Red Scare - Poddington

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

The ladies discuss NYT Magazine's latest contribution to dating discourse, "The Trouble with Wanting Men," and review Ari Aster's new movie, Eddington.

We all the things you said, all the things you said, running through my head, running through my head, copy. Copy. We are back. I'm not bloated anymore. I'm bloated for two. Just drink a kombucha. Oh, yeah.

How did you de bloat? Do you start taking it easy on the beer? Yeah, I instated a no drinking beer in the home rule. Smart. Because that was a big... Is that I love to drink a big beer? for no reason at home. Right.

And instead I drink a kombucha. Okay. And that has prebiotic and probiotic properties. Got health. Right. And then I used my red light panel last night, but I don't feel like I think it's too soon to tell. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Are you using the red light panel?

I don't have one. I need to buy one. I still have not invested. But that has anti-inflammatory properties. Allegedly. Yeah, yeah, I don't really don't know what I'm doing wrong. I'm not like, I'm just like to drinking two bottles of wine a day. I don't know what's wrong.

Complaining about. Is it PMS? Am I pregnant? Bloody all. I hate the feeling of being bloated. It makes you so irritable and like depressed. I feel like the mom from what's eating Gilbert. grape it's awful

like my tits are like flopping out of my bra which I guess could be sexy but it really just feels like squishy and disgusting like utterly demoralized yeah

they went to the gym finally after hiatus of a week and that made me feel even more bloated because when you lift it it's so hard The rest and recovery Using AI to optimize every aspect

Are you using AI to optimize every aspect of your life? Nope Are you using it at all? Nope I'm like barely going on Twitter dog It's an amazing tool I'm tapped out That's good you're not going on Twitter about

No it sucks It's bleak out there It's really unbearable I saw Perry Abasi posted like a hot bikini pick of me and I was like oh finally some attention and then I was like what the fuck I don't care this sucks I don't even give a shit about that but no I just have to take it easy and and to blow saw that there was a a hundred top podcast list from like a list of lies yeah no red scare no comment Tomtown. No Joe Rogan.

I'm just kidding. I totally understand why they wouldn't put Red Scare or a podcast called Comtown in the paper of record. But Joe Rogan, come on. That's crazy. I mean, definitely. And on a fuck. Reds. Come on. One hundred. Yeah. You're saying those 100 podcasts that are better than us. That can't be true. I don't think there are even a hundred podcasts. I know like everybody and their brother has a podcast. and there's like thousands of like low B literally who podcasts and everybody's always trying to start one even though like the moment has passed but like a hundred influential podcasts there's maybe like 12 15 um where are one of them two dope queens that's code for red that's like the black was on there yeah it's like the black girl podcast and i got like briefly interested in it because i was like ooh it's just some hood rats talking smack like they're on there like he ain't fucking you right he better be paying for your hair your nails your toes he better be bringing food for all your kids not just the one he have with you but you know it's not that it's not like baps or whatever it's definitely uh two girls who sound like briana joy gray and io aduburi or whatever a quickly lost interest they went to bard

Bennington One of those schools We was coming out of the Bennington project But yeah What is too dope queens I remember that vaguely I don't know if it's still Was Chapo on there

It has to have to have a fan I would assume so Like they have to be I'm not even saying that you have to like these podcasts Like you don't have to be a fan of like Joe Rogan experience but he's just unequivocally. Well, the list of, if it's measuring influence.

Yeah. Definitely. He's literally the most influential podcaster of all time. Yeah. NPR just shut down. Oh, really? Or something. Something else was in the news.

Yeah, I think NPR, like Trump pulled funding. Colbert. Yeah. Cancelled. I keep seeing all these think pieces. I can't bring myself to read that I know. know or like about how the landscape is becoming a harsh for center left comedians or but it's like no one was watching that show even my parents don't watch that show yeah

and I'm from a late night family yeah like nobody that all the they're all falling like dominoes it's like about time I mean no I get like how symbolically it spells the end of an era because it's fake that's why were we on about um it doesn't really matter i was going to talk about uh this great new app right right called tea yeah what's the tea on tea um what is tea oh t's like actually oh it's a like a kind of a social credit score system for men for women to like write right right men yeah we already have that it's called X no this is like only women can use it uh and then you can type in a guy's name and then see his reviews piece of shit he is yeah it's like china yeah you can see what his social credit score is interesting um and it's got men scared but the men

obviously like don't sign up for this no that they're just automatically in the data pool and their online histories it like publishes their porn search yeah it's in we're going to talk about this New York Times article. Oh, right, right, yeah. Called Why It's Hard to Want Men. Yeah, something like that. About heteropatilism. Yeah.

A.k. heteropessimism. They even have a term for it now, but actually the app that you wanted to talk about. Oh, yeah, it's called, well, I almost didn't want to talk about. I wanted to gate keep it. because I want them to paint me, but they should pay me anyway because I've got a lot of really good ideas

and I need more people to use it to improve the AI. Right. But it's called Alta. Maddie told me about it yesterday when we were hard at work on my D-pop store. And then I, it's like a closet. You put all your clothes in it.

You take pictures of them or find pictures of them online. Right. And then it like, well, it's a great way of archiving. And I'm sure things like this have existed before. And maybe there's even better versions because a lot of the functionality is pretty bad. But that's partly due to just AI, I think. Right. I have ideas, but if you work at Alta, you can reach out.

You can reach out. It's like A-L-L-T-A, like Al-T-A, like Al-T-A, so it's like Alt-O-T-A. Alta, yeah. It's a bad name. Yeah. Sounds like a dog breed. But I'm not in the tech space. But if I was Peter Thiel, I'd probably invest in something like this.

Sasha, there's your in. That's how you're going to get the teal box. Tell him about the closet. There's this great new app called T. You can put Peter Teal on it. There's an app called Teal that you sign up for. get teal money this sounds like some kind of like nightmarish app that gay guys came up with to um so disheartedly so discord between the sexes yeah like don't we already have enough of

uh women bashing men Jesus Christ I'm gonna download it and look up yeah our friends and family members it just seems like it's got to be illegal yeah Or like it's a loss, rather it's a lawsuit waiting to happen, I should say. Maybe not criminal, but definitely seems like a massive liability. Didn't we learn our lesson from the shitty medium end list? No. No, we haven't. We need to drive a further wedge between the sexes.

So they thoroughly hate each other? I think. Oh, there's apps for brewing tea. Such a boomer. okay so there is a are we dating the same guy yes you are which is you don't need a nap for that but then this is called tea dating advice I look up Riley it's like he's married he's gay I had a dream I have all these um not a ton but it is kind of a weird motif in my dreams or Riley will cheat on me

or reveal to me that he's cheated on me but the nightmarish part of it isn't the infidelity as much as he's like remorse he's super remorseless which like isn't really doesn't correspond to his personality at all but he's like and I'm not and I'm not sorry and I'm like all upset

and the dream and stuff and then I wake up feeling like agitated irritable how are they going to know how can they even verify that you're a woman can't men so true

okay everything is anonymous screenshots are impossible all women are verified oh you have to send them like a picture of your pussy they have to transvestigate you before they let you on tea exactly because otherwise you could just change your

sex on your ID it'd be too easy it'd be too easy to infiltrate and write like is what kind of guy has good review like who's going on an app to be like this guy's great yeah I hope he I hope he has a great I hope he has a really good life he's not at all a rapist I want this person to be happy no it's going to be like scorned ass bitches like jean whatever her name is e gene yeah well the woman who wrote that article's name is also jean um and she's written yeah she wrote a creepy article i guess she has a twin yeah she wrote a piece in the new yorker about how she gave her twin away at her wedding that was like about twin i didn't read it

oh that's so fucked up and dark so she has like a normal well-adjusted twin yeah um it's gonna be a bunch of no man ass having fives and six is digging up dirt on the hotter girlfriend's boyfriends. What a nightmare. I had this with, should I say I'm single? Yeah, you may as well. Right. Yeah.

I had this like with my kid when I, when I sent him to daycare. I was like, I need a credit score on how much of a piece of shit my kid is. No, that there's like an app that you have to download at the school. and they just like give you like minutes of the day it's like meetings you know they'll tell you like what he ate what he drank what activities they did post a bunch of photos and I was like nah nah nah I'm paying you to take care of my kid while I work aka return videotapes and play on my phone yeah and like you don't have to inform me like keep me abreast of the minutia of the day I trust you and I don't want to know.

They do this through an app? Yeah. And if a teacher has to write down. Yeah, upload all this shit. No way. And if there's like, you know, some CCTV footage of some like Chinese or Haitian teacher like wailing on him, then I take him to court or whatever. But like, this seems horrible. Like I don't want to know anything about the man I'm with.

I don't care. Don't care where you were born. Don't care what your parents do. Don't even want to know their names. don't care what you do for work as long as you have enough money it seems just awful it seems like a terrible idea yeah like why would you want to like voluntarily go on an app and trigger yourself like sigh up yourself into

I mean there's so little with Yelp at least there's some like pro social incentive mostly people will overrepresent their negative feelings online in general but at least like yeah um anyway the app's been great because i're like digging up dirt on riley he's like he went to his church group meeting two hours ago and did some woodworking in the studio a piece of I have to make an anonymous screen name and I put evil woman, but that one's taken. So now I'm back to the drawing board. I'm pausing.

Or that nasty woman is taken. I'm going to start a T profile just for fun. That's what I'm doing. It seems like a good use of our time. It's a spy. But first you're going to want to get on Alta of clothing app and take pictures of every single item of clothing you own and upload them. and upload them and then it'll AI generate outfits for you based on you also put in your profession I keep changing mine because it's give it kind of gives you different looks based on

what it thinks your day will be yeah it's like the kibbi app or whatever it's obviously if I think for more professional women right like girls who shop at Eritzia who already have a really easy way to style themselves yeah I was telling you it like reminded me of like the You can put all your Eritzia clothes in there and it'll mix and match them. Carousel with the screen that Cher had in Clueless or she's like, ooh, like pushing buttons. It's exactly, it feels exactly like that and it is, it's put me in such a good mood. Yeah. And I think it's going to help with my online shopping addiction.

That's what you think. That's what I think. Because the AI is. This is like when they hand out needles and crack pipes to drug users because it's supposed to be a... Literally, I wrote down, gay little outfits are like heroin to me. I love... I have, like, the female autism of, like, category... Like, how I like to categorize.

And then... But then I'm always convinced that I, like, need something else to make a new cute look. But the truth is, I have mostly everything I need, almost, if I just can buy one more thing in it. But it's not really about having the things. It's about the package coming in the mail. Yeah, the Lacanian object, do whatever. Just get a box, don't ever open it. And then sort through all my clothes on a digital avatar that looks like elephant.

standing instead of me. That's like a pog. It's like a really fad ass. Yeah, I'm like, this looks just like me. Alta, I need an outfit for my next dick appointment. Make it snappy. Today, yeah, I was like, my computer got fixed finally. So I was like, I'm going to the Apple store.

And it was like, it gives you like, it's like, it's slop, you know, because it uses the same like stupid AI like you know it's like here's your uh grand central glow outfit or your like apple store diva outfit and then i just like don't i just wear like a long sleeve t-shirt and some clogs anyway look like a school shooter oh man i don't care but again yeah they're not i'm not receiving ultima let me get ahead of the alter money and say that they're not paying me but they really should because i could just i have ideas i'm not even going to say i must have saying i'm for free sorry um let's see God, I really

I just, I wrote See Your Clothes in a new context An Underlined Contacts The Context The context of your phone Yeah See your clothes on the screen See your clothes in an even more depressing

And weird light Take your clothes from the floor of your bedroom To a cold blue Smartphone screen and then imagine what it would be like if well you know i was so anti-a-i for so long yeah and i still do you know think it is satanic so to speak you know um and there's something like evil in it but it's not the most evil it's pretty when mike sernovich was like sounding off about metal and how his parents

never listened. RIP Aussie. Yeah. My parents never let me listen to it. Bro, don't don't stop. Demonic state music. You're an idiot. You don't know what you're talking about. Aren't you a white, a white man? Have some pride and self-respect.

But no, there's a lot of far more demonic things in this world such as AI and social media. Like being a demon and Twitter is way worse. I'm listening to heavy metal. Being a Twitter addict. I'm like listening to discordant sounds to an electric guitar.

I know. Well, Cerno, you know I've been against him since he was talking about sleepovers. He was countersignaling sleepovers really hard. He's a weird guy. And I'm like, love Shauna though. Yeah, God bless them and their family. I feel bad that he doesn't let their kids, his kids have sleepovers. To listen to metal or go to a sleepover.

The meaning of pain. They can't listen to the brain bombs. They can't fucking go to a sleepover and watch a beheading video. Yeah. But you don't even have to. Bro, you're not even having. You're not even screen maxing your kids on beheading videos. They're going to grow up to be pussies.

I mean, sleepovers are of, formative. I get where he's coming from, like, statistically, they are maybe the most likely to get molested or be exposed to something, you know, bad at a sleepover, but that's part of life. Yep. Not that getting molested, ideally, you know, you can take the proper precautions, but you've got to take a little risk. That's what it means to live. Don't let your kids sleep over at poor people's houses. If you can, I mean, you know, a lot of people don't have that. luxury in it. Like, I'm dropping my kids off to get dick down.

I, you know, I spent, I had a lot of bad experiences at some poor kids' houses, but. Same. Made me who I am. So, what? A lot of strange, racialized activities that got me into noticing at a young age that I would prefer not to repeat on this podcast. I mean, even when. I lived in Section 8

Housing. Yeah. I was... Oh, you did that? Just going to talk in black roll. Sorry, mom and dad. Yeah, even when I was on the block. I still...

There was a lot of white kids around. Yeah. I hung out with white kids primarily, especially because I was foreign. Yeah. Like, it was, yeah. Even they didn't want to hang out with me. Yeah.

like a weird and had like um as i was eating weird bag lunch with like sardine sandwich and like get away from you weird freak i'm diasporic mm-hmm that's my app what diaspora what is that i don't fucking know just that app called diaspora and it's a place where immigrants congregate that's a good idea uh that's called twitter also to build a vibrant sex positive community I want to get on tea but I can't think of a scream name we'll get there you can do it like tomorrow when you're

not podcasting and or drunk I'll report back for sure I'm gonna do it too just because there's some some guys names I want to plug into that's what I'm saying yeah I'm not not the guys you think though I bet no one we know is even on it yeah I feel like it's very though because yeah it's mainly for like

dating app users you know who are circulating in sexually available economy and so they have exposure to different people yeah

and that's kind of normie behavior um um but I'll be curious to see. Should we talk about this New York Times article, or should we talk about Eddington? It's up to you. It's like dawned on me that the theme of this podcast is the way that people torment and punish one another using language and pretense.

Like politics, ideology, therapy. speak I mean enlightenment empathy like the kind of like subversive genocide yeah and like

below the surface ways that people holocaust yes this is the big theme of Ariester's work by the way is like everything having a kind of covert

emotional and psychological valence. I feel like the real through line in his work is his hatred of women. And white people. Like, he has a very ordeal of civility thing where he, I don't think he's, like, super, like, conscious or intellectual about it, but he, like, like, midsummer is literally, like, you know,

in the first paragraph of his, um, speaking of sleepovers, like, in the first paragraph of his, um, his, New York Times profile where he was like, you know, I'd go over to like the, you know, goy kid, like the white kids' houses and they were so wholesome and so sweet. And I was like, this is so scary and uncanny. There's something like percolating beneath the surface and it's actually evil and da-da-da. Well, Midsomar, I learned from the New York Times profile, though maybe I knew this prior, was finance. by some Scandy Institute oh so they had they stipulated that it be a folk horror

I see because they're self-hating communists but they also part of it was that the American tourists die right he had kind of like guidelines with mid-Somar interesting I don't know yeah I don't think he came up sort of with the idea of Scandinavian folk horror. He's a subversive Jew. He is. But all that said, I actually just like am a huge fan of Ariaster and think he's like smart and interesting as a filmmaker.

I was thinking about how like you can't really appraise his films. Like I say that literally with like every time I say something mean about somebody, people are like you're a fucking bitch and you must hate them and every time I say something nice about somebody they're like you're kissing their ass and pandering and it's like it's the other way around when I say something nice about you it means I hate you and think you suck and when I say something mean about you it means I have like an affectionate sense of respect for you don't get it twisted this is how we you decode yeah but I love his obsession with human psychology and human nature because I like share that with him and I think that there are a lot of like ulterior motives that

people trade. He's a great filmmaker. He's extremely smart. He's just smart. He's like literally there's no smart filmmakers like you and Arias and all retards. There's there's no other filmmakers who have like the young filmmakers, let's say, like under 40s or whatever, who have, um, a strong sense or like understanding of human nature. I, that can't be true. I mean, we don't know them, yeah.

And there's some old timers, you know, that are out there still doing their thing. Yeah. Mostly in continental Europe. Hanaki comes to mind, even though he's like a woke tart, but one of my faves. I mean, I do love Bonillo. Yeah. You know, anytime I say something nice about someone, people say, she's just trying to get cast. And I'm like, I'm.

You're like, that's only half true. but I mean acting sucks yeah it's really hard it's super duper hard no but you have to go you know it's like you sin it's it's not I'm not dying to

act and if you're not like a movie star which also sounds like horrible in its own way it's extremely boring yeah I can imagine yeah and it's a lot of like

Hurry up and waiting demoralizing. Everyone uses you like some kind of you don't have any subjectivity. You're just a play thing for some director to tinker with.

Yeah, totally. Someone asked me if I was allowed to call Ariaster a subversive on the podcast and I said like, hmm, hmm, well, I'm going to

plead the one-eighth rule whatever like the hood passed but yeah yeah i can because it's all love i mean it in a nice way as he should be yeah yeah no he i mean i think he's talented and funny and i like what he does and i was thinking about like the last two movies we reviewed um which were nasferatu and anora and with those movies you could watch them and definitively say like i think this is good or I think this is bad like depending on what your subjective like tastes and preferences were

with Ariaster movies like you can't really do that yeah I mean some might and I guess he has his detractors yeah because he says in that profile which is a real they're really

glazing him and the who whoever is publicist is doing a great job. I know. And he's like, oh, in the profiles. Oh, I, oh, wait, they. I really, I really hate talking about myself. I'm just a lowly

hunched over a Jew who happens to make film. Who me? It's not my fault that all my friends love me and want to talk about me ad nauseum. Can I, um, it's, you know what it is? Can I read the Orson Wells quote about Woody Allen? Yes, yes. It's the

Orson Wells quote on Woody Allen. He, okay, first, yeah. Oh, I'm so neurotic and hypochondriac. I hate Woody Allen physically. I just like that kind of man. I can hardly bear to talk to him. He has the chaplain disease. That particular combination of arrogance and timidity sets my teeth on edge.

He is arrogant. Like all people with timid personalities, his arrogance is unlimited. Anybody who speaks quietly and shrivels up in companies, unbelievably arrogant. He acts shy, but he's not. he's scared he hates himself and he loves himself a very tense situation it's people like me who have to carry on and pretend to be modest so true king so true so true it like yeah that immediately came to my yeah i like arreaster is arrogant he's arrogant he has course he has drive he has vision he knows what he wants he can extract that from people yeah it's not an accident that he's

yeah and I fully believe him that he feels uncomfortable and uneasy talking about himself maybe to a journalist when you know you have there's you don't trust them and are anxious and scared generally already but then you send in some viper writer to profile you and you don't know what they're gonna you know run with and like A couple of years ago, a New York Times reporter probably would have written something very different about Eddington. Exactly. Yeah. So true.

I was reading that profile and thinking of the Orson Welles, Woody Allen quote, I found that it was also making me sort of like irritable and annoyed. Like, this is, like, can we just drop the weird Jewish pretense? Like, this is a puff piece because you have a publicist. currently engaged to promote your new movie. I know, but it's also not his faults. Speaking from experience as an acclaimed filmmaker. No, as someone, yeah, who like, when I had a publicist and I had to do these old profiles,

I, my guard was down way too low, frankly. But then, but he really don't, like, they're crafting a narrative. You can't, who was it who said that you can't trust writer? Joan Didion Sylvia Plath's mom after she like threw her under the bus

I think Joan Didion said yeah that you should never trust a writer and that part of the reason she was so successful was because she was so petite and unassuming yeah and so she could weasel her way and get people to let their guards down

but we really like you know he has very little say about what actually gets transcribed and you just especially when they're shadowing you which it sounds like they were vaguely and they talk to other people not me dear friend of Arias

but other you know you get a black guy you get a woman did they have a woman in that propo Tony Collette oh right right I want to talk to his mom yeah I want to talk to his mom who messed him up so bad

well his gave him a Freudian drummer and his mom is a poet poet poet well when Lenny gets his New York Times profile 25 years from now is he a genius

that's what they'll say about us his dad was a drummer and his mother was a poet his mother was a wordsmith of sorts his mother was a poster she coined the phrase

Dattany the vest Which hasn't really taken off. Since then her life went totally down and she was ejected from a bar and ended up living on the street sleeping in her Rachel Comey puffer park in the end.

I read that part and I was like damn they really crank these shoes out in a lab. It's like everybody's dad was a drug. oh yo daddy a drama too oh your dad likes jazz so does mine right but he says of his detractors

why can't you just fucking like it which is relatable but also you know that's how it works I mean he's like self-aware enough to admit that like he wants people of course to like and even like love his films

and he wants people to think he's a genius right obviously yes i mean his core construct the reason that he's like um ambivalent about decisions and quote lacking in confidence is because he views other people with contempt because he knows they're stupid and he feels guilty that he feels that way and he's correct in thinking that they're stupid that's Woody allen's problem too these guys are smart

they get it and everyone around you is just like a Norm Groid NBC and you have to like schmooze and mingle that's that's really what it is it's like you cannot acknowledge as Orson Wells could for example because he was less neurotic and had less of an internal monologue running at all times that you simply do not respect most people yet you crave their acceptance and approval you hate yourself for wanting

And you love yourself. For wanting men. I mean, that's really the narcissists. Delam. The ordeal of the narcissist isn't loving yourself. You know, very rarely. Is there like a grandiose narcissist all at Orson Wells? Yeah.

Who feels like he's burdened by even pretending to be modest. Yes. And not even very well. but yeah most people are covert as you like to say and so they have a fundamental ambivalence because they hate themselves but are obsessed

themselves yes which is a kind of love yeah when they hit you with like the DSM like textbook definition of narcissism characterized by egocentrism grandiosity excessive self-love it's like it's not excessive self-love it's excessive self-reoccupation

occupation in either direction very often you like toggle between extremes but um the jays have really mastered this craft and made an art form of it i say that like in a positive sense like i'm such a woody allen head same well that's part of the ordeal yeah the insider outsider status cutting everyone else down to size yeah the nebish anxiety mm-hmm i mean it is but he just played up by him or the writer whichever problem construct whatever you want to call it is that he understands that he's literally smarter and better than everyone else and feels a tremendous amount of guilt over it whereas a guy like orson wells would simply just be like yeah dope i don't know he spends a lot of time with actors yeah and you know they had walking phoenix

love him to death, you know, he's chiming in. But whenever there's this like director-actor-actor relationship being discussed, you're, you know you're about to hear some of the most annoying shit ever to go down. I'm happy for you or I'm sorry that happened. They just enable each other's like worst, you know, they're like, he, of course he sees how brilliant I am because I understand how brilliant he is and we just, we're like, we're locked in together, you know. And I know that he, you know, he isn't like a recluse. He's not like Todd Solens. Oh, are you asked? Yeah. No, he'd be sitting, reading his book in the park. I see his ass. I'm not going to docks his location, but.

No, he's at the restaurant with the guy from girls. We'd be running up on him. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, fine. He's around, you know. and actors are some of the stupidest people. What? He was up at the restaurant with the guy from girls. Yeah, we were there. Hey, you guys. So nice to see you. Hope all is, I hope this finds you well.

Perth. I like Ari, I think he's really, you know, I mean, I gave him a lot of, whatever, I'm not going to, I'm not going to. Don't, dear, don't blow up your spot. I just, I gave him notes on Bow's Afraid. Uh-huh. Very thoughtful. Uh-huh. No, and I know, I understand.

No invite to the premiere. damn i saw chloe cherry up in there damn like was she giving you notes on bo as a friend she was giving no not even not even because it's also just some publicist fucking list i don't expect him to be like micromanaging and like making sure i get invited somewhere because i told him some of my great thoughts one time whatever it doesn't you know I don't think he's a genius I'll just say it but I don't mean that

I think that's a good quality I don't think he's a genius either and I don't think anyone I think if you really think it through if you really iterate it through you don't want to be a genius exactly I grew up with a genius

that shit was hard you don't want that it's torture I am a chance. It's the worst. It's the worst. It's the worst. It's much more fulfilling to be like a higher midwit who's good at what they do and pleasant to be around and easy to work with and has kind of like strokes of genius. Everybody has strokes of genius, by the way, even the most retarded people.

he's going to make like a ton of more movies I don't know why these Autur boys are so like fixated on being seen as like great geniuses I mean It's such a male trait Yeah it's their ego and it's like they just have this idea And he's like living the dream more than You know

A lot of filmmakers That I can even think No one really else is coming to mind who's like, I mean, he made, like, elevated horror. His shit just keeps making less and less money. That's because it's getting more and more expensive. Because he's getting more and more license and more, you know, he's going to get to fulfill some, like, epic cinematic vision.

Yeah. Because he's going to get to. He's going to make megalopolis too. Yep. He's going to get the press that says he's a genius. It's going to, you know, I get why you do, you know, you get the press. that says you're a genius. Oh, no.

So I'm like shouting. No, it's fine. I think that's like Leia stomping around upstairs. His dad was a drummer. His mom was a podcaster. His mom's podcasting partner. It was like cackled in his house. His films have been increasingly brilliant and decreasingly profitable.

We should get that guy in the pod. I thought of actually tech. texting him and asking him, but I thought it would, honestly, it would scare him. It would scare him. And I didn't want to even, like, he would actually drop his act of lacking confidence and being low self-esteem and truly feel that way and be like, I don't, yeah, I don't think he would want, want to. Should he ever come on the pod, I don't open invite, but I don't want to talk to him about

his movies. I want to talk to him about. mother his mother um his ordeal of civility uh whether he prefers mGMt or crystal castles that kind of thing just a couple millennials chopping it up yeah no i don't know i guess he's probably done like some a 24 ass podcast definitely um but yeah i don't think he i want to make him sit in the cock chair in the office hot We're smoking cigarettes. You can't breathe.

Literally, my asthma's acting up. My allergies. Well, there's, yeah. I mean, in this one and Bo is Afraid, there's similar, like, there's scary vagrants. Right. There's kind of like blonde,

blonde, scary young blondes that are like nebulously desirable. but also horny, yeah, yeah. And then... Shiksa. Yeah, and then horrible mother, you know. Bo's Afraid really is about, like, having a devouring mother, they call it. I, unfortunately, like, I had this, like, great inspiration, ambition to watch Bo's Afraid, and then you informed me that it was, like, three hours long, and I was like, nah.

But I read the Wikipedia. Nice. And it's, like, about how a guy's, like, routine and casual life spirals is horribly out of control. and there's some severe head trauma which seems to be a recurring light motif in Ariaster films as it is in Ennington and I was like oh wow this is like some guy actually made the Louis CK bit movie about a dude whose life gets like progressively worse with no redemption art yeah I like his bleak outlook yeah I like that kind of like self-deprecating humor that's like universalizing versus particularizing in nature.

Right. There's no one, no one's like, there's a protagonist ostensibly, but not like a heroic one. Yeah, I also like how the Jack Mason review of Eddington. Was this about how you can see his hog and ball? Joaquin Phoenix is, yeah, like full frontal penis. He's like the girl in the New Yorker or whatever, New York Times article. who's like, I have to pull this quote. So, no, I'm sorry, I've got to read the quote.

It's so funny. So it was like in some Hobbesian state of nature, she would bow to the prettiest penis. Yeah. Oh, here. Privately jokes aside, I'm quite susceptible to penis. Like, I worry that in some hobbsian state of nature, I might just automatically kneel to the prettiest one.

This bitch is the worst writer. I feel like my haters on Twitter, I'm like, you're 40 and have a kid. Sims meme, psycho. We'll circle back. We'll circle back. We haven't even really. But I love that Jack Meta memed the fact that people want to see Dick Am Balls.

Well, that people have grown accustomed to his reviews having a mention of like male full frontal dick and balls. And then I watched that part and it's like. I'm going to spoiler it. It comes at the very end where when the Joaquin Phoenix character has become like a vegetable due to like a horrible violent progression of events and is wheelchair bound and living in some like track housing or whatever with his mother-in-law who's become his primary caretaker and a male home health aide who she's having a bizarre. sexual relationship with and he's being like the aid is picking him up from his wheelchair and putting

him on a toilet yeah it's like one of the most unsexy depictions of male dick and balls which are unsexy to begin with when you like see them in a non-sexual context all of those like cele nudity archive sites hmm are always so make me feel so gross because it's like a lot of like nude scenes and movies often are like like kerry mulligan in shame is like you know she's on like mr skin or like fat bellow and like jacking off to like just nude bodies that are like in context very sad yeah and that seems really broken but yeah to think that there's like a gay guy watching that seem being like oh look at is a fucking dick it reminded me of the time that like I

barreled out of the home in the a.m. to get a coffee and the like the famous homeless guy of dime who beat up that gay guy once and it was like on flyers over he's on the loose he's straight out a a a a aster that yeah he was like laying on um those crates that they have outside of like the watermelon slushy bodega with his like flaccid penis out as if he had just jerked off and I was more traumatized like I've seen like so many dead bodies here after the pandemic speaking of which just like dead crackheads laid out in the street like

nobody calling the cops it's like really depressing it's like gauze out here but it was like so scandalized by seeing like a vagrant's flasked a dick first thing in the morning there was like flies circling oh yeah that's I'm sorry sorry that happened I should gum it now I remember when my mom used to call me up in the early days of the podcast and be like you girls are so amazing let's see I love what you're doing can you guys cool it with the dick sucking references you're vulgar and trashy and I'm ashamed to know you know it was disgusting and depressed i never want to see a man's penis ever never in a in a non-sexual context i mean i i appreciate the male form not like quite as much as you know

that brought over in the new york times but yeah like a dave hawkney line drawing like a taints Anna's cracking a window Um Um One of my escaping out of the window Like those sewer juice

Anna where you going I think Well Aster's obviously very gifted as a filmmaker technically he has incredible attention to detail always according to that profile

he like lines up all of his own shots which I don't know how that would mean you probably know more about this that's not like super unusual he doesn't I bet Kubrick did that Kubrick famously was like very difficult

you know yeah in exacting but like why would you be as a filmmaker like well some people are more collaborative sure like I'm not that I am in certain ways but you know I kind of yeah but especially me if I was really trying to like realize a cinematic vision maybe I would be more sorry we we should talk about the movie because we've spent I'm trying I'm trying to track we've been like trashing Ari Aster's character and personality no no know we love them to death um oh but like i noticed even bo's afraid was very did make me feel very

immersed in fear in like a lasting way and i like did think of it often um and in this one even when i like went to the bathroom like the people around me like chattering and stuff like it felt you know he does have this way of like depicting reality as this like smothering kind of misanthropic thing but it's very subtle and nuanced and I think with this movie you really get two movies in one in one because there's like a first half that I liked more and a second half that I liked less Jack mentioned this well I didn't I disagree with Jack that it's too soon to make a movie about COVID? I don't, yeah, it's a weird, it's a weird premise to make a movie about COVID because

I think like the fact of the matter is that it's an episode that is very foggy in all of our minds and that we've all repressed even though we remember like the lockdowns, the vaccines, the weird and arbitrary rules and regulations, the way that they were suspended without notice for the BLM protests. I honestly found this film a little derivative of the code, which also takes place in the Southwest during COVID. And it's about people going on at the phone. Well, that was the best part of the movie for me was the way that he,

seamlessly integrates people playing on their phones. Because with most movies you get either this really weird anachronistic vision where no one's on their phone or it's like you're like in an Elliot Gould like 70s like crime drama or whatever. People talking on landline phones

or like you get like weird some stylized like bubbles on the text that aren't even really what the phone looks like. And it was like the most smothering element of it was how all these people were living in bubbles and then like retreating to their phones. Yeah. Because I think like the thing with COVID,

like I was, I watched a Hunter Biden interview with this guy, Andrew Callahan that you like sent me. And the guy asks, him like was 2020 the year when the world went crazy and Hunter Biden actually had a pretty good answer for that he was like no the world's always been kind of crazy but it's like when we call the world's always crazy when you were smoking crack yeah this mixed up world yeah I was really taking notes during that interview I'm going to start cooking crack when he starts I saw the

clip of him talking about crack I was like wow he's like I don't want to put any positive ideas in anyone's heads or like my own or like trigger any euphoria on my part and I was like... He's like a genius of smoking crack. And he's like... The oral fixation when you hold the tube up to your mouth. Remember he was making those paintings too

where he was blowing paint out of a tube? No. He had like that art show. And his practice is all all involves like... Oh, he just like me for real. He's like a fail son with an art show. That's so cute. No, it's...

It was really, like, remarkable and psychedelic and oppressive the way that, like, Ariaster depicts how, like, we're all constantly on our phones. Yeah. Yeah. I think, like, nobody really has, like, a totally clear picture of what happened during COVID. Even though, obviously, we've, like, intellectualized it, theorized it. Like, we know that there was, like, a lab leak and a series of cover-ups. And I thought it was really brilliant to set it in, like,

a small town setting like as they point out like this is weird because there's no COVID reported in Sevilla County but all the typical dynamics that you saw in the big cities are playing out there too which like you know it's like the Victor Schloffsky makes strange the mundane so walking Phoenix is the sheriff yeah of this town and Pedro Pascal is the mayor Mm-hmm. Who's kind of like a Justin Trudeau style. Yeah, he's like a libthard technocrat in the mold of like Gavin Newsom or Kathy Hockel.

He wants to build a data center. Well, yeah, the data, okay, I didn't understand what happened with the third act. Yeah. And conclusion of the film where then his mother. in-law was then involved with the data center yes yeah which didn't I mean I guess I just felt kind of couldn't stupid because I was like no no you shouldn't it's like it made no sense it didn't really makes the whole thing was about the kind of emotional and psychological subtext of pulsating yeah the physical housing of the data but then also

they phones. Yeah, and there's like a good quote from Martin Scorsese about how Ariester externalizes the emotional violence between things. It begins in like May 2020 in this like southwestern small town and then there's like all these different dynamics. There's the rivalry between Joe Cross, the walking Phoenix character and Ted Garcia, the Pedro Pascal character. There's like a love rectangle. between the one like hot serviceable blonde girl in the town and these three guys kind of random boy yeah the son the mayor's son Eric the son's best friend Brian and like the young deputy Michael who are all like vaguely involved with her there's like the crumbling

marriage of the sheriff and his wife played by Emma Stone which is accelerated by the fact that like her crazy, like, conspiratorid mom moves in. My quam, my big quam with the Ariester genius allegations is aesthetic. Which is what? Say more. In this one, Emma, the wife, Emma Stone's character, she makes these creepy dolls. in Bo's Afraid there's this kind of like

magical kind of like theater home stitched it's hard to it's a little like Tim Burtony yes it's a little like

there's just always some and a lot of his movies and this is just a personal thing and it's but it's something that's like I see reoccurring in his films that it just feels a little like angst-y

it's almost like his Jewish vision of what white people be like they be cutting yeah and it's like the wife Louise is makeupless and depressed she has like the Etsy business of making like sewing doll

like weird creepy dolls that have like panty hose or whatever one of the best parts of like the depiction of like how thoroughly like data has infiltrated our lives is like um how increasingly intrusive and sinister it's become in terms of like just people like casually filming each other in order to like cancel each other for online clout. Like there's always somebody in the background whipping out their phone.

to monitor like thought crime like at the grocery store at the BLM protest like everybody has their phone out there's the the Austin Butler character Vernon Jefferson Peak who's like this online self-help grew in the mold of like a Russell brand like rocker vibe covered in tattoos yeah who has like kind of like a molested and incoherent cultish world view these yeah he like claims that his father sold him to like a elite pedophile cabal and he was the only one to like he was the only kid to escape they were like creepy bohemian grove yeah um child sacrifice ritual yeah and he like basically parachutes into these like people's lives and steals louise from joe by pretending to be into her like arts and crafts um it's implied that she also was maybe molested and then or she

it's well it's interesting she leaves because she uses her unlocked repressed molestation memory basically has a pretense to leave her husband for another guy no no because he says she was raped by Pedro Pascal yeah but she doesn't want yeah she doesn't want the yeah she's and he's like clearly like a dark triad personality a la Andrew Huberman Pascal no the the influencer guy oh yeah And he's, he's possibly a Fed. There was a part where he talks about his dad being a civil engineer in D.C. And working for the government. And he talks about, like, when he died, my brain reset or whatever.

It's like very fed-coded. I thought the dynamic between the mother and daughter was very relatable. Like the, the schizotipal, extremely online mother yields a depressive malcontent daughter who's, like, constantly bedridden. And the mother was very well depicted as being. this like extremely like um intrusive but still recessed character like there's that scene where he's talking to her through the i mean once again i give a masterful really well making and i did like it well you mean the one he's talking to her through the screen door and then the mother's like

you can't even see her because she's like a shadow in the background but she's talking and you can always kind of hear her talking yes and it's always this like conspiracy curatorial idol chatter that's this very psychological feeling of like a matriarchal longhouse and overbearing female presence that's like illogical and chaotic but like ever looming and petening yeah it brought me back to being raised by yeah and you have all these instances of like people basically like controlling and manipulating and punishing each other using these arbitrary pandemic rules they're both

like minor and major like that the opening scene where the cops and masks are like flexing on the sheriff because he has rank over them but he's in their jurisdiction like gray area the city council meeting

that takes place in the bar with takeaway drinks only while they're trying to keep out the vagrants yeah the people like filming and clapping for in the grocery store and for the BLM protest

like just the family's being cooped up in close quarters like during quarantine everyone like hissing six feet at each other and then like so like Joe and Ted Joe starts to so he starts a mayoral bid yeah he's running for mayor because he's in opposition to yeah they're like locked in this permanent standoff that um culminating with Joe announcing his mayoral bid because Ted's term is about to end which makes his wife

unhappy yes and then she leaves after he implicates her in his attempts to smear yeah he calls Ted a sexual predator has like poorly attended town hall

like the Greek Mexican restaurant Ted's an interesting character there is a point where I think Joe accuses him of like not challenging the catch and release policy of the governor who he's beholden to which makes it hard for the cops to do their jobs and apprehend criminals and retain talent

his campaign ad is about fighting the pandemic and quote racial and economic inequities then yeah you find out that ted basically has like a history with joe's wife because kind of like it turns into like this very opportunistic me too arc yeah that didn't feel so significant if it didn't seem that important like they would have could have had the same conflict that they did yeah without even without the wife who like there wasn't that much emotional investment in any anyway yeah like you weren't like rooting for their marriage yeah but the like the idea is a um tat like you know it's like how they say that there's like three sides to every story it's like tad down plays his

involvement with louise and claims that he never touched her even though she became pregnant and had to have an abortion. But none of this is really, you know, it seems that the mother in that situation also is a big, you know, that Louise maybe wouldn't have even... Yeah, but then, like, Joe claims that Ted is a sexual predator, which is also clearly not true.

And that prompts the wife to leave him. Probably it was some vague, like, misdirected, like, puppy love playing that it's, like, very unclear. the BLM scenes were like very obvious but very funny and that it's like mostly white people protesting the systemic racism and police brutality and they're like yelling down the black cop who's like literally one third of the police force because there's three of them um right the recurring joke of something being on stolen land.

Yeah. It was quite funny. Yeah. And yeah, I don't agree with Jack's critique that because we haven't had like meaningful justice with COVID that it isn't up for like being made fun of or. Well, yeah, I think it's actually kind of. like bold and brazen to make a COVID movie before the body's even gotten cold and like

I mean Eugene Colorenko did it first just saying but like you know like yeah movies are in development for years so he must have hatched this plan while COVID was still raging or like right after no he Bose I mean maybe I'm sure he's got a lot of irons in the fire or whatever the saying is but Bo's afraid came out post-pandemic so I think it was made or at least written with some like hindsight um I mean it's been five years which is great it's like when Hunter Biden is like I've been sober for six years and I'm like doing the math like that can't be true there's no way um the racial dynamics were depicted well in the sense that like um

they were totally fine and normal and everybody got along and it didn't occur to anyone until BLM came to town. Yeah. And they started realizing that like blacks and Hispanics are actually antagonistic towards one another. I thought it was also brave to write, like set it in a real, maybe not the town, but at least like the setting was, was realistic and the events were real. They didn't like come up with a fake disease. that's supposed to be coronavirus they like are dressing and because fundamentally i think films should be contemporary and eddington was successful in that which is major because most movies are just

slop yeah that like feels neither here nor there or like take place in kind of like uh i mean we we promising young woman comes to mind, which we reviewed. And one of the things that really bothered me about that was that it took place in this kind of like any town USA. It was like super vague. Yeah. And then just had this like a veneer of like ideology over it that didn't really ring true or make any sense. And this because in part like the ideologies of the characters are so incoherent felt more realistic yeah well it's very clear that like nobody really has any politics and nobody stands for any like people stand for nothing they're just doing what is socially and professionally expedient for themselves and like getting out petty

grievances against their neighbors I like the subplot of Brian Eric's best friend um becoming a BLM activist for some pussy and he starts like aping their rhetoric he's talking like challenging institutions dismantling whiteness and not letting whiteness reassert itself to his parents at dinner and then the dad goes like are you fucking retardant you're white um and then later after he takes credit for um you know becomes a key a hero in the final act um Kyle written house style and becomes like a written house style right-wing influencer. Yeah. Or like whatever influence.

Yeah. He leverages it. Yeah. Into a social media career. Yeah. And there's that part where he's giving like, it's not a eulogy, but at the other having some memoriam. Mm-hmm. And he says that as a white man, I'm going to sit down and listen as soon as I'm done making him.

Yeah. And there's just, yeah, there's just jokes like that. that feel that land yeah I mean the view of the police is like broadly sympathetic and that they're like depicted as like bumbling but well meaning

yeah like local guys who aren't total monsters yeah that actor from Yellowstone who I love which one the other cop guy oh he's hot

he's fucking hot dude you should watch Yellowstone I want I've been missed Yellowstone's over I want to watch it I've watched so much fucking Yellowstone What's that actor's name

Look at up He's sexy There's a lot of sexy There's a lot of sexy guys On Yellowstone And the Yellowstone Spinoffs Interesting

In 1923 there's a really hot guy Wait let's look this guy He's like my type of guy that sandy hair Luke Grimes He's not really my type of guy But I because I've formed such a I actually hated him on Yellowstone

And was always telling Riley How he was a snake and a coward and stuff Because of his character But then Seeing him again After not having Seen Yellowstone in a while Because it's over

I was like It's like seeing an old friend I was like, it's my friend from Yellowstone. I've never heard of before. I felt really bad because I was like watching the movie and I was like, oh, that like blonde white cop

who reminds me of so many former BFs is hot. Well, he also looks hot in a police uniform. Yeah. In Yellowstone he's kind of wearing like medium flannels and stuff and looks kind of like a frugre.

Sandy blonde pig. he's probably not fat he's chubby he thick I'm gonna look him up on tea later January 24th 1984 American actor and musician

does gay country music whatever he's awesome well cast he gets blown to bits spoiler the other cop the black guy

who is the ex-boyfriend or love object of the blonde BLM activist? Yeah, but it's the best part, not the best part, which is the people playing on their phones, one of the best parts of the second best part is how ambiguous all the dynamics are because it's unclear like who's lying and who's telling the truth. And he, like there may or may not have been some fling between these two like attractive young people but he denies it and then they try to frame him

I thought the film was gonna go into some like gay like Jordan Peel territory where they frame the black guy for the spoiler all this culminates and should I say this or not you've already kind of given some spoilers

I think it's okay it happens pretty early yeah I it's like a two and a half hour movie it's long but the but it doesn't feel so long. It felt pretty long to me.

Really? But I also, my attention span is cratered and I was like going on my phone. And I went to see like a 10.30 screening. I dropped the baby off at school and caught a matinee. Took my white ass to the matinee. There was literally three people in the theater. It was like me,

some random Gen X white guy and some random Gen X Chinese guy. And then this bitch walked in with a personal pan pizza and sat right next to me. And I was like, what the Are you at AMC? I was at Regal Essex. And they have pizzas there. I guess. They have sliders at AMC.

But like that I don't understand. There's like two things. This there's two things that make me like question like people's judgment in general, which is like one when you're like in an empty movie theater or like any empty like communal space and you choose to sit next

to another person instead of like taking a whole row for yourself like that's weird and then the other thing that I've noticed lately is that like you know there's a lot of vagrants out and about and people will plop down on the bench next to like a passed out homeless person and like sip their boba tea and go on their phone and it's like what you're not afraid that this person's gonna like jerk up at any moment and try to like kill you jerk off yeah like why would you do that i understand if it's like a crowded train but yeah no i don't know couldn't be me there was a woman sitting in our i saw a later matinee like around 2 30 um but there was a lady sitting in our seats and we just sat in different seats yeah you don't even care now but then some guys came and

we were sitting in their seats so then you know but we i feel like that's part of the social contract is like if you even if you have an assigned seat you can sit somewhere else to give people like some space yeah in a totally empty movie theater she was like which i think it goes without saying those people would prefer. I don't think that's like antisocial. Yes, you would prefer you would prefer to create some space between you and total strangers. And then I, I like debated in a weird like Woody Allen or Ariaster S way, whether I should inform, like, I'm going to be on my phone because I'm taking notes for my job. I was like, no, this is gay and cucked. I'm just not going to say anything. She doesn't care. She doesn't care. She

I was going to eat a whole pizza. Crazy. Psychotic behavior. It is crazy to eat of pizza at 1030. Everything else is... Everything else aside. That's just... That's why.

That's not the way to jumpstart your metabolism. Like a cold glass of lemon water or whatever you're supposed to have. But maybe she wakes up really early. Maybe she just got off work. I mean, yeah. Maybe she's working in the night shift. Like, I guess the other thing is, like, Ted is vaguely left-coded and Joe is vaguely right-coded. They're, like, blue-red, but kind of, they're not, I wouldn't even say it's so vague.

Like, Ted is doing the bidding, right, of the, when they're in the grocery store. Yeah. And he's like, it's not mandated. And he's like, there's a, whatever, you know, they're like, there's these, like, litigations. mm-hmm um and ted is very much yeah i guess kind of corrupt and then which is implied by him getting this gift from the governor yeah it's also not super fleshed out but he's not even corrupt he's like just suggestible and opportunistic which yields leads to corruption yeah like most corrupt politicians yeah he's not immoral he's just amoral which is possibly way worse and then you

have this picture of Joe as being this kind of bravely suffering every man, but he turns out to be a total piece of shit too because he like assassinations Ted and his son in cold blood in their home while they're like playing on their phones, which was really dark. That was like, it made me realize because I have this thing in my head that I like just hate violence and gore in movies, but that's not true because sometimes I see violence and gore and I'm really keyed up by it. I just hate free for all misdirected or undirected violence

and I thought the scene where Joe assassinates Ted and Eric was brilliant it was good and great tension you know

you do think it's the black guy because he gets sent the photo of the girl which is yeah it's all very like opaque but you are like as an audience member again really good like sequencing and pacing I just and I like even in in the profile when he says like why can't you just fucking like it's like it is it's annoying in part because it's like okay well people are going to engage critically

yes and unfairly they're going to have their own opinion with your word conclusions yeah And, but I think it, he does have kind of like a populist impulse where he wants to make movies that people like. He's not trying to like punish or he's not too pretentious. He's just kind of the right amount of pretentious. Yeah. But he still wants to like make movies that people can enjoy. Yes. Because he's a covert narcissist who, um, wants, uh,

the approval of others but resents wanting it uh no but that part for me was like really kind of like sustained uh directional whatever and then the second half of the film like devolves into this like blowout it gets a little absurd yeah when there already is so much like quotidian absurdity yeah there that's very strong Yeah, and, like, I think Jack's take about it was that it devolves into like a kind of like generic anti-woke slop. I didn't really see that so much as like he couldn't wrap the film up. One of the most redeeming things about Woody Allen films is that the piece of shit bad guy villain gets away with it in the end. But at what price?

Sometimes. Yeah. but he has a lot the great thing about Woody Allen movies that he makes one every year so they're all over the place yeah it's like real diminishing returns up in here you know he's had like phases

in his career and like even now there's like some good ones some bad ones some charming ones some you know but I think Woody Allen is a genius he is yeah and that's not because every single

one of his films is perfect because like when you look at the and I actually think Orson Wells is wrong um and though Woody Allen is arrogant it does take a kind of like um confidence to be so prolific that's kind of like untimid and not like Ariester's acting like what Orson Wells thinks Woody Allen has like. Yeah. Well, I think, no, I think Orson Wells is right about Woody Allen's like personality and character. But he's also saying it because he's just jealous because Woody Allen is such a good filmmaker.

Like I recently watched Matchpoint and Vicki Christina Barcelona back to back after like not seeing those movies ever for many years. And people were like trying to get me to watch them. And like, whatever. And like even those, they're like kind of like late career. whatever, like, there's not movies. I love late career, Woody. I love like, no, I know. I was like, oh my God, these are like amazing.

There's dope. Like the, um, what's his name? Like the NPC like narcissist Jonathan Riss Myers' character. And match point. Yeah. Yeah. Who's just like the most awful garbage person ever.

Well, he's also not like, he's not too arrogant to not just do crime and punishment. Blue Jasmine, another really good one. That's just street cart named Desire. You know, he wears his influences on his sleeve, but then has his own spin that he puts on stuff. I was thinking maybe me and you

could take a trip to Barcelona. Oh, we should, yeah. To make a podcast called Anna Dasha Barcelona. Yeah, that's so good. Because it's about a blonde and brunette. So true. When I was watching Vicki Christina Barcelona, when they were like on the,

it was like, um, Scarjo and P. Cruz on the bench. It's like, oh, this is like Red Scare Popper. Any time I see a blonde and a brunette. This is taking me back to Mahal and Drive. Scarjo is a really nice. I love when she's got the platinum. Yeah, she looks really hot.

Penelope Cruz looks really hot. Like all the women. He like frames women in a way that's like extremely flattering. He loves women. Yeah. clearly yeah one of those epic lovers of women and not pre-pubescent children of all time and it's like all the women in his films like with all due respect are like five foot four and 120 pounds they're not um not me of pharaoh yeah that's true not me of pharaoh who's in

quite a big number of his movies but generally speaking like the yeah the women in his films are like normal adult women who have a certain beauty to them because they're normal adult women some of his movies are about attraction to teenage women but some of them and husbands and wives

true and probably some others but then he's got a you know mighty Aphrodite's he's in love with a hooker but actually these Jews want to be like all neurotic and they like to theorize intellectualize problematize their sexual attraction, but it seems like Woody Allen's attraction to women is like pretty wholesome and

normative. He just likes all different types of women. I think it's not normative. I think it's cerebral, but that's okay. Yeah, maybe. You know, and in that way he is able, that's why he's able to depict women so well because he like is effeminate. Fundamentally. Woody Allen to me is like he exists in like a Trinity with like Witt Stelman and Eric Romer where they make like kind of quiet, sedate, sober, word cell. Well, that's not even really fair. Civilized. Because he was making the zany stuff in this.

Yeah, but ultimately like that's what he's settled on because that's his milieu. And that's like. The night in Paris is fantastic and non, you know. Yeah. It's a magical realist film. ostensibly. I'm telling you he's all over the place and it's because he makes a movie

tries to every single year and he's just driven the way that a genius is. Well I was kind of worried because okay so Ozzy Osbourne died Hulk Hogan died and you know these things tend to come in threes so it's like who's next

Woody Allen or Clint Eastwood like some boomer legend well I won't know I can say this now with full confidence and not cast the Armenian curse because there was a guy who died who people were talking about called Chuck Manjone and I was like oh is that like Luigi's dad but apparently he's some kind of like jazz trumpeter or trombonist who was talking about it he was everywhere people really love this Chuck Manjone guy who I've never heard of but he's the third oh okay so so Coast is clear so Mark rat is almost over in like two weeks It's like four more weeks somehow. There's going to be no more like Boomer Legend deaths. It's the longest Mercury retrograde ever.

But I think I'm, there's a new moon I heard. Yeah, Leo Moon. We should pivot to this article. Oh, yeah. Instead of randomly talking with Woody Allen movies. I like the most. Yeah, we can pivot to the article. which is, you know, it's like an Ariaster film.

It's a nightmare. It was so hard for me to read. It says so little. It says nothing. That's the worst part is that it truly says nothing. The trouble with wanting men. It describes a very particular social phenomenon that is being experienced by this woman, the writer, and her anecdotally.

her friends where men are ghosting them or it's like yeah it's like this new pov essay about what it's like being like a single early middle-aged woman in like the Brooklyn libed hard scene and and basically her the TLDR is that men are flaky and non-committal as always by the way they're down for dick appointments but they don't want to like lock it down and they've started using therapy speak about how they have anxiety to get out of like commitment and conflict um they can't just say i'm just not that into you which would be indelicate uh but they can't do the noble thing and just ghost you and i get it this is understandably very maddening and frustrating and disappointing for women well she says uh i keep encountering and hearing about men who quote can't

have these men not heard of quote don't want to and it's It's like, yeah, they don't want to. They're telegraphing it to you in what they think are delicate and elegant terms because they have a image of themselves as being good guys that women, like you promote and encourage, by the way. It's nicer for them to say they can't because they have anxiety versus saying, I don't want to because you're not hot enough. Yeah. And now that she's written the story and published it under her name, she's never getting a boyfriend again.

I'm going to read this. Shouldn't have opened up that marriage. I'm going to read this tweet by My Fitness Feelings. That was the best summary of this entire thing. Entire class of behaviors has emerged over the last 10 to 15 years among urban liberal men, emotional avoidance, rejecting LTRs. I guess that means long term. relationship. Transgenderism, etc., which are all about finding ways to punish and frustrate women from within the longhouse. These guys are like the ultimate cucks. They're cucked

by women in society and they've adapted by depriving women of their attention and affections. It's very obvious. And it goes without saying that if a man ever uses anxiety as an excuse for why

he can't see you or commit to you, you should immediately stop sleeping with him. and should probably just like never speak to him again. Yeah, she transcribes the text and several others in which she's sort of describing

right. We all know that emotional labor but then there's a hermeneutical labor. Yeah, they have all these like where women are more obsessed with their relationships than men are and are analyzing them more and then they're burnt out they're tired girl from trying to get these men to text them back because he ain't bringing food for all my kids just for the one kid that I be having with him

well that's yeah and then it's all described there's yeah it's like there's tons of like diagnostics of like broader gender relationships that don't actually really graft on I feel and to the like the reality like maybe for exactly like this subset of like a like elder millennials who are reeling after the divorce after their open marriage which is also psycho and I which is something that I'd like to get back to but there's this whole like emerging pseudo academic journalistic field that's like a scholar devoting to griping about it the sexuality scholar Asa Saracen the writer and gender scholar Sarah Ahmed the philosophy professor Ellie Anderson I would like to believe there's

something purposeful resistant even radical in the heterophatilist mode but the more I voice it the more I'm inclined to agree with Saracen that it can produce nothing but more of itself they keep coming up with more terms to like theorize their cope normative male alexathymia hermeneutic labor like all these like insane terms for the obvious the one thing that really stuck out to me is that Um, you know, she's, so she, she tells a story about going on a date and then, um, the guy hitting her with, I was really looking forward to seeing you again. He texted me the following week around lunchtime, but I'm going through some intense anxiety today.

I need to lay low. Sad face emoji. Totally understand. I replied, but I didn't feeble, fallible, looking forward is not longing. A man should want me urgently or not at all. looking forward is also totally manipulative. Like he he's keeping his options open even though he doesn't really want you. And the way to win with that is to just not respond or to playfully call him a faggot or a retard.

And then she tells the story of like her friend who's seeing a lawyer who's great in person but takes like a uncomfortable amount of time to respond to her texts about plans. And when she finally confronts him about it, he says that. it got him thinking that he doesn't have the capacity to take whatever they have to the next level to which she responds I wasn't looking to escalate I was just looking for clarity

wrong and finally he punishes her by saying her communication skills are too disparate for them to continue dating and like of course her friend group is like all these chicks were like therapists or historians like

who think they own sex in the city. Yeah. And she thinks she's Carrie Bradshaw, the way she's weaving these little, oh, she's like, you can tell she's so proud of herself when she's like coming up with that part of the Hobbsian state of nature and that she's got these annoying ass. I just know if I was a man, I would ghost her. And you knew that some woman was going to write a substack about you?

You would just fucking ghost that shit. I would vanish from her life like a ghost. I wouldn't even send her the. like maybe text I would just absolutely I was really looking forward to taking you out to get some Ethiopian but

I'm suffering my you're making me anxious because you're a weird bitch and I'm just like so anxious right now and so she and her woman friends like get together and gab about men and how shitty they are which you know we'd be doing in our

of course we're all doing the hermeneutics is a thing. But what's so remarkable about this article is how they take the anxiety excuse at face value. I know. They're like, of course he's anxious, babe. Yeah. Of course he has anxiety. He said one of them a therapist who sat across from me at the restaurant. That's life.

That's being alive and knowing and going to meet someone you don't know well. Yeah, said the woman beside her, historian. It's called sexual tension. Stay with it for a minute and you might get some. Like, how are these women even employed? They're so delusional. like he literally hates you and doesn't want to see you again but is a coward and a cock and is keeping the options open because when he's really down bad he might want some pussy but like he doesn't he doesn't like you he thinks you're annoying he knows you're going to write an article about him he definitely these men are clearly lying yeah about like and it's like okay like

after everything is said and done like feminism won because it tried to make women equal to men and it succeeded by making men into women. Nietzsche talks about this. Because they use that language of empathy

and compassion and therapy. And then it's you've got them trapped. Well she this isn't an, okay this part is okay is if the experts the experts say my romantic letdowns have some larger social significance I'm not going to argue

the men I want are not wanting me badly enough not communicating with me clearly enough not devoting themselves to me all this certainly seems calamitous enough to war in an ism me me me me I thought that part is ironic but it's not no the whole thing I'm like she is it kept getting more and more like being self-aware and parading herself it's like an ariaster film like no men are what is rotten in the state of straightness and why shouldn't we have an all-inclusive of byword for our various pessimisms about them. Domestic pessimism. They still do less of the housework and child care.

Partner violence pessimism. Femicide is still gruesomely routine. Not among you or your cohort or anyone you fucking know has ever been femicited. Yeah, that shit happens in Hora's Mexico. It happens to TikTok influencers who are like, fuck cartel members and then end up making like a snuff video on accident. Erotic pessimism. The clitoris and its property still elude.

many of them that feels like anciently that's like don't no they don't they just don't want to when yeah I feel like that was that's something women were saying in like the 70s they're like oh my clit first of all disgusting I would I know it's too gross words it's so fucking gross to even just include increased stigma around female orgasm yeah we should so true but like men no where the clit is where the clit is they just don't care and the petulently proud masculineist subcultures that have arisen at least in part as reactions to these pessimisms keep coughing up new reasons to fear rage against and complain about men but those men are not the men my friends and I are feeling bleak about it's the sweet good ones damn it that's such an insane paragraph

where it's like we're going to throw racist right wing men under the bus for being for expressing toxic masculinity but actually and the whole problem is that

the men that she's encountering aren't toxic enough to be upfront to be honest or committal so they can't do anything

thing so then they because they don't want to be toxic uh-huh because they've been told by women who have like the fucking culture in a vice crap they have it by the balls yeah literally that they need to you know signal and behave in these ways yeah which is like mutually cooking Now these bitches are unhappy. So basically these men are like French bulldogs who are taking a shit on the side of the curb while the owner looks away. But actually the owner is not looking away. She's like angrily scolding you and writing about it on social media. Well, then she writes like longingly about some, well, the guy she broke up her marriage for.

Who met her child? but wouldn't commit to her and they go on like lunch dates or like play dates in the park with a child no no no she was alone and texted him Jay Jay yeah but he does it's unclear if he's met her child no he did there was a part where they

they sat like much later where they sat in the park with a child and he like gave her notes on her essay oh that was no I think that was another guy maybe another guy but he was like oh you're flattening the men too much or whatever And then after she rips her life apart to be with Jay, who doesn't want her, which she kind of tells her, then she, there's just way too many, like, lengthy asides about different men that she goes on dates with who are, like, don't like her at all. Don't really like her. That's the funny thing, because she doesn't want to have group sex or is too needy. Yeah.

And then she describes, yeah, like a real thing, which is, like, is summed up basically in, like, anger. anxious and avoidant personality types and women just tend to be more anxious and men tend to be more avoidant but there's it's true the way i do it yeah that's like there's women who are mad like i've maybe never said i can't like do a relationship but i've said like my life's crazy i'm suicidal so i can't have a boyfriend right now babe i've just queued up all these dick appointments, but it's not of your business because we have to have boundaries. I'm reading the Bible right now. So I'm not going to be available for dating.

The glaring thing that you notice about libt hard men and libt hard women is that they simply do not like the people that they sleep with and couple with. They hate each other. And like, okay, like I was going to be like, oh yeah, like you should, I was going to like flex and, you know, do the yellow sundress, Evie men. thing and be like, oh yeah, you should just get like a racist right wing boyfriend as all of my boyfriends have been. But like that's not true. That's like gay and pretentious. Obviously like dating

falling in love is like fraught with error and failure. Just like by nature and people again want to like introduce all these like contemporary explanations for it like oh like social media porn addiction whatever. It's just very hard to find someone. who you vibe with and it happens maybe two or three times in your lifetime and the problem with like therapy rhetoric is that it makes it impossible

if everyone is engaging in some kind of like therapeutic program to have expectations of people yeah but you have to because you have to you know be boundaryed and also respect others boundary and you know you have to fill your own cup so you can give more and you know like there's just all these ways that have to drink your own cum so that's so you can come more but no we'll have

come up with all these ways to like avoid responsibility like the responsibility this woman had to her husband well that's the other thing that she's completely blind to it's like now she's having like a karmic retribution. Yes. Where she's going to realize maybe she should have fucking stuck with her marriage. Yeah, like tried to make it work. I mean, like, I don't know the details. Yeah, but it's like, okay, but he was probably exactly the same as any of these other guys.

I don't, yeah, just more cuckable because he married her. I don't understand, like, I don't know the details of their marriage, but like the divorce is sort of a given and sort of like unnecessary even when you have an. open marriage with a child. It's also like perverted to bring a child into an open marriage. And she's like completely like lacking in self-awareness where she doesn't realize how she's like a horrible narcissistic monster

who blew up her marriage for some guy who wasn't that into her. It's like hanging out in Park Slop. It needed to be blown up so she's trying to just stay friends with him. Like hoping he'll want her enough. I guess she doesn't she hasn't demonstrated like good character or judgment or like what man's is going to want you I mean that's not like severely mentally ill or has like a

personality disorder yes that you're like cucking your husband with yeah that you're who hasn't even made you any promises yeah and I I understand like I sympathize with her position that like women in general or put in this bad position we're making any demands or asking for any clarification as like ground for dismissal and they have to act like they're like above it all in like good sports and whatever but you have to like ask yourself also like these women they have this idea they want to be in a relationship for the idea of being in a relationship but they have no sense of what purpose a relationship serves or like how to be of service or how to be of service this is classic home math stuff too

where people are overestimating their own value and so they're she needs to watch some home math YouTube she needs to PDFs I can send them to you girl actually I deleted them because they were taking up too much space on my computer like your storage is being depleted but like I said I'm just going to say like repeat what I said on Twitter and I was like okay yeah these men are all like disgraceful like live. uptard cucks, but they're not stupid. They know that the woman is not really interested in them, that she's not of value to them, that she cannot love them, but that she wants to be like narcissistically gratified by

them in some capacity. She wants that a man is like a surrogate or an accessory. So where is the incentive to enter into the relationship? Plus like none of these women or none of these people seem to want. want kids, which makes relationships mostly pointless. People got really mad at that and like, okay, like they took it as like a kind of overly negative or pessimistic view of quote relationships. But I think it was like truly like a well-meaning attempt on my part to get people to think through what they want. What the project is? Yeah. What are you doing this for? Yeah.

And it's like, okay, like I understand there are couples who like can't. have children. I understand that there are gay couples. I understand they're like golden age couples. Like there are various reasons why people couple and spend time together and love each other. No, companionship is its own thing. But my general feeling is that if you are young and healthy and heterosexual, um, there's no point to having a relationship like the ones you see young, healthy heterosexual people having all the time, which is like, okay. you like cohabitate for five to six years you maybe get a fur baby the whole thing implodes in a cloud of resentment because like neither of you want kids like there's no point to living with some dude

for five years I mean to each their own some people just do like the nobody nobody likes some people want to be part some people do like being partnered and are able to have good relationships without like the stress and prospect of like a family but it's that's just a contemporary condition that's still basically bad i'm very sympathetic to like like we're all like this like none of us are it's like universal hunter Biden whatever as soon as i finish uploading every single item of clothing i own to the alta app i'm gonna have a baby i just need to get some product i need to do i gotta get some stuff out of the way but even like you don't even have to like people always like oh Anna you're like on your high horse and being like a moral fag and like

you hold people who don't have children in contempt and think you're superior to them that's not true um don't care but like just you have to have like a a vision or a purpose for your relationship other than being the glorified roommates for mad long I mean yeah that's the sad that's you know it's not for everyone but the sacrament of marriage is virtuous yeah it's a good healthy nice normal idea to yeah it's kind of late it's free lindy and it's frankly weird to blow up your marriage well that was an open marriage in the first place to well because it wasn't really open it was like she probably pressed to open it because she wanted to

fuck this guy J and then she got attached to J because women actually aren't hypergamous like Andrew Tate says like women actually do pair bond typically with everybody pair bonds the most they don't want you to know this but it's true like literally true

I think men pair bond less than women that's not true on a dwarken ass tip I think because they're not having their body like penetrated maybe they have a different like it's ontologically different for them to have sex they have they are they want to not like yeah they are able to have sex and not necessarily feel as pair bonded whereas like I think any we're kind of healthy woman you know the Bonnie blues or whatever exempted

they're an aberration even if you think you're like chill and you don't you're not going to catch feelings it's like once they hit the back walls you're you know you're like I wonder if he'll be my boyfriend and I wonder if and all the stuff that she kind of says about how they're actually

like men are anxious because they think women want them to commit to them yeah but actually they only think that women think that they want and it's like no no no that's not true women just want you to commit to them women want you to commit to them yeah to want them just want

BF. 100% for sure. They do not want to be in some gray zone situation should forever at all. But I'm just like, why would they? I'm just trying to do like a community public service

which is I'm trying to tell young women that if a man is running game on you if he's not committing, if he's keeping you in the gray zone citing anxiety or trauma or whatever, faggy like lived hard therapy speak, he's learned by observing you, you will have greater success

by icing him than you will by being a persistent, needy presence. I mean, she gets at like something like this with the female pushing men withdrawing anxious avoidant dynamic

but she doesn't flesh anything out fully or take it, implicate herself in any meaningful way. Well, she has yeah she suffers from like a terminal lack of self-awareness it's like frankly shocking it's such a long essay too and then

well the worst part I'll read it even I'm going to pee real quick okay is there a vague right yelling I think so someone's shouting anyway what was the worst part there was a lot of there was a lot of like horrible

so I found it all sex in the city was one of my favorite shows but clearly very damaging to a whole generation of women and I'm now I'm watching and just like that and to see them all now like post menopausal is and the quality of the show is so much more like out it feels like someone with dementia wrote it and there's all these like it's it's a nice piece of like experimental television. It's a fun thing to watch on an airplane, yeah.

But, yeah, she's clearly very, like, Carrie Bradshaw brained. Yeah. I've been wearing a tool skirt that I bought on eBay that I love. But sometimes I am like, fuck, I feel. I'm like, Carrie Bradshaw. Yeah, it's like, okay. Anytime I'm smoking a cigarette on the New York streets, hailing a taxi cab.

wearing some an outfit that's a little extra i'm like carry fucking bradshaw and the real thing with alta the ab is that you can put all your shoes in it but you can't really wear all your shoes you're going to wear the same shoes yes realistically all the time so they should adjust for that but anyway okay back to the article so one of the guys she goes on a date with oh who she has sexual chemistry with. I forget which one this is because I just have a screenshot, but she says,

um, he told me to slow, so it really makes my skin crawl. He told me to slow down. He needed time to get a better sense of how I work. I lay back to murmur, let him try stuff and he warmed, warmed to his own control,

putting his mouth right up to mind, then pulling away when I tried to engage his tongue. Oh. I see what you. are he said finally pinning my forearms you're a bratty sub amy terese he held himself he held himself there just out of reach breathing on me i like to make you wait he said and then the whole thing wraps up with like a recall back to that part where it's like gender relations have changed maybe for bad maybe for good either way they're going to make you wait

like oh and just like that I felt so bad that that's worse than rape it's it's bad I would be so insulted if some guy like a quote made me wait during the sex act I mean like he's like performing I would feel worse as a man if a woman wrote about that kind of like the game I mean trying to you know oh and that I didn't even screen cap this he's like trying to buy himself some time so he could maybe get hard because he's like not that into you he's like chill chill chill yeah I'm trying to figure out how you know you got to watch porn on my phone discreetly got to figure out how you work babe some lethario some fucking then then there's a part that I didn't even bother to screenshot because it grossed me out so bad but she um

is rambling about how she has like masochistic sexual proclivity like she's yeah whatever welcome to being a woman you're like automatically a bottom yeah yeah you like to be physically dominated by a man who he the hobbsian experience of being obsessed with penis he pinned your forearms down I think like words like penis and clitoris are like deliberately off putting because they should not be named ever they're clinical like we should never speak those words unless you're a doctor yeah or performing yeah and they're like howling mutant you have like late stage HIV lesions on your penis or clitoris um no they're i hate like i feel like i feel like i need a rape shower even like saying those words on this podcast all of it every description every like

descriptor she you know when she and the other guy or listening to Weezer and laughing. Yeah. And you're like, have you ever thought of the fact that if you like didn't do like the, the daily show Pod Save America? Like recall. Like recall.

It would actually like probably go a long way to normalize, uh, male female relations. Like if you left some mystery. It's, it's like, um, I saw a Twitter take to.

today about how cameras have become so high-res that you can see like every pixel so like things like SNL performances or like Grammy performances just look like corny and cringe they're like lacking in mystique that's what happens also to the gender discourse when you constantly like do like Bart Simpson like melting pizza slice meme moratoriums on your sexual relations in a paper of record it's literally it's worse than rape to like publish an article about somebody about sexes yeah it's like raping it's worse than raping them honestly obviously not like violently rape stranger raped but whatever like gray area rape people talk about acquaintance rape it's acquaintance like diary yeah

veiled as a, like, human interest article. Well, I, the thing is, like, I worry about libtards because they seem so, like, out of touch and not self-aware. But, like, actually, the kids are all right because, like, human intuition seems to be the same as always. And, like, which is that these people should be avoided. Yes. And, like, again, these men suck and they're weak, but they feel something instinctively. Mm-hmm. which is that you're a bratty sub.

Get over here, you bratty sub. And don't text me again. And by the way, I got to go. And I don't even like you. Oh, are you a masochist? I hate you. You stupid bitch. Well, this is such a type, too, of a woman.

I feel that's like, is the like divorcee a diarist confessional writer yeah you know who's like ruined her life yes who lacks like emotional restraint or personal discretion it was like that other i think it was in the new yorker it was about there's always there's always some woman they're trotting out who had like an open marriage and then she writes the same exact the same exact thing happens every time yeah where they have the open marriage they start to covet another partner romantically and decides to get divorce. Yeah.

Always every single time. Because they don't want the open marriage. Yeah. They want to leave their husband. Yeah. But you know how women are they're very passive, aggressive, and can't ever accept responsibility. So they like force the issue and like.

And they have some therapist or chat GVT. A mediator. Telling them that they're valid. Yeah. Their feelings are, you know, that you actually should prioritize yourself, which is like dead wrong. handle this with the grace and gratitude that you're known for. When did men get so anxious about desire as the therapist?

And I said, I didn't know. Yes, you do. My friend said it was when they were put on notice that they can't get drunk and grope us. Okay, yeah, that's like half true. Me too was sort of like the final nail in the coffin for gender dynamics. But like who started it and why? And I like, I hate to dredge up like the old, the OGRS take. But it's like.

Well, she's copping to that. Yeah. is she like yeah it's like it is very like as cap put it on twitter it's like very like watered down like five years too late like red scare takes um but like yeah it's like okay yeah you you conned yourself into thinking that you were responding to male aggression and hostility when you were really like lashing out at male passivity and indifference and now you've made the situation worse because you're writing articles in major publications and going on T app to give men sexual credit scores fuck dude

that sucks I wouldn't want to get out there either yeah I don't want to be with any of these studiously irreproachable male helplessness yeah they study they learned it from you but it was men who dropped the ball in the first place by letting these women get too big for their britches yeah by not like beating and raping enough just by they like something the they I don't know how it got so bad but I was listening to

Dave Blunts on my way over here and I was thinking about you know like he's got I'd love to read a like a think piece from him about how he has other he had like everyone's got problems yeah Like, he's got girls who don't love him because he's obese. He's got girls who only love him for the fame. Yeah. He's got girls who fuck his whole crew. Like, he's got a whole different, like, these, like, like, males and females. Yeah.

Have problems. Yeah. And the one thing that's true is people will find ways to write confessional. To cope about the problems by, like, blaming the opposite sex. but it really starts you know it starts with you if you're dating a guy who is with you while you're in your open marriage

and he's non-committal you have to think about the part that you played in seeking out someone that wanted to be with a married person she essentially also copse to this at some point where she's like yeah the dynamic was ultimately convenient for him

yeah and like the dating like I get like the dating discourse itself is so um toxic and retarded but it has a lot of viral potential because people love reading about things that are relatable to them or make them mad or make yeah because they're relatable and it's always like dating discourse is less interesting for what it says about like um the gender war the battle the sexes and more for like what it says about like just like the general non-gendered mechanics of like human psychology and social media what passes even as discourse I think is telling yeah yeah there used there was a point where there wasn't so much like confessional writing being passed over over as journalism by like using fake academic terminology.

Jargon. Yeah, to like describe terms or conditions. So I'm unhappy and dissatisfied in my personal life. And instead of taking action, I'm going to consult a sex theorist or sex therapist who's going to come up with some like weird like pseudo academic jargon term to describe how men are naturally avoidant and non-community. communicative in relationships. What else is new?

Yeah. When I could simply just try to do the opposite of what I'm used to doing. And not and be like a cock my husband. Yeah. Or just look outside of my usual dating pool. I think her being a twin is very telling. I haven't done a deep dive. that's one thing I noted and twins are fucked up yeah they are yeah well and yeah it seems

like the other twin is like private and well adjusted unclear who cares yeah but she's not she's not like a journalist who like live streams her sexual confessions so gross so gross and like pathetic and dark and there was some sex in the city there was like some right wing and an account that like found um a relatively flattering photo of this woman from 23 and was like well okay like you're like a divorced single mom who's pushing 40 uh it's over for you you've hit the wall and yeah i don't know it's like not not true no no but um no it's not that's that that's also like that that's also like like too like um canned and performative it's just like fake um it's too easy to find a picture of a female

journalist and say she's ugly of course she is yeah that's why she's writing yeah it's just it's not that she's ugly I'm sure there's some guy who would find her like um totally hot and appealing it just she's like annoying and has a bad personality and I think even in her like presumable aloofness men can probably read that she's, like, needy and clingy for all the wrong reasons. Yeah. Like, whatever. It's a mess.

It's just, like, horrible. It's just gross. But it's like, yeah, okay, like, you know, like, dating, the relationships suck to some extent because, like, not even because it's, like, a sexual or gender thing, but because you're, like, dealing with another person that you have to, like, um, compromise for Carrie Bradshaw was the villain you have to all rewatch sex in the city

and see Carrie as being treacherous villainous selfish bad friend she's like con like you know she's a great character a great female anti-hero but too many females are out there like find her like inspired or aspirational or whatever but it's like because they think they can live in a huge

fucking apartment and be a sex columnist yeah not in this economy babe no no I'm got to be a podcaster you got to do well she is a podcast in a small apartment and just like me um no it's like okay like obviously it's very hard to find happiness in this life as hunter Biden points out human experience is united not through love but through pain so wise king yeah the other when I was watching that interview I was like holy shit like this is such an obvious insight to have was like oh like the Irish curse that we speak of like the Kennedy's the Bidens like just like these big Catholic Irish families where there's just like a lot of like death and tragedy and towards. Worma, the Irish curse is just intergenerational alcoholism.

Just being an alcoholic, they're all alcoholics. They're like Russian people. Do we have any more alcohol? Yeah, I have a white call. I'd love just a little more alcohol. But that's true. I mean, the Russian, you know, all the great Russian novels

are basically about the brother, the brothers caramaza. Yeah, but dude, I've saw, I've sought that. history of the Irish curse. It's not supernatural. It's not a cult. It's not some kind of like Gerordian thing. It's just you all you poops or alcoholics. Addiction. In Hunter's case, the crack was electrifying. Yeah, but I love how he said that alcohol is much more dangerous and fatal than all of the drugs combined, which is so true. and he was like yeah with crack cocaine like it's like totally healthy and clean because you're burning out all the charities it's actually better the healthier the cocaine which intrigued me i have to pee really quick oh yeah go but we can we can do a wraperoni yeah well wraparoni when i get out of the i don't think i have any more like glittering insights about this article other than that like okay you're never going to find happiness in this life but that's not the point. But that's not the point. But the way that you approach contentment, all like sexual and gender stuff aside is that you start treating other people as human beings.

You start thinking about... Which means like self-sacrifice. Yeah. Compromise. People call it settling, but it's really not. And you have to just see other people again as as the themselves as subjective, autonomous human beings versus extras or characters in your biopic. I mean a good empath exercise. I think is to not just see people as human beings, but to sort of see them like for who they were as children. Yeah. Like at some point every person was like innocent.

and damaged by this fallen world. And like if you can really do that and that's really hard to do, especially like on a day-to-day basis to live with, to like look at people with the kind of like love and empathy as you would a child. But it's like that's like that's why it's a practice.

You got it. You know you have to like. But part of that implies also setting boundaries when they do you wrong. For sure. And when they hit you with. that I've had low-grade anxiety all day. You just, like, don't respond.

It's not, yeah, he's said... Or you make a joke. I mean, I've said this before, but I... People think ghosting is bad communication, but I actually think ghosting is really good communication. I mean, I guess it depends on what stage of the relationship you're in. Like, it's actually good and noble to ghost in the early stages, but kind of creepy and maladjusted to do it when you're like two years deep like hey baby i'm leading a double life i'm gonna go

get some cigarettes but yeah but early on and amongst people you aren't close or indebted to yeah you said this that is the message when they're like well why couldn't they just like relay a message they did they're not responding they're gone they'll see you in hell I don't want to defend these men Because they're obviously like gross And losers Personally wouldn't date them Yeah

It's not really about the men No it's about the like I'm like trying to get women To like value themselves a little more And like have a little bit more self-respect And like you know how hard it is Identify what they want Which is like impossible for women to do

But when you're in the trenches You know of like an early like possibly maybe promising we've all been there we've all been there we've all been like you know put our best judgments to the side to like agonize about whether some guy likes you enough and then in hindsight it's always like what was that guy's name even yeah you have to ask yourself like do I even want the guy my mom gave me a really good piece of advice maybe like 10 15 years ago when I was like agonizing over a guy who you know who is like uh kind of like i want to be your boyfriend but like i can't whatever i can't commit like the the humming and hunging and hung she was like well you

can have them if you want him but do you really want him and that really like damn yeah yeah it blew my brain i was like wait wait no i know i know well and then do you have to pee you should pee but yeah the last thing i will say is that like we've also come to this like i'm a massacist i'll hold it we've come to this like fucked up stage in late capitals where women are like the breadwinners which is like automatically cucking for men um yeah that's like a realignment that has to be reckoned with that isn't being appropriately

dealt with because of like the shift in material reality it hasn't caught up with like the emotional and psychological reality so these women who are going out

on these dates and then being ghosted by these like I mean how is a man gun or not even being ghosted or whatever They're basically being ghosted. They're being like... They're like being slow ghosted. Yeah.

Whatever you want to call it. They're experiencing rejection and ambivalence from their chosen partners. And I'm sure that in this particular article, the men are in New York and probably like older and reasonably well off to have been, you know, even be. kind of in the mix, I guess. But from a lot of men, it's like, how are you going to commit to someone if you know you don't have anything to offer them? Yeah. Not just materially, but emotionally in terms of like life experience. And how can you respect someone who doesn't respect themselves enough to have expectations of you?

so then women end up pretending like they don't have expectations and then playing these passive aggressive games yeah and then everyone's just sort of disappointed yeah and frustrated is what I think so true but what do I know I'm just happily there No, it's hard. My relationships are really hard. Yeah, they are. But I was talking to a woman recently who's getting married soon and was asking, who I don't know very well, but I was asking me about, quote, married life.

Uh-huh. And I haven't been with Riley for that long. Like, she's been with her boyfriend for so much longer. Yeah. Than I've been with Riley. Actually, you're the expert. Like, I was like, I actually, you know, I have some perspective on. this specific like dynamic that we've embarked on yeah but in terms of like our the length

of our relationship like I don't know you guys have probably been through way more stuff just through sheer like time but I'm a big advocate for getting married early yeah and my advice would be ladies or like having a baby early like doing something of like consequence or mean yeah consequence yeah not like just you said like being like a glorified roommate to someone yeah indefinitely and being like maybe he'll be ready like you should not if it's been over a year yeah and a man does not intend to marry or impregnate you with like real intent yes non ambiguously yes you should leave him uh-huh and every year month whatever increment of time you spend with him past that is kind of on you well did you see that Twitter discourse of like the two gay guys who got hitched and apparently

one of them was married to a woman who was his high school sweetheart for 17 years and people were like this is like an affront a betrayal how could he it's like well if you're married to some dude for 17 years and you're living an apartment with fur baby no baby on the way and he has very obvious and marked gay face like you know what's up a lot of women live in deep deep delusion I think I'm going to be charitable and say that this is not a woman problem this is a people problem most people live in deep delusion and denial are extremely suggestible I'd also like to say as of notable misandria and misogynist

like for as much as I be talking about and feeling and thinking that I hate women our all female group chat I really am like women are every day I'm like women are amazing yeah well I like our female friends yeah but there's so many people in that chat I'm like this is you know

it's a real long it's a real long Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah. That truth. But it's, um, the people I admire most in my life, I think, are women by, yeah. Yeah, of course. Yeah. When people hit me with the, like, Anna, you like hate women or just coping or whatever. It's like, all my best friends are women. Exactly. Like, I don't really have, I have a lot of friends, period. But, like, casual friends. not close friends I mean that's yeah no you're friendly I know I know you're friendly but like my close friends generally speaking or overwhelmingly women of course it just makes sense yeah yeah like I'm not like a guys girl or whatever you call it definitely not and like yeah I'm de-centering men except for my husband

who's the center of my life but besides that it's all girls all the time i like men i find them like yeah of course i find them like retarded and frustrating of course but like i don't hate like i can't bring myself to hate now i'm a boy mom now oh of course not no men are like they mean well so do women yeah everyone's just so damaged i'm like confused and it's tough out there but obviously you're like you're never going to have like a close intimate platonic relationship as close of an intimate platonic relationship with a man as you will with a woman because like if any man is trying to be your friend he's also trying to fuck like 11 times out of 10 and any man who is worth being with won't want to be your friend no won't want you to have like some male bestie that you're confiding in that's unusual he's gay

unless he's gay yeah he's not but even then they'll be like a scheming yeah bagget and try and get you in the khole and murder you and tell you to cheat and stuff like gay men are not good influence you deserve to cheat yeah they're like yes girl you're like blacked out Women are like, you need to leave him. He's no good for you. Gay guys are like, you should black out. You need to cheat. You need to go in the K-hole and cheat.

You need to go in the K-hole and cheat. Um, you can't have it all, but you can take pictures of all your clothes. Every single article of clothing that you own. Every day. every day it's not even going to take that long babe trust me you think you got to break it up into categories and then once you do that who knows who knows it's going to open up for you once you can see all your clothes on your phone you ain't even going to need a man you want all your clothes on your damn phone all right yes

should make a movie about that. Yeah, you're going to die under a pile of your clothes. New Ariaster film dropping next summer. It's called Altza. It's about the dark side of shopping addiction and hoarding. Anyway, we've done a long one. Oh, no. You've got to go.

Okay. I still have to pee. Okay, see you. We'll see you.