Richard Spencer now. I don't think so. I think you're me. No, I literally am because he had a tweet about this earlier where he where he was like we have more to fear from legal immigration versus illegal immigration. he was like, we have more to fear from legal immigration versus illegal immigration. I mean, they're not murderers, hopefully. No, well, that's the thing. They're definitely not. They're actually way scary. Again, very law abiding taxpaying by the book, relatively

conservative citizens who do the right thing and love their family. So what's wrong? I mean, nothing exactly other than that they will profoundly alter not only the demography, but the culture of America as is. But they always have. But they always have. The Jews did. America was, I think of America really as a Jewish country

and the way the Trump campaign. We definitely don't think of America as a Jewish country. I mean the way we're, everyone's chilling for Israel. Like, you know, Jews really built this, you know. Israel's really getting on my nerves lately. I'm kind of sick of Israel. I'm not even doing a pro-Zionist, but I'm talking about like New York,

Hollywood, like America as a concept is, the Jews made that. The Jews made advertising, the Jews made marketing, the Jews made everything. They made Christmas music. They made everything. They made everything that we like hold dear. And so

culturally like. But the Jews are an interesting case because they are rootless cosmopolitan who have no country and no land. All these other groups that are coming in now do have very distinct identities. They have Israel and distinct nationalities. Yeah, they have two countries. They they're literally like dipping their hands into both pots and then rubbing them together. Seriously, you mean Indians and Chinese? Yes. Yeah.

I mean, the Chinese are pretty, you know, they have their Chinatowns and they're pretty they kind of keep to themselves. Yeah. The Indians I didn't don't have negative associations with. Yeah, but can understand, you know, why some would, especially because they're so high achieving. But I definitely, yeah, I mean, when Honor came on here, it was how the Indian century, I was like, what? It is the Indians.

I mean, Indians are very impressive and remarkable. They're like the new Jews. That was Honor's point that we've gone from the Jewish century to the Indian century. I'm holding up with a Rusyn century. Ruthenian is going to rise. People don't understand. There's this niche kind of nebulous Eastern European group. Yeah.

That's actually. Yeah. That's actually, yeah. What rise to great prominence? I mean, obviously, I like everyone and get along with everyone and want everybody to prosper and succeed. But on a theoretical aspirational level, I do believe in the Anglo myth of greatness. I like the myths.

Even though Anglos are fundamentally disappointing. They are, they drop the ball. It's their fault. I'm really, I, you know, the race mixing seems intriguing and good, you know. You would say that. Of course. Yeah, I'm looking forward to your interracial baby. So many races. I asked Razeeb.

So, yeah, my boyfriend's obviously a quarter Indian via Trinidad. And I sent Razeeb the 23andMe. I was almost gonna ask Steve and I was like, you know what, I was like, don't bug Steve. Hit Razeeb with the sun, especially cause he's Indian. But he said the Trinidadian Indians are like Mongrels and so all that data is like useless basically. They're like the Belarusians. They're like they have their own thing going on.

So it's like Bengali, North, South, Sri Lanka, and it's like throwing out every... Nicki Minaj who just endorsed Trump. Well she she's Afro Caribbean. She's part Indian. She is. Yeah. She has a fully Indian last name. Wow. She's a beautiful Indian. She's out of a Bollywood movie.

Cardi B. That's disappointing. That's disappointing because historically, Dominicans have been some of Trump's most loyal soldiers. Yeah, I know. That's surprising. And Cardi B also seems like contrary to her reputation as like a stripper and a grocery store clerk. Very not reality. Reality TV star, much like Donald J.

Trump. Yeah, she's very bright and with it. Yeah. She's not retarded. She sounds retarded. Yeah, but. But so do we. But she's, yeah, she's, has wisdom.

But who knows? I don't know what's going on with her these days. I hadn't heard of any of the other black people. But as a hip hop historian, you were familiar. I mean, a lot of rappers are pro Trump because they have the same lifestyle. Yeah. I mean, while they just also they don't a lot of I've said this before. I don't think black people like being like pander to and told they have to vote for like quasi vaguely black candidate. Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of black people are basically like a lot of people period in that they're like sheeple and corny and just like followers.

But among them, of course, are exceptional individuals who are self made. I don't know. It'll be interesting to see the polling data because black people go on TikTok and they know what's going on. I mean, I think we like to think this, but probably the polling data is not so flattering. And most black people who are voters are Democrats. That's what I'm assuming. Like, I really don't know. I feel like I'm maybe I'm like delusional.

I think there's probably a strong minority of black men who really like Trump and will vote for him. Yeah. And there's probably like a less strong but more populous minority of black men who like Trump and what he stands for, but will not make it to the polls. Right. Because they on the corner. They're caught up. Yeah.

They're busy. They don't register to vote for sure. But still there's, I don't know. My trainer told me he's gonna vote for Trump. Yeah, damn. Even after all that Haitian rigmarole. He doesn't care. He doesn't give a fuck.

He doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't even know what year he was born. I mean, black guys don't love black women. No. No. It's black women. There's a Freudian, they don't, you know. Yeah, but they don't have positive associations. Well, but that's like any man who has no positive associations with his own kind of

woman. He's like trying to flee her by marrying an Asian. But white guys will fall in love, white men for Kamala, white guys, they're, I don't know. They're higher in cooperativeness. Whatever. Do we have, should we call it? We did an hour 45.

Oh yeah, that's fine. And we've gone on for like what else could some racial. I was going to complain about or not complain complain about but like opine about the WAPO and LA Times thing, but I don't even think we need to because there's nothing to be said. I mean, it's Yeah, and I'm like fine with Letting a sleeping dog is why for sure. It's no one reads that and people just read the New York Post Hardly Constantly. Yeah. Okay well I guess yeah we'll see you guys after the election. All right. Catch us on the Barry We, a live stream on YouTube. And we'll see you now.

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