Red Scare - Nyetwork

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

The ladies review Sidney Lumet's Network and discuss the Ellison media takeover and the Young Republican groupchat.

Hi, all the things you said, all the things you said, running through my head, running through my head, running through my head, running through my head. All the things is night and night. Hello. Hi, hello. Hello, we're back. How's this thing on? We're back.

what's up? Not much. Mm-hmm. Jack shit. Yeah. What's up with you? Nothing. Did you get the DNA update?

On 23 and Me? 23 and Ancestry.com. Yeah, I was wondering about that because we use different platforms for our DNA profiles. I think Allison did 23 and me and also got like, a more granular breakdown. I did via email, but I haven't checked, to be honest. Really? Yeah.

I was like, what the fuck? I was like, I pressed the buck right away. Okay, so what did it say that you're less Russian and more Lithuanian? Whatever that means? Well, prior, it was really, I was very unsatisfied with my ancestry, with my DNA test, because it said that I was basically like half Baltic and then half Eastern European and Russian, which was like a huge, you know. Yeah.

That's like so much of the world. Yeah. And they're obviously like a little bit cross-pollinated. Right? I mean, obviously, it's not, I'm not a DNA. We need to get Rizib back on. No, we don't. But basically, I'm no, I'm no percent like, quote, genetically, quote, Russian.

Yeah. Rezib comes on and he's like, Dasha. I liked you before you were married. And Anna, I like you with a longer hair. Why did you have short hair even though I haven't for like half a decade? Well, Rzeeb, I sent him my husband's DNA stuff. Yeah. Because I was curious about the, you know, I was like, you're Indian.

Yeah. But, yeah, I found out I was basically more Baltic than Russian. Okay. Which is all kind of Slavic. Right. No one really knows what Slavic is. But hold on. Explain that because let's say just for the purposes of this example, you're 50-50,

like 50% Baltic and then 50% Russian and Eastern European. Don't they just mess around with the specific categorizations within those larger umbrella categories? I think they get more data that then is. able to map more accurately. Okay. And prior, they just had, you know, kind of, there was a lot of genetic information that was not so specific. Uh-huh.

But now, I mean, who knows? But basically, yeah, I'm like Estonian, Lithuanian, Polish, a little Ukrainian, a little Balkan. Okay. But basically, no, like, technically, like, Russian. I mean, yeah. define Russian. Exactly.

Divine Slav. Define, you know. But with the way, you know, the Baltics do certainly have a distinct culture, I'd say. Well, how about we do a little unboxing? I'm going to see if. Yeah, open it up. I'm going to open it up. But I doubt it's even going to work.

You're even more Jewish. I know. I know. You are Jewish. I keep waiting for the Ashkenaz to show up because that's. Yeah. I could have. I mean, it just seems like likely that you would be like 1% or something.

You would think. But no, then I got out. You're the purest, gray pat. It's not like my dad is Baltic. My mom is, you know, it's like they both are also a similar mix of the same stuff. Right. And then when you look at your like ancestral map, mine's extremely small. Like my ancestors have lived in the same.

It's like from, it was like your journey and it's like from Minsk to central. North Belarus. I was like, wow, my families come so far. Okay, my strange erotic journey. Okay, you guys, I am literally more Jewish. Let's fucking go.

How much? 13% the evil unlucky number. I was 12.8 before. I don't know how that's even possible. That seems fake because like just, well, if you just do the the brute mathematical

breakdown, it's like, okay, my mom's a quarter, my grandpa's half. Apparently it doesn't work that way. Genetically, like, you know. Somebody was explaining that even among siblings who you would think would have the exact same genetic breakdown because they come from the exact same parents, that some children inherit more of something and some children inherit less. And actually, if you cross compare me and my sister, I'm just more ethnic across the board. I mean, you can tell by the way we look. She looks a little bit more white. What do you mean?

I'm both more Armenian and more Jewish than my sister. I mean, she's the same thing, but I think her... What is she more? She's more Russian or Slavic or whatever. Genetically. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's like you inherit, it's not an even split. Yeah, I mean...

You'll never be more than either of your parents, but you'll be some mix of whatever. Yeah, mine says 50.1% Western Asian and North Africa. 50.1% northern West African, Iranian, Caucasian, and Mesopotamian, and then within the, and 49.9% European, 36.9, central and eastern European, 24.4% Russian, Russian, Russian, Polish, and Ukrainian, hey, and 13% Ashkenazi Jewish. That's like my breakdown. So there you have it. that's a nice Allison's so many stuff Allison what Allison's like she's all European

but then within that it's like she's got what does she have I think she's mostly British or Scottish and then a large percentage of like Greek okay oh right okay

and then like other like French Portuguese Spanish like all kind of Euro stuff all mixed up which is why she's so beautiful she looks very Slavic to me she does weird

She could literally lie and say she's Slavic And no one would second guess her So wait, what's the occasion of this big new data update? I think they just got more And for me, they probably did a merger Or something And like acquired more data I think like Larry and David Ellison should acquire

Ancestry.com in 23 and me next May as well, yeah, why not? Since they're going for it go big or go home just tell everyone they're Jewish just say we got new results what are they they're fully Jewish yeah they're aske yeah whatever

I'm confused about the Ashkenhaazis I'm confused how they pulled an extra 0.5% out of my Jewish heritage can somebody receive please yeah i'm i'm confused too i'm trying to do a pivot here and rebrand is more anti-semitic this isn't really working for me the optics are bad i thought i was

russian and you're you're zero percent russian technically yeah how is that possible i mean like what is russia yeah but mine but mine says 24.4 percent russian so they're not russian that doesn't seem possible. But yes, okay. Because people in Belarus are mainly from the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. And then there's some other Eastern European stuff mixed in and like, you know, yeah. There's not so much westward drift, I guess. It's just been a very homogenous ethnic population. Society, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think when we had Sailor on, he explained that obviously all of these Eastern European groups

are more or less genetically similar but the Russians are more Asian I'm more so yeah last night I was watching like Baltic pagan

videos I was like maybe I should look into my original faith and I bought like some beeswax candles and like nettle from

at from like a Lithuanian Etsy store. Uh-huh. So I was like, I should be, you know, eating the foods. And now I want to go to a swamp. Why? Because of where I'm from. Uh-huh.

Because I'm from like a marshy. Yeah. You know? So I was, I want to find a place in America that's similar to my homeland. Uh-huh. To immerse myself. Washington, D.C. The swamp.

Let's go. Well, I will be in D.C. on Halloween. Right. That's what I'm saying, yeah. So maybe I'll love it. Mm-hmm. But there are swamps around there. Mm-hmm.

I found in Virginia there's something called the Dismal Swam, which they called because it was so... Oh, sweet. Depressing. And now it's like an animal life refuge that you can visit. Oh. But the dismal swamp's sounding pretty good. I don't know.

But ethno-narcissism strikes again. Yeah. I'm like, time to think about my new identity. A retarded horror swamp. I found the perfect... I'm moving. Um... Um...

Uh, we're going to talk... We're doing a movie episode, basically. We are. that's it's pertinent it deals with the media and mergers

and the Jews running everything well though in like Seinfeldian fashion we're talking about network 1976 Sydney Lumay and what's his name Patty Chayevsky

but like In Seinfeldian fashion, I guess the Jewish element is sort of beneath the surface and not fleshed out. And also, I think this was probably at a time when media control was a little bit more heterogeneous, I guess. It's still, it's the media, I mean, in network, the fake, it's called USB or something. UBS. UBS, United Broadcasting System. It gets taken over by like a Saudi conglomerate. Well, the parent company, which is CCA, like Central Communications.

They're all like standings for something like this, yeah. But yeah, in the, in Patty Chayefsky's Jewish world, the media is run by Arabs. Right, yeah. I caught that and thought it was funny. But it's still, you know. But I think that was also at the time of, like, all the big oil wars. So, um, Arabs were, like, on the map. And it was more, yeah.

I recently, we watched the, um, Palestinian chicken episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm. Oh, my least favorite episode. Um, but it really, like, whoa, it takes you back. Yeah. It's a time not so long ago. Uh-huh. When it was kind, you know, there was, you could talk about kind of like a mutual animosity in the region. It wasn't so charred.

It was like, yeah, it was not so charged. Yeah. There wasn't such a like colonialist overlay. Right. Well, I think like, again, like, which was nice. It's nice. the death of television and the rise of like online platforms and independent media has good effects and bad effects.

The good effect is that you can be more openly critical. Is that anti-Semitism is on the rise? But the bad effects are obviously that we're all subject to this like great feminization that Helen Andrews talks about, which again has less to do with women than with technology. or at least as much let's say yeah yeah the algorithm yeah in that being like um censorious and acrimonious is rewarded now which dovetails nicely also with the the plot of network or the message of network right I mean everyone on X is basically like mad as hell Niatwork Niatwork um did you see that they're I guess they did already remake um

Medeus. I saw the trailer for it. And the guy's Asian. What? I think the actor who portrays Mozart is like Asian. He's like part of Asian. Yeah, he's Hapa. They should have made him black TBH. That was the movie I was watching when my water broke. So I'm very protective and possessive over it. And I like take umbrage with them remaking it, but also don't care that much. But they should, you know what they should make? I mean, there's no reason. They should just remake movies that nobody really wants remade. Well, no one

wanted amadeus remadeus remake office space the thing about the amadeus remake is that it's not it just looks like a shittier you know i think if you're gonna you know use some legacy IP yeah you have to at least like put some a spin on you have to freak it in some way or yeah like make them all black make them you know like do a different take but it just literally looks like a shittier amadeus right it's still like a period it's still i don't know what they think they're bringing to the table or why anybody would tune in for that because yeah like network could honestly be remade and like totally up you know there's it's yeah you can see that being remade with like i don't know like rachel senate and like charlie xxx and like the cast of s and al hasan

Or, yeah, you could, you know, tell kind of a similar but different story in the same universe. Yeah. But this is just weird, especially because also, like, yes, it's a movie about, like, intrigue and jealousy. It's like Mahal and Drive for Men. But, like, ain't nobody care about classical music in this day and age. No, and no one who likes Alamedes or, like, you know, wants. Because sometimes, like, I. well I recently watched the Straw Dogs remake oh right yeah which isn't as good as the original

but at least it's like it takes place in America it's about like instead of like English country kind of like rough necks it's about like rednecks in the American South right well that makes sense then it's like yeah you're like I could take either that's an yeah it's an inventive and fresh spin on an old story exactly Have there been any remakes that are superior to the original? The only one that I can think of off the top of my head is probably the talented Mr. Ripley, which is based on Purple Noon.

What? The one with Gwyneth Palletra? Yeah. Is a remake? It's a remake of an Elaine Delon film. Oh. No, I didn't know that. Yeah, which you would think the original would be better,

but it's worse. I mean, they're both pretty good. as far as movies go in the original the bad guy the villain is the handsome one and the guy he kills is sort of like

the air is like kind of like the playboy is like ordinary looking like he's cute but he's not Elaine Delon whereas Jude Law and right and yeah Jude Law is more attractive

I think most women would agree right but they're relatively matched in attractiveness yeah their looks matched no jubla is like the hotter one but it makes more sense in in the context of a movie like that because obviously like the unassuming nerdy one would be the one with like delusions of grandeur and like a dark triad personality right but maybe not I guess you could make the opposite case that like a penniless handsome upstart would be the exact type of guy who would have like warm his way into high society and commit a horrible murder you should watch it it's a pretty good movie the funny games remake it's like a shop for shot

remake by this by Hanaki as well but I would say is better just because they're speaking English and it's going to remember Nemon Watts and Michael Pitt and stuff you know I don't they're more for me better to look at than like random whatever german people like if i had to pick one version of funny games i'd watch the of course english speaking one yes but yeah amadeus already in english already really good already you know true to the period yeah and there's no need

I would say that like Amadeus is one of those few movies That's like pretty much the platonic ideal of a movie It's like remaking like Barry Lyndon Yeah somebody should like remake Barry Lyndon with Hassan Piker He should get his Adam free A lot of chicks think he's hot He needs he can't I think That's something wrong with him

Yeah There's something twisted and brink again inside Hassan-Pyker in the streamer maybe about shocking your damn dog anyway anyway

you'd never seen network before weirdly know so I was really glad that you suggested it I thought it was like a good idea because it was a I thought it'd be a better idea than it was, to be honest.

Sure, but that's how things, that's how it always be. Yeah. But this is gay and trite to point out, but I guess it does have quite a bit of foreshadowing of how, like, media functions in today's contemporary landscape or whatever. But it's quaint. almost to watch because there's so much of the like conflict and tension is about a Fay Dunaway's character is like an ambitious upstart executive who um well for yeah first of all there's this alcoholic newsman named Howard Beale yeah he's like a beloved old

school news anchor who's been on the air for decades but ratings are down he is told that he's going to lose his job and then on his the next broadcast he says that he's going to kill himself on air and Faye Dunaway takes the initiative Diana Christensen is her character's name she takes the initiative to sort of capitalize on his fervor and anger and to market it in a way that maximum his ratings. Yes, that's sort of like the core point of the film. One of the most amazing features of that film is this like very correct commentary on how people are too distracted and checked out to actually pay attention to what's going on as it's transpiring. Like when

Howard is first sacked, he goes on a drunken bender with his best friend who's also an executive of the news division at UBS, Max Shoemaker, and announces his plans to kill himself on air. Then he merely threatens to kill himself. And nobody in the studio picks up on this except for like one woman and one guy. And then he is allowed to walk it back and apologize, which leads him to go into his rant about like how, you know,

the system is bullshit or whatever. Yeah. which yeah Diana Savilly exploits this crisis like never let a good crisis go to waste there's another moment that comes later in the film

where what's his name Frank Hackett the Robert Duval character the boss yeah the guy who's above Shoemaker yes where they're at some

network gala in Los Angeles and after the thing wraps, all the waiters and bartenders are watching Howard Beale chimp out over this proposed buyout by the Saudi conglomerate, and he's like yelling at them to turn off the TV because he's about to take a phone call, which is about Howard's chimp out. So yeah, it's like people don't pay attention until the crisis becomes too bad to ignore, or whatever.

I was thinking about how like, well, first of all, when I watched the movie, I literally was thinking about how, like, I didn't even internalize any of the lessons or foreshadowing of this movie because my attention span is so blown out that I was like taking little breaks to like scroll the TL, which is like the real takeaway. I mean, in that way, that's what I mean by its quaintness because it's about like the television generation. Yeah. That, like, Diana Christensen

represents this woman who's, like, um, kind of vicious and, like, hollow. Mm-hmm. Because she's just got the T, you know, she's been raised on TV. Yes. And now we have literally, like, people,

did you hear about that guy in France who got, like, tortured to death on a live stream? No. Horrible story. But literally, yeah, there's people, dying on live streams all the time. Yeah, and that's, you know, spoiler.

The movie ends basically with the conclusion of Howard's premonition about killing himself, except he's assassinated live on air. Well, the beginning of the film is Howard Beale is a man who was killed for having low ratings. And then, yeah, as Diana becomes more powerful at the network, she, um, produces all of this other kind of like cynical programming about like leftist violence. Yes. It's not it's the what are they called in the movie? They're supposed to be kind of like the symbionese, the Patty Hearst, whatever.

Yeah. So the whole Howard Beal arc sort of falls into her lap by chance or luck. Her original idea is something called Joseph Stalin and his merry band of Bolsheviks, which eventually becomes the Mao Zedong hour. which is kind of like a docu-drama. It's a proto-reality show featuring this group. It's like a left-wing anarchist terrorist group called the Ecumenical Liberation Army. Yeah.

And like there's this meta-commentary that's running in the background at all times because the network is overrun by like petty intrigue and backstabbing. The only reason that Howard gets the chance to do his rant, which boosts the ratings of the show and the network, is because his boss slash BFF Max is fired and wants to seek revenge against the top brass. So he lets like Howard do his thing. But there was also, as you mentioned, some actual like Patty Intrigue and backstabbing over the casting of Vanessa Redgrave. Well, I don't know if there was backstabbing.

Exactly. But they were like fighting over it. It's just, well, Patty Chayefsky is a very interesting. interesting figure who was a playwright and then in the 50s was a very, very successful

like teleplay writer. He went his first to ask. Also quaint. Yeah. Teleplay. But he was like chronically unsatisfied, you know, like he stopped doing theater, then he started doing TV, then he thought TV wasn't letting him like

express himself enough. Just like Jewish. Well, that's for sure. and then he kind of fell on hard times and the network was kind of his like comeback not hard times exactly but he was sort of you know he tried to dog house yeah yeah his star was on the descendant but yeah there's a lot of these elements so such a prolific screenwriter he was given a lot of creative control right yeah so he worked very collaboratively on all the films that he wrote yeah and there's like a lot of these um ingredients seem very familiar now, this, like, ranting and raving newscaster who becomes kind of a political

influencer, like a populist prophet, the girl boss executive, who's, like, incapable of love and can enjoy sex because she's so fanatically devoted to her job. She has a masculine temperament in the bedroom. The black Marxist revolutionaries, and they're, like, white leftist handlers, the backdrop of, like, leftist violence and political assassination. The movie opens on these failed assassination attempts against Gerald Ford. Lorraine Hobbes, who's like a kind of Angela Davis stand in, who ends up, I guess,

being an accessory to murder. It's all very Tom Wolfe. Dog Day Afternoon, also directed by Sidney Lumet. It also has a lot of this, you know, it's time is a flat circle. Yes. History repeats itself. There's a lot of. like very pertinent films from that era. Yeah.

Touch on a lot of things that are irrelevant. Yeah. So Diana Christensen, the Fay-Dunaway character, says, the American people want someone to articulate their rage for them. I've been telling you people since I took this job six months ago that I want angry shows. And she talks about how Americans have been clobbered on all sides by Vietnam and Watergate and inflation and depression, how the public is like weary and wary. and we should be like tapping into their rage and reflecting it back at them.

She wants more podcasts, more street. She wants America first. But she has this very noble and socially conscious explanation for what she's trying to do. And of course there's like no nobility or social consciousness involved at all. It's all about the ratings. She wants to become the top dog at the network and she wants the network to be like number one in America. She's very wise. yes as CBS and she's taking the rain yes and she says of Howard Beale which is the Peter

Finch character he's articulating their popular rage he's a magnificent messianic figure invaying against the hypocrisy of our time but of course she's not really like interested in harnessing or channeling people's rage to like expose the hypocrisies of American life and society she wants them and this is yeah particularly prescient I feel like with social media, which basically runs on outrage and rage straight up. Yeah. But you can kind of like participate in real time. Yeah.

And a kind of like pity, jealousy, rage. Fruitless. Yeah. Just like Howard Heel like gets people mad. Yeah. But all they do is like watch TV. What's this catchphrase? I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

And it's like a dark and cynical version of people like beating their. pots and pans and clapping during COVID. And she understands that the way that you do this again is like by appealing to people's lowest basest impulses. Right. They want to feel mad as hell. Yeah. But they don't actually want to do anything except like watch TV.

Yeah. And she's she's not fighting the system. She's like, she is the system. She's like an upstart faction within the system. Yeah. And in, yeah, when her relationship falls apart with Max Schumacher, who's married, she, like, endeavors to have an affair with him. Ostensibly sort of just to kind of, like, take the reins more, get him fired, basically.

Yeah. And then they kind of, like, reconnect. But then he sort of sees her for what she is, which is, like, a void. And he says there's, like, nothing inside you that I can love. Because you're just, you're just, like, that TV. Yeah. true only you knew how bad things really were patty patty with a great feminization what was the the was it a niche he quote um about um the public being a woman he says truth is a woman everything's a woman

what is a woman but i was thinking about the fey denouye character which is like a really gray one of the best movie characters of all time I think um when their affair finally ends um he tells her I'm tired of finding you on the phone whenever I return I'm tired of being an accessory in your life which is like so true and on point because you know modern women always be playing on their phone and they want like handbag husband who is an accessory to all of their experiences that they beam out on social media it's like I want boyfriend or husband in this like Instagram reel or on Twitter when I show off my like engagement ring or post part of body yeah yeah who's taking the picture if it's not a selfie it's the poor loathsome handbag husband

I think the woman who plays his wife won an Oscar actually because she has a great scene I think, oh yeah, the movie was well regarded in its time and one of the notable things about

the Faye Dunaway character is how like self-aware and articulate she is about herself not in the way that contemporary women are where they're like kind of like precious she's like yeah like I have a male libido and I'm allergic to commitment and I love my job and that's all I care about well she's a exempt not exemplary exceptional yeah she's a very special

woman and I think originally when Chafsky was writing the script it was going to be because he had this other movie called the hospital that was like a satire of he's an amazing, I first read Patty Shayevsky when I was studying acting and his plays and teleplays are very popular for like

scene work because he's such a good dialogue writer and he his scripts have a lot of like heart and kind of like realism even when they're like wacky and satirical

but he does a good like on ensemble of characters, which is present in network as well. I forget what my point was. Oh, that, yeah, originally there was, the, um, Diane's character was maybe going to be like a man, but then he wanted to like kind of shoehorn in this kind of love story, which I don't find particularly romantic. Well, it's not, no, but it does have elements of like, human beings. or authenticity

to it because obviously Diane strikes up the affair with Max because she wants more of a controlling share in the network and she's trying to

insinuate herself and like infiltrate the management or whatever but their romance does have some like genuine

attraction and affection to it because they have like an age gap relationship and he's like a father figure and she's this like um i guess like exciting thrilling young woman that gives him a new lease on life that his you know old lady brings up to him yeah she said oh she's going to be your winter romance and he keeps saying that he's like intrigued by her or infatuated by her and the wife is like tell me you love her just say it and then she asks at some

point um does she love you and he answers quite honestly i don't think that she's even capable of love yeah and then yeah there's that scene where they go to her house and she loves she lives like a total chud like she has this very like uh masculine living space as well where she's yeah basically just in love with like television yeah she's in love with the game she's in love with the game. She's lost in the sauce. She doesn't have like a nice home. Setting aside the fact that most people, male or female, could not be that honest and candid about their private motivations. Her dialogue does at times feel like it was written by a man because she is so like high-powered and masculine. And I was thinking about that in light of Helen Andrews essay, which I propose that

we discuss on the podcast, but then I was like, no, we should just like have her on and discuss it with her because it ticks so many of the boxes of what we were talking about when we started out. It was a good, what was it called? The Great Feminization. Yeah, it was good, but I was kind of like, well, duh. Yeah, no, I know. It does feel, I've been, we've been saying this. Yeah, I guess if I have one critique, well, I have two critiques of this essay. Number one is that it almost feels like 10 years too late. It's a little dated, yeah. It's very strange and unusual that it would be published now, though I'm glad that

it's being published to such fanfare. And like I even asked like on Twitter, like what would have happened if this essay was published like at the height of Me Too where you couldn't say this stuff or you would be like canceled or whatever. And then the other thing is that like I'm sympathetic to her theory and I think it holds water but obviously it's not like purely scientific and there are a lot of other elements that explain like why society seems so like soft and weak now and it's not just because women now outnumber men at all the important institutions so we can all agree that that's

not how it ought to be I think no I mean I broadly agree with her thesis but yeah I'm not so compelled by like the pop psychology of like you know men are do this and women are do this and like there's like some truth to that but it's a little like shallow it's little flat well it's it's useful in the same way that like talking about narcissism is useful it's like an imperfect umbrella catch all term for like what sailor calls anic data like which is like data that you glean from your lived experience. Like, we've all noticed that there are more women in positions of power and more women in the workplace in general and the balance has been tipped.

And in some ways, the Fay-Dunaway character is not exactly reflective of that because she's one of those rare outlier women that thrives in a male-dominated workplace. Yeah, she's a pick-me. Yeah, she's a pick-me. She's a guy's girl. Yeah, she's not, she wouldn't thrive in a modern network. setting where there was a large female HR and

like bureaucratic presence. They should remake network except everybody's a woman. And the Faye Dunaway character is a young white man. Um, what was that?

Fuck, I forgot what I was going to say. But It'll come to me. But, like, obviously, at that time when women were just entering the workplace, the women who thrived under those conditions were selected for by the system and that they could hang and they could handle the pressure, they, like, performed well under pressure. And they weren't, like, overly, like, emotional.

They didn't want to talk about their feelings. Pahlia talks about this, too, how the, you know. She has, like, a very romantic. like a fetishized view of like the 1980s corporate power suit woman who is like up in the boardroom chopping it up with the boys and like using her feminine wiles

but also using her like masculine temperament to achieve things oh but what I was going to say was that like what we I feel like woke there's not going to be like it's another one of these articles that's about like wokeness and like trying to like do the post-mortem, the biopsy on wokeness

and then like attributing it to one kind of thing that there's some anecdotal evidence for. But wokeness broadly is something that is not so well defined. But we all know it like pornography, we know when we see it. Yeah. And you have all these like computer. competing explanations for why Wokeness was able to take hold. You have the Chris Rufo explanation

that it was like a Marxist cultural revolution in academia. Trickled down through the institutions. Yeah, you have the Richard Hanania explanation pilfered from Christopher Caldwell that it was a matter of civil rights legislation which made everything presumptively illegal but was contingent on who holds the reins of

power and how they enforce legality you have the Helen Andrews explanation which is again there's too many hoes the balance was tipped in favor of foids and I think like

I try I guess I would view all of these explanations as complimentary versus competing I see them all as like symptoms of something else that I can't quite diagnose. Yeah, it's like very hard to articulate.

And then you have, again, like, the rise of like social media. Who let the bitches take the reins? Yeah. Why, like, there were things, there were conditions already in place to allow for like a feminization to happen. It didn't just happen organically. Yeah. Because more women happen to be going to college and getting jobs. Yeah.

And like one thing that you see with network is even though, the networks are fairly sympathetic if performatively to like progressive causes because they want to boost their ratings and even if the movie itself is sort of like almost left wing which I'll get into in a minute like how much more like conservative society was in a way the people then and people now take for granted. Yeah. Like even leftists were pretty conservative by then. I mean, they were not so dissimilar.

What do you mean? In their propensity for political violence and, you know. There's certainly a lot of parallels. But Chayevsky's critique is a little like, it's not about the Arabs so much as it's about like the corporate structure. Right. Well, that's why I was thinking about how the movie is obviously a very, like, boomer critique of the system. And in that way, it's also a very, like, left-wing film. But it's almost charming and innocent.

It's, like, before the software update. Because, like, the message is that people don't actually have morals or principles outside of self-interest and profit motive. You know, it feels quaint in this day and age when everything is so ideologically loaded. Well, in that way, I think it's not really left-wing. But I think that was like almost the original left-wing critique. It's not. Like, fight the system, like, fight the power.

And there's this, there's that moment where the CCA chairman, Arthur Jensen, gives an impassioned speech to Howard Beale, who at this point is, like, totally, like, psychotic. where he says there's no nations there's no races there's no gender there are no borders it's just a holistic

system of systems the dominion of the dollar the international system of currency so they're basically making like a economic class-based critique of how things function

but is that not true it's true it does of course have truth to it but it's So quained. Yeah. No, for sure. It's charming.

And Chayevsky was someone who knew the system very well, thrived in it for a period of time, and then, you know, started to develop this, like, critique when he felt hindered by it. He was the Matt Gasta of his time. Oh, God, no. But I don't think his aim. were ideological they were very like

subversive Jewish they were Jewish they were Jewish you know he like just had you know he's kind of taking a like I'm I mean

Outsider Jews are really good at like metacognition and metacomentary except when it comes to their blind spot of Israel but well we can also get to that line but time that wasn't you know

that was okay it was like he was a total Zionist but the movie is very like wake up sheeple fuck the system but I think it's more like fatalistic than that

it's about like the futility of fighting the system like Howard Beale's not the hero of the film no he's like like an old goat he's like a patsy yeah and yeah I love the scene when the ratings are up and he's wearing that like black turtleneck and they're like how about it you want to channel your messianic fervor and be a big tv star and he's like hell yeah yeah every single person in the film is

except shoemaker maybe he's kind of like the human amoral but he's like a human and everyone else is kind of like a caricature or yeah who's who's like opportunistically defaulting on their stated principles um to pursue their self-interest like even the um makeupless like afro sporting black feminist activist lady lorine hobbs is you know she she also is giving all these impassioned pleas and like throwing up the fist but ultimately like caves to the network's proposal that she do like well the way they get her i'm not going to do this honky ass show and they're like what if we gave you a bunch of money and she's like okay and then she's like brokering a deal with like what's his name ahmed khan who's like the the fake nation of Islam like fried chicken eating

lip smacking yeah a tom wolfian race grifter figure she's more of the race grifter right you can really see this this film coalescing now with all the big personalities tarik nashid hasan piker nick fuentes they're all in it it's really yeah it's and it's been said before i feel like there have been think pieces like you know even decades ago that were about like you know kind of a more surface like and they're mad on Fox News. Fox News is like network. You know,

like people have been saying stuff is like network. Networks are like network. Yeah. So true. So true. I was being such a fucking irritable bitch. I was like, ooh,

you made a movie about how profit motive trumps all other calculations in the contemporary age and how it's all like super meta and whatever. And I was like, wait, at the time this must have seemed novel. level yeah for sure because people had one like as everyone every like media theorist is fond of

pointing out people were under the sway of like a mass consensus a mass narrative there were like three major networks i mean there still are right but now we can get into the larry and david ellison business yeah which is why you chose to review this movie in the first place i guess because it dovetails so nicely with like contemporary reality I watched it when, like, the Kimmel stuff was kind of going down, though I had seen it before and was, I had been fond of it. Though when I first saw it, I was, like, in college, and the Fay Dunway character was very, like, aspirational. Yeah. To me.

Yeah. Like, I was like, oh, I was like, okay, I'm going to start wearing, like, a blouse and, like, a watch and, like, you know, like, if I want to come up in this world. Uh-huh. Like, this is, like, the kind of, like, woman, you kind of got to, like... You have to have, like, honey-blonde hair and brawless tits. She's very Mariam Nasser Zadda. She's wearing, like, a striped pussy bow blouse and beige chinos and, like, a wide belt or, like, yeah, tall boots. She looks great.

Her outfits are so good. Which a little bit doesn't, but her lifestyle. Yeah. But that's the magic of the movies. That's so true, by the way, because. It's true of all of us contemporary women who have like really cute fits but like live in a hovel

Like bitch who live like this I'm like getting Netta Porte Concierge to come to the stoop of my fucking like shitty ghetto like apartment Would you get at Netta Portier? Fucking Isabel Morant Wedge sneakers

Nuh Yeah interesting I'm a fan of of those because they're like a real nostalgic throwback to when I was truly a broke ass boop and like living in Bushwick in Williamsburg and girl like really hot rich girls were always wearing the Alexander Wing like pebbled leather stud bag and the Isabel Marant uh tote colored suede wedge sneakers that's it's an interesting throwback.

I stopped doing the Neta Portier like impulse buys when they stopped carrying like beauty products because that was always I kind of because yeah I like when they bring it

so quick yeah but I'm kind of broke so you know I'd buy like some skims and like a candle and like I'd buy like

some homewares and then like some makeup yeah and like they still bring it to your house a black guy to come to your house and give you the bag, like hand it over. It's like a hostage situation, money exchange, ransom. No, this is, I think this is the first time I did it because I'm like hormonal,

so I'm making all sorts of unwise purchases on the internet. My mom's calling me up and she's like, are you still blowing a ton of money on smotege? And I'm like, no, no. The real world's returnable. It's all brandy melbourne. I'm just going to try some of it on and then probably return some of it. but they do make that easy they facilitate it because like yeah some some guy brings it to your doorstep you try it on you send it back it's nice we need to pick me out yeah um um i have to pee oh yeah go off and what were we having about

the CBS ticot alison media takeover hmm no Wait, but what, there is like a specific thing. I don't remember, whatever. Oh, yeah, buying crap off of Netta Porte. Netta porte. There is an interesting moment when Diane and Max's affair ends, yeah, where he's talking about how she's like on the phone too much and views him as an accessory.

And he says, I'm your last contact with human reality and that painful decaying love is the last contact between you and the shrieking nothingness you live with for the rest of your day I'll be destroyed like you and the institution of television destroy your television incarnate indifferent to suffering insensitive to joy all of life is reduced to the common rubble of banality

Gaza the daily business of life is a corrupt comedy which sounds like social media yeah I know and like we still had like we had a golden age of television in like 20 years you know like TV was still he like foresaw something that wasn't even going to transpire until even after like what he foresaw was going to be way worse but having way later yes in the same way yeah and there's this like gender inversion where like women are now in charge and men are like superfluous in longhouse but there's also this like age gap thing where like

nobody wins um and everyone is fucked because like the older generation is guilty of like too much sincerity and moral faggotry and like the younger generation is like guilty of being too ironic and desensitized nihilistic clout hungry yeah engagement horny and both sides are wrong and right yeah everything's reduced to like engagement yeah but it does like which is really far worse than just people watching tv yes yeah and i remember like when we started out we were like critiquing the excesses of liberal feminism and making fun of audrey gelman for running the wing but that seems so much more like innocent and desirable now because you have all these like right wing females on the internet

who are like basically girl bosses by another name who are like jostling jockeying with other women with other females um what are they being like yeah like here's my engagement ring look how fertile I am and they're doing the girl boss thing within the confines of like traditional femininity and domesticity which is even more evil it is well dwarken talks about them yeah um yeah I mean, at least the way you, at least you get a blowout at the wing. Yeah. I keep getting Google name alerts about Chris Krause's new book. Oh, right.

Oh, wait. Tell me about that because, okay, so you had some tweet like years ago that was like Chris Krause is a landlord. Yeah. Which is funny, but it's like not like in your history of posts. It's not like the most notable or viral one at all. It's not like the don't over-sexualize my tight wet pussy one or like the one you had about like how you should do something crazy and risky for love, whatever. There have been like many of them.

But like that wasn't a banger. I don't even remember why I said it. That one was too. I was definitely on my like Bernie. It was some like gay art world shakeup that you were responding to because I think people were probably fighting with Chris Krause over something. But yeah, it was too inside baseball. to, like, be meaningful to people. Yeah, but it really, apparently, she wrote a whole book.

It pissed her all. She's been seething about how being a landlord was actually a act of Trumpian resistance or something. I don't know. I don't know. I haven't read the book. No, I don't know if I do, actually. I'm a fan of Chris Krauss. Me too.

I, yeah, if I don't even, you know, I was just mad because I want to be a landlord. Yeah, exactly. I was just pissed because I was poor. And I'm still Like I'm like she's still Landlord I'm still don't even own any property She would probably say that she's also still poor No way

Chris Cross probably like a low millionaire Not a high millionaire which like wants to be real like in order to That's not poor To really like secure your your fate And the fate of your descendants in this day and age You need like minimum 20 million 10 million Ain't nobody going anywhere with a million in the bank If you have a million in the bank

you're kind of like a middle class loser like the rest of us well i don't even have anything close to that i know but and but google lists your net worth is five billion whatever i'm gonna let's see but um hold on dasha necker no but it was a little it was a little depressing because i was like i was like damn she's still a landlord and i still don't have nothing and she's so mad there are no pub there are no reliable public sources detailing Dasha Necrossova's net worth okay let's try this one you have to go on like some Chinese anacochion net worth yeah there are no reliable okay all right I guess well I told you earlier tonight not to use grok because I was using grok last night to aid me in my I was

I was like, are there, like, give me a list of, like, um, essays or, um, critiques of network that deal with blah, blah, blah, these themes. And it told me that there was a, that Paul Schrader wrote a review of network. And that Edward Saeed had an essay about network. And then neither of those were, I was like, well, those sound like, well, those sounds I gotta read those And neither of those exist Yeah you can picture you can picture it now You can picture Paul Schrader being like

Liss critique isn't going deep enough And Edward Said being like This is a racist and an imperial movie that condemns Arab influence in the Whatever that's exactly what Kroc did We're like hallucinated that these things existed Told me they did And then I was like what happened

I was like what I can't find these essays It was like they're fake I mean, I was like, why would you just Why would you see that? I mean, I get so pissed. Because I groked some, um, blood work results. Mm-hmm. And it spit out this thing, which was like,

this finding is totally normal. And yet it's totally abnormal. It lie. It like, yeah. Yeah. I, it, I'm like, you shouldn't be allowed to lie at the very least. Because what if I was.

slightly even slightly dumber and came on here and was like as edward saeed said you know so many people are probably doing that no they definitely are i mean it's like so many people think that the guy who shot charlie kirk was a maga or a griper still to the day they're just taking this like language model synthesis hallucination anacotcha on net worth you get the people also ask thing and it says it says it's like language model synthesis hallucination and it says Anna Kachian a Trump supporter? Where does Anna Kachian live? What is Dasha Necrosova's ethnicity?

Interesting. Well, okay. Yeah. What is Anna's address? Where? Is Dasha Lithuanian? How Lithuanian is she? I mean, really, they clearly don't have any data sets for Belarus.

Yes. And if they did, it'd probably say I was predominantly Belorussian, whatever that means. So it's just defaulting to Lithuanian because that's the closest thing. Yeah. But I, you know, my wedding was pretty Lithuanian. Yeah. I mean, listen, I think we default to the wisdom of my mother who early on. Who said it is a higher ethnic group.

Yes. And I can hang. Dasha should be proud that she is a nobility. She should hold her head high. as a possible descendant of a schlachta class that like a third of Polish people belong to. Because my mom is always on this like Russian supremacy shit now after she's been debunked from her Jewish supremacy

where she's like, oh yeah, like Ukrainian, Belarusian, those are lower races. But baltoid. You know she's loving Estonia. But baltoids are at the top of the hierarchy. Yeah, because they're almost Scandinavian, which in your mother's view is, like, the highest, the best street fashion. Yeah, yeah. And, yeah, they're all, like, in the tech sector and kind of, like, you know, westernized in a autistic way.

Yeah. True. But I don't claim my Estonian heritage. But maybe I will. Maybe I'll do. Maybe I'll watch some more. YouTube videos, maybe I'll think about it. But I was almost thinking, like, I got to go back.

To Estonia? No, just to the, like, when it showed me the zone that my families lived in for 300 years or whatever, I was like, it seems wrong that I'm not, that I'm so outside of it. Well, you have to think that you and I specifically and men. many people who came here under similar circumstances are basically deracinated twice over. So like we're we're like ethnic minorities within the Russian Empire or the Soviet Empire. And then we're also ethnic minorities twice over in the American Empire. Yeah. I don't have anywhere to go.

Yeah. Ruthie, where, where's Ruthenia? The Carpathian Ruth? I can't go back there. True. I got to find a nice swamp over here to live in. Either way, I think both of us, in our own way, have some small ancestral claim on the origins of Slavdom, which is

Keevan Rousse. For sure. All the churches and chapels that they built without nails out of wood. Beautiful. André Rublo of whatever. Yeah, that's all real. I have those blood memories coursing through me. For sure.

Well, I went to, you know, like, Tashkant Market, which opened on 6th Avenue. And they have, like, a bunch of other locations, like mostly in the outer boroughs, like, Brooklyn Queens. No, ethnic grocery store? It's like an Uzbek market. It's basically a Russian market that's... What's it called? Daschant.

Okay. Market. And they have like a plof station and like a hot bar and a cold bar. They're like whole foods for Euro. What's that? Like the ice cream, the Russian ice cream. I don't even know what that is. You've seen it.

They have it at all the Russian grocery stores. It's like just like a little, I don't know, it's like a Russian drum stick soft serve for something probably um yeah biolka alonka they have all that shitty yeah they have some of the worst candy they have all this whack candy that i have a distinct memory of being like the best candy in the world and then you taste it now and you're like what this sucks yeah it's like from the soviet era it's like yeah it's like 40 years old but they have like um you know like uh kasha sirniki whatever lots of different breads I've never even seen that in my life

if you go to like a freezer they have in Brighton Beach they definitely have that here I'm sure without having it yeah it's like the same kind little wafer but yeah I'll go up in there it's so easy you take the F to West Forth

and you're there but I was up in there like buying food thinking like wow like this is like so amazing and like nostalgic, but I, like, I had this thought, like, oh, like, you literally, like, cannot get fat if you eat ancestral foods, but that's so delusional because you definitely can. And it's only because I have this, like, narrativeized nostalgia for the past. I think there's some truth to you being able to metabolize to it because it's like your

biome is is like uh primed to accept certain foods that you grew up around solo you'll definitely get fat but you you know but yeah you should probably eat things that are like your metabolism is like prime to yeah take in for nutrients which is like buckwheat slop and french bread yeah but that's what i like about russian food is it's not very good no it's just kind of like that's what makes it better you're not supposed it's not about like enjoying it russian people eat to live not live to eat exactly so you won't get fat mostly because it doesn't taste very good yeah so they're like too much of it down yeah but i like kasha it was they there used to be a place on sixth called balkan street eats that was like a boorak kind of chavoppy spot but it closed pretty quick not a lot of demand but I when I lived over there I'd go there a lot oh yeah I remember when you lived next to like Vesuvio yeah yeah yeah those were the days yeah yeah yeah now there's all these Turkish spots opening up by me yeah that

makes sense because aren't Turkish people like actually like making serious gains in the New York real estate market like people always worry about like Chinese but it's actually Turks Eric Adams famously you know he's he sold a lot of the he he gave him a lot of power for the business class flights yeah which I would do too I do the same thing yeah but also the Turkish mission embassy whatever is pretty close so that might have something to do with that but they don't look very good. You know, I hate to say this because obviously half Armenian

and I hate Hassan Piker, but I do like Turkish people. Yeah? Yeah. They're like beautiful and smart. I haven't had that much... I mean, they're very diverse. Yeah. Ethnically.

It's a big country. but I've really like never met a Turkish person that I didn't like. I don't know. I'm prejudiced. Wait, why? Wait, what's your beef with Turks? Well, they're meaning of genocide. Just that they seem to get away, you know.

Yeah, they did get away with that. And Constantinople, you know, the Turkish turban. Yeah. Well, I think I like them because they're like a liminal case and they're like, they're not brown, they're mostly white, I guess, and they're also kind of like bohemian and degenerate in a way that most Muslims aren't. Right.

They're almost Balkan in there. Well, they are, I mean, Balkans are like the runoff of like Ottoman Empire. Yeah. Which is like why you have like blonde hair, blue white Muslims in like central and eastern Europe. I watched I watched a couple

some like October 7th style programming and I watched one documentary that made the case that because they were doing like the Putin thing of like

well you have to go back they were like they were like Islamic conquest actually means that they colonized Jerusalem and so it's not

that the Jews, it's not that Israel is colonizing Palestine, it's that Islam is colonizing Judea. Exactly. Yeah. This is an originally Judaic. Yes. Okay. Yeah, we get it. Um, yeah, well, now that you mention it, there was, um, this beautiful blue eyed and I assume blonde hair, not that I would know, hijabi at Tashkamp market. She looked like one of those like British converts. Yeah. But she was clearly just. like a girl from the Russian Empire who came from like Islamic ancestry. Right.

I want to see her 23 and me. I know. I wish we just I wish we had that on the Palantir. I want like a influencer branding deal with Tushkamp Market. Hello. We agree to sell your

pastries and honey. I know, but we always do this. We always start shilling some crap. I'm like the freckle pen is the best one on the market and then they're like well there's no incentive for them to i know we've already done the shilling but i'm willing to mention it every episode from here on i want free unlimited lifetime supply of buckwheat kasha and cost like 50 cents divorced please I don't want to pay we need a herring

I am Jewish I need special honey what else is on our jacket well the Paramount yes CBS slash Warner

CNN Ellison merger the Politico young Republicans business. They're so sky dance. What's sky dance? Paramount Sky. SkyDance is also a company that I guess sounds Oracle.

Oracle is a company. You're telling me now for the first time that Jews control the media. I'm so scared. Well, they're. Oh my God. Apparently they've lost their grip at some point. Well, they did. They did.

And now they're coming back. Yeah. Thank God. I mean, that's really the, when I watch my, like, network, I'm like, we don't even have the skill level to make a movie like this. I mean, it's so true, yeah. Like, we don't have the screenwriting talent. We don't have the directing.

We don't have the actor. We cannot make a movie like network today. No, you couldn't. You couldn't. You can make it a cheap knockoff remake with, like, Ayo Ed DeBuri as the Faye Dunaway character. She's not only a woman. She's a black. but she's not Aidos.

What's Aidos? It's like African descendants of slaves. Right. Like what's her face with the talk show that got canceled? Z-way. Oh, Z-way. Oh, yeah. Z-way can be in it.

Okay, so Larry Ellison. Right. Is now going to own TikTok, basically? He and his son have a, acquired Paramount in CVS and CBS and are making a bid for Warner and CNN and these are cross-platform deals because they will now involve social media platforms and apps such as TikTok. They also obviously acquired the free press and installed Barry Weiss as the head of CBS. This is from the New York Times.

Many elements of the new TikTok remain unclear, including the exact ownership shares and who will run the company about the only safe assumption is that the app will be controlled by people sympathetic to President Trump. The Murdoch family, the owner of Fox News, probably will be another investor. The president said last weekend in an interview on Fox News, Congress has ordered the Chinese company Bight Dance to invite itself to divest itself of TikTok for national security reasons in a law whose enforcement was delayed by Mr. Trump. Oracle already has a relationship with the app.

using its cloud servers to handle US users data, but the new deal could give it access to consumer facing sides of the business. Okay. So they already run the back end and now the question is whether they will run the front end. Because the whole deal with

the TikTok ban was that the Chinese had too much control. Right. That it was a security issue. So they were saying like the only way that you can run TikTok in the United States, is if you sell the TikTok property to an American firm,

yeah, to a Jewish person, yeah. So that way you can cut back on the... And obviously, like, the big concern here is that this merger will lead to, like, a media monopoly on pro-Israel sentiment. Well, they need to do damage control bad. Like, at a time when pro-Israel sentiment is being successfully rolled back. Uh-huh.

Because people can go on TikTok and see the atrocity. Yeah. Because people are also, yeah, they're younger and browner. They don't really like buy into the old school pieties, whatever. They just don't have, again, the Palestinian chicken episode of Kervis. Yeah. You know, you're like, wow, they're really just, because no one was mad. Like, no one was mad about that.

at the time like you you can complain about how this well it was just kind of a given that like jews and palestinians don't get along and there's this tension between them and it's like both sides are kind of complicit and there was just a more obviously a curb you're in this Larry David is Jewish well okay but there's the obvious problem that any merger of this caliber or the stature would lead to like a monopoly A consolidation of power. Yes. Like it wouldn't be a total monopoly, but it would be more or less there.

But also like obviously like all these people are like heavily pro-Israel. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Big time. Right. Yeah. Oh yeah. Or if they're not, they don't care.

You know, they're definitely not anti-Israel. Yeah. And I have no like insightful or riveting standards. to take on this, but it seems like the future standoff in media is literally between Nick Fuentes and Barry Weiss. For who gets to run the right and the TikTok youth

and so on and so forth. Well, Barry is not even really right. Yeah, but she's right. Of course, she's right. But all the, all the liberals and leftists see her as a right wing figure. I don't consider her one, but she's like anti-woke or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Oh.

Well, she's not. She's a centrist and a sinus. She's like a woman. She's doing her thing. Yeah. But she doing her thing, though. Mm-hmm. And I feel similarly, though not, you know, like Fuentes, kind of underdog, Barry, ousted, now on top.

Uh-huh. There's something satisfying about it. Sure. However you feel that. Well, I guess my question. is like who's the bigger threat to the longevity of the actual right is that very wise or Nick Fuentes a lot of people would argue that it's very wise I mean I guess I don't feel like I would have a dog in the fight so much what do you mean like I don't really

care whatever threat Barry Weiss poses to the so called right i don't i don't i don't know what is she going to really do well okay my thing is like i don't care about the specific opinions of like right wing boops on twitter but i again as i said on our last episode would like a final and definitive defeat of like progressivism in america because i think it's bad for everybody and you see this play out time and time again And you think Barry Weiss could undermine? Yeah, because she, well, you know, I love Barry to death. I think she's a cool chick.

I find her personally charming and likable. And don't like when people like dog on her randomly for her like appearance or life choices. I think that's rude. But I think that she represents a bottleneck to like organicly popular. opinions and ideas that are coming out of people to the right of her like obviously but she's not going to have a real like information has already been so decentralized even if you have CBS CNN whatever well I guess my big question is whether um any kind of legacy media channel will be able to have any inroads against well that's the thing is independent media i.e young people on on TikTok the thing

about the merger is that it's not just about like a conglomerate of mainstream media, it's like cross-pollinated streaming. It's going to be like more all-encompassing. So it'll have more wide-reaching. They're going to massage the messaging

of TikTok through like indirect channels of like censorship and cancellation. Obviously they're going to like determine the TOS, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, Bibi was saying this. This is like a front, you know, of their war is to recapture hearts and minds through influence on social. Right. I don't know how convincing or plausible this will be. Because I can also see a scenario where like sheeple. Yeah, but I can also see a scenario where like something like TikTok is captured and people come up with alternate channels to air their opinions. like obviously like that might happen but um yeah the it is like the troubling i think there will

be counterbalances because things will are so evolved and expansive that it's not it's not like the Saudi conglomerate in network that's just going to like have the reins it's just going to be like some voices will be suppressed but then they'll find new channels and there's always going to be like information wants to be free I believe that and unless you're in some kind of like totally authoritarian you know like there's three television channels that's the funny thing is like everybody's always crying about like fascism and authority authoritarianism and it's obvious that the real threat is like a coercive gyocratic type government that doesn't force anyone to do anything at like the barrel of a gun like that time is behind us

and it's funny because when I was reading the Helen Andrews great feminization essay I was thinking about how like there's like almost a one-to-one analogy with like stochastic terrorism where, like, the liberal and left-wing media will accuse, like, right-wingerers of inciting violence, but do it themselves. What's stochastic terrorism? It's like the idea that, like, if you as a public figure invite or incite violence, that it is statistically likely but unpredictable. So somebody might heed your message and go out and assassinate somebody. Okay. They love doing that.

I forgot where I was going with this. It's a good thought, too. Damn. Sorry. No, no, no, no worries. It's my fault. Something about, oh, the idea that there was like a, you know, there was a whole, like, a whole, like, cohort contingent of feminists being, doing the Handmaid's Tale Fantasy. But we have reverse handmade now.

Hmm. We're, like, women are cracking the whip and running things. Are they? Yeah, like on like a like cultural or messaging level, yeah. And because of like empathy, politics. Yeah, it's like empathy, compassion, just be a fucking decent human being or whatever. And they're doing it kind of like covertly and indirectly, but it's a project when they, when they accuse, when they say like, oh, like, The Trump administration is going to ban abortion and institute fascism.

It's a production. Right. Because they're going to use their soft power. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to rebrand as like a LibTard pro abortion activist and just wear an abortion t-shirt. Like what the fuck is wrong with you?

Do you have toxoplasmosis? It's like a Halloween costume. Super scary. Abortion is rad is so funny. With like a slice of pizza. Like even if you get an abortion and you're okay with it and not traumatized by it, it's like not rad because you have to go to an office and have your like baby sucked out of you. It's un-plussed.

Even if you have no sympathy for the baby and you're not like emotionally invested in it just as a medical procedure, it sucks. You have to get your pussy suction. even if you don't believe in like Like insolment Conception whatever It just like sucks Like would you say like getting blood work Or getting shots

Getting a vaccine is red Getting a pap smear They probably would say getting a vaccine is red I'm gonna do the getting a pap smear is rad Getting your HPV vaccine Is so rad like literally any medical procedure that you get is not rad by definition it sucks it's unpleasant it's an intrusion no you're a you're a slave you're a ward you're in the you're in the

word of a ice cold medical industrial complex but barry is very brilliant because i'm happy for her she's very nice and easygoing and acts nonplussed and that's how you get your way and being Jewish and starting like a little media web things I don't know

people have have doubts as to the actual value of the free press and how much it was acquired for but whatever I'm happy for her right i mean you could be happy for somebody on a personal level and not be happy for what that means for society as a whole i guess i mean i would just be happy if like uh entertainment got better yeah but i don't think it will i don't think it well but that's like again i feel like that's

more of a technological versus ideological problem exactly It's all like going to, look, when I go on Rumble, if cozy TV malfunction, and I have to type in Nicholas J. because he's still shadow band. And I see all the other like streaming content. It's so, like, I'm like, how could anybody? But so many people do. So many people watch streamers. There are.

They do. They literally watch like a Howard Beale version of whatever they. their like echo chamber. Well, I mean, that's my thing. It's like, okay, when I say that I'm not a, I'm not a fan of America first, that actually has nothing to do with like my disagreement with Nick Fuentes. It's just like I can't, I'm a boomer and that's not a media that's for me. I cannot watch streaming.

And so my experience of him is mainly through viral clips on like Twitter or Instagram. Of course. And I think that that goes for like a lot of elder millennials, Gen X people. Yeah. Fuentes was off putting to me at some point and then I got like kind of like lulled into a parasycial comfort response. So now I like...

It's a dark admission. It's true. It's true. That I like, you know, some like low grade stimulating chatter late at night. Yeah. So he's like filled that void. but watch it like I definitely well I realized I'm right in between you and Nick age wise

because he's 27 yeah I'm 34 I'm 6 years old as in him and you're 6 years old than me so it's like I'm right in the middle so I'm like kind of like bridging this so I'm not he so keen on streaming but I can like yeah except you know I'm coming around yeah yeah yeah But I'm definitely not, like, seeking out, I can't imagine, like, just seeing the thumbnails of, like, other streams. I'm like, why would I, why would I be watching this person, like, yeah, ranting and raving? But so many people do. It's really bleak. I mean, it really is nihilistic.

It really is so much more of a void than, like, television ever could have hoped to be. Yeah, and then you have this, like, dating and gender discourse. it's like endlessly exhausting and like recriminatory but it's like really doesn't come down to it it's like not anyone's personal fault it's probably the fault of like uh the people women and jews no um not even in this case i'd say it's more so the fault of like something like Elon Musk who creates the algorithm right that uh prompts people into that's why there are all is this discourse is because people are fed like alarmist inflammatory content algorithmically that they respond they're more likely to respond if they're mad as hell and not going to take it anymore than if they're

like feeling good and healthy or whatever which nobody is which nobody has a chance to like every single post on ex may as well say I'm mad as hell like that's everyone's just saying that over and over in different ways it feels like well I was thinking when we had T-chat on he was like Anna like you're such a nice person in real life why are you mad and so mad on Twitter and like I fumbled and botched it I didn't answer that right there are certain things because I was like I'm not actually mad but there are actually certain things that you should be mad about there are certain situations where like righteous anger is warranted and those situations are like when they flood your city with random

third world migrants when they try to urge you to trans your kids like these very stock like corny cringy right wing talking points like you should be mad about those things right but much like the like captured audience in network is mad yeah and responding to howard feels madness and you're just yeah you're making yourself feel better by by being mad yeah by being mad and you're not those things are like righteous to be angry about but but you're not doing anything by sounding off of it yes yeah yeah you're just feeding back into like a algorithm that like has you know mk ultrad you into being upset and you're mad at you that was like my core disagreement with like martin where you know he was like why are you lying but it's like it's true like

Like, I'm not his enemy. I'm even willing to get along with him. I've never had any beef with him. Not my favorite person, not my favorite poster. But, like, it's very obvious that he cares about, like, things like, follower count and engagement metric. I mean, he's completely lost in the sauce. He doesn't exist outside of the internet.

Yeah, and that's what pisses me off because it's like we are, like, Ideally, we're all working toward a common mission, which is like securing the health and longevity of MAGA post-Trump. That's what I care about. And when you talk about like shame and honor as he is fond of doing, which is something that I do a lot too is like a Virgo and Armenian, like you have forfeited all shame and honor talking points if you care about your metrics on Twitter. it's very simple you have like literally forfeited your founding stock American status if you care

about that shit he's Canadian but whatever so true let's be generous to him let's be generous to him let's be charitable North America let's go north and central sure um yeah but all in a way almost you forfeited by even participating in you know I think about this a lot like a fabricated kind of discourse that's meant to it's designed to be inflammatory to have these responses to get this engagement that ultimately doesn't serve you it just serves you in the short run because it gets you like followers and payouts and so on and so forth but it doesn't it doesn't serve you in the long run because it doesn't serve the society and you feel like it serves X it serves on the bigger yeah the company that runs this is so network the website everything comes down

to personal self-interest and profit motive. I mean... It is very depressing. And that's why I think X has really like declined so much. Yeah. And like removing like the censorship guardrails. Sure. That's one thing.

But then the monetizing of the posting has just caused the posting to be so sloppy. Like engagement oriented. Yeah. And so people go on there. And then they say, women are disgusting. What do you think? And then everyone's like, what the fuck? I'm not disgusting.

But everyone's disgusting. Where everybody's like, oh yeah, postpartum bodies. Yeah. Women have the worst tits. And then women say, no, I don't. Look at these. Somebody is like women have the worst postpartum bodies. And then everyone takes the baby.

everyone the one thing I the thing about using X on the laptop is that it does give me enough because I am

I do wake up my impulses like to look at it on my phone I'm like no it gives me like a little buffer and then when I do go on the computer and then I look at the feed there's

like just an extra like I'm like why the fuck am I looking at this on the computer you know i'm like i could i don't need to look at this shit and if i get upset and i start to type something out then i get like a kind of like cognizance do you do that what you get upset and you type things out that's so sweet you know like if some if i read something inflammatory i'm going to respond sometimes i do i do that sometimes but it's very sweet to know that people i guess people do that yeah but then i but then i'm like i'm on my computer i'm typing something and it just

give, there's enough of a lag where I'm like, just don't. It's not worth it. Yes. And then I just don't. And then I just abstain. You're like, I'm a beautiful, fertile human woman. I'm fine. Yeah. Exactly. He's in touch with the moment. And I'm going on a laptop. Yeah. Typing out. Yes. That's so true. Yeah. And having a normie husband is a blessing. Because he's, you know, when I'm trying to tell him, you know, he's like, how is your day? And I'm like, I'm just fighting with captive. dreamer on Twitter. I'm like, there's a guy. I don't know who he is, what he does, anything about him.

So get this. There's a MAGA influencer called Jack Pesobiac, and he shares 75% of my ancestry with me because he's Polish and Lithuanian. And in fact, his wife is from Belarus. Yeah. And he's just like, what are you talking? He's like, well, that doesn't matter. and I'm like so true

I'm like you're right but yeah I just I'm too sensitive I just had a breaking point where I couldn't and on the phone too it just feels too you know

it feels like someone's like it's too personal you go on X it's like they're texting you this shit but they're not they're also they're basically on a computer just like you and then if you can just have

like one degree even of like it gives you just a little bit enough clarity for me I have obviously I can't get off it completely I'm addicted I know it's horrible but not going on the phone helps because then I also don't look at it at night expect my cortisol yeah yeah try to get a good night's rest I can wake up at noon nice and fresh and play some online chess um should we talk about the young republic yeah but i have to pee so i'm going to do that i'll be rb okay i'm back um yeah some people think this is a left wing podcast that has lost touch with its roots they do so and some people think this is a right wing podcast that has become unmoored from empathy and humanity but this is really a podcast about women taking a piss it's like women taking pee breaks going to the bathroom having small weak bladder Joe Rogan doesn't do that shit no he he podcasts for like four hours every day and doesn't take a pee break yeah but he's not chugging wine and Celsius in Fiji water I like to have three or four

beverages going at once as you know wine Celsius coffee water oh I like an electrolyte drink if I'm hung over. We like to maximize the dehydration, hydration cycle. Because mind you, you look much thinner when you're dehydrated. The blow. But you also look older. Yes. Because your skin's all cragly.

Okay. So the young Republicans thing, there was a politico expose, a leak of a young Republicans group chat. It was called Restroy, whatever, hold on. Well, I saw today on TV at the gym that the New York State Republican, the actual, the real Republicans disbanded. Wait, what? Oh. the Young Republicans Club?

Due to this. Okay, so a lot of people got fired. A lot of people got fired, but now the New York Young Republicans just don't even exist anymore. Okay, interesting. This exchange is part of a trove of telegram chats obtained by Politico and spanning more than seven months of messages

among young Republican leaders in New York, Kansas, Arizona, and Vermont. The chat offers an unfiltered look at how a new generation of GOP activists talk when they think no one is listening. the 2,900 pages of chats shared among a dozen millennial and Gen C, Republicans

between early January and mid-August Chronicle their campaign to seize control of the National Young Republican Organization a hardline pro-Donald Trump platform. People are speculating that the leaker was Gavin Wax, who's like the head of the New York City branch of the Young Republicans

and works in the Trump State Department. He's apparently Jewish. I was really holding out hope that he wasn't Jewish because there was like a period of time. where people were saying that Gavin Wax was the son of Amy Wax and I had to be like, no, no, no, she has two other sons.

He's not. He's not. He's a different Wax. I don't know if I've ever spoken to him. I must have. He must have said something to me, I guess. We met him when we went to the MSG Trump rally. Oh. He was the guy who was like at the head of the staircase.

Okay. Okay. Well, we did that Roger Strum. own interview. Yeah. That was extremely poorly

organized. Yeah. I had some problems with my medication that night. I said some group chat style things

in a loud voice that I regret. I have since apologized to some young Republicans members that I was quite mean to.

Wait, what did you do? That's when I had my like Mel Gibson style. I just remember that you were like slamming her

fists on the table and like screaming at some like cath boys. Yeah, yeah. I was yelling about how the Vatican was infiltrated by Jews and Masons and stuff. It was really again, I was on well-beaution. I shouldn't have been drinking and the Nixentini's were flowing and I had a really bad feeling all night. So I just

I just, it was really depressing about Michael Bartels, who according to his LinkedIn account serves as a senior advisor in the office of the General Counsel within the U.S. Small Business Administration claim that the tax logs were extorted from him by wax

and like given to Politico I think like the big takeaway from the story which is otherwise a non-stories that Republicans are like spineless and scheming faggots who will throw their own kind under the bus when it's not even expected of them and no one's calling

for it it's literally a not yeah for what for what for some like interseen election some like petty drama yeah there's no story Yeah, so organization. Like there's a vibe shift underway.

Like Helen Andrews can publish a story about the great feminization to great fanfare in a way that wasn't possible before. You can literally openly discuss group differences on social media without getting banned. You can call people retard and faggot on social media without getting banned, though the latter will get flagged for hate speech. Faggot? Yeah. If you say, if you type out faggot, they will like flag you and tranny. Tranny. So you have, yeah, yeah. But we won the R word.

Yes. But people are like no longer caving to the pressure of being like empathetic and compassionate and a decent fucking human being. So like why are these people going out of their way to throw their own party members? I saw some Mount Walsh posts about how the right won't unify and they're addicted to losing. and it sounded it's I was it was very reminiscent of what people used to say about the left yeah that they also like would do this kind of like purity testing and backstabbing and so I think this is something that's just like true across organization the political spectrum Matt Walsh has been pretty good on this um I have two tweets by Matt Walsh um he's this is what he said about leftist media

if you actually read that Politico hit piece, you'll see that many of the messages are being taken wildly out of context. For example, the guy who said, I love Hitler was clearly being sarcastic. It's explicitly meant to be a sarcastic joke. And yet Politico put that quote in the headline of the article and conservatives are lining up to offer denunciations.

How the hell is anyone on the right still falling for this trick? How have you not learned by now to take absolutely nothing from the leftist media at face value, especially if it's a blatant political hit piece? Well, because no one reads the article and people just read the headline. And also the outrage is clearly fake, but he's correct about that. And then he also left out the right and said the right doesn't stick together. That's our biggest problem by far. Right.

This is the... Conservatives are quick to denounce each other, jump on dog piles, disavow and attack their allies. I said a few weeks ago that all we need, that we all need to ban together in the wake of Charlie's death. And the answer I got back from a lot of people on the right was basically no. well okay then guys we'll just lose instead the left will keep up the united front and defend their guys no matter what while we keep throwing each other to the wolves at every opportunity great plan i think that's true except for the part about the because the left does the exact same thing the left is not on the lower levels that's true like the dirtbag leftists are always infighting

but um but this is also a dissident right yes but there was like the case of um yeah people were like pushing back and being like, yeah, this isn't just any group chat. It's a political group chat. And like, uh, we need to, you know, maintain some professionalism and politics. But that wasn't very convincing because the point that bears repeating is that it's a private group chat, right? And it wasn't like an official or public statement. And the, the other thing that people were pointing out was that there was this like nominee for

Virginia attorney general. Who claims he. Jay Jones. Oh, oh, oh. Yeah, who was like caught in leak text published by the National Review calling, you know,

joking about calling for the deaths of, um, his political opponent. Yes. And his wife and his children. And people, the Democrats really kind of rallied around him and he wasn't like,

fired or canceled. Yeah. And then, of course, there's the matter that there was like a guy who was just like, shot in front of his wife and kids by a leftist activist for, you know, in part for being pro free speech and open debate. So like Matt Walsh is like broadly correct. I'm so naive and stupid. I was hoping that Charlie Kirk's death would be like a unifying moment for people who are not

leftist. I mean, I think it's was galvanizing for people who, aren't online yeah like of who are of a right more right word persuasion yeah who aren't online they're less likely to participate in this kind of like

yeah in fighting and stuff because they just don't participate in it yeah they're not they're not involved in it yeah they're not involved in it people in their life who kind of share their values but you would hope I mean that's like a good thing I said to to Fuentes on our last episode it's like okay would you be willing to set aside your internecine beefs if they offered you an olive branch and he said yes

I mean that remains to be seen but like that's like the operative um decision there it's like are you willing to like band together and apparently like people are not I mean it's ridiculous that like all these like right wing pundits and organizations are coming out to like condemn the things that are said in this group chat which are like like that's completely like innocent and softball it's like okay they're making like the most corny PG like Hitler and rape jokes it's like a brandy meld they're like the brandy melville people and it's like also like mpc behavior where it's like running on a script exactly like they're absorbing like second hand like based talking

points and like incorporating them into their own private communications which is so sad so they're gropers yeah so you're saying there's grippers but they yeah like the nothing that was sad I found particularly shocked at all nothing is scandalous or beyond the pale it's all just like corny and like maybe we're desensitized to be

you know to be I don't think so I thought about this but I don't think so because this is like the kind of stuff that like yeah like people I think if you're a boomer and you're watching the news you know and you don't go on X and you don't know you don't know about you don't even know what a dissident right could be and you're just watching the news and they say they leak these texts

are saying they love Hitler you're going to say what sure they love Hitler they said the gas chambers they said what sure that's true but I know enough boomers who are basically all libtards and they're extremely racist as fuck because that was like the norm like casually racist not actually racist but like they're okay with making racist that was like the norm throughout the 90s. Everybody made racist jokes against each other. Come on. I know, but it's like so crazy.

But these are like, oh, like, oh, they, here's, this is a quote from political. They referred to black people as monkeys and watermelon people and mused about putting their political opponents in gas chambers. They talked about raping their enemies and driving them to suicide and lauded Republicans who they believe to support slavery. Okay, two things. Isn't watermelon people a reference?

to, like, pro-Palestine activists? Not. Like, could it be? No. It's not. And then also, like, if it is, in fact, a reference to black people that's so innocent, it's, like, they're accusing black people liking watermelon and fried chicken.

This is, like, such a trope. I mean, it's, like, broadly, I guess it's racist. It's, like, literally true. Like, in network, Ahmed Khan or whatever his name is, it's literally eating a chicken wing. Well, the 70s were just a different. and this was just like you know but there was

you know um like black exploitation movies of that same era I've also played on these tropes it's like it's only like yeah

it's like contextually racist right and like also the opponents that they're talking about is like fellow people in the Republican Party who are not falling in line with their ultra-trum

message they're not they're talking about gassing other republicans as a joke because they're not based enough i mean whatever they said is and this is what i say to my girlfriends when they want to go through their boyfriend's phone or something which um i you know have done we've all done it but i think that just because you're seeing something private doesn't mean it's more true. It doesn't mean it's less true than something someone says in public or something they say someone else privately, but like people say things privately for all sorts of reasons. And the whole point of privacy is that you're free protected from public retribution, yes,

you have the freedom to speak privately and say whatever, a fleeting thought, anything you have like, you know, you're joking, a joke, a joke. You can wish that your ex-boyfriend might relapse. You can say whatever, you know? And it doesn't mean that's like the truth just because someone like whistle blew on it or leaked it or it was previously private and isn't long. But this is beyond that. This isn't even true or false. It's just like canned NPC talking points that they've gleaned from even more hard right elements on Twitter.

But the way that it's being portrayed, yeah. is that they've, like, uncovered the truth of how these people really feel based on their private interactions. Yeah, but like the flip side of that is like everyone from like Matt Walsh to Ben Shapiro, all these people that we like to, you know, make fun of for being like corny dorks have pointed out. It's like, well, the left does this out in the open. They like openly call for white genocide the death of their political opponents. It's like completely like acceptable and normal. Like, of course, everybody is being like racist and sexist and anti-Semitic. and they group chats.

That's what group chats are for. Group chats are, yeah. This is also a funny quote. William Hendricks, the Kansas Young Republicans Vice Chair, use the words N-slash-slash-G-A and N-slash-G-U-H variations of a racial slur

more than a dozen times in chat. It's like, okay, well, the tell is that he didn't use hard R. He didn't even use the hard R. He didn't use hard R because he's so, like, long-house. and socially conditioned. If you're not using hard R in your group chat, you may as well be a liberal.

With a U.H. You may as well be a liberal if you're not even... They're also accused of saying faggot and retard, which again, yeah. I thought we moved the needle on that, which is fine. Oh. J.D. Vance. He had the best response to it, which...

He had a good response. response and I understand what he's doing, but I really, what I, really, I, what I resent is he said specifically young boys. I know, I know. People get mad at him because he's, he's, I'm not mad at him. They're college kids, they're young kids. They're not. They're old as fuck. They're in their 30s. Yeah. And that's always been my feeling about the young, quote, young Republicans. Yeah, they old Republicans is when I went to that, when we went to the Nixentini party, I was like, what the fuck? I was like, I'm the youngest. person here and I'm old.

Like, what? Okay, but Jady Vans said... These people aren't young boys. If Nick Fuentes gets in trouble for stuff he said when he was 24? 18, right? 18 when he started, but oh, you know, like he's been young his entire life. And these people are old and sets of privately. Yeah.

That they shouldn't be penalized for, but they're not... No, J.D does have this problem. I mean, it's good. I think what he said was good because it sets like a... tone or a you know it's like young boys do say problematic things and they shouldn't like suffer for it but in this case they were like take the age out of it it's like you should be free to say like problematic things in your group chat without being for sure uh leaked and exposed and like canceled or i'm just surprised like that's why i wouldn't have said they're just kids they're just a

bunch of 30 something year old. He's 46. He's just a kid. He was only 38, you pervert. J.D. Van said this is far worse than anything said in a college group chat and the guy who said it could become the AG of Virginia. I refused to join the pearl clutching when powerful people call for political violence. And he linked a screen cap of the like the Jay Jones text to his like, I was a little confused by that because is he not joining in the pearl clutching? What do you mean? Well, doesn't pearl clutching imply being outraged? Yeah, well, he's saying he's, he's, like, refusing to participate in the denunciations of the young Republicans.

But he is pearl clutching about J. Jones. Well, he's not really, because that guy, like, literally called for the... But that's what he's saying. He's not going to participate in the pearl clutching when powerful people call for violence. But he is literally pearl clutching and drawing attention to a power warrant in which you should be pearl clutching. I'm just saying I was confused because I didn't, I didn't understand what he was saying. Well, he meant like the pearl clutching of Republicans against fellow Republicans. But those people aren't powerful.

Who? Oh, he means he's refusing to participate against the pearl clutching against the young Republicans when there are more powerful people, I see. Yes, like nominees for our attorney general. Who he is pearl clutching about because they're powerful. Just, I would have edited it a little bit. I would have made that more clear what he was trying to say. But, okay, but I didn't understand.

Yes, I understand what you're. saying yeah when people yeah yeah he said I'm not going to pearl clutch when powerful people but he meant he's not going to pull clutch about unpowerful people yeah when there's power when there's like powerful like liberals and left voids who are doing this and that I get it yes yeah he just should have spoken a little better and they're not young boys but I mean he had they're obese adults they are and it's true okay so another thing that people pointed out was that um the the the young Republicans, yeah, they're not so young and they're not so fit, they're like pretty

groyperous and dysgenic. They literally look like a griper, like a big... Yes. But I would push back on that and say that we're talking out like regional chapters for the most part. In New York? Well, Kansas, like Missouri, whatever. And just most people as a whole are more groporous and dysgenic.

I would think in New York. People think Republican and they think like Mitt Romney like fit handsome I show up to the young Republicans gala yeah and they're all like fat I'm like what the fuck and have like Catholic pedophile face where it's like the guy looks like a pedophile priest

sure yeah I mean okay the other thing that you have to like acknowledge that's like unflattering and shitty is that like anybody who's like a vociferous like political activist is going to be, like, fucked up and have emotional and mental problems, almost without fail.

I mean, I don't even think they have necessarily emotional problems. They seem high functioning. They're, like, lawyers and work for assemblymen and whatnot. Uh-huh. I don't think, I think it'd be nice if our, like, political class was a little more attractive. Mm-hmm. Yes, yeah. Because being attractive is connected to being disciplined,

We're just connected to, you know, other, like, quote, right-wing values that they claim to hold and yet. Yeah, I'm not really looking forward to conservatism being overtaken by, like, fat and dysgenic people, but that's kind of the way it's going. But it doesn't, you know, I don't know. Left or right, it would be nice if people just hit a tight, tiny. up a little bit. Yeah, it'd be great if most liberals and left just look like Gavin Newsom and his wife and family, sure. It's not that hard. No, it really isn't.

You just really have to, like, set that as your intention and, like, follow through that, whatever. Even, like, it can be husky. But the point is that, like, this is truly, like, such a non-story. Like, okay, some, some old kids. Some old, young boys. said some vaguely racist and sexist and anti-Semitic shit in a group chat and they didn't really because all of their conversations were like memified and canned and none of them have like an authentic sense for any of these differences that they're making light of and now some

like liberal publication is publishing an expose about. it it's like also fake and gay it's really yeah no yeah it's not as if they were going like mask off and revealing their true thoughts they were like doing meme jokes in their group chat which shouldn't even be admissible and somehow these people are suffering repercussions which seems unfair a lot of them got fired because even the brandy mevel guys didn't get trouble and they were saying way worse stuff and they're actually racist because they're Italian

they are yeah yeah but if Gavin Wax did in fact I think he did these documents that's a loser bitch move very Soviet

that's the thing about it that really stands out to me is that the snitching and informing feels like like not a good omen. No, I know. And like, yeah, it betrays a kind of like desperation that whilst there's like even like the right even gains a little bit of power that they'll start this kind of like vicious backstabbing. Well, it betrays the lack of vision because you're ultimately concerned about your own stature, your own position and not the bigger picture, which is what you claim to be concerned about.

and like the most knowable thing is to be able to set aside your own ego and your own livelihood for the bigger picture which one would hope that people are willing to do but what were the young republicans even do i guess they were just kind of like a i don't know what were they well i don't know i actually don't know what their function is i'm assuming that some of the people that are within the young Republicans organization go on to leadership positions within the Republican Party like one would assume I don't know I think they're mostly organizing and like chairing various events right yeah okay I don't know I don't have like a mind for yeah um organizations I don't really like

understand how they work how they work or what the goals are who it seems like they don't either yeah so it's probably for the best that they've disbanded I mean they'll be back I don't know there'll be a new thing it'll be it's fine it's fine it's just like depressing because sometimes like I get really darksided and cynical and I think like well the only thing that you can count on in this life is that you can't count on anyone And I don't think that's actually true. Network pilled. Yeah.

But it is a very sad thought. And sometimes it does like bring to bear. And like, um, yeah, this is like very sad that like completely unforced, unprompted all these Republican entities and organizations are like denouncing their own kind. This is why you're losers in fact. It's like everybody, except for the young Republican branch of Arizona who are like, well, we don't stand for this like whatever they issued. hit piece yeah right yeah it seems like the the move would have been to just like like laugh at it

but by the way it's like whatever what's that meme phrase like you can just do things yeah you literally can just like you can just decide not to be yeah you can like laugh at it and ignore and nothing happens exactly i mean like why do heads have to roll because of a group chat. Yeah, they don't. And yet, they do, they did. Yeah. But I don't have, you know,

I have a New York Young Republicans pin on one of my barber jackets, and I'll leave that on. That's probably going to be a collector's item. But I don't have any real, I'm not really a member. I don't have any affinity. They didn't invite us to the gala last year. Didn't we go to the Young Republican Scala? Or the year prior?

I think we were photographed at the Young Republicans Gala. The one after the one we went to, I think we didn't go to. What was the one with the Gavin McKinness one? Yeah, yeah. That was before. There was another one after that. I think there was another one after that. And they didn't invite us, which I don't care about.

Yeah, somebody said to me, no more young Republican parties. And whatever. Who gives a shit? I don't care. All right. Well, I guess I'll go to a different party. Maybe with some actually young people would be nice. No, I don't even want to go to a party with real young people.

I like being the youngest person at a party. Which is why I go to the New Criterion Gala. Which would never do something like that. We shall see. I don't know. No, hopefully there's just, no,

there's like a will be of fatigue about this kind of, uh, sabotage. I'm just constantly like periodically, like you would think that at this point one would be like, um, desensitized and resigned to all the petty infighting.

But it's always like still like a shock every time it happens. But it's like, I was surprised that people condemned and denounce the young Republicans group chat because, like, again, we are in the middle of the so-called vibe shift where it's acceptable to say certain things that were not acceptable before. And the vibe shift is supposedly a good thing. I mean, it is objectively a good thing. But at the same time, it reminds you of how ghetto and depressing humanity is because everybody is so susceptible to like arbitrary rules and protocols like why does the vibe shift even

have to happen like can't we just agree on certain objective realities can we just say something's retarded yeah like why does a vibe shift even have to occur even though i'm glad it did anyway i mean it's hegelian it is yeah it's dialectical anyway There's a synthesis. Oh. Anyway. We can wrap it up. Yeah, we can.

I think we did a good job. Yeah, we're doing Niatwork. Check it out. In Dog Day Afternoon, there's a part where he's yelling Attica. And I, like, look that up. I was like, what the fuck? Yeah. I was like, what the fuck?

And there was like a prison riot. I was like oh damn yeah it's crazy and also with the Gerald Ford I didn't know Gerald Ford was they attempted to assassinate him twice like I didn't know that but all this stuff like feels so you know like they make these movies they think it's going to be in the cultural consciousness forever uh-huh and then it just becomes kind of like a relic and then people go on their phone and watch it on Amazon Prime yeah and yeah I'm kind of like it's doing a Fade Downaway Network Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You said that video of her watching Howard Beal and, like, eating in her gross apartment. I was like, oh, that's me. I'm like eating McDonald's. Waiting for the stream to start. We're living, mattress on the floor, takeout containers everywhere. Eating a bean burrito on the ground.

Loving life. Anyway. Yeah, we'll see you in hell.