Red Scare - Slay the Baby Away

Episode Date: August 19, 2026

The ladies discuss the ongoing Lindsay Clancy trial, Massachusetts' new abortion law, Luigi's guilty plea, and pay their respects to Hayden Panettiere.

Yeah. Hey, we're back. We're so back. Yeah. Here we are. How's it going? It's all right. How's New York? It's fine. How's L.A.? It's okay. Are you ready to come back? Yeah, I'll be back soon. I miss you a lot. I mean, I guess this is nicer for the listeners than for us, but I just like prefer doing it in person. Same. I know. but we'll figure out a way to incorporate video maybe yeah true i mean i've got a steam yeah oh do you what is it uh well just getting like a set up like maybe at our office oh true that we can use some time to do that yeah but i'll figure it out yeah i just got finished telling you that I killed Lenny because the postpartum psychosis had gotten too severe.

So now I'm free and flexible, yep. No, some guy, some guy on Twitter was like, this is just projection because you want to kill your own drug-addled brat. And I was like, dude, like, I have to have like a couple more. I have to have a couple more before I line them up and kill them. Like, go bigger, go home. killing only one is like whack Anyone can do that

Anyway Yeah we're going to talk about Lindsay Clancy Yeah and there have been like a couple of copycats since I don't know if they're actually copycats Well there was that one woman I forgot where But she killed her mother and her two Small children

Over a dispute with her husband because he was watching porn. And I think there may have been... Oh, and then there was the other woman who zapped her three-month-old with a hair dryer. Oh, I saw that's horrible, dude. Yeah. I know, well, I just sent you those stats that I chat GPTed because I was like, I was like, it seems like women are really killing their kids.

Yeah, I mean, I think... But it turns out men and women basically kind of... kill their kids at the same rate, which is still surprising considering, like, how much more often men kill in general. Yeah, that is shocking. Yeah, you're right. And I, like, I was just surprised because I assumed that men killed their kids at a much higher rate than women. They usually kill them when they're older. Yes. Yeah, I guess men kill their adult children like 70% of the time. Yeah. Adult offspring, newborns, especially within the first 24 hours. are overwhelmingly killed by mothers.

That makes sense. Especially in Massachusetts. And then infants under one mothers and fathers roughly equal. And then once they're older than one father is kind of predominate. Right. Well, that makes sense. But then with specifically children under five, U.S. data found about 30% killed by mothers and 31 by fathers. Okay.

and then mostly killed by non-parents. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. But, yeah, I think, like, obviously the reason that this story has struck such a court is because people like, oh, you're judging women were harshly than men. And it's like, well, you should in this case. Because, like, men are naturally, like, warlike and disagreeable.

But, like, a woman's, like, core attribute is that she should be, like, loving and nurturing. in the ideal obviously. And, like, of course, like, it's much more, not much more, but it is, like, slightly more horrific when a mother kills her children versus a father, right? Because, like, you have to think, like, well, you carried it, you delivered it, and then you raised it. And that's a lot of, like, effort and energy.

Yeah, yeah. I'm not even making a moral claim. It's, like, a technical claim. It's like, you know, it's like the... What about the time-sunk fallacy? I thought it's like being a slave owner. There's this myth that like slave owners like to kill their slaves, but actually they didn't because they were an investment and they cost money.

So they wanted to keep them alive as long as possible. Yeah, with Clancy, what's more shocking even than the horrible crime is like the true. crime wine mom collective response. Yep. Which is a very blackpilling. Yeah. Say more. That, well, just that so many women feel comfortable voicing.

I guess women love to be compassionate or whatever. But just the discourse around like postpartum and the system failing and all of that. Yeah, I don't understand. A lot of it just telling on themselves. Yeah, yeah. I mean, well, I thought what like Monica and Veronica and Kate were saying that it's like a martyr complex was very insightful and illuminating. Like it's not so much that they relate to her because they suffered the similar symptoms to a lesser degree and can sort of put themselves in her shoes and also want to telegraph that they're empaths. It's more that they are also elevating themselves as morally superior because they're saying, like,

not everyone, yeah, for not killing their kids. Not everyone can be as strong as me, yeah. That's certainly part of it, I think. But I don't, I just like fail to see what postpartum depression has to do with any of those. Well, in her case, they're calling it psychosis. Yeah. So she's killed her, admits she killed her kids. but her defense is claiming that she shouldn't be criminally responsible due to having

postpartum psychosis. Yes. Which is more rare, I guess, than just regular postpartum. Yeah. And I guess it's also rare because it's not often, but sometimes happens in women with no prior history of mental illness. I don't know. It seems like people are like really mixing.

apples and oranges, you know? Because this has nothing to do with like postpartum depression. And I would even dispute it has anything to do with postpartum psychosis, especially if you're of the persuasion that this was planned and premeditated, which I am. And she was like an obstetrics and delivery nurse, right? Yeah. So she was a relatively smart, savvy woman. Certainly knew how to slit her wrists correctly.

No, she didn't. As a trained medical professional, but she knew. She fumbled it. Yeah. And I read that, yeah, like her Google search history in the days leading up, she was like Googling like how to slit your throat. Yeah. Which again, maybe a nurse should know.

Yeah. It gives it a little bit of a premeditated feeling too. Yeah. And like, of course it like goes both. ways and like the prosecution will argue that this is evidence of the fact that it was planned and premeditated and the defense will argue that she was clearly desperately trying to seek help uh the the whole line about her seeking help and being denied it i don't find very convincing because it seemed like she had a lot of help and had relatively um

decent circumstances compared to a lot of moms. Yeah. Right? And she was supposedly heavily medicated, but apparently wasn't even really taking the meds. Yeah. She had brain fog. Yeah.

And claims she heard a voice that said, this is your last chance, kill the children so you can kill yourself. Mm-hmm. And on TikTok, women are saying that the, voice was her husband. Who was sending messages from her

computer. Yeah, that he's a covert narcissist and he actually killed McKin. And it was wearing different shoes to run his errand. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, I'm like zooming in being like, no, those are the same

shoes. One image is just more blurry than the other, the same fucking gray sneakers. We can do some forensics around here too. Well, I don't know. It's like my feeling about it also is like if there was ever a case where boiling it down to like a stark moral binary is the move, this one would be it. Because like if you start to plumb the depths of the nuance, right?

Yeah. What it says about like female psychology is very dark and damning. It really seems like with. Yeah. And it seems like I mean, you know, you sent me that like Liz Breyerninger. article in the Atlantic about how her insanity defense may fall apart. It's really like the actual fate of Lindsay Clancy is not particularly interesting. Well, she'll either, if she's found guilty, she'll go to jail for life.

Yeah. And if she's found not guilty, she'll be institutionalized for life, yeah. But unclear if that will be for life either. They could just discharge her. Once her brain hog clears up. I mean, it's not like she's going to, you know, reaffend. I mean, why did this guy have so many kids with this woman? I know, I know.

I think he should go to jail. I think he should go to jail too. For aiding and abetting, for being an accessory. Yeah, yeah, just not keeping an eye on the situation going on. Yeah. I guess today her mom and sister testified. I know, I saw that. Because the trial's ongoing.

Yeah. And they seem like such normies, which is also disturbing. Like no one's so much out for. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. But yeah, like her, the actual case itself is like not super interesting and is pretty open and closed. It's just like shocking to me how many people are like empathizing with Lindsay Clancy. Because like, yeah, she's wheelchair bound and she's like sobbing.

Yeah. But it is like nobody seems to want to like, I guess put themselves in the shoes of these children who were like, you know, at least two of them were like old enough to vaguely understand what was going on. And I guess she called them downstairs one by one, but like the other two had to effectively witness the first one being strangled. And then the last remaining one had to witness the second one. You know, that's like insane and harrowing. They were eight months, three years and five? And five years old, yeah. And like, you know, if you've ever been around children, which, like, you have, like, you understand, like, what children are.

they're like completely like innocent and dependent and they have like full trust in their guardians it's like so heartbreaking to think of that like trust being betrayed by their own mother well who is that woman who drowned her kids in the bathtub a few years ago and she was found not guilty second time around because there was a mistrialia i just looked into this oh yeah yeah and she's like in a asylum or something she's like in a asylum or something She's like spending the rest of her life in like the loony bin, yeah. I mean, Liz Brinig does point out that like there's this misconception that being found not guilty by reason of insanity means that you might walk free or that you spend less time in custody, but that's not true. And on average, they actually spend more time.

Interesting. But that's like all of these cases and they're pretty rare. Well, even, yeah, and that was a informative article. Yeah. Because it broke down kind of like what being legal, how legally insane differs from being clinically insane. Yes. And she talks about how in the Victorian era, criminal liability by reason of insanity relied on something called the Minotan role, who was a Scottish artist and Daniel Minotan, who is a Scottish artist and Daniel Minotan, who, whose paranoid delusions about a grand conspiracy moved him to shoot and kill a senior British civil servant in 1843.

And so then that designated that defendants are legally insane if they don't understand the nature of their criminal acts or that their actions were wrong. Right. So I guess we're talking about in this case, the defense will say that in that moment when she was strangling her kids, she didn't understand that what she was doing was wrong. Yeah. Because she was so dissociated. Uh-huh. Right? Because, like, now she obviously does.

Didn't she ask for an attorney? Like, not on after? Because she was conscious when she jumped out of the window. Yeah, yeah. What's going on in Massachusetts? What's going on at a different? Well, it's like, it's very, It's also very symbolic that this abortion law just passed in the state where this woman murdered her three children in cold blood.

They're really anti-natalist over there, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Are women okay? In Massachusetts, I don't know. So, yeah, governor, the governor, Mara Healy. she enacted a law that basically permits abortion up until birth? Yes.

That's also interesting because it's, well, New Jersey, Vermont, what's the other one? Colorado, a few, like a handful of states already have these type of laws in place that don't specify like a gestational age limit for abortion. Like you can hypothetically do this in New Jersey. is here, Colorado or Vermont, too. Until birth. Yeah, and everybody is pointing out... That seems extreme.

Well, yeah, and everyone's pointing out that it's obviously going to be used for very fringe and extreme cases for the most part. Like when, you know, the life of the mother is under threat or the child is found to have like a severe genetic abnormality, the big case that they were talking about. about was the child who suffered a stroke in utero. So they couldn't have known in advance. Because like typically with most congenital defects, they'll do testing like early in the prenatal

process. So that gives you a window to get the abortion like in a like a reasonable time frame. A slightly more humane. Yeah. But I don't know. I'm like not convinced the what was the I like put it through chat GPT. And it said that, so the main thing is that the law doesn't require a particular diagnosis such as a fatal, fetal anomaly as a prerequisite.

And it throws, it throws the ultimate decision making to the individual physician versus to like a checklist of statutes. Okay. Okay, so previously, So it's a significant expansion of the existing policy. Previously, Massachusetts law allowed abortion through 24 weeks. After 24 weeks, an abortion could be performed only if it met specific statutory exceptions. For example, the preservation of the woman's life or her physical or mental health, lethal fatal diagnosis, the unlikelyhood that the fetus could survive outside of the womb. So we're talking about like serious life-threatening issues that may present with either the mom or the child.

And then the new law. An abortion is pretty life-threatening. Yeah, it is. It sure is. And like, yeah, I saw retards being like, well, if the baby's dead in the womb and it's like, well, then it's not an abortion. Dip shit. That's, yeah. That's.

The new law called the Prioritizing Patient Access to Care Act removes that specific four-part statutory test. Instead, a licensed physician can determine using their professional medical judgment whether an abortion after 24 weeks can be performed or should be performed. Blah, blah. There were 99 abortions at 24 weeks or later in Massachusetts in 2024 compared with 84 and 224. 23. According to chat GPT, it removes a restriction. It does not create an entitlement. The key legal change is that the physician's professional judgment replaces the previous

statutory criteria. So I guess the idea is that, like, most responsible trained doctors are not going to be, like, handing out late-term abortions on demand. But you can see how this law will be used in. abused by like spiteful feminists to like flip the bird to like trump and men i don't know the um bishop robert baron uh-huh from of the catholic church he had a good post about it where he said what i found particularly gross was the reaction of the entirely female crowd around the female governor of massachusetts that she signed this barbaric provision into law they were clapping and cackling with delight because what can only be called infanticide can now be

practiced with impunity in their state. I'm old enough to remember when Mario Cuomo, the devoutly Catholic governor of New York, admitted that though he found abortion personally repugnant, he was, after tortured wrestling with his conscience, willing to give it limited protection of law. How far we have fallen from agonized and conflicted Cuomo to the present governor of Massachusetts and her entourage gleefully applauding the murder of children. And I think I saw you say something similar where it's like, why are you? Why are they so happy? Yeah, this should at minimum be like a somber occasion where you should try to resist your desire,

your urge to smile and clap like a surface shield. Like, why are you smiling? Like we're at minimum, at minimum we're talking about ending the lives of severely ill infants who cannot survive outside the womb, which is either way a great tragedy. Best case scenario. Yeah. Yeah. by like injecting like shooting poison into their hearts and making them stop like come on it's so crazy

it's awful i wonder well i actually i have a question i don't know if anyone's gotten an abortion recently but last time i checked they make you um listen to the heartbeat i don't know if they do that anymore i wonder if they still do that or if we've become so um i feel like the pro choice pro-abortion lobby kind of put the kibosh on that because that was like discouraging women potentially from yeah having rad abortions and stuff yeah but I'm really not I'm really not sure yeah I'm curious it's just ladies if anyone chime in yeah I mean I know like hit me in the DMs obviously I know why it's such a like politicized issue it's obvious you know but it just seems like there's such contempt for the pro-life position.

Yeah. That seems so unfair. I mean, Poglia, Pollya, excuse me, made the best point about this, which is, like, no offense, but the pro-life position has the moral high ground. It just does. Yeah, clearly. Like, whether it has. I'm biased. Yeah, whether it has a legal high ground is something that we can debate and quibble over. But she, you know, her point historically, which is like something I agree with is like, we, like the left weakens its case and does itself a disservice by pretending the abortion is not, you know, a grave sin and a great stain on your conscience that it like very obviously is.

And I understand like when you're rad. Yeah. Yeah. And when you're young and stupid and selfish, like, it's very easy to overlook that and, like, do as you please. But as Evan Barker pointed out, obviously, like, having a kid, like, motherhood meaningfully changes your opinion. A lot of women never get over that line. Yeah. Because less and less of them are, like, having kids.

So they, like, don't develop the receptors. I can sympathize with, like, young girls who get abortions because they're, like, stupid and lazy. But like, let's face it, like, most women do it for lifestyle reasons. And so it's, like, very morally distasteful when people throw around these, like, rare fringe cases of, like, severe late-term congenital abnormalities or, like, 10-year-old girls getting raped by migrants. Yeah. Yeah. And being, like, forced to carry a baby to term. And I'm like, I'm obviously pro-life, but I'm like, you know, I'm a Cuomo-esque moderate

where I can like understand how there should be like limited protections for it and it's complicated, you know. Yeah. But the alternative really does just seem like barbaric. Yeah. And I don't see how this doesn't lead to like that. I mean, I'm being dramatic, but like legalized euthanasia for children. You're like, I'm getting an abortion at 10 or 11 months. At 10 years old.

Yeah. I mean, it does, yeah, not to sound alarmist, but it does feel like it just like it's an infanticidal culture at that point. Yeah. And that is just a slippery slope and no one seems to really care about children. No, and the other thing is like I think abortion activists, like, I think abortion activists, like, I mean pro-choice people, not pro-life people, really think that they're like being radical or renegade. They're rebels because they're defending like women's reproductive freedoms or whatever against like red state conservatards and evangelicals. Backwards chards who hate women.

Yeah. And they're defending women's freedom to and right to no longer have to like cross state lines to procure an abortion. But it's like we already live in like a society that's like very hostile to children, does not see them as victims, does not think they have any rights except to trans themselves outside of parental controls. And like abortion like any like progressive battle is just doubling down on an existing reality. I mean, what do you make of like the clancy defenders who talk about how, like, mothers are uniquely devalued and that their mental health is of no consequence. And that's the system failed her.

I'm seeing that a lot. I'm seeing that being thrown around a lot. I hate that construction. Just like with Jason Arde. Yeah, RIP, by the way. RIP hate and paneteer. Yeah, it's, well, the crazy thing with Jason Rdae, too, is that, like I said this on the last one, that like liberals who are like so so eager so keen to see the world as being organized according to like systemic oppression and discrimination and equality were really happy to view this particular case as like a one-off by like a harmless fringe eccentric because again it was too funny and fun to ignore it was all fun in games but they don't really want to like interrogate the systemic nature of it and but now that he's dead that he like

went through with it, to everyone's surprise, they flipped around and they're like, well, actually, he's a victim of the system. But the system in this case is like the right wingers, particularly Nathan Kauffness and everything. They drove him to suicide, that sort of thing. Well, on the left, yeah, on the left they're saying that because he was the subject of ridicule due to his own, like, deceitful actions. Yeah. That the right, like, drove him to it. And then on the right, they're saying, actually, no, it's like the system that propped him up on this pedestal that he, like, shouldn't have been on that let him down. Yeah, yeah.

And I don't think either one is exactly right. I think it's just kind of. Yeah, no one can drive you to suicide because. A tragic unfolding of. Then it's no longer, it's definitionally not suicide. Yeah, it is. It's very, like, sad and tragic. But, like, he did this to himself.

and like, I was talking to Patrick Sandberg about it. We've been talking a lot about Jason Ardae, Lindsay Clancy, and he's like deep in the court TV paint. But he was like, you know, all suicide is tragic, but especially when it's not a no way out type situation. Yeah, he could have bounced back from work. Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah. That's what's so retarded and such a missed opportunity. But, yeah, you were asking a hope that he's going to turn this one around to fake to sound like. He's going to have memoir drops.

He's going to like pop out of a birthday cake. Yeah. I mean, the one thing about him is that he was in some ways like a random fringe eccentric because he didn't seem of all race grifters particularly wedded to racial grievance. I think he was just going along with it because it was trendy and fashionable. But he didn't seem particularly like hateful of white people. He didn't give a fuck. No.

He seemed like a... He could have come on Red Scare podcast. Yeah, I know. And then walked Elena Velaide. He had an open invite. But you were saying like, do you think like our society is uniquely hostile to and hateful of mothers? I mean, I don't know. I think maybe, yeah, partly like it's, I don't know if it's like our society, just like the two-income trap and the...

the decline of the nuclear family just makes it automatically harder to be a mother, right? And in some ways, though, like Kate was saying, it's for like a relative, you know, middle class, upper middle class person, it's kind of the easiest time to be a mother. Yeah. And there's also, I just think, like, part of the, like, contract that you enter into, as an adult is that you take on additional, you agree to take on responsibility and that makes you invisible because you don't get fond over or coddled, right? Like you have to pay your taxes, you have to like pay your bills,

you have to go grocery shopping, you have to do your laundry, do you a bunch of like boring, unsexy, unfun things as an adult. Having kids is that. Like, basically, you, when you have kids, you sign up for the fact that people are just going to be that much more indifferent to you. You know what I'm saying? It's just like a right of passage into adulthood. And that's like okay and normal.

I mean, as young. Yeah. As a child, this person, I don't want to opine too much because I don't haven't had that experience. Yeah. I mean, postpartum does seem plausible and real. Just like hormonally, obviously, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But most people don't kill their kids.

Yeah. I mean, I just... Sorry, go ahead. Hayden Panettaire had postpartum, too. She wrote about it in her memoir. I just read. I mean, like, everybody has postpartum. I just saw a lady who was lashing out at Matt Walsh

talking about how she had like extreme postpartum anxiety, which is the first time I'm hearing anyone talk about, I had that, like, as a person, it was, she called it weird and wacky and, like, out of body, which it was. Apparently, it's relatively common. It made me feel like an out-of-control loser because I'm a person who's, like, on the whole pretty relaxed and not prone to anxiety. So it was, like, uncharacteristic. But, like, and, yeah, it's like you're, like, plagued with, like, physiological like swings and intrusive thoughts

and that sort of thing and you know eventually over time it dissipates but like what does that have to do with like anything Matt Walsh said about postpartum depression and what does it have to do with a woman who killed our kids?

And well I'll pull it up because it's like one of his most reasonable posts actually and he's like Nancy Mace got a bunch of tattoos Is that real? Yeah. No, no, I thought it was fake.

Wait, no, she said thoughts and prayers. No, that's real. Jesus Christ. Thoughts and prayers to all affected by my sleeves. Made the mistake about putting my social media this afternoon. Some of y'all are out of control. My biceps should not be a news story. We have more important things to worry about.

And then there's like a sweaty selfie. Please don't over-sexualize my. Like, new, cute tattoos. Oh, no, why is everyone talking about my biceps? The most molested woman in-doseose. Oh, fuck, I forgot what I was saying. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, sure, like, you, yeah, like, you do, are, you are just, like, subjected to, like, insane, emotional and psychological and physical.

highs and lows after you give birth, no shit. But like once, what is, I, I'm like not convinced that being sad or depressed or anxious or whatever makes women kill their kids. I think women kill their kids, like I said, because they feel sexually slighted and they're punishing the man. It's like Medea. This is like a tale is. It's an ancient, it's an ancient tale. Yeah, it's a mythic tale. Yeah, well, in Clancy's case, it's not just your standard fare. The defense is claiming that it wasn't like, state. fair anxiety depression. Yeah.

It was a very unique case of like psychosis. Mm-hmm. But I agree with you that it also just doesn't, like, if she was psychotic, she wouldn't have had the forethought to send her husband on that errand or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

Like she knew that he would be under the house. So that, then she would have like a window in which to. That's rational. Yeah. She medically kill her kids, yeah. Okay, Matt Walsh said, a lot of people aren't going to want to hear this, but much of the depression that parents and not just moms suffer after childbirth is do not so much to hormones, but to the fact that children, especially babies, are demanding and difficult and require us to subordinate our own needs and desires for their sake. The more selfish you are, the more of an adjustment is going to be.

I mean, setting aside the issue that, again, this has nothing to do with postpartum depression or postpartum anxiety. Like, this is a pretty sane and sensible post. Yeah. It's just facts. Makes sense, yeah. Like, I think depression in general is, like, misalignment between what you think you're entitled to and what your reality is. Yeah, I mean, there's chemical components, I guess. Yeah, yeah.

Well, I remember when Bardo died, and I read her, like, animal rights memoir. Mm-hmm. And she talked briefly in that about how she really hated being pregnant, hated, having a son, didn't want a kid, like, you know. Mm-hmm. And even she didn't kill that. Yeah. She merely abandoned him. She did, yeah.

Yeah. Which is an option, folks. Yeah, you can just... Lindsay Clancy, why didn't she just abandoned her family? She could have pulled a Wanda. I guess she would have felt... Barbara Loden's Wanda, she could have just taken off.

It's that movie. Oh, that movie with the blonde act. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. She just abandons her kids and, like, wanders around. Yeah, which is, like, actually the base thing to do. But, of course, like, any, like, malignant narque,

Clancy, much like just a Jason Ardei, was obsessed with appearances and how she was perceived and it probably felt like it wouldn't have gone over well in her community

to dip out on her family. Well, so she was in treatment, right? Yeah, I think, and she was supposedly on a cocktail of meds, but was not taking them all. And they're all. She was on Sarah Quill, which is an antipsychotic.

She was... Well, I guess, yeah, now her husband is suing the doctors? Yeah, they jointly have a medical malpractice suit. Okay. They're in it together. Because the doctors weren't, like, talking amongst themselves and a... I'm looking at the list now. Yeah.

Larazepam. Larazepam Zolpian What's up Klanazepam That's ambient Because she had insomnia too Oh

Honestly she just needed a nice Xanax bar She needed the full bar And that probably would have straightened her out And a glass of And a big glass of white wine Red Mommy's resting

That's not that but yeah doctors are incompetent yeah but it's like what do you I mean what do you expect like sorry I think there's some culpability yeah we should have higher standards as a society I agree I agree with you that the medical system and the insurance industry are extremely flawed

and responsible for the death and suffering of countless thousands of people a year. But like I'm an, I'm illich-pilled, as you are. I believe in the watershed moment. But it is, it is really funny that when people broach these topics about like how like the, um, the medical establishment is a failure and has failed people, they always bring up the most like despicable and unforgivable examples like

Lindsay Clancy and Luigi Manjone as like examples of like people. getting radicalized, but whatever. Yeah. That's crazy. I mean, yeah, there's no, I don't know how much Sarah Quil you could be on to do something like that. I just, there were contributing factors, but ultimately she strangled those kids with exercise bans in the basement.

Yeah, at one by one, yeah. All children that she carried. So it took her like probably. about 30 months all in to carry these children. In the weeks before her hospitalization Clancy documented desperation and confusion

in her diary as if her mind wasn't working. I feel like I'm drowning every day she wrote I have crazy brain fog. She was checked in to a hospital that she checked herself out of and then 19 days later killed her kids. So I guess they should have kept her in the hospital.

Yeah. The defense. She said argue that she was merely performing late-term abortions, citing this new law. Because of her mental health. Yeah. Yeah, she thought she was justified. She had to do it because of the anxiety and brain fog. Long COVID.

She should say she had long COVID. She's so true, yeah. She needs to start masking at the trial because it's all being, like, televised. That's another crazy thing. I forgot who I was talking to about this. But, oh, Antonio and Rachel, but we were talking about how, like, basically that you can't have a fair jury trial nowadays because everything is, like, broadcast on social media. So where do you even find jurors who are, like, impartial unless they're, like, weird mentally ill shut-ins who, like, don't watch the news or, like, go on the computer? That seems crazy.

Yeah, I keep seeing, like, the meme that's, like, you're entitled to, like, the jury of your peer. And it's like your peers and it's like TikTok comments of people being like, well, he was a Gemini. So he probably did it. And she was a Leo. So it was always, it was doomed from the start. Leos don't kill their cubs. And I was like, wait, wait a minute. Wait.

Also, the Rachel did make an amazing point about Jason Ardei that the reason that he killed himself was he was British. And British people do be killing themselves. So true. Gloomy. Yeah. Mark Fisher, the Love Island people, they love to go through with it. He had to exit the Vampires Castle. Yeah, truly.

If he was an American DEI scholar, he would have never killed himself. It's true. He would have pivoted. Yeah. Fuck, there is like another thing I wanted to say, but whatever, I don't care. I'm more shocked by, yeah, go ahead. What does Patrick think? About Clancy.

Bad news. Well, when we started talking about it, he was obviously of our persuasion. And as time has worn on and he's watched Warren War and Warcourt TV, he's kind of falling prey to the Patrick Clancy did it, conspiracy theories. I'm intrigued. Yeah. He laid out, he sent me like 10 minutes worth of voicemails. Yep. Gay guy.

Yeah. TFW Fagg. You just have like voice mails or voice notes. You're like, excuse me, I got it. Yeah. Babe, are you cheating? And why? No, that's just my gay friend sending me voice notes.

Why does he think what? Why does he think Patrick? Patrick did it. Clancy. That is. Because he's self-hating. No, because he has systematically applied his powerful and critical gay mind to going through the evidence.

The messages, I would send you the messages, but they've expired. I even thought being like, since you're both in L.A. now, being like, can you just get Patrick up in here? I know. He wants to come back on, but he wants to do it in person, but he doesn't want to go back to New York. Well, it's fine. I'll go to L.A. at some point. I can all, like, meet over there. And circle back. Yeah. Wait, why doesn't he want to go to New York? I don't like it, he's over it. Mm-hmm.

I got it. Whatever. I mean, he could visit. I mean, weren't we in the girls chat talking about, aren't people floating the idea that they were internet together? Yes, that's another conspiracy theory. Because he stands to gain from this, like, malpractice suit. Yeah, basically. And that there was kind of like a coordinated effort between the two of them.

Mm-hmm. But I have a hard time. I don't know. I have a hard time imagining someone could be that evil. Yeah. Why have so many kids? Why have so many kids? I mean, have you heard about the Zulox?

Mm-mm. What's that? I don't know why I know this. Because, well, I was thinking about this construction that I've seen thrown around a lot lately, which is like, yeah, the system failed her. She was failed by the system. Her husband failed her. Like, she was failed by her doctors.

It's like classic woman speak avoiding responsibility. And I really hate it because I unironically think that given that we now live in such a low trust system failure of a society, the only way to make society better is to take on personal responsibility, which is like a hard argument to make because it's like a collective action problem. And in any collective action problem that like optimal equal. equilibrium is obviously to do what suits you in the short term, which is to not act in the interests of society. It's to act in your self-interest. So it never quite pans out. But I forgot what I was gaping about. Well, it's either we have, we like, women neither have to take responsibility or they need to be disempowered completely. Yeah, you, yeah, you either accept responsibility

or you forfeit the right to vote and have a bank account and drive a car. Because it's not fair. It doesn't work that way. And like in online. I'm a little more partial to that option, honestly. Me too. We too. I'm like, why don't you want to take that option? What do you need that for? It seems so much easier to have some like Jew controlling your finances at all times. but I forgot what I was yapping about sorry

what's the brain fog the brain fog yeah when in doubt blame it on the brain fog something about oh yeah but with the online discourse particularly it's just like yeah women want and expect now equal representation equal say but like they take everything personally and make it about themselves and like can't be reasoned with don't understand like truth verification claims it's crazy don't want to take responsibility yeah i'm finding that um oh right yeah that i was talking about yeah because everybody always wants to um see people like um jason ardey and lindsay clancy as victims of the system

And like the real victims of the system are people like are children who are failed by the system. Yeah. Like there was like Jason R. Day's children, Jason R. Day's students, Lindsay Clancy's dead children. There was that, I think it was like a one-year-old child called Preston Davy in the UK who was raped to death by his gay adoptive parents. It's such a horrible case. I remember that. And I was like sobbing, reading about it. it because he was put in foster care when he was like five days old and then handed over to

these two faggots who unleashed a world of like pain and torture on him and like yeah again like children really just need love and support and the fact that this child never knew like affection or love like really breaks my heart he's so cute too and the zoolocks are these particular evil gays out of Atlanta who like didn't kill but raped their two special needs adopted sons. I'm sorry to laugh about it because it's so horrible and dark, but them being named the Zoolocks is hilarious because it's such an evil and demonic sounding name. And like obviously only one of them is a Zoolog. Yeah, it sounds like a monster. But like the one guy took the name of his husband. Because it just sounded so good.

Yeah, which is like an abomination because like fine. I'm not like I don't really have an opinion on like gay marriage and I'm such a faggag. But like I understand why a woman would take a man's name, but you as a man should not be taking another man's name. What's wrong with you? I mean, it sounds like a lot is wrong with these guys. Yeah. And they were very, they were involved in LGBTQ activism as well. Yeah, it's so funny.

Well, at least they got put away. Yeah, they sure did. Justice was served, I guess. Oh, but the reason I bring this up is because those children and that child in the UK were failed by the system because all these, like, doctors and psychiatrists and, like, CPS officials, like, noticed that something was amiss but didn't follow up. because they're like overburdened and busy and that sort of thing. Yeah. So, yeah, that's my two sons. Do you have any other thoughts on the Clancy trial?

Maybe, not really. It's just, as you mentioned, black pilling and demoralizing that so many people are like rushing to her defense. And the, well, the thing that. It's really, it's setting women. back is what it's doing. It is. I mean, just I forgot who said this, but women going on social media has been a demystifying experience that hasn't worked out in the favor of women. It hasn't made us more appealing or sexy or desirable. One of the articles I read about postpartum was about how women, I forget, I think it was an NPR or something, how, yeah, women don't seek help for their

postpartum symptoms because there's like stigma around it but that really just doesn't seem to be the case that's not true it feels like we've actually destigmatized being mentally ill and wanting to kill your kids way too much and now women feel comfortable like hopping on TikTok yeah and like showing solidarity with Lindsay Clancy yeah this is unfathomable to me I know I know I know I know that's crazy I don't know any woman like I personally don't know any woman who like relates to or sympathizes with Lindsay Clancy. So who are these women? Like I see where she was coming from.

And I'm talking about like women. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sleep deprivation? Yeah. And like this is both women. Like the women I know are both mothers and not mothers.

And they all seem to feel the same that this is like beyond the pale. Yeah. So who. And a lot of these women who are like, Most of the women who are defending Lindsay, Nancy, are mothers, actually, because they're making an argument of relatability, yeah. Yeah. I mean, when I had my construction problem and I was chronically sleep deprived,

I could have snapped. I can relate to that. Maybe. But I probably would have killed my, like, that's, I just don't, if you're crazy, kill yourself. Even Sylvia Clark. If you're hearing the voices. Yeah.

I mean, her kids were in the room and she put her head in an oven, but at least she didn't kill them. Yeah. If you want the voices to stop, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I really like, don't get that. Should we talk about Luigi? I don't really know what's going on. I guess the, just that the...

He pled guilty. Yeah. To... to the stalking charges, but not quite the murder trial is postponed. Because I guess he's being charged on the state and federal level, and his defense is double jeopardy. Something about double jeopardy. Yeah, that part I get.

But why is this a big development? Because I think either way, right, like he's going to go to jail for life. seems that way. Yeah. And yeah, I guess, like how do you get a jury? How do you find a jury? Yeah, it's crazy because he's such an international celebrity. Yeah, which is what he wanted.

Of course. It was, I guess, vaguely technically interesting because both the state and federal charges about drop down. To second degree? Which, yeah, I didn't realize that. But this was like a while ago. Yeah, he said, I shot Mr. Mr. Thompson in Manhattan and he died. I knew what I was doing was illegal. He had previously

pled, is it plet or pleaded? I never know. That also drives me not. Good, good question. We're like Candice Ellen's the way we can't say any words correctly. Did you see the one of her saying she was trying to say cream of the crop? And she said cream of the pie? And there's a montage of her saying monotrosity Like many, many times, not just like fumbling it, like thinks that's the word. Like maybe can't read. True. I was going to say, well, we obviously mispronounce words because we learned the experience on the page, but maybe she's just functionally illiterate.

all the books we read that's why we can't talk so good and or ESL that's why we mess up idioms yeah deaf no seriously yeah I think it's cute when she does it and I think it's cute when we do it I agree I agree leaning into using our famine and wiles yeah he pled not guilty to both the state and federal charges now his lawyers are saying that his guilty plea in federal court

should prevent the state from putting him on trial for similar charges on the grounds that this violates double jeopardy. Wait, he pled not guilty? No, he pled guilty. Yeah, okay. Second time around, originally he pled not guilty to both. The state case was originally a more serious charge, murder in the first degree as an act of terrorism.

it was dropped down to second degree murder, and then it might be just thrown out altogether if they convict on the federal charge. I'm just confused as to why this particular technicality is important. Like, I don't care if Luigi gets two life sentences versus one, right? I guess that he, yeah. I don't really care. He just hasn't been in the news in a while.

Yeah, like, I don't care if Lindsay Clancy goes to prison or to the bin, you know. I guess I would like for her to go to prison. Yeah, I guess that, yeah, no, you're right. That makes more sense because she's just as a precedent so other women can't kill their kids and plead insanity. I'm not like deeply invested, but if I was on the jury, I would, I don't think the insanity plea doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, sure, yeah. She knew what she was doing. Yeah, no, I agree.

That's fair. But I'm saying if she's, as long as she's going to be put away, it's like whatever. Yeah. Yeah. It's like all I have to say about Luigi. Same. I don't have much to say about Hayden Panetary either. No, I don't either.

It's sad. It's sad. I've never. Yeah, I sent you the variety article that. The headline was literally like Hollywood failed Hayden Panettaire. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did it, though? Yeah, she was a child actress with kind of like a pushy show mom.

You could make the case that, yeah, her like, sort of traumatizing life led to her. It's unclear still, I guess, how she died and overgose, I think? Yeah, yeah. But I just thought it was, yeah, notewable. how much discussion there is of systems failing. Yeah. Somehow these systems aren't working so good.

Keep failing us, yeah. Mm-hmm. I wonder why. I mean, it's just like, what are systems? Like, systems are made out of individuals, right? Yeah. Like, ultimately, it's just like a network of people all working against you, all conspiring against you.

All trying to kill you. Yeah. Or drive you insane. I feel like a lot of this stuff, I don't know how to articulate it or whether I'll be able to articulate it now because of brain fog, but a lot of the seemingly real and urgent conversations people be having about like abortion, TFR, parenting, just anything to do with like kids or motherhood, like that feels like a proxy for something deeper, which is like, that everybody is effectively emotionally and often financially a child now. Yeah. And so people don't know, like, what to do or how to take care of themselves or how to grow up. And most importantly, like Matt Walsh was talking about, setting aside your needs and desires.

But it's not even about people's, like, unmet needs or desires after they have kids. It's just people have such a low tolerance for any stress or anxiety. They like can't handle even minimal discomfort. I think I said this on the last step when we talked about Lindsay Clancy briefly. But you think about like not even our parents, but like my grandparents, you know, who like grew up in like war-torn Belarus. My great-grandmother literally gave birth. on the front.

Yes. Yeah, yeah. And, like, imagine, like, telling her about postpartum. I know. It's, like, so insulting. Well, I have this thought. Like, when you have real problems, yeah. I had this thought recently because I just watched There Will Be Blood for the first time.

Which, like, I have a lot of questions about that movie. Like, why isn't it called There Will Be Oil? Because it's not... It's literally about a guy drilling for oil. Granted, this is like a fiction movie, right? It's like based on an Upton Sinclair novel that's probably fictionalized from real life because he was kind of like a muckraking journalist. But I was like thinking about the Daniel Day Lewis character.

Like, man, that guy is so rich and successful. And yet his life is so shitty and uncomfortable. Like he's just always hanging out in the desert and the dust. His like surroundings are shitty and spare. His food is like very basic. I don't remember that movie very well, to be honest. But like, I just remember he wants to drink that guy's milkshake. Yeah, that was like the annoying, overreacting.

I liked it way more than I expected. Because there was no weapon. I recently got into it with someone who was saying it's the best movie. I don't know about that. It's maybe the best PTA movie. I don't know. I'm not a big fan of PTA, generally speaking, but... Really? Yeah, there's something about it that, like, deter.

Well, because he's kind of, like, a magical realist. Not always. He really likes, like, religious hucksters as a topic or subject. I like Punch Drunk Love. I don't remember that one. That's the Adam Sandler and who... Jennifer Aniston. Emily Watson or something like that.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't remember that one. I mean, Magdolia was okay. Didn't love, like, the frogs raining down, but I loved, I liked the Tom Cruise, like, seduction community guy. The Pula guy. I think Julian Moore is good in that one. Yeah, she was good in it, yeah.

Phillips Seymour Hoffman, always sexy. But just, like, it made me think of how shitty and depressing. life was for most of human existence. Yeah. And people had kids. Yeah, even for rich people. Mostly didn't kill them. Well, just half of them died naturally. Yeah. Like, seriously. It's like you had like 11 kids and five of them survived. Maybe that's why infanticide is on the rise just because there's too many kids are surviving. Nature's not too doing it. It's horrible. Yeah, but it is like... Oh yeah, when there was more of a threat of your children dying, you didn't want to kill them as much.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I just think like all of our problems are like problems obviously of like affluence. Yeah, of abundance and comfort. Yeah, not of deprivation or anything like that. And really like, yeah, I feel not to be... sound like a total pick me misogynist you know but I see a lot of women complaining on the internet and it's like if you even have the time to get online and write a long-ass post yeah about how about your postpartum yeah that bad well that's part of the problem that's why you have postpartum

because you're spinning your wheels about it like I think like it's completely legitimate like if you're having like hormonal issues that lead to depression and anxiety after you had a baby like you should like talk to your doctor and your mother and your sister and your friends but I think just like also airing it out in public to raise awareness is not only undignified but harmful yeah re-stigmatized mental illness yeah seriously like it it actually really bothers me when women when you know some guy I'll grant that like whoever like Jack Posobiac and Matt Walsh you know phrase things in a way that's

rage baity and drives engagement and it is it is you know it is easy for men to say because they don't have to bear the physical psychological brunt of you know child birth and child rearing and they can continue doing their like podcasts or whatever

Justin Murphy does yeah and most of the like responsibility and anguish and pain does like fall on women yeah i can see how matt wall should sit this one out maybe but women have basically like they're their own worst enemies because they've like really cheapened their own status in the world and like ladies are setting us all back yeah um yeah and maybe it's not like the easiest time ever to be be a mother, like you said with the two-income trap and all of that and the like diminishing

maternity leave, like there are obviously challenges, but in terms of just like material lifestyle comfort, just put cocoa melon on. Put on cocoa, put on the mind control, MK ultra cocoa melon, pop a Xanax, drink a big glass of white wine. And no one has to die and kill your kids. Strangle those kids. Make it happen. No, no, no. You're not even going to want to strangle your kids. Because they're going to be gooting to cocoa melon.

Yeah. It's like, no, Catherine's right that like basically if you're a middle class woman, it is actually just like reasonably easy to rear a child. Yeah. it's not like it is one okay it is realistically one of the hardest things you'll ever do both in terms of like it's not easy but yeah yeah both in terms of the labor and the emotional labor like it is it is just really um taxing and involved in all that stuff but i really do think that it just again it's like the the child stuff is really not up for debate what's up for

debate is like the low tolerance for stress and anxiety that people have now. It's the same thing in the office, by the way. It's like when women take on too much responsibility and saddle themselves with projects and then have a meltdown and are like men in the office don't understand like how hard we have it. And they just, they leave work early and like fuck off and go drink a beer with the boys. That woman who is all who makes those videos about the mental load. Yeah. I know Chastising her husband for like not doing the household tasks for the precise specifications that she has because she's a fucking neurotic. Because he took the garbage out at 6 p.m. versus 2 p.m. as specified in the chore list. Kate had a very, she's been really going off. She had a great, I'm going to read one of her recent posts where she said,

normally if you slaughter a bunch of innocent children, it's a big no-no. But if you're the one person, If you're the one person in the world entrusted to love and protect them, and it's actually an exonerating circumstance. And you should be treated with art therapy and lots of ice cream and a kindly psychiatrist. I know. It's crazy how people are like, it's like the same people who are like, but Palestinian children are like, won't you think of Lindsay Clancy and her feelings? Yeah, like why are women the only one?

one's allowed to kill their kids when they should probably be, you know, the least allowed. Yeah, I don't. I like, yeah. Anyway. Yeah, I feel so bad. But the other, I was reading also that Hollywood Reporter article that you sent me about Hayden Panetteer. By the way, I've never watched a single thing that she's been in, show a movie or

whatever, but I had a weird, like, attachment to her randomly as an actress. Like, I don't know. I just always have, I thought it was, she was, she seemed really pretty and sweet for some reason. Even though she's not really like my type of woman that I would ordinarily gravitate to, I also, I just always thought she looked like a really pretty, like, Ukrainian or Belarusian peasant girl. Like, she has something Slavic in her face. And I thought it was really cute that she married Vladimir Klitschko because they were like race matched even though she's like I'm assuming

like Italian Irish or something I wonder She's like fully But yeah she married that Ukrainian Ukrainian guy right Yeah the boxer who became like a politician And then they got divorced

But she like She reminds you of like Glasha from Come and See Like that kind of girl Oh yeah That would look really good and with Chavanka. So I was like really touched by her always and it's sad that she's dead.

But I was like reading the excerpts from her memoir that's forthcoming. It is crazy that we now have two people who like have forthcoming memoirs who just suddenly died. You're dead. I know. So we need like a third one. But just like the brushes, the brushes with like sexual assault and harassment. Yeah. That she describes or like nothing.

burgers. And granted, it's probably like, somebody put her up to it. I doubt that she was even like, I'm going to sit here and disclose all this stuff to, because I feel so traumatized. I think she was probably also just trying to make some money by selling a book. She was writing, yeah. And yeah, and to her credit, she didn't, she didn't like, she wasn't very, like, active in like the Me Too or Times Up era. Yeah. Yeah. She was just telling her tale. And she's different. She wasn't like some aspiring starlet who like kind of knew what she was getting into. Like she was a child actress.

Yeah. So she didn't really ask for any of it. Right. But I'm just like surprised by it because I guess my impression of her was that she was so sunny and bubbly. So it's like shock, like surprising to learn that she was like a drug addict who was deeply troubled, you know, which is sad. But like in that in that book, I guess she talks. about how some

older, like, writer or producer kissed her on the lips at a party when she was 18, which is like

not a big deal and how like another Oscar winning writer producer exposed his testicles to her at another party.

And then there was the odd incident, which seems possibly more problematic, but like these, that's not. But would she evaded, yeah,

she says, or like, but I think like when you're, I just, I think when you're that young and like relatively sheltered. Yeah. Because I read those excerpts too and my impression was more just that was like her sort of being like confronted for the first time with like not. Hmm.

You know, being protected. Right. Yeah. And I don't even know what the context is. It was more like disillusion. In the memoir. Yeah. But I guess the Hollywood reporter Obit was.

trying to basically dredge up these anecdotes as evidence that she had been, like, you know, failed by the system or whatever. Which is also just so sad and, like, insulting to her life to frame her as, like, a victim of the system in death. She was also, like, more than that. She was, like, a successful actress and mother. Yeah. No, she had. She wasn't, like, I mean, like, Davy Chase, you know? Yeah, yeah.

But like there's, you'd be hard pressed to find like a child actor that's not messed up. Yeah, of course. Like it's not so much that the system failed. It's that the system's like designs. Yeah, it's working as intended. Yeah, exactly. By churning out the most molested people in history. Yeah, it's a molestation machine.

And it's all going according to plan based like on the desires of the people. people in power. Yeah. Anyway, I forgot what I was going to say. Oh, my only, when I was in Japan with the Comtown boys years ago, me and Adam were like getting ramen really late one night, and we met like a super drunk Japanese businessman, literally like in the suit, like out of a cartoon, you know, and he started talking, He started talking to us, and he told me that I look like Hayden Paneterre.

I remember that, yeah. And that Adam, because he had a mustache at the time, he was like, and you look like Super Mario. Wait, that's so random for a Japanese salary man to, like, know who Hayden Paneterre is. I know. He was like heroes. Not like Kirsten Dunst or something. And I look nothing like any number of morphed hair. famous recognizable actresses. Yeah. I guess you guys both look

Slavic. But other than that, I don't really, don't really see it. He was probably just blackout drunk and I had blonde hair. Yeah. Yeah. And I remember her, I didn't really watch, yeah, like you, I sort of maybe watched Nashville a little bit. Mm-hmm. But I remember her Neutrigina commercials. Oh, right. Yeah. True. And I clocked her charm then Mm-hmm Anyway Well

Well I'll be back next week Yeah we'll be back in the studio Yeah See you and hell See you and hell Bye