Red Scare - OpenAIGP

Episode Date: April 8, 2026

The ladies discuss Trump's civilizational shittest, Kristi Noem's crossdressing husband, the rise of AI veg slop, and Ronan Farrow's Sam Altman takedown.

Let's do the damn thing. Let's do the fucking show. We're back. We're back. We were going to pot yesterday. I'm really glad we didn't. You were right. Yeah, it would have been really bad if we were like up in here talking about

Christy Gnome's, husband's, sissy hypnote. rubber, humongous fake Cassie Pritchard tits while we're on like a brink of a nuclear war and we're like new episode out about

Kristino, remember from a week ago? I kind of figure Trump wouldn't nuke Iran and I'm happy that he didn't look at me pronouncing Iran correctly but it would have been funny if he did and then we published an episode like two or three days late that was like how about those weird

Tranny honkers. That guy's an autogyneophile and a narcissist. They've done it again. I'm going to try to do this episode without saying the N-word. I don't mean the racist N-word. I mean the psychological N-word because the Sam Altman stuff is so like covert N versus grandiose. It's like that dynamic all over again. The real N-word. But I'm going to try to desist. And yeah, and then I said, let's hold off and read the Sam Altman thing because it's pretty long. Yeah. And the docket's pretty scampy, much like the small spandex shorts that Christine Ome's husband likes to wear.

I mean, that really was a good news item. It was. I like any news item that, like, pulls people out of the Iran discourse. We're right back in today. Yeah. I really, I can't. It does. I like was crying today.

Why? Because you were worried that there was a 10% chance that he might pull trig? Yeah. Just the, like, since the war started, basically, it's given me, like, this, I feel very destabilized. And obviously, there's other things contributing. And it's like a displace, you know. We're fighting. Admit it. Me and Anna are fighting. It's like when my dad gets upset about the stock market, but he's like mad already. You know, he's like, so he like watches the stocks to like agitate himself and like prove that he's upset. But no, I was like it was. I was like just like the civil, a civilization will die. I was like, oh. Just it's so the, it's, what did he mean by that? The dread. He didn't name the country. Interesting. Yeah.

I didn't think he would do it. No, I knew it was bluster, but it's still, it's like just the dread of like the on-go, the conflict and the holy war aspect of it. Mm-hmm. Is causing people's like, I don't know, I feel like it's making everyone like men more mentally ill. Yeah, I mean, obviously, like, maybe it's like trite or condescending to point out. but I say it as like a person who includes herself in the dynamic. Just like obviously this is the first big total social media war. So everything that you're hearing and seeing plays into people's existing like neuroses and anxieties.

And I was thinking about that with like the footage of the human chains that were supposed to. happening all over around today, the human centipedes of these people who were like linking hands and showing up at like bridges and power plants and being like, we're going to like die for the nation. And like half the people online were calling them cowards and the other half we're calling them brave. And I'm just like such a skeptic now. I don't trust or believe anything I see on Twitter because my first automatic question is like

is this AI who are these people who are they being paid by if they are indeed civilians then from their point of view and their context it is obviously

a courageous gesture because they're unironic and faithful and believe in something beyond themselves and they have just a different frame. Yeah. You know. We gotta get that straight. We gotta need the straight

of her moves. We need it open. Which again, as the anti-war people correctly point out, was already open before Trump launched this offensive. It's crazy to start a war and then Sam, we're going to nuke you if you don't open the straight. That you closed because we start bombing you. And like I had a sincere non-ritorical question, which was when he was talking about like total civilizational annihilation. Yeah. Okay.

It's like, yeah, like, no, you don't get it. He's obviously doing art of the deal. Like, sure. But also, like, yeah, maybe people see that as a bridge too far. It's not civil. It's not civilized. But also like my sense of it was that he was throwing. the rhetoric of the Iranians back at them because Iran is literally known for issuing clownishly

grandiose civilizational threats and not following up on them. And of course there's like a power imbalance where like the United States can easily obliterate them but they can't obliterate us. That's the difference. And it's, you know, that's their culture. And now they're intense like that. And like we, in the West, we, you know, what's nice is we're a little more restrained. We're postmodern and irony poisoned. It just doesn't. And I'm just too, like, I'm fragile. I'm in a fragile state.

I've been largely staying out of it because, like, I can't as one person on the internet get to the bottom of what's going on. and I keep reading these conflicting takes. You're not monitoring this. I'm not monitoring the situation. Me neither, really. I don't think it's really worth it. It's just going to stress you out. It's not going to really change anything meaningfully in my life

except spiking my cortisol, making me less beautiful. I'm going back to psychoanalysis. I'm getting back on the couch. You're converting to Judaism. They got to you, didn't they? They did. I got to go lie down on the couch and meet with some rabbis and say, I'm sorry for some things. This will be great for you. You can, like, anti-Semitically abuse some, like, 38-year-old shrink who has transference for you and maybe get some transference back.

That could be. I mean, I'm feeling optimistic about this new journey. I'll be undertaking. She's going on the Adam Friedland show, you guys. My analyst, Adam Friedland. But, well, yeah, and then the time, the, like, by 8 p.m. Yeah. Also, like, it's like, oh, like, all day, I was like, oh, like, four more hours. I know, like, counting, like, watching the Israeli countdown clock. I hate that, you know.

That, that specific thing, yeah. Just the brinkmanship, though, and the countdown and the, you know. Yeah. It gives me anxiety. And I already have anxiety. I'm like, yeah, obviously, like, Iran and the U.S. are, like, playing a game of chicken. And now there's, like, news that there's this 10-point plan. But those are already...

And either the Iranians are conceding or the U.S. is conceding. It's unclear depending on where you stand. If you're, like, a panicking or a plan trester. We don't need to get into it. It's above our pay grade, honestly. Mm-hmm. I've just been bipolarly liking all sorts of different tweets from all sorts of different people. My likes are like the Gaza Strip right now, just all these chaotic energies flying at each other.

Yeah, I'm per usual. I'm rocking with Glenn, you know. Oh yeah, he had like a pretty dee's post today that I read it. you know what really annoys me? So I finally upgraded my computer and my phone. Oh, congrats. Speaking of AI. Yeah. It took me like a week or a week and a half between when I got, when I picked the items up at the Apple store and when I actually set them up. You got a new phone too? Mm-hmm. Hell yeah. Yeah. Nice girl. But cameras mid. Fake news. Yeah? Yeah. Better than the old one or? I mean, sure, but like marginally. Yeah. It's like nothing to write home about.

I'm not that impressed. My phone's always all oily, so the little pictures are like shit in the way. Same. But the thing is like the new phone and computer are like armed with all these spiffy new AI technologies that are even more horrible and oppressive than like being on like email lists. Yeah. And you like, I guess you can opt out of them, but I haven't figured out how. And so whenever I get like a text message. or an email, the AI will compile a summary of what's in it.

Yeah. Which is like crazy making. Who wants that? I know. That's not, that doesn't seem optimized. Yeah. It seems worse. What kind of laptop should you get?

Just like the basic air. Air model, yeah. Yeah. I think like the same one that you have. Yeah. I mean. when all these people talk about how they have these like AI agents like starting businesses and stuff for them. I'm like, what?

Yeah. I'm like, I can't even, I can't even use air drop. Like, I'm not going to make it. You're like clink your phone against somebody's like you're cheering. I dread getting a new phone. What's your phone? It's like mad old, yeah. But it's working fine.

It's whatever. my chesty lows up so that's good so depressed okay so Christy Noam her husband Byron is a cross-dresser yeah and he likes to wear big

do you think it's like a classic old school do you think it's like an Anthony Weiner humiliation fetish thing where he like Oh, like, you know, it's the best nut of his life that these are leaked. Right? Yeah. Everyone's happy. And she's been having an affair, allegedly. Yeah, she's been fucking Corey Lewandowski.

So she gets to get dick down by some other guy and feel like a victim. And she got, she lost her job. And she lost her job so she gets to feel even more like a victim. Pam Bondi also lost her job. Sometimes I'll see like, you know, like various takes and memes floating across the TL and I, you know, they get a chuckle out of me a little lull. And then everybody just like copy paste them and they become so like tired. And I get like irritated and feel like a bowl and a china shop. Like they were calling it the like night of long knives for magabimbos or whatever.

And then the other take on this that I saw that was initially funny, but really like got played out really quickly was that between her shooting her dog and him having big fake rubber tits. This was like a John Waters movie. Yeah, that's true. How is she, I like was kind of skimming her Wikipedia trying to figure out what the secretary of Homeland Security even really does. and I guess she's been in politics for a long time and I know it's like a longevity game but how is she qualified? How'd she even get this job in the first place? She was governor of Montana

when she shot her dog. Oh yeah, maybe. Yeah, those like Fargo states, yeah. She shot her dog. Yeah. Because it like wasn't hunting the pheasants properly or something. Yeah, it was like... It wasn't even like rabid.

Poorly behaved. Yeah. So she dug a ditch in her backyard and was like, kids gather around. That's crazy. I'm going to show you what a real red-blooded maga-female looks like. But how is she, like, she's clearly not good at her, wasn't good at her job. Yeah, probably not. So she was like the DHS secretary.

Yeah. So she was like liaising with like ICE and local authorities to deport people. I was wondering what the nature of this leak was and why it happened when it did. Like, you know, some people were surmising that this was insult to injury to the MAGA movement, which is like, and to Trump because the MAGA is, you know, supposedly dead and Trump's approval rating is in the gutter. but I wouldn't be surprised also if she leaked this info herself. Something, something in the milk ain't clean. This is from the post.

A family member previously told the post that Byron has stuck by his wife with the cheating allegations because he believes it was, quote, his calling from God to support her and whatever she decided to do by her. Brian. I think his name is Brian, but it's spelled funny. Okay, his family member added, so he has put up with the humiliation. We will see if he sticks with her now. I think it's him honoring the calling from God. The family member continued, but it seems like there would be some limit to that. The Daily Mail cited hundreds of messages, Brian allegedly exchanged with members of the bimbobification fetish scene. In the alleged conversations, Nome's husband enthusiastically praised their heavily augmented appearances and proclaimed he coveted huge, huge ridiculous boobs according to the male. He traded the selfies with one woman he pledged to worship like a quote goddess telling her you turn me into a girl

before asking if he should put on leggings. So Monica has the opportunity to do the funniest thing right now. I guess the idea is that whoever leak this did it to kick Maga while they were down because she was like overseeing mass deportations and doing a not so great job, blah, blah, blah. I didn't see anybody being that offended. I mean, it was mostly like fake outrage. I guess the leftists were doing a victory lap and having a gotcha moment, as they should, frankly. I guess.

I mean, it's a mute. We can all enjoy. Yeah. Conservatards were really outraged as they tend to be. Everyone was calling him like a faggot and a freak. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have to be like an annoying clarifier and go Michael Tracy mode and say that he's clearly not getting. Because everybody was doing the whole, like, oh, Republican women, don't marry a gay guy challenge.

Right. But, like, he's not gay. And it's not even really clear what his politics are. Yeah, and he's not even a tranny. No. He's just a good old-fashioned cross-dresser. He's sissified. He's got a fetish.

And they're kink-shaming him. And she definitely knows. Yeah. Like, I don't think this was. a secret in their marriage. They must have the happiest marriage ever. It must be working for them, yeah. Because he's like, oh, you humiliate me, I'll humiliate you back.

And get a little more humiliation for myself, which I like anyway. I'm going to come up with my big goofy tits on. I can even see how, like, a guy can strap on a pair of big rubber, succulent like Spencer's gifts, chicken tits and like whip himself into an erotic frenzy. Yeah. Yeah, I could understand that. People were likening him to Biden's health czar, Rachel Levine. But I don't think that's exactly an apt comparison.

No, this is, like that was sort of not intentionally grotesque and this clearly is. They're very different. It's not like an identity thing. Yeah. It's clearly just like a sexual fetish. So in that way it's more honest. Yeah. He's living his truth. But yeah, people up to say, yeah, that like Republicans are homophobic because they're all secretly gay. But as you pointed out, yeah, this is. not someone else. He's not even a gun, auto, I know,

he's not. He's like a secret third thing. You don't, Lindy, man, you don't see that much anymore. I know. I know.

We don't really have, we have, you know. They're going extinct like lesbians. It's true. And, yeah, people really conflate,

like, trans people with drag queens now. And this isn't even that. Uh-huh. It's unique. Yeah, he seems... And I support him. Like a pretty masculine man otherwise. I support him too.

I stand with Brian. Nome. Even Eli, who's usually like pretty unironic and conservative, was like, yo, this guy rules. It's funny. I have his back. Like all the photos of it, like the expression. on his face, in his weird, like, suburban home. Yeah.

Dead-eyed, big huge tits. The stupid meme that's like a photo of him with the tits taking a mirror selfie and there's like a golden retriever in the back and it's not even the fucking dog that she shot, but everybody's like, the dog had to go because he knew too much. It's really got it all. God bless these people for giving us like a reprieve from the discourse and moment of comic relief. I mean, that's really all I got. Yeah, I mean, I guess they have this, like, love triangle with who's, and who's Corey Lewandowski? I think I recall that he's, um, Trump's former disgraced

campaign manager, I want to say. And he's just in the mix. Yeah. And she got fired because she's been, like, misappropriating funds. Who knows? And causing scam. And why did Pam Bondi get fired? I haven't really looked into that either. I hate to say. Like I said, I'm really not monitoring the situation much these days. You're watching the AI fruit videos, though? Do you get those?

What's your, do you go on reels? Never. Never. And you're not on TikTok. And I'm not on TikTok, and I still watch videos with the sound off. So I don't really know what's going on. So you don't do like the true doom scroll. No.

I'm too sensitive for that. You're protecting yourself from the slot. Well, I do, I have seen those fruit videos around like on Instagram and Twitter after they've been like clipped, right, for like reaction. And it reminded me of this earlier phenomenon. from maybe two or three years ago that you saw a lot on social media, which were like these links to games that you can play that featured humanoid cartoons locked in harrowing, like cheating and family scenarios where it was like a girl wearing yoga pants farting

and you could see like the scent cloud or like, a girl who was trying to steal a guy from his girlfriend, and you, like, pushed a button or pulled a lever, and it was like a casino slot game, yeah. And you would, like, click on razor. Well, you didn't click on anything. It was just demonstrated for you. Yeah. And, you know, you would gamble, essentially to give her, like, a makeover or a glow up, but she would just, like, get hairy legs and have her head, shaved. I know what you're talking about. And I remember at the time being like, what? Like, ew, what is this? Like a new low in like online degeneracy. It's gotten worse, but a lot of similar motifs. Yeah, farting is a lot of scatological stuff. Infidelity,

cuckoldry are all big themes. Originally it was cats. It was like anthropomorphic cats playing out these dramas. That was like the first iteration that I saw on Instagram. And then the fruits just really caught on. Because I guess you can just generate those. Yeah. And they like tap into people's like primal emotions and anxiety. People jack off to them. Indian people probably. Yeah. Like they were jacking off to like the sexy white stocking green Eminem. Exactly. Yeah. Like she walked to. the fruits could run. And some of those fruits, yeah, they have like nice fat tits and stuff. This is like the time that I fell for the AIs of like Down syndrome honeies working out at the gym. I remember that. Yeah. I mean, everyone knows the fruits are fake. What, wait, what? But they are. There's, uh, it does like. It is hard to look away. Yeah, I went from being jealous of fake Down syndrome chicks and yoga pants to being jealous of like fake fruit chicks with big Brian Gnome titty.

Strawberryna. Thinking of converting to Islam. Yeah, I read those articles that you sent me about. Oh, the like explainers. Because I kind of figured you weren't really watching them. Yeah, I guess the New York Times and intelligence are both reported on this disturbing new trend of, like, AI veg slop. It's a raunchy nonsensical genre of TikTok soaps starring anthropomorphic Pixar-inspired fruits and vegetables. And they're like cheating on each other and giving birth to like interspecies, spawn and other more emotionally harrowing scenarios like family separation.

There's a lot of domestic abuse. There's like a secondary kind of like slop economy of being like, we had to talk about why the fruit videos are problematic. And they play on racial tropes. Yeah. Because the fruits are stand-ins for minorities. Yeah. And an average day in their life. Yeah. Or like the whole thing of having a baby and it's different visibly. There's the homophobic Clementine that kicks his gay, Clemonte. 17 son out of the house when he catches him experimenting with a strawberry, 1.8 million views on Instagram. There's the pregnant broccoli that dumps her broccoli child in the trash, only to FaceTime him years later, begging for forgiveness. 2.1 million views. There's a strawberry that sings a lullaby to her terrified children as they are immolated in a blender to make a milkshake. 100,000 views. The terrified spaghetti mother and her two daughters submerged in a pot of boiling water. Oh yeah, one of those articles was more about. the videos of like food getting cooked and crying and stuff and those I've seen but I don't find those compelling. They're like a nexus of gore and porn. There is something definitely pornographic about the whole genre. But so far there's like a distance because they're like cartoons not deepfakes. I mean soon enough and they're like glitchy but highly addictive. that one of the articles was basically, yeah, like talking about the content itself, and then the other article was talking about like the origins.

Which is more interesting. Yes, yeah. Because it all seems to be coming from India. Yeah, it says it's the trend stems from a single program. Object talk, a customized version of chat GPT. Object talk appears to be the brainchild of AISentries.com, advertises itself as a company founded by two brothers with the mission to equip the next generation of AI creators. They didn't respond to multiple requests for comment. The website teaches creators how to make AI slop featuring custom prompts. Not only are tons of people watching cartoon fruit and vegetable drama, but tons of other people are making it, eking profits out of the dissemination of the specific kind of AI slop and upping the ante with wilder and wilder plotlines to further their reach. So I guess there's like a whole consumer content creation economy.

Yeah. I assume that they were like coming from like a single source. No, it's their proliferating. And I guess originally they were somewhat educational and they were like teaching viewers had to remove a wine stain or like do a skincare tutorial. Never, never seen those in my life. Yeah. I'm looking.

I'm looking. And then they like morphed into these mores. absurdist plotlines that like activate and exploit people's like primitive emotional centers. Yeah, here's one. This is a hot dog yelling at a... Girl, I'll divorce you. Don't say that. Is a pregnant apple getting yelled at by a hot dog? It's really so hard to look away.

And they're so abusive. And yet this, I mean, it's crazy. We're cooked. It's over. I know, I know. That's all Sam Altman's fault. It is, yeah. That's the real existential threat of AI. Yeah, the intelligence or article talks about how the talking food videos indicate that AI isn't just getting better at messing with our heads.

It's going to get better at messing with our hearts as well. I mean, that's bullshit. If we're primed to react to even a sad chicken nugget video, what does that mean for how we react to AI-generated content that actually looks realistic? there's horrible and real violence in the news, war is natural disasters, devastating family separation, and then there's this whole other world of fake terror encroaching on our algorithms. And the fake world is even more fine-tuned to our political leanings, emotional triggers, and soft spots. As the technology develops, it seems inevitable that each person's consumption will skew more toward computer-generated slop that taps into their deepest capacities for emotions without actually earning it. I mean, that's just, that's a bit of a reach, honestly. I don't think people are experiencing real catharsis. I mean, they're feeling some kind of emotional release or tettulation. Otherwise, they wouldn't be watching them. It's, there's some, like, there's competitiveness and then the slight variations, like any genre, like, that's why. But you do, you watch, you know, I watch these videos and I'm like, this is my life.

Like, you know, like, my life is like slipping away. Yeah. And I'm, this is what I'm... Oh, I thought you meant like, this is your life in terms of like, oh, the stuff that's happening in the videos. Yeah, because I'm pregnant and really is pitting me. One custody battle after another. No, I just mean like, act like this is it. Yeah, I know.

And what about, you know, I wish I could empower myself to... not partake. Yeah, no, it's like hard to look away, but, you know, ideally... It'd be better if I had a drug. We did drugs. True. Like, we should go back to that. We should go back to like shooting up and nodding off.

Yeah. That'd be like more productive. Doing piles of coke, the good old days. Yeah, but ideally this could be something that could work as a tool for like deprogramming yourself of insidious propaganda and brain rot. because you understand how these things like exploit your emotions, but like that's not going to happen because people want to be like emotionally persuaded and manipulated. All the risk and threat of the fruit slop that's described in these articles is already here

because again, people buy existing real seeming propaganda hookline and sinker, myself included. Like we're all suggestible and easily propagandized. Yeah, we're trapped. Like you see what you want to see and you hear what you want to hear, which is like why, again, I've become such a skeptic, which isn't good. But you got to get out, you know. It's like unhealthy to live in that state and not believe in anything.

Well, you got to touch grass. Yep. You know, that's why you got to get out there and like see what's real. Yeah, I mean, like, I was thinking about this, like, when everybody was sharing that story about, how a new bullet analysis clears Tyler Robinson of killing Charlie Kirk because it shows that the bullet couldn't have been fired from the rifle when it turns out that the bullet had been so fragmented as to be inconclusive. But the headline made it seem like Tyler Robinson was in fact exonerated of the death of Charlie Kirk, you know? And it's like, you know, people really do like fall for things that. confirm their version of events, their psychological predispositions and proclivities.

So true. Yeah. They also talk about how people like it because it's a form of escapism that helps them forget about, quote, what's going on in the world. I think that's why we watch them, because it's like it's either that or you're going to bed, feeling like the world is literally going to be on fire tomorrow, said Carolyn Deary, a 29-year-old content creator. L.A. Kevin Kenneth Ray Yarborough the second, a 28-year-old Houston resident who works in house keeping at a nursing home, echoed her sentiment. Every time I open up TikTok, it's an escape. And now that I have this AI fruit, it's something to entertain me for a few hours to just kind of get my mind off of what's going on in the world. For a few hours? What's going on in the world? That's such a damning admit. It's like you have nothing going on is the problem. I mean, none of us do. That's the thing. That's the problem, yeah. People like, you know, people keep talking about permanent underclass.

Yeah, like, why do you feel so oppressed by vague cataclysmic events that are happening in the world? It does. I mean, there's a- It does escape into a tiny screen. Ugh, it does take a psychic toll. Yeah, but like. And there's nothing else you can do because you're poor. Yeah, and it's like the fruits are a proxy of a proxy.

Like the fruits are a proxy for world events, but the world events are a proxy for some kind of like lack of meaning or purpose in your life. Right. I mean, it's sad. Yeah, it's like that I think I quoted this guy on the last episode, but it's like Nick Carter said the Bitcoin guy, not the black celebrity. His name is also Nick Carter, right? Yeah. that like people who are either warning about or celebrating the arrival of UBI don't realize that UBI is effectively already here and you're being like

subsidized if not paid to just post to die. We're getting UBI but it's AI slop videos instead of money. But we can all have some. Yeah. And we can make. make some and we can watch some. And it's like, you know, you could read a book or you could go outside or you could like pick up a new hobby or learn a new discipline. But like nowadays I think just like merely the

idea of that existing takes the place of going through it. Of what existing. Just like the conceit like you're like, oh, I could do this. Yeah. I could do this one thing. that might pull me out of the morass. But you won't. And yeah, and some people are obviously, like, better at it than others. I'm not particularly good at that. I have my moments. Yeah, like, yeah, of course, we all have, like, moments of, like, clarity and inspiration.

But the slop's just undeniable. But it's having a deleterious effect. I'm a slave. Yeah, I don't think like the AI produce slop is like here to stay. I think it'll probably be replaced by a worse, even more grotesque thing. Something that new, yeah. But yeah, the idea that they have that like fall or like being addicted to a like cartoon AI slop is a slippery slope because it, will lead you to become addicted to propaganda AI slop is fake because people are already addicted to propaganda AI slop.

Yeah. Like the cartoons are kind of like an afterthought. They exist like side by side. They're lighter fare. That's why they're like, you know, you can get anxious or you can dissociate. Those are like the modes.

that are available for a contemporary person is like debilitating anxiety or just like totally being brain dead except yeah except some of these tech whizzes who are optimizing every aspect of their life I've accepted the enlightened path of being totally brain dead

and no longer monitoring the situation The Iran war has personally been a pretty good thing for me Because it's disabused me of my naive idealistic notion That you can reason with anyone So I'm just like free to live my life Yeah It's been bad for me Not thinking about me

But you know I just I hate You know I really I hate war And I'm willing to take that brave stand But I was upset when the Ukraine conflict started and that's ongoing. And now another one that feels just really, it's... And the religious aspect of it is...

Makes it more distressing. What do you mean? Like the holy war. Like, you mean against Islamic civilization or... Yeah, the civilizational distressing. the, like, the people are out there, like, killing and dying for their religious beliefs. Yeah. Makes it feel much more, like, apocalyptic.

Yeah, but I would bet that a large portion of at least urbanite Iranians are the equivalent of, like, cafeteria Catholics. Sure. And that they're not really like Islamoid zealots. But try as Laura Lumer may to convince us of that fact. But the rhetoric around the war, which is as real as anything, you know. Yeah. But even if you like surmise that Iranian civilization is more or less, yeah, like still faith-based and un-ironic, which I don't even think is true because, like, for instance, you have this, like, statistic that even there, like, TFR is plummeting.

Even in an Islamic theocratic society, like the United States is so beyond secular at this point. The U.S. says, yeah, and Israel in its own way too, but they, again, we're in the war because Israel thinks that, I mean, because there's a theological threat to Israel. Yeah. Well, it's like an existential threat that they like to politely portray as a theological threat. The Israelis, not so much, but maybe the Jews. But that is the, you know, if you believe that is what it's about. Yeah, well, it's, yeah, it's about, like, securing the destiny of the chosen people or whatever. Yeah.

But the United States is, like, obviously, like, like, the whole. Holy War is like a weird undead, reanimated corpse of an actual Holy War, because it's like totally unholy. It's definitely unholy. Yeah, and like blasphemous. It's unjust. And the Catholic Church condemns it, J.D. Vance. Um. Damn.

We've reached a fork in the road because we could segue into the Catholic Revival or we can segue into. the Catholic Revival or we can segue into Sam Altman. I mean, the Catholic Revival again, I was like, really? We're having one like every two to three years. But the last one was kind of fake. Yeah, I mean, they're all fake. When they were talking about the Dime Square Catholics, that was just me. I know, it's your fault you started this.

That was me in honor, Levy, and no one was really being Catholic. And there wasn't like, there wasn't a Catholic revival, but now apparently there like might be one of brewing. Well, J.D. Vance is a new memoir coming out called Communion about his journey to conversion. And Ushah Vance, his wife has a new podcast coming out. Or she read? About promoting reading and literacy among children. But yeah, I guess the conversions were up this Easter, like 38%. Yeah, and attendance was up 20%.

Yeah. And I think it was in the Washington Post. Yeah. And then some other outlet I've never heard of called The Washington Times. They also wrote like dual articles. They're all kind of reiterating the same. Yeah, I mean, yeah, as you mentioned, like, every couple of years, there's, like, rumors of a Catholic revival that's, like, for real this time. And it's led by young people. And it mostly amounts to, like, a revival of the media discourse around the Catholic revival. There was that EV MAG article, which I didn't read. Because that shit's been a wall. Yeah. About how it's, like, the hottest club in New York right now. The picture they ran was, like, some influencer horror with, like, a really big. Cross. And the Washington Post article describes basically like an influencer economy. Yeah. That's bolstered church

attendance. Yeah. Because people make like get ready with me videos. Yeah. Hot girls for Catholicism. Yeah. And it's, I mean, it sounds nice. It does. Yeah. I'm all ready. I'm all, you know. The interesting part about it is that both of them report that there is indeed this resurgence, but it's in young men especially. It's being led, driven by young men, which would seem unusual because you'd expect it to be coming from women who are more active and visible on social media and who probably, you know, to be charitable, want a husband. Yeah. And these guys have also figured out that if there are women there, they can get a girlfriend. or a wife. You know, nice.

So mostly these people claim that they want a community outside of social media and quote whack political stuff. One Zoomer says, I'm not a political influencer at all. I wouldn't even say I'm a Catholic influencer. Catholic Catholicism in my faith is just one part of my personal brand. And it turns out he's a content creator. Yeah. So they're reporting a 20% rise in attendance, 38 rise. 38% rise in conversion, but I want to know what like the turnover and retention rates are. Well, there's a study that's cited in one of these articles from the Pew Research Center that

found for every young person coming into the Catholic Church around 12 young people leave. Yeah. So numbers are up, but it seems like... Yeah, but there's kind of like our Patreon. And so the attendees offered a variety of other explanations. Church was a much-needed IRL third space for the terminally online. It afforded meaningful connection and the potential to turn those connections into serious relationships. In an ugly and inauthentic world, Catholicism offered beauty and tradition. A few people credited

conservative activist Charlie Kirk's death as a catalyst. Kirk was not Catholic, but some associates of him had said that he was exploring Catholicism, blah, blah. And then the pastor at St. Joe's where I guess they have heard about this, the 6 p.m. Matt. at St. Joe's has become a real hot spot. And the reverend there, the pastor, estimated that attendance had increased by 20% in the past six months. The number of people receiving their first sacraments at Easter remained steady between 13 and 16 annually, and 2025, 35 people received sacraments. This year, the church is expecting 88. A year and a half ago, 60 people stayed for the church's wine social after a Sunday evening service. It was a good night. these days they average about 200 people. Okay, so for every one person they gain, they lose 12 people, but that number is also offset by the fact that increased Hispanic immigration to the United States is largely Catholic, but nobody really cares about them or counts them.

But they're not converting. And those numbers are kind of, I think, about the church broadly. Yeah. Whereas, like, I think in specific people, parishes that have become popular, they are seeing more growth. Yeah, that are like hot spots for young people. Yeah. Who are content creators and like trying to meet people. Um, a lot of them say that they prefer the traditional aesthetics of the Catholic Church, the big box aesthetics of the Bible bell. Um, also Catholic young adult groups are one of the few places where many young people can question

socially liberal positions without fear of being marginalized or ostracized. That's true. The Theo Bros. Like the rules and order-based nature of the church more than the service and community aspect, Gen Z men face the time of choosing. It's either porn, drugs, gambling, and debt, or truth, beauty, discipline, and meeting a pretty girl at Mass. Why not both? You know you're doing both. Well, that's the nice part about it, you kind of can. Yeah. But, yeah, and they, I think the men, the men is kind of overblown. I think at least in the Catholic Church, it's definitely both, because it has become kind of like a social event. And while I think it's broadly positive, my cynic, I do have my cynical read is that it is a bit of a recession. recession indicator because going to church is for free. And people used to meet people at work or at a

club. But now no one has a job and can't afford to go anywhere. So it makes sense that, you know. Yeah. And this like really kills two birds with one stone because you can get out there and meet people and then you can also make content out of it and possibly meet more people who slide into your DMs and make money. And that's also kind of like the cynical undercurrent is that like it's profit. There's like profit to be made and not like for the church, but for like like whiskey entrepreneurs or people who make like Catholic apps. That's my jam, yeah. We need a Catholic AI. There is.

Candice Owens, I advertise us it on her show. It's called like Magisterium or something. They have that. Confession AI. You can't get absolution from that. Confession companion. Well, the AI is too sycophantic.

You won't tell you you did anything wrong. Yeah. You're like, oh, I jerked off to the fantasy of raping and beheading this girl who's a fellow content creator on TikTok. Like, you are so valid for that. A thousand Hail Marys. I mean, my, yeah, my church should have, like, the people that doesn't seem like it's growing that much, to be honest. Uh-huh. This really is your impact.

J.D. Vance can eat his heart out. Well, J.D. Vance is such a Lindy West. I'm sorry. Why, because he's fat. And wrote two memoirs. Two memoirs is crazy. And, like, you know, as Elena Sagely noted, obviously his memoir, his wife's podcast, are a kind of normal, strategic attempt to campaign in 2028. Yeah.

Like they're trying to make themselves more like visible and appealing and so on and so forth. And like, you know, you can't really blame or fault them for that. Sure. But like it is, I'm such a hater. Yeah. I need to stop being such a hater because people are always like, oh, you're like constantly like dick riding J.D. Vance. And like, I'm really not. I really hate the, um, his thing of like writing memoirs.

I mean, and they're all named after Bell Hook's books. Do you see that? No. She had a book called Appalachian Elegie and also had a book called Communion. Wait, I actually did see that and I thought it was, I thought they were just like mocking him. No, no, that's true. Since he likes name changes so much, he should start lowercasing his name. That could be cool. That would be dope. Poetic. Yeah. But yeah, like, again, I do think it's broadly, you know, I think. it's good that people return are returning to some semblance of like a religious bedrock in their lives and even if the majority of them don't stay it's you know the holy spirit will be working

in the lives of these people for whatever reason but i really just don't you know i don't relate to like the catholic influencer uh wait say more on that arc Like when I reverted You know everyone's kind of like Oh I saw a TikTok About how There were chicks at the church Or like how to style a veil

And when I reverted I was like You know I was kind of having some Problems of my medication You know I heard of Daniel Johnston song at the APC surplus store in Paris. You know, like, it doesn't seem like anyone's making really, like, mystical, like,

connections that are drawing them to the faith the way that they used to. But you think that this is a net positive because it's part of, like, God's plan. Yeah. And even if these people are suffering from, like, false consciousness and are misguided and don't know what they're doing and maybe believe that they believe but are inauthentic. even if you're going to church just to meet someone and it's good that you're going to church.

Because you believe in the power of prayer. Yeah. Of course. And yeah and that God finds vessels to evangelize

in new ways. Yeah, I guess my biggest like doubt or concern is that I don't know if it's possible to have true faith as a modern secular person in this day and age, which is like sad and damning, and I try to have it myself and, like, pray all the time. How come? Well, because, like, we are also, like, irony-pilled.

I think young people are less, are more earnest. Yeah, probably like by dint of their youth, that's true. And I think faith is possible. Yeah, but I guess I agree. I would actually agree with you. I think it is possible, but it has to be much more self-directed than it was in the past. Well, I think church attendance is actually important. Because like self-directed prayer can lead you astray.

Yeah, and no, I agree with you. like you should go to church and involve yourself in the community and so on and so forth. But I mean the decision to even return to church or like go to church in the first place has to be like entirely self-directed. Yeah. And like, you know, as I get older, I find it harder and harder to judge young people. I mean, I still judge them, but in like a benign and maternal way versus in like, in like, an edgy and competitive way.

Right. Where I'm like, okay, these people are like youthful and retarded, but they're like on the right track and they mean well. I do think they mean well. They're trying. And they do need, you know. I mean, even if you boil it down to like

the very basic primitive impulse of like finding a BF or a GF. I mean, that's been kind of the function of the church historically. Yeah. It was just more like integrated into people's lives and it wasn't so like deliberate. Yeah. It's just what, you know, if you lived in a, in a village, the church was like a natural way in which your like social life was structured.

And that's where people paired off. And that's where, you know, you met people who had the same values that you espouse. Mm-hmm. And it gives you like a common ground that is, will build like a healthier relationship than like meeting a stranger off an app or something. Yeah, but I even, I even question like what those values are. Like on the surface level, they're like decent, wholesome values. Like you want to meet someone, get married, have children. But ultimately, and you know, this is neither here nor there.

it's not a good thing or a bad thing, but values are just like a justification of primitive impulses. Like you want to procreate, pass down your DNA, that sort of thing. And I saw some, I don't know how true this is, but I saw people on Twitter, like, right before you got here, we're talking about how, like, the white birth rate is up for the first time ever in America, which I didn't expect. But could that be in part due to a renewed interest in religion? I don't know. Maybe BAP was wrong.

I don't know. But I think, like, well, when you talk, like, I mean, really being Catholic is hard. Like, the window, like, the kind of, like, the wholesome social value. of it is real and that's obviously like what draws people to it but I think people who engage with the faith in a sincere way like that's you know you're not asked to like get a girlfriend you're asked of like literally like take up a cross and it's not like it's not all like peace and love yeah I mean just being religious entails duty and responsibility which I think people crave. Like, ultimately, this is a symptom of the fact that we live, like, already live in a super

abundant society with an excess of, like, superficial options and choices that make everyone, like, totally neurotic and dysfunctional. And the structure of religious life is a good antidote to that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so like in that article, there was this like faintly disapproving tone of because, you know, we're talking about young men, mostly white men who are like supposedly returning to the faith. And they're seeking order and authority, meaning power, patriarchy. And they don't really care about the service or community based whatever. But like, I don't really care what reason they're doing it for. And I'm sure a lot of those guys are getting involved, at least even, even like socially in a way that like exceeds aesthetics or power games or whatever.

For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's probably easier ways to like gain power than becoming a Catholic. Over your peers for sure. Yeah. You just have to like do more. drugs and skate better. You have to give chlamydia to more hose. But that's what I mean by the

kind of the recession indicator. Yeah. Which is good, which is also part of God's plan. What? The deprivation. To draw them closer. You know, because when I think if the economy was doing better, people probably won't be going to church. They probably start in businesses and Yeah. You know, they'd be more preoccupied with, like, their material gains, which is wrong spiritually. Yeah. But materially real. Uh-huh.

You know. Uh-huh. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think I followed. Yeah. It's a good, humble pastime in tough times. Well, it is good if they can make more.

more friends and have more sex. Yeah. Wait till marriage, but sure. Are they even waiting till marriage? There's no way. I don't think some, yeah, I feel like the 6 p.m. St. Joe's Mass is probably not like the most pious crowd. But I think their heart's in the right place.

And who am I? Who do I? I don't know what's in her heart. I don't know what their own to. Yeah. I don't go. I don't, you know. Well, should we talk about?

Godless faggot. See, he's not going to church. There's nothing for him there because he's making money. He's scamming. He's going to the church of faggotry, profit, deception. He's going to the bank. He's telling lies. He's Ronan Pharaoh.

Ronan Pharaoh. Back at it again. with a very tepid expose. I had such a ball reading this expose for like half of it, and then it dragged on and got way too long and whatever. There was just kind of nothing. But it was so funny. So many like bangers, tidbits.

So yeah, there's this new expose in The New Yorker by Ronan Farrow that's co-written with some guy called Andrew Moran's, some faggot on faggot violence. We love to see it. Sam Altman may control our, future, can he be trusted? Well, no, he's gay and Jewish. Do you need an entire essay to see this? It's based on new interviews and leaked documents that shed light on the fact that Altman may be a gay sociopath. And it opens with this guy, Ilya Sutskiver, who's Open AIs chief scientist, and he's sending top secret

memos to the board expressing doubts about Sam Altman. He's no longer. His second in command and Greg Brockman, his, you know, his stated commitments versus his hidden motives. And then it goes to this other guy, Dario Amadeh, who's another top AI researcher. Yeah, neither of them are still at the company. Because they ousted Sam Altman briefly. Yeah. And he kept obsessive notes on Altman and Brockman's behavior for years. And the so-called Ilya memos and Darya notes form the backbone of the New Yorker investigation. Though, as the authors admit, neither collection of documents contains a small. smoking gun. Rather, they recount an accumulation of alleged deceptions and manipulations, each of which might in isolation be greeted with a shrug. This sounds like an Anacotcheon tweet. It's word salad. That's a crazy thing to say about your exquisite. We have no evidence. Yeah. And we have, we've got a bunch of anecdotes that don't seem important. And we have, we have no, like, goal or objective other than to. smear this guy who like one look at his physiognomy tells you everything that you need to know.

It is really like Perez Hilton or just Jared tear gossip blogging, which makes sense because Ronan Farrow came of age in that era. And it's like dressed up for like the sophisticated, enlightened urban audience that likes to think that it's above this sort of thing. Right. That's like concerned about like. existential questions about AI and, ooh. Yeah, like moral fag window dressing.

And it did like, you know, I said this on Twitter already, but like, you know, you you read this against like Matt Taibi's Twitter files or Nicholas Wade's investigation of like gain of function research and the lab leak hypothesis surrounding COVID. and it's so like scant, skimpy, flimsy. Probably kind of nothing. There's like toward the end, there's even a part where they admit to spending months looking into allegations that Altman raped minors and hired prostitutes. So they're like really reaching now, but then they still come up empty handed.

I personally wouldn't put it past Sam Altman to do those things. But Ron and Farrow can't really get him on that. because he's probably guilty of the same weird gay sex shit that they're all doing. He's a gay guy in San Francisco. It's like written in these like limp-risted homosexual tones of like tabloid gossip, petty intrigue. I mean, honestly, Ronan Farrow needs the expose on why he's pretending to be Frank Sinatra's son. Why he's wearing blue eye contacts. Yep.

Legathinging surgery. blue contacts. He's Woody Allen's son. I'm starting to come around to that hypothesis. I have no doubt. He's not Frank Sinatra's son. He's pretending to be. And that's why he started the, I've said this, but he started the Me Too movement as an edible quest to destroy his real father, Woody Allen. by like spearheading this like campaign against like abusive men and that's why he like psychologically has to like pretend he knows Woody Allen's his dad but he's pretending he's got those baby blues that's crazy he had the leg lengthening surgery

there's your smoking gun that's a way more that's way more interesting than anything Sam Altman did so apparently this guy Sutskever was terrified at the behest of other board members he had been working with like-minded colleagues to compile some 70 pages of Slack messages and HR documents accompanied by explanatory text. All of us to demonstrate that Sam Altman was a people pleaser and a pathological liar, so like a typical gay guy. Not even a pathological liar, honestly.

It's really funny to like picture these two dudes like compiling their notes. and memos to betray their boss. And he was, Sam Altman, to make a long story short, TLDR, was basically playing people off of each other and telling them what they want to hear. Which is like, again, like, consistent with gay guy behavior and consistent with startup founder behavior, of course. Founder is called Founder Mode. It's called going zero to one.

And he met his husband and Peter Thiel's hot tub. Zero to come. They quote the belated Aaron Schwartz, who really is like the Charlie Kirk of tech and that like everybody has like a hadith about how he said this or that. And apparently he once called Altman a sociopath who could not be trusted. They quote a senior executive at Microsoft who says, I think there's a small but real chance he's eventually remembered as a Bernie Madoff or Sam Bankman-Fried level scammer. Okay, so there's a real chance, but it's small. And what's the story? We interviewed more than 100 people with first-hand knowledge of how Sam Altman conducts business.

Some have dismissed Sutskevur and Amadei as failed aspirants to the throne as gullible, absent-minded scientists, or as hysterical doomers. The main takeaway is that Altman is a guy who says and does things that, quote, make no sense in the real world because he's, quote, too caught up in self-belief and unconstrained by truth. He has two traits that are almost never seen in the same person. The first is a strong desire to please people to be liked in any given interaction. The second is almost a sociopathic lack of concern for consequences that may come from deceiving someone. That's not true. morbid and gay guys and just very common features that coexist all the time in people like that. In people pleasers.

That's the thing about people pleasers is that, yeah, they want to please people. In the moment and have an utter reckless lack of regard for consequences. So they lie. It's like a very class as an archetype of a person, really. it's just he's not even that special and they're kibbe type sinister homosexual it's um well yeah when they talk about yeah he had some company called looped oh yeah um and uh they they they quote one of the investors i guess who says um there's a blurring between i think i can maybe accomplish this thing and I have already accomplished this thing

that in its most toxic form leads to Theranos, Elizabeth Holmes, fraudulent startup. There's more of a story there. She's got a story to tell, and she should come on the show, but that, and then they referenced this later, but when, in the first half of the article, when they were describing his, like,

kind of weird lies, I thought, I did think of the Steve Jobs, like, reality distortion field. Yeah. Which then they reference later. Yeah. Because that is kind of also, like, a classic tech thing, is to like dream really big and you know set these unrealistic expectations and act like they're

accomplishable because then you'll like be surprised at what people can do yeah you'll be surprised at all the gullible retards who choose to give you money because they have nothing else going on um so yeah he's like described as like power hungry unethically questionable like take a number get in line and he's therefore like unfit to take on the momentous task of steering this company which is unlike any other company in history because it's developing something that might come to rival or even surpass human cognition by like sissy hip-knowing everyone into watching horny TikTok veg slop. As a result, the firm has an unusual corporate structure and it's incorporated as a nonprofit with 501C3 status, which, you know, makes there's like an essential conflict of profit versus safety.

that's more relevant to the public, given its special status. Right off the bat, the authors and interview subjects are sort of colluding in sounding the alarm over the existential threat of this extremely powerful, potentially dangerous technology. The quote, heavy burden and unprecedented responsibility involved in a civilization-altering product. And like the built-in irony, of course, that anyone, you know, willing to take on the job is going to be a. person, you know, who has a mind of their own plans of their own. Well, remember that old man who was yelling at me in Austin? About the effective altruid? Yes. Well, that made me think of that. Yeah. I was like, that's exactly what that old man was yelling about. And I was just kind of drunkenly arguing and didn't even really have a position. Well, yeah, but like any, of course,

anybody like that, like their, like, hidden motives would confirm. with like their like stated humanitarian ideals and values because they're they're you know political and profit making in nature. This reminded me of gain of function research where there were all these like scientists and clinicians who were aware of the risks involved and they were downplaying their involvement to minimize their own liability so that when it blew up in their faces and their incestuous web of like lobbying and grants became known to the public, they could then position themselves as like experts who were tasked with the cleanup, you know, both like literal and metaphorical. And like I'm no fan of Sam Altman. I can believe that he's up to no good,

but I fail to see how this story does anything but like weak in any case that you could build against him. There's really no as they admit themselves, there's no smoking gun. Yeah, like, do you need a long read to tell you this? Also, like, why should we trust the motives of any of the people

who are now conspiring against him? Exactly. Like, I really couldn't believe it, but this investigation was like almost making me side with him. Oh, that's the thing about this. Fuck these people. He's a Nietzschean and a Faustian

who has a vision for civilization that he wants to enact. I mean, damn, he's got a job, you know. So he's gotten his bag. In the case of Sutskhaver and Amadeh, who are like the two main sources, he had courted them and poached them. Uh-huh. And Google had given Sutskiver a $6 million a year counter offer because they knew that

Open AI was trying to get him. And he declined, and he probably now has like buyers remorse. Open AI programmers were taking substantial pay cuts for the privilege of feeling that they were changing the world by, quote, distributing mosquito nets to the poor. And it did remind me of like that drunken debate that we were having at dinner in Austin where like the question was like,

oh, like do effective altruists really believe that they believe or are they just opportunists and cynics? who are like exaggerating the dangers of AI so they can control it themselves. Yeah, and like yeah, the resolution seemed to be that like all sides are basically

vying for who gets to be the gatekeeper. Yeah. They're nominally against AI and nominally but not really. Yeah, and nominally promote its regulation but not really. So Altman was removed by the board

and his partners and investors were blindsided. then he decamps to this multi-million San Francisco mansion he owns where he and his team of like crisis advisors set up a war room and they work around the clock to portray his firing as like a coup or a mutiny by the effect of altruists. I remember when this happened because we discussed it. I know and we already called it open gay guy. Yeah. So we can't use that title again. Damn. It made me really, I was.

I was like, I wish I had a job. Like, it seems nice to, like, go to an office. And there was, like, intrigue and, like, Slack chats and, like, mm, like, you don't know how could you have it? Who's on the board? And, like, you know, like, how do you even get in the mix? Like, I have, I have, like, no skills. Just by, like, being arrogant and delusional, which we're both good at doing. But, like, wow, why not me?

You know? Why can't I do anything? Because we're women. I can't do anything. Well, and at the time they like, remember when they like replaced him with a provisional CEO and it was like this like hot for tech. No, I don't even remember that. Albanian broad and then he sought to destroy her reputation and she ended up signing the letter demanding his reinstatement anyway. So it was like an employee's versus the board situation.

He was reinstated five days later. The rogue board members were forced to resign, but not before demanding a thorough investigation, which of course would prove difficult because the new board was staffed with loyalists and was never officially recorded or documented as they report. Yeah, and, you know, it is really interesting how flimsy, how skimpy the grounds are for this investigation.

Like they say that they were expecting fraud or, baslement or sexual harassment, but there was like nothing concrete. Well, my takeaway was like, yeah, he's opening eyes a nonprofit. Yeah. But he is profiting. Yes. That's essentially that. But isn't that like, doesn't everyone kind of already know that about nonprofit?

Yeah. That's sort of the deal. Yeah, the Democrats done had been doing this for decades. Like I don't think anyone thinks like a nonprofit, no one has profit from a nonprofit. It's Ronan Farrow is probably serving on the board of some non-profit that he's profiting off

of one way or another. But yeah, it was just like vague allegations of like omission and deception and a lack of transparency. What was funny was how actually transparent he was in the interview he did with them where he talks about like

knocking back to Gronies and popping Ambien in a fugue state. They're all like quoting Marvel movies and Mike Tyson because they're gay sex nerds who don't even have sex. I know. Well, he's a bottom, don't you think? Probably. I wouldn't be surprised because he's such a high-powered executive, yeah. Someone describes him as having Jedi mind control. So ultimately what he's accused of is like, yeah, like double-dealing, over-promising, you know, just a day in the life of your average tech startup. He was freezing out

investors who work with competitors, like, of course, why wouldn't you do that if you were in his position. He had financial entanglements with former romantic and sexual partners. Also, duh. That's like what's going on in San Francisco, you know? Or like in life in general, frankly. Yeah. He was possibly pivoting from being a Democrat to a Trump supporter because it was like financially and socially expedient. Yeah. Well, the real, the thing was with the military attack. Yeah. Anthropic. Oh, yeah. yeah, that was an interesting, yeah, so he was taking money from the Gulf states and wanted to build microchip boundaries, data centers, and other AI infrastructure on their soil, which is

problematic because, you know, they were known for leaking to the Chinese, and they also depend on Chinese hardware, Huawei, and it's also the Middle East, so it's, you know, vulnerable to military strikes and general strike. And then, of course, Anthropic briefly ended up edging out Open AI because that, so that company was started by Dario Amadeh and his sister. Yeah. And they got the government contracts because they had less stringent safety policies in place. But then like they refused to play along with the Trump administration and Pete Heggseth blacklisted them. When I was trying to make conversation at the Fudo conference, my go-to is being like, sir, you are

a Claude or an opening eye guy. I'm like, so which LLM are you? Are you in? My eyes are glazing over. But someone there told me, yeah, that the Open AI is coming out on top. That Claude was briefly better, but they keep, you know, releasing new versions, whatever.

Yeah, still can't make one that cheats at Scrabble, though. So how good could it be? Well, yeah, and then they built. Maybe China will figure it out. China will. But it's probably going to play Go. It's just, yeah, it's crazy because it's like clearly, none of the people who are like hating on him now would do any different if they were in his position.

Of course not. These people will stand for nothing. You know, there's this existential threat to the safety of humanity, but it's not AI reaching singularity as these people claim. for their like marketing purposes. It's like that the AI bubble is going to burst. As Aaron Wolf acknowledged on our doomed and ill-fated Fudo episode, it is like an overvalued and over-hyped industry. Yeah.

Here's a quote. Altman's rhetoric has helped sustain one of the fastest cash burns of any startup in history relying on partners that have borrowed vast sums. The U.S. economy is increasingly dependent on a few high-ups. highly leveraged AI companies and many experts at times, including Altman, have warned that the industry is in a bubble. Open AI has since become one of the most valuable companies in the world. It is reportedly preparing for an initial public offering at a potential valuation of a trillion dollars. Altman is driving the construction of a staggering amount of AI infrastructure, some of it concentrated within foreign autocracies. Open AI is securing sweeping government contract, setting standards for how AI is used in immigration enforcement, domestic surveillance,

and autonomous weaponry in war zones. Okay, that would be a much more interesting investigation. Versus this blog post about how he's, like, guilty of making money. Like, what is it? Stacking too much paper? Yeah, like lying and deceiving, which they all do. And Altman responded, this is bullshit. I can't change my personality.

that's funny. Yeah, every kind of lie they kind of catch him in. He says, like, I was kidding or like, what are you talking about? I don't remember that. I don't recall that. If everything went right, if everything went right, the opening eye founders believed artificial intelligence could usher in a post-scarcity utopia, automating grunt work, curing cancer, and liberating people to enjoy lives of leisure and abundance. But if the technology went rogue or fell into it. the wrong hands, the devastation could be total. China could use it to build a novel bioweapon or a fleet

of advanced drones. An AI model could outmaneuver its overseers replicating itself on secret service so that it couldn't be turned off. In extreme cases, it might seize control of the energy gridless stock market or the nuclear arsenal. Not everyone believe this to say the least, but Altman repeatedly affirmed that he did. He wrote on his blog in 2015 that superhuman machine intelligence, quote, does not have to be inherently the evil sci-fi version to kill us all. A more probable scenario is that it simply doesn't care about us either way. But in an effort to accomplish some other goal wipes us out. And then later, when asked about the existential threat, he says that that's just not even a thing. He's very dismissive of it. Yeah, I mean, he's not wrong to take that line, honestly, because it's like,

okay, I can't tell with that quote you read if these guys really believe that dichotomy between like a post-scarcity utopia and an annihilation event or if that's just like the consumer-friendly version they're giving to Ronan Farrow to like whip libs up into Tizzy but like the their verb the big problem is that their version of utopia is dystopia and it's already here because it the risk isn't that AI gains sentience, it's that it's already made everybody way less sentient. Well, they talk about human enfeeblement. Yeah. That everyone's like outsourcing their like thoughts and thought processes to, I'll read that part.

We increasingly rely on AI to help us write, think, and navigate the world, accelerating what experts call human enfeeblement. The ubiquity of AI slop makes life easier for scammers and harder for people who simply want to know what's real. AI agents are starting to act independently with little or no human supervision. I mean, that is true. But I think also everyone can, not everyone, but people can tell when something is AI generated. Yeah, for the most part, yeah. But it is, I got, like a year ago, I got an email from the Oxford. Union, like their debate club inviting me to participate in something, but they didn't

fly me, want to fly me out, so why would I do that? But it was clearly, it was like, from some Indian student just saying, but yeah, it was like, your debate with Abby Shapiro. It had all this, like, hallucinatory. It was like, just clearly, I was like, oh, they just used AI to, like, lazily. And didn't like fact check. Yeah, write this email. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's certainly going to be more ubiquitous, but we just are going to have to be like vigilant against. Yeah, like is the real threat that like AI will gain sentience and become like a hostile enemy of humankind or the fact that like most people right now currently function like very basic. basic LLMs who like aggregate like fake news. Well, I read an article in the free press today actually about how coders are kind of

fucked. Not like, you know, whenever I was saying you've got to learn to code, how all these guys who went to school to learn to code because they were like, this is how you make money. Like most like, you know, mid. most coders aren't going to have jobs. Yeah, I mean, ain't nobody going to school to learn to code. They used to. Or you don't. School is for something else. But, like, also, like, being a coder is, like, being a writer. Like, if the AI makes your job obsolete, you probably weren't that good to begin with.

No offense. Hate to say it. I mean, it's true, but it's just the economic reality of these people not being able to. Yeah, no, that is very, like, sad and unfortunate. And yeah, they were sort of made promises, much like how, you know, when I was in school, I thought a liberal arts degree was going to get me gainful employment, you know, and that did not come to pass. Yeah. And so then people were like, okay, well, I'm not going to be an idiot and study philosophy. I'm going to study computer science. And now they can't get a job either.

Yeah. And eventually, like, no one will, you know, be able to kind of do anything. And I don't. And that's like priced into the calculus. But I don't think there is, there's not going to be a post-scarcity utopia. Yeah. Everyone's lives are easier because they can't work. Yeah. In the, in the affluent developed West, we already basically live in a post-scarcity society. My argument is that it's not actually utopian. It's kind of dystopian.

I mean, this, this co-stacistopian. or they was talking to the free press. He's a door dash driver now. He can't get a job. Yeah. He lives in a trailer. He's five. Yeah.

He thought that was going to be his ticket off the block. Mm-hmm. He was learning to code. Uh-huh. And now, I mean, obviously there still will be, like, coders who will be, like, using AI. Mm-hmm. But a lot of, like, the coding that was done before. It's just that the technology is, like,

advancing so quickly. Yeah, which was sort of the only vaguely convincing concern that this article raises, that there were supposed to be certain checks and balances on the leaps

that the AI was taking, and Sam Altman chose to disregard those in service of, like, profit and politics. But how can you, someone's going to do it. Like, that was basically what the conflict comes. Maybe that's, like, cynical and wrong, but it's like, I don't, I just don't, I do think there should be some regulation. I can't say, like, what that looks like. But on the other hand, I think, like, there is no stopping. There's no stopping technology. It's going to advance regardless. Yeah, once you, like, break the seal. So you have to just, like. But it's very hard to say, like, okay, so, yeah, this conflict comes down to, like,

people who prioritize, like, safety and regulation versus people who prioritize, you know, product development and profit margins, sure. But who knows how serious the safety concerns are? It's like going back to that Austin effective altruism, drunken dinner time debate, like, are these concerns merely being used by people as justification for their own? like power grabs Power grabs Gatekeeping I Yeah I don't foresee and I'm extremely unqualified

But I don't think there will be An abundant utopia Nor will I think Nor do I think there's going to be some like Doomsday event where the like machines Yeah, put us in a cage or whatever. And like Sam Altman actually, to his credit, seems pretty aware of this. Yeah. In that he thinks that when the dystopia comes, it'll be like a slow slide versus like an apocalyptic event.

But who knows because he's like telling all these people different things and trying to like get ahead of his critics. It just does seem so overblown. Yeah, this is really hilarious. So Sutskiver and the female board board members became increasingly concerned about safety. At one meeting, they realized that Altman's claims that a safety panel, that a safety panel had reviewed and approved a variety of features in a forthcoming chat cheap ET model were a lie, and there was no safety panel. At the same time, there was a safety breach in India, where Microsoft had rolled out an early version, but no one was informed. Okay. So they were like, Okay, so they were, like, freaking out about some, like, breach in India.

Yeah. Which, like, Indians are already, like, basically sentient AIs. There's just a lot of them. Yeah, and they're all, like, scamming and content creating. They're making a lot of slop is definitely coming from one country. I also, like, really, like, doubt the claims that this guy was, like, some ultra- charismatic, ultra-persuasive figure. Altman?

Yeah. It doesn't seem... I just, like, having met a lot of these guys now, they're all such, like, gullible gay nerds. Who, like, when you give them, like, a prompt, you know, when you try to engage in normal conversation with them, they, like, come back with, like, nagging and annoying clarification. They behave, like, five-year-old children.

They're like, how much do you think my head weighs? Yeah, I couldn't see myself being bewitched by Sam Allman, honestly. I don't think. Ooh, who does your filler? Where did you get your nose job? Ronan and Sam probably go to the same plastic surgeon. Sam looks a little better, honestly. You think Sam looks better than Ronan?

I met Ronan at Chloe 70's wedding. And my publicist introduced us. She said, this is Dasha. She's a Republican. And he was like, ooh, really? And his face was, yeah, it was like really, it was so full of chemicals. Yeah, I guess I didn't see him there, but I did see him like a few months or years later at Essex Market of all places. And he is indeed 5'10. I'll give him that. He's like 5'10 because he has that leg. lengthening surgery. Lengthen his legs, he broke the bones to make his legs longer.

What's, okay, what's Ronan Farrow's play in all of this? Why is he so concerned

with Sam Alman? They probably got in a dispute over some twink. Yeah. Are they? If I know

something about gay guys, they, and did you see Jeremy O'Harris called Sam Alman a Nazi? I did,

yeah. And my theory about Jeremy O'Harris also is that he's so, he's, because he's so mad at me. But I really think that I'm like catching some stray because he's really mad at like some gay guy who liked Red Scare. Smart, that's true. I think grown in Sam Altman's similar thing. There's like, you know, some twink came between that. And now it's war. Yeah.

He wasn't, he wasn't invited to Peter Thiel's hot tub. That's where me and Anna. How are you going to hate from outside of Peter Thiel's Hot Tub when you can't even get in? That's where me and Anna met, by the way. In Peter Thiel's Hot Tub? Well, we were both in Peter Thiel's Hot Tub when we had the great idea. We were the only women invited. Because, you know, Peter doesn't really like women.

And we thought, you know, if we start our podcast, I bet we could go zero to one. Look, I still haven't even cracked. Damn. I've read that book. The two books that I've read, zero to one and the Quran. Zero to Quran. I bet if I read that.

That's a pretty dee's podcast title. That's a good idea. I bet if I read that book, I'd be going founder mode. Be more successful. Maybe I will. Watch out. They're just mad that they weren't the twink that was killed by Peter Thiel. Peter Thiel is like the Carl Andre of tech. How's that?

You know Anna Mendietta. Anna, excuse me, Anna Mendietta. I thought I thought I meant Eric Andre. But Carl Andre, yeah, of course he killed his wife. No, that's Alex Carp because he's a mulatto. Right. Right, right. But yeah, Carl Andre did kill his wife. You think? Yeah. You think he did? I kind of come around and think he did.

I'm like undecided because it could be that she was being so annoying that he pushed her out of the window. Or it could be that she just... I mean, it seems so obvious because of the BPD and the way her work, you know, was about her dying and stuff. But it's like a little too tidy. Mm-hmm. And the way his work is so, like, sterile. and like calculated. I feel like

when you're a contemporary art star, they let you do it. I've come around. Critical support for Carl Andre Grooper. Musk continues to excoriate Altman in public, calling him scam Altman and Swindley Sam.

When Allman complained on ex-about a Tesla he'd ordered, Musk replied, you stole a non-profit. And yet in Washington, Altman seems to have outflanked him. Musk spent more than $250 million to help get Trump reelected and worked in the White House for months. Then Musk left Washington damaging his relationship with Trump in the process. And now Altman's in the mix. Yeah, he's, yeah. So Musk is mad because Altman basically took his place. It is funny how no one thinks he raped his sister. I know. I know. Somebody was like, so Ronan Farrow doesn't even believe that he raped his sister. And I think that is a real. kind of like death now on the Me Too era actually is that even Ronan Pharaoh is like your allegations of family incestual rape. Yeah, it's like his sister was saying some stuff, but kind of no one believes her.

Uh-huh. And that's, you know, I don't. I wonder if she's fat. I think she is. And yeah, apparently it's like a memory she like recovered as an adult. So it was like implanted by something sinister. And every family where there's like a successful, high achieving man and an unsuccessful, unachieving woman, the guy is skinny and the girl is fat. Jan is soprano.

But they both fat. This is such a trope. Yeah, true. But yeah, it's because he's so gay. It's like he's so gay. It's like we were like, why would he rape his sister? I know. And that's what turned him gay.

He tried to rape his sister and he was so disgusted by the female anatomy. He was like, I'm dipping out. He born this way. But he's just, I mean, yeah, I don't think he's like up to anything great. I don't think he's like a virtuous person or that like, you know. But I don't think he's a sociopath. No. Garden variety narcissists.

Yeah, it's like sociopath is just like a term that people can lob against other people who they don't like who are more successful. It's like Jeremy O'Harris, like the critical error that our haters make

is thinking that we're more successful than we are. I know. And yeah, and he called Sam Altman a Nazi a Vanity Fair Party, which I guess because of the military's hat, like

it's a little lost on me. Yeah, I mean, it's like a dirty job, but someone's got to do it, right? Oppenheimer had to make that bomb. So the Nazis didn't make it. Oh, yeah, Sam Altman was like really invested in having like a Manhattan project for AI. They're saying it's going to be like a nuke. It's going to be like the new nuke. And we have to.

But like what's the end game really? I mean, just charitably, not to even take Sam Altman's side, because like I said, I'm, like, creeped out by him and find him to be untrustworthy and didn't need Ronan Farrow and his, like, the other guy to write a whole expose about this. Charitably, like, you get into something, again, believing that you believe, with, you come in with all these, like, naive ideals. you want to change the world and like help people. And then gradually like you're beset by haters who are deranged and hysterical and not to be reasoned with. And you're like, wait a minute, fuck these people. I'm just going to like stack my chips and like do as I please.

Mm-hmm. And he hasn't done anything like, I don't, you know, I guess maybe I didn't Something's lost on me Well yeah there is no smoking gun I wish there was I wish that they had bothered to like It was like the Brandy Melville expose Where I was like surely they're going to rape these teen girls

Or there's going to be some kind of ring of like pedophilic activity And it was like oh there's some like racist group chats And the company structured unusually Or surely they were engaged in like unethical business practices, but not even that. I mean, I guess, yeah, I guess I don't know enough about like non-profit structures to parse, like, what the, like, all real wrongdoing was. Maybe a man could explain it to me. Someone could explain it to me. There was an interesting excerpt from Greg Brockman's diary where he says,

happy to not become rich on this. So as long as no one else is. And another, he asks, so what do I really want? Among his answers is financially what will take me to one billion. What are these boobs keeping diaries for? I don't know. Well, the other funny thing is like how all this is like couched in like therapy speak. Like they're talking about like gaslighting. By 2018 Amade had started questioning the founder's motives more openly. Everything was a rotating set of schemes to raise money. Okay, yeah, welcome to tech and startups. He wrote in his notes, I felt like what open AI needed was a clear statement of what it could do, what it would not do, and how its existence would make the world better. Open AI already had a mission statement to ensure that artificial

intelligence benefits all of humanity. Okay, so they're so up their own ass, honestly. I know, I know. We don't care. Let's just roll the fruit slop. Like, who fucking cares? Tell me how old a celebrity is. That's all. I'm pulling up chat DVD every day to be like, how old? How old was Winona writer in this movie? How old is this person? How old is this person? I know. How old was Sophia Coppola when she had her first daughter? Like Monica Balucci, 40 years old when she had her first daughter. Like Monica Balucci, 40 years old when she had her first and 45 when she had her second. Okay. Aubrey Plaza, pregnant with her first child at 41. There you go. With that guy from girls.

Not even a year after her husband commits suicide. Oh, that's okay. Aspirational role model. I mean, what are you going to do? God, of course. You have to. A tragedy, you know. You've got to live your life.

I love when like some celebrity woman like moves on from oh it's horrible the way people attack her relationship because the guy divorced her or cheated on her or literally died by suicide and every like all the the manosphere guys are like oh she she moves so fast meanwhile guys like the wife's body isn't even cold and he out there like in the classifies yeah. No, yeah, when her husband died, everyone was saying that she cheated on him and I was like, based on what? Like, that's crazy. That's so unfair. That's what really is so selfish about suicide is then people, I mean, besides all the pain and the loss, but it's also like, yeah, people just like indict you of wrongdoing. I know. You like, it's unescapable. was the one who was like selfish and immature for killing himself. I'm bereaved. I'm suffering. He could have written a and everyone's going to call you a expose to.

What an evil whore and bitch I was. And then killed himself. Sucks. Happy for her. Yeah. Yeah, good for it. 41. Good for her.

Gives me hope. It's fine. It happens. It's going to be okay. Sam Altman had a baby with a surrogate. I know that's the real story. He bought a baby on the internet. Why?

Why? What does he even want a kid for? I don't know. Honestly. Well, there's that big court case that's like coming up now about those like UK fags who like adopted a child to rape and kill him, which is like the conservatards like really love to like bang the drum on this. But it's not even that. No, it's not that deep. It's not that alarmist.

I just, what is he, like, I don't feel like he has, like, some deep, like, paternal instant. No, he just, like, feels like it's something that he has to do for, it's like a status thing. It's like Hillary having one kid with Bill. Mm-hmm. Focus on the AI. So she could promote her, like, fake family values. Let's try and get the AI better at the Scrabble, okay? AI baby companion.

Let's try and get it to stop. them, yeah, and then the thing, the only suits really against chat GPT are the, have you noticed how black people call it Chad GBT? Do they? Chat EBT? Because I think, yeah, because they are used to saying EBT, so they say chat GBT. Can't even Candidson doesn't. I almost, I almost just did it.

Chat GDP. That's why I thought about it. Fuck, what was I going to say? No, I haven't noticed that, but that's the main. What was I going to say? I forgot. Wait, I want to hear what you want to do. I know, it was something so good.

It was something about, I don't know. I did like the premise of the startup project that he unveiled while he was at Y Combinator after dropping out of Stanford. looped, which you mentioned. Which was like, what was looped? It was a location sharing social network. Let's just find my friends. Yeah, yeah, that's what it became eventually. Yeah.

And it was a novel at the time because like federal rules dictated that phone carriers could only share location data at times of emergency. And he like bypassed this and like struck sweetheart deals with like various phone companies. I mean, it sounds like a great sinister way to like harvest data too under the guise of like staying connected with your friends or whatever. It's also evil. I wish I was smarter. Me too. And like more just I wish I had like a corporate temperament and could excel. I know.

Well, yeah, I do think about that sometimes. But like then you realize that like if you were in that position, you would swiftly come to regret it and hate every moment of your life. I don't know. Maybe it would just give me like a good thing. If you were clocking in and having drama with Korean girl bosses. Well, no, I'd be the CEO, Anna. I'd be in the board room. I'd be saying, this is my company. Get the fuck out. You're fucking fired. Okay.

Just the structure of like, you know, it's nice. Just have like a third place to go. No, I guess the third place isn't your work. A second place. It's the Catholic Church. As they say in those articles. Well, the Catholic, yeah. But a third place is a place that's not your home or your workplace.

But I literally need a second place. I need a workplace. I need a place to go that's not my home. You're a place. in here, baby, surrounded by my weird inexplicable, like, five copies of passage

press Steve Saylor noticing Supreme Transformers Trot. Mango. Scarface poster that I, like, copped on eBay after going to the Russian baths for your birthday where they had it hanging on the walls. You got that from the Russian baths? No, I got it on eBay after seeing it.

Oh, oh, oh. Mango. Pictures of Lenny. Maddie's painting of people with AIDS Plaza, my weird Mexican ceramic of a scary like a Guatemalan

woman giving birth. Are you selling that jacket? Yeah. You want it? Maybe. I kind of want to buy a leather jacket. Oh, that shit is up for grabs. But I want like a big, maybe a bigger one.

Mm-hmm. Kind of that look. But once again... Well, that's a size of medium because Spanish sizing it runs small. Hmm. Yeah, I'm never, I'm not satisfied with any of my coats or jackets. Me neither. Me neither. They all fucking suck. They're not giving coat. I know.

The way that they need to be. They're like... That's a real existential threat to my identity right now, that I don't have like a single item. I got nothing to wear. skincare or clothing that I enjoy. It brings me joy. Nothing makes me happy. And I've been wearing a nupsy jacket for seven months. I know.

And it's cold now. It's cold again. It's 30 degrees right now and it's April. I know. And it just won't end. And I don't have a workplace. No, I know I would hate it. I would.

You would hate it. I just wish that I even just had. the temperament to like, you know. Have a day job. Yeah. Yeah. Or like, yeah. Just the thought of like going a place, you know, like getting up with like purpose.

Mm-hmm. Instead of being like. To make some Excel spreadsheets and to send some emails. Just, yeah, sit around somewhere. But like when you don't have that, you are just watching like the fruit slot. Uh-huh. And then be like, maybe I'll like wash my face. Yeah.

And then it's like 2 p.m. And then your husband comes home from work and you're like, then you're like pretending. And then I'm like sitting on my laptop in a different part of the apartment, like pretending like I wasn't in bed. And he's like, what did you do today? I'm like, just some work. How was your day?

Oh, I was working. I did self-directed research for my work. Hey, babe. I got you these Rhesus X. Oreo cups Because I love you so much And not because I have nothing else To do with my day

And I go from bodega to bodega Looking for the next hit Didn't get the laundry done today Oh I've been Steving on stripping the bed You don't even want to know I'm like Iola She has me blocked

Why? I don't know But would you do I don't know. I think I, I know what I did. I called her a fake sex worker. No, I called, I didn't, I didn't say she was enough of a whore. She's not whore enough for me. Well, Ava, whatever her name, Basmebel has a Padma for being a whore. You can't win. Yeah. No, I know, because I said I wanted to see a little more middrift. I know. Some people think that you're a Zionist. Lighten up. Some people think you're an anti-Semite. One man's Zionist is another man's anti-Semite. You really can't win in this world. It's called having a nuanced. It's called being a free thinker with nuanced thoughts. And people just don't get that about us, honestly.

My question, which really is above our pay grade and out of my league, is like, fine, Palantir or whatever. A company like OpenAI, what kind of services are they providing to the federal government to launch their offenses? in Venezuela and Iran, the kill chains. What does that mean? It's like, I read about this. It's but kind of forgot.

But it's like, yeah, the AI, like drones, like just, they're killing machine. It is like the military or whatever stuff is probably like beyond horrible. Yeah, the AI precision software targets Iranian schoolgirls. That, I think, a human being did. I think the AI wouldn't have maybe wouldn't have done that actually. But they should blame it on the AI. Kind of like I will blame all future racist statements on deep fakes. It's just, yeah, that's like the icky feeling.

Like no one's accountable and it's just like the machines. Well, yeah, I would love to see like a major legacy publication do a clear-headed investigation. of what AI is bringing to the table in terms of like military intelligence. But that's never going to happen. I feel like the financial times might have something like that. Yeah. I could read maybe.

Sam Altman. Come on the pot. No, don't. I'm sure. Tell us your twisted lies. Well, no, I would. Well, let's have some ngronies and just relax, you know. Let's take our minds off all this doomsday stuff.

Sam Altman is going to really love Mark Granz's Marinetti Bar and Social Club because they're known for their negronies. Okay. I really, I actually would love to meet Sam Altman in Peter Deals Hot Tub. I want Elizabeth Holmes because I think she's really got a story to tell. Yeah, sure. But I want to meet him Only because I want to see his like Charisma at work.

I want to see if he can sway me With his persuasive, like, lies and tall tales. I don't buy it. I'm not sure. But maybe. But I'm willing to be persuaded. Well, maybe he could entice me by telling me he'd give me a job at the office. Maybe I'd maybe I'd be able to get it.

Maybe I'd come in. Maybe I'd see you on Slack. He's like, see, you need to drop Glenn Greenwald and get with me. No, that's the real thing. It's like these gay guys just don't care about us. No. Well, Glenn does. To his credit, which is why I'm a ride or die.

Truly, I love him. Mm-hmm. Anyway. We'll see you now. See you in Peter Thiel's hot tub. Yeah.