Red Scare - Ray Peasts

Episode Date: August 21, 2022

The ladies get to the bottom of Dan Price, Andrew Tate, and Ray Peat.

I'll show you match my step ladder. Your what? I'm wearing a Petra Collins for Essence brand dress, it's a shadow band on it. Yeah, it's like a powder pink with black varsity lettering and my step ladder is also powder pink with a black hardware, it's a very millennial girl boss step ladder. It is, it's like, did you steal that from the wing? Yeah, it looks like something, yeah. That I found at the wing estate sale.

I think the wing is still open. Yeah, they're back probably, they're probably now accepting men. They've just probably, yeah, or at least a lot of kind of fun, at least the most toxic males are allowed. Just girl bosses and the worst guys ever. Not a girl boss masturbating at me while I'm in the showers. I'm using the complimentary blow drying suite. I just hate when women weirdly masturbate while I'm in the locker room.

At We Spa. I think that person, this was like over a year ago, probably the We Spa incident, but that person ended up being a total pervert and criminal. Really? Of course. When I first came out that this was not fake news, I didn't really follow the story. I just caught wind, but it's hard to trust any news sources or nutritional information. Kind of the theme of the spa, I got a really lean docket, we're talking about men.

Yeah, a lot of men in the docket. Probably three men that are in the news lately, two of whom I just found out about yesterday and another of whom I found out about like a month ago. Which one did you find repeat? He's the one that I've known about the longest. Yeah, same. Is he even a guy? Is he one person?

Is he like Shakespeare? Is he just like some weird kind of like? Is he AI? Yeah. I don't know. I had like heavily falsified and editorialized a body of articles that many doctors over the years have contributed to. Who is Ray Pete?

The man. Why hasn't there been an expose? Who is Ray Pete? But I guess we should talk about the other two freaks first. He doesn't even have a wiki. Yeah, we can circle back to Pete. He's just, he's been on my mind. I'm really, he's really been on my mind.

Should we call this episode Ray Pist? Because we're talking about a lot of possible Ray Pists. Oh yeah. Ray Pists. Well, it's funny that like the Ray Pete diet is called Rape. His name is Rape Eats. Yeah. Yeah.

So true, Queen, but we, yeah, he's just, I just found out about this guy, this nutritionist. Yeah. But we'll circle back, I also didn't know who these other two guys were. But it's crazy by like some weird osmosis. Like my bird brain led me to read a bunch of Ray Pete articles in succession a couple of days ago and I haven't looked back. We're sick. Dude, we're sick.

I'm just like. I know. I'm going down the rabbit hole. Matthew's super annoyed because he, all the kind of things Ray Pete's been doing. Oh yeah. Or he's just, I mean, the Ray Pete forums. Mm-hmm. Are definitely full of Pete Tards.

Mm-hmm. Pete Tards. But I think it's because he has such a like. Ray Tards. Ray Tards. It took me so long to come up with that one. Yeah. Has such a like obtuse way of writing that like, I've really taken to Googling, Googling

Ray Pete, and then just like any kind of random thing and inevitably there will be like some comes up. Several like threads on the Ray Pete forums of someone being like, yeah. I'm help. I'm craving peanut butter. No, I was like reading his articles thinking like, is this my a post postpartum induced like thyroid deficiency brain fog or does this guy write in a really obtuse way that makes me have to read the articles like three times anyway, I digress.

I can't retain anything from his articles. But I'm a fan because I love contrarians and quacks and quacks and men and men and thinking about things a little differently. You know? And so in that way, that's contrarianism. Yeah. Yeah. But we can, we can a circle back to the other two guys were talking about are Andrew Tate

and Dan Price, Dan Dave Price, Dan Price, yeah, who was like a woke tech is I guess a woke tech CEO who was in the news sometime ago for paying all of the employees at his company, which is called gravity payments, a minimum of $70,000 a year. And he, I was watching some of like the news or like the Rachel, whatever, Rachel ratio or whatever, like the kind of talk show circuit he was doing around that time. And he's obviously incredibly sinister. And he held a whole prize conference to talk about how he looks like the naked cowboy. Anyone who has the Jesus hair, big red flag, the Jesus hair exactly.

I don't know why that's such a dead giveaway for the assorted ills that come with being a male feminist, but it just is. Who's the gay guy on the Queer Eye for the straight guy? The old one or the new one? The new one, Jonathan. He also looks like him. He also has that, that Jesus hair and his famously incredibly annoying. Yeah.

It's weird even when gay guys do it, gay guys are allowed all manner of frivolous and impulsive physical quirks that straight guys are not allowed. But even when gay guys do it. You can't do the long hair and the beard. Yeah. It really sets off alarm bells. You look like a kind of Eurovision, like trans contestant or something really perverted about it.

With like the snatched eyes. Yeah. And it's like we get it. You see yourself as like a modern day, like second coming of Jesus. You're taking a pay cut. To pay your employees, to take down capitalism while generating a tremendous amount of press and business for yourself, which will only reap dividends in the future. Yeah.

Brilliant. So yeah, the New York Times published another masterpiece of Stubb, I think it was a real banger. I'll pull up the article because there's some choice quotes. It was a fun read. Yeah. So it turns out Dan Price, the world's wokest CEO. Real media was the CEO's bullhorn and how he lured women.

Dan Price was applauded for paying a minimum salary of $70,000 at his Seattle company and criticizing corporate greed. The adulation helped to hide and enable his behavior. Seattle and other red flag just saying usually everything about this. And he, he was like a CEO of gravity payments and like a self-styled business guru who espoused a message of corporate greed that quote resonated with a wide audience. And now I guess he's accused of multiple instances of rape and sexual assault. And then in addition to a claim of domestic abuse from his ex-wife who outlined her abuse

at a TED talk that was like at a TED talk that was never published or posted. She gave a TED talk about how he had waterboarded her. They're just letting anyone have a TED talk now. We should have a TED talk. We can't basically do. How to be a shadow band on the internet. Telling her story at last. This feels like kind of like old school red scare where we just bash the victims of sexual

assault for coming forward. I mean highly dubious sexual assault, I will say. My kind of impression with though I'm sure obviously Dan Price as, you know, when they say they're your allies, it's all lies, a feminist man or your Instagram story. I know, I saw like years ago that I post periodically and sometimes it weirdly gets flagged and like taken down. Yeah. Reports it because it's too true.

Yeah. What was I saying? Dubious claims of sexual assault. Oh yeah. I kind of came away with it being like I'm sure Dan Price is highly guilty of poor sexual conduct. I'm just being an asshole. But any woman who would be in a blow hard to like a woke CEO messaging them on Instagram,

I just a nest of bifurcates. It's just asking for it to quote Camille Poglia. Can I read some of these quotes there? They're fantastic. So first of all, did you catch that? What's her name? Casey Marges, the one who's like the opener of the story. She's described as quote an artist in a model.

A lot of art and tea. Yes. They're like all artists looking for advice on how to better integrate their activism with their art practice. I'm serious. That's like verbatim anyway. But did you catch how this woman who's one of his accusers, she took an edible on the night of her rape because she's been taking edibles ever since she was part, she was in

the room during the Mandalay Bay shooting in the, yeah, it was outside, but yeah, she was part, she was at the Stephen Paddock Mandalay Bay shooting and now she has insomnia. So she takes edibles. Here's the account of that rape. Mr. Price returned and tried to initiate sex. No, just took an edible and I'm going to bed. She would tell the police, she said, we'll talk about this in the morning. As she drifted to sleep, she felt him penetrate her.

She told police she pretended to be asleep, worried he would kill her if she tried to stop him after he finished, she waited a few minutes, then walked to the bathroom before confronting him. Did you just rape me? She told the police. He flatly denied it, she said. She texted her friends that she might need them as witnesses. She saved her underwear and filed the police report.

Then she called her mother who waited in the hospital parking lot while Ms. Margus submitted to a rape kit. Ms. Margus returned to the car and gave her mother one of the small comfort gifts the hospital gives survivors, a heart shaped stone with the word etched hope. What a weird, yeah, why would you give your mom your rape kit? Like Sylvanier, and then this is his ex-wife who told the NYT reporter that escaping the memory of Price has proved impossible, quote, even her own therapist told her she had seen friends share his posts on LinkedIn.

This is another victim, Shelby Hain. She said she hoped that Mr. Price could provide advice and connections to integrate activism into her art. She and her boyfriend decided it was worth meeting him, even if he might expect a date. He tried to kiss her, he grabbed her neck, and he did donuts in a parking lot before passing out because he was too drunk. Ms. Hain is not the only woman who described Mr. Price's hands on her neck. Dani Aschini, an activist for transgender rights, remembered her first date with Mr. Price

a decade ago when they met on OK Cupid. It's painful, she said, that he is, quote, the poster child for this politics that I really care about. It's so, so weird how having progressive politics and, quote, being into activism seems to attract the most perverts and deviants. Funny how that happens. Yeah, it's almost like they're obscuring their real intentions by posting on LinkedIn incessantly about how woke they are.

And this guy in some ways actually set up a perfect like scenario for himself to get away with rape because he, you know, if he is guilty of attempting to rape a bunch of like art world and transgender rights activists, he knows that most people won't believe them because they're cuckoo. Yeah. Well, I mean, the whole edible debacle isn't really adding up to me. Say more. Well, you wouldn't really be like incapacitated from taking an edible, taking an edible, especially

if it's something you do a lot. Yeah. Also, remember that time I took a 55 milligram edible by accident and did a whole podcast? And I was loopy, but I was fine. Like I would have known if I was getting raped for sure. Well, she claims that she was pretending to be asleep, which doesn't sound. I mean, just the whole, yeah, like letting him finish, getting up to go to the bathroom and then saying, did you just rape me?

Yeah. Like why wouldn't he kill you after he rapes you if you're so afraid of him that you have to pretend to be asleep while he penetrates you. And then yeah, there's more, they're later on the, it's like he says he was just fingering her and then he just put the tip in common cider. It's also, it's gross, frankly. And I just don't, I don't know. I don't buy it.

Also, did you notice his ex-wife's last name is colon? Colon. I think it's a little tank's name. If my last name was colon, I'm just saying I would be, I would be taken. It's colon. Right. I would be taken. My husband's last name.

Well, I'd be taking it because if I was the type of woman that that guy would marry, I'd be in it strictly for like the money and the connections and not for love. But it's funny how for the price, the price is right until it goes horribly wrong. But it's so weird how the New York Times basically says with a straight face that all of these women were messaging him because they were interested in the quote advice and connections. Like they weren't messaging him because they were interested in him. And surely he must have intuited on some level. And so like it's not that I'm unsympathetic toward women who claim they were raped or

assaulted after they had been flirting with a man. It's that I'm suspicious of the reasons as to why women flirt with men in the first place in this day and age. Well, then it also, to me, I know this is very un-PC to say, but it goes into doubt their credibility because the kind of woman who would like sort of, yeah, flirt with a man or make her seem sexually available or like conspire with her boyfriend to flirt with a man. Conspire with her boyfriend under the guise of, yeah, like getting close to someone who

is wealthy and powerful. Andrew Tate says that if you're a woman in a relationship with a man and you're on only fans, you owe him part of your earnings because you belong to him. He's your pimp. Yeah. That sound. Yeah. It adds up symbolically or theoretically.

Yeah. I mean, you shouldn't be on only fans. If you're in a monogamous relationship. Yes. Yes. That's the more correct way of putting it. But I get what he's saying. He's trying to get at that point by making a crude joke.

Right. Yeah. I have my problems with Andrew Tate, but some of the things that he says are not them. Right. Yeah. The stuff that he does. Yeah. No, I don't even know about that.

I didn't get to the bottom of the human trafficking allegations, but we can just get back to that. We'll circle back. No, but anyway, so what I was saying, sorry, any woman who would sort of under the guise of like sexual intrigue, pursue weird networking, professional connections with someone to me also calls into doubt any like claims that they make coming forth to the New York Times. With allegations. With allegations about how someone like. That's the whole problem.

Especially if they're progressive and like are more inclined to like see currency and a victim narrative. Right. Exactly. That's the whole problem of the Me Too movement, which is really becoming visible now in the kind of Chernobyl like fallout, which is that no matter how sketchy and shady and rabie a person may be, and no matter how true those allegations may be, people are now inclined to disbelieve them and like all notions of like credibility and justice have been forsaken

for the content turd cutter because these stories are like the gift that keeps on giving it really. Yeah. People loved on all sides love to read these stories and argue about, you know, what a piece of shit the guy was the victims, the journalists covering the story. And people love a hand on the throat or which I do think has become such like common sexual practice actually in like hookup culture. It's so banal.

It's so banal. Or should I say banal that like, yeah, everybody does the choke me daddy thing. I really, it does seem I don't I don't know why I'm not defending Dan Price here. I'm just saying it's plausible to me that that is something someone would do. And if you kind of uncouple it from the way from the New York Times framing, it's like it's it is very banal and like. If I had a nickel for every time a man did that to me in my last like 10 or 15 years of like a dating, I would have the money to start a woman's only law firm that represents

the victims of sexual assault. Just kidding. I probably have the money to do that now, but I would never do that. I'd be able to take a pay cut to pay all my employees a living wage. I feel like it was always by design me to like totally eroded the credibility of any sexual assault claims moving forward. Yeah. They really did funny how that backfired like crazy.

And now we live in this world where in China like reform, the the kind of legal system, they've just bypassed the legal system, legal system is like totally irrelevant. Everything is like submitted to public opinion. Is he but he is on trial, right? The charges might be dropped. There's only one set of charges filed by this woman, Shelby Hain, who conspired with her boyfriend to go on a date with him or whatever. Okay.

Yeah. Well, he drove around drunk and then yeah, like dead doughnuts in a parking garage. Cool. Yeah. I'm sorry. I can't. I'll edit this part out, but go on. You were literally asking for it.

If you go on a date with like a dweeb and a blowhard like that, what are you doing, girl? I agree, dude. I really think, yeah, it's it's a real anyone who would be drawn to Dan Price as well, like a sexual prospect for starters, but then, you know, as just like a networking connection. It's just like a conversation partner. I would never want to talk to that guy. I get, yeah. I don't want to see him.

You should be running the other direction. You should not be responding to this guy's DMs. And clearly like his everything about him is like fake and speculative. And this whole kind of story just goes to show how speculative everything is through and through. It's not just the economy. It's the attention economy and it's not just financial. It's also existential.

Like everything is just built on like iterative levels of speculation. It reminded me of that time that like Bloomberg, which wrote a negative and critical piece about Dan Price and his shadowy past and whatever. Was it the same journalist that wrote this Times piece? Yeah. Yeah. So they're just on the Dan Price. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Someone should look into something this journalist has done honestly. You're so obsessed with someone else's transgressions. Well, Dan Price apparently hired. He hired a guy to go stray. His social media posts called Mike Rosenberg, who's also a former reporter who resigned from the Seattle Times after sending explicit messages to a female reporter in Brooklyn.

Yeah. I mean, it reminds me like of like the story Bloomberg ran about how Kylie Jenner was a billionaire. And then they had to walk that story back because it turns out that actually like the accounting and the figures were super iffy and murky and were probably fudged and it's unclear whether it was Kylie's people to blame or the journalists who ran with the story and the story of Dan Price is the same thing. It's like he's like a guy who goes through waves of like extreme like fanfare and then

extreme vitriol and no one has bothered ever to look into his business, which I guarantee is like totally useless. Of course. Well, the tech industry to me is really the like speculative economy par excellence. It's like where I think you really see how flimsy and worthless everything is. Yeah. How literally speculative. It's just like I'm you get some venture capital.

You start some dumb ass business. Yeah. You get some beanbag chairs and you're a loft and yeah, you got an like a mini fridge with beers. So he's this guy. I was a copy pasted all of his like little appearances from the article. He's done a photo shoot with Esquire. He appeared on the Daily Show.

He received glowing coverage from the New York Times and NBC News. He was on Kelly Clarkson. He introduced Andrew Yang to Seattle crowd during Mr. Yang's presidential campaign. He video chatted with former secretary of labor Robert Reich, who called him the one moral CEO in America. That's another red flag. By the way, if Robert Reich is singing her praises run for the hills. I mean, when you watch him giving this press conference about his like minimum wage for

his the employees at his company and there he's literally like there's so many cameras and it's him talking about who he had to take a pay cut and you know, he makes a lot of money. Yeah. So he it's fine for him. I'm a high net worth individual. Exactly it's total like Tom Cruise, Magnolia, like psychopath behavior and anyone with like a functioning brain who doesn't just take for granted something someone tells me

which in the case of Dan Price is like insisting on what like a moral actor can see it for what it is, which is a total charade. Right. And you can't even be mad at the guy because he's so transparent like what you see is what you get. I was out to drink to the friend of mine last night and he like restated a scene from the big short which I haven't fully watched through and through about how like the the Jeremy Strong character confronts the Steve Carrell character and he's like, but don't you hate

that guy? He stands for everything that you claim to denounce and you and the Steve Carrell character. I don't know who this is in reference to the Steve Carrell character is like maybe the Christian veil character I would surmise and the Steve Carrell character is like, yeah, no he's so obvious and transparent. I can't even hate him. I have to kind of respect the hustle. That's how I feel about crumbs.

You know what I mean? Like people are like, don't you hate that guy? Doesn't he make you steamed? And I'm just like, literally, no, he really doesn't but like Dan Price is that he's not even a sociopath. He's like playing a sociopath on social media. Yeah. Well, who was it?

Was it his ex-wife who said that when they used to or his ex-girlfriend, the one from the Stephen Paddock Mandalay Bay shooting who said that when they were getting fights, he would put like a pulse monitor on her finger. Yeah, it was one of the yeah. And insists that because his pulse was stable, he was the one making like the rational decisions and see my heart rate is really low because hers was erratic and it's like, what kind of retard is going to try to reason with a woman about how irrational she's being as if that's ever mattered to any woman.

Yeah. Who's fighting with you. It just makes them angrier and more crazy. Women do not care about the rationality. They don't care about like the logic. They're not trying to own you with logic. They're trying to own you with like full on hysteria and threats of rape accusations. And you will lose.

And you will lose always. You will be getting her that Balenciaga bag. I wonder it's it's like repeat the irrationality will always trump any kind of yeah, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, Dan Price's biggest mistake was trying to hack it as a CEO and tech entrepreneur rather than just do the Andrew Tate game and be like a talking head for the man a sphere. Yeah. A men's rights activist.

Yeah. And like he would have done better. I don't know. I bet he's done very well for himself. I don't think either of these guys really has as much money as they claim to have. Like I was watching Andrew Tate on Dave Portnoy's podcast. Yeah. Another guy who likes to choke women.

Uh-huh. And who they can't bring down. Andrew Tate was like, I'm a high net worth individual. I have hundreds of millions of dollars. And Dave Portnoy's like co-host asked him like, well, what's fuck you money to you? Kind of like the question that we asked Jesus and he said, well, $70,000 a month or whatever, which is reasonable. And actually Andrew Tate had a pretty good answer, which he said, there's no, the whole

concept of fuck you money is a fake concept. There's no such thing as fuck you money if you're exorbitantly wealthy, but continue to work in the matrix for the man. Like a guy like Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos never has fuck you money, no matter how rich he gets. Cause he's always answering to somebody else. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, that's right.

Boop. Cause you know, Andrew Tate's half black, but and if, yeah, so then his dad is a chess black chess player and a black, uh, member of the CIA, wait, really? The people of color intelligence agency. Yeah. Apparently, I think he's, he's been pretty, oh, yeah. I didn't read that on Wikipedia. Apparently allegedly.

Yeah. This is what I hear. Um, I wonder what Robert Reich has to say about, about Chamath, but Polly, but to, but to Brunner. I can't pronounce his name. You hate Chamath. He's really getting his come up inside. Yeah.

He, he, the SPAC King stays silent as his empire dwindles love to see it. I'm sure he's empire though, which is also like, I looked up what SPACs are and they're like, I have to hold on. Well, the thing about fuck you money also, I'll say is that it's, it really is about like living within your means, you know, like if you really don't do, I feel like there's like a threshold where kind of the richer you get, eventually you pass and then you like have to kind of buy into like a kind of luxury culture that raises your cost of living and that also kind of inhibits you paradoxically from having fuck you money.

Whereas the sweet spot is kind of to just like have enough money, but not really want anything. Exactly. What's enough money? Like 20 million. That's the figure that Andrew Tate gives minimum for me, less than that, I think, because what do I really want for? Yeah.

I mean, my whole life maybe, yeah, like if that was, if I was going to cap it and never do this fucking podcast again. If I was going to walk away from the Zoom recorder, I mean, I don't know, but I'm not good with numbers. Yeah. So I'm not going to, I'm going to plead the fifth on that one. Yeah. Just a matter of doing the math, which we're about, but we can have some man break it down.

Like what's your daily expenses? Well, probably a lot more than you think. Yeah. But I was thinking the other day about how $40 is kind of a really good amount of money. $40. $40. Because you can like get a cappuccino and maybe like an item from Brandy or like, you can go out to lunch or like, if you are spending like, you can spend $40 a day and have a pretty

good day. Yeah. $100 is excessive. $100 a day. On most days. Yeah. I'm like an African child. I'm living on $2 a day, baby.

And if you don't spend $40, one day you can spend $80 the next day. So that's really good. So true. That's like, you know, you can get a couple more brandy. You can get a bottle of supplements. It's all about understanding derivatives. Anyway, an SPAC, not to be confused with the ASPCA, is a stock you can buy that doesn't have an underlying business.

In other words, it's a company that people buy into to raise money to acquire businesses down the line. What could possibly go wrong? A speck. Yeah. It's literally a speck. It's literally right there. What does it stand for?

A special purpose acquisition company. Fucking faggot. Yeah. Idiot. So this guy was on Twitter stunting, like quoting Jay-Z lyrics about how, I'm not a businessman. I'm a businessman. Chatham? Yeah.

Chamath. Chamath. Chamath. And like, I literally only know him because you hate him. It's just like, I look into that man's cold, dead, calculating eyes, and I know he's a fraud. You look at all these guys, like every single one of them. Do these women in the stand price piece not have faculties of intuition?

No, they do, but that's a sad thing. They thought that they could game him. And maybe they have. They got a New York Times piece out of it. They wrung some media attention out of it. They have a New York Times piece calling them artists. Yeah. And I'm sure they believe that they're on the righteous path and they're doing the

right thing. Do you think they really think that? I don't think so. I feel like you, you have to believe a little to do something like that. Like you must know that. I'm so cynical. I feel like people are so dedicated and really stand for nothing. No, I am too.

But to behave in that matter. You must, like, if you're smart enough to make that calculation, you must have a bit of like naivete or idealism where you like kind of believe you believe because like to not believe means like total and utter recognition of the fact that you were just existentially doomed. Right. And that nobody wants to stand that egoic pressure to really evaluate everything you think you stand for.

Just having your ego totally crushed. I don't know. So I hope that everybody in this piece gets what they want, gets what they want and are corralled together in like a survivor style reality show. Lock them all in a cage. Yeah. Like God sort of. Like, like that scene in a modus pedos by Alejandro and your E2 where like the two feuding brothers

or cousins are forced to kill each other and it ends on like a cliffhanger. Sounds hard. That's a scene from a movie I do remember that you have watched in its entirety. You've talked a lot of shit on the big, big short, which I haven't seen even a second of, to be honest. I've watched, I have watched parts of it and I didn't like it and I stopped watching. I'm a real dilettante. Yeah.

I haven't. Have I talked a lot of shit on the big short? Yeah. Shit. You have. I remember because Adam McKay is a executive producer on succession and at the time I was like, oh, but I actually haven't seen it. Yeah.

It's probably good. It's fine. I think everything, after having a baby, I think everything is good. I don't think, I think it's, you know, step, it's no step brothers. There's no way. I think it's a movie for men, just like the pacing and finance and the topic, the subject matter. Yeah.

What's about Enron? Yeah. It's about like the 2008 financial collapse and I love Christian Bale, but from what I've seen, it's not his best role. Well, we have a new recession now. Yeah. Maybe somebody can make the big short, too, about our new COVID-filled, fueled recession. Andrew Tate.

Andrew Tate. Or do you have any more comments about Dan Price? No, I don't think so. Let me see. Andrew Tate. Bald-headed brother doing his thing. I didn't realize he was black until I read his Wikipedia. He is.

He's like the Thomas Chatterton Williams of the Manisphere. He's, um, he's very light-skinned. Let me see if there's any pics of his father. Is he a yellow bone? Yeah. He's not a red bone. Huh? He's high yellow.

What? What? What's, um, what's, what's a red bone? I don't know. I think these are like different shades and grades of black skin color. One of these guys is his dad and they're both pretty black, so. Mmm. These two brothers?

That the one on the right does look like fat, older as he's, I'm sorry. What's a yellow? What? Some black people do be looking Indian, though. That's his dad. I think Indian people be looking black. Yeah. Hard to say.

Which is which, um, his, um, yeah, I've been with a dark-skinned guy for a long time. So these are just, um, okay, yeah. And I, I was trying to learn today who Andrew Tate was because recently several people that I know from media circles have strongly suggested by which I mean like literally urged me to have him on. On the show? Yeah. Um, okay.

Because he's a misogynist. Yeah. Because he's, he's, um, anti-vax and a misogynist and I was like something, you know, like I'm an instinctual animal at the end of the day. As much as I pretend to be male-brained, I go by the most, um, feminine, uh, thing of all, which is instinct and something deep in my core said no. Oh, I got a bad thing about Andrew Tate. I definitely think he's, um, he's done some, some monstrous things.

Yeah. Um, well, I don't know if I, I don't know or care if he's done monstrous things because frankly anybody in the, why is he, why are you, and why are you as a man in Romania? You know, it's just, that's just one of those massive red flags where it's like, um, and regardless. Bap on suicide watch? If he technically. I'm just kidding.

He's not in Romania. He's somewhere in like, we don't know, uh, South America, Southeast Asia. Um, he's abroad. We know that. Um, I just, I mean, well, as a non-Romanian man, obviously, as, you know, um, uh, he's half, he's half British on his mother's side and half African-American on his dad's side. Yeah. And chest genius.

Mm-hmm. And he, he's obviously like relatively high IQ, but with like a, a touch of retardation as all like viral media personalities have to be, he has, he has, he has, he's a kick box there. Yeah. So he's had his head kicked in a bunch of times. He's an athlete and he has brain damage. Yeah.

But something about this guy stinks and it's really not his manosphere content or his human trafficking allegations. Um, it is a little bit the human trafficking allegations for me, but even those aside with regardless of whether or not he's technically guilty, I think he did run some kind of like cam girl ring in Romania. Sure. But it's not that it just, it's what's super suspect is that he like suddenly appeared. He's like on every platform, super viral, all of a sudden granted.

I think that's because even though he claims he doesn't have a Tik Tok account and I don't think he does and mainly stays on Instagram and Twitter, um, a lot of people are reposting his content on Tik Tok, which has then went viral, reached a saturation point. And by the time it kind of was regurgitated back to Twitter and Instagram, which by the way, are the social media platforms of an aging population, uh, it was too late 35 years old. Yeah. And he was like a phenomenon already because it happened on Tik Tok, you know, right?

Like we don't know what goes on on Tik Tok. We have no idea what goes on. So, so even, even like, um, you know, given that fairly organic, like social media process, the thing about this guy stinks, mark my word, this is like Chometh level, my like radar, my like spidey senses going off. My, the, my intuitive feeling, um, was that he felt, though I agree that there's something wrong with, with Andrew Tay, I, um, like reading sort of the, before he was banned from, um, Facebook and Instagram, um, the first kind of wave of, of media coverage he was getting

of being like a toxic influencer, um, to me felt like he was merely sort of being scapegoated a little bit or feeling some void where they're like, there is all of this kind of like, um, angry, masculine sentiment, um, and he merely was like foisted as some vague figure had of it because he was just saying stuff that everyone else was already thinking. Cause BAP was anonymous. No, I'm serious. Like he's, he's a face Lord. He's, he's a face bag.

Yeah. Can I play a BAP, a BAP clip? Sure. I recorded the other night. This is going to be, remember that podcast that summarized our podcast that was run by Audrey Gellman's husband. Yeah. We're going to become that for Caribbean rhythms, Caribbean rhythms round up.

And, and many of you, by the way, don't realize that in Soviet Union and Russia, the girls are not especially nice either, you know, they're quite demented. Once you marry one, they will spend most of their time screaming at you, making your life hell. Unless you have a pimp hand, which of course you can't really have in America or they call it unless you have a, what, okay, he's 75% right, but he's, he's wrong in one important crucial respect. No Russian woman will ever scream at a man.

She'll stand there quietly with a poker face with her arms folded over her chest. I don't know. I think Russian women would do be, do be, I've never screamed. You've died. I have, of course, of course I'm, I'm being dramatic, but every boyfriend has reported the same thing about me, which is that in moments of emotional conflict, I can be very icy and unfeeling. Well, that's, yeah, I mean, because I don't like when men show his irrational emotional

side. It make him look weak and like cock and I retaliate it. I just shut, you know, poker face. If, if I'm, yeah, if I'm not screaming, you, then you should be real, very worried. Yeah. Because that's what I'm coming out with the real cutting, like, with the real facts and logic. That's when I'm really going to be like, yeah, that's what I'm going to really hurt your

feelings when I'm not screaming. You should be happy with them. Oh, you think you can use facts and logic against me? Oh yeah. I'm like that dude from the matrix, like Ben 90 degrees backwards at the waist with my own facts and logic. What are you talking about? American men think they can get past us with facts and logic.

No, they should be so lucky when we're running around screaming like chickens with their heads cut off. I know. That's, that's when they, that's when they're safe. That is wrong, Russian women don't scream, they stealth and they chisel and they do need, he's right that they need to be struck. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. But that's not really a thing that you're right. That's why, that's why Andrew Tate lives in Romania so he can strike those only fans hose. So he can, he's like what Hassan Piker wishes he was, but instead he's consigned to the role of a tick tock leftist. That was Hassan up in, cause he's gay. You think he's gay?

I answered my own question. Well, as an Armenian, I think all Turks are gay, but. I thought how could he not have been me too and then I was like, well, clearly gay. I'm sure by the way, I sent you that Cernot tweet where he was like, what Dan Price is accused of is far worse than what Andrew Tate is accused of. I disagree. I also think Andrew Tate's probably done far worse things, but he is higher IQ than Dan Price, definitely, which is why he's, um, in the manosphere.

And so he attracts women who would never, uh, snakeishly betray him, like an absolute viper in the New York times. Well, because he attracts low self-esteem downtrodden, Melania now says before they got their big break and married Donald Trump, literally just like Romanian, like peasant girls that have no record or total 10s until they open their mouths and they have like some teeth missing, even the gum line has scurvy. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. I mean, she's a Romanian sex slave working in their webcam brothel. Um, yeah. It's hard to say. Okay, I have to gather my thoughts because I'm a little tips, but I think my objection to Andrew Tate is that I detect this weird level of nerdy weakness in him. He reminds me of one of those games that they had. I wish there was a name for them, like whack-a-mole, like an agreed upon common name.

I don't think there is those games that were outside of fast food restaurants. Um, back in the nineties and it was like, you spin, there was like three or four characters and you spin their bodies and heads and you have to like match their bodies to their heads. Remember those games? Andrew Tate has like a Nathan Fielder or Mark Zuckerberg head on a, uh, Michael Phelps body. It doesn't add up. It's like Christina Hendricks who has like a cute and tiny chiseled head on the body of like a fifties glamazon pinup.

It's pathological. There's something wrong. Yeah. And when you hear him speak, it's very interesting because he has this like agro-american accent. I have a high net worth individual like almost Alex Jones in it, but then you hear a touch of British slip through that he's trying to hide and suppress because he doesn't want to be regarded as a poof. I will say Alex Jones has had perfectly matched to his body.

Exactly. Yeah. And I think the thing is off about, about that guy. Yeah. The way that, yeah, I, I haven't watched any videos of, of Andrew Tate speaking, but I, it's uncanny. I buy it. Yeah.

Definitely. Um, and then I think with the, you know, it's like, it's, it's like the Dan Price thing, like everyone gets what they want, right? Like Meta, whatever gets to virtue signal by pulling him from Facebook and Instagram off their platform. Yeah. And then he gets more, I've never heard of him, you know, now I, you know, strongly associate him with like incels or whatever that's like, he's done, you know, he gets

what he wants. He's going to gain notoriety from being banned off of these like largely useless platforms. Anyway, cause like you said, like Chinese own Tik Tok is the only place where like things are like really being like generated or moving. Yeah. Discursively. Like there are like no offense to us, but if you're on Instagram or Twitter, you old, you old.

Yeah. Like you're, you're behind the times. To some extent. Well, we shouldn't be on Tik Tok. No. I'm never going to go on Tik Tok. I would, that would be, I would rather, I would never trade dignity for relevance, you know.

Right. Same. Yeah. And as much as people like to accuse me of infantilizing myself, um, even I wouldn't stoop that low. But Tik Tok is the future, whether you like it or not, it's like the platform that younger people use. So I'm thinking that there's probably like perfectly reasonable, organic explanation

for the sudden, uh, viral fame of Andrew Tate, which is again, the stuff fomented much like COVID-19 did in Wuhan, this fomented on Tik Tok, and then it was unleashed on the rest of the world and all the other platforms at a lag, depending on where you are. Tik Tok probably has a broader, um, you know, cross-section also. Well, in addition to, I think, um, Zoomers politics being more, uh, convoluted and post-modern or whatever, you know, where they're like glomming onto these like identity categories. Um, whereas like Twitter is basically for, for Libs or like reactionary, reactionary subset for Libs, LARPing is reactionary.

Exactly. Such as ourselves. Um, but I feel like there's a more, um, Twitter is for us and Mike Cernovich only and Michael Tracy and Michael Tracy and who's, who's a better poster, uh, Cerno or Tracy? Oh, um, Tracy, really? I think Tracy's more bold with it, you know, I love them both. I love them both. Um, I like Cerno has a poetry, but Tracy's more devoted because he doesn't have a family.

Yeah. It's so true. Um, Cerno posts a lot, but, you know, at the end of the day, he's spending too much time with those kids to really, but she unlocked the higher levels of, uh, which is just dedication and commitment though. He does post a lot for a dad of three. He posts a ton. Um, yeah, but I was trying to get to the bottom of like what makes, um, Andrew Tate so objectionable

on like a content level, like setting aside any like human trafficking allegations or his shady past or any of this shit. Like what is he saying that is so objectionable in the first place? And it's all totally reasonable. Well, it's like you should hit women, shut up bitch and stuff. People don't like to hear that kind of, it is, it's very surface level misogyny. Yeah. None of it is like that deep or that profound, but like a lot of it is true.

Like the idea that if you're in a monogamous relationship, you should like not be on only fans that again, he uses hyperbole and dramatization to illustrate that point, but like pearls before swine. And we know this. What does that mean? Wait, I've never heard this expression. Never heard. No.

Swine. No. Oh, like I'm a swine before pearls girl, um, yeah, to cast something like, um, valuable or precious before people pigs swine before like those who on, you know, are not able to really appreciate its value. Not that what he's saying is particularly valuable, but that's, that's what the term refers to is that it's like, um, it's lost on any kind of like, um, hyperbole or irony or like joke even nowadays is lost on people because they think they're the only ones capable

of like having a sense of humor. Oh, true. True. Yeah. Oh, something weird is going on outside. People keep coming out into the fire escape and like throwing shit down like this weirdly Kool-Aid haired girl. And then there is like a woman on the roof.

I'm trying to keep my composure and podcast here and there's all these like weird urchins. I'm going to glance down. Yeah. Let's see what's popping. Are they selling drugs? I wouldn't be surprised. Um, I was very enthused to welcome Jack to the neighborhood. There doesn't seem to be any, um, suspicious activity, but there was another girl with

bleached hair going down, going into the building. Maybe she was throwing keys down. So true. I had to guess. I see how paranoid I've become. Well, your neighborhood is crime-ridden. It really is. It's really bad.

I mean, even my neighborhood, which is better, is still, I saw a guy, um, with like, and I got home at like 1 a.m. last night and there was like, um, some crackhead like asked me for money. Um, and then as I like kind of evaded him, some like Pakistani like shopkeeper was like coming after him with like a knife. What? They were like brawling, yeah, I was like, I was like, oh, this is, this is like on a new level.

I can't be witness to some knife violence right now. That would really derail my- No, you don't want to be like- I'd have to take a ton of edibles just to get to sleep. Did you rape me? Did you rape me? Did I ever tell you the story of how that guy- Did you seriously just put your-

Did you literally- Put his toe in my mouth? Or put my toe in his mouth, sorry, I'm drunk. Freudian slip. No. What was that? When was this? Like a couple of months ago, I was like on the stoop.

What? What? I'm not going to identify, I'm not going to dox my location, but I was sitting on a stoop having a cigarette. Very bad neighbor. I don't say that. And the sky rolled up to me with a bike and was like, hey, I'm like the landlord, stepson, can you let me in?

I don't have my keys. I have the keys for the apartment, but not for the entrance and he like dangled the keys in front of me as evidence. So I was like, yeah, cool dude, I trust you because I don't fucking give a shit. And also I'm a secret lib at heart and don't want to come off as like needlessly like racist. So I like don't clutch my bag on the street when I should. I mean, I'm so progressive and tolerant. Anyway, so I let this guy in, he disappears this bike.

I thought that was that. Then he comes out. I'm like smoking a cigarette. He plucks a cigarette from my hand. I'm about to light it and he's like, hey, let me show you how to smoke this. Can I have one? I just said he has one already behind his ear. So he's lying.

This is like a pretense and he like pulls the filter out, makes me smoke the cigarette and it's telling me how he's like 42 and he's in the rap game and things haven't been going so well for him, but he's going to like blow up next year and whatever. And I'm just like, okay, do you? Meanwhile I'm like, yeah, I'm, I'm married and have a baby like midnight, not even that late. Okay. But late enough.

Okay. And then out of nowhere, this man bends down and puts my whole ass toe into his mouth. Anna, that is horrible. It's so fucking. What did you do? I just sat there. You froze. I froze.

I tolerated it because my, my, my strategy is to like not call the police. It's to like, well, the cops aren't going to do anything. They're not going to do shit. My strategy is just always to like freeze up and not project fear and it works. It's worked for me many times. Anyway, this man literally put my toe in his mouth and then I thought like I'm going to have to find a way to like let him down easy and possibly get raped. I felt like I was in this damn price story and he gets up and goes off into the night

and I never see him again. But who does that? Who puts a woman's stinky ass toe in their mouth? Why would he do that? Yeah, that is, that's shocking. That's yeah, that's a crazy, that's a crazy story. It's a trip. I don't still don't know what to make of it.

And I told Eli the story and Eli knows the guy. He knows. They played jazz together. No, no, he knows him from going in and out of the building. Right. Right. Poor Eli, now he has to like face the sky, who's the stepson of the landlord and keeps his bike at Ma's house.

Oh, damn. Yeah, I love this guy into my building once. New York, concrete jungle where dreams are made of. There's no one so as you can. I tweeted this on my alt today, but I was really, I went to a Duane read on the upper east side and literally every single item was locked up except for plan B. That's what I'm saying up in and I was like, oh man, I was like, we need to criminalize crime.

Like when I call me crazy, I don't think we should legalize crime in New York City. It's crazy. We have functionally legalized crime. You can just straight up shoplift casually. Nobody cares. No one cares at all. And when you need to get a survey moisturizer or like, I don't know, literally every single time you have to literally call some 17 year old black parolee to come over, like snap your

fingers like Carmela Soprano, summoning Charmaine Bucco and be like, Ayo Tyrone, I'm waiting. And you have to like literally go this underprivileged inner city teen into doing your bidding. On the one hand, it is creating jobs. Well with the automation of like the checkout process, I feel like at least today I was kind of like at least a robot can't unlock the CeraVe yet. Yes. You know, at least a human person has a job which is unlocking a 17 year old or a 34 year old single mother of three.

It just makes no sense that the way to deter theft and crime is to lock up every single item rather than simply criminalizing, stealing. Well, it's funny because ironically, that's what's provided kind of the counter effect against like the dreaded automation of labor that we've been hearing about for the last four or five years. Yeah. Is that we need the human beings? We literally need black teens to open our little plexiglass cases for us.

Yeah. But the plan B is not even over the counter anymore. They're handing it out. They're just handing it out. Yeah. I really am, yeah, I'm getting older because I'm scandalized. I'm pee-pilled. Oh, yeah.

Should we talk about Ray? Let's do it. Ray Pete is a nutritionist who has... He's a nutritionist by training. Yeah. He's a doctor of biology, not a medical doctor. He has a PhD. Okay.

So, he is a doctor, and he has become... I caught wind of him after reading Bronze Age Mindset because he makes a cycle of references to him and then I listened. Like renegade, physician, repeat, I guess he's not a physician. He's not. No. He's... But yeah, I guess he is a nutritionist.

He is generating. I guess being a physician and a nutritionist are also basically mutually exclusive in this day and age. And that's the real peat pill. But yeah, so that sort of like, incepted the idea of repeat into my mind and then after my medical experience last week. Your medical saga, yeah. Which were...

Much like you was also thinking about my thyroid health and such. And then I sort of started looking into Ray Pete a little more meticulously and have fallen in love with this man's ideas. He's mainly credited, I think the kind of big Ray Pete talking point is of course the carrot salad. Really? So what was that progesterone is the anti-stress hormone and estrogen is the stress hormone? That too.

But the carrot salad will lower your estrogen levels. Okay. Which has feminists livid. Yes. But Ray Pete says that in the forties was when estrogen was sort of branded as like the female hormone, which Bap says this too in his book as well as on. Then I listened to the Bap episode about detoxing when I was menstruating a couple of days ago and I have some...

I think I've talked about how I'm an advocate for like menstrual seclusion actually, much like the hunter gatherer societies where women had to kind of go away when they were menstruating. I think that you at least one day of your menstrual cycle, meaning like being on your period should be free bleeding into bike shorts or something like you really need at least one day. I do. I know. I do.

You consciously free bleed into stuff. Yeah. Cause I think tampons and well tampons are literally talks horrible and I don't like wearing a pad and public and don't feel fit like as of, you know, on like the heaviest day of my flow definitely don't feel like I should be out in public anyway. So I will just kind of take to the bed and like free bleed into some bike shorts or on a towel or something. And um,

Wow. Look at you, Dasha. Huh. What? Yeah. That's very like Romanian or Hungarian, it's very like mineral bath. I think it's good for my health. It's probably good.

It's like what they advise that babies should have a period of time when they come out of the bath where they don't wear the diaper and get to like go commando cause they should like air their butts out, which I agree with like baby shouldn't be wearing also like diapers or like underwear sized pads for babies made of weird toxic chemicals, like no babies wore pads in the past. No. Um, I didn't even wear diapers as a baby. What did you wear?

Like the cloth diapers. We were cloth diapers. Yeah. We were like bags that our parents put around us. Like a safety pin periodically like opened up and cut into our flesh and that's good for a baby. Yeah. We definitely didn't have car seats, diapers.

I, I told you how stunned I was because I was like buying car. You have to legally have a car seat, um, in New York state, if not in all of America. And you have to legally have this car seat up until they're like eight years old, which is insane. Cause I definitely did not was not in a car seat ever. I don't have, I've never been in a car seat. I have a vivid memory of going through like a tunnel, like a hall and tunnel like tunnel in Moscow.

One of like the ring roads or whatever with my grandmother and sitting on her lap and like burying my face in her ample bosom. Yeah. That sounds nice. It's, it's nice. But it like car seats. What? No, no.

That's my next polemic after sunscreen. I bet right. Pete talks about cars. No, he definitely doesn't. But he, but he talks about how like, um, the thing that was very interesting, I read all the article. Yeah. Go ahead.

Sorry. The carrot salad. Yeah. The carrot salad. It's carrots, coconut oil, apple cider vinegar and salt. And what does it do? It clears it like it's a detox thing and, but you should be eating it kind of not with your meals, but kind of in between meals periodically.

And you've been doing it. And what do you do with the carrots? Do you chop them or shred them? Use, use, um, kind of thickly shred them. I have not had the carrot salad yet, um, but even thinking the thing about rape Pete that I think is so, um, electrifying is that kind of if you read or like are immerse yourself in his, um, ideology, it really causes you to sort of evaluate how anyone really knows anything and what the point of even like, um, medicalization and like what we think we

know about our bodies even is. I mean, and then, but then you can extend that to anything. Exactly. And so I haven't even had the history to social relations, everything. It's all kind of, uh, falsifiable, right? Uh, so I haven't had them yet, but I feel better already, you know, just having the kind of, uh, freedom of mind to pursue my own nutritional course. But that's, I mean, that's what is, um, I think appealing to most people about like

esoteric medicine in the first place. It's not that you buy into it, like hook, line and sinker. It's that it makes you feel seen and understood because you feel failed by the medical establishment and it feels sick and it's a six ad world. Yeah. And it's not so much that, um, it's not so much that what he says flies in the face of the medical establishment. It's more like the medical establishment, especially these days has literally nothing

to say about the interconnectedness of all of our bodily systems and the way in which hormones impact and influence biology and growth and lead to diseases and dysfunctions. Yeah. Like if I have so many examples, even from my own, like fairly limited medical history of like when I was in my mid 20s, for example, I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's thyroiditis and PCOS. Yes. Yeah.

Polycystic ovarian syndrome. I had the cyst I went, was hospitalized for was like five Senate. It was like, what's that? Like an, how, how big it was like, it's almost like a tennis ball. Yeah. Wait, what? No. Yes.

Dude. Yeah. It was like a sized cyst in your like tiny body. In my tiny body that ruptured. What was in the cyst like nails and teeth? Was it like a sebaceous cyst? No. It was just like pus.

Yeah. It was pus and blood and stuff. Okay. And I was in a ton. I told you that. The pain, yeah. The severe ball, but I was in a tremendous amount of pain and didn't go to the doctor because I'm a psychotic Russian person who doesn't trust doctors and has a high pain

tolerance. And so I just didn't go and then ended up like going to the doctor. So at that point, basically just as a precaution after some of the pain had subsided and they were like, you need to go to the ER because your ovary might be like contorted or whatever it's called. But it twists. I mean, how big is an ovary? An ovary is like about the size of it.

It's less than a tennis ball. It's like, it's like the size of like a cherry or like an apricot or something. So what the fuck, but it's not erupt like the fact that it had already ruptured. But why? Okay. But why do, why do 10% of American women have PCOS probably more on this? Probably more. Well, that's what repeat says about hypothyroidism, right?

Like the clinical criteria for diagnosing it changed in the post war period. Why? Well, because so basically something like 40% of the population in America is diagnosed as hypothyroid at the time. And then the criteria made it so that only 5% were. And he claims that this is, it ended up being advantageous to pharmaceutical manufacturers because they could market something called thyroxine, which is a synthetic thyroid hormone that mimics the kind of organic thyroid hormone that we all have that is in low supply when

you're hypothyroid or whatever. And yeah, I remember like having this like diagnosis being confused by it. I had all the classic markers of PCOS and hypothyroid, which often overlap like acne prone skin, which is also weirdly dry, the tendency to gain weight in the midsection, like in your abdomen, in your back, um, excess body hair, which you will recognize as being like viralizing their androgenic, right? Even if you look at the weight gain pattern, men gain weight in their bellies, women gain weight in their butts.

And so, um, I remember back then being told, like you have to get on birth control and levo thyroxine, which is like an updated version of thyroxine, the synthetic hormone. And I was like, why? Because this seems also like a lifestyle thing. At no point did anybody look at me and say, like, you need to lose weight and eat a healthy diet. I'm like evenly five, four, I weigh probably like 110 pounds. And now back then I was fluctuating between 140, 145, which is heavy.

It's not morbidly obese, but it's heavy. It's, I mean, it depends on you are very small bone. So it's heavy. That's how much I weighed when I was in nine in month nine of my pregnancy. I weighed 145 because you're supposed to gain 35 pounds during your pregnancy. And then lo and behold, I was also diagnosed as pre-diabetic. And it turns out that hypothyroid, PCOS, pre-diabetes go together like peas in a pod. And at no point did any doctor say, like, you have to make changes to your lifestyle.

And it took literally like going on the internet and looking this up because I didn't want to be on drugs to be like, oh, yeah, I have to go to the gym and lose weight. And also, I mean, I did it mainly at a vanity because I felt fat and ugly, but it paid dividends. Health wise. Sure. Everything is this. Well, and with PCOS, I think it is.

It's not like a disease, right? It's a syndrome, which means it's, you can roll it back. It's preventable. Yeah. And there's a spectrum. There's a spectrum. There's a set of sort of like, I was diagnosed with PCOS also a few years ago, but I wasn't overweight.

Yeah. Why do you have PCOS as like a historically thin woman? I don't understand. Well, my, I think, because my thyroid functions irregularly, probably because what's that all about? When what's well, Chernobyl, yeah, probably for me too. My mom claims it's Chernobyl. My mom also has thyroid problems and well, Belarus borders Ukraine and a lot of the fall

out from Chernobyl literally went into, went as far as Moscow. Remember that famous photograph of like children missing their limbs? Yeah, my mom was a teen when Chernobyl happened. My grandfather, who was like a military engineer had a, what's it called the thing that measures radioactivity? I was told once, yeah, he like bought a, he came back from Ukraine with like a pair of pants and then like was messing around with his like radioactivity monitor and the pants were like totally like rating like, um, that's sort of my, my hunch.

Um, and since then I've had my thyroid tested and it's functioned relatively normally, but I've always had irregular periods. I was also put on birth control when I was 15. Yeah. But that's the other interesting thing that how long were you on birth control until I was like 18 or 19. So you were on it for an extended period of time, but not like since then. I went on it for periods here and there because some doctor inevitably would be like, you

should go on birth control. But that's very interesting that like, uh, you and I have basically the same diagnosis, right? Like PCOS, hypothyroid. I'm like the control to your experiment because you were on birth control for extended periods of time. I've never been on birth control and yet the outcome is similar. It's like communism and capitalism and yields the same outcome.

Well, I probably had PCOS even then, which is probably why. Well, they use birth control to regulate PCOS and they use things like, um, lipothyroxine and like, synthroid to use, um, to regulate, um, hypothyroidism, they use spirulactone, which is a, an anti-diabetic drug to regulate some of the kind of superficial kind of like unflattering symptoms of PCOS, like when you're getting like, weight gain, excess body hair, that sort of thing. Doesn't spirulactone decrease your testosterone? Uh, maybe, but all of these things, like they, basically, I mean, the reason that Ray P appeals

to me is the same reason Ivan Illich appeals to me because he seems to confirm Ivan Illich's like grand thesis of like the iatrogenesis of like medicine, which is like there was one great watershed, which yielded an upswing, right, in outcomes and health and mortality outcomes. And then there was a second watershed, an overreach that actually yielded a decline in health and mortality outcomes. And you look at like what happened to like Alex Kashuta's mother, right? Her mother had a similar reaction as, as I did to COVID to the vaccine.

She had like an arthritic and you know, reaction and they put her on methotrexate, which is a drug that they give chemo patients to manage cancer, cancer symptoms. And she ended up dying of a heart attack precipitated by liver failure. And like that's one of those instances. It's not so much that the vaccine killed her, but the steps the medical establishment took to manage her adverse effects from the vaccine ended up killing this woman who was an otherwise like healthy and active 61 year old. And that's like across the board where they, they again, they treat the symptoms rather

than the root causes with drugs because this is advantageous for the pharmaceutical companies. Like it's so obvious. Yeah. And even like the trans rights stuff is primary. Like my problem with it isn't that it's like identity politics. It's that it's a cash grab by the pharmaceutical companies. It's seemingly very transparently, transparently, yeah, well, I think, I don't know, a lot of P Tards have, um, I think, um, as misguided sort of as they are and as much as they like

to, I think, I think there is cause, um, you know, rapids has stuff like you should drink like orange juice and like ice cream is like a super food and like you should have like dairy snacks and then people sort of, um, run with it, you know, use his ideas to justify eating habits that they maybe already have. I certainly know that sort of what I'm doing. Why is ice cream a super food? Cause it's like high fat and high sugar content. It depends on the ice cream.

But yeah, it's like another kind of PD and ideas that sugar isn't actually bad for you, which I'm not totally sold on. Um, I mean, I think nothing is bad for you in moderation. Yeah. I think that there is, there's a larger kind of intuitive eating model and I'm drawn to Pete's ideas just as sort of like a template, um, because I think, well, when I lived in like Los Angeles, for example, I was definitely like somewhere on like the orthorexic spectrum. It's orthorexic.

It's like anorexic, but for health, you know, where you're kind of preoccupied with like, you know, I was like, I, but everybody's orthorexic these days, even fat people. Yeah. But I would be like, you know, kind of like panic stricken at the thought of like what I, what was safe to consume, you know, and was like, would be like choking down kale when I didn't really want to because I was sort of like, I think this is what, you know, like nothing is safe to eat except kale. Yeah.

And like juices and stuff and like, um, I like the Pete system, um, because it's sort of, because I don't understand it. And so I can project a lot into like astrology, I'm like, I'm eating like sourdough bread. But he's right about like, you know, like when I, when I got into his articles, I thought I had all these like preconceived notions, but he's not like, again, he's not some mere quack doing medical esoterica, just like reading the articles on progesterone and the thyroid. It's literally what my nutritionist has been telling me. And granted, she could be a quack too, but she has a highly credentialed establishment

internist who went off and started her own practice. But she talks about this like concept of like pregnant alone, steal like pregnant alone is the, the hormone that is a precursor that is converted into all these other important steroid hormones, your stress hormones, like cortisol, your sex hormones, like progesterone, which is the most important one. And when you're under kind of like physical or environmental stress, like you are like postpartum, for example, your stress will kill you. Your body will steal the progeny alone and turn it into cortisol rather than progesterone.

So you end up more after my pregnancy, I started having bouts of like almost like adrenal or cortisol fueled anxiety. I've never been an anxious person. It was like a great source of shame and despair. And like you could chalk it up to like being like a new mom and now being responsible for another person, always being on high alert, but it's not, it's like, it was a chemical feeling. Yeah.

And I will say, as like, you know, alcohol is really bad for me. It is. We're like pounding down, pounding down, winding. We need to detox. Actually, what he's saying is really intuitive. The thing about me is, is I'm on carrots and Ray Pete says you shouldn't sleep in the dark. Why not?

My mom knew this woman in Russia who came from like her grandmother's village whose skin was literally orange because all she ate was carrots. I've also heard that, um, Ray Pete cites a lot of Soviet studies, um, which I think are potentially unreliable due to the food shortages in the Soviet, well, and the fact that like the Soviets are like Russian people in general, they're crazy and prone to magical thinking. Exactly. Yeah.

It's all very Russian to me to be like, we, it's care, like the care, if you eat carrots all the time, you'll be fine kind of. But there's also a kind of, yeah, folky wisdom to it that it does appeal to me probably because I, well, it's appealing because again, it makes you realize that you have to take matters into your own hands because ain't nobody going to help you at the end of the day. And if you go to a hospital, they won't, they're just going to put you on birth control. Yeah, they'll literally, yeah, you have a weird cyst. They put you on birth control, literally, they call you have a gunshot wound.

They put you on birth control. They're like, you want some of that free plan B that's unlocked at the Dwayne Reed? They're like, you're down with some plan B. Um, no, literally the gynecologist I saw prior to going to the emergency room called me to follow up and was like, you should go on birth control. And I was like, why 31? You're 31. Why would you going on no birth control and like I have, if I have ovarian cysts, I don't

think the solution is just to chemically stop myself from ovulating. Yeah. Birth control is literally so crazy. I actually, I, I don't think that the truth about birth control will ever come out because I think it just didn't everybody's interest to, to suppress and deny this information. But there's no way that keeping young women at the prime of their fertile years on an artificial ovulation suppressant for 10, 15 years does not have serious deleterious, am I saying that right?

Um, health and mental health effects. There's no way in hell. Well, I told you about menstrual dialectics, my undergraduates. Yeah. Yeah. And that was in my very limited amount of research, even in like Mills College in Oakland, California in 2012 or whatever, um, was like, Oh, birth control is poison. Every single woman I talked to has like had an adverse reaction to birth control.

I have no doubt also, in spite of being, um, a died in the wall, uh, PCOS and hypothyroidism survivor survivor and have never had a regular periods and have never had fertility issues. Yeah. Why? Because not on birth control, guaranteed. I'm sure people will yell at me over that, but like it just, and I, I don't, I didn't not go in birth control because I had some like weird, like, uh, political or ideological thing.

It was just too lazy to pop a pill every day. You weren't even reactionary. It was retarded. I just don't want to take a pill and like get it from like a pharmacy. It was like too much to handle. I mean, I really distinctly remember the first time I took birth control as like a 14, 15 year old and like being overcome with like hormonal despair, like really being like, Oh, I'm like mentally ill and like sobbing and like my parents bedroom about how like

crazy I felt because I had been as a teenager, put on hormonal birth control in retrospect clearly, but at the time was just kind of like, Oh, it seemed like the right thing to do. I'm crazy. Like I just feel insane and I think a lot of parents let their kids go in birth control because they like thought it would help like regulate, regulate their period. That's not a thing. Yeah.

A birth control does not regulate your period. Birth control suppresses you from all of you. And then the breakthrough bleeding that you have every month is just your uterine lining shedding. You are not ovulating. It's not the fact that it is like, there's no medical reason for you to bleed. It's literally just this like conspiracy. Wait, what?

Do you have, doesn't birth control suppress your periods too, which is like the one perk that I can see for like girl bosses because you want to be able to skip the week of placebo pills during which you get your quote period, but it's not really your period. It's the uterine lining shedding. This is what no one even like, this is the truth about birth control is out there. And if you actually think about it, it becomes very clear that this is like something that people really shouldn't be taking. I'm sorry.

I know people are going to get mad at us for no, but young women should not be suppressing their fertility. I understand if you don't want to have a baby, there are other ways to like not have a baby. Yeah. I get it. Like I get deferring pregnancy, but suppressing ovulation is bad because your body is literally like, your body doesn't care about your job or politics. Your body is literally in a default setting that's been around for millennia and it's

literally designed to ovulate and that's the whatever, depending on how you see it. It's either the advantage or the disadvantage that we have as women. I think it's a little bit of both. I think it's both. Yeah. It's a dialectic. Exactly. It's true.

Anyway. Anyway. So Ray Pete, whoever he is, he's like, he's like a bunch of dwarves stacked, standing on each other's shoulders in a trench coat. Yeah. He's like the one sort of Oz. I mean, there's, oh, I looked up Ray Pete shrimp tails because you know me and Dana like, what about shrimp tails?

I love shrimp tails. Me and Dana. I love shrimp tails through the through the cartilage or whatever. And like, yeah. Wait, you do that too. I eat the shrimp tails too. Wait, really? Really?

Dan Allegretto. Really? Oh, it's because we're slobs. It's because we're slobs and we're disgusting, but he has a, I was, Dan, Allegretto has said to me like, they're fibrous, they're good for you. They're good for you. I just know it in my heart. Yeah.

And Ray Pete forums confirms, you lie, I can't eat the shrimp tails. We, okay. When we go to dinner. Obviously, why wouldn't you eat the shrimp tails? We always order a shrimp dish. And Eli being like the good American boy he is, he always removes the tail and he leaves the tails and I gobble them up like a pound dog. It's so romantic.

He knows to leave the, the tails for me. Yeah. I love the shrimp tails. Shrimp tails are good for you. Why wouldn't they be? You could get a shrimp hat. I just love to crunch through and I love to crunch through chicken bone. Same.

Like when you get the egg or the, the wing. Yeah. The egg. I'm like, sorry. I'm on my ovulation tip. The marrow. Yeah. Also, Matt, good for you.

Organ meats. Good for you. Everything I basically, Ray Pete confirms everything that I kind of animalistically crave. Like shrimp tails and organ meats is good for me. Wait, I didn't, I feel so, so happy that you and Dan Allegretto love to eat the shrimp tail too. I know. Matthew's really grossed out by it as well.

Why? Does he like shrimp though? Will he eat the meat portion? He does like shrimp. He thinks the shrimp makes him anxious because it reminds him a little too much of, of Gregor Samson, which reminds him a little too much of himself. I know the feeling really. I'm an anti-Semitic anti-hero.

I think it's, um, maybe that, but also it's not kosher. Oh, I was just thinking it was like an insectoid like creature. That's probably, that's probably close to true, but my, my feeling was like that, like he kind of instinctually knows it's on kosher and so deeply Jewish, deserved Jewish, um, that he's like rejecting it. His body's like rejecting it in some Jewish kind of rebellion or something. I don't think the shrimp is really making him anxious for the record. I think the, something else with the cortisol.

Does he, um, reprimand any of your other dining or dietary habits? Well, we got in a fight yesterday because he was like, I kept talking about repeat and he was like, you know, repeat probably doesn't think it's cool to, good to smoke weed and be drunk. Yeah. Like he didn't really like to hear me like pontificating about, about how like stupid health bullshit. Yeah.

Like a habitual weed smoker and I've kind of feel like if your health is good and your diet is good, it's harder for cigarettes and alcohol to kill you. I agree. And I think they're, yeah, it's, it's really like that. Gwyneth Paltrow smokes one sig a week. You're going to tell me she's not the picture. She smokes one sig a week. That's like nothing.

My endocrinologist back in my mid twenties told me that if I smoked under five cigarettes a day, I would be fine. Okay. He was my favorite doctor, by the way, cause he was very hot and Jewish in a gross way. He looked kind of like Mark Knopfler. I was very into him. Who's Mark Knopfler? The guy from Dire Straits and he had like puffy bags under his eyes and pit stains.

I thought he was very attractive, um, one of the Jewish doctors that fingered me the day I had to go to the PR was, um, maybe attractive, couldn't tell because they were masked, but one was awful and I was like, Oh, were they both male? Yeah. Oh, whoa. That's a gynecologist should not be males. I had a male gynecologist, a kid, you know, I've told the story in the pod before called David Turnoff, his name, turn, it was, it was the like anglicized version of the Russian

O V O F F literally turn off. I feel so bad for like, I need to look like Ray Karpovsky. Was he, um, you mean Alex Karpovsky, Alex Karpovsky, Ray from girls, um, hot, hot to me, but was he specter me? No, he was fine. He was just a, you know, ordinary garden variety too, but he had that kind of like no very like smug, surly, like the face that Matthew and I have like this, that Alex Karpovsky also has.

That's like the, the kind of like Russian Jew face with the big lips or like, and I was like, you're a male gynecologist. One of the male gynecologists I saw was very, um, I was kind of like, wow, I can, he won was so spurred out that I was like, I can see how you don't think it's weird that this is your profession. You're like fingering lemons, pussy, pussy, and like talking to me about, yeah, like making weird asperging and small talk like it's not next time you go to a guy now or any doctor, I need to ask them if they've ever heard of rapee.

I'm asking all doctors from now on. Okay. Has your nutritionist heard of rapee? I'm going to ask her when I see her next week. I cannot wait. I'm like chomping at the bit to ask her. Well, cause you know, I was seeing that nutritionist on zoom before I went to New Zealand and she was not familiar with seed oils being poison or, um, any of the other like right

wing eating habits that I picked up. She was, uh, yeah, seemed bewildered as to why I was drinking raw milk or anything on the other. But what was her advice to you? Like on average, like what was her average advice that I should I that that I was really deficient in nothing really, but calories and what I really needed to focus on was just kind of like eating an extra meal throughout the day. Okay.

Um, which I tried to do, but rapee has really inspired me to eat a nutritionally dense extra meal throughout the day. Like if you have like pizza or like pasta sandwiches, that's like seed oils. And bread. Yeah. Why wouldn't you just have like something like shrimp, shrimps like prawns. Yeah. I think she thought that I had more of an eating disorder than I did when really I was sort

of like what I wanted from a nutritionist, which was what, which is what I'm getting from rape. Pete was literally like a list of things to eat. Yes. Yeah. And she was just kind of being like, eat something that you want during the day, you know, and I'm like, I can't trust myself to eat something I want. I don't want for anything.

I need to be told like, yeah, the shrimp tail, the organ meat, the adrenal drink, the orange juice, the hog and dogs, whatever. Sleep with the lights on. Water. Water. This is peanut butter cup, whatever. Yeah. Carrots.

Get sprayed with a hose. Get waterboarded. Get choked out. Rape Pete says it's all good for you. Yeah. Especially getting choked out. Anything that you have to get your boyfriend to do doughnuts in a parking garage. Drive drunk.

Get choked. Have someone hold you down against your will, which I think is good for me psychologically actually. Yeah. It's to be a little restrained, because we're used to having so much freedom. Yeah. Exactly. We don't need it.

Yeah. It's too much. I know. That's why I love corsets. I'll give you this corset, but I don't know if you want to carry it today. Oh, okay. Well, we'll figure it out. Yeah.

Is that it? No, no. It's that one. It's in the plastic. Oh, nice. Yeah. Okay. Champagne colored.

Orange. I think it'll suit you. Can we carry it? But I don't know if you want to carry it all the way to Ruby McAllister's one woman show. That's true. Yeah. Grip it from you. Yeah.

When I'm back from my vacation. Yeah. I had this whole spiel about how he's also right about the fact that like when all these like newfangled forces propelled by marketing and pharmaceuticals change the diagnostic criteria for what constitutes like X condition or disorder, how it leads to like an accumulation of bad data. And then you can never and like so much of this is driven by absolutely and it's a profit making.

Yeah. So there's no incentive to get to the bottom of like human biology. Much like there's very little incentive to get to like the truth of politics or anything. Honestly, it's really it's the problem is of what we know and how we even think we know it and we've been led astray basically in every avenue. Yeah. It's like an epistemological problem. Exactly.

I was trudging around Soho the other day thinking like, wow, like it's clearly not me because I'm not horribly overweight or physically deformed. I can't find any nice clothes. It doesn't exist unless you're willing to pay like $900 for a beautiful San Laurent blouse that evokes the silver age of Russia, which I was not willing to pay for though I did take a bunch of selfies. And I was like, I have to like literally, like I have to take matters into my own hands and find a way to like Petra Collins style like design my own clothing because there's

a maker. Yeah. Like Russian style because there's literally no like every, every major human industry discipline field of human knowledge, human commerce, everything across the board has declined. Yeah. Like it's shocking and the most, of course, fashion is the most like frivolous and obvious example, but like medicine is the most important example.

Like you can no longer ensure why a high quality of life for people medically speaking. Why do, why have so many doctors throughout the years told me to go on birth control basically without knowing anything about what's even going on in my body, you know, because they're hoping that you'll go off and take it and experience some like temporary positive effects and like fuck off and be like, uh, they want it basically, I mean, yeah, medicine doesn't like healthy people and it doesn't like dead people, like something in between, which is like people on their way to death. They like to manager decline.

Well, I was, yeah, when I was, I hadn't started my period, I was like 14, 15, I was put on birth control to induce, or I was put on estrogen at first, why, but like also not having your period at 14 slash 15 is fine. Like at 18, maybe it's a little weird, but they, they basically put me on birth control to induce a menstrual cycle, which is I then later learned not even truly like an authentic an authentic menstrual cycle. They were just making me bleed. Yeah.

They were just creating a symptom. Well, then how do you know when you actually sag way into an authentic menstrual cycle? Like that's anyone's guess. You don't, you don't cause you're until you're off. So I didn't even have an authentic period until I was like 19 years old. But how do you know that you even had an authentic period because you were off of birth control and then I still didn't menstruate probably for six more months than eventually got whatever like was an actual like ovulation induced.

Yeah. Okay. That's not good. That's not fucking good. Yeah, like you should menstruate organically and the fact that a doctor will give a teenager her mortal birth control just to make them bleed as we're not even a medically meaningful period. No, it's just something that they like tick off, like they check off, like add their little

signature. Most girls, right? And I don't remember where I read this, but I think like maybe in the Victorian age, most girls had their period around like 16 or something, which is like it's trended downward. Now girls have their periods earlier. I got my period when I was 10 years old, which is abnormal. Right. That's on the young, my mom was 18 because she was a gymnast.

Right. Because she was the, okay. That's like craze. It's like eight year difference between two random women. Yeah. It's pretty wild. Yeah. I mean, there's downsides to both.

If you're early is also very negative, it makes you sexually precocious that it caps your height. Yeah. I was on the Jersey shore recently with a friend of mine who like owns a home there and she was telling me about, um, she's like Sephardic Jewish and she was telling me about how, um, in the Sephardic community, um, some mothers will give their daughters, um, like puberty blockers. What?

Yeah. And I was like, what? And she was like, Oh yeah, you only, you think that they only use it for like trans kids? Well, some, some women give their children puberty blocker, their daughters, specifically puberty blockers because it delays their period, which means they grow up to be taller. Wow. A parent. I mean, there's a genetic cap.

You can only be as tall as your genetics determine, right, but there's a range within that. Yeah. That's interesting. Which is crazy. I mean, yeah, because you know, those people hate the trans kids phenomenon, but love giving puberty blockers to their own kids. They love having a tall daughter.

Yeah. I don't blame them. I mean, height's not that important for, for a woman. No, it's not like the worst thing to be like a not tall woman. But still. Anyway. Do you have any other thoughts about rapey? No, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just,

I just want to get to the bottom of who he is. I don't know if we will. Unlike, unlike Bap. I actually care about his identity because he's a, or not a physician, he's a nutritionist. He's giving, he's giving medical advice. He is. Yeah. And we're taking it.

Yeah. And I don't care who he is. I just like that he does things a little differently. I'm just bi-curious. I want to know. Yeah. I don't know if he's gay. Well, there's audio, there's like recordings from talking and stuff.

And they're certainly the voice of one guy. Okay. Cool. Which are quite peaceful. They're good. Yeah. And they're nicely fragmented as well on you, on YouTube. This is, yeah.

I also want to know. As a low IQ person, his ideas also appealed to me like many of the people on the rapey forums. Oh, come on. You're not low IQ. Well, you know what I mean. Give me a break. Impression, whatever.

He's not going to actually like wrestle firsthand with the medical literature. Yeah. Really, he just wants like to Google like, repeat ceremonial grade matcha and like read something. And you could go for it, you know, I'm like, repeat smoking cigarettes. I'm like, he says nicotine is good for you. I'm like, good with me. I think nicotine is good for you and caffeine is good for you.

That's also one of his talking points. But I didn't even have to read repeat to know that. It's just like a fact. Shrimp tails, cigarettes, coffee. All the things I like that have borne me through. I think all the other stuff in cigarettes is bad. Smoke is carcinogenic. Yeah.

Well, all the filter or the whatever. But the nicotine. Formaldehydes. But the nicotine is good. They can't suppress the power of the nicotine. It's good. And it also protects you against COVID. I'm sorry.

Dan Allegretto is right. That's true. Famed nutritionist Dan Allegretto. Anyway. So I'm going to need you to wrap your feet in bandages and put some Tabas sandals on. Should we? We can wrap. Yeah.

Okay. I think this is a good and successful podcast considering the thinness of the docket. Three men? How could you go wrong? See you in half. Bye now.