Red Scare - Megaflopolis

Episode Date: October 9, 2024

The ladies discuss the Eric Adams indictment and the Vance/Walz VP debate and review Megalopolis....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 We're back. We're back. I'm honestly like in a daze from menstrual cramps. It's crazy. Yeah. I'm on day one of my period. Day three over here. Nice.
Starting point is 00:00:41 We're sinking. That's good. The most synced podcast. I had a pretty rough luteal phase this month. Real red scare hours. Scared of myself, to be honest. Scared of what I'm capable of. Menstrual seclusion isn't going too well. I was pretty, I spent a lot of today like, yeah, like gathering my strength. How's the mood?
Starting point is 00:01:16 The mood's better. It was really, really bad prior. And then you get your period, you're like, ah, yeah, I was like, oh yeah, I was like, oh, yeah, I was like Every month women being a woman I know it's so it sucks And then I like I'll be such a bitch to my boyfriend and then I get my period. I'm like Docile and scared because I'm like in pain and wanna hide and stuff. And I get really nice.
Starting point is 00:01:50 Yeah, and you like want him to comfort you, and resent him. Once I'm into my period, I'm way more. It's fine, yeah. It's the- You wake up on day two or three, you feel skinny and ready to take on the world. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:02:07 But yeah, the blind sides of every month. And no, every month I'm like, I'm finally gonna go through with it. I'm gonna detonate the vest. Yeah, I can't go on like that. You guys are gonna be sorry. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, she died as she lived, getting clowned on by leftists.
Starting point is 00:02:29 Getting clowned on by Azalea Banks. Can I just say, I don't want to really address it, but it is my... I'm scared of black people laughing at me and calling me a riseless insult and stuff. Like that is, I'm not even racist. I am scared of black people laughing at me and saying I'm bad at sex or, you know. Like an autistic squirrely loser or something, you know? So I was like, oh no.
Starting point is 00:03:05 I was like, it's finally happening. It's like it triggers something in you, yeah. I'm just scared of Geminis. Amen. I think Azalea's a brilliant, beautiful woman. Yeah. And I wish her the best. I want her to win, but man, that takes me back
Starting point is 00:03:24 to being raised by a Gemini mom real hard. Yeah. Cowering in the tiny chair like Shinji. Nice. The fucking one day I log off. You weren't online that day? No, not at all. I went to a nice family dinner with Eli and the baby
Starting point is 00:03:49 in Little Ili. I had also a very, I went to the young professional, young Catholic professionals gala with Salome. Like beautiful, peaceful day. And then I came home. Just going about your business. Went on my phone at night, about to retire and was like. Fuck, fuck. I'm like, why the fuck are you sending this to me, Perry Abbasi?
Starting point is 00:04:13 Someone's saying I don't know how to get the back shots. I know. Which of course I do. I think you handled it well. Well because yeah, I don't want to to be a position where I'm like, I do swallow the low. No, I'm sexually active, you know, like that's you've already lost. Uh huh. That's very I have had sex. Yeah. My heart's palpitating. I feel like I took some adderall just by thinking about I purged that incident from my mind when I fired off a bunch of like unrelated tweets.
Starting point is 00:04:59 No, yeah, Barry. No, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to, I just came to mind. I for, you know. No, you had like the best possible response. I chose not to respond at all because I'm almost 40 and a mother can't be going on the computer like, I am the throat goat. My voice is like cracking. I just, I do wanna clarify that I haven't given a hand job in like over a decade because who gives hand jobs? I do. I have. We all have. It also brought me back to like the early
Starting point is 00:05:39 days of the pod when we were much more crass and vulgar and like my mom would call me up and be like well let's see you girls are doing so great i'm so proud of what you and Dasha have accomplished in such a short time but why do you have to talk about dick sucking what's wrong with you we still do some blue humor yeah and now and then but yeah yeah, I think we were nervous. We were deflecting. Yeah. Being vulgar, like call her daddy.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Or Madonna. Everyone's scared of black people and getting roasted by them. It's real, I was like, no. And as a- No. As like a famous black person, you have to know and you have to not feel so great about the fact that people walk on eggshells around you because everyone's too scared to clap back.
Starting point is 00:06:28 Yeah, same. I mean, I'm definitely scared. I'm shaking like a leaf. We're going to review Megalopolis. More like Megaflopolis. Nice, yeah. But it does kind of dovetail nicely with the Eric Adams business. Black mayor. And the shady advanced Tim Walls VP debate.
Starting point is 00:07:03 Yeah, it's actually. I frankly don't remember either of those, but. I thought the debate was entertaining. Yeah. Vance really locked in. Yeah, he really won that thing. Yeah, the Yale really jumped out. He carried it.
Starting point is 00:07:26 Yale-y. And I was like energized. He was giving and serving IV. I was pumped. Yeah. Yeah. He was serving Dasha at the Yale today. He was being coquettish.
Starting point is 00:07:42 He was being coquettish looking at the camera. I want to see him in a cable knit sweater. He was being coquettish looking at the camera. I wanna see him in a cable knit sweater. Oh yeah, I wanna see him just look like an anime character. I thought Usha looked great in her little maroon getup. Indian girls love jumpsuits and they love jewel tones. Oh yeah, well they look great in the, a nice marigold. She just like me for real, she like dyed her roots
Starting point is 00:08:10 for the event. Fresh. I didn't really catch her, but I believe. It was all the way at the end and I was like, who's that girl with the nice body and the skinny arms? And it was Usha Vance. Cool. Lighting it up like Diwali.
Starting point is 00:08:27 I guess there's. I think it was Diwali recently. I always get that in my- It was like six months ago. No, dude. I don't know. I don't know if Diwali is like one of those cyclical things or if it's like on a stable calendar.
Starting point is 00:08:42 But yeah, I noticed that even like Vance's biggest enemies had to admit, acknowledge that he really nailed it like David Frum and David French and all those guys. I mean, the optics were undeniable, which is most of winning a debate is just the side by side. All the hoes were saying he was weird and now they're saying he's hot.
Starting point is 00:09:06 He did, yeah. I was like, God, I hate women. Like, can you ladies not make it about sex for once? Like, you don't have to fall in love with every single guy who demonstrates basic competence and intelligence. I know we ladies love a man with a high IQ, but come on now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:29 I mean, yeah, I've found his like, coquettish gym from the office-esque side glances. Yeah. To be some nice millennial representation. Yeah. He was kind of, yeah. Yeah, the age of the elder millennial representation. Yeah. He was kind of, yeah. Yeah. The, the age of the elder millennial is upon us. Gen X and shambles and suicide watch
Starting point is 00:09:58 walls look really scared, which may be sad. Yeah. He looked red faced and panicked. And then I was again, like Anna, you're being such a woman. I saw your tweet and I had the same reaction. It was like, I almost feel sorry for him. And people were clowning on me for saying that, but it's like, I said, I felt sorry for him. I didn't say I was gonna vote for him. Yeah. I'm not a liberal.
Starting point is 00:10:19 I don't like respond to pity. Of course not. No, but it's, yeah. I mean, it just makes me feel like I do feel bad for him the way I feel bad for Biden. You know the Dems like trot someone out and like just put them in the line of fire like that. And you know as expected this debate was like a slightly higher IQ more policy focused version of the presidential debate, which is good. And I think like what Vance did really well
Starting point is 00:10:52 was that he restored us to the time when debates were more intellectual and he made people remember that, which is positive. And he did that again today in Butler PA at the Trump rally when he gave a speech, like he's obviously a guy Who is not as funny or spontaneous as Trump who's like a once-in-a-lifetime genius like comedically aesthetically speaking, but he does bring like a more like sober moderate
Starting point is 00:11:21 Articulate vibe to the whole thing and really is, as I said several episodes ago, like the future of the Republican Party, which is good. Yeah. It's a positive development. I mean, yeah, he needs to refine his like improvisational skills, but he clearly is very well-spoken, very well-prepared.
Starting point is 00:11:48 Yeah, I mean, it does feel like when he's speaking that he's memorized a speech, unlike Trump who's always speaking off the cuff. Yeah, and meandering. So that's, to me, there's a silver lining in that because I can't memorize anything for shit because I have inattentive ADHD much like you and I'm like completely like-
Starting point is 00:12:07 I'm trying to beat this thing. Addled by the internet. So it's nice to see like a person in my age group. Yeah, not be like a damaged- Who is like a thorough and articulate, yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah, he doesn't seem like an alcoholic.
Starting point is 00:12:25 Yeah, and I also like the thing that he did where he praised Walls for having a normal human reaction to things and for wanting some of the same things because that made him look classy and elegant. Yeah, and then it also kind of undermined the dem strategy of like making Vance and Trump seem like extreme and weird.
Starting point is 00:12:49 Yeah, yeah. Cause it's like if Vance is such a like dangerous incel extremists, why you guys have so much common ground. Yeah, and why are you guys shaking hands? I think they didn't shake hands. No, like at the end. Oh, at the end.
Starting point is 00:13:03 When the debate was over, there was a moment before the wives took the stage where they were like really cordial and almost congenial. They looked like they were having a good time chatting, which was also I think positive and uplifting because we're so used to like having such a polarized and divisive political climate. Well, that I think I would attribute some of it to them. Midwestern sensibility. True. You know, just two nice Midwestern boys seething with rage.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Walls quoting Trump about climate change being a hoax and joking how it'll create more beachfront properties also played to Trump's advantage because it like affirmed his comedic genius. Yeah whenever they like remind you of something funny Trump said. Yeah. We clap and cheer like circus heels. Vance also like committed that massive unforced error of admitting that he misspoke about the China timeline but he was so walls yeah. The thing is their names also. Yeah. And Colder had that too, where she called him Tim Vance.
Starting point is 00:14:09 Yeah. Uh, and then said something about the bimbo moderator, but walls and vans do have unfortunately, like very similar. Like I do get my wires. Correct. Tim walls, Jay Vance. It's like, it's all been the same like sound. Yeah, and honestly, when they first appeared
Starting point is 00:14:30 behind the podiums, the podio, whatever, my first impression was like father and son. This is like the aristocrats. And then the moderators were like mother and daughter. Right. They looked similarly aged to me. Yeah, I couldn't tell which one was younger. But Vance and Walls are both these jolly moon-faced,
Starting point is 00:14:53 but secretly rage issues guys. Yeah. I mean, very true. The most amazing part of the debate was when Vance talked over the female moderators and had like Jessica Valenti and Ann Applebaum and all these feminists live towards in a tizzy. Right. They really set him up for that with the bimbo moderators.
Starting point is 00:15:21 Yeah. And he was talking about he was clarifying the legal status of the Haitian migrants in Springfield. Was that the idea? I don't remember. But you know, They were doing some nebulous fact checking and attempting to, which is not,
Starting point is 00:15:37 they should stop doing that. Yeah, and it's like, let the lies flow. But it's like, how do you fact check a debate? It's like, if one guy says something that's like patently false, it's up to his debate opponent to fact check him on that. Right?
Starting point is 00:15:58 That's like the nature of the debate format. Unfortunately, like with the state of politics, I feel like there's so much flagrancy in the, you know, it's like, it would be hard, I think, because kind of both sides, the walls really was dropping. It's like they drop so many lies that you can't like derail to like debunk every single thing you say you have to like address kind of like the substance of their claims.
Starting point is 00:16:27 Yeah, but they do literally like bombard you with lies to incapacitate. I mean, the project 2025 really drives me nuts. Yeah. And the immigration bill, which they keep bringing up and their talking points. Yeah. Are really make me feel gaslit. Yeah. And I was like mildly disappointed in Vance because he also failed to deliver the kill shot much like Trump. But in his case, it didn't really matter as much
Starting point is 00:16:55 because he was so put together and articulate during the whole thing. But yeah, and it's like all the femtards were freaking out about how this is a handmaid's tale type scenario where men talk over women and mansplain, but it's like you, this is what equality looks like. You wanted equal rights and representation. And you have a mute button.
Starting point is 00:17:19 Yeah. And they didn't mute him for a while. Yeah. They let him go off because they were aware of the entertainment value. Come on. Yeah. And how it would make, he already, he's trying to beat the misogynist in cell allegations.
Starting point is 00:17:34 Yeah. So it's like beneficial to the Dems to let him kind of. Yeah. Chimp a little. Yeah. And I think like walls, it's funny that the whole JD Vance's weird narrative was allowed to go on for as long as it did, because if anyone is weird, it's walls.
Starting point is 00:18:00 I mean, he has like the, um, mouth of a pedophile. I know, but Walls is, yeah, he's very middle America in a way that I think is familiar to people. Yeah, and I was trying to figure out what about him rubs me the wrong way. Cause obviously he's like an inveterate Democrat liar that goes without saying that doesn't bother me so much.
Starting point is 00:18:24 It's just a kind of par for the course, whatever. And I was thinking like, well, is it his normal guy, salt of the earth tone that feels so fake? Like when he's like, oh, shucks, I just have bad grammar and I'm a knucklehead. Yeah. This self-effacing every man thing. Yeah, and I think his tone is actually
Starting point is 00:18:47 pretty authentic to him it's just that you can tell that underneath his bearing he doesn't actually believe anything that he's saying. I'm I can't tell honestly. Yeah it's hard to say I was trying to articulate it for myself. Cause he might honestly. Like I'm sure he does think like, you know. I think like the nicest, most charitable thing you can say about him is that he believes he believes, but I wouldn't even go that far.
Starting point is 00:19:20 And that's like the creepy and weird part. It does, I mean, and like he really let like Minnesota burn, you know, and you wonder like, every time I see him I'm like, he's giving Doug Henwood. Is Doug Henwood a dog? He's like an OG leftist posting king who's gotta be in his 50s or 60s and he's like polyamorous. Right.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Yeah. I can envision his profile picture. Yeah, you sure can. I can see it. I can see it in my mind. I have to go to the bathroom. Oh yeah. I have to go to the bathroom. I'm back, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:20:13 Oh yeah, I wanted to say like the way also that he handled the abortion and immigration questioning was really good. Yeah, like. Abortion's just, he's in a tough spot. Yeah, and it was right on the heels of Melania announcing that she's pro-choice. Which she's-
Starting point is 00:20:32 Because a woman's greatest freedom is her body. You know, allegedly, yeah, she espouses her pro-choice views in her book. Right. But the video that she actually posted, which I've been enjoying a lot of her, um, yeah, her like book, her memoir promo content, but, um, she's not really overtly saying that she's,
Starting point is 00:20:58 I don't think she cares and I don't think Trump cares. And like, I'm sure from should Vance's pro choice. Of course. I mean, come on. I know. But with Vance, it and like, I'm sure Usha Vance is pro-choice. Of course, I mean, come on. I know, but with Vance, it's like, yeah, he's just in a jam because he's Catholic. Yeah, but he's right to point out that if you wanna minimize abortion, you have to give people and families. I know, but that's more options and choices that actually mean something.
Starting point is 00:21:28 I know, but to Walls' credit, he did point out that you can have pro-family policies and still not have an abortion ban. Right. Yeah. But I think everybody would low-key agree with that, except for Vance, possibly because he's a Catholic but also You know, it's like there's not even that much stuff that Contemporary Catholics
Starting point is 00:21:55 Are like required to believe but being pro-life is sort of like one of the central tenets And it's just not a viable political Yeah, I read an essay and it's just not a viable political position. I read an essay he wrote a few years ago about his conversion to Catholicism because yeah, people were in the Catholic community, texted me both about Vance and the Melania thing, which yeah, I also saw like Catholics on Twitter being like, she
Starting point is 00:22:26 should be deprived of communion and stuff because she's not, because she's also a Catholic. It's like she married a twice divorced like Protestant guy. Like she's obviously's possibly an escort. She's obviously not a trad cat. Yeah. You know, she's doing her own thing. She's a fierce and powerful contemporary woman. But I saw people treating this like admission promotional material as some kind of like betrayal of Trump.
Starting point is 00:23:04 It was like a gotcha right like I mean smoking gun like I think there's no way that like They didn't that Trump didn't read her memoir or like yeah, no, what's it like I Don't think she's like gone rogue No, I think it's all you know, pretty strategic. Yeah, it's like designed to sell her book. Which I pre-ordered months ago. Yeah. And you haven't gotten it yet. No, I don't think it's out yet. She's going on Fox tomorrow on Sunday to do an interview. She just like me for real. She's going on Truth with Vivek Ramaswamy.
Starting point is 00:23:53 And then the immigration point, the way that he handled that was really good because he failed to or didn't take the moderator's bait about family separation. Oh, yeah. And he said that like in Kamala's America, 320,000 migrant children are already lost. They're being like trafficked as slaves or used as drug mules. And he really like masterfully dodged the trap of explaining how deportations would be carried out. Yeah. Which was like the specific question that they really wanted him to answer
Starting point is 00:24:29 because they wanted him to paint himself into a corner of cruelty and sadism. And with the abortion thing he did as well as he could have as well. Yeah, and it's like a slippery slope because if you say that yes, we're gonna deport them all, then that implies that it's gonna be brutal and holocaust-like and families will be separated and children will be on their own and da da da and it
Starting point is 00:24:51 like of course that's like not gonna happen i mean it might i mean i saw a twitter buddy of mine having an interesting conversation about the idea of deportation and how it needn't be like cruel and sadistic because you just have all you have to do is basically turn off the spigot turn off the faucet of benefits and give people like a $500 ticket to go back. It's not like people are going to be rounded up in cattle cars and like summarily executed and I doubt it'll even ever come to that. Come on. I mean, there probably won't even be that many deportations. Yeah, they're not going to build the wall. They're not going to really send them back. Like they're just saying that they might might like a little, but like there's not, it's just no way, come on.
Starting point is 00:25:46 Yeah, but like long story short. Don't get your hopes up. He really like evaded all the traps and the bait that they laid for him. Yeah, I mean, yeah, even with abortion, I think it's just, you know, short of saying like, yeah, I'm pro-life. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:06 He's like Liz Breunig on our pod, like, yeah, I'm privately pro-life, but publicly I'm kind of pro-choice. Or yeah, kick it back to the States. That seems sound to me. And then you can always tell, like I really, I mean everyone does this, but Dems, especially this election cycle,
Starting point is 00:26:32 have been giving you the harrowing little anecdote, and saying their name, and telling you some twisted little tale about a woman bleeding in her car, driving across state lines. twisted little tale about a woman bleeding in her car or driving a 12 year old who was raped by they fail to mention a migrant, but It's just not it's really mmm, I find it like insulting Yeah, it's like insulting To the intelligence of the public and to women especially.
Starting point is 00:27:06 But I think I said this already again on a previous episode. To us, yeah, it feels like baroque and vulgar to go down that road. But I think like for libs, it's catnip and they really eat it up. I mean, my honestly, pretty centrist take, which I've probably tried to articulate before, but I don't really like, no one's, I don't really see people saying that, but it's like, much like birth,
Starting point is 00:27:40 the medicalization of the abortion is perhaps a little extra. And like women have sort of self administered abortions in times of like peril and need. And they're not, I don't think it's, obviously there's risks of complication much like other things that like, you know, you go to the doctor for ostensibly.
Starting point is 00:28:04 But, and I personally don't know what the methods are, but you know, if you were in like a red state, you can definitely go on like some witchcraft Reddit or something and like find a way to have a board, like. Yeah, I know I can already see don't know the leftist like piling on and the subreddit and being like, but that's the whole point that people were dropping like flies before abortion became like an industrial scale phenomenon. But obviously like, yeah, we have the like back alley coat hanger associations. But at that point, if
Starting point is 00:28:40 you're, you know, then it probably is a little too late for you to like have the abortion, you know, but that's what I'm saying. Early in your pregnancy, you can probably figure out a way to make that bang less violent. I don't endorse this. I'm just telling it like it is. Women, you have to hawk to your bleeding fetus.
Starting point is 00:29:01 No, there was that story a while back that I think we mentioned of this young girl and her mother who were sentenced to jail time and they frankly got a slap on the wrist because they were in a red state and they like aborted her fetus and buried it in like a shallow ditch in the middle of a field somewhere. And at that point, I think she was like over 30 weeks pregnant, which is just like bizarre and monstrous and like an outlier.
Starting point is 00:29:31 Like why would you even wait that long? I mean, that seems nuts, yeah. Yeah, and then there was like the story that was going around recently of like that beautiful young woman, which like brought tears to my eyes who died because she the Democrats were making it seem like she had like bled out because the health
Starting point is 00:29:52 practitioners refused her medical care because they were worried that it would be like a legal liability but it turns out that she had gotten sepsis from complications due to the abortion pill. And she had already come to them in like an extremely sick and dire state and ended up dying and leaving behind a six year old, which is like really tragic and sad. And like I feel for her. But as always, these stories are outliers and very often falsified. Right, or like cherry picked. I mean, the anecdotal evidence is just, I don't know. You know, when I was at Yale,
Starting point is 00:30:38 we don't find that kind of thing like really admissible in the IVD. Like what's the statistic, like 1% of abortions in the country or something like that or like late term abortions? That sounds about right, I mean. Like most abortions take place in the first eight weeks of the pregnancy, like something like 93%.
Starting point is 00:31:02 So it is like monstrous for places such as my home state of New Jersey to have abortion laws in place that allow you to abort at the bitter end. I don't know if anyone really makes use of them, but it's like it's the thing that Trump said at some point. I don't remember where or when he said this but He made it very clear that he's for abortion in Extreme cases where there's like the life of the mother is concerned or It's a case of like rape or incest or there's some serious congenital deformity Ronald Reagan. Yeah, I believe this
Starting point is 00:31:45 But he's obviously pro-choice broadly. Like he doesn't admit. My feeling about it is that like, we've been over this a million times. I don't even know if I need to repeat myself, but like, especially once you have a child and you know what that's like,
Starting point is 00:32:03 like you become privately very pro-life. But you can't like hand people something like abortion and then take it away. I mean, there's just no viable way for there to be like a full abortion ban. That's crazy. Yeah. And I'm not gonna fly. My only point is that it is a tragic ethical concern anytime it goes down. Of course.
Starting point is 00:32:40 No, it's a decision that people make that is an extreme constant. It's like a matter of life or death. Truly. But I can't sit here and tell anyone that I think there should be a nationwide abortion ban, and you personally can't get an abortion because I changed my mind about it. an abortion because I changed my mind about it. I mean, I wouldn't either. And I'm, you know.
Starting point is 00:33:10 It's one of those. I'm probably more like pro-life than the average person, but yeah. So I'm like, I just, the unforeseen consequences of legislation don't necessarily make like a hard moral rule to be the best outcome. Yeah, and it's like, it's one of those annoying, intractable problems that shouldn't be at the forefront
Starting point is 00:33:31 of a political campaign, but here we are. It sucks, I hate the abortion debate. I know. I wish we could handle it like Europe. How do they do it? They love it. Eight weeks. Yeah. They have way more stringent abortion laws than we had in the United States. Yeah, but they have
Starting point is 00:33:55 us more of a safety net. Some of them. Yeah, but they require it like after a certain point they require like a doctor's know a legitimate reason to abort right but up until then it's on demand no questions asked. I mean yeah I don't know it's I'm not a policy wonk you know I don't know like I can't really take a hard line, though maybe Vans I should as, you know, too coquette Catholic, trad, and you know, edgelord millennials. Two anime eyes icons.
Starting point is 00:34:41 He does have insane anime eyes. Eli actually had a good take on this because he was very like fair weather on Vance up until he saw the debate. And he was in his kind of like dumb but profound man way. He was like, oh yeah, like, I get why people thought Vance was weird. It's because he has those big beautiful like piercing blue eyes of a Siberian husky that look like he's wearing like eyeliner and mascara and it just looks like uncanny Valley, you know, yeah, the double lash mutation. He's got his the lashes. He must have been a beautiful baby. What can I say? context of the American political discourse because he is highly intelligent and articulate,
Starting point is 00:35:34 which you don't really see anymore. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I thought Walls was also, you know, he wasn't like Kamala, he dealt with things pretty articulate. Like that's why it was a good debate because they both sort of, once they got advanced, it's impossible to say he didn't win.
Starting point is 00:35:55 But Wallace was, he held his ground, he made good, it was, yeah, it was a night, I found the debate enjoyable just because it was sort of, it felt relatively matched in terms of their preparation. They matched each other's freak. And there was decorum, which the Dems loved to claim they were bringing back. And in that way, well, Vance, Tim Vance was great. And JD Walls. Well, Vance Vance, Tim Vance was great.
Starting point is 00:36:27 J.D. Walls. Should we talk about my goal? Do we want to touch on Eric Adams or is there really nothing to say? I mean, I was going to, I guess. Yeah. He I don't know actually what's transpired lately. But he took bribes from the Turkish government that weren't even monetary. It's what I read in the New York Post,
Starting point is 00:36:56 the paper of record. He got like a shipment of zins or something. He got some zins, he got some, he upgraded to business class. Yeah. And he got to stay like the four seasons in Istanbul. They basically gave him like free upgrades to the Turkish Airlines business class,
Starting point is 00:37:15 which I would do the same thing. I know. I would take, I would, do you guys know how nice business classes? It's totally worth corruption. Any. Yeah. Once you fly business class, you can never go back. It's a real tragedy.
Starting point is 00:37:30 It's not even about the money. It's just about sending a message. Yeah. And let Eric Adams start a podcast. Get those perks. Get those partnerships. He can run ads. He's not above that.
Starting point is 00:37:44 My two cents on this is that like every politician, especially at his level is involved in some self-dealing and graft. So why him and why now? And the speculation was that he came out against unlimited immigration to New York. That's why he was targeted. I don't know if that's true he came out against unlimited immigration to New York. That's why he was targeted.
Starting point is 00:38:06 I don't know if that's true because if I remember correctly, he was very wishy washy and mealy-mouthed about that whole thing. It's not like he came out full force and was like, I'm a foundational black American and I don't want those weird scary Africans up in my city. He said like a very reasonable and moderate thing, which is like, um, we,
Starting point is 00:38:33 the city is incapable of dealing with the influx and you guys in DC are going to have to do something about it. But he wasn't like particularly extreme or dramatic. I actually found his remarks at the time, I think, to be like a little disappointing. So I don't know if that whole story adds up. I mean, maybe, I don't know. Yeah, I think it's possible that he was just sort of like
Starting point is 00:39:04 sloppy, maybe in a way that made it hard to suppress. When a Jewish guy's the mayor, he's a little better at the corruption. You know? Their networks are a little more, you know, Turks and a black mayor, come on, that's just a mess.
Starting point is 00:39:23 My favorite subplot of that is that he had... They said don't mention the Armenian Holocaust. They didn't mention the Armenian genocide. Oh, I keep calling it the Armenian Holocaust. It is. But yeah, it was really the first kind of Holocaust, but then, you know. Armenians are very fond of reminding the Jews
Starting point is 00:39:44 that Hitler took inspiration from the Turks and that this was the first industrial scale technologically advanced genocide, which is probably true. I haven't really looked into it myself, but yeah, that was hilarious that these like Turkish like consultants and diplomats even had that at the back of their heads, like that it would even occur to them to tell Eric Adams to not mention the Armenian genocide. Like who cares?
Starting point is 00:40:19 Like what else did he, oh, I guess they let, right. It was in, there were like some Turkish like construction interests. I guess they let, right. It was in, there were like some Turkish like construction interests. I think the embassy, they like, he cleared the way, he cleared some red tape for them to like do some construction. Yeah, but it's like, okay, my feeling about this is like a politician, because he's a politician,
Starting point is 00:40:41 is entitled to some corruption and bribery as long as the city that he's in charge of runs well as long as the the streets are clean and crime-free which like I guess he gave us trash cans but he's not doing too hot yeah but how I don't know I've struggled I mmm it's hard for me to I know I haven't had strong feelings about Eric Adams besides sort of enjoying him yeah um but it's hard for me to tell how much like a mayor can really do you know he's got that bitch Kathy Hoechle yeah that's the thing it's like if they on his ass they're gonna replace him Yeah, that's the thing. It's like if they remove him, they're gonna replace him with something
Starting point is 00:41:26 that's so much worse. It's like, yeah, they got rid of Cuomo and replaced him with that cunt, Kathy Hochul. Yeah, exactly. So. So yeah, I don't know. It's hard to say like, oh, this stuff, like business in the city is bad, it's the mayor's fault.
Starting point is 00:41:46 You know, I feel like the mayor in a lot of ways, like a scapegoat for it. Yeah, sure, yeah. I mean, the best thing that Eric Adams ever did was that like 2013 video where he was like demonstrating, had to search your child's room for like drugs and guns and other contraband. That was so funny.
Starting point is 00:42:05 I saw like a reaction video by Theo Vaughn and Shane Gillis to it. And they're both, I guess, like kind of comics, but they were so much less funny than the original video. They were just like rephrasing it. Restating it is extremely funny. I mean, I love the he's on some talks for talking about how New York is an amazing city, you anything get happening to see a plane flying into the world. I mean, I love the, he's on some talks for talking about how New York is an amazing city. You, anything can happen. You can see a plane flying into the World Trade Center
Starting point is 00:42:29 or you can see a small business celebrating. Uh. You know, yeah. And I love in that video where he's like, look behind the picture frame. There could be bullet casings as if like the kind of kids who have guns and drugs in their room also have like a well stocked bookshelf.
Starting point is 00:42:48 I know. It's so funny. The popular knapsack and it's like literally the most unpopular knapsack that kids definitely knapsack. It's like a black Roli case that like chump civil servants take on the Acela to travel between New York and DC. It's like what I'm going to be carrying. The kids don't have that. They have like Paw
Starting point is 00:43:13 Patrol and Spider-Man. Or like Jansport maybe still. Herschel. Yeah. Herschel seems kind of... Fjallraven. I don't know if the kids are rocking the Fjallraven. That and Herschel both feel like millennial. 35 year old like low T Google employees. Creative.
Starting point is 00:43:34 Or like the content creator people. Or like girls who go to Europe. Yeah. Like NPC checks in Europe with the Fjallraven. like NPC checks in Europe with the Fjallraven. But much like Eric Adams, the mayor in Parenzos for Coplos, Megalopoulos is black. It's literally Gus Spring from Breaking Bad. Yeah, it's that guy. And you're like, is he leftist?
Starting point is 00:44:01 Is he conservative? Wait, I have to pee now, and then we can get into the megalopolis. Sounds good. Oh, Elon. I love the photo of- Elon jumping in the air. Yeah, where he looks like retarded or autistic.
Starting point is 00:44:18 If this fits, he's quite high off the ground. I was impressed by, I was likeian. I see he wants fuck with Elon. I'm sorry. I mean, I fuck with the I just I have a realistic I don't know. I don't dis he rubs me the wrong way. Mostly due to being South African, I think even more than the autism and stuff. I mean, he rubs me the wrong way. But I find it in that he's like a corny and poorly socialized person much as myself. So I relate to him, but like,
Starting point is 00:44:54 it's nice to see a guy like that winning. For sure. No, it's endearing, definitely. He's not like Trump. Like Trump is just naturally suave and charismatic. I know. And like lights up any room. And then Elon is like Trump, like Trump is just naturally suave and charismatic. I know. And like lights up any room and then Elon is like this, like there was that point during the rally where he's like, I'm not just MAGA, I'm dark MAGA.
Starting point is 00:45:15 And like no one clapped or cheered. Well he just, when Anna came back from the bathroom, I showed her a tweet. He made about an hour ago that said, make America based again. Yeah. And I'm like, that's, I'm like, that is ende said, Make America Based Again. Yeah. And I'm like, that's, I'm like, that is endearing. It is, yeah. It's nice. And like the photo of him and Trump in Vance,
Starting point is 00:45:33 or Trump is somehow inexplicably like the shortest guy because he's like shrunk due to old age. So cute. It's very cute. I like to see, it makes me feel comforted to see a bunch of like corn-fed Nice tall white guys just hanging out in charge of the country. I Mean yeah, I've I really oscillate
Starting point is 00:45:59 Yeah, that's like a the effect. He should have on you. Yeah, I'm like Yeah, that's like the effect he should have on you. Yeah, I'm like, when things aren't going well, I'm like, I do, I hate the cyber truck. When I see a cyber truck, I'm like, I fucking hate it. I'm like, you put this eyesore in my line of sight, this like horrible truck. Yeah, it's always like some annoying Indian
Starting point is 00:46:23 or Chinese guy driving it. Most of my issues with him are obviously a static and like the Tesla's I'm warmed to, but don't love. Yeah. I don't like the way if you're like Tesla's not charged enough, it like won't let you like drives you to a charging station. It's like the safetyism mechanism that really makes me, I'm like, I should be allowed to drive my Tesla
Starting point is 00:46:47 into the night and let it die and me as well. Like I should be able to drive. I mean, I can't even drive a car, but if I imagine, if I could, I'd want the freedom to drive it wherever I want. Yeah, totally. Well, it's like when he had the Twitter space with Trump and he was like, we should have like a committee
Starting point is 00:47:08 of regulating this and that. Yeah, I mean, it's really, do we really need more committees? I mean, it's unfair the way, I mean, I guess not because he is sort of, I guess he's the richest person in the whole world and does have this power. So maybe it's not completely unfair, but like when the Trump space wasn't working,
Starting point is 00:47:28 I was like, fucking Elon, he messed everything up. He broke X, he broke, he changed. I was like, he's, oh, he took away the likes. Yeah, you know, I'm like, I hold him like personally responsible. And I'm like, oh, how could he not have seen this coming? He's so stupid. Well, I have to say, I was annoyed
Starting point is 00:47:50 by like the new updated version of X where like you have to like hover on something to see the likes and retweets. And then I was like, wait, no, this is actually good because like, I shouldn't be looking at that shit anyway. And it like literally introduces another obstacle and makes it unenjoyable and inefficient. So props to him for that.
Starting point is 00:48:13 I mean, props to him in general for making acts like harder to use. And more racist. Shitty, yeah. And like, he is like accelerating potentially. It's declined, which would maybe be good for all of us. Yeah. I agree.
Starting point is 00:48:31 But Megalopolis. Oh yeah, Megalopolis. Also kind of a muskian figure potentially. Though I'm- And that he's corny and poorly socialized. Yeah. Yeah. In the Adam Driver character.
Starting point is 00:48:44 Okay. So yeah. Megal. Yeah. I'm driver character. Okay. So yeah, my goal is a movie by old man named Francis Ford Coppola, who's 120 million dollars cope a lot, which is really what this movie is about. I wasn't, I didn't go in necessarily with high expectations. I'm not a Coppola fan, to be honest. Am I a fan of Francis Ford Coppola? I have to ask myself that question.
Starting point is 00:49:22 Like I don't give a shit about the Godfather. I pretended for like a boyfriend's benefit in the past, but I kind of don't. I mean, I love Sofia Coppola. I think she has surpassed her father in talent and taste. Well, another interesting take that Eli had was that Magalopolis is Francis Ford Coppola's lost in translation. And I kind of see where he's going with that. That's really interesting.
Starting point is 00:49:50 Okay, say more. So a lot of people were under the impression that this was gonna be like a right wing dog whistle of a movie. It had these like kind of overtly Randian overtones. The fact that he's a wonder kind architect, it harkens back to Ayn Rand's Fountainhead. The kind of-
Starting point is 00:50:16 Haven't read, but I know the vibe, the utopia, the whatever. There's a philosophical bend, there's an architect. Yeah, and like, that's like what I understand the fountainhead. There was like some random ass like Hitler footage in the end that was promising. Did you notice, okay, this is digressing a bit, and spoiler alert, I guess,
Starting point is 00:50:43 when the mayor's mixed race daughter marries the brilliant architect fusing the dynasty of their two families together, there's a celebratory sequence. And the first thing you see is people lighting Hanukkah candles. And I literally, I grabbed my boyfriend. And then two gay Indian guys. I grabbed my boyfriend, I was like,
Starting point is 00:51:02 they're all Jewish? I was like, what is this? I was like, yeah. And he was like, I think like, I was like, they're all Jewish? I was like, what is this? I was like, yeah. And he was like, I think it's meant to show that they're like all celebrating in different ways. But because it like, before I was like, I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I was like, this whole, it's been Jewish the whole time?
Starting point is 00:51:14 Yeah, yeah. And Adam Trevor can also control time. Time. And some of his mind is very Jewish coded. And is Jewish coded, yeah. So I was like, is this, this is- He's like Jason Biggs and is very Jewish coded. Yeah, he's like, yeah. Is this, this is- He's like Jason Biggs.
Starting point is 00:51:29 Is that his name? He's like a guy who's like historically confused for being Jewish even though he's not. Jason Biggs leaned into it by like playing a proxy for Woody Allen in Anything Goes with Christina Fiji. But people were really, really excited about how potentially right wing this film would be. And to me, it was just like kind of a confused
Starting point is 00:51:50 and jumbled centrist clown show that really was a missed opportunity and didn't. I wasn't expecting it to be right-wing. Well, I guess, yeah, because he self-financed and like casted canceled people, like Shia LaBeouf, I guess, and like was sort of going outside of the studio system. He sold his family winery to make this film and compensate his team,
Starting point is 00:52:18 which I guess is very sweet. I think it's selfish, but admirable in a tourish way. I guess. But yeah, I think the only it's clear. Yeah, he has gripes about cancel culture. There's like a me too. We should get into that. But there's nothing.
Starting point is 00:52:42 I think, yeah, to me me the film was like pure dementia. I was like, this is absolutely, this is what Boomer, it was so senile from the jump and I was like, oh, this is like, but it did give me insight into, yeah, how I think Boomer is really too few. The world. The world, yeah. And it was. It is. Yeah, and it was, yeah, and like for me, the more interesting allegory was not the Roman one,
Starting point is 00:53:09 it was the Randian one, obviously, because there are so many like superficial parallel similarities to Fountainhead. Someone said to me that their first reaction was- What is Fountainhead about? I will get into that. Okay, okay. But somebody said to me, this is not a good movie,
Starting point is 00:53:25 but I can't stop thinking about it, and I would agree with that. Same, that stuck with me. Because, you know, like I said on Twitter, it's like a testament to like the kind of rantings and ravings of an old lunatic, basically, who like his programming hasn't been updated. And he cannot cope with the contemporary world. And that was like the most interesting part for me about the movie.
Starting point is 00:53:55 But totally no, he finds like, you know, populist strains of thought to be really like frightening, which I think is true. Yeah. Many like affluent boomers. He's really, the film is really, there is like, he is obsessed with like legacy. Yeah. Right? Because the Copulas are all about like, kind of like institutional nepotism. Yeah. And he has all his like minor Copula nephews and cousins up there.
Starting point is 00:54:30 It's like Talia Shire, Jason Schwartzman. I think Sophia Copula is like TikTok daughter has a little camera. Really cute. But he I think he's I mean, there's literally a part where the black mayor is like, my name is Frank. the black mayor is like, my name is Frank Francis. Yeah, and then you're like, he's a total pro, like he thinks he's the black mayor who likes to do things the old way, but he's become progressive and he's willing to join forces
Starting point is 00:54:58 to defeat like a kind of like Trumpian street in contemporary life with like an ultimately more authoritarian, like progressive is yes. And he also identifies obviously with the Adam Driver character who's like a brilliant genius. But he calls it a fable and it opens up with like the homage to Kubrick 2001, a space Odyssey with all like the satellites and in the air.
Starting point is 00:55:28 You know who actually who I saw right after, who was in the movie theater with me, was part of the pod, Christian Lorenzen. Oh, okay. And he was like, I loved it. Yeah, he would. And he brought up something that sort of escaped me upon my watching of it.
Starting point is 00:55:45 Though I clocked it as being like weird, but he was like the Soviet satellite is about how boomers secretly still wanna get nuked by the Soviets so they can rebuild society in their own image. They want the distraught, they want nuclear annihilation. But the real lesson of this Soviet satellite is more of like the Lindy man take the history of stuck.
Starting point is 00:56:11 We live in a stuck culture. So like there are all these like very striking parallels with Fountainhead, but they're very superficial, cosmetic, they like don't live up to the hype. That like powerful cover image of Caesar Catalina played by Adam Driver holding the T-square that promises a Randian narrative but totally fails to deliver it. The whole idea of Fountainhead is that it's the story of an original once in a lifetime genius who is thwarted every step of the way by leftist group think.
Starting point is 00:56:47 Um, and I think a lot of people probably assume that this is what that movie would be, but it actually to me again, was like a movie that's essentially about how out of touch our legacy filmmakers are. Well, they're so old. He's so old. Does, like we said, it feels senile? Like it's the rantings and ravings of a confused old man. It starts off with people utilizing this like Shakespearean dialogue that then just he abandons basically.
Starting point is 00:57:20 Yeah. And then, yeah, it still has this very, like, they're kind of like, like, ragtag kind of gangsters too, with like cocked fedoras, which is quaint and old fashioned too. Like the corruption is very like old timey, but also like a futuristic Roman thing. Yeah, it's like, well, the city New Rome, which is like a thinly veiled barely allegory
Starting point is 00:57:47 for New York, Gotham. The New Rome Times. It's like a very stylized mashup, you know, it's like ancient Rome, 1940s, WPA, the New Deal, Franklin, Delano Roosevelt, Franklin Cicero. I, um. And then it's mixed also with today's Delano Roosevelt, Franklin Cicero. I. And then it's mixed also with today's like vicious cutthroat reality TV America.
Starting point is 00:58:12 And the vision of like contemporary America that Coppola portrays is basically the America of like 15, 20 years ago. Yeah. I mean. It's like a kind of a mashup of like 15, 20 years ago. Yeah, I mean. It's like a kind of a mashup of like indie sleaze and steampunk aesthetics. The steampunk trappings of course,
Starting point is 00:58:32 rubbed me the wrong way as usual. And then the styling I found to be very chintzy and bad. And just like tone deaf and out of touch. From honestly. Like it's what Francis Ford Coppola thinks Dime Square looks like. There's no way he even knows it. No, no, of course not. But the first thing that I clocked was the in the opening scene of Adam Driver on the Chrysler. First of all, I'm a big fan of the
Starting point is 00:58:57 Chrysler. I can see the Chrysler. I see the Chrysler building and enjoy it. And this movie sort of dampened some of my enthusiasm for the Chrysler building and enjoy it. And this movie sort of dampened some of my enthusiasm for the Chrysler building, which I won't forgive Francis Ford Coppola for. But yeah, when he's on the roof doing his time stop thing, I immediately, it was like his like pristine, stupid boots. And his weird, ugly, like Topshop top man outfit that's also like 20 years old,
Starting point is 00:59:26 like a Nehru collar shirt and like a kind of sateen tuxedo jacket that just looks bad and un-stylish. And it looks like something like a bridge and tunnel person would wear. All of the extras look like people who work in Flatiron, like circa 2005. And also that weird like opening scene
Starting point is 00:59:47 that's like a J Varma COVID orgy, where again, it's like the misshapes. What do you mean? Like it's 2000, which was like the last time that Coppola was sentient. It looks like limelight or the tunnel, like late 90s, early 2000s, like not even Y2K aesthetics.
Starting point is 01:00:11 No, no, no, way, yeah. I mean, a lot of nice crown work. I'll say there was some nice floral crowns. There were some very memorable cinematic moments like the time square, time ticking sequence where the statues crumble in an anamorphic way, which is almost like a meta reference to 1940s, 1950s,
Starting point is 01:00:47 noir cinema. But again- The scene with Adam Driver like driving to see his wife's ghost. Yeah, that's the scene I'm talking about, yeah. The statues melt, oh, is that one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.
Starting point is 01:01:04 But yeah, there were these explicit parallels with the Fountainhead down to the character, his love interest, who is this kind of Meghan Markle-ass mulatta actress. And she's obviously clearly lifted from Dominique Francon, who is the love interest of Howard Roark in The Fountainhead. She's like a nepo baby woman reporter and it's her role throughout the film is very ambiguous. It's unclear whether she loves him or wants to ruin him or a little bit of both.
Starting point is 01:01:40 And at the very end, they walk into the sunset together, like that sort of thing. I mean, the whole idea, the basic idea of the fountainhead, say what you will about Ayn Rand, but her vision was nothing if not coherent, like to the point of over explaining and like connecting the dots. Well, it's a really big, it's a big book. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:04 You know. She has a very unambiguous vision of the world where there is a clear cut distinction between good and evil. Good are elitist, entrepreneurial, exceptional individuals and bad are leftists who worship mediocrity because they're fueled by jealousy and resentment. And that's like really the reason that the left hates Ayn Rand who worship mediocrity because they're fueled by jealousy and resentment.
Starting point is 01:02:25 And that's really the reason that the left hates Ayn Rand because she has clocked them, she has their number. She's like Azalea Banks. And they're obviously mad at her because they're triggered by her. But anybody who was looking for a fountainhead story arc from Megalopolis will be sorely disappointed, obviously. And yeah, sorry, I don't know where I'm going with this.
Starting point is 01:02:58 But it's like. I mean, right. Well, I, to be honest, I've like tried to read Anne Rand in high school. I read the title, The Virtue of Selfishness, which sounded good to me as a teenager. And kind of, you know, I was like, nice. I was like, okay.
Starting point is 01:03:23 and kind of, you know, I was like, nice. I was like, okay. And I think, you know, she's, she knows what she's, you know, the virtues of this. She knows she's doing, she's like, yeah. Well, I mean, whatever you think of her, whatever you say about her, yeah, she had a very, she's taking on a visionary vision, you know. Yeah, but she knows that she's sort of inhabiting
Starting point is 01:03:45 like a villainous kind of role in advocating for things. But I'm gonna read excerpts from Jack's review, which was the best one later, so whatever. No, she knew she was like kicking the hornet's nest, obviously, but I think the big problem is that like Francis Ford Coppola is fundamentally like a dated liberal boomer and he can't pick a side or take a stance and like he can't offer a critique of leftism. That's totally fine in his prerogative, but he also similarly can't offer a critique of the right.
Starting point is 01:04:25 And so it becomes this kind of like giant mucky nothing burger. I mean, there is I mean, his critique of the right is, I think that they are kind of like a vulgar populist movement that rubs like, and in that way maybe it is Randian, I guess, because like the elitist sort of establishment that's represented by the technocracy of Adam Driver's character
Starting point is 01:05:00 and the sort of establishment liberalism of the mayor, that Trumpianism, populism is a direct threat to a kind of cohesion and unity amongst the legacy class. The elite. The unwashed mass. So they have to squash their beef and join hands in a multicultural mixed race. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:05:27 And his critique is that they're deplorable. Yeah. But there was a lot of vaguely right-wing sounding dialogue. When the Laurence Fishburne character says in The Voice Over, when does an empire die? Does it collapse in one terrible moment? No, but there comes a time when people cease to believe in it or when Julia asks Caesar, tell me. Marcus Aurelius three times.
Starting point is 01:05:53 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Tell me of all the institutions your utopia preserves, which is the most important to you, and he says marriage. We're gonna solve the fertility crisis and raise the fuck rate. There's a point where Caesar levels the immigrant neighborhood for his megalopolis, and Claudio, his cousin and rival, seizes on the fact that immigrants can be leveraged to buy votes. There are some really, frankly frankly Nietzschean moments
Starting point is 01:06:27 when Caesar says to Julia, you find me cruel, selfish, unfeeling. Well, I am. I work without care for either one of us. So go back to the club. You hood rat. Greed is but a word jealous men inflict on the ambitious. Coppola ultimately at the end of the day
Starting point is 01:06:42 is too much of a lib cook to know what he wants either way and to enforce his vision. And like the way it ends with like that stone inscription that's like, I pledge allegiance to our human family. It's like those yard signs that libtards have in their front yards that are like, in this house we believe that black lives matter, science is real, no person is illegal.
Starting point is 01:07:04 Like he should have just like put that sign in like a marble engraving. I know. Yeah, we believe in all people, indivisible and for justice for all and education. It was like so, I was like, whoa. But the best reviews of the movie that I've seen so far were by Jack Mason and Armand White.
Starting point is 01:07:24 Jack said, it's awful. Some hot guys in chubby shorts behind me said, that's the worst movie I've ever seen in my life and I can sympathize. Something this self-consciously willfully obscure will have a built-in contrarian fan base claiming it's misunderstood, but the weirdness feels insincere and ginned up
Starting point is 01:07:41 as a masking agent for how uninvolving and milqueto toast the story is. It ends with Adam Driver giving a speech on a CGI lotus flower about how what we need is debates. That's what we need, debates. We can't forget our humanity and given to Trump symbolized by MAGA hats and some minor Coppola cousin with a black sun forehead tattoo.
Starting point is 01:08:00 We also need mixed race babies. We have to have a future for mixed race babies and love, a future for debates for mixed race babies and love. It's awful and a chore to watch. There's a generously well-lit scene of Shia's pubic hair, which we've seen before, but which is always welcome sticking up from the side. I love, yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:20 It always brings it back to the male frontal. I know, I know, but it was really a drag and a slog to watch initially, and then it sort of grew on me and I warmed toward it because the bar is so low, and also you've already paid for the ticket and have two hours to go, so you may as well make the best of it.
Starting point is 01:08:39 Yeah, I maybe 40 minutes, 45 into the film decided to drink a huge beer really fast. And I said to Alison, this movie's about to get a whole lot better. And yeah, I was like, sort of, yeah, like disgruntled and confused and bored. And disgruntled because you were bored and bored because you were disgruntled.
Starting point is 01:09:12 And like bristling. It's like mad TV lowered expectations. But I will say I can't really, I don't know if I can actually say that it's bad. It's weird, it's interesting. Because it was interesting, it's like I truly, it did keep me, I didn't really know
Starting point is 01:09:32 what was gonna unfold in part because it was like kind of incoherent in some of the plot points that were brought up, then got very quickly resolved or not resolved and the plot kind of moved along. Yeah, there's just like all this random shit happening and shuttling, he like does cocaine and very quickly resolved or not resolved and the plot kind of moved along. Yeah, there's just like all this random shit happening and shuttling, he like does cocaine and gets beat up and. When Adam Driver's like drunk and doing bumps
Starting point is 01:09:55 and having his like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, I was like, oh my, oh no. Am I watching the Joker too? Like this is the, I'm like really, I suffered through parts of it, but then as you said, like I kind of kept thinking about it. And there was in part because of, you know, the legacy of Coppola and like the hype around the film and it being self-financed and stuff,
Starting point is 01:10:22 it did feel not fresh. I didn't read the Armand White review, but I read the Richard Brody's, which made me feel extremely gaslight because he was like, this is Coppola's youthful. He says that it was like a very youthful movie. I was like, it's not. It's like a senile movie, but that's interesting. The second wind,
Starting point is 01:10:45 the burst of life you get before you expire. And it is, I texted you after I saw it, I was like, you gotta see this movie. Yeah, and so did Eli, like so many people texted me, like you have to see this. And in that way, it is a successful slash good film because it was- It makes you think.
Starting point is 01:11:04 It makes you think, It stays with you. It is like an encapsulated cultural moment. It is really like when you buy a loaf of bread at the farmer's market and you forget you bought it and then it grows mold in these really beautiful and interesting ways. And you're like, oh, I didn't know that like life forms could flourish in such a way on the decaying bloated corpse.
Starting point is 01:11:28 And I thought the performances were very good. I thought there was like literally one good performance in that film and that's Shia LaBeouf. My hot take Shia LaBeouf is what people think Joaquin Phoenix is. He is such an incredible, effortless, amazing actor that you forget he's acting and you're really in it with him and he plays this kind of like
Starting point is 01:11:53 as Jax's trans coded gender goblin villain who's like a kind of cross between Buffalo Bill and Pee Wee Herman. He's like an autogynophile. I saw Jax saying that I didn't find Shia's character to be transcoded. I saw, I thought that he was pretty heavy handed in his like depiction of like decadence.
Starting point is 01:12:18 Yeah, but it's a very stylized excessive vision of decadence that doesn't really pertain. Well, it's meant to be futuristic and fabulistic and like, you know, it's the lady boys of Rome, you know, in the decline. The eunuchs and castratas. I thought Aubrey Plaza was fantastic. Aubrey Plaza delivered the second best performance.
Starting point is 01:12:41 She was very good. I thought- Sheila Buff and Aubrey Plaza carried the movie and I agree with Armand White when he says that like the sex scene between them was probably the highlight of the film. I found, yeah, also that sex scene for sure, but also sort of the sex scenes with Plaza and Driver
Starting point is 01:13:05 and then Driver and that mulatto actress. Natalie Emanuele, I Googled her. In general, the horniness in the film also gave it a kind of boomerish charm, you know, that I was endeared to. But like my- It was a little kind a little unrestrained. And overheated.
Starting point is 01:13:27 But the mixed-race multiculturalism stuff to me was particularly grating and insufferable, not because of any racist reasons, but because as Armand White says, defies credulity. I'll read some excerpts from him. "'When far-left publications from the New York Times to the Washington Post praise Coppola for his aspirational determination,
Starting point is 01:13:50 you know that something idiotic this way comes. Praising Megalopolis is a new form of elitism. Preview screenings for Coppola's Hollywood surrogates prove that no one there understands artistic ambition anymore. So illiterate that they miss the film's two obvious parallels to contemporary politics.
Starting point is 01:14:07 Coppola's emphasis on white protagonist Caesar in Hollywood liberal terms is facile and archaic. We don't even recognize clear thinking anymore. Expectations are diminished, contaminated by politics. Had Coppola focused on the dilemma of a white idealist challenged and intimidated by a black power player, setting off political subterfuge that nearly destroys the dynasty Caesar was born to, Megalopolis might have ignited pop recognition and excitement, but his idea of conservative
Starting point is 01:14:36 black urban mayor defies credulity. Coppola snatches unassimilated ideas from current political paranoia and recent cultural catastrophes, manic news media promoting celebrity insanity all tossed into the mix with demented incoherence. So true. And as Jack pointed out, it's also a missed opportunity because, you know, it's historically an important film because it's like the first production that deliberately broke with the Me Too backlash. and he says he wishes like the final product reflected the courage necessary to do that. And like one of the better plot arcs in the movie is how, um, Caesar's enemies
Starting point is 01:15:16 cook up this like cancellation campaign against him with like the doctored footage of him committing statutory rape against the Vestal Virgin pop star and then it turns out that she's not even a citizen and has doctored her birth certificate. I know but once again to speak to the incoherence it's like if it's doctored you know it's like it's the kind of a wraps it up with this like really quickly found this person it's yeah and then it's like but I thought I at that point was very like, so was it docked? Like, well, yeah, it seems insignificant. It was like a I.
Starting point is 01:15:52 I heard if. It's like resolved. Like these legalistic sort of. Yeah. And it's also it's also like unclear, like it's basically his evil scheming gender goblin cousin who's leading the campaign that ultimately works in the favor of the leftist and or conservative mulatto mayor. The mayor's black.
Starting point is 01:16:21 Whose hands are clean, but who leans into it. But also, I mean, I thought one of the more faithful elements of the film that didn't defy credulity was that the ruling class was this kind of mixed race mulatto class. It was very Kamala Harris, Paw Patrol, Mayor Goodway. Okay. Yes.
Starting point is 01:16:42 Because it is these, it's not actual black people or white people, it's like this new Benetton race of like Yale educated lawyers and consultants. Right. I mean, the Shia LaBeouf's character, I didn't, Shia LaBeouf's character, I hesitate to call him a gender goblin because he's not really motivated by a trans identity based ideology. He's meant to be encapsulated.
Starting point is 01:17:20 He's just polymorphously perverse. Well, he fucks his sisters. That's what Sort of Reiter reiterate is like they're part of that. That brother sister duo is very Peter and Betsy. But yeah, he's like incestuous. He's yeah, polymorphously perverse. He dresses up like it's yeah, he's not he doesn't map exactly onto like a corollary, I think, for Coppola necessarily of like... Because I don't think he even really knows how bad it is.
Starting point is 01:17:51 I think he's just depicting access and Roman style decadence. But I think what matters is that he's aesthetically gender fluid and non-binary but like actually straight. Yeah, he's in love with the mayor's daughter. He's trying to rape her all the time and stuff and fucks his sisters. And he's this like horny, lecherous guy who then becomes very overtly like a Trumpian political candidate
Starting point is 01:18:23 who like goes into the crowds of like the disempoverished and handsome like dollar bills to win them over to his cause. That's another thing I didn't quite understand because it's like is Gus Fring Trumpian or leftoid is Claudio Polker Trumpian or leftoids? Who's Gus best friend again? It's the Giancarlo Esposito, the guy who plays Franklin Cicero, yeah. Yeah, I mean, with Shia's character,
Starting point is 01:18:56 there's literally the swastika, the black sun tattoo. It's like, it's still, it's, and also, but he's also kind of like a leftist figure because he's leading Antifa mobs to burn down Minneapolis. I thought that was more. January 6. Yeah, yeah, I was like, oh, he's doing a January 6 thing, which interesting how, you know, it's little mini parallels. And he really just depends on, yeah. But that's what I'm saying. It's so jumbled and incoherent
Starting point is 01:19:28 because you don't know what's what. Yeah. Like there is no like clear cut line, which granted. I mean the black sun is a pretty overt symbol. Yeah, but he's also like kind of antifa coded. Well, just cause yeah, he's got a rat tail. And a face tattoo. He's like the Joseph Rosenbaum,
Starting point is 01:19:51 that like pedophile felon that Kyle Rittenhouse mowed down. Exactly, we can't tell what his politics really are. But they're also, okay, like Shia Labeouf, sorry, I don't know their names. Shia Labeouf and Adam Driver's character are cousins? Yes. So it all like, yeah, there's a point in the movie where you're like, oh, it's all this kind of like,
Starting point is 01:20:19 familial squabble? Yeah. Like it is, it's still. Yeah, because it's like Ta-Nehisi Coates. Like Coppola thinks he's making a film about the contemporary political situation, but he's really making a film about his own ordeal of civility.
Starting point is 01:20:37 It's like- Well, he's so obsessed with his own legacy and political legacy. And yeah, I think he is ultimately such an establishment like elitist at the end of the day that he isn't able to make, you know, a hyper coherent. And he's also, you know, what's called spade to spade. He is an establishment elitist, which makes him basically liberal, a progressive, but
Starting point is 01:21:11 he's also an Italian American, which makes him kind of like naturally constitutionally conservative. I tweeted this, but it's like if Fountainhead was made by like a high,ung histrionic Italian American versus like a cold and bloodless Russian Jew. Though to be fair, Ayn Rand was by all accounts highly passionate passionate about both political ideologies and blow jobs. So yeah. So, you know, but like the kind of stereotypical image of her is like a cold, cruel, unempathetic figure who's like rational and calculating. Right. who's like rational and calculating.
Starting point is 01:22:10 Right, I don't think her horniness eclipses her. She's definitely leading with like rationalism, no? Once again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I find her prose to be tough. Yeah, it was hard for me to get through. But I don't have anything against her, you know? It's just not my thing. I mean, she's like Elon Musk to me.
Starting point is 01:22:33 She's a person who is incredible and exceptional by virtue of inflicting her artistic vision upon the world and sticking with it, even though there were like armies, legions of haters mobilized against her from the very start, especially now. She's obviously just objectively, technically speaking, a remarkable human being.
Starting point is 01:23:01 Well, of course, that's why she's rose to a position of like extreme prominence. I'm honestly like between us girls, not that interested in her or her work to have, you know, a strong clear cut opinion. Yeah. But my knee jerk instinctual reaction is always that when leftists hate you, you're on the right track.
Starting point is 01:23:33 Like always without fail. Right. I mean, and not, like you said, Elon Musk, also kind of leftists love to talk about him. He's like dumb and something like talk about how he's like dumb in some ways, and like, yeah, he is like dumb in some ways. He's obviously not that dumb. He's not poor.
Starting point is 01:23:52 Yeah, it's like, that's beautiful. It's so true. He's definitely smart enough to figure out if he can become extremely rich. And unless you like, yeah, are like a total Marksoid retard who really thinks that like, it's totally rigged. And then he's been given some kind of like, you obviously his dad was an arms dealer or whatever, maybe not, I don't actually don't even know. But yeah. And his wife or his mom was a trans model in New York City. I don't know. Yeah, he's not like a rags to riches story, but it's, you know, kind of a tough
Starting point is 01:24:45 materialist. Yeah. Sal to be like, you know, he has it. He doesn't have any merit or doesn't deserve the things that he's accomplished. At the end of the day, he's gamed, he's figured it out. I don't know. I'm- Yeah, it defies basic reason to argue that he's dumb and a loser. Yeah, there's plenty of privileged people who are like fail sons and don't become Elon Musk.
Starting point is 01:25:06 He is like, there's plenty of like fail sons and nepo babies who basically succumb to like womanizing and drug addiction and make nothing of themselves. Yeah. And I figure even if you are a fail son or a nepo baby, if you make something of yourself that counts for a lot in this world. I mean, it's, yeah. You can't just just, yeah. The way the leftist treat both Anne Rand and Elon Musk
Starting point is 01:25:38 is very confused and short-sighted. Well, it's upsetting, not even because I like wanna defend a brand or Musk, but because of what it says about them, it really is, it's like the most profound line that was uttered on this podcast, secondhand was, your father, Dimitri,
Starting point is 01:26:05 you permit yourself too much. These people permit themselves too much. Literally proves Ayn Rand's point. I know. That they're like, they live for competition but hate the idea that anybody could outcompete them. So they demand that their core demand is that all competition be eliminated and everything be like shitty and mediocre.
Starting point is 01:26:27 I mean, that's where I really take issue with this kind of sensitive young man talking point that emerges every so often. Right-wing guys will talk about how they were uniquely conspired against by their school teachers and stuff. And the men are like uniquely. Which by the way is objectively true. It is true.
Starting point is 01:26:52 Like the modern school system favors girls over boys, but you are right that like if you are an exceptional person, you will find creative ways to triumph over that. To me, it's very, you know, it's very like spiritually leftist to be like, oh, like I could have been a genius, a great man of power if only my like, Well, it's like the drama of the gifted child. Fourth grade teacher didn't scold me and crush my Falsian spirit or something. It's like, maybe you're not as high IQ as you think.
Starting point is 01:27:26 Maybe, you know, maybe school isn't fair, obviously, but like life's not fucking fair. Yeah, and the sad thing about it is that there is like a truth, you Aria, there is the truth to that, that like when you desegregate schools by sex, everything becomes tailored to the lowest common denominator, which is like the the needs of women. And then it entropies from there, you could probably make the equivalent case about racial desegregation, which I will not be making on this
Starting point is 01:28:01 podcast. But you are correct that in the Randian model, if you are an exceptional individual, you find a way to adapt to the circumstances that like life hands you. It's like when life gives you lemons. Exactly. You have a lemon party. a lemon party.
Starting point is 01:28:31 But like, I can believe that all of that is basically true. I don't think in terms of childhood development, at least like in early schooling, that girls are the lowest common denominator. I think that they just biologically, they surpass boys in terms of verbal intelligence. They do better on the whole, yeah. Yeah, so it's not a matter of separating girls and boys. It's just like, hmm. School isn't about, school's not fair.
Starting point is 01:29:07 School's not fair and school's not even good. School's a shit test. Exactly, school's a shit test that's a proxy for life. And if you're really high IQ as you claim to be, then you'll figure out how to survive. You have to just sort of of fortify yourself against it. And if you're an adult who's upset about something that happened to you as a school.
Starting point is 01:29:30 That's the whole problem with it is a proxy. It's literally like a dry run address rehearsal for life. It's like a diorama that you make in school, a miniaturized model of what real life will be like. An autist don't like to hear it, but it's like, yeah, it is testing your kind of like social adaptability and conformity in some ways, but also like, even if you, if you're smart,
Starting point is 01:29:54 you can figure out how to conform and excel at the same time. You can, it's no one's actually hindered, you're not as damaged as you think you are, no one's hindered you. Yeah, not as damaged as you think you are. No one's hindered you Yeah, this is like Melania Trump's philosophy. I Just can't imagine people in the Soviet Union being like whoo. Whoa, so view you was really unfair That was historically my problem with leftists that they're like core identity was formed around these like formative
Starting point is 01:30:24 Experiences from from elementary school or high school. I don't remember either of those things. They're like a blip on my radar. And not because I was brutally bullied or oppressed, but because just nothing happened. not exclusive to leftists. Like a lot of these rightly guys. But that's what I'm saying. Yeah, like now you see like the equivalent but like inverse tendency or whatever forming on the right. Of being like, yeah, I was traumatized by going to school and it's like, well, then you aren't gonna make it anyway. Wait, what was the original post you were responding to? Was it like some long mini paragraph thing about how boys are uniquely
Starting point is 01:31:07 discriminated against in school and especially very high IQ boys of course yeah because it's not that they have shortcomings of their own that they've had to confront in their life it's that they were like thwarted every step of the way by the long house or whatever. I mean, there is like a lot of truth to that, to the extent that like boys like that are discriminated against by like midwit middling teachers who cannot understand their potential and are there for hostile to and resentful of it.
Starting point is 01:31:42 It's like the thing that I was tweeting about the woke, the woke in heavy scare quotes. People come up against their own intellectual limitations and have to rationalize it as like external oppression or discrimination, which is like the bread and butter of wokeness, right? It's like saying, oh, there's like systemic or structural racism at hand.
Starting point is 01:32:06 Exactly, or like gender discrimination against boys or misandry in the case of the public schools. They think that there is, actually being a kid is really hard for boys and girls. And everyone has uniquely traumatizing experiences and it is up to sort of you on an individual level, ultimately, to move. Like I didn't just fucking cruel and unfair by the way. It is life's cruel and unfair. I didn't like going to fucking school.
Starting point is 01:32:37 I was extremely tormented. I hated being around my peers. I was like a Chopin,Hauerian teenager as well. I was very sensitive. And I graduated early. I went to fucking summer school. I finished high school in three years and I moved out of my parents' house and left Las Vegas because I, and then I just never thought about it again.
Starting point is 01:32:58 But I can't, I'm not like hung up. I couldn't, you know, I'm not hung up. But this goes back to what we were talking about in the last episode that like, it's like a bitter pill to swallow because what it comes down to at the end of the day is that like all men are not created equal in terms of potential, though they are created equal
Starting point is 01:33:17 in terms of their political rights and their value in the eyes of God, provided that they have the correct legal paperwork. But you would think right wing people would understand that, but somehow when you remind them of their unfortunate times as school boys. Probably a vast majority of the right wing is like very young and very brown. Well, I mean, that's for sure. Do you have another cigarette?
Starting point is 01:33:50 No, I thought we had enough between the two of us to make it through this show. It's okay, I'll get some. Anyway, sorry to digress. Anyway, sorry to digress. Well, I think I would split the difference and say that there's a way to talk about these annoying intractable issues without making it part of your identity.
Starting point is 01:34:24 Yeah, no, of course. Like it is absolutely true. It is correct and true that boys are discriminated against in the modern Western school system. But you can't chalk up your own failure and disappointment strictly to the fact that you were like long housed by some like fat mixed race teachers. Of course not. And if you were actually a genius,
Starting point is 01:34:47 you would probably. You would find a way. Like much like Elon Musk, you'd find a way to like maneuver. You're not, you know, if you're high key, you're not hung up on what happened to you in grade school. Well, the thing with Elon Musk crucially is that he doesn't, much like Azalea Banks actually. Sorry, no, wait, that was a bad reference. I meant to say Candace Owens, I got them confused.
Starting point is 01:35:11 He doesn't seem miserable or bitter. No, he's playful. He just seems angry, which is a good and righteous emotion. He doesn't even seem that angry to me. Well, he seems, he like obviously very annoyed, irritated by certain things that are going on in the world. But ultimately, I think he has a kind of, you know, she saw him. He has he has a I think we've always maintained that even though his sense of humor isn't always our taste,
Starting point is 01:35:48 at least he has one. And he's, yeah, I think the most endearing thing about him is that he is able to retain a kind of playfulness in the face of adversity. Yeah, and keep on going, keep persevering in spite of it all. Yeah move on you're done you don't have to go to school anymore and life's gonna also be full of like it's over man move go move on. You I believe in you I'm like it's I know I'm like taking like kind of like
Starting point is 01:36:26 a cruel line, but I actually it's. You sound like Ayn Rand now. I know I sound like you. I'm like actually it's because I care so much. But no, it's actually I'm like, I believe in you. That you can overcome this. Yeah. If you really are this like.
Starting point is 01:36:41 Dasha my biggest problem in the world is that I give people too much credit. I know. I really do believe in all of you morons and retards. I'm like, you're going to be straight up. I'm like, I'm so sorry. You've had some traumatic experiences, but I believe in men and women that they can overcome them. And they ultimately can like, hardest the will to be better, be best.
Starting point is 01:37:07 I know. Why not be best? Why not try that? And now blame other people for holding you back. So left or right. Yeah, why not just let go of your grievances and resentments and give into God. And guess what?
Starting point is 01:37:29 God made you as smart as you're supposed to be. I saw a tweet today about this retard. No, he actually had Down syndrome, this guy, he had Down syndrome, sorry. Well, Anna. And it was like one of those fake viral tweets, but it was like some guy had Down syndrome, this guy, he had Down syndrome, sorry. Well, Anna. And it was like one of those fake viral tweets, but it was like some guy with Down syndrome who had a normal, like a normally abled son
Starting point is 01:37:54 who later became a dentist. Interesting. And I was like, okay, like if that guy can do it, so can you. For sure. I don't know where I'm going with this. Wait, so a guy with Down syndrome had a son who became a dentist?
Starting point is 01:38:11 Yeah. That's what you're feeling? Yeah. I just thought that was like cute and uplifting. It's an uplifting anecdote. And there was like a photo. Keep your head up. You know, you're gonna make it.
Starting point is 01:38:26 You might have a son who becomes a dentist. Or a son with Down syndrome. I mean dentists are fucked. Yeah, are they? It seems like a lucrative enough profession. I don't mean like materially. I mean like something's wrong with dentists because they look in people's mouths all day.
Starting point is 01:38:44 They kind of like. They're like sexual sadists. I think. like something's wrong with dentists because they look in people's mouths all day. They're like sexual sadists, possibly pedophiles. In some cases, I wouldn't be surprised, but more so I think there's something about gazing into the abyss of another person's mouth and skull and stuff that causes some sort of psychological decline. You know, it's just like, I don't think it's a healthy profession to be like.
Starting point is 01:39:11 You're like getting back shots of spittle, even though you have the mask and the goggles on. I wouldn't, yeah. I just can't imagine choosing a profession in which I like look at the people's. Had to interact with like, not only interact, but like just the mouth. Look into the gaping holes of thousands of strangers.
Starting point is 01:39:36 It's Freudian, you know, to be so obsessed with the mouth. I mean, someone's gotta do it, I guess. Though I don't believe in dentistry. I'm medicine skeptical and dentistry is especially. It's like very low in the totem pole. Though I understand that yeah, you can have the teeth somehow, the nerves, it's your whole body, it's a holistic thing.
Starting point is 01:40:01 But. This is why we are the way we are. Cause we haven't seen a dentist. Cause we haven't gone to the dentist in a long time. But this is why we are the way we are. I haven't gotten to the dentist. I haven't. I'm like, this is literally traveled to our brain. My wisdom teeth grew in on top because I only got my bottom ones removed. And wait, what? Remember, like a couple of years ago, maybe a year ago, I guess, I was like, my wisdom
Starting point is 01:40:24 teeth are going in and they hurt. And now they just, I didn't go to the dentist, nothing, they just grew in. I have these like weird- You're so underage, you were teething. I was teething. I know. Randomly when I was 32 years old,
Starting point is 01:40:37 my wisdom teeth grew in and like were, yeah. That's when I got my L-f bar. I had the allergic reaction in the L-f bar. Oh yeah, I remember that. I still have all my wisdom teeth. That's why I'm so wise, you guys. So true. I only have half.
Starting point is 01:40:51 But yeah, I think it's because my wisdom teeth were like poking through and my mouth was raw and the vape juice had an adversarial effect. Who knows? Once again, it's a mystery what happened with the elf mystery. But my there, yeah, I have like, was empty sound. All good. Fine. Never had a cavity. It's just not. I think it's a sham. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:27 I think- Like psychiatry. I think giving birth, no, psychiatry is real. But dentistry, giving birth and having an abortion are overly medical. I mean. But I need psychiatric drugs for my adult. Psychology, not psychiatry, that's what I meant. Yeah, Freudianism.
Starting point is 01:41:51 Right, also real. More real than evolution or climate change. So true. I mean, yeah, I do think Freud was more right than I knew. I knew that movie was over for me when they, like, beamed the shadow of the evolutionary chart on the building. Yeah. No, for me, the big clock.
Starting point is 01:42:23 Yeah. Like, I get a whiff of steampunk and I'm checked out. I'm squirming. I don't know what it is. Your artistic vision has been reduced to Canal Street, Sylvainier shop, antics. Yeah. I think Las Vegas, there's something very steampunk about people with highfalutin ideas.
Starting point is 01:42:50 There's art galleries at the Las Vegas airport that have very Lomax gallery art. It's like the circus meets Milan Rouge. Exactly. I think that's really what it is about. It's like I have some childhood trauma where I can't, if I see a gears or anything, that's my problem with poor things too. I was like, miss me with the blimps, miss me with that old steam. It's not for me. So I'm like sympathetic to that whole aesthetic, even though I personally hate it and it makes my skin crawl because it's like life makes boomers of us all.
Starting point is 01:43:31 And one day whatever aesthetic we're repping will be extremely corny and outdated and people will be clowning on us. That's so true. We won't even suffer the fate of like a Kim Gordon. It'll be so much worse. I know. I mean, my secondary issue with same fung aesthetics
Starting point is 01:43:52 is that I do like Edwardian garb. Yeah. So I'm walking a very thin. It's the narcissism of small differences. I'm walking a very thin line where sometimes I'll put on one of my like tea dresses, 19th century tea dresses and just one wrong move and I tip over into steampunk.
Starting point is 01:44:16 Yeah, it's projection for sure. But yeah, I mean, I can't imagine, I have no idea what it's like to be 80 years old and making them, you know, I'm sure I'll have some crazy ideas about what's going on out there. And like you said, I think it's like, you know, he's, I respect legacy too. He's allowed, he financed it himself.
Starting point is 01:44:46 No one, you know, no one wanted him to make this. Yeah. And he's been trying to make it for 10 years against all odds. So good. Not not even like I think he would like to think that he is like the Adam Driver character, who's a proxy for Howard Rourke type character, who's thwarted by mediocre administrators and bureaucrats every step of the way. But the reality is like, no one wanted him to make this film because it was a bad idea,
Starting point is 01:45:13 but he made it in spite of himself. And that's why Elon Musk is such a wonderful and amazing genius and why I stan him in the end. Yeah, because he too can make a hideous car. What's the, I guess, what's the substance called again? The Adam Driver? We've nobody ever, none of the reviews I read at no point in this podcast. Has anybody mentioned the central plot device, which is like Adam
Starting point is 01:45:45 Driver coming up with this new radical substance called Megalon, which has the potential to stop time. No, right? No. Okay. It's more vague than that. He somehow is able to stop and control time. But the substance is some kind of, I mean, it is very yeast coated. It's very like sprawl. It's just says this kind of like healing utopian. Yeah. Like when he survives his like, Trumpian assassination attempt. Yeah, he is able to, to heal himself using like a megalon patch. Yeah. So yeah, the megalon is sort of this like,
Starting point is 01:46:36 very utopian universalist substance that's able to kind of mend all things and heal them. And I think you're right that it's like if progressive ism was a material. I mean, so true. And I think you're right. I think Coppola sees himself as like a synthesis, right? Coppola sees himself as like a synthesis, right? Of this like progressive genius, but also this like more conservative old timey. When the mayor is literally like, my name is Frank, it's Francis.
Starting point is 01:47:17 I was like, his name Francis. Yeah. I was like, okay, so you gave, you named this guy Francis and he's this like. Well, I don't remember if I said this already because I'm drunk, but when the beautiful mulatta Meghan Markle wife announces that she's pregnant and it's like the redemption arc from his wife who he witnessed drowning when she was pregnant and the mulatta wife's dad when she was pregnant and the mulatto wife's dad
Starting point is 01:47:48 had falsely prosecuted him for it. Oh, right. Yeah, that was like an whatever. Also confused, and because then he kind of moves on. I don't totally buy the love between them. Yeah. You know, then they're on the beams. Yeah, and I was just like, fucking push her off of it and let her fall to her death. It's annoying, bitch.
Starting point is 01:48:10 I remember her from Game of Thrones, which is a show that I personally enjoyed and didn't like her because she was like, she was like a stand in for like the Obamas or something. But that she's it's like, it's like a, a kind of sentimental, an ironic replay of that scene in the Sopranos, where Ralphie tells his 19 year old stripper girlfriend, like, if it's a boy, we'll name him after me.
Starting point is 01:48:41 And if it's a girl and like beats her to death. In this retelling, they're like, oh, if it's a girl, she'll have this weird, gay and annoying Ta-Nehisi-ass name, I don't remember. And if it's a boy, we'll call him Francis. And of course it's a girl. Cause any baby born in the future has to be a girl and mixed race.
Starting point is 01:49:04 But like every- Only a little. Everything is like- Only a quarter. because any baby born in the future has to be a girl and mixed race. Right. But like every, yeah. Only a little. Everything is like. Only a quarter. Everything is like a reference to Francis. Yeah, no, it's very, it was, I'd be pissed if I was a Coppola grandkid
Starting point is 01:49:22 or had any inheritance on the line, I'd definitely be like, you spent, what, how much money? I'd be like, you what? You spent your inheritance like, you're masturbating? You squandered our family fortune, yeah. About, I mean, literally, it's like, it couldn't be a more heavy-handed metaphor
Starting point is 01:49:42 for progressivism ultimately with like the moving sidewalks They all have to like get on yeah They all I just have to like get on the you know yeastian Architecture the very like vaginal. Well, that's the other thing. It's like this is my biggest Phobia it did well because You know, I know Francis Ford Coppola is an Italian American who, as I said before, is constitutionally conservative, respects and honors the legacy of the Roman
Starting point is 01:50:16 Empire and is making like little nods and homages to Ayn Rand Fountainhead. And then I have to wonder why like, no one in the history of cinema, it seems easier in cinema than in architecture to build a beautiful city, according to your personal vision. But no one in the history of cinema has actually really ever built like a utopia.
Starting point is 01:50:38 Like this particular utopia looks so much worse than what we already have. It looks like a long house termite nest. It looks like the meme. Yeah, of like a better society. Yeah, this is what it would be like if Anna and Dasha didn't exist. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:50:54 But yeah, no, it's, but that's very like, it's like futurist kind of architectural idea that it'll be like amorphous and kind of like not. And like organic and rounded and yeasty feminine. But like the city that the supposedly like visionary Adam Driver character creates is literally like a mud hut in the ground. It's like lotus pods.
Starting point is 01:51:19 Yeah, with like bells and whistles. It is, what is that thing that you mentioned? The fear of holes. Trypophobia. Yeah, it is. It's like literally like an insect den. It looks like what is that thing that you mentioned? The fear of holes. Yeah, it is. It's like literally like an insect den. It looks like a Yeezy slide. It does, yeah. Which also grossed me out due to the clustering of holes.
Starting point is 01:51:37 Yeah, it's so ugly and disgusting. It looks like your old house. It looks like your old house is so much better. It does. It does. And then you realize like, oh, we already have a beautiful city. I know. We've just failed to maintain it.
Starting point is 01:51:53 I know. By keeping it free of like migrants and vagrants. Yeah, and not, you know. Like New York is already a beautiful city. You don't need a visionary utopia. And you need like a robust investment in like restoration and like preservation, you know, which we just don't have. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:52:17 So a lot of like beautiful buildings end up, you know, I mean, yeah, Decade and Migrant. I mean, I get that the final Megalopolis city at the end of the film is supposed to serve as like a metaphor for an actual utopian city, which no one knows what that looks like Well, yeah, it's it's a fable, you know, but it's actually so like grotesque and depressing No, it's horror. It's a nightmare. I would like would you want to live in that city? No, I don't want to live in any kind of like
Starting point is 01:53:06 global homo prefab, I don't want to live in any kind of like global homo prefab. I don't want I would like the way in which I'm the most constitutionally conservative, I think is in my like enthusiasm for like period architect. I like the way things used to be and think it's kind of preserving them on an aesthetic and like cultural level. Yeah, I mean, the way that I'm most constitutionally conservative is that I have a one woman jihad against the open floor plan, which is like one of the greatest horrors ever visited upon human civilization. Yeah. And when I look at apartments or properties,
Starting point is 01:53:54 I have to go full Karen and yell at the realtor and say, I want discreet rooms with the doors that close behind you. Yeah. Why do we knock down these walls? Mr. Gorbachev blow out my wall, my Tim walls. I'm with you. Yeah. I love an enclosure.
Starting point is 01:54:26 I love a nice room with careful details. I don't want the IKEA showroom. I don't want the floor to ceiling window. I don't really want the high rise. Yeah, I hate being manipulated and bamboozled by evil realtors who try to make it look like this is a design or aesthetic decision when it's really like a cost cutting thing,
Starting point is 01:54:56 which somebody schooled me on open floor and was like, it's actually not cheaper than having like normal structural borders. I'm such a, I'm so not an open borders person in every possible way. I fucking hate open borders. I'm not even talking about immigration.
Starting point is 01:55:16 Yeah, you are a person who values your like boundaries and privacy. Yeah, it's like, it's very earth sign, it's very politically conservative, love of boundaries. But somebody told me that basically it's actually possibly more expensive to have an open floor plan because you have to have various structural supports
Starting point is 01:55:42 where you least expect them. Okay. Like it's very easy to build like a box, right? Yeah, probably. And then you like, you know, you put a bunch of boxes together and you have a house. I think it's more complicated than that. But yeah, I mean, the open floor plan is most often favored sort of by like skyscraper,
Starting point is 01:56:14 like in New York, the loft, you know? Yeah. But walking out of this movie, I was like, I would rather live in like an open floor plan loft, like the kind they had in like Michael Douglas, Glenn Close movies in the nineties versus like the pod disgusting polycule. It's a polycule. Yeah. And there's like one extremely like large and fat Venus of Willendorf termite queen lodge somewhere in there.
Starting point is 01:56:49 Yeah, no, it's, I found the architecture to be gross. Objectionable, yeah. And not what you would expect from a copula, frankly. I mean, I guess he's like venturing into a vision of the future. So he's thinking outside the box and it's not exactly futuristic or utopian to make New York a gorgeous building with a right angle. That's like, I guess we're sick of that.
Starting point is 01:57:22 We're trying a new thing in the new Rome. I guess we're sick of that. We're trying a new thing in the new Rome. Oh, I was also immediately confused when it was like the blah, blah, blah year of the third millennium. I was like, what year? Are we in the third millennium now? Or is this a thousand years into the future? Right? Yeah. I was like, miss me with that. I don't just tell me what year it is. What year is it? What do you mean? And you still haven't figured out how to have positive canthal tilts and non recessed maxilla that far into the future. I know. Well there weren't a lot of fat. There weren't any fat people. That's true. And in that way, the movie was good.
Starting point is 01:58:08 Actually, it was bad because if he really wanted to stay faithful to his circus steampunk vision, he would have had one guy that was like a Newman from Seinfeld. The most obese guy in 1910. He was like, this man was considered radically obese. The vomitorium. I thought the whole gladiator sequence was kind of fun. They had nice moments, but then that quickly gave way to the circus freak show of Adam Driver's mind.
Starting point is 01:58:41 I was like, I can't wait for this to end. Why is this going on? This movie felt like watching a Nick Fuentes live stream. But like way less funny and entertaining. I wish it felt like that. But it had the same effect. We were like, I feel dirty and like I was just molested, but it really makes you think. I mean, I be watching fun to be honest, I do tune in.
Starting point is 01:59:18 I you know, I take it with a grain of salt, but I, you know. It makes me feel kind of like peaceful and like pleasant to be honest. I'm going to like he's got the little pumpkin on his desk now for the season. Oh yeah. He's doing his thing. We out here pumpkin maxing. He's doing his thing. We out here pumpkin
Starting point is 02:00:06 I mean I also because I'm too low IQ to figure out how to stream something. Any debate or like conference I've watched this election season has been on on Brumble slash Nick Fuentes. Cause I like, I'm like, I don't know how to, why I'm like, he's going to stream it. And the nice thing about Nick Fuentes is he's quite, he is like quiet. He doesn't, he's not like, he doesn't opine all the time. No, when he's doing a stream of like a presidential debate or the VP debate or like the democratic national convention, he's doing a stream of like a presidential debate or the VP
Starting point is 02:00:25 debate or like the Democratic National Convention he's like you know he's very like he has his quips are well timed and he knows kind of on the commercial breaks he'll sort of talk but then he like lets it's a good way to watch because I'm so scattered that I can't focus on the thing that I need like an extra thing and to look at my phone. Yeah. So that's been working. But how does he make money? I guess people donate money to him. Yeah, he seems rich. He seems, yeah, but I don't understand. He doesn't like do ads.
Starting point is 02:01:04 Or I keep a Patreon or anything. He has like a pay big economy. He must, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, good for him. Nick Fuentes, the Howard Rourke of our time. Just a bright and ambitious boy.
Starting point is 02:01:21 Everyone's Ben Shapiro, get your boot off my neck. Ha ha ha. Can I sell a hat? When he said, can I sell a hat, I was like, he's just like me for real. But yeah, sure, he's imperfect. And talkable and toxic. Anyway. Sure, he's imperfect and talkable and toxic. Anyway, do we have any more remarks on how many doggy bones?
Starting point is 02:01:56 Minneapolis. Mineopolis? Yeah, five out of five stars. You go first. Three. Like, Megalopolis, it's like my beauty. It can't be rated on the normal scale. Yeah, it's't be rated on the normal scale. Yeah, it's all on guard. Extremely f**kly.
Starting point is 02:02:40 I'm, yeah, mid. I don't know. It's a really bad movie. I mean, I don't believe necessarily in like, you know, like very declarative, I guess, statements about whether or not films are good or bad because ultimately, you know, they are like a vision, which this movie is. They only truly, it's worse to be like middling.
Starting point is 02:03:09 Like a movie that's neither here nor there, at least this had like badness on the side. At least it had, well, okay, I will say one nice thing about this movie that it's like the perfect bookend to the Biden era. It is truly Biden core. I know. It's like a guy in a coma having like a fever dream.
Starting point is 02:03:28 Yeah, it's like what must be going through Biden's mind but Italian, not Irish. Yeah. And I'm just sad Robert De Niro couldn't be in it. I know, but he did that, a Q and A on opening night where he like fully was like, imagine Trump couldn't make, he said Trump couldn't make a movie like this. He's got his Trump derangement so late stage
Starting point is 02:03:55 that he can't help himself. But I wonder why he wasn't. Everyone else, Dustin Hoffman, John Voight, they're all, they're making, everyone else kind of showed up. Anyway. Yeah. Well, see you in hell. See you in hell. you

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