Red Scare - Only Haters w/ Sky Bri

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

Adult content creator Sky Bri stops by the pod to discuss her life and work, the future of porn, dating while in the industry, and more for Richardson Magazine A12.

Okay, we're back. We are here in beautiful Los Angeles speaking to Miss Sky Bree for Richardson Magazine. Hello. I'm so excited. We just asked Sky how she wants to be introduced and she said, I have no idea. I'm just me. Yeah. Skybre. Yeah. I hate like the phrase adult performer. I see me too because I just that doesn't feel like what I am like exactly yeah what about content creator that's too like broad yeah you know if I'm if a random person ask me what do you do that's usually what I say like I'm a content creator yeah yeah and that like feels legible to people and they yeah um um so um you're on the cover of Richardson magazine due to your content creation being very successful.

Yes. Yes. Yeah. For people who aren't familiar with you, maybe you can give us a rundown, like an elevator pitch, like very briefly of like how it all came together. I have been in this creator space now for this talk. So in like two months, it will be four years.

Is that a long time? Yes. That's a long time. Content creators, yes. So, what was the question again? Sorry, my. Like, how did you, just a backstory really briefly?

How did you start making content? Okay, okay. Yes. And, yeah. Okay, so I was working at Target during COVID. And that is when Only fans really started to pop off. and I've always been really, really confident in my body. Like, I love my body.

It's just the one thing. I feel like, honestly, in all areas of my life, I'm pretty insecure. But, like, when it comes to my body and my sexuality, I'm very, very confident. So when Only fans became a thing, I'm like, this is maybe the perfect thing for me. So I just on a whim created an account. And this is when I'm still working at Target. and I honestly it was just like people from my hometown subscribe to me like people that I like went to high school with and like honestly my co-workers at Target were subscribing to me and yeah I was just

kind of running like a little side hustle it was nice I could pay my rent and go shopping just a little money like on the side and then I I was a really big fan of this podcast called no jumper I'm not sure if you've heard of that I just learned about it yeah so it's definitely it's definitely change pace a lot over the past couple years, but when I was a fan of it, it was very like West Coast interviewing a lot of like up and coming rappers and like a lot of people just like involved in like the West Coast scene. And that really intrigued me. And I, because you were on the East Coast. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So I had never been to the West Coast. So it was just so different. And I would always have an AirPod in my one ear when I was working at Target. And I would just be listening to

the podcast while I was working and I always thought oh my god I want to go on this podcast so bad but I'm not a rapper I have nothing to do with like the west coast like like why would I ever go on and so after um I had been listening to the podcast for years and randomly the host Adam 22 announced that he wanted to start bringing on girls that had only fans because this is like this booming thing it was really interesting yeah and I was like I haven't only fans so I wrote an email to HR and I think it was like a few sentences I was like I love the podcast here's my Instagram like I gave my link whatever and then next day they wrote me back and they were like yeah like we'd love to have you come on the podcast and get interviewed so I spent the last of my

money on a plane ticket to L.A. I quit my job at Target because I couldn't get off so I went to L.A. and went on the podcast and instantly Adam loved me. He introduced me to his fiancé at the time. They're now married. And they were like, we want to be your manager. We see so much potential in you. And a month later, I moved out to L.A. And it's just been, I just blew up, like, right away.

Did you have an inkling that that would happen? I did, yeah. Yeah. I don't know why. It's such a, like, a strange feeling. is the one thing in my life that I knew going into it. I was like, I'm going to kill it. Like, I just knew that it was like my calling.

Like, yeah. That's kind of how we felt about podcasting. Really? No, no. No. And you haven't made any new only fans content and have been basically recycling old material for over a year. Yes.

So I was in actively, like in like the only fans, like the porn scene and everything, for about two years and I have now been out of it for like close to two years. Yeah, and you went straight to porn. You didn't really bother with all the tasteful nudes or anything. Hell no. No, that was my one thing. Well, when I first made my OnlyFans, I think maybe for the first few days I had posted kind of like risque lingerie picks or whatever.

But I was like, this is just not enough for me. Like I wanted to push myself to do more. And so, yeah, I started posting nudes like within a few days of making my only fans. How has that been for business though, not making any new content? Does anybody care? Honestly, I make more money now not being in porn than I did being in it. I think interesting. That makes sense.

Yeah, I think it's because I was so successful while I was doing it and created such a strong fan base that now that I'm not in. it they still love being able to talk to me and like are willing just like pay to talk to me and like get to know that like the more personal side of me they're your fans a parissocial element yeah yeah and yeah you originally shot to fame because you went on um plug talk talk right and yeah started doing porn yeah now and they talk about themselves as the first podcast to mix podcasting in porn yeah which is funny and cute. Yeah, because you get interviewed at the first half and then the second half that you're getting fucked. But do you think the parisocial element is even more important than the

having sex part? Like in terms of what, like making money and like being successful in the space? Definitely. Yeah. And I think I think that's part of the reason why I'm so successful is because I when porn was almost like my like that was like my side hustle. My main hustle was. My main hustle was being in YouTube videos appearing on streams like I really tried and did everything to get my personality out there like I wanted people to really like me for me and like think I was funny and like yeah really like be like oh I have like a crush on this girl because she's likable not just you know like a lot of other porn stars that are just getting fucked on camera you know what you mean well I was going to ask with only fans when you started how much were you driven by like

wanting to make money, obviously, but then how much were you driven by wanting to express a part of yourself that felt really authentic to you? Because you can make money, you can maximize money being really generic. Right, right, yeah.

Or like probably not maximize, but you know, you can like, there's agencies that like, our friend Mariah, she was complaining, she signed a deal with an only fan's agency and they did grow her numbers, but then she felt like she couldn't express her personality. and it wasn't like true to her brand or whatever. And they had like weird chatbots speaking on her behalf.

Yeah. And the fans actually caught wind of it pretty quickly and we're like, what? This isn't you? Yeah. So I, well, okay, so going into OnlyFans, definitely it was for the love of wanting just the game. Like it wasn't even money motivated. Like it was nice like being able to have that spare money, but I was still working at Target. Like if I was so money motivated, I would have quit at Target.

You know, it was just, I loved doing it and I loved, it's just so fun to me. I love like being able to express myself in that way. Now, I mean, it is, like, I'm not going to lie, the money is great. And that definitely, like, it's a great feeling like when you have an amazing month and the numbers are super high. but I have always, I take issue, honestly, with like these big agencies that are running these girls accounts. A lot of them, like, because I all subscribe to girls just to kind of see like what's going on. And it's ran in the most scammy way possible.

And yes, these girls are making so much money, but it's so inauthentic. It's so, it's just for the money. And like if I wanted to, oh my God, I have agencies try to recruit me all the time being like, we can guarantee make you double what you're making now, but I just can't do it because I know that they will run my account like shit, make me, it'll just be so inauthentic. I just can't. And in your case, if you had signed a deal like that early on, like, yeah, they maybe would have increased your numbers, but they would have capped out.

Exactly. Exactly. And that's what I've always worried about. And it's the risk that I would take, like, potentially ruining my, like, connection with my fans, that is just not something that I'm willing to. I mean, now you don't need it, but there are, like, countless other girls who kind of want to break through in the industry and they really have to weigh that decision. I have a question about that because I think we're living through, like, an inversion of the

traditional model where maybe we're, like, an aspiring actress or model or singer or whatever, you move to L.A. your career didn't really take off, you ended up doing porn. Now you can start off by doing porn, like speed run that process, retire early and, you know, the rest is history. But do you see that as like an overall net positive? Or do many of the same downsides apply? I think that there are, I mean, that is the trend. that a lot of people are doing. I think that there are a lot of downsides to trying to do that and

like get into porn to like make it fast money because there's so much that comes with it. Like there are there are so many positive, but there are a lot of negatives. Like I'm, I'm very honest with that. I think a lot of girls in the industry are they don't ever talk about the downsides and like the negative that aspects that come with it. Like I think people are scared to talk about that because they're scared it's going to fuck up their money or their relationship with their fans or whatnot. They don't want to bum people out. Yeah, yeah.

What are the biggest downsides in your opinion? I would say how it affects the relationships with people in your life. Definitely. I've lost friends. I've had family cut me off. I've had relationships not work out. Like my most recent relationship, I would say if I were to like really zoom out and look in like, yeah, there were a lot of problems.

But I think overall, like it was probably my relationship. my past in porn that was, you know, why the relationship ended. So I think, yeah, I worry about the people that are like trying to speed run the whole only fans just to get rich quick. But then they like didn't expect all the like the shitty stuff that might come with it. Well, how how do relationships work in your industry? Like when you have a boyfriend, what does that mean? Like, does that mean that you have an open relationship or are only you allowed to see other people? because it's for work.

Right. Well, I would imagine if you're also not making new content, then that makes it easier. So when I was actively, like, shooting porn, I was not in a relationship. I personally could not be in a relationship with someone while also, like, having sex with other people. I know there are people that can, I just personally can't. So, yeah, when I was actively in porn, I chose not to be in any sort of relationship. like that wasn't even something like on my mind um and then it was when i've stepped away from porn

that's when then i like opened up to like being in a relationship and i did get in like a pretty long-term relationship so do you miss doing porn um yeah why did you stop making content because you want to have a relationship yeah i think so i think that was definitely and you don't need to yeah i think a big thing yeah was like I didn't need to anymore and I also I think I started to in the in the beginning it was fun and it was excited but I exciting but I think I got to a point where I kind of started almost like dreading scenes like I'm like all my way to a shoot and I'm like I don't really like want to be doing this right now and so and I think like yeah when my heart started not being in it as much I think that was a sign for me to step away but I do say yeah I do miss it.

sometimes definitely I feel like that was I don't know if my purpose is like the right way to put it but that definitely gave me a sense of like a purpose because I was doing something that I felt so good and confident doing it and it made other people happy but I think I just like needed to take a break your calling yeah yeah yeah do you think you have a different higher calling I think I do, but I just haven't found figured it out yet. I feel like I'm close maybe. Because you wanted the money obviously is great, but you wanted really to be famous. Honestly, I never sought out to be famous at all.

I knew I was going to be really successful at it and that was exciting. But I really actually don't. But the fame wasn't part of it. I don't like being famous at all. I don't like calling myself famous because I feel like internet fame is a lot different than like, I'm not like an A-less celebrity. Yeah, we're famous. We're internet famous, you know? You know what I mean?

You feel like it's a little bit different than being like a, you know. But it does suck. Yeah. It's not the same model of fame where like you get to be kind of untouchable. Yeah. Or private. Your fame is more like diffuse and it's like online and it. Yeah, it doesn't feel I think maybe all fame feels bad on some level.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Even if you think you want it, you like, end up, you know, like seeing that it has downsides. I think that's another reason too why I walked away from it because I have really, really bad social anxiety, like absolutely terrible. I've touched on this a little bit before on like different platforms, but I grew up

with no friends whatsoever. Like I know people always say that they were loners or whatever. I absolutely had no friends and I ate lunch in the bathroom. Like I had severe, severe social anxiety my entire life. So like blowing up and like becoming. internet famous, that was like, yeah, that was like it was the total opposite of like how I was my entire life. So it was really hard for me to handle. And I think that was another reason why I honestly had to step back. So your ideal would have been like to thrive in only fans, which you loved in a way

that was like divorced from your identity. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Or I just like, I think the reason I like was so, have such bad social anxiety growing up was because I wasn't confident in myself. And then I think starting only fans, I found this, that was the first time in my life where I discovered like a true sense, like confidence. Like I felt confident. I knew what I was like, I was good at what I was doing. That was the first time in my life I got to experience. Like, wow, this is what it feels like to be confident. Yeah. Yeah. And I've, you've talked a lot about having social anxiety and how it's easier for you to like pose nude or have sex on camera than it is to like um go to party and talk to people um why do you think that is like I think a lot of us feel that way like I

obviously have not had sex on camera but um it's easier for me to like be sexual for example than it is to be social uh which you would think would not like that's kind of weird and um do you have like a theory for why that would be the case? What do you think your social anxiety stemmed from? I think my social anxiety stems from my, I have a hard time starting conversations with people, carrying on conversations. Like when I meet someone,

it's like, hey, hi, how are you? Good. I like your address. And then I don't know what to say afterwards. Like I never,

I don't know how to carry on. conversation very well out in the wild and um with sex it's so to me it's it's like so second nature it's animalistic like my body i just know how to move in and i don't have to talk like i just like i'm doing something that real like we were all made out of like from like it's you know it's something natural so that's why do you enjoy sex like still to this day i do yeah and like i mean i think it's like Often, like, the talking is a pretense for sex anyway. So it is. Like, especially with the opposite sex.

I think, well, okay, normally when I, like, leading up to sex, like, with, like, okay, like, say I'm, like, going out with the guy, like, it's always like I'm getting drinks. Like, you know, I'm, like, loosening up a little bit. And then, like, we, you know, go have the sex or whatever. But so that's why I guess I can carry on conversation, like, before. The social lubricant. Yeah. There's a goal in mind.

Do you feel like you have to be smart in this industry or is it mostly blind luck? I think you have to be really smart. Like really, really smart. Especially nowadays with how competitive the industry is, like the only fans industry. I mean, there's girls doing only fans that aren't even doing nudity that are making $4 million a month. and not they're not even showing a nipple. Like, and that, that takes, you have to be smart to,

to be able to make that much money and not show any nudity. How do you do something like that? It's all, it's all in marketing and, and following all the different, like, trends and, like, tracking the trends and being able to stay on top of them.

And, yeah, it's all in that. Being smart with, like, social media, which I feel like, which is how I was. Right. You like used cloud. Yeah, yeah. I worked, I think I, I credited all. I've always, when I moved to L.A., I was always, everyone that I met, I was always so nice to, like, and just tried to create, like, some sort of, like, friendship with them prior to, like, working with them and doing podcasts and, like, being in their streams and being in their YouTube videos. And I was just always so nice to

people. And I think that's why everyone likes working with me and would try and invite me back to be in their YouTube videos because I was just always like so nice I tried to have good energy yeah I think that that applies across like any industry like yeah you just have to be easy to work with yes yes yeah and I yeah I consider myself super easy to work with like I'll never like I'm very easy going like if you want me to do this I'll do that like I'm not going to be like no I don't want to do that like is there anything you won't do or like when it came to like doing porn and stuff um anal yeah that's the only thing I did just because like I've done it with like boyfriends in the past but it just doesn't it hurts yeah yeah I mean it like I've had it feel good before like with like partners in the past but

I'm like I don't know like I don't really because everyone in porn has like huge dicks and I'm like I don't really want that up my ass I was like researching dread thanks to you because I was watching your old podcast appearances and the one thing that people always say about him, yourself included, is that he's a really nice guy who's easy to work with. So amazing to work with. One of the best people to work with. I, um, so I was really nervous going to shoot with him because I, so a lot of girls before they work with him, they like prep by using like really big dildos like and just like put it in them and like let it sit there. You just like stretch it out. I didn't do any of that. I was like, I'm just like raw dog in this.

we, I'll never forget, like, we started on the couch, like, before the cameras were even rolling. And he was like, let's make sure it actually fits inside of you before we start. Because I also super wide. How big? How big? Like, do we have to start? I think it's 13 inches. It is. Like, show me maybe.

I'd say it's definitely, it's probably the size of that water bottle, like thickness, too. Like, you can't put your mouth around it whatsoever. Like, whatsoever. Like, whatsoever. Like, you can't even. get your mouth past the tip. Yeah. That's how big.

Here's a question about that because I watched a bunch of videos of like dread having sex with girls and they start off with the blowjob and the girls can only fit like the tip in their mouths. Is that real or are they instructing them to? Oh no, you can't. No, there's no way you can. I actually asked him. I said, is there anyone that's ever been able to deep throat your dick?

And he said there was only ever one. And I think that girl must have like a deformation or something up her jaw. Like she unhinges it like a snake but no we had to like for five minutes before the scene was prepping like we had to like he had to literally push it in half an inch stop take a breather another half inch like it was a it was a lot just to even get it in but he's so easy to work with then like you loosen up and it's comfortable so it ended up going great what typically like I guess what is like guys guys in the industry I know they're all different but if you had to talk about them generally.

Okay. You know, like what would you say? I would say, overall, I had a lot of great experiences. They're all super friendly, excited to work with you. And I don't think they would just be excited to work with me. I think every girl that they work with, they're like, they have good energy. They're excited to be there. A lot of them are really good at communicating.

They can tell, like, if you're starting to, you're starting. get hurt or something like they know to stop. Yeah, I really had honestly great experiences with all the men that I worked with in the industry. I can only count like maybe one that was bad. But you've said you wouldn't want to be in a relationship with one? No, I would never be in a relationship with a porn star. Why not? And I know that sounds super critical, but I just could never date someone that was porn.

What if they used to do porn and didn't anymore? I think I could, yeah. I don't think that I could I definitely could not be with someone who's actively doing porn Because I just You're a Pisces. I'm a Pisces, yes. Me too.

Yeah. I don't know if it's for the same reason that I, when I was in porn, wouldn't date anyone. Like I just, for me, it's hard. Like, I can't have feelings for and love someone if I'm also getting fucked by other people. Like, for me, like, sex is very, like, the best sex is very, like,

emotionally like tied. But yeah, I don't think, I couldn't date a man that's actively in porn. I'm very jealous, so I just could never. Yeah. And also, like, I want that just for me. You know what I mean? Like, I want to share it. Do you run into problems with guys who are into you and then don't want to date you

because they find out about your past and your career? Or is that not a thing anymore? Any man that talks to me, they know what I do. Right off the bat. Yeah. More of the issue is more, the main issue is I'll start talking to a guy. He knows what I do. And he acts chill about it in the beginning.

But then once like the feelings like really start to develop, then they have an issue with it. And then they're like, I don't think I want to take this any further. Well, it's like, yeah, when you start dating someone, you know, you kind of get like, you hear about their exes and it's like, doesn't bother you. And it's all because you like are just getting to know them. Right, right, right. you're with someone for a year and then you're like and you're fucking bitch ex-girl. Yes, yes, yes.

That's exactly. That is exactly what it is like. I actually think it's disgusting that you were even with her. Yeah, yeah. And honestly, like, I don't even blame them. Like, I get, I could understand why it would be hard to like, you know, access videos of your, you know, your partner getting fucked on camera. Like, that is something hard to stomach. Sure.

And, yeah. being also famous sort of for it. Yes, yes. And continuing to even not making new content still kind of be in that space. Yeah. My ex, he's a pretty successful, like, YouTuber. And he, that was one of our issues. He just got dragged and torn apart, like, all the time.

He still does. Like, to this day, we've been broken up for a while now. And just so many people, like, trying to, like, clown him and make fun of him for being with with me so you know yeah that's kind of what happened with adam 22 and lena the park right yeah yeah people keep mocking him for being a cock or whatever and they're married and have a kid now what's a cigarette yeah i don't is that going to bother you no not i love cigarettes i don't have them with me right now i can run out and get them yeah i'll do that i wouldn't mind do you have one for me as well yeah i was i was i was kind of we assumed you didn't smoke

Because you look so healthy. Cool. You can take it. You're good. I don't, I think I'm, I know there's a tourist. I think there's like a tourist rising. And then I forget the other stuff. Yeah.

All I know is I'm a Pisces, but I feel like a Pisces is from what I know. You said you're a Pisces too. I'm February 19. I'm February 21st. Yeah. Wow. So we're both like kind of right on the cusp, almost an inquirious. Yeah. And I definitely feel like a Piscese.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Are you very sensitive? I'm the most sensitive person ever. Yeah, romance. Yeah, also very jealous. Yes, yes. Oh, my God.

I wish I wasn't. A part of an exhibitionist. Yeah. And, yeah, it sucks because, yeah, the internet rips me to shreds because I talk about how I am a jealous type and whatnot. And they're like, how could you be jealous? You did porn. Like, that doesn't even make sense. but I'm like, I can't help how I feel.

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. When I walked in there, they, like, all shot up in horror. They thought there was some, like, horrible technical difficulty or something. No, we're doing amazing. No.

We just find a lighter because I don't have that either. I don't know. Does you have, like, a gas stove? What's Riley's sign? Riley, what are you again? Oh, nice. Really? Yeah.

That seems compatible. Okay, I have a question that's like, that's kind of like a generational thing. We're a little bit older than you. Like a lot. Well, I am. No, I'm like eight years old. You're 26? 26, yeah.

Yeah. So the way like millennials, I'm 34 and the way like millennials used social media when it like started was so different from the way I feel like zoomers use it. Like not just in the way that it's monetized, but like it was like, of course we're going to set up a page, you know, and like put all our information on it. Right. And it's going to be like welcome to Dash's page. and it's like everyone's just like participating in it and like making content like for nothing

and then I feel like younger people kind of figured out how to make money from content and that really changed like the landscape of social media and the way that people use it I guess do you have any thoughts about like the attention economy online as it like someone who's been on the internet probably your whole life it's always just like been there yeah I mean I think just the way the world is heading

like everything now is online so it would make sense to now be able to make money online in the ways that we do like everything now is just becoming so AI technology chat GBT like that's just the way that we're moving are you worried about AI I mean I It probably doesn't apply to you as much, but like for the next gen of girls coming in, like, I think OnlyFans is like a testament to how much men do want to jack off to real women. Yes. Even they like, you could make an amazing, super realistic looking AI. Oh yeah.

It's getting crazy out here. Honestly, actually, the other day it popped in my head. I was like, you know what? What if I just like get back into porn, but it's not really me? Like I just like AI at all. Like how would I be able to trick people? I wouldn't actually do that, but I'm like, is that what people are going to start to do? Yeah, you could probably like seize the means of production or whatever.

I mean, yeah, people were always telling us, like, aren't you worried that people are going to make like deep fakes of your voices? They can like replicate the podcast and we're like, no, that's great. Because if we say something like bad and inflammatory, we'll just blame it on the AI. Yeah. You like have to like desaturate or like oversaturate it with information and then it doesn't matter. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And we all come at the other end winners.

I was actually just having a conversation with someone recently about this and how far, like, AI and all that is, like, going. And it's almost so ridiculous now that I feel like it's going to be, like, people are going to start to realize how, like, we can't trust anything anymore and hopefully will not be fooled by, like, the ridiculous, like, deep fakes and stuff. Like, old people are doomed, but the rest of us have. But like, yeah, for like the younger, like, hopefully, yeah, they're smarter. They can develop, like, some literacy around it.

I mean, another thing that I've noticed with young people is the body count discourse. Yeah. Was like, because I got a lot of negative attention online for having a high body count. What's your body count? Did you say it, like actually what it was? I said, like 70. Okay. Like on an episode of this show

Yeah, probably Give her take I was like, I don't remember I just have sex with you know, a pretty You know High-ish amount of people Yeah

And like I don't even make Pornographic content Right But even just the fact that I have A easy sensuality And a complicated past Got me so much hate From people online

And I was like We didn't I didn't know that I was lowering my work or like that people would feel that way. No, because I don't even really feel that way, but I didn't foresee that. Right. People would become so like prudent about body counts.

I was just like, I think it's like one of those things that like your haters used to clown on you that they don't think about when it comes to their team. It's like doing drugs or smoking or anything else. And also nobody in real life actually cares about this. It's only like an online phone. Oh, yeah. Definitely just an online thing. I've told men my body count, like, guys I've been seeing and none of them, you'd like ever really cared. What's your body count?

It's like 60. Oh, okay. Laura, I'm right. Yeah. So I guess if you take away, like, everyone I did porn, because like, for some reason, I don't count porn as like a true. Oh, I see. Like, if you take porn out, maybe it's like. What about counting porn?

30. No, that's, that's counting. That's counting porn. So with that point, it's like 30. Oh. I got a late start. I, so. And you're young.

I lost my virginity when I was 18. Okay. And I actually had, so I had my first kiss and lost my Virginia at the same time. Like I hadn't even kissed a boy. I don't even think I had ever hugged a boy before in my life. What happened was I actually went on anxiety medication and it broke me out of my shell. Hell yeah. It broke me out of my shell and I finally got the nerve to like, you know, like see what sex is about. And I like hooked up with this kid. He was like a grade old. older than me. He had, I was a senior in high school and he was like just out of high school. And yeah, we like hooked up and I like didn't tell him anything like, yeah, I'm losing virginity. Or like, I didn't even tell him like, yeah, this is my first kiss. Like I just like went fully in. Those anxiety meds, they really, they kicked in. They work. Yeah. That's great advice for young people who are thinking about losing their virginity and are wondering whether they should announce it to a prospective partner who's maybe not a virgin.

and my feeling is like no just go with it and see how far you can take it yeah I don't think like you don't need to overload it yeah yeah yeah I remember I watched that I forgot what podcast it was where you talked about like kissing

sucking dick and having sex all at once like I had never even hugged a man before like how old were you when you first saw porn really young like super super super I would say probably 12 because I had a Tumblr. And that Tumblr porn was the best. And I don't even think it was videos.

It was the gifts. That was my introduction to porn. Yeah. So I was probably around like 12. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's older than I thought, honestly.

Yeah. Because you've had the internet your whole life. Yes. Yeah. Do you think Zoomers are more prudish than like millennials and Gen X? on the whole. Is Azumer the ones older than millennials? No, they're like your gen.

So I'm, wait, you're a zoomer. Okay. More prudish? Or less experienced. Maybe not even, maybe that's the wrong word. Yeah,

I'd say, yeah, I would say they are like, they're more prudish about it now, because now you, like, you're a ho. That's what I mean. You're a 304 is the term that they use now. What's 304? 304 is like, That's what like a prostitute is called, but now that's just a term people use for like a hoe.

Like you're a 304. Right. Yeah. I mean, yeah, there was like slut shaming before. Yeah. But like, like, yeah, even like talking about things in terms of body count and like, like value with a marketplace is very young. It feels like a very youthful development. Yeah.

Definitely. Whereas like you could kind of be a slut and it was fine. Well, it was still a fun. It's still a fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

positive era and then I guess millennials introduced sex negativity or whatever. Yeah, I think it's because we have all this like red pill people that are like super like huge on social media now that like push that like narrative like your girl if your body counts over like two, you're a whore like over zero like you know like Andrew Tate and like those type of people like they're definitely the ones like pushing this whole. The monosphere. Yes. Yeah. The toxic online. Yes. Manosphere.

Would you say that's where a lot of your haters are? Definitely. Yeah. Do you have a sense for who your haters are? And what do they tell you? Like, it's hard for me to imagine that you would have haters just because you don't really, like, make public statements or, like, political commentary. I think a lot of it comes from people are upset that we have this platform now only fans.

that like girls are joining and like making crazy amounts of money and I think that upsets people it's like the easy way I think that's what it is yeah like if we really think about it like they're they're upset that girls have this platform that they're making more money than like any men really are out there making like so true and yeah the thing with haters is like they've heard of you and you haven't heard of that that pisses them all. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Definitely. So you became a millionaire at 23. Is that correct? I became a millionaire at 22 and then a multimillionaire at 23. Yeah. Incredible. Congratulations. Are you like a fiscally conservative? Do you invest your money? Yeah. All my money is invested. Do you have crypto holdings? I do not

have crypto. That shit is weird to me. And I don't, I don't. It just seems so like, so like, I know so many people that do crypto and they make crazy amounts of money, but something about it is like sketchy to me. And I'm like, I don't know. Like, I just have my financial advisors put my money and stuff. Like smart. Yeah, it's less speculative. Yeah. That's kind of how men make money. Yeah. Yes, that is how they. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there are like only two career paths open for people for women. It's only fans. And for men, it's like crypto. One of them. One of them. One of 100% yeah yeah have you seen like all the video like the tick talk videos that the men make like about the crypto stuff it's like a whole like little cult of them like the crypto is like a little cult we're

primarily active on twitter x okay yeah so i've kind of been on crypto twitter oh yeah that's where it is like yeah there's a whole side of it over there yeah i we made some coins but yeah i'm not cut out for have you guys made money off crypto like yeah you have you have you guys made money off crypto like you have Do you think it is like worth it to do? I think Bitcoin is absolutely a good investment. Yeah, I have some. I would definitely get investments. See, the reason I think I'm hesitant is because I know nothing about it.

And if like since I didn't come from money, I'm very like, like, I don't like taking like crazy risks. You're a risk. I honestly don't know anything about it. And I would not take my financial. No, no. You need a man to figure it out for you. Yeah. But men that I basically trust.

Yeah. Which you shouldn't trust any of them, but yeah. Enough men that seem that I trust have told me about Bitcoin. No, I'm sure the money is crazy. I just don't, I don't understand it, so I don't trust putting my money in it. I'd rather go like a little bit of the safer route. That's smart. Yeah.

Yeah, one of my questions was why do people hate you, but it's obvious that it's because they're jealous. Yeah. I think, too, there's also. I've been pretty obnoxious at times, like online. Like, I don't know. I think sometimes I can be a lot, like. Do you clap back at your haters? I don't know.

Honestly, I actually haven't had TikTok now for over a year because the hate is so bad over on TikTok, like the comments and stuff. It's, yeah. I noticed the big trend now is negativity. Like, even people that are doing social media, to go viral, they have controversial moments. Like, that's what they want. They want to, like, stir. controversy and like get those hate comments because the hate comments even though their hate comments

it's still pushing people to the page yeah yeah and that's so toxic it is it is but that's just that's just the direction that like everything's heading like online and in the creator space in the negative direction yeah like it's all about like hate like hate farming and rage baiting and stuff yeah i mean we have experience with that. We sure do. But we've also been obnoxious at times. Primarily.

Yeah. We're mostly known of being obnoxious. That's why we have haters. What do you think of girls like who do the kind of like only fans to Christianity pivot?

I think her name's Nala. She was doing like a Juego face. I do. Yes. Yes. She has like bright. Right. red hair. Yeah. She was like acting like a bimbo on one of those podcasts and now she's like a Christian. I find it interesting. Honestly, like if that's the route that she wants to go and that's what makes her feel

happy, like let her have it. Like I don't think that's in my future. But like that's definitely a thing. Yeah, that pipeline to like the hyper religious stuff. Yeah. And you just are making this like content that's different. but it's still content. I think it's probably derived from shame that they feel as a result of,

like, being a former, like, sex worker. I would think if that was the case, they would stop making content. Does she still make content? Yeah, she makes, like, basically, it's like, it still is pornography. It's just she's, like, wearing a button down shirt. Yeah. Well, it's, like, more dishon- She's still selling herself.

Yeah, it's more dishonest than pornography because it's, like, you're not, you know, using the Lord's name in vain or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Are you religious or spiritual at all? I am religious, yeah. What religion? I'm Christian. I'm not like super Christian or anything, but like I pray to God and everything.

Yeah. Yeah. You mentioned on some show I saw that your father was in a cult. Yeah. So my, um, my mom's side of the family is not religious whatsoever, but my dad's side of the family is super, super religious. Um, and my dad was growing up, they were like in, yeah, like a, like a super. They were in a cult basically like crazy hyper religious.

And so actually when I got into porn, they disowned me for for years. And it's only been actually probably the last year or so that they've like kind of started talking to me a little bit again, but the relationship is still weird and it probably always will be. But you still identify as a Christian. Yeah, yeah. But not any particular kind. No.

just like Christ is the way the truth in the life yeah yeah yeah for sure um it's true who made the first move in terms of like reunifying the family did you reach out or did your dad I mean it's not like the relationship is not mended like I don't talk to them or anything but like last summer I went out and I stopped over at their house they were having like a little like family reuse union. I went and, you know, said hi. And we just don't, they do not, like, we don't talk about what I do or anything like that. So it's not to the point where, like, I'm disowned, like, how I was before, but it's, I don't think the relationship will ever be what it was.

Right. What does disowned mean in, like, contemporary terms? You just don't talk and they don't acknowledge it. They just, yeah, they just don't talk to me whatsoever and, like, tell my dad and, like, I'm really close with my cousin. Like, they tell them how, like, disappointed and you know how what I'm doing is disgusting do you want their family of your own eventually I do yeah yeah sorry I said they're broke so they can't like disinherit you and it doesn't matter right right yeah I'm the one that won't put them on my will exactly you've disown that you really think about yeah yeah yeah Mia Khalifa's another example she didn't do like religious turn but she like now her content is about like how she was exploited by the porn

industry and I see people doing girls the girls do that as well I guess it's all fine if they're getting the bag I think Lana Rhodes is another one too that's pretty outspoken about her experiences in porn I mean do you think I know that obviously there are a lot of bad experiences of course yeah yeah and so that's why i'm not like i know a lot of the girls in the industry like hate on them for speaking out about their bad experiences but i think they had bad experiences like that's their story to tell if that's like their feelings post experiencing those bad you know things like if that's how they feel about it that's how they feel about it like i you know i'm not one of those people that's like but you still got fuck

Like you still made a bunch of money about it. Like if they had a bad experience and like that's the truth and like they, that's how they want to like speak about it. Like that's, you know, that's their right. Well, how do you feel about this narrative that women in porn are like uniquely exploited? Do you buy it entirely or? Like in what sense exploited? Well, I don't know.

It's a very like generic. When like, yeah, when you say bad experience, you mean like, or when someone says that they're talking about a situation which they felt exploited disempowered. No agency. Yeah. They were victims, whatever. And do you think OnlyFans has like empowered women? Um, I think that OnlyFans is a lot safer than traditional porn, like the studio.

Yeah. Rout. Um, because Only fans, like, you're your own boss. You can choose who you want to pay. who you want to work with and you are the one solely making the money. You're not like having to give money to like, you know, like you're not on like you're not getting a paycheck. Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. From someone. Right, right, correct. That's contracted you. So I think it has given a lot of power to back to sex workers in that sense. Honestly, the only bad experience I've ever had in porn was during a professional scene. I've only ever done one professional scene and I had a terrible experience. So, yeah.

Are you allowed to talk about that or? And why did you do a professional scene? So this was right when I moved to L.A. I was like, that's when I blew up. Yeah. And I don't know, just all the big agencies were reaching out to me to work with them. And I just, I don't know. even as soon as I got there, the energy was weird, like the makeup artists, um, were kind of like a little bit

rude to me, like telling me how like bad my skin was, like telling me how like textured my skin was. And it was a girl, girl scene. So it was a girl, girl. Um, so I was just, I was working with a girl and the whole time like, we're doing the photo shoot, like, like, post scene. And the whole time they're like, oh my gosh, you look so good, but like only to the other girl, not to me. and so that like really made me feel strange and then also like I've only ever in my life

gotten one SDD and it was on set. Wow. And yeah. So. And that was a profession. That was the only time I've ever gone SDD. I got gonorrhea. Uh-huh.

And it was, yeah, on a professional set. So I, uh, yeah, I was like, you know what? I feel more comfortable. Damn. I was told they had like stringent medical standards. They do. They do. So you have to show a fresh test.

before you do a scene and a fresh test lasts two weeks. But for STDs, it takes like a week, two weeks for it to even show up in your system. So even though I was shown in a fresh test, I, you know, still. There's still high risk. Yeah. It seems. Yeah. Yeah.

Word. Well, I guess you can't really take all the risks out of porn. Yeah. Yeah, you have. Yeah. But it seems like only. is like a net positive in that regard. Yeah.

Yeah. It just, it felt, it feels safer and just, you know. Or like a net neutral in the sense that a lot of the preexisting, like, emotional and mental health dynamics still apply in that industry because they have to, but it maybe hasn't gotten worse. Like, do you think what traits would you say a person should have to the, you? thrive on only fans are important. What traits should have?

Besides a natural exhibition is like. See, the thing is there's there's thousands of hot girls that do only fans. I think there's thousands of girls that are better than looking than me that do porn, that aren't as successful. I think a lot of it is to do well in this industry now. I think you have to have a person. You can't be afraid to show it. You have to branch out to different platforms.

Like I've always really made it a priority to like get involved with streamers and YouTubers because, you know, then you can be in their videos and you're not having sex, but you get to like show off your personality and, you know, just be a cute girl like in the video. And so doing stuff like that, definitely. Like being extroverted or just putting yourself out there. Yeah. Because there's some girls that they just do porn. That's all they do, which some girls, that's what they prefer. Like, they don't want to put their personality.

They want to keep that private and that's power to them. But like, if you really, really want to blow up, you have to like branch out to other platforms and really like make yourself a human. You know what I mean? Instead of just like someone that's you see getting fucked on camera. Yeah, you have to like, I think, exploit the pariscial dynamic of it. But then you have this ambivalent relationship with fame. but you feel like you had to cultivate it to succeed. Wait, what did you say again?

Do you feel like you had to be famous sort of to be successful? Honestly, that wasn't that the way I viewed it. What I really truly had the most fun doing was working with creators on different platforms, like on YouTube streamers. Like that was the most fun I had. I love doing that stuff. It was so fun. And then doing that would just funnel people to my only fans because they'd be like, oh, who's this like hot girl in this YouTube video?

Who's this hot girl on this like famous streamer that I watch? And they're like, oh, I'm going to go look her up. They look me up. They find my only fans. And they're like, wow, she does porn. Like, let me buy these videos. Let me, like, chat with her. Yeah.

Are you fully natty? I am, yes. Okay. Yeah. Because you're known for your big naturals. I am. Yeah. Would you ever get any work done?

I know. Yeah, I don't even have like, there was one time a couple years ago, like four years ago, I got lip filler and it looked really crazy and I got it dissolved. So that's the most I've done. It's hard to resist. I don't have anything against it. I think I just like, it scares me because, you know, a lot of people like get botched or you start getting work done and it's not enough and you start to like, yeah.

Especially when you're so looking, like looking at your image so much. You can get really, like, trick down. What kind of exercises do you do? I do Pilates. Pilates is my thing. Pilates and hiking. Yeah. I try and get in the gym, but it's just boring to me, honestly.

Like, I live a good Pilates. The best, yeah. Well, you probably, like, live in the best place for that. I feel like if you're in New York, you have to go to the gym. Yeah. There's no way. There's an infrared Pilates studio. Try back up.

I got roped into getting Equinox membership. that like super insanely expensive gym and I think I went for like a few weeks and then I was like I can't do this I need I'm a Pilates girl I have a trainer you do that I work at the gym with and who I worked with at equinox and then I he left equinox and I got a gym in my building so now yeah yeah you cancel me there yeah that's a nice way I wouldn't be able to just go to the gym and be like lift up some right right no I feel I feel I feel stupid when I I'm there. I, when I'm, the issue is I go to the gym and I feel so insecure because I'm like, am I doing

this exercise right? You're probably not. I know. I know I'm not. And it's like, is that person over there staring at me because they think I'm cute or are they staring at me because I'm totally doing this? Terrible. Probably both.

Yeah. Guys always like to walk up to women at the gym to like correct their form, but really because they're cute. Well, it's nice. It's really anti-social for men to go to. Pilates class. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty much frowned upon

even though they're technically allowed to. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great workout. In terms of men, what do you want in like a partner? This is something I've been thinking about a lot lately because I feel like I'm, as soon as I turn 25,

I really feel like my frontal lobe developed. I know everyone says that, but like I really felt the shift. And so once that shift happened, I'm like, I feel like I have to like, actually like get serious about like who my future partner might be and like what traits they might have as far as type goes I don't have a type really like as far as looks every man I've ever been with

they look totally different um I love a good personality someone that like can carry a conversation funny ris you up yes yes yeah I also love like a simp like I love a man that like is like all about me obsessed with me. Also something I've been thinking about recently too is I feel like I need a man that is on somewhat similar of like a like can make like a decent amount of money, you know what I mean? Because a lot of my people I've been with in the past like they, I was like the sugar mama.

And I don't know. I think that just creates a weird power. power imbalance. So I think it would be nice to, you know, be able to go like 50-50 on like a house with a guy. Like if he's able to, you know, do that or like stuff like that. So he can't be like dead broke, but he doesn't have to be like crazy, crazy rich or anything. Right. You get, yeah, it's tough for men out there. Yes, it is. Yeah. It is. Um, okay. So maybe like a guy in the crypto space. Oh, God. No, they're awful. I don't know

I do know I like older men I what do you like older men I do not no the most I can do is like a couple years older than me I think so like why is that I don't know I think I just like am attracted to like men like close to my age like healthy yeah yeah yeah I don't think I probably like a man around like maybe like 30 that could be like a good age for me yeah definitely Yeah.

It's like, are looks a big thing for you? Do you care about fitness or not really? Yeah, he definitely has to be fit just because I value my health a lot. And so he definitely has to be in good shape. I mean, he doesn't have to have like eight pack abs. But as long as he's like taking care of himself and like,

you know, cares about his health and wellness. But, yeah. It seems attainable. Yeah. Yeah, it does. Do you,

do you feel like, since making a ton of money in the industry that you've been able to kind of get over your social anxiety and make friends and that sort of thing, do you have a lot of friends? Are you friends with other women in the industry? Yeah, I definitely do have a few friends in the industry. Overall, I still really only have like a few like solid friends and a lot of my friends are like my hometown friends like those are like my best friends like which sucks because I mean my one of my hometown friends she like lives with me um but like a lot of my best best friends are still like back in my hometown I haven't really made any like super solid girl friendships living in L.A. Um I definitely I have like a few

guy friends that I've made but still my my my circle is very small. And I don't think I want to have a large circle. I don't know. When you have a lot of friends, so much drama comes with it and I don't like that. It gives me anxiety. Yeah. That's true. But do you feel like you've been able to get over the social anxiety a little bit?

Or are you still like in your head a lot of the time? I think I still have really bad social anxiety. I think I'm just better at faking that I don't. You know what I mean? Like I'm now able to put myself in a situation and act like I'm, you know, my anxiety isn't as bad, but it's still definitely there, for sure. Are you still on anti-anx medication? I mean, I take like a Xanax as needed.

Yeah. That's it. Yeah, yeah. Same. I've tried a bunch of different anti-anxiety meds. They just don't work for me. They make me, like, honestly, worse. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you think porn addiction is real? Definitely, yeah. Okay. For sure. I'm on the fence about this, which is why I ask. For why? I think it's like a proxy for other things like depression or anxiety.

Oh, that, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I don't think anybody is actually addicted to pornography as such. Like they might be to like drugs or alcohol, but I'm not like, I don't really have like a theory figured out. It's just like a speculative thing. And I think as Dasha pointed out, um, that it's different. for people of different generations. Right.

For Zoomers, it is more real than it is for millennials maybe because they are like digital natives. Right. Right. And they like don't really know anything outside of the internet. Yeah. I mean, I think like, like, I've known guys that are like jerking off like 10 times a day. Like I feel like that might be a little like a bit of a problem.

Like if it starts to affect your day to day life, that's probably an issue. Yeah. But it definitely could be. be a symptom of like something bigger like you said like depression or something but in that way it still exists yeah even out you know alcoholism yeah is a symptom of something yeah yeah yeah like it does it make the symptoms any less real yeah and there's definitely something to gooning that is its own kind of thing I mean I identify as a recovering pornography addict so you think it's it's a real thing yeah but it like I was really depressed okay also

But I also, like, couldn't go a day without watching porn. Okay. Yeah. And couldn't get off without watching porn, basically. Yeah. And that, like, seems unhealthy. Like, you couldn't have sex normally. No, I could have sex, but I couldn't, like, I wasn't going to, like, masturbate.

I'm, like, not watching porn out. But I was, like, compulsively masturbating. So I was watching porn all the time. Yeah. But I guess if you say, like, oh, this is symptomatic of like depression or anxiety. Then you can say, well, then the depression and anxiety is symptomatic of something else, deeper or whatever, like, fasting dolls.

But it's, when I was like 24, I realized I'd been watching porn since I was 14 and basically like 10 years had gone by that I haven't gone a day without it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You know. But I didn't have to like go into recovery. Yeah.

I just had to like improve my life and my relationship with God. And so, like spiritual malady. Right. I overcame. Yeah. And I'm okay now. But I can see how people could totally, yeah, like, goon. If you, well, I guess my next question is, like, what advice do you have for, like, other enterprising young women who might be thinking of going into your line of work?

Would you recommend it? I would say, okay, well, I think it depends on what level they want to take it to. When I was doing it working at Target just for fun, it was nice making a little extra money. I think that is fine. You would recommend that. Yeah. As long as they're comfortable with it. But my overall thing is though, don't do it if it's purely money motivated,

especially if it's porn. If you're doing only fans and not doing like, not doing like, the porn side of it and you're doing just like the risque stuff. I think, you know, that's like not as bad. But like once you start to like do porn and stuff, I think that's something that you should really think about because it will affect the rest of your life. It absolutely will no matter what anyone wants to say about it. Like it will affect the rest of your life.

So, you know, only get into it if you want to make porn. Yeah, if you want to give me. And if you're passionate about it. I don't think you should get into it. just purely for the money. I think you should have a passion for porn and, you know, making that type of content because otherwise you're going to fucking hate it. And you're going to end up being one of the people that then like, you know, come out,

like, and just like absolutely hate it and like regret it and like all that. Yeah. Yeah. If you do what you love, you won't work it in. Yeah. Yeah. So no. Yeah.

If you're going to get into it, like make sure it's something that you actually, you know, love and you're and you're passionate for making that type of content and also, you know, make sure you weigh all the risks. And if those are risks that you're willing to take and, you know, get into it. But definitely think about it. Do you have any regrets? I don't have any regrets no. Cool. Good answer. Do you think, I think it's very wise to advise people not to get into it for like economic purposes, but do you think if you had come from money, you would have done something else? I know it's the hardest because everything about you would be different and your whole life would be different. But if you had more of like a safety net. I think I would have done maybe

something similar. Like I love, I love looking back on all my content and I love like I love myself nude. So yeah, like I love it. I wouldn't. I think if I came for money, like I still would be doing something that's pushing the line, like something like sexual in some sort of way. But you never like when you were younger, you never, or like before you started OnlyFans, you didn't want to be like a porn star. No. I think if you asked me when I was younger, like that would probably be the last thing I would have ever imagined myself doing. What would you, what did you want to be when you were younger? When I was younger, I think I wanted to be an interior designer. Nice. Um, yeah, that was my main thing. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. You could probably do that now. Yeah, I probably could. I actually would love to go back

to college. Well, not back. I didn't go to college, but I would like to go to college. Yeah. You could. Yeah. You could, I think that could be something that's, I could see myself doing that. maybe in a few years. Do you watch porn? I go through phases sometimes. I haven't in a while, but sometimes I will. Do you have any favorite performers? I don't have any favorite performers.

I would not watch any porn that I, like, of someone I've worked with. Because for some reason, like, I don't know. It, like, takes away, like, the fantasy of it. Like, it kind of makes it seem, like, fake. Like, if I've worked with you before, like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I had that experience because I did also Akira's podcast a couple of years back through Andrew. And like I've seen her porn and I watched some of it leading up to it.

But it was weird to encounter a person who's like pornographic work you're familiar with who's like just like a totally nice and normal person. You want the like level of abstraction. Yes. Yeah. To be able to object. I also like I prefer amateur stuff. Like I don't want to watch porn of someone that I know or like is a famous porn star to be honest. Like I like very amateur.

Like that's like just like a random like girl or something. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Here's like kind of a stupid question, but one that I've wondered about a lot. How do you suspend disbelief when you're doing a scene and you're not really attracted to the person, but you have to do it? For me, it was always, I loved mid-scene knowing that. it's going to make my fans, like, turned on and they're going to think it's hot.

Like, that's what, like, got me off. Like, knowing that after we're done shooting this, I'm then going to be able to push this out to my fans, and they're going to love it, and they're going to jerk off to it. And, like, they're going to think it's so hot. Like, other people watching my porn, like, that's what makes me, like, feel good. You're performing for your fans. You're not performing for the person you're having sex with that. And what percentage of, like, um, co-stars would you say?

say like you were attracted to versus not? I would say maybe like 50-50. Yeah. How do you make a decision like that? Because like we said, one of the nice things with Onlyfans is that you do have the agency to decide who to work with. You're not just like paired up by some like a producer.

Yeah. How do you having the agency to make those decisions make them? Like what is your criteria for? Well, honestly, I really really. just worked with whoever was like big like because my my fans would request for me to work with people so that's really who I would work with. I wasn't really cherry picking people because like oh I think he's hot like I really wanted to work with like who my fans wanted to see me work with. But yeah I'd say like I was truly attracted to about like 50% of them. They were all great like great

guys and everything but just like I don't know for me it's like when I'm with a guy like it's either just right off the bat like the energy and the way they talk to me, that's what decides if, you know, I'm attracted to them or not. How would you describe your fans? My fans? Yeah. Um, is there something about your fans that makes them distinct? I would say, I have a bit, like, I definitely have like a cult following. Like, they love me. I, I do a lot of other things. Like, I, like, I do, I live stream, like, on Twitch and stuff and even just the fact that they're willing to like follow me over to that platform and watch me talk about god knows what for eight hours like just the fact that they're you know and

I'll have like a sweatshirt on and my hair up in a bun and just the fact that they're willing to like you know listen to me talk about anything like not sexual like you know yeah I think that they really enjoy me as a person not just like this like sex pot you know girl like I think think they see me as like a girl next door like that's always that's why I think I'm successful. I think that I seem just like a girl next door and they and they like that. Do you have a lot of female fans? I don't know if I would say I have a lot of female fans, but I definitely do have a lot of, I definitely do have female fans for sure. I get actually a lot of DMs from girls saying like you're my favorite performer.

like I think you're so hot like you inspired me to start only fans like I have a lot of that yeah do you get like recognized on the street I do at all the time yeah a lot of places we if I go to anywhere like really public I have to do security it gets like if we go out to like a club or like a bar or something definitely have to have security or yeah yeah that's crazy even like we were in we were traveling Italy for a while recently and like even there like I have people come up and ask for pictures and stuff. It's all over the world. It's crazy. Do you comply? recently since I so I took a break off of social media for a while and since then I've I have been saying no to pictures a little bit more just because I'm trying to feel normal again and a lot of times like if I'm just going about like my daily and going to the places I normally go to I don't really want to like be taking pictures at like my grocery store or my coffee. shop that I'm visiting every single day, you know what I mean? But if I'm going out, I kind of know,

like, okay, people are going to ask me for pictures. Like, I'm going out. Like, I expect it. So I'm very welcoming of it. But if it's just like me trying to run errands and going about my day, I will say no to pictures usually. I got asked for a photo once from a fan when I was like crying. I was like having a bad day. That happened to me one time. Oh my gosh. I don't remember. Do you say no? Yeah, I said I'm sorry. I gave her my autograph. made a horrible mistake. Some guy at my gym asked for a photo

and then it was like unflattering and they posted it on the subreddit. Isn't that the worst? Oh my God. People will take pictures, like ask me for a picture and then like 20 minutes later they'll post it like on their Instagram story

and tag me and I'm like I look disgusting. Now. Please take that down. I'm suing you to the ground. I'm going to get your Instagram deleted. Just kidding. This is lieball. Yeah.

Oh, another thing I wanted to ask you about on that note, because I watched a clip of you talking about a bad experience you had like on a music video shoot where a guy like pulled his dick out and tried to get you to like. I will like I will talk about this story so openly. His name is shy glizzy. He, do you know the song in love with a white girl? She's soft as powder. Oh my God. This is like what year did that song come out? I don't know.

Do you know when that song came out really? Like 2014. or something, that is a massive, massive song. Like, it's, it's so viral. So, but he never did a music video for it. Right. So a few years later, or a few years ago, he reached out to me to be in the music video for it.

And I'm like, this is such a fucking huge song. Like, this was like the song played at parties and stuff. So I was like, of course, like, I'll do it. And I asked to be paid for it just for the principal. Like, if I'm going to be there all day. You're working. Yeah, yeah. And so I don't remember what exactly I asked him for.

It wasn't even anything crazy. I think I asked for like maybe like 7K or something like that. And he was like, like come on like don't bust my balls like like 3K. And I'm like okay like because I was mostly doing it just for promo to be in this like huge song, this music video. And yeah, we were there and it was towards like the end of the shoot. he had like all of his friends kind of just like there because he's like a rapper guy like you know how like rappers have like the like posse the entourage yeah the entourage yeah that they bring and they all kind of like kind of like cornered me a little bit like in the like kitchen and we're like trying to get me to like take this pill and I was like I was in Joshua Tree the morning of how to drive like four hours to LA like I'm exhausted I want to go home and sleep he was just being so annoying about it so I was like fine like I'll take this fucking pill and I'll take this fucking pill. I know how insane that No no I guess I was young

Like now that I'm more mature I never would have fucking done that ever But I don't even know what it was I think it was like Molly or something And I started to feel so fucking weird Like just because I don't like do like drugs like that Like I just started to feel so strange And

It was towards the end of the shoot We shot like then the last scene And then we were kind of wrapping up I'm feeling like really weird And I had my own room like my own like changing room or whatever and he comes in and he like grabs me and kind of like pulls me to the bed and he pulls out his dick and he's like suck it and I say no like like keep in mind I'm in this like kind of like slightly altered state I'm like like and I'm like no and he's like if

you don't suck it you're not getting paid and I said then I'm not getting paid and so I immediately then grabbed my stuff. I went downstairs. I grabbed the like who was producing the music video and everything and he was like yeah that's not cool like let's get her out of here right now. So they everyone like all the people there like helping assist like with the music video took me out to the car. They got me off like set right away and everything. Did you get paid? No. No. But like fuck him. The craziest thing about that story. I was like trying to do the math and I was like wait a second. It took him like 10 years like a decade to make a music video from a song. Right.

Right. Like crazy. Yeah. It's insane. Yeah. There's, I mean, yeah, that was fucked up. And the saddest part about it though is I'm fortunate enough where I didn't need that money. Like, but I think about other girls that could have been in that situation that they would have,

you know, that maybe they needed that money. Definitely. That then would have like had to have done that. because they needed the money and I and that's that is why honestly why I even shared the story because I think that is the most fucked up or like the decision even well here's a question for you do you think consider yourself to be a people pleaser I definitely am yeah I have a hard time like saying no I'm very non-confrontational like if someone yeah does something bad to me yeah I definitely am I definitely and now it's been a few years I think I would like to think I'm a little you know it's something yeah

It takes a long time to figure this out, but actually people respect you more if you just say no up front. Yeah. And that was only like a year of me living in L.A. Like I was still like, I didn't, I didn't have the confidence that I do now to say no to things that I'm comfortable with. And, but yeah. Well, yeah, the reason I bring all this up is because you mentioned at the time that you were not a fan of like, quote, cancel culture. Yeah, like you didn't wage a campaign against this. No, I spoke about him on a podcast and that was, that was it. Like, I didn't talk about it after that or anything. And I think I actually got a lot, a lot of hate for it. Right. People saying I'm lying and saying things like, you know, you're a porn star.

Like, like, duh, he's going to expect you to do that. And so that, that honestly really did hurt me, like really, really badly. Like, that was probably honestly one of the worst things that's happened to me like is the backlash you know the backlash from that because it wasn't I didn't want it to be this whole me trying to cancel him I really did speak up about it because it was like not okay and and that's something that happens a lot in like that type of industry yeah so I just wanted to I guess like bring awareness to it in a way and you know and and and say that he was that kind of person so hopefully no other girl ever works with him again or whatever but it turned there was a big turning we weren't

like demanding he be dropped from his legal or like trying to ruin his career. You were just like speaking honestly. But then proceed at your own discretion. But I was surprised at like because ordinarily I'm not really a fan of people like speaking out about traumatic experiences because usually like they want something for themselves and they're not really the victim that they make themselves out to be.

But I was like surprised like I thought that you handled it in a very like classy and like forthright way. Like how do you feel about like what is the proper protocol for? dealing with that kind of stuff. Because you don't want to stay silent. But on the other hand, you don't want to run anybody off the road. Or like make yourself into some victim and then have that be like your identity. Well, honestly, that's the only time that I've ever like called someone out on something like

that. Yeah. I really, I don't know what the proper protocol is nowadays because it's. Like a lot of times when girls do speak out about experiences like that, like, it's a lot of people, especially with like how like online culture is now. Like everyone's like, she's lying and stuff like that. So it's like I don't know the proper way to go about it because I remember how hurt I was like reading the hate online. Do you regret speaking about it?

I don't. Or knowing that how much hate you would get would you. So once I start, after I spoke out about it. I started receiving a lot of hate, I did regret it. I felt like maybe I should have just kept this to myself, whatever, but actually everything changed because he went on academics. You know who that is? He's like a big like hip hop media like person. He has, I did a podcast with him and he asked him. Like so this model only Sky Bree like called you out for whatever his you could tell he was lying about it so bad his whole demeanor and his like the way he was sitting changed all of the comments were like he

did that you can tell that he did that you can tell this man is lying so everything shifted because he just his body language just totally like this man what he he did that to her like everyone suddenly believed me so then it was a total like flip then everyone was on my side which that was definitely that must have felt really good that that did yeah yeah it did but yeah it did but know it's still like it's a shitty situation no it sucks to tell the truth and people feel punished yeah yeah it definitely though it's like after that it's like it fuck though like what if something else would happen like do i just say silent because it's like the hate was i understand now why people do like you know stay silent because the hate was bad like everyone calling me a liar yeah you have

to have like a whole you have to kind of be like cynical and already have the PR in place to like frame it in a way that like but that's I think that's the worst feeling like they can call you pretty much anything like ugly retarded whatever but when they call you a liar right right exactly yeah like call me yeah call me ugly say my forehead is huge say whatever you want to say to me but like I was not lying so it hurt really bad for people to say I was lying especially about something so serious like yeah I would that's just ridiculous. Or that you would be the kind of person who would lie about something like that. Especially also like not to be rude, but like he's like a one hit wonder.

Like why would I make a lie about a man that had a song come out like 14 years ago? Like that doesn't even make sense. Well, I'm glad you were vindicated. Yeah. That's fine. Yeah, we can wrap it up. I guess, yeah, I want to ask you like what? you do well for fun but also for health and beauty.

Okay. Besides Pilates, like what do you do to be healthy? You mentioned you're trying to feel normal. Yes. Yeah. Honestly, yeah,

prioritizing, like just doing things that make my body feel good. Like Pilates and hiking is a big one for me. I stopped drinking as much. I used to drink all the time. Like I would go out all the time and drink can take it too far. I barely drink now and that has been a game changer for me because the hangovers I would get would like send me into a spiral for like days and days afterwards. So definitely

cutting out alcohol has been a big one for me. Everybody says. No, no. I mean, I wish I was one of those people that like could enjoy drinking and like going out. But just the hangovers I get are so wicked. Like it has me contemplating life. And also taking a step back from social media was like like saved me. Like that was that was really big. I'm trying to ease myself back into it. But just out a way, at a pace that I feel comfortable with. I also went to a mental health wellness retreat for 30 days.

Wow. In Tennessee. They take away your phone? They did. Yes. Did you put it in a bowl? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It was a really, really, it was a great experience, though. It was the best thing I ever did. What was it the structure of it like? Like, what was the therapeutic? Um, was it silent or? So it was basically, I was recommended to it by actually like another, um, pretty big, like social media person, uh, because he had went prior. And, um, it's basically it's like this really big, beautiful house. Um, everyone there has like your own private, rooms and then like the day to day schedule is you have like group therapy and then you have like individual therapy and then like a smaller group therapy you do a lot of it's it's beautiful it's

like in the woods so you do a lot of connecting with nature um but that was like that was amazing for me to dedicate 30 days to just working all my mental health like that and therapy every day and no phone yes yeah how did it work if um you needed to get in touch with someone or somebody needed to get in touch with you. So you were able to, they had like, like house phones that you were able to use between the times, like six to nine. And you can only make like 15 minute calls. So I would just like call like, I don't know, like a friend or my mom. And how many people were there? There were like 20 other people. Okay. Yeah. That sounds nice. Yeah, it was great. Why do you think social media was so bad for you? Um, I think, I think, I, I,

I've noticed the trend is with all creators, like even like, you know, the TikTokers, YouTubers, even like OnlyFans girls, like people like me. I think the trend now is you're so loved at first, but then eventually people will turn on you and want to bring you down. And I'm the, maybe the most sensitive person ever. Like hate really, really gets to me. And I think I kind of just, it started to like, I would get a lot of hate and it really started to get to me and affect my mental. And so I, it was actually my friends that were like, you need help.

Like, you're obsessing too much over this hate. Like, you need to go away for a little bit. So that was great. An amazing detox. I recommend it to anyone. Like, if they're able to. You want to plug it? I don't want to say the location.

But like something like that. Yeah. Yeah. So like yeah, just any, if anyone, if you have access to any mental health care, like even seeing a therapist or anything like that, I, doing that changed my life. It's good counsel. Oh, yeah. Do you have any other questions?

Oh, one of my questions actually is what do you think drives people to hate? I think just like entertainment. I think they think it's like funny. And they just don't care that there's another, like a human being. Like, you know. It doesn't occur to them that you are. Yeah. That might be sensitive because they, you're like an avatar and you're rich and

famous. So they think that you're a piece of shit probably and don't feel the same emotions. I don't know the exact reason. But I think hate is at an all time high on social media. Like do you guys, are you guys aware of all the Reddits? Yeah. Like the, we have a subreddit for our podcast. You do.

That has like hundreds of thousands of members and they all hate us. Really? Yes. It's like a snark sub. Yes, of course. Oh, I, I browse the snarks. We're very aware. I'm not going to lie.

We're very aware. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's stuff like that that it's created these like communities of people that they can all band together and, you know, pick people apart. And I don't know what it is. I think, I don't know, there's other, there's a lot of creators touching on this recently that hate is at an all time high and I don't know what exactly it is, but, you know, even I browse

those Reddit sometimes, I never post, but like sometimes I'll browse them and like, for sure. Yeah, it's, yeah. Yeah, honestly what helped me was like not ever looking at that shit, not reading the comments. So you're, you don't go on it at all anymore? Yeah, I used to post on there because I'm like, I'm one of the people. I just want to get to know my fans and like, not unhealthy. and it will, like, ruin your mood and crush your spirit. It will, yeah.

Yeah, you have to stay away from that stuff. That's been, definitely, I don't read comments anymore. I just can't. You have to protect your peace, especially being in this creator space. Like, the hate just comes with it. Yeah. So true. Okay, well, thanks so much for, thank you, Sky.

Thank you for having me. This was fun.