Red Scare - Martyr Supreme

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

The ladies review Marty Supreme and discuss the Minneapolis ICE shooting.

recording before we do our great riffs okay we're we're back we're back wow it's no we did one no it's our first part it's our first episode of 2026 yeah happy new year everyone happy new year feels long but i guess it's only been a week yeah well we've been on break and now we're back. And now we're giving the people that they want. Which is a review

of Josh Softie's new film Marty Supreme. Marty Supreme. I was trying to think of some kind of supreme

pun. Martyr Supreme. Interesting. Wow. I was like Marty's Supreme drop. Like Marty.

Yeah. Well, Well, yeah, Tennis, table tennis supreme. I don't know. Well, it is. I had like fatty Supreme but it doesn't make sense.

Well, the funny thing is like this movie is ostensibly on the surface. Like a period dramedy, but it's not really at all. And the title is like stupid little NYC Wigger, which is appropriate to the context. I was also thinking about Supreme, but I wanted to maybe, if we get around to it, touch on the ice shooting and the events in Minneapolis and maybe Maduro and Greenland. If we get to it, we'll see. There's so much to talk about with this movie.

I don't even know where to begin. It already feels so far away. Well, did you like it? No. No, no, not no. not no not no okay I really have to give credit

to Josh Softy because he's amazingly smart and talented it's true and very challenging as a filmmaker and challenging

I don't how so he annoys me a lot but he also impresses me a lot challenging for you yeah because I feel like it's real crowd pleasing stuff. Yeah. But yeah, I like, you know, in the spirit of the movie, I guess I can be very forward and say that like I appreciate him and what he does. So I don't want to be like overly hard

on him. Plus, you know, Lenz getting up there in age and he's going to need an internship. Right. Well, that's, I liked it. Yeah, I mean, I, I've, I've one of the best movies. of the year. Yeah. Well, it's early in the year. Well, I guess it's the 2025, yeah. Of 2025, I'd say.

Which a lot of people are saying, and I feel like it's because it's kind of the last one that came out. Yeah. And I kind of liked Eddington more. I know I have my critiques at the time. And I like Marty Supreme. I thought my favorite thing about probably all the Safty movies is like the atmosphere. Of gambling addiction.

Yeah. No, no. that's, yeah, that I like, but just in general, like, I think he's very detail-oriented. And he's very incredible at, like, crafting atmosphere. And, like, they're very, like, emotionally driven, which I like. Yeah, they're very high octane anxiety-inducing. These are movies that, like, spike your cortisol. Yeah.

Oh, when I went to see it at the final match at the end, the theater started smelling, like, smoke. And it was in matinees. There wasn't that many people there. But everyone was like, everyone was like looking around at each other. And then eventually we were like, do you guys smell like a while?

And I was like, am I? So I was really anxious. You're like, I was like, having an aneurysm? Well, or like, am I going to die in like a movie theater fire? It's like the camps. It's just like the camps. And should I walk out?

Yeah. In the last like five minutes of Marty Supreme because I can't. But I stayed. I was like, I guess I'll figure it out. One of the, I, I expected to like this movie a lot less than I did. Because I'm very on the fence about uncut gems. As you know, I'm like the number one uncut gems hater. Yeah.

Even though, of course, I recognize like its impact, its significance. Well, it's very similar to gems. Which I want to talk about. But basically, I was going into it. I looked at the runtime and like kind of groaned to myself and was really dreading it because it is so long it's like two and a half hours long. I mean that's like properly, you know. Yeah. And my thing is like a movie should be like an hour 30 tops.

But of course. Yes. But I actually like I felt like it went by a lot quicker than I thought it would. Yeah. It doesn't drag. Yeah. The length ultimately didn't end up bothering me that much, if at all. Well, you don't really like move the movie theater.

No, it's such an ordeal now because I, you know, I go to like one of the big movie theaters. I'm not going to docks myself. And it's so like unpleasant and sensationalist. And you have to sit through, you know, like 30 minutes of previews. I know. The start time was 120, but the movie actually began at like 150. and I find that whole process very unpleasant and it was demeaning.

I really like that. I'm not going to jocks myself either. Yeah. But I really like the theater I go to. Yeah. But some, not so much. So, yeah, the movie is loosely based on Marty Reisman, who was a famous hustler and table tennis player.

It stars Timothy Shalameh, obviously. he's playing Adam Friedland. Dead ass. Should have been my boy Adam. Yeah. That scene where Marty Mouser is groveling before Milton Rockwell is pure Adam. I love his acne scars

and his unibrow in his glasses. I loved his impatient knee bouncing. The little details. He's like a classic LES, Ellis Island, Jewish stereotype. Timothy Shalmay should play Kafka. They're actually a Kafka movie came out this year. Oh shit.

Called Franz. That was like some, it like played at the quad for a couple weeks. It's some like European movie. Yeah. I didn't see it, but I can't imagine anyone would. Yeah. Who doesn't like already care about Kafka? There's a star-steaded cast.

Timothy Chalame, obviously Gwyneth Paltrow Nomi Fry. I think Emily Schubert Isaac Mzrahue

Isaac Mzrahi Tyler the creator I'm gonna say a little haterish I'm gonna temper it I thought Timmy was Tim Shalem

Tim Shalemi Tim Dahlom I thought he was good, great but I wasn't like blown away. Everyone's really, first of all, the unilateral,

like effusive praise for the movie. Uh-huh. It's a little much. Well, that's what happened with uncut gems too. Because like you said, it's, the softies are good at like delivering crowd pleasers.

But like, no one, you know, like even, like, and I know every director like makes the same movie and it's a good movie.

and it's a good movie. I like the movie, but it is a little like formulaic. Yeah, I mean, the glaze is legendary, and then people talk about Timothy, the best, you know,

he's the best performance. And I'm like, it's good, but it's not like, I don't know. I mean, okay, he's not funny.

That's probably what I was thinking about why I didn't, wasn't like so impacted by it. But he's supposed to be funny, right? But it kind of falls flat. He's really not funny. funny and I think that's his big

the like weak spot as an actor and when I think about actors like or performances that I really do think are great they're usually like I think Robin William you know like yeah or like Philip Seymour Hoffman yeah yeah they have they're able to like be funny right and he's obviously super tapped in super like locked in really like channeling Marty inhabiting this character given it is all but watching clips of the Adam Friedland show to prepare

there's not enough like rhythmic variation yeah yeah he his performance I have to say I agree with you was kind of one note which is fine and it was good yeah but the way people are talking about it is and the movie in general it was just a little much I do be like that yeah

um like it's not it can't be that great Like, there's no movie that is possibly this good that everyone thinks it's the best movie they've ever fucking seen. I know, but people are also so starved for anything resembling good. Yeah, no, that's true. And I think Josh Softie knows that. And so there's a lot of, like, I was worried that that this movie would be kind of more of a sequence of memes or a movie product, like Uncut

gems was versus like an actual film. And I really still stand by my take that the Softies changed what movies are for better or for worse with that film. And much like Uncut Gems or Good Time, this movie retreads the usual Softie stomping ground. It's Josh Softie's first film after splitting from his brother. And it's, uh, I didn't see Bunny's movie. I didn't either, but his brother also has.

the sports movie out. It was the most expensive film produced by 824 with a $70 million budget. The LARB reviewer reviewer mentioned that it's impossible to view this film in a vacuum outside of its viral marketing. It's the cinema event of the year. They're not only trying to replicate the success of uncut gems, but secure the future of filmmaking. And it's like basically about this young arrogant table tennis player who has to like hustle and grind to achieve his dream of becoming a champion while getting longhoused by all these relations and authorities along the way. And in the process, he, like, knocks up his married childhood friend. He has an affair with, like, this beautiful but fading older actress.

He tries to, like, wheel and deal on her wealthy husband. He competes against a deaf Japanese incumbent. There's a subplot with, like, a mysterious mafioso type and his scary dog. Moses. Moses, yeah. And all of these movies have, in common. that they're about a guy gambling with his fate, like borrowing, stealing, scamming, doing whatever it takes. Even the opening sequence is very reminiscent of uncut gems, like, in the sense that they love these,

like, microscopic close-ups. In this case, it's like an egg being fertilized in uncut gems. It was like the inside of a diamond with all its facets, if I recall correctly. But the interesting part was that the moral lesson was totally flipped in this one. Like in Uncut Gems, Howard's hubris and delusion basically leads him to destroy his family and get himself killed. Well, yeah, it has kind of a nihilistic conclusion. And this, it's just, it feels more mature. Yeah, it's, yeah, it does. Than Gems did, which is more controlled, more epic, yeah.

Pace and a lot of the same motifs. Yes. Ultimately, yeah, it's like a higher grade product. Yeah, which is to be expected, obviously. And, yeah, in Marty Supreme, Marty's hubris and delusion, I guess, ultimately bring him closer to achieving his dream. But then he sets them aside in favor of what really matters, I guess. But you don't really know that. You just see him have an emotional reaction to his child.

I found it a little tragic. And because he's cocked by life. Yeah. Yeah. And I also thought this movie was like weirdly intimate and familiar for how like epic and big budget it is. Like, you know, ultimately Josh Softie made a wife guy movie about being a family man. Not really. Even though as you say like the ending is ambiguous and possibly shallow.

I would really like to see Josh make a movie about a woman. I know Rehnay Nicole Good I'm honestly interesting But all the female character Like not to you know get on my I heard of bed what's it called High Horse?

No the bed what the I don't even I can't even remember what it's called Oh soapbox No no the test The litmus test of films with female Oh, Bechtel test Yeah Like

Not to get on a backfill test kind of tip. But like all the females super like underwritten one dimensional. Yeah. I mean that always. They're all. And it's fine. He makes movies about men, about masculine stuff.

Which I like. Which I love. Very boys will be boys. That's a yeah. Yeah. But even Odessa a Zion character. who I thought she was really good actually I was impressed by her performance but maybe because she I feel like I just found out who she was

and kind of had like a skepticism about her being memed as a star but she was really good by Sandra Bernhardt, Fran Dresher Sandra Bernhardt, incredible actress nothing. Barely anything, Fran Dresher nothing but I think like because you know this is a

a movie made by like a young Jewish author and I don't know what his view of women actually is but his view of women as like a director and storyteller is like annoying overbearing Jewish mommy I think mommy issues are evident but

Woody Allen Arias or get in line like whatever no the thing about Woody Allen is he doesn't make the same movie and he actually has like a tremendous insight into women's minds. Psychology. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

Women. And yeah, probably has mommy issues too, but he's, Woody Allen's a genius. Yes. And Josh Safty's a very talented guy.

No, damn. Damning with fame, right? I mean, a genius, it's just, a lot of geniuses are unfit,

you know, he could probably, if he was a genius, he probably wouldn't be able to be as successful as he is. Mm-hmm. That's true. Yeah.

Well said. Sometimes the genius is, you know, kind of trapped in the circumstances of the time. Yeah. He's very much like, is able to create momentum. Well, I think, I don't know if I've, so I think he's an enneagram seven. Okay. Or the enneagram heads up there. Okay.

And then Ronnie Bronstein, his writing partner and Dan Lapatton, I think, are both fives. Uh-huh. And so you get this. Like physically or? I'm kidding. And Neagram 5s. And so I feel like the alchemy of them collaborating, which now they have like four times, five,

I don't know how many times, creates like an infrastructure that Josh is able to thrive in. And in that way he has a genius and that he's able to like use people. Yeah. I'm not But I think every movie is Kind of about making a movie

Yeah And well okay Especially early in your career And late in your career It's kind of about your legacy And your canonization Yeah And so

Marty I feel like is obviously Like Josh Yeah And Marty Supreme is kind of about Like uncut Jem's not getting an Oscar And then he had a big

smart yes exactly I felt like a very deeply personal movie that's what I mean when I say it's like kind of like intimate and familiar it's earnest than gem yeah and as the reviewer like one of my big issues with

not only the softies but like contemporary films in general the sweet east or Nora or all of these movies that are coming out of like the quote downtown like dime square scene just you know bear with me for the sake of convenience is that their main criteria for whether they're good

and successful or not is whether they make the viewer feel cool because they're like edge lordy and badass and I don't really love that and this movie actually didn't have that quality as the LARB reviewer points out it's like decidedly uncool which I like and I'm glad that you brought that up that it's like a movie about making a movie or like reckoning with your legacy of making movies. Because I felt like I was going to sound like so gay and annoying if I said this. But there's there's obviously like the analogy to filmmaking in that you really have to like hustle and scrap and believe in yourself for it to come together often at the last moment. You have to a moral things. You have to like the only critique I've even seen really with Marty is that Mard is he's not a good person.

Yeah. Which is like that's whatever. Who cares about that? And like, yeah, even like, you know, my philosophy of the world is much closer to what happens to Howard in the end than what happens to Marty in the end, right? So, like, who cares if, like, your characters are good and moral people, but. But, yeah, like, making a movie, especially early in your career, you have to really, like, basically scam people out of their resources and time. Yeah. and like keep the ball in the air to like pull off a feet of will.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Maybe it's an obvious. Yeah. And none of that really matters unless you have something to come home to or whatever, blah, blah, blah. But that also is like possibly cope.

And another thing that I agreed with in that review is that the film is an unqualified success, which is like outside of, it's like, separate from the fact of whether you think the film is good or not, you know? Yeah. No, it's the most successful A-24 movie ever, I think. Is it? I think so. Oh, wow. I think it's high as gross and the most expensive.

Yeah, and I had a lot of issues with the movie, but I almost feel like it's hard to take umbrage with anything about it because of how knowing and ironic it is in terms of it's like self-referentiality and omages, like he knows what he's doing. So even pointing out certain like irritating or inconsistent details is like a fool's errand. Yeah.

For me, like once you, if once I made a movie, it was, it's hard for me to watch movies critically. even in that way. Because you know how hard it is? In part, but also just, unless they're like, especially if they're objectively good, which Marty is, you know,

if they're, you know, it's easy to know when a movie's bad, but when a movie's good, it's like you don't want to like pick it apart and you just kind of want to enjoy it and then process it later. It's, I'm still processing it. And I feel like I,

which I feel like is a mark of a good movie. Yeah, a Jewish movie. A Jewish movie. Lingers. But to the point of it being way too long, which again didn't prove to be a deterrent or a deal breaker, the two pivotal scenes were when Marty knocks up Rachel in the stock room of the shoe store where he works. Okay, can I just say, can I say one thing? Yeah.

So he lives in this tenement building with his uncle who runs the shoe store that Rachel also lives in. And we're meant to believe she can come into his place of work and they can pretend. not to know each other and have sex. Yeah, like that kind of stuff. Like that to me, like it doesn't make sense that people wouldn't all know each other. Yeah, because these are like lower east side or upper west side or whatever Jews who all know each other. They live in the same building.

Yeah, yeah. But I'm willing to suspend some, my story for that. It's not the point. It doesn't matter. It also does make sense that he's broke after he comes back from. Yeah. His like Harlem Globetrotters world tour. Yeah.

like he has to like maybe or no I guess his uncle steals his money when he gets the cop to come well he steals his uncle's money and then the uncle steals it back is that the idea it's hard to keep track of what's going on in this movie there's a lot yeah which I guess is part of its charm and then the the other pivotal scene is Marty meeting his newborn in the hospital and breaking down in tears and both of these scenes are just kind of handed to you. and they come at the beginning and end of the movie. Everything in the middle is fairly arbitrary and interchangeable. Well, the final, the scene at the end with the Japanese guy. Yeah. It's the most successful one I thought. Yeah. That was my favorite scene where he like embraces Endo and tells him he's a good player

and it was a good match. It was like very humanizing. and thoughtful. Oh, that's not even how I interpreted it. I thought that since he won't be able to compete, when he says, I hope you win. It's because since he has beat him, he wants him to go on and win the tournament

so that he can live with the satisfaction of being better than the guy that won. Yeah, I mean, definitely that's part of it. But he's also in that moment, I think, uh, doing the thing that all good athletes do, which is they recognize. recognize the athleticism of their opponent.

Sure. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic. But in a way that, you know, if he was a bad player, it wouldn't mean anything to beat him. Right. He's a narcissist. Yes. Yeah.

Well, okay, that, okay, so. Pregnant, black-haired chick calling a guy a narcissist. The Lori's side, a little Anna catchy. I don't know. Yelling about narcissism. Well, okay, that, so I had a few issues. I have to say I don't know how I feel about the contemporary dialogue. I think she calls him, she says you're such a freak and narcissist or you're a narcissist freak.

There's a scene where Wally calls Marty Niggah, which like nobody talk like that back then. I'm not going to be a purist about it. They have creative license to do whatever they want. And it's not a deal breaker. It does pull you out of the action a little bit. But I don't want, sometimes it's distracting when people are like, and scram. You see you. Whatever.

Like, I'm not asking this movie at all to be like, you know, faithful to the time period because that's not what it's about. Part of its appeal is that it's like a stylized version of the past. That's equally applicable to the present, right? But I think that that part of it was a little bit too knowing and cynical maybe because it was, it's like we're going to give the people with. they want. We're going to give them some dime square dialogue. Yeah. And as expected, there was like a lot of frantic yelling and bartering and haggling and catching. There was that scene,

the pastrami versus roast beef scene where I think it was like a Jewish guy and an Italian guy who are like side actors arguing over their preferred sandwich. There's some black and Jewish camaraderie. They always like to get those New York freaks in the movie. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Kevin O'Leary, fantastic. He was Milton Rockwell? Yeah, he was great. He's the guy from Shark Tank who calls people cockroaches. And apparently when he, in that scene where he says, I was born in 1601, I'm a vampire.

Yeah. Improv. Oh, interesting. He came up with that. And I liked Marty's reaction to that because he was like, yeah, okay, whatever old man. Well, it's so. Because he didn't know how to react to it. Well, it's so, when he says I was born in 1601, you're like, what? It is so like jarring and crazy.

Yeah. It is such a good line. Yeah. Like if he had just said, I'm a vampire. Yeah. But the I was born in 1601. But it's a great like, kind of like generational misunderstanding because this boomer is trying to school this zoomer by kind of owning him.

But he does. By like, by pulling rank. He knows he's right. Yeah. But then the kid kind of owns him back. by just being like ignorant and ironic. Well, didn't you think it was interesting that he, after suffering all the humiliations and trials that he does?

Yeah. He doesn't want to kiss the pig. Well, that I thought was a very, um, ordeal of civility moment. I think the whole thing is kind of about him like a simulating to an individualist American mode. Yeah. Moses, the like ambiguous relationship he has with the dog. where he like kind of abandons it but then tries to get it back kind of like his ambiguous relationship

with the old testament he like uh rejects then accepts yeah and the pyramid he gives his mom also kind of a jim's throwback i felt he gives her a piece of that yeah it's very we was kang's moment we was we built this yeah but a lot of like yeah yeah those kind of like like Jewish details. Yeah. And obviously like, do you feel very significant? Yeah.

I mean, they are. Cudian. They are, well, they are like a meta commentary on the current Jewish discourse, obviously. And even like his relationship to Rachel

and their unborn baby is interesting because in part he initially rejects her because he's a brazen and arrogant young man who doesn't want to be longhoused by no woman. and, you know, he does the classic thing where he denies that the baby is his and tries to abandon her multiple times. But part of the reason he's so scared to accept her and his newborn baby or unborn baby is that he's, she represents like the pale, the stettle. The like... His mother.

Yeah. The ordeal. Yeah, she really is the ordeal And that scene where he asks her if her husband pulls out When she like she gets really emotional That was really good Yeah, her performance was very strong And that's when I could at that

That's how a woman would react Where I like it kind of like switched And I was like oh she's very good Yeah Pamela Adlon's daughter I thought like Yeah like the title was maybe like a little bit gay and forced. The music, of course, is anachronistic, which is intentional. Some of the choices

in editing, like the opening and closing songs forever young and everybody wants to roll the world. I felt a little cheap and gimmicky, though again, they're like millennial people pleasing tactics. The other thing is like the softies historically have taken a lot of shortcuts to create this kind of like high anxiety, high octane environment. And, you know, know, they literally give like the viewer like a dopamine hit or like instant gratification. The movies are always very fast-paced and high contrast, which to me sometimes feels like a cop out. But again, it's very hard to take umbrage with that because it is like the softy house style. Yeah, it's just and it's distinct.

Yeah, and there would be no softies without that style, you know. That's why I'd like to see him do. like Hannah and her sister like a kind of they're not comparable all besides what being Jewish psycho drama yeah just something like it'd be he should try it

um my he could do it he saw I think he could pull it off and I think he might want to and hope he hears this and is inspired by our review this was by far the most anti-Semitic movie I've ever seen and

of course it was made by a Jew so it's okay there's like this meta commentary where Marty makes an off-color Auschwitz joke about his competitor at the fancy lunge. And then he says like, no, I can say that sort of thing because I'm Jewish. Like he has the hood pass. It's like I'll finish the job that the camps couldn't sort of thing. And that reminded me of like curb your enthusiasm, which is the most anti-Semitic show ever made, except that it was made by a Jew. And I think there is even like a direct homage to the Survivor episode where Milton informs Marty that, his son died liberating Auschwitz, but it turns out that his son was serving in the Pacific.

Did I make that up? And he says, I liked to me, he says the Soviets liberated the camps. No, he says the Japanese killed your son, but I don't think that's true. I think he's just like reaching at that point. Yeah, but it's unclear like what happened to the sun, right? Yeah, and I don't think Marty knows. I think he's just like, he feels insulted so he's like lashing out. Yeah, they're like bawling.

But they're basically all scamming. and taking advantage of each other throughout this movie. Even when there's, like, love involved, Rachel scams Marty, Marty scams K. Marty and Wally always driving around scamming people. Marty scams Rockwell,

then comes back groveling to him. Marty and Rachel try and fail to scam Ezra. There is a scene where Rachel fakes a black eye from her husband, Ira, with makeup, to get Marty to finally, like, notice and accept her and their unborn baby. And he sets her up at, like, a friend, house in spite of the guys' protests.

He beats him with a hammer and like maims him seriously and says shame on you shame on you like the famous Jewish line that they all like to pull out when you're like saying something totally reasonable

when you're beating you why at one point Marty says to his friend must be nice to be born with a silver spoon in your mouth you're throwing your friends out in the street you're throwing a pregnant woman out in the street. Just like classic Jewish shaming and manipulation tactics. There's another scene where Marty is fucking Kay in the shower.

And he unclasps her necklace to let it fall into the drain so he could fish it out and pawn it later. And then it turns out that it's costume jewelry. So he crawls back to her and returns it apologetically. But she sees right through it. And he claims that he didn't know it was costum. jewelry and she knows that he's already gone to like a pawn shop and gotten it appraised.

Right. And knows it's worthless junk. Not, she calls him on his bullshit because he wants to make it seem like he had second thoughts for moral reasons. Because he can't stop thinking about her. Yeah, but it's really because he couldn't sell the necklace to make money for himself. But she ends up giving him a more valuable necklace anyway. Yeah.

And she says I would steal from me too. Yeah. Yeah, Cox, Mr. Wonderful. I remember there being some press about the sex scenes. Gwyneth Paltrow talking about how she didn't use an intimacy coordinator. But the sex scenes are kind of, I guess besides when he's eating her box in the damn park, spoiler alert. But the other two were like barely sex scenes. Yeah.

I was like, well, you need an intimacy coordinator for this. Yeah. I actually didn't mind that part that the sex scenes are like sweetie and breezy. Yeah. But just the, yeah, I was anticipating them

because of the, and all the intimacy coordinator. Yeah. Yeah. And it was a little let down. Not to be a Jack Mason about it. I don't need to see his dick and balls. Yeah.

Have you ever seen devil in a blue dress? No It's a I don't think so It's an old Denzel Washington movie from the 90s I've been Picture the cover that's why Yeah

I've been going down The Denzel catalog And it's It's basically like a neo-noyar It's China Town for black people But made by Jews And that there is like You know like

The tip like murder mystery and an incest plot, but it's much more like simplistic and retarded. But a beautiful, wonderful movie. And the funny part about that movie is that there's, the reason I bring it up is that there's a really amazing, steamy sex scene that I was referencing all the Marty Supreme sex scenes against because I had just watched them back to back. Right. Which I highly recommend.

Yeah. What are they going to do, doggy or? No, a funny thing about the Denzel Washington brand is that because he is, looks very handsome and intelligent in like a classic white guy leading man way. He often plays the sort of drunk underdog who has succumbed to alcoholism and is washed up and seems like a initially seems like a bad guy and a piece of shit, but actually turns. lands the plane yeah exactly but actually turns out to be a good guy who's an alcoholic because he's morally troubled yeah Denzel's great at the glassy eye kind of strung out yeah he's an amazing actor because he's very undetectable he's basically always playing himself he has like a very narrow repertoire um and i was thinking about him when i was watching gwyneth palatro's performance

because she's a very good actress. Luminous. Yeah. And it's not even because she's like pretty or sexy or, you know, the camera loves her or whatever. It's because she's very, yeah, like effortless and seamless and almost like not acting. Mm-hmm. Which is funny because in the movie,

her character is always like pissed off and disgruntled because she's trying to make like a theatrical comeback as like a washed up semi-retired actress. From the silent era. And she's like, they're not letting me act. Yeah. I'm not doing any acting. She's like really pissed off. Like, always steamed about it.

So actor. Mm-hmm. Do you see they change the SAG Awards to the actor awards? No. They changed it. Yeah. I didn't know that. Which is makes sense because everyone's kind of like, what's, you know.

Yeah. What's a SAG? When I'm like, I have a SAG award. We were like, what's that? Um. But I would have called it the ACTA. actress awards for best male actress

because they all are such actresses yeah what else but very classy of her to do a great role for her yeah you know where she's basically also playing a version of herself because

you know as they point out in all the like press and reviews she quit acting. She quit acting to run her goop empire and had to be persuaded to take on this role. But yeah, it is a very ordeal of civility movie in that like it depicts a lot of behaviors and tendencies that like goys might see as unbecoming or unseemly, but that Jews view with fondness and affection. Like on the one hand they're like absolutely depicted as like perfidious and manipulative liars and scammers.

But it's all love and no one holds a grudge. You know, it's all treated with fondness and affection. But the Goyam love it. Yeah, they eat it up. Because it's like a familiar archetype. You know, they're stealing, haggling, bickering. Even in the beginning when Marty's neighbor Judy, who's played by Sandra Bernhardt, calls him up to say his mom,

who's played by Fran Dresher, is, you know, pale and sick and going to the hospital, he calls bullshit on it because he's used to, to being like long housed. And he hears his mom in the background. Yeah. Like tell him I can't breathe. Yeah. And he's like used to dealing with his like histrionic overbearing Jewish mother.

He says she's trying to sabotage me. There's another good example in the end when Rachel gets shot by the farmer when they try to take back Ezra's dog and Ezra gets killed. And as they're like fleeing in the getaway car, she's asking Marty to get the money out of Ezra's pocket while he's like laid out on the porch dying and she says is there a lot of money then she doesn't yet know that he's found a way to get to Japan which is what he needs the money for so she still thinks yeah she's doing it and also in like a self-sacrifice yeah but they're very Jewish female type of way but what's the um that um and then the money's fake right yeah it's like

yeah yeah but what's that there's that there's that there's there's like that famous Nassim Nicholas Taleb line that he clearly probably pilfered from somebody else where, or maybe it was even Marty Perrits, I don't know, I'm getting all of my references confused when it was about the Israel-Palestine conflict where he says, you know, in that part of the world, it's very me against my brother, being my brother against my cousin, my cousin and I against the world. Marty and Rachel have no problem scamming each other, but when it comes down to it,

they'll ban together and scam everybody else. Sure. And yeah, there's a part where, you know, Marty manages to get Rachel to the hospital, like eight months pregnant and bleeding from a gunshot wound, and then he immediately abandons her to go to Japan to face off against Endo.

And then he comes back, yeah, and, you know, they really deserve each other. And he even says it's every man for himself where I grew up because it is this very like working class Ellis Island Holocaust survivor mentality

but that's not every man for himself well yeah it's that's very clanish yeah it's both and Martin's trying to break the mold but ultimately can't

he's you know doomed or blessed depending on how just when I think I'm out they pull me back in you know yeah he has these like contradictions

within himself. He wants to like transcend his Jewishness. Uh-huh. But ultimately can't. Yes. Yeah. It is like, yeah.

Like Nicquinta said, a Jew is someone whose grandchildren will be Jewish. Right. Yeah. And he's so he's. And that's what ends up happening. Right.

Yeah. And that's and even like what, you know, it's like just like, um, Rachel for him, uh, represents not only like adult responsibility in the form of,

form of like being a husband and a father, which is like, you know, he views that fate pretty ambiguously at that point. Kay represents, as the LARB reviewer pointed out, not only getting embraced by someone from elite society, but surpassing her. Yes, yeah. Yeah. Which is also funny because Gwyneth Paltrow is like a paternal Jew. in reality

but it's funny that this is like the depiction of themselves that Jews are not only self-aware about but like to promote but then they get like upset and confused when other like non-Jewish people find their you know

qualities less than civil yeah unpleasant and disturbing and they're freaked out And another funny aspect of that is like how throughout the movie Jews are depicted as like affectionately depicted as either entitled or groveling. Yeah. But excellent.

Yeah. Hence, that's why it's endearing. Chosen. Chosen. Yeah. And it is like, to me it's a more American story than I don't know, some. goyum from the heartland. Like America really

I feel like came into an identity in the post-war period that was largely shaped by Jews. And they like made the American project kind of a Jewish one. Yeah, there is a point in yeah, I mean that that's which is good.

When the world like how would I put it like I think this was a cut of he point that as the world secularized the concept of chosenness had to cease being

a religious one and had to become a secular one and in that way Jews really manifested their own chosenness by you know literally we've talked about this before that like originally

Jewishness was seen as like a religious category that was an umbrella term for all these different tribes and clans and eventually through the process of ethnogenesis the Ashkenazim were born and they became the dominant Jewish population just demographically and they now speak for the worldwide Jewry right but they are even though they claim to be like a religious and or cultural group are really an ethnic group at this point yeah but they're even you know well and Josh Soft do you know that I think of it has his own mini

ordeal of civility going because he's half Ashkenazi half Sephardic right oh I didn't realize yeah I think so okay I'm not sure we need to fact like that but there's like an nesting doll of ordeals of civility because you know in in the macro sense you have the Jewish people trying to assimilate into Gentile society but then in the micro sense you have like the Sephardim trying to assimilate into Ashkenazi society well in Marty too it's like and that's what I think I'm I mean when I say it's like American because part of a simulating in America definitely for the Jews wasn't just about like assimilating it was about like being excellent

yeah it was achieving excellent it's not about assimilating it's about like surpassing yes and like creating the conditions in which yeah hence his relationship talents and chosenness is legible I like the scene where he says to Rachel it was very like Kanye when he says like when you have to

I'm going to botch it, but he's like, he's talking about how he has to make sacrifices, even though he seems to not ever be making, you know, like he seems like he hasn't ever made a sacrifice and he's only looking out for Numerano, but that he like frames it as like a duty that he has. Yeah.

To do what he does, which is play table tennis very well. Yeah. That he had, like, that in his mind he thinks he's being self-sacrificing. Yeah. But he's being totally self-serving. Yeah.

And it's, it's as much a matter of, like, self-fashioneding or self-image as it is, a matter of actual achievement. Right. And, like, there's also a great part where, yeah, and he's saying this, mind you, to like a pregnant woman who's making the ultimate sacrifice.

And then he says, how do you go through your life, just doing whatever? Yeah. But ultimately, biology, destiny, like, he's also, you know, Yeah. He is also like driven by these animal impulses. Like primitive. Yeah.

Desires. That like contradict his like Faustian quest. Yeah. And ultimately kind of yeah, doom him or maybe not doom. Maybe that's a pessimistic read. Yeah. Bring him back down to earth. Yeah.

Man long houses himself. There's also a great dialogue where he's talking to Kay, I think in her hotel suite or in a dressing room or something. and she says, what do you plan to do if this dream of yours doesn't pan out? He says, that never enters my consciousness. You sound like my mom. And she says, you sound like a child.

And then he says, clearly I'm old enough. Yeah. Which I didn't, that felt a little false that she would be so scandalized. She's not. She's not. She's just giving him a hard time and, you know, playing the role of the woman.

You're disgusting. Woman scorned or whatever, yeah. And then there's also this underlying very Jewish understanding that the goy is like the ultimate other and possible villain as embodied in that farmer guy with the rifle. Well, and Mr. Wonderful. Kevin O'Leary. Oh, yeah, yeah.

He's also like a capitalist. Yeah. It's quite like It's implied that he's anti-Semitic I guess Yeah I read another review I think it was in reverse shot That really was like talking about how he was an anti-Semite

That the guys at the bowling alley were anti-Semitic Yeah Which they weren't Yeah And then they killed them Yeah Well yeah there's a great scene in devil In a blue dress where

Denzel's character goes out to some peer in Malibu to meet up with like some small-time mobster slash private eye and he's approached by a young white woman who strikes up a conversation with him and then her white friends come out and try to basically lynch him for speaking to a white woman. It's a very like Emmett Till black ordeal of civility moment where he's obviously like not at fault at all and the white guys are like out for blood. And like you see this, it's like a very straw dogs thing that you see in like the Softie Brothers and Ari Aster. Like a lot of Ari Aster's films are about like scary.

Mid-Sommer specifically. Mid-Somber, but I mean he's, yeah, there's a lot of fear. Yeah, throughout his films. But I know what you mean, yeah, the archetype of like, and yeah, straw dogs. is like the template of like the Jewish mathematician and then the like rugged, dangerous,

like rural towny guys. Yeah. And you know like Ari Aster's first like student film, which is like his best film. About the guy rapes his dad. Yeah. The strange thing about the Johnson's is this kind of like ordeal of civility movie where he like in a very edge lordy fashion casts black actors to play what would be like a prototypically like white family.

Yeah. And that has some like twisted Freudian Jewish drama like incest drama. Yeah. I want to wanted to ask you about this one really random bizarre scene with Marty's competitor and mentor Bella, who's like a Hungarian Jewish Holocaust survivor. And it's told in a flashback by Bella to Milton, I think, because Marty is using Bella to stunt on Milton. But long story short, Bella is protected by Auschwitz guards because they respect his game and they allow him to like prowl the perimeter of the camp to disarm bombs and one day he follows a bee to honeycomb and smokes out the hive with a cigarette and then smears honey all over his body under his like striped uniform and lets his bunkmates lick the honey off so like they can eat so they can be nourished and it's a very like visceral. and off-putting an animalistic scene. Yeah. That is like frankly really homoerotic in nature.

Yeah. And it's obviously about like the lengths that people had to go to survive and what they were willing to do. But I'm curious what you think is like the part of the ultimate purpose of that scene. Other than its obvious role in like moving the plot along. Because it is kind of like out of place. Yeah. It's not really relevant to the plot.

To me it's like. I think it possibly is about like a generational, again, the ordeal of civility, like, what's that the character's name? Bella. Yeah, Bella is, you know, like, yeah, Jews used to have to be, like, hyper-collectivist for their survival. And Marty's survivalism is very, like,

self-oriented. And I think Because he's like breaking away from the tribe. Yeah, he's breaking away from the tribe. He's out for himself. And it's about like the distinctness. He's like a foil to Marty. Yeah.

And yeah, makes Marty exemplary of like a new mode. Uh-huh. Of Jewish American. Yeah. With like the emphasis being on the American. Uh-huh. whereas in the camps like the Jewishness was the primary thing bonding category obviously but I don't know what do you think I don't know I like have no opinion on it it was just like and that sort of scene would ordinarily like be very ham fisted and sentimental yeah but it was very like abrupt and comic yeah It was just perverse and ironic and knowing.

And I think it also serves of some character development on Milton's side because he like interrupts the story to Brant mentioned his son. Yeah. Liberating them from the camps. Right. Yeah. And so yeah, there's like a triangulated tension. Yeah.

Between the like, uh, hyper successful goy, the Jewish striver and like the old world. Jewish guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was thinking about this because I've also been... It's a powerful moment. Not just even the flashback, but like that, the way it's encapsulated in that scene. But it didn't come off as as like irritating and ethnocentric as it could have. You know what I'm saying? No, no. I mean, it definitely could have. And I think honestly it would have played a bigger role in that era. Yeah. which maybe is why in part it was included.

Yeah. As like a reference to the recent history in the world that the film takes place in. Because it's like 1953 or something. But I feel like, well, I guess with Japan and everything, I guess yeah, there's a lot of like post-war themes. There is a good quote from that review. that you sent where that it kind of gets to the heart of the matter. Let me see if I can pull it up.

Marty Supreme is not a genre film. No, not even a sports movie. It's a movie driven by a maniacal supernatural drive to entertain. It has a playful relationship to history and it's a satire of identity politics. Is it?

That's what the reviewer claims. I don't, I was thinking about that. Well, because it is very ironic, knowing, wink, wink, nudge, nudge about the Jewish question and the problems of assimilation. But on the other hand, like, the softies, two biggest films, which are uncut gems and

Marty Supreme are about Jews, but in a way that doesn't feel particularly relevant to identity politics. It's mostly like a functional thing because like this is like the milieu that Josh Safdi like travels in A and B I think just because it is crowd pleasing to make a movie about like ethnic whites trying to get by which is like what you know why a Nora was so successful part in part well also I mean I feel like the Safdi's two biggest movies are always the last two movies that they made yeah that's true so there might be Josh and the last two but prior It was Good Time and

Yeah Ked Jembs were the biggest AFTI movies And Good Time is not about all Not Jewish at all Yeah Well daddy long legs Because it's very like autobiographical But heaven knows what

Yeah Not about Jews They like yeah They were doing like the derelict Yeah Urban thing I guess I'm curious Like like the question that I would have for Josh

Is whether He's interested in transcending making Jewish movies about Jewish characters and whether that's even possible in the current like framework like is he going to go the way of like a Yorgos Lantamos or who's the other guy?

I bet he won't make another. I mean they'll always be Jewish. Yeah. I mean you even look at Stephen Spiel who is, you know, a Jewish guy, but not a Jewish filmmaker. He's like a guy who's transcended his race, right? And like, I recently rewatch Jurassic Park too.

Two, T-O-O, not two. I think there is a Jurassic Park too. But, you know, that's just like an epic blockbuster. I think it was like the highest grossing, most successful film of its time for many years. I mean, there have been a lot of Jewish filmmakers. And I don't, I think that Josh already has transcended, like in his filmography. Yeah. Most of his films aren't about being Jewish.

Mm-hmm. So he's definitely, I don't think it's a fixation. I think he just happened to make. No, I think it's just like a very like, functional logistical thing. And obviously something that he's like personally just like an expert in and interested in. But Stephen Spielberg is like the Michael Jordan of directors and that he totally transcended. his race. But if you look at one of his first films that I love that is like Lenny's favorite film,

it's called Duel. And it's about this working schmuck, every man, wife guy, family man who's targeted by like an evil, spooky, nameless, faceless truck driver on like some southwestern highway. I don't know if you're familiar with this film. it's really good. No. And it's, it's totally like,

um, identity and ethnicity neutral. Like the guys, a lot of, I mean, there's just a lot of like, they didn't used to be. Jews used to make a lot of excellent movies that weren't about

Jewishness. Yeah, but even that in its own way is an ordeal of civility movie. Because while the character isn't explicitly Jewish and there's again, like no evidence of any like ethnic or racial anything. it is about this kind of neurotic, cocked, working stiff guy who's targeted by like the equivalent of the Marty Supreme farmer with the rifle. Right. I mean, who made deliverance?

I don't know. Good question. Because Stratas, Sam Pekinpaw is not Jewish. No. And he made strad off. Yeah. So, but I mean, don't you think Kubrick transcended him? Jewishness.

Yeah, I don't think he even really cared about it. That's what I mean. Yeah. But he was, but he was. He was, like, Michael Mann and that he was, like, a one-of-a-kind guy who didn't give a fuck about any, like, ethnic or tribal loyalties and just, like, did his own thing. And, yeah, he was a real, he was, like, a remote viewer-level genius. Yeah.

He was just on another level. Yeah. But it's interesting. But, like, William Friedkin. Mm-hmm. Made tons of movies. Yeah. Made like the best Catholic movie The Exorcist.

Yeah. Yeah. Total Jewish guy. The best single mom movie. Polanski. Yeah. I guess the pianist was sort of his, you know. I feel like usually with, um, they'll do one.

Mm-hmm. Kind of ethno narcissistic. Yeah. But mostly they want, you know. Well, I guess I'm saying that like Josh, Softie has made Jewish movies because he's made New York movies because he's a New York guy and those two things are

kind of interchangeable Yeah yeah Good times is like not really Jewish at all Yeah I guess they're like vaguely Greek The movie Right Something like that Stavros core

But I mean ethnic whites just are more compelling Yeah You know You don't really really want to watch a movie about who's going to menace the rednecks, you know? Yeah. They don't really have adversaries in the same way, so they're not as driven. Yeah, they're like always depicted as the apex predator.

Yeah. Here's another quote from the review. Such ostensible detours emphasize the materials tertiary semiotic preoccupations. That's a lot of words. The bowling alley is quintessential American iconography, a space whose racial dynamics, among others, are slyly inverted for profit by our heroes. I guess that's what he means when he says, like, this is like an ironic send-up of identity politics. The alley is so rich in the broader mythos and imagery of the film that it's easier to forget that Wally and Marty have only the thinnest reasons for being there in the first place.

The cumulative effect of such scenes is borderline Dickensie and serial-esque, like its makers are getting paid by the minute but still can't risk anybody tapping out. the scope of the film is thus large and luxurious. Marty Supreme has the means creatively and financially to integrate any tangent. If a movie as epic and multifaceted as Marty is about one thing above all else, it is assimilation as a type of performance, the kind that demands both the caricature and the erasure of one's own identity in exchange for personal gain. This is never better exemplified than by the titular hero.

Marty is consistently foregrounding his own Jewishness. he declares himself Hitler's worst nightmare because he knows that it'll get him written up by the paper. Upon learning that Milton and Kay's son died during World War II, Marty Pressure's fellow player Bella Kletzky to tell Milton a shockingly erotic story from his time in a concentration camp. Kletzky, it should be mentioned,

is played by a Gaza Roaring, who starred as a death camp prisoner in the controversial Hungarian Auschwitz thriller, Son of Sal. Okay. The stunt casting is very, like, relevant and specific because he like hires people who have like a preexisting relationship relationship or reputation yeah Mr. Wonderful.

Yeah. He's always telling people he's chastising entrepreneurs. He's perfect. Yeah. I mean, this was even the case with casting Adam Sandler in, Uncut Gems. Because, like, as I said in, like, 2019,

Adam Sandler is, like, a nice and wholesome comedy dad. Mm-hmm. Who gets, like, popped in the face. Right. By ice.

By, um, these mafia adversaries who are not Jewish, right? I don't know. Maybe they are. There's some kind of, like, vague ethnic whites. They might be Jewish because it's all diamond. strict stuff. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like whatever they said about Quentin Tarantino, like with Pulp Fiction,

where he like basically revived John Travolta's career and like made Samuel L. Jackson's career. Well, Sandler is not. He'll, he, he, he's a great actor and very funny. But he's also another guy who's just like, but he'll do the odd prestige punch drunk love. Yeah. He like, he has real, real range. Yeah, and he's like rich and conservative and doesn't give a fuck and doesn't need to show up for anything. Like just wears like literally like supreme basketball shorts everywhere. He's so. To sit courts.

Oh my God. Anna. No. He's hot. Timothy Shalameh for how one note he was as Marty Mouser. He was great. He was great. Yeah. Kinetic, fantastic.

But he is actually a very versatile actor because, you know, he looked so like beautiful and elegant and like a Roman towel boy and call me by your name. And here he just looks like Jewy and Mousy. And like you really get none of his beauty at all whatsoever. No, a lot of charm. Yeah. Like you can kind of see that he has a nice jawline, I guess. But he's basically just like Shrimpy and hunched over

He's yeah And he's confident Which makes him Yeah Appealing He's like a guy you would see it time and again Exactly And you know he's like

Really giving it as all And Josh too It's very like They want that Oscar I mean I think if A Nora won the Oscar Marty Supreme Should win the Oscar

I mean, it's a contender, certainly. And to me, won at the Critics Awards or something. He's, I think he'll be on a generational run. But I don't know. I think I like to uncut gems more. Why? Like, I don't recall. I didn't

It's I know it's hard to recall anything About any of these films Because it's a little It's like more mid budget Scrappy Yeah So there's

Like sometimes when you Have a huge budget And can make something really epic A little bit of like Humanity is lost Yeah Um And I think I just respond

on more to like restraint. Yeah. Which maybe Benny arguably, you know, maybe there was something with the brothers. Well, the guy, the reviewer was making a distinction between Benny's style versus Josh's style, which I kind of skimmed and didn't really retain. But he was talking about how like Benny likes more like long, epic slow burn shots, whereas Josh really likes to trail his actors and get up in their face.

Well, I think Benny is a real actor. and Josh is really a director. Yeah. And Benny's a director too, but he's, you know. Which must be a cause for a painful rivalry up in there. I don't know. And I didn't see Smashing Machine, but I got the impression that it was very actory.

That's the one with the Rock and Emily Blunt. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be interesting. I mean, both of them have the same thing where they like are really pandering to millennials' taste for nostalgia. coolness. Well, I just think they are cool

because they've got the, or Josh, definitely. Well, they're cool because they're not cool. Because if you actually scratch the surface, they're like earnest down home, nice Jewish boys. But they're like prep, you know, they're like prep school streetwear New York guys. Prep school gangsters. Yeah, they are.

And that's cool. I know. And that's what people like respond to. Yeah. And then like a large. at 824 are also very good at like generating like cool marketing. Eli Bush. Exactly.

That people respond to, you know. Yeah. But overall, yeah, I did. I thought it was great, but not as good as I'm saying. And I'm not even, I'm not trying to be a hater. Um, and I think part of it is that it's, it's very good coded. It's very tasteful. It's well sad, yeah. It's very tasteful.

Is it, though? It's actually like very extreme and over the top and like vulgar. Like there's just a lot of like. But in the detail, like, you know, a period piece is super satisfying, I think, a 20th century period piece. Because people aren't on their damn phones. And like when Marty wants to do something, he like, I feel like modernity. has really like cocked and hindered people from like you can't just call a guy and you can't like you can't like you can't like scam in new like digital ways yeah but you can't like scam and worm your way into high society the way that marty does yeah because there is no high society anymore and like you know as many like right wing and on posters are fond of pointing out on twitter like even rich people uh consume the same thing and partake in the same events as everybody else. Yeah.

So there's not even anything to aspire to anymore. You can't just go stay up at the ritz and say like, bill me later. Yeah. Like there's just things that used to be possible that aren't. Yeah. You can't exploit an arbitrage stuff except for crypto anymore because like everything is so like high connectivity and happens like instantly. Yeah.

And surveil. Yeah. And there's like when they're interviewing Marty and he says that his mother died in childbirth and his dad abandoned him. Yeah. And then later he tells Rachel's husband who's like irate when he catches them in the back of the pet store that they were. Oh, that's so funny. That his name is Ira and he's irate. Yeah.

So true. And he says my dad just died, which again, I was like, don't they all live in the same fucking house? Like wouldn't he know? who Marty's dad is. And you never really know who Marty's dad. Yeah, who is Marty's dad. But yeah, that he's even able to just kind of like lie and myth make. Yeah.

Is impossible in contemporary life because everything's too... Well, everybody has the receipts and they can just pull up old tweets. Yeah. Yeah, that was like a big thing with the ice shooting, where a lot of leftists were getting up in arms about the lack of like respect and piety that the right was showing this dead woman. And then all the right wing guys were like pulling up tweets from those same leftists who were like gloating in and celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.

And it's like everything just happened. Yeah. It's like gotcha. Yeah. It's just like hypocrisy. truffle swine and week this is a good segue

but I was thinking on my way over here how I actually do think Eddington was the best movie of the year why do you say that it just like when I

think back to it yeah it registers more impressively to me and everything feels like Eddington yeah it does

I mean I remember, it didn't quite when the movie came out. It wasn't like a total, it wasn't like totally like prescient or futuristic because all of that was happening. But now it really feels like every, we're all just watching like brutality with like everyone in the background filming on their phone. Yeah. Everything is like someone with a phone in your face. Yeah. All the time.

Well, one of the previews that I saw when I went to the theater to, watch Marty Supreme was for 28 years later. Awesome. That was actually take it back. That was the best movie. Did you watch it? Well, I watched the one before. I think this is like 28 decades later. Is 28 years later still Danny Boyle? Yes. It was so good. The zombies were super scary. I saw that in theaters. Yeah, last year at some point. 20 days later is like viscerally like etched in my mind as one of the scariest. best best movies I've ever seen. This new one's pretty good too. Killion Murphy was so hot.

So hot. Now he looks like a... Not my type, but hot. Angry, left-wing lesbian activist. But he was amazing in that movie. And Danny Boyle is a genius for creating the 28 days franchise because he can basically just like make a movie

every half a decade. That's like 28 days later, 28 weeks later. 28 months later, 28 years later, 28 decades later. I think 28 years later was the one that came out last year. Yeah. That was very good. And very like experimental, actually.

It had almost, it almost felt like the cinematography. Oh, yeah. Okay. So last year, 28 years later, this new one that we saw the preview for is called 28 years later, The Bone Temple. Okay. So it's a different 28 years. Oh, but he's not directing that one.

Oh, okay. Shit. That's what I thought. It's a sequel to the one he made last year. Got it. But that whole, so 28 days later, and the whole, like, zombie craze of the 2010s was very prescient because it, like, anticipated how zomified, like, public life would become due to social media. It did.

It sounds so gay and trite, but it's true. But that's, the zombie's been, it's like the vampire. It's always, like, represented some things. like people have anxieties about like from the jump. 28 years later is about a, it takes place in the future. It's actually kind of poignantly about migrants. Because it's about, and so there's like the virus that makes people, zombies has like broken containment.

It's spread all across the world. And there's like a small island that's like British, I guess. that is like quarantined. But the men who live on the island have to go out to the mainland periodically to hunt or to do get to supply something. Yeah. They like have to venture out. Do they bring the illness back to the island? Well, that's, yeah, that's kind of, you know.

And then the zombies try to break in and blah, blah, blah. The illness being porn addiction. Exactly. but yeah that it's funny because I feel like vampires are Jewish coded and zombies are guic cattle coated

totally yeah I mean they are they're NPCs they're the original NPC yeah and in the gaming community

you often have to yeah murder them because they have a hive of mind. You know what Josh Softie should do next?

He should make a film adaptation of Camp of the Saints to really like prove his edge Lord bona fides. He's never even touched that book.

He might have. I've honestly only read kind of like the first paragraph of Camp of the Saints. I keep reading the same like 40 pages over and over I get too scared. It's too scary.

But yeah, I couldn't really tell you like what happens in it. Besides the, yeah, like a flotilla of Indians. Yeah, but that's like that happens. That's like the first thing that happens. And like then what? I'll look at, I'll do some research later. But yeah, should we talk about Minnesota?

Yeah. What's your take? Well, okay, two questions. Unrelated, but semi. related actually. Number one, why do you think that Minneapolis is such a hive of wokeness? Number two, why are women so easily radicalized by the left? Well, I think question one, Tim Wall's policy.

like a natural Midwestern temperament of politeness. And individualism. Because we're talking about like mostly Anglo-Saxon and Germanic people, right? But not really an individual, not individualism, more of a kind of conformity, not even in collectivism, really, but like a conformity that's ground. in an Anglo politeness that prevented them from actually being like individualistic enough to protect themselves. Yeah, or like a tolerance that is part and parcel of like a high trust ethnically homogenous society that becomes intolerant because of the introduction of multiculturalism. Yeah, it can't keep up with. Yeah.

it has its own ordeal of like uncivility it has to yeah i really do think that like virtually any um political ideology whether it's socialism or fascism could work in a high trust ethnically homogenous society but falls apart when you introduce a multicultural element because then you get into like tribal warfare I mean, socialism and fascism are often connect. They're not like mutually exclusive. National socialism, yeah. You know, like they're usually.

But I think, well, I'm thinking of Japan now. Yeah. Yeah. Arguably is not, is also in decline. Well, yeah, because I think they're opening their borders slowly but surely. That's not why. Why? I think

I think fascism or like a fascistic impulse is often reactive and sometimes necessary but not sustainable in modernity

in the long run in Japan I feel like if there's too much fascism, too much conformity, too much repression, then there's like a stagnation. Yeah. Because there's nothing to justify it. Yeah.

Justify it. Yeah, to aspire to. And then the people just end up being kind of like buck broken. Well, yeah, and this makes me think of like the whole question of whether like national and liberalism are compatible, which I think they are, but that's besides the point. So yeah, in Minneapolis there was like a protest and a shooting.

And this woman, Renee Nicole Good, is that name? Was shot by an ice agent while attempting to flee the scene. Yeah. And now there's like some newly unearthed body cam footage, which I'm glad we're doing the episode. now after that has been... It's not even body cam footage. Interestingly, it's a cop

filming. Okay. You see him. That's very edgington. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, because surely, I mean, actually, I don't know if... Well, yeah, there's a lot of conversation about ICE versus police officers. Yeah.

Which feels arbitrary because they're all federal law enforcing a law. Yeah. ICE are federal law enforcement agents. and the police are federal or state law enforcement agents depending. But it comes out, yeah, ICE agent kills woman in her car. There's a video. There's a young mother. Yeah, there's two, there's one video.

And then another one that like I saw Megan Kelly posting. That's like more blurry and hard, you know, and everyone's talking. super authoritatively and definitively on boat like people are saying obviously he shot her he used lethal force I mean obviously he shot her but he used um lethal force when she wasn't a threat and then other people are saying she's accelerating towards him yeah and her death was justified um and then the body cam footage doesn't seem like like it or the whatever the more granular cell phone footage doesn't seem like it anyone change

their mind yeah which everyone is still just like well this is it yeah clearly yeah i mean i hate to say it but um i would do some dumb shit like resist arrest and get popped in the face for being a retarded bitch though i i guess i would never uh get out there and protest. And as Veronica pointed out, there's like a disconnect between like gambling away your life because you assume the other side like values it while also thinking that the other side is like inhuman or subhuman, which doesn't make sense. Or like the just like not like gestapo.

Yeah. Yeah. That ISIS trumps just stopo. Yeah. Yeah. And they're brutal killers. And then it's like. Yeah.

That they're modern day Gestapo that this. was a state sanctioned execution. The irony is that there's all these think pieces about men being radicalized by the right, but no one in the mainstream media ever talks about women being radicalized by the left. Well, to that point, to answer your second question, I think in part,

the divisive political climate, the rhetoric, obviously to blame in part, but also I feel like the Karen craze, the psychological, terror operation that was waged against Cairns in the COVID era made women insane.

I don't know. I don't think it's the campaign against Cairns. It's part of it. I think it's part of it that they like, on some level, white women, white women, white women's tears, white women, you know,

as these like foot soldiers. of this fascistic regime because they were telling a black guy to put his mask on or whatever was going on. But yeah, do you remember all those videos that people would take of like middle-aged white women

having like mental breakdowns because a black person was yelling at them and filming them with their phone? Yeah, well there were two big incidents. It was constant. The one was the bike Karen and then the other one was the bird watching Karen. And both of them turned out to be like more or less in the right even though they were maybe being like annoying and difficult. Well, it's just inhumane to trap someone like that.

Yeah. And then like shame them publicly. People aren't built for that. The other big irony is that like if you're on the left. as a 37 year old woman you're a young mother if you're on the right as a 37 year old woman you're an old hag

well she has older she has three kids she okay so she here's she has three kids by two baby daddies one of them died allegedly by suicide the other one has sole custody of the other two kids the dead one's brother has said that he's going to see

custody of the first kid. As many have pointed out, like, the dad having sole custody of the two children is a really bad sign because it's extremely rare and generally speaking family courts will side with the mother. She was also in a lesbian relationship. There's some evidence to suggest that she was part of an organized activist network, whatever that means or whatever that looks like. It's clear that this woman wasn't merely a young mother out for a drive.

if she was clearly like protesting and agitating. Yeah. A lot of the discourse is focused on what her intent was in hopes of like clarifying whether or not the agent shooting her was warranted or not. The two things I would say is like I don't think that we're ever going to conclusively know what her intentions were. Even in this like newly released body cam or not body cam footage, the intent is still very ambiguous, right?

because it is clear that she did graze him and would have hit him full on had it not been for the ice on the ground. And also like the second thing is like, I don't think it matters in determining whether his response was warranted because he's like not a mind reader. And it's also worth pointing out the last thing is that like ice agents are obviously under a lot of pressure

and under a lot of threat. like people make moves against them all the time they're constantly doxed this particular guy had been dragged by a car six months earlier but anyway I feel like that that I think is really irrelevant it is a yeah I feel like it's irrelevant because he hasn't overcome his trauma response well yeah but that's like very neither here and or there I just I think this is all irrelevant because like even if it was the case that she had meant to cause him bodily harm. And the left

knew this, was aware of this. They still wouldn't care because they see ICE as like an unlawful and illegitimate entity, not only because they're enforcing immigration policy by rounding up illegal immigrants, but which, you know, they're explicitly against, but because

in their mind, like all law enforcement is unlawful and illegitimate. It's like to fund the police. So in a weird way, everyone's an agreement. that her intentions don't really matter, even though that's become like the focal point of the scandal. Well, it's because it has to do with the use of lethal force.

Yeah, yeah, but the left sees it as irrelevant because they see the law and the state as unlawful and illegitimate, and the right sees it as irrelevant because they see the state and the law as like technically upholding the right to self-defense, right? because she technically resisted arrest and obstructed justice no matter what her unclear intentions were in that moment. And so a lot of like the people in on the left and on the center who are arguing, they're like arguing like that she didn't deserve to die, but that's like very irrelevant.

I also agree that she didn't deserve to die. I think George Floyd didn't deserve to die. even though I'm like a justice for Derek Chauvin Truther, I don't think that he should be in jail. I think it's a great stain on America that this trial was even allowed to proceed. And I don't think even Derek Chauvin, if you asked him, if you wrote him a letter in prison,

would say that George Floyd deserved to die. Yeah. I mean, it's tragic. Yeah. That's what it's, and the thing about tragedy. Yeah. Is that malice is like a legal category or intent or whatever. All of these like conversations people are having feel very like inhumane.

Yeah. And besides the point, because they're trying to morally freight something that's a technical matter. Yeah. Was the ICE agent technically justified in firing his weapon given the circumstances? Yeah, he was. Did that mean that she was a bad person who deserved to die? No. I mean, I think, yeah, that's what's tragic about it, is that, well, yeah, that there was something inevitable.

about it. But that she didn't, he didn't have to shoot her in the face. Yeah, there's a lot of people being like, oh, he could have shot the steering wheel or really could have shot in the air or whatever. It does seem excessive, especially. Here's my, okay, I came up, I figured out,

I figured out, it's not fair. Yeah. Exactly. Well, it's not fair, but it's warranted. No, no, no. What I'm about to say is my, yeah, the principle that I would apply. Because I think what I've deduced from my like analysis is, yeah, she, I don't think she was trying to kill him. I do think she was like a spazzing out and like trying to flee. Yeah.

But did accelerate towards him, could have killed him. and so the first shot through the front potentially justified but then he keeps shooting through the side window as she's pulling away and that's a little excessive and overbearing

well this is where this I think if the first shot killed her okay Yeah. But if the second or third shot was the one that killed her, excessive force. Interesting. And it's not fair. It's not fair.

It's like, you know, it's tragic cosmic, you know, could have been the first. Who knows? But that if I, yeah, if it was up to me, I would say, okay, you were justified in firing that first shot when the car was going towards you. Yeah. But to keep shooting. Yeah. I mean, either way, the optics are very bad because, you know, it's an L for the right and a W for the left. Tim Walz is obviously like breathing a side of relief.

I don't just even like, I mean, narrowly snatching victory from the jaws of defeat after all the Somali daycare fraud stuff. I don't see it as a victory at all. I don't think anything is like really going to change. And even with the new footage. where you see her like terrorist, Justin Bieber-ass lesbian partner, like being a total wicked cunt. And she does say drive.

Yeah. She's culpable, honestly. Yeah, somebody said that they're like in a lesbian relationship, there's always like the naive molested one and like the evil predatory one. But in that, in the like video where you see her face and they're like more of,

their interaction up close. It really underscored. And again, I'll say tragedy again, because, like, she's mentally ill. Well, yeah. Yeah, so the question is like... Yeah, so, like you said, she's, like, clearly confused.

Not confused in that moment, but confused in general. Very much so. And, like, the question is, like, you know, it's like the plea of insanity. Like, is she... sane and capable enough to understand the consequences of her actions. And it's like she's not. This is really like a softy film.

It's like a lead up of gambling against her fate forever. She looked at too many infographics that said like, if you see an ice officer, like there are, I see this shit circulating. Yeah. If you see an ice officer, you need to like intervene.

Well, and they need to block. Brazilian favela thing the left where they were like, well, you know, how would you react if like a masked man ran up on you with a gun and tried to like pull it into your car? Well, that's not what happened.

And they're trying to act like she was like innocent and confused in that moment because she was unaware that they were ice agents, but she was clearly aware that they were ice agents because she was there to protest them specifically. Which is also what leftists say like makes her a just and moral actor.

Yeah. It's not that she was there by accent, but that she was there on purpose. Yeah, and they don't, they don't care again if she meant to cause bodily harm or not. Here's a really good take from a user called user. You need to stop assuming anyone is going to be persuaded on this. It's not that they deny she hit him with the car that they think she was confused or afraid. They know exactly what happened. They just believe she should be allowed to do it without being shot. The problem is that the belief is just wrong. She's not allowed to do that without being shot. When you use a vehicle as a weapon against somebody, you are authorizing lethal force and response. That's the reality whether people like it or not. And this has to be

the rule because if someone can use a car as a weapon without facing lethal force and response, then there's no meaningful limit on violence. This is this boundary is what prevents chaos. And that's like, you know, you have to like get to the bottom of what law enforcement is and what it means to you. And the fact is that a lot of leftist activists like, explicitly protest the system, but also depend on the system to protect them, which is like the great irony.

They assume... ACAB until you need to work with the police department. Yeah, they assume that the system will protect them because they've never faced any real consequences in their lives, which is like, you know, that's a very fine point because clearly this woman in particular

has had some very serious, serious consequences in her life. Like she was a troubled, dysfunctional person with like a history of like mental illness. I mean, we don't know that. Family dysfunction. But it's true.

And like it's very clear that, yeah, like she had had experienced some really real consequences. But her relationship to like the state and the law was consequence free. Mm-hmm. And she really didn't know what she was getting into. That is, yeah. I mean.

Yeah. And like the only thing, the only question I have that could possibly throw a wrench in this is like, what is the legality of ICE reacting this way versus like standard law enforcement, aka the police? Well, they're not supposed to arrest a citizen. unless they impede.

Right. Unless they obstruct justice or resist arrest, which, you know, you can say that like, you know, whatever you think about this case morally, like technically, that's what she did. For sure. And, you know, the problem, yeah, again, is that these people have really never faced

any real world consequences for their beliefs, which, again, just goes to show how, like, safe and comfortable are, society is, yeah. And what a luxury their beliefs are, because like throughout time, throughout history, people were just, like, rounded up and taken out back and shot. Well, there's so many I've seen now videos of, like, these middle-aged Midwestern women interfacing with ICE officers.

Yeah. And, yeah, giving them a lot of, like, righteous attitude. But they're all, like, shaking. Yeah. They're not, like, they're, like, they're. something's really wrong. Yeah. These people are crazy.

I mean, it is really weird to, I mean, okay, I would put it this way because a lot of people on the right were like, well,

what would compel a woman to abandon her child to protest like her evil lesbian wife? Yeah, like what would compel a woman to go to a political protest when she had children?

And like I generally agree with that. Like, couldn't be me. but I mean I've you know I'm anti-protests pretty generally yeah but I think it's like an anti-social display that's because she never bargained for the fact that she might actually be shot and killed because she's not because she actually believes in the system that she's like openly fighting against on black lady would not be doing this unless she was on drugs like George Floyd that's a tragic element of it.

People who actually experience adversity. Well, she has experienced a lot of adversity on the personal level, I'm assuming. Though she doesn't really, or she didn't really like put two and two together. I mean, I haven't seen too many people making this point. point and I get it because maybe it's not a very good one. But in a way, plausibly what she did, maybe this is really wrong to say,

is not so different from like suicide by cop. Uh-huh. Like people commit suicide by menacing police officers. into killing them. This sounds like a Denzel Washington movie. And definitely I don't think she intended to do that. Yeah. But functionally.

That's what she did, yeah. Um, and we don't hold police officers culpable for suicide by cop cases. Yeah. Um, and I'm not saying that he shouldn't be culpable. Again, I have my whole which,

which bullet, uh, rubric. Um, Well, I guess the question is, do you subscribe to the social construct? Do you subscribe to the idea of society? And if you do, that means you believe that there has to be law enforcement. Well, I think these...

What's like the opposite of that? There's no law enforcement and society is totally lawless and ceases to be society. Well, I think the ICE protest. see themselves. I wouldn't, I think they believe in a society that is highly liberal and multicultural.

Yeah. And I think women especially are drawn to these causes in like a confused, bleeding heart way. Yeah. Again, also social media.

Obviously, her wife was filming they were like generating content in which they're like heroically upholding this vision of society that is contradictory to anything that they actually know or have experienced in their life. Yeah and I don't think like in her mind it was like I don't think she was thinking of it as I'm abandoning my child who I just dropped off at school to be a freedom fighter. She didn't think of it that way. No.

Of course. No, she thought that they would get or, you know, I don't know, again, we're speculating, but yeah, that they'd have some content to prove how violent and Gestapo-esque ice was. Yeah, and like,

righteously standing up to this, like, fascistic form. that's like stealing their neighbors. Yeah. And this brings up a very like, well, it brings up two very sad realities, which is like there was a good tweet by this guy,

Gary, who I follow on Twitter, he said, women really hate violence, especially self-defense. Someone gets hurt and their instinct is to nurture the person who got hurt regardless of whether they were at fault or not.

So they get all weird about it and refuse to accept any reasonable justification. And my feeling about it, I replied to him was that like, this is good and normal. And you want this in women for what it implies. right? You don't want a woman who has a masculine disposition toward violence. But then the problem becomes how much influence women should have in public life,

whether they should have voting rights, this kind of stuff that seems like really like bizarre to even talk about because we're past that point. But it's true. Like when women start to influence the culture, you get a lot of these incidents. And then the other big problem that like, people have pointed out is that she was protesting on behalf of people who are actively seeing to or seeking to like scam and defraud her own children. But she clearly wasn't thinking of it that way. I mean, like no offense, but Somali fraudsters in Minneapolis would have no problem. No, they don't care. They're just glad.

Raping and killing her children. The heats off their daycare centers. But I think, yeah, people's wires are just super duper crossed. They like don't even know. They don't even know what they're mad about. I mean, yeah, she just have this. She thought she knew and she like fucked around and found out. And it's very sad.

I feel very bad for this woman. I'm not like happy or excited that she does. I see a lot of right-wing accounts being like she deserved it. No, horrible. And then that, yeah, that just perpetuates this like gotchaism on both sides. Yeah. Or no one's taking the high road even a little bit. It's all like the lowest level discourse.

Yeah. Of like who is good or bad or who deserves to die or who deserves to kill. But I saw someone posted a Ted Kaczynski. quote that I thought was very lucid I'm going to I'll just read it

leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion or by moral principle and moral principle does play a role for the leftists of the over-socialized type but compassion moral principle cannot be the main motives for leftist activism hostility is too prominent

a component of leftist behavior so is the drive for power Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the people whom the leftist claim to be trying to help. For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or dogmatic terms? Obviously, it would be more productive to take a diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would at least make verbal and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative action discriminates against them. But leftist activists do not take such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs. helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility

and frustrated need for power. In doing so, they actually harm black people because the activist's hostile attitude towards the white majority tends to intensify race, hatred. So true, yeah. So true. I mean, this is like the Zoran Mamdani choosing that woman, Cia Weaver as like his housing authority or whatever. It's like, it's very funny that these people who are like explicitly anti-white

pick the worst white people to pal around with. Yeah. Because they don't, yeah, they don't really give a fuck. No, they just exacerbate like, right, like Renee Good and her partner think they're on the right side of history. Yeah. But they're actually like the foot soldiers like perpetuating and drawing us closer to a race war. by antagonizing the situation.

Yeah, and like Libthard's just like they see any like acceptance of reality or acceptance of hierarchy as like cruelty or callousness or malice. But they have no problem accepting just like casual cruelty or callousness or malice among those that they deem as marginalized. Well, it's like the, the pro-Palestine protesters. Yeah. Like they often are, don't know any Palestinian people.

They just feel this supposedly like righteous indignation. Yeah. On the part of an oppressed group. Yeah. That they launder into hostile and antisocial behavior. Yeah. Because it gives them a. licensed as you know yeah and it's really about the hostile and antisocial behavior it's like

mystery grove tweet about communism yeah it's like their that's the first order and jealousy um okay i don't want to huh i'm not trying to be a bitch and i don't want to fight but i saw will mannaker was responding to jd vans and he said jd is always willing to hug any anchor thrown his way if he thinks it'll get him a pat on the head from a father figure or gassed up by the group chat. This was in response to J.D. Vance's like perfectly neutral and reasonable. I think J.D.'s been going too hard.

He's, I don't think he's being, he's, there's not enough. Or there wasn't definitely, at least when he first made remarks. He probably knew. He was briefed,

unlike Zoron. But he's basically like accusing Vance of pandering to Donald Trump and right wing and ons. while simultaneously like pandering to his base and telling them what they want to hear. Well, that's, yeah, sounds like straight up projection. But that's really annoying and unclean.

Like, why do you people fight like this? I mean, what I think a valid criticism of JD is that he is not, much like the ice officers de-escalating, which would be I don't know I think that there is a more diplomatic way Yeah and you can actually probably make the case that like J.D. Vance is like too online

Definitely. And posting too hard. Yeah. In other instances but in this case it does not apply actually in that specific response that he quote, I should pull up that response because it was like He posts a lot but VPs kind of don't do anything. So.

That is kind of his job. But it's like, you know what I'm saying? It's like a muddling, a mixing of metaphors. Like, Will is fighting dirty. But, and he knows it too. I was very, I found it, I found that JD invoking the ICE officer's like previous, uh, injury. But that's totally reasonable because this guy is, like, his life is, like, his life is,

under threat. But it's not like. But yeah, even that aside, you're right, it's not relevant. What's relevant is that did the guy

have a cause to fear for his life and act in self-defense in that present moment regardless of what her intentions, which couldn't have been known to him because he's not a mind reader were. And it's like, yes, he did because she does graze him with her car

when she's peeling off. And it's like unfortunate and unfair and a tragic and retarded incident. Again, I feel very sorry for this woman and her family and her children. Don't think she deserves to die. I feel really bad for this guy too. Don't think he was like prepared to take a life that day probably. Yeah. Yeah.

And people are like, New York Post running stories about how he has like an immigrant Filipino wife to like showcase his hypocrisy and being an ice age. which no hypocrisy detected. I don't think the New York Post was doing that. No, they did. They posted, they like, um, no, but if you read the article, they're very much on his side. No, I know, I know, but they posted his face, his identity.

I think his face was already out there. This was the JD Vans tweet. Watch this as hard as it is. Many of you have been told this law enforcement officer wasn't hit by a car, wasn't being harassed and murdered an innocent woman. The reality is that his life was endangered and he fired in self-defense. This is like a totally boilerplate neutral straightforward tweet with no moral content whatsoever. Like of all the tweets Will Meneker could have chosen.

This wasn't the one. Also in JD's defense, he is combating like a media narrative that people who aren't online and not like watching the footage from all angles are receiving. Yeah. which is an ice agent shot of innocent young mother of car they want it to be true but he's not going about it in like a nuanced diplomatic politically savvy way he's just like inflaming tensions that already are very like feel very like dangerous and high yeah and and I think there's a smarter way to go about it to present the facts in a way that

at least feels more neutral, which he really doesn't. Yeah. Someone responded to like... That would give him more authority. Sure. Yeah. I don't, I mean, I don't know. I think he's just like, he has like a millennial teacher's pet disease, which I also have,

which is that he's trying to like clarify and explain the situation. at all times. He could do it better. And ain't nobody want that. I get it. He could do it better. He's too emotional. Somebody said to me in response to some tweet I made that likewise, the right will defend

ICE even if they line up protesters above a ditch and shoot them, which is such a histrionic and manipulative way of arguing because as it stands now, ICE has never done that in the history of their existence. But you want it to be true. it's like Pedro Gonzalez let a tranny step to my kids Like it's a wishful thinking Cuck cope fantasy

You want it to be true That ICE is the modern day Gestapo And that they're rounding up Innocent civilians and citizens And lining them up and shooting them Well it's just larp for so many of these people Until it's not In this instance

But for you know a lot of grassroots political protest activity it's completely disconnected. Yeah and like people were mad at me because I said her name being Renee Nicole Good was like nominal determinism

and they thought I was like mocking her life and death but it is nominal determinism. It's like all of these big incidents that like reach a national pitch obviously have like symbolic weight behind them and like she thought she was being a good person. I mean it yeah. It occurred to me. Yeah.

Like she believed she believed. I said they shot a woman. I said her name was good. Yeah. I said damn. Yeah. She's that's bad. She's good and they're bad.

Yeah. And it's like it's like beautiful in Dostoevskian, you know. It's almost it's like as beautiful. beautiful and symbolic as like the Irene Zerutska murder where you know this like poor Ukrainian woman flees a literal war zone to be stabbed by like a feral black vagrant on public transit in America yeah I have yeah well Charlie Kirk really took the the momentum away from the arenas of Kutski stuff. And she just doesn't, her name just doesn't have quite a ring to it is good.

Yeah. I guess Kirk means church. Yeah. Let that sink in. Think about it. But yeah, it's not that Renee Good was bad. Yeah. It's that.

well, Elia Kazan talks about he has a book about directing to circle back about street crime desire where he has this very astute analysis

of Blanche Dubois and he says that a tragedy is when a person is doomed by the inevitable contradictions of their character and I would add that contemporary tragedy also has to do with like the contradictions of society.

And in Renee Goods case, yeah. That are reflected in the contradictions of somebody's character. That is like what is so tragic about it is that she's like a product of the society of society as is the ice agent as are like all of the actors in this situation. Yeah, yeah. And a picture plane. Whoa. Replied to that

nominal determinism tweet and was like, these guys are saying that she deserves to get killed because she's a lesbian. That's not the point. The point is like the causality. She's a lesbian

because she's been burned by life so many times as a product of her society. I mean. It is just crazy to be a... It's not that they're... A mother and a... Like, she's not... Okay, yeah.

And then she's not a queer person. Yeah, she's not a lesbian. She's a woman who's been burned by men and is down on her luck who has turned to lesbianism and left-wingery. This other lesbian preyed on. Yeah, to like cope with her circumstances. She's like a calm. troubled person, much like George Floyd was.

He wanted to make it seem like they were saying that ICE killed her because they're like modern day fascist Gestapo agents who are anti-progress and anti-LGBT. But that's not what's going on here. No. they're I mean I do think they are obviously under a tremendous amount of pressure they have a lot of people making their jobs harder

but they've also we've there's been a mass recruitment of ice agents and it's possible that they're not adequately trained Yes, and it's also possible that it's selecting for a certain type of Ideologically possessed person because it's such an objectively thankless job Like why would anybody sign up to be a law enforcement officer? It pays pretty well.

Okay, like how well? Um, I think like starting salary is like 60. Okay. Which is good, you know. Yeah, which is pretty good. And it's not like it's people, I also see people being like they're just, they like recruit, they're just, they're not like just letting anyone be an ice agent, but they have had to hire so many ice agents that they can't possibly be like adequately, uh, controlling and training them.

And that's why they might be like excessively forceful or trigger happy also. I don't, I honestly don't even know if that's the case here. because they like, aren't prepared. Right, yeah. Aren't, in part, because of what they're dealing with isn't just, like, rounding up migrants, but now they have, like, an additional job of, like, mitigating protest activity.

Yeah. Which isn't their job. Yeah. So there's just fail. It's failure all the way down. A lot of people fail this lady. the world is like flopping yeah I have to pee real good folks oh BRB okay we've done we're past two hours so we can wrap it up are we done yeah I think we can wrap I guess the last thing I would say is that there there is like I don't really care about hypocrisy at the end of the day because everyone's a hypocrite and you're allowed your hypocrite

And it's like, um, the kind of like easiest, like lowest game to like truffle swine for hypocrisy. But the hypocrisy here is very relevant because I think the people who are like totally, who are like really mad about what happened. And like what would they do in a situation where they needed to call law enforcement to have their back? Right? Like how would they react? They'd expect them to show up. To show up and to take them to take care of them, yeah. Take care of them, which they, for the most part, do.

I've had some experiences with my local police precinct. I won't get into, but. I love cops. Yeah, but even if you don't, like, let's say you live in a society and something bad happens to you. Someone steps to, tries to steal from you, breaks into your house. Like, what are you supposed to do? Like, this whole thing functions, again, against the implicit backdrop that we live in a society, which implies like the state, the law.

it means that there are like authorities that have your back in an impartial way. Well, I think most like centrist slips would concede that point, but they see ICE agents as like, um, uh, uh, the extra. Yeah, like they don't see an unlawful extra judicial arm of the colonialist imperialist state or whatever. Of the Trump administration. Yeah. Yeah. They're like a proxy for. Trump. Yeah. And their frustrations. Mm-hmm. But they are just guys doing their job. That really is.

That's just the truth. Yeah. Yeah, they're guys doing a job that has to exist in our current state of affairs because there are a lot of illegal immigrants in the nation. But I think that the duties of their job, have also have become extra. What do you mean? Like they're not just enforcing immigration law.

They're interfacing with like civilian citizens. Yeah. Psychopaths who are like trying to impede them in doing their job. Mm-hmm. Which is like a whole other job.

We need a new, we need another task force to handle angry lesbians. To handle anti-ice protesters so that ice can get back to do it, to rounding up the immigrant. What did you think they met when they said the future was female, vibes, essays? Well, okay. Also, the Department of Homeland Security isn't doing themselves any favors with like the hype-y edits and stuff. That's just also inflaming.

Yeah, I don't love that either. part of why it's gotten this bad is because they're not just like discreetly enforcing laws. They're like making a spectacle out of it that obviously people respond badly to

and which fuels their like pre-existing hostilities. And all of that has contributed. Yeah, but it really everyone needs to take a beat. I know, I know, but it really confounds the mind that people are

out there protesting on behalf of like a new foreign population that is stealing like billions of dollars. But they don't see it that way. I know, I know. That's not part of their like calculation. They really don't. They see it as like their abolita, like, you know, their neighbors, their communities. They're like who they probably mostly don't even have real relationships. relationships with

because their minds are also like broken and fried. The reason you're a lesbian is because Somalians defrauded your daycares. But they don't, they're not like yeah, it'd be really hard to explain that I think. Mm-hmm. True. But someone should try. It's going to be me.

You have to take behalf of a gentler touch, you know? Yeah. I'm going to eat my words because I'm going to take a bowl. it at a protest. No, don't, Anna. It's going to happen by accident. I'm just going to be milling about. Going to Mariam Nasir's at a sample sale and catching astray at Dimes Square protest.

Well, I think we've covered it all. Yeah, I think we did the show. We'll see you in a now.