Red Scare - Smothering Heights

Episode Date: February 28, 2026

The ladies review Emerald Fennell's Wuthering Heights.

I have a great episode for you. Highly anticipated. It's actually, it's timely. Yeah. It just came out. So I'm proud of us. Yes, me too. Because usually when we do a movie up, it's like a dry docket or like what's in the theaters.

Yeah. The movie's like from 1968. Yeah. It's this Pee-E Herman documentary kind of no one cared about. So we did it. we went to go see 28 years later Bone Temple

I actually did see that the week prior it's really good really sick but we saw Wuthering Heights which was so bad yeah what did you say

that you had nothing nice to say about this movie I have a single good thing to say Anna well then as my mother said you don't say anything at all so we may as well wrap it up wrap it up

that's great I feel like when we review movies, we generally like benignly disagree, but we both really, really hated this movie. Well, I think I have more of a, you know, I have pretty low standards

to be honest and like I like to see the good in things. Yes. I'm more of a generous viewer. Mm-hmm. Well, you, yeah, it's like that God, I forgot who said this. Which is what makes the show so good. That's the Anadasha dynamic. Yeah, the Anadasha

experience, yeah. And And yeah, I forgot who said this. Was it like Pushkin or Chekhov or something or somebody speaking about one of those guys? But like you have to appreciate a work of art by its peaks, not its valleys, which I really do appreciate the sentiment behind that. And when I am critical, it's obviously like as a labor of love because I do appreciate the, um, the, um, tremendous work and energy and effort the filmmakers and actors put into their craft. But that said there's like literally nothing redeemable about this movie whatsoever. Well, yeah, it made me think back to, right, it makes poor things look like Barry Lyndon.

Yeah. Like I think back to like the evidence that we did about poor things, which I was like, you know, I have, I'm like, oh, it's a little like whimsical. It's a little, you know, or like Marty Supreme kind of drags and it's a little formulaic You know, like you have these critiques of movies. Then you see a movie this bad. Yeah. And you're like, I'm never saying anything bad about the softies ever again.

You're like, those movies were masterpieces. I didn't know how good I had it. I know. Wuthering Heights was like when you are, it felt like looking at like X videos like right after you like busted a nut. Like the whole movie. Like you know it's like technically sexual, but it's like. It was the most unsexy. It's like repulsive.

Yeah. upsetting, ugly, like, oh, like vulgar stupid. You know, those, um, like mugs and candle holders? They sell in like, shoops and Bushwick and Williamsburg that are like different types of tits. Mm-hmm. That's what it made me think of. Yeah. With like a cuss word.

It made me think of like Timothy Faust, abortion is rad t-shirts. The whole movie was like, it. an ad for abortion. It was like an ad for plan B. It was. It was the most like antisexual, anti-natalist ugly wretched film made by anti-sexual, antinatalist ugly wretched people. For an audience of like women who are like on birth control SSRIs, their clits are like numb from using like Hitachi wines and they um yeah have some like email job. Yeah. We used to call them girl bosses in the early days of this podcast, but this is like something else. It's like girl serfs.

Yeah. It's like perusing Reddit posts about your sex life failing or being a femme cell. It's so dark, dude. It's alarming. It makes me think like something, like this is like a red flag for the culture. It's like, honestly, it's every. And I would forgive so much of it if it looked okay. Like I'll watch a great point.

I'll watch a bad period movie as long as it's kind of like easy on the eyes. This also looked so bad. It just offended me. Oh yeah. It was so ugly. The set design was hideous. The interiors hideous. The costumes.

The costumes. That's the one thing it could have had. It could have like. given us a costume. Like everything looked like something Beyonce would wear on tour. The costumes were made of like latex.

Latex. And what's that like crinkly plastic wrap fabric? That I groaned out loud. When she comes out in the nighty that's made out of cellophane. That's when she's losing her virginity to her betrothed on the night of her wedding. Yep. What a disgusting

scene. Godless love. movie that does great insult to the source material of the book, Weathering Heights by Emily Bronte, which I just started reading. It's pretty interesting so far. It is very dark and gothic. I'm going to finish it, I guess.

I'm going to finish it right here on this podcast right now. Let's dig in. But yeah, all the characters in the book are clearly meant to be unpleasant and terrible people. Sure. and Emily Bronte understood this and intended it and Emerald Fennell to her credit also understands that that was Emily Bronte's intention

except she doesn't understand what makes the character so terrible Yes and she doesn't understand that what makes the characters in the book redeemable is that they're young that like when you watch a adolescent like Kathy's 17. Yes. For the majority of the book.

Yeah. And we're supposed to believe Margo Robbie, who's like 37. She, I think I read somewhere that Emerald decided to age them up. Uh-huh. Because they're not plausibly teenagers at all. But even that is like the whole, like when you are watching young people, you know, behave in unseemly ways. vicious ways.

Yeah. It's because they have like. folly and youth and passion that is like and youthful folly that's like driving them to like consequence or ruin or like you're that's like that's the tension that's like what makes something dramatic tragic literary interesting watching two middle age people like yell at each other in the rain is just is pathetic like that's not that's from the jump like it's not interesting well let's okay so she's 35 how old is Jacob He's like 28, but he also, he doesn't, they're supposed to be young.

Yeah, they're supposed to be young and he's obviously like visibly younger than her in the movie. I'm going to preface this by saying that Margot Robbie is obviously very gorgeous and beautiful, but she's too old and fat for the role. She's a clearly postpartum. Wrong kibbe type, as you mentioned. She's like a robust athletic blonde. Obviously, Catherine Earnshaw is a, um, dreamy sense. that if BPD wave,

Marga, Margaret Quali would have probably been better for the role. She's a brunette. She's like a mousy brunette. Even she's a little too healthy, but she could play frail. Margo doesn't even try. Like, she looks like, I said like she's never been calorie deficient or like even had a cold. Like she looks so Australian and old.

Like, I don't buy it. There's nothing like in her. And again, well, she's beautiful, well, obviously. But nothing in her face like inspires like tenderness or she's just completely wrong. Yeah. And they have no chem. They, I don't care if they fuck. Yeah, that looks really.

Yeah, their chemistry is like non-existent and lacking. Yeah. It feels like. Even on like the press junkets. They got rid of all the interesting elements of the book because it's like a sprawling, dynastic inheritance saga by literally killing off all the future heirs

there's three children that come after Catherine and Heathcliff I don't think there have been any adaptations that tackled like the second part of the book Okay they all kind of yeah like Because it's like a romance fantasy But which is a shame because

You know they replace it yeah with like this Bushwick tier like bean flicking and body horror and the future heirs being Kathy, who's the daughter of Catherine and Edgar, and Linton, who's the son of Heathcliff and Isabella, who are eventually married off by the cruel and scheming Heathcliff, so he can take possession of both of the estates. Which, again, also is what makes, like, the things that unfold in the first part meaningful,

is that they, like, reverberate through time and have, like, multi-generational effects. And this is literally like that like these people when they were so young like made these decisions that like doomed to their children. Yes. And there's even, you know, Catherine and Heathcliff are the main characters of the book, but they don't have such a central role as they do in the movie. Like Catherine dies midway through the book and then her ghost stalks the moors and marshes. And there's like this interesting supernatural angle that I haven't gotten to yet where Heathcliff exumes Catherine's body after. she dies and becomes possessed by her spirit, which is why he's such a mean and contangorous old man. At the beginning of the book, the book starts as a, in contemporary times for the time and then

is retold in flashbacks by Nellie, the housemaid. The Chinese made with a mean face. And of course, it's an adaptation. So I don't expect it to be faithful to the book, but the way that it deviates. from the source material is very like interesting and also uh i guess upsetting well annoying i don't think it was i do think i believe in the artistic license to completely you know even like it's on a mood board yeah and you're calling it weathering heights but what finnell does is like not only does she just disregard what is compelling about

the source material yeah she still like she doesn't make a movie that's compelling in its own right it's like leaning on the prestige and context and association of being Wuthering Heights uh-huh but if you because I read I read the like vague I know I definitely didn't finish it but I feel like I've read it kind of in high school it never really it's not my thing right like I said I'd rather read a Russian book mm-hmm yeah I'm gonna I'll give it a shot but it's already way better than the movie obviously of course but that's yeah like I went into the movie being like, okay, I'm going to just watch it, like, on its own, like, as if it has nothing to do with weathering heights. Yeah.

And she doesn't do enough, like, structural work or character development to make you care about. Yeah. It just seems bizarre. It's confusing what the movie is even about, except for, like, the raving fanatical, like, fantasies of, like, awashed up, aging, empty egg cartons, roasty, And of course, who's like dreaming about like being ravaged by a roving young brute or whatever. And of course like, again, Margo Robbie, extremely beautiful and gorgeous baby Gerald, Hollywood actress. But she's a stand-in for all of these like office worker women my age. I mean, there were a lot of zoomers in the theater.

I think it's really resonating with like, like, wide demographic. Brainwashed women everywhere. Yeah, yeah. There was actually, I was seated next to like a row of five Zumats who had gone together. Mm-hmm. This is the most packed movie that I've ever been to. Usually I'll go to a movie and there'll be like three people in the theater.

Yeah. And they were all like sniffling and crying and having emotional outbursts. And meanwhile, I was like just... Unreal. ...repelled and seething. Yeah, I was like scoffing. and like rubbing my temples. If I'm going to spike my cortisol,

just like doomscroll Twitter, I don't need to spend two and a half hours doing this. I hate it every second of it. This is going to make me infertile. It's so disgusting and evil. It does. It's, I know. I know it's like not that serious.

And like part of my aversion is a visceral like taste thing. And it's something I've interrogated before. Like why like the timbreed. Burton kind of carnival. Dia de los Mertes kind of crap really rubs me wrong. And I don't know. I have to do, I have to. You have to do some Jungian shadow work.

I do. But it does just make me feel so gross and bad. Yeah. No, it makes me, you know what it makes you feel like? It makes you feel like when you get your period and you want to kill yourself. Yeah, that. But like, it's like when you like run out of. have tampons or something and you have to wear a pad and you have like swamp ass. It makes you

feel like menstruating watching this movie. It's like the I guess I can go through the there's a lot of like yeah these overtly sexual but extremely unsexy scenes and like symbols. Let's see. I have there was that Fran Leibowitz. clip circulating. I think some gig I posted it in response to Wuthering Heights, which she talks about how the AIDS epidemic preceded the death of like a whole subset of a population that was basically the death of like connoisseurship. Yeah.

And so like the quality of the audience has declined. Yeah. And that's how exactly how Wuthering Heights feels. It's like the audience has like. Yes. Just the bar is so low. I heard these girls behind me as I was leaving literally being like, I heard the most annoying gay guys, you know, being like, it was so good.

It was so good. I know. And then these girls being like, when she was wearing white, like white symbolizes purity. Oh, my God. All the conversations that made me feel crazy. It's like going on black relationship advice, Twitter, which I've been doing lately, where like all the tweets are like stating the obvious. If he doesn't respect you, you got to leave him.

if your man is not being intentional, then terminating the relationship is valid. It's like that level of discourse. And sometimes they be saying stuff that like, there's wisdom. Yeah, but like they say it in like that it's, you know, black people love to say residents instead of home. Female. And profession instead of job. Females. That's one of the better ones.

Yeah. They should, you know, they should remake this with a. all black cast whether how come no one's on that? That's a black man name. Wow. He dips out on her and comes up in the rap game. Comes back with that little earring.

She has three baby daddies. He's like, girl, I did this all for you. And she's like, you need to give me $300 to get my hair and nails did. Yeah, Heathcliff obviously at some point. point, she accepts Edgar's proposal and Heathcliff disappears because I guess he overhears some chatting and she calls him lowborn and suggests that marrying him would be degrading, but he doesn't listen to the part where she declares her love for him, blah, but I actually missed that part because I was like taking a week

one of many because I kept taking bathroom breaks. This is so incensed. And then he returns like a made man with a mysterious fortune, a weird gay earring. Have you seen like the new, um, the new fungal STI that's making the rounds in the gay community they invented a new STI they got monkeypox round too yeah except it's like not a virus and not a bacteria it's a fungus and it like um what it like appears as like gross like keratinized um masses on your groin and armpits and like chin it looks so disgusting i love gay guys as like a um of course ride or die faggag And Friendly, but Whits is right. The AIDS epidemic was a tragedy.

Yeah. For all of us. But it was a tragedy that they really... Because of what we lost in the culture. Yeah. Yeah. And she's very astute in pointing out that, yeah, because people typically, when they think of the AIDS epidemic, they think of all the artists who are lost.

But there's also, yeah, like a huge chunk of the audience. Just like real aspetees. Yes. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Who like... Who like...

Who also had... Project Runway and Rupal's Drag Race faggates. Who also, yeah, were tapped into probably like, yeah, like genuine animalistic desires. That people like Emerald Fennell could never even, I want honestly, I want to beat her ass. It's crazy. I'm like, does she like, what is wrong with this woman? Because I hated promising young women too. Yeah.

And I didn't even see salt burn. I don't need to see that shit. Yeah. And then this, you know, for the girls in the gaze. I saw a great tweet that was like Emerald Finnell. is that he say it? Emerald Fennell is one of the few

young women directors who hasn't been the victim of misogyny though she should be. She definitely should be. I'm about to victimize her misogynistically. Well,

because, yeah, and Fran's whole point is that after these gay guys died, these amazing gay guys we used to have, everything became more broad. Yeah. And Emerald Finel certainly is broad and this film is I'm calling her fat

but also the movie is also if you were calling her generic or fat. Also the movie is broad in its scope. Yeah. And taste. Uh-huh. And like I mean is it too?

It's like it is like Bushwick House of Yes like haunted dolls. Well it's always going to have a little bit of that because it is like that's forgivable. in isolation, like some of these things are forgivable. Some are not. But in its amalgam, there's nothing good.

So it's a flop. I just think like you could have really, like even if you were going to deviate significantly from the original, there are so many missed opportunities for creating, yeah, like beautiful exterior shots, beautiful interior shots, beautiful. Make it a vibe. Costumes. Picnic and hanging rock. Yeah.

I saw another great take that was like every time I was thinking this scene couldn't get any worse Charlie XX's voice came on. The soundtrack. Yeah, it was all the even the non-Charlie song so overwrought and like inappropriate. Yeah. And then the Charlie ones, it's like, yeah, she's literally, she's going for Marie Antoinette. Sophia Coppola's the strokes. Yeah. Contemporary.

Worse in every fucking anachronistic. That's fine. That's fun. Fia Coppola did it very well. Right. Those are very beautiful. Apex twin, Versailles. Yeah.

Genius. Mm-hmm. It can be done. This is dog shit. This is the worst shit I've ever seen. Yeah. And there was like going back, there was all these like, uh, gross sexual scenes and symbols that were like, you know, the eggs in the bed as a practical joke.

The snail crawling across the window pane. The kitchen made kneading the dough. in a way that like mimicked flesh slapping together during coitus, it opens on this hanging scene. That was the best scene. The first like, it sounds like he's coming. Yeah.

And you're like, oh, is somebody dying or are they fucking? And then she runs with that. Sex and death. Yeah. Yeah. Le Petit Moore. We get it. What if a corset is painful?

It's all such low hanging fruit, you know? It's just like. vulgar girl boss feminism, but in a new modern iteration that got the software update and has become even worse. Because of like kink culture. Yeah. Like there's a scene where Heathcliff licks the pussy juices off of Catherine's fingers after he catches her like flicking her bean among the rocks. Which is just like disgusting and unnecessary. I've seen I've seen step sibling pornoes. are more cinematic and valuable than this whole movie. And like the thing, yeah, the whole movie is also premised on a very appealing and erotic

trope, which is an incest fantasy. And they even botched that. People were contrasting this with like a scene in Pride and Prejudice where the male character who plays Darcy, I don't remember the actor's name, like brushes against Kira Knightley's hand while she's enter. during the carriage, which is like way more sexy and poetic than anything that you see in this film. There's nothing sexy about it. It's like devoid of eroticism. It is like pornographic, but without even really committing to that, it's not like immoral tales. Yeah. Or like some amazing

like Catherine Brillet movie where like you're actually seeing something transgressive happen. It's all like very contained, very like HR. friendly, compliant, book talk slob. Well, it is, yeah, it is, um, HR friendly slop on the one hand, but on the other hand, it's just like completely like tasteless and vulgar in a way that makes you like uncomfortable, not aroused. It's like the cinematic equivalent of the fact that you can now buy quote personal massagers at CVS and Target. Yeah, it's disgusting. It's like the enemy of sexuality. Yeah, the democratization of sex toys, which I always found to be like elude and offensive and like sex negative at the end of the day. Um, what else happened in this horrible? Um, irredeemable film. Uh, the, oh, the other thing that really, um,

grinded my gears is that, of course, the character of Heathcliff is supposed to be ethnically ambiguous. He's like this foundling that Catherine's drunk dad brings home from the big city one day because he's sick of being long-housed by women. Well, that's what there was like a first wave of controversy when she cast a lordy from like woke people with BAs in literature being like Heathcliff isn't white. Yeah. And to whitewash him.

Yeah. instead of casting an actor of color. Uh-huh. Like, erases the complexity of the book. And, like, I guess from what I've gathered, he's supposed to be Romani. Yeah, he's a gypsy. He's possibly, like, you know, a spaniard or an Indian. I'm a Lardty. He can pass.

He can pass. He's just the right amount of ethnically ambiguous. Yeah, he's actually, that isn't the problem. He's a swarthy white guy, which is what Heathcliff is more or less. Which, yeah, in Victorian England was. like white. Yeah. So he was like othered.

Yes. And actually that's probably like the best decision. He was a Jew. Should have an Adam driver. Wait, he's not even Jewish. No, but he's always doing Jew thing. He's always doing. Oh yeah, he's like male Rachel Senate.

Jew face. That was fine. Jacob Alorityis Heathcliff. He was the right amount of. of ethnically ambiguous for the role. But then the Punjabi, the entire, yeah,

the entire cast is like a Chinese woman or a Vietnamese woman playing Nally and like a bloody packy playing Edgar. Which completely like, that was the annoying part because it completely defeats the purpose of Heathcliff being ethnically ambiguous if the whole cast is like underlit people of color extras to quote Steve Saylor. Yeah,

you can't cast someone more ethnically. different than Heathcliff, he's supposed to be the one that's different. Yeah. It's like more incoherent than whitewashing. Yeah. It's like so confused. On purpose, I'm almost hostile spiteful.

You know, you had that great line that I retweeted today because somebody quoted you about, God, I'm going to pull it up because it was really, really great. Yeah. What did I say? It was from the last episode. And I'm glad somebody noticed it because I feel like people don't listen to us anymore. In the super punishing doldrums of the peak woke era entertainment had this very spiteful edge. And you kind of spoke too soon because she really brought that back.

It has a spiteful punishing edge of this movie. Yeah, the Asian actress who also ages too drastically. She's way old. She's like 50. Margot Robbie is 40. How much time it has? Jacob 40 is like 30. Yeah.

But they're supposed to be the same age. Yeah. And she ages like severely. She doesn't wear sunscreen. She looks like shit. And Margot Robbie being like, Papa will whip me. It's like you're grown.

Like he's like it's just, it's like really disconcerting the way she's acting. The Asian or the the servant companion being a poor Asian woman. was actually... Kathy. Kathy, wear your hembag. You find husband. I don't have chance to find husband. Kathy, you are disgusting.

Her tiger mom ass, assistant. Uh-huh. She, her being Asian while a grading and annoying in a flagrant way is like woke more correct. because she was like a scolding and scheming project manager, bitch,

who was like clearly jealous and resentful of Kathy and her beauty and freedom. And youth. And youth, a relative youth. And so she was keeping her down by, through this deception where she was keeping the correspondences that Catherine and Heathcliff wrote to each other away from them. burning, like throwing them in the fireplace, which ultimately leads to

Catherine's untimely wasting in death. The most disgusting scene of the entire movie where she's like getting blood let by leeches because she's in sepsis. Yeah, right, right. And then has like an abortion or miscarriage and is bleeding all over this pink satin sheets, which is...

I kind of fully went on my phone at them. point. It's like really repulsive. I like couldn't even look at it at a certain point. I had to like avert my eyes. Yeah. And I don't mind go. I like, you know, I love gore.

I don't, like, there's this movie called inside, this French film. Yeah. About a pregnant woman who's being like stalked by some freak with scissors who's like trying to cut her open and it's really, it's very like, it sounds amazing. That sounds amazing. Yeah. Like French wave of like those really fucked up horror movies. And I like that shit.

typically. But in this case, it's so stylized. It's like more offensive on a taste level than the, than the gore itself. It's just unclear what the, um, what purpose it's hoping to accomplish because yeah, it's just like mucky and demoralizing. It's, it's neither sexy nor scary. Well, I have actually, I have a note about. No, no worries. I mean, the other thing that's like so much. insulting about them cutting the child

heirs out of the movie through this horrid abortive scene it's not so much that I'm opposed to like the ideological implications of it or even to like the technical deviation

from the source material again but that it's done in such an opportunistic way to expedite this cheesy, corny sexual fantasy that the movie really is about. It's like a paperback novel.

Yeah. Those are probably much better, honestly. Yeah, the one where the woman has to work at the minotard dick-sucking farm or whatever that people were posting. Well, a male friend of mine was like, I feel like feminism is exposing the ways in which like female sexuality is super like revolting like

disturbing and I don't think it's like an innate female sexuality I don't like something feels it's like birth I think birth control yeah or like an over stimulation overly like pornographic culture or something it doesn't feel like a natural expression of like desire or or eroticism. Yeah, it feels like women sustaining, entertaining some fantasy that they think they should be into. Well, it's for people who like, they just want the intensity. They want to experience intensity.

It's like using a vibrator. Yeah. Like you just want the like stimulation of intensity, like devoid of context and meaning. And that's why the body horror stuff. I just think body horror female directors love to do it because it's so excessive. and so easy to make like a feministy ass gross out you know yeah and to seem is look how grotesque it is blah blah like edgy yeah and intelligent doing it exactly but it's low hanging I'm a woman and I'm going there yeah I'm doing a menstrual symbolism I'm doing abortive symbolism I'm just like free to call oh y'all and like

and yeah it is like the corset's too tight like the length It's like baby brain ass. She has pig's blood on her skirts. And maybe the corset's even tighter. You can hear her bones crunching. And it's a symbol of how femininity is oppressive. How women do these things to be beautiful, but they hurt them. But what if the women like it?

What? Yeah. It's like the bizarre, creepy like BDSM relationship between, Heathcliff and Isabella where he chains her up like a doggy and makes her write letters to Catherine and even that which is the most transgressive

part or like the most cruel or the most like even that he remember when he the scene where he keeps asking her like do you want me to stop? He's like asking her over and over I will never love you and I will always be thinking of her do you want me to stop but yeah then he's like

getting cruel and brutish do you want me yeah the affirmative consent that like traps it all in this like sterile contractual like the worst thing about beaism yeah like act like no one has to actually be like accountable for any pain because everyone's like consenting yeah and so then nobody's cruel and nothing matters yeah and yeah it's actually just purely consensual and bloodless yeah for all the for all the blood it is a very like bloodless film and I think she's also trying to do this thing where she wants to be edgy, she wants to be an edge lord, and be like, see, I'm a feminist, but I know the truth about female sexuality and that it's submissive and likes abuse.

And like wet and like messy. Squishy. Women are messy and our sexuality is messy. Is that a problem? But the truth is like everyone, men and women. women respond in a health if they're in a healthy like a physical mental spiritual orientation yeah respond to like restraint and like seduction and discrash like these are the things that are like sexy it's not like a music video of margot roby and galore mystery like doing a doggy style charlie x the x it's not it's not brat that's like like

it's just not. Yeah, I mean, that was historically, like, the problem with feminism is that they, um, exposed and, quote, normalized things that should have stayed private and discreet. Yeah, the Victorians actually weren't really on to something. Yes. Yeah. We don't need to, like, bastardize and destroy their frame. Yeah.

to make the kinky, Wuthering Heights. That just looks so bad. Yeah, it looks, well, it looks like jumbled, confused, incoherent, which is actually a good allegory for modern day female sexuality. And the fact that you would, like, effectively abort your child, not for a great and once in a lifetime timeless love, but for something as, like, gross and narcissistic and petty as like getting your rocks off and getting your bean flicked by some guy that you're not even that into you're just into the idea of him because he's like young tall and hot and you actually

don't know what kind of guys you like because you're a modern day like paper pushing email job feminist yeah and you're an ass i like i like chads with muscles or whatever tall yeah if don't even under six one need not apply don't even match with me on tinder if you're under six feet tall And yeah, again, I like a lordy. I think Finnell is just atrocious director. She's missed, you know, even though the casting maybe was okay with him, it's so much of it depends on like his height is doing a lot of heavy lifting. The like physical, you know, discrepancy between them.

But even then. I actually thought that was weird and unnatural. Like how much taller he was than her. I think she should have been even smaller. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Like even more extreme. he should feel even more like monstrous.

Yeah, like Frankenstein or notsvara. Again, comparatively nosferatu. No, you're right. You're right. It's like I wish I was 20% smarter or 20% dumber. But this kind of sucks. It's liminal space. Richard Spencer, speaking of liminal space is really like the movie and saw it as a white supremacist epic.

Retard. He's just as bad. just as bad as the intended audience for this film who sees it as like I don't know what like an empowering because he's a dramatic womanish faggot yeah it doesn't know who doesn't know he wants except for like fleeting power and control over others yeah like a sensation of intensity yeah people yelling in the rain they're middle age so you don't have to think about how they're younger how your biological clock is ticking Nope, like they are your age, but they have all the time in the world to like spin their wheels in this like dumbass love story with kinky elements that are like totally above board sanctioned and consensual. Here you go.

And there's there's a part in the movie where Heathcliff says to Catherine like, You know what? You want me to ring his neck? I'll kill him about her husband. And her conscience intervenes. And she's like, no, I've fallen, I've degraded myself too much. I've fallen too far. This must end now.

But then like, you know, starves and wastes her unborn baby. Should have just killed the husband and taken his property. I don't really see, I don't really see the problem, the conflict in this film. It's like, okay, she married a rich guy to save her family's estate and is having an affair with a formerly poor guy who's now rich. Like, just keep it moving. Well, in a, you know, there's no conflict here. I mean, in a novel, I assume, it's more of like a slow, you know, like Anna Karenina,

you know, that's a long-ass book. Yeah. About a woman who cheats on her husband kills herself. Yeah. And that's like a relatively like banal drama, but what a novel is able to do in what a film should or can also do, you know, is like make you feel like attached to these people so that when these things transpire that are in the grand scheme of things relatively banal, they have like a charge and a humanity behind them.

It's like, yeah, elevating the mundane or whatever. Yeah. I've never wanted a character to die more than I wanted Margot Robbie's cat. I just wanted her to die. I wanted her off the screen. I hated her so much. I think with a different act, I mean, in a whole different mood. You need a whole different movie.

You would have been like, oh god, this poor girl, she like can't even control her emotions. She doesn't know what's going on. Like it's so tragic. What's transpiring. But this year just like, why is this adult? She got freckles drawn on her damn face. Why is this 40 year old woman? Like me.

She has a 40 year old with fake freckles on her face. Like who can't control herself. Like, I don't feel bad for her. I hate her. Yeah. Like when Nelly tells her like you're a repulsive. You're a discrequent. race. Get up. I was like, yes, you strong Asian tiger mom queen. Tell it like it is.

Yeah. No no pity party, no weeping for yourself. But you just don't, some actresses, you watch them cry and you are sad. Yeah. No, it's not even her fault. It's just the whole framework around her. Margot, it's not her fault. She just shouldn't have been played this part. Apparently she wanted to. She's a producer, I think, on it. And I think that's like she, because she has like, market value, which she clearly does because this will be a big box office hit. Like she was like, I want to play Kathy and brothering heights, even though I'm twice her age. And maybe not like the appropriate type. And so they just let her do it and Finnell like bolstered it with her twisted stupid vision. But the effect isn't there. It's you don't fees.

I don't. anytime she cries a lot and I never feel anything. Yeah. When Kirsten Duntz is crying and Marie Antoinette, when she's like running into the room to be by herself and like sob because her, you know, you feel,

you really feel for her. Yeah. And she looks so. Marie Antoinette 14. Kirsten Duntz incredibly cast like looks so young and beautiful and it's like, but genuinely looks like, Jason Schwartzman too. It's you're like,

damn, they're just these like clumsy teens. Yeah. figured out it's so sad. But even if they weren't teens, like you should be able to like, yeah, inhabit the reality, the consciousness of even an unlikable or problematic character and find something redeeming in them, something relatable. That's like the point of, not even movies, but art in general.

Yeah. That's my favorite type of art that deals in unpleasant, unlikable characters or at least troubled problematic ones, right? Or because you see something in them because you have, you are able to access their humanity and it's something that it's inside you that maybe you don't like and you're everyone's capable of it and you don't most people want to look away so then you have this catharsis it's like ancient this is literally like what draw the essence of drama why giving like black relationship advice and unpacking what art should be i'm like if you're a movie doesn't make me care but there was it's

just like shocking how um just like totally congenitally incapable this movie was in in in drumming up any sympathy or relatability with the characters and it's equally shocking that so many people seem to like it and it seems to resonate with them. It's so scary. Like I was always under the impression

that if you give people a good product, they will respond and the only reason they go along with like subpar products is because you know, the bar is low and it's all they have at the moment. But apparently not. People, girls and gays really like this movie.

It's not even like, it doesn't even have like the pretense of being a good movie. You know, like sometimes the movie is not very good, but people like it has like classy. Like A24 is very good. Yeah. Kind of like mystifying and like making something seem like classy and cool even if like the product itself isn't maybe there. Yeah. But this doesn't even have that. It's also cheap.

Yeah. You know what movie I saw recently, Boondock Sanes, which is, you know, laughable, terrible film, but it's so charming. You watch any movie from the odds and like redeemable. And also that guy Norman Redis is really sexy. Also watched half of this movie called Limitless starring Bradley Cooper. Yeah. And Robert Teniro, which is like weirdly like anticipates like our moment.

moment. Is it Adderall? Yeah, like people like popping a magic pill or whatever. And, you know, he's some like midwit blowhard who is like depressed and anodontic and living in like his like bombed out like Chinatown apartment. And then he takes this pill and suddenly understands like global financial markets.

And like how to play piano and how to speak Italian and French and seduce women. And it's like a midwit's like. idea of what being smart feels like. But it's such a fun, good movie in spite of being like just terribly cringe and bad. I mean, there's so, like,

that's what I'm saying, like any movie from the odds that, which is for my, the interpreter with Nicole came in where she works at the UN. Everyone was like, this sucks at the time. You watch it now. It's like better than any movie that's got in the last 10 years.

I know. I got in trouble like in 2019 because I, because some, I forgot what movie. It was like Uncut Jems or some other. movie and I was like, guys, watch Carlos Swara and everybody was like, whatever faggot boomer, which was annoying of me, but it's true. Like, it literally is true. And like, uncut gems masterpiece. I know, I know. Compared to Wuthering Heights. Uncut Jams is like

Citizen Kane compared to this movie. I'm not really a fan of Citizen Kane, but you know what I mean. Literally the best movie ever made compared to. It's on a different level. Wuthering Heights. Yeah. It doesn't even feel like a movie weathering. It's like insulting to even call it that. No, it is like, um, like if Softie Brothers films are like, um, a sequence of memes, this movie is just like, AI slop. It may as well be. It's like literally slop. You can make a better, like you can make a better, you or I right now could go online and

in three minutes make a better movie using AI and feeding it some prompt. Like anybody. I know. It's really, I really seldom take this heart of this stance. No, I know. I'm very, I'm very, I mean, I kind of figure that you would hate it. I couldn't imagine that you'd like it. No, nothing was good about it.

Nothing. Not a single thing. But yeah, you're generally like way more forgiving and generous than I am and I, and I I'll like find something to, like, I want to have a good time. I love 28 years later Bone Temple though it had its some It wasn't perfect It had its flaws

But in Highly recommend Commits to the violence in it And is like genuinely like weird Yeah Which is more than you can say about honestly most You know what is really good that I'm liking? What's that?

Is the Ryan Murphy Oh you mentioned yeah Love story I'll fire that up It's good It's you want like It's on again on such a different level.

And I'm not like a huge Ryan Murphy fan. Right. Yeah. But I'm kind of becoming one. Because I liked his Ed Gein show too. The Addison Ray had a cameo in and thought he was doing a lot of really interesting things. And in this it's like yeah, you really want Carolyn Beset

and JFK Jr. to hook up. And it's tense. They like, it looks cool. It's the 90s New York Calvin Klein. The outfits are. Dece? Yeah. Accurate. Because we complained about it based on the

There was a lot of... There was a lot of backlash from early press materials that they weren't going to nail it but they're doing a good job, honestly. Yeah, I mean, after seeing this movie I'm never going to say anything bad about anyone's art again

because this is like the worst piece of art. I don't even want to watch another movie. Yeah. I'm like, it's washed. It's over. Emerald Finnell. What is this bitch's problem? I don't know.

What the hell? Shit. Had some other complaint that I was going to... I've got more. I said, oh, there's a lot of intensity there, screaming and crying and it's raining, but they're basically just experiencing, like, there were points where I saw them both just emoting

and bless their heart, both of them act in their hearts out, like, oh, like, but it feels so, vacant. They're just both emoting at each other and not actually. And part of that's the editing, which is also really bad. Right. Yeah.

But it doesn't feel like they're even communicating. Yeah. I mean, I was thinking even about like how like the set design and the architectural shots are, were really like just bad and incoherent. and like mixed metaphors, like they were trying to do some kind of like Stanley Kubrick, clockwork orange placement of contemporary objects into like period scenes. Yeah, like the fireplace at the hands, the wall upholstery that was hurt, you know,

her skin with its blood vessels and freckles. And it turns out more like Hellraiser-esque. I wish. But it's like palpy 80s body horror. But even that franchise is much better. Hellarizes. Hellarizer is amazing.

But what I think it is, it's like, it's derivative of Yorgos Lanthamos. Yeah. Which is him, you know, he himself is derivative of other like more sophisticated things. But it's like that's what's insulting. Like the scene where her father dies. And there's the like surrealist cartoonish amount of like alcohol bottles around him. Yeah. And she's like kicking his corpse.

That felt very. land the most. Yeah. Like basically a reference to a guy who's still like making movies today that just came out like a couple years ago. Yeah, she's she's like a good, a girl who's like a teacher's pet and good at taking notes but has no theory of mind for anything. But she's able to like mimic.

I think her mind. Classic cinemas, I guess. I think her mind is genuinely very small. Yeah. And there's something just I don't know how to articulate this because obviously like in making a film you have a lot of like creative ladd attitude, but like, you know, the kind of craggly, um, demonic look of weathering heights versus the, um,

derivative of Marie Antoinette look of what's the other? Well, Marie Antoinette is Versailles. Yeah. That's like period authentic. The rush cross grange. I felt it was more like the favorite or poor things where it's this kind of like, or even like, uh, hunger games, you know, where it's like the wealthy are like extravagant. and like cartoonish.

But it has kind of like, I guess, a rococo a like futuristic steampunk edge. Yes. To all of these like historic interiors and exteriors, which felt hate to see it.

Poorly executed and somewhat cheap. Completely. The materials felt cheap. I don't know what it was shot on. Uh-huh. But the lighting, the fabrics. Yeah, the color grading even was like inconsistent? It's very like spirit Halloween haunted howl like the billowing smoke just feels like a

fucking haunted house. It doesn't even feel atmospheric like the constant rain feels retarded. There's no and this is what I hated about problem. The thing I hated the most, sorry. I'm all, I'm really chimping. The promising young woman, which also had a lot of bad qualities, one of the worst things about it. thought was that it took place in this kind of like any town USA like she worked at a kerry mulligan was working at that coffee shop and like i guess it's kind of a college town or something like it's like takes place nothing nowhere and this also like Wuthering Heights the damn books named after a place like the place is a character you know and if you can't even like do the service of like creating atmosphere that feels inhabited yeah it'll

It just feels like set, like Instagram backdrop. Yeah. Nightmare stuff. It's so bad. It's like when, when people get like black satin sheets and, um, strew rose petals over them and then post it on Instagram or Twitter for Valentine's Day.

And all you can think of is the cleanup. Or like, you know, it's like an Indian person who works as like a call center employee. trying to reconstruct a canonical American or English period room

from scratch or yeah like you know it's like I remember and people think Donald Trump has bad taste yeah they think he's like gilded and tasteless and it's like look at this bullshit

you people like the red light oh yeah and then when her hair she has the braided hair piece that's also like corseted Yeah Makes you think

Bondage You know they thought they were serving with the looks What if being a woman was kind of like bondage But she wanted it But It's like Breeder King shit It's like yeah backer Yes every woman's fantasy

Is being raped and impregnated But then you have to go through with it and have the air to the dynasty. It can't just be about like your office bean flicking. I mean, they, they don't have sex in the book. They don't. No, that's another thing that like there's a lot of like, emotional intrigue and sexual tension.

But obviously, like, Emily Bronte was not writing about him, like, licking the pussy juices off of her fingers. It's just disgusting. That's like why people. of pride and prejudice. Yeah. Because it is, yeah, about the, like, glance and, like, the manners. Uh-huh.

That, like, keep everything, like, under the surface. Uh-huh. Like, that's sexy. And it leads you to, like, extrapolate and imagine and fill in the blanks, which is where eroticism dwells. To long. Are there any yearners out there? Or just gooners.

It's a gooner. The gooners have won, and the yearnors are down bad. but I'm going to I'm going to take a pro yearning stance that that has way more like dramatic artistic value than just some

goon fest yeah and the the gooning's not even like fun or free spirit it's just like mechanical even the substance which I didn't particularly like I'm like at least that like

it did kind of make me horny because it was edited in this very like like actually pornographic looping way you know that does kind of like tap into like your reptile brain and it had a very consistent aesthetic

which as everyone knows also the the key to women's erotic desire is repetition consistent Some restraints.

Like no one actually wants like the sex. Yeah. Like they do but that's like, you know, it's about the build up. No, I would truly rather watch porn. I mean, there's. I would have just watched porn for two hours. There's like definitely like that. It's like way more interesting.

Yeah, way better. Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes we're like watching porn and you. hone in on like the fucking shitty like ravelin hair dryer on the sink vanity or the pantry stocked with shitty junk food snacks there's so much to see it's true and it is a cinematic form and it's more honorable than this yeah like are women not watching porn Why do women want this? Yeah, no, I don't know.

I'm sure they are. Like, I don't really understand. Who wants this? Yeah. Who wants this movie? Who asked for it? Wait, there was another, um, let's see. Like, Allorty was way more sexy as like Elvis.

Yeah, or the. In Priscilla when he was like, yeah, euphoria at least, yeah, it has like consistency and it's like pulpy. and it's like effectively campy in a way that doesn't like offend but yeah like in Elvis when he's like doesn't even have sex with him because he's like gay and on pills

like that's sexier to me the only parts of the movie that rang true were passages of dialogue that were I think deployed to be unfairly unflattering to the main character like when her dad says you have no children and nothing to do but make yourself ridiculous. Since you will

toss your coins on the floor, you will stay and watch me grope for them. That was, yeah. He was the best actor. Yeah, he was giving hold the girl who played Isabella was good too. Yeah. And I did like when she acted like a dog. We can't say who she's reminiscent of.

Though it's so striking. But when she acts like a dog, that was cool, even though like all of the like context about it was really like sanitized. Yeah. And you didn't actually get the feeling that she had become like right and like she even like winks at the mean Asian lady to like indicate that she's like in on it yeah like she's not actually being subjected and to like cruelty and pain like she's likes it like she's in control like give me a break sure shut the fuck up um then there's a point where Kathy asks why did you leave me and he was like well because you you shacked up with another guy and said,

I was too lowborn for you to marry. And he says, I have not broken your heart. You have broken it. And in breaking it, you have broken mine. Which is a very true statement about the nature of female sexuality. Sure. Yeah, women are addicted to self-sabotage. Like, I get it.

I understand. But, again, it just doesn't hit the same when it's a post wall. You know, like, Margo's not even post-wall. She's gorgeous. Yeah. Just, I mean, for, I think for the... She's poorly utilized and not the right actors. For the intense and purposes of this movie, she is.

What? Let's leave it at post-wall. Let's leave it at that. Yeah, and it's, yeah, you're like, okay. Like, so you're like... Not as a woman, not as an actress, but in the context of this film, yes. That's, like, middle-aged women who made a bunch of bad decisions as, like, a fully developed adult is, like, upset about them.

like I don't care really uh-huh like she doesn't seem particularly like narcissistically selfishly wastes everyone's time by dying for weeks or months I don't know how long it takes her and doesn't like represent anything like even in like like blanche dubois who is also kind of like a monstrous you know very female archetype she has like nobility she does have like a a human dignity. Well, she has pride that she foregoes and betrays. She betrays herself. Because she's from this other,

she's from like an antebellum time. Yeah. And like her demise is the demise of like a world that has ceased to exist. And so it's like contextually meaningful. It matters. It's like that's what's sad about it. She's a pitiful and pathetic character, but you can still sympathize with her.

She has a light inside her. you know, like surviving in light of her circumstances and then until she doesn't. And none of that isn't. I didn't see anything even remotely like that. There's, I mean, yeah, there's no, like, charm or grace about this character, but there's no particular, like, viciousness or cruelty either. She's just, like, kind of a non-entity, a non-factor, and we have to spend, like, two and a half hours with her.

the other thing that just dawned on me now that that's very perplexing is for how like opportunistic and incidental it was of them to you know scrap the whole second half lineage arc

of the children who grow up in the shadow of their doomed forefathers or whatever the lost bait the the dead baby in the movie is a boy when the living daughter in the book is a girl. So it is like this really like cruel feminist angle where she destroys her son. Right.

Is it a boy? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even. Yeah. At that point I was so like, like averting my eyes and like texting. But they obviously make him a boy not not for like ideological. feminist reasons even, but because

just for the stalk trope reason that he's like the heir. Right. Yeah. So it's more legible. Which is also, if I recall, like a plot point in the book that they don't produce a male heir and per their like inheritance. Only like Heathcliff and Isabella end up having a male heir.

Right. Yeah. And that so that is who inherits like that estate. Yeah. Yeah. So that's. but I get it. You can't like do all that in a movie the way that a novel can, but you can make a movie that's good on its own merits. Yeah, of course. I mean, there's, there's a character, Catherine's older brother, I forgot what his name was Hartley or Hinkley or something, who appears in the book. He's, he becomes the heir to Wuthering Heights after their mean drunk father dies. And they sort of collapse his arc into the arc of the father. Because at that point, like that seemed like a fair.

reasonable decision because they were just, it would have been too complicated to introduce this other guy and this other family line. Maybe not. I'm sure it's been done. I haven't even seen any of the other adaptations. Yeah. Which is why I also feel like I can appraise it in a very objective way. And all of that would have made it better, but not.

There's just, the lack of chemistry is a structural flaw. Like the whole story depends on. these people having a genuine attachment to one another. Because the whole idea, right, is that they are... Which is wrapped up with all these other things. Wild at heart and free spirits in the same way. Yeah. And yeah, they have these like pathologies.

But when you're young, the decisions you make kind of like fossilize and cement your troubled personality into ways that are meaningful. But when you're old... Who gives a shit? Right. Like you're already, what the fuck happens? Who cares? Yeah.

You know? Ten years ago. How long has this movie? I don't want to see a movie about middle-aged people being petty and pathetic. And horny. And definitely not horny. Unless it's a movie about that specifically. And it's like a cruel, ironic, dark comedy.

But if it's like we're supposed to suspend this. belief and pretend that these people are actually young and unformed? No. I think I read that yeah, Phinell thought that they were in their late 20s, early 30s. Was her in her version.

She's aged them. But why? Because for sexual consent purposes. Yeah, because that's how old you have to be consent to sex, which is also gross. Who only?

wants to see that. And yeah, there's like because modern people, women really are so like arrested and stunted, they can't even see like a representation of young people who act like them. Because it'll like remind them they need they're more grown. Yeah. So instead everything just panders to this like. Yeah. Oh, this like undiscerning modern person.

That I've really come to hate. But unfortunately, I've really been trying to be less misogynistic. Uh-huh. Believe it or not. Bad. I know. Wuthering heights set me back a full deck. I'm like, fuck women.

Yeah, they're stupid. Yeah. And so way to go, Emerald Finale. I mean, that's what like, I don't know if she's like, I don't know if she considers herself like a feminist or progressive or has any politics at all. But like, yeah, this was just like a very like red at tier rendition of female sexuality. Which you can expect to become to like dovetail more and more with real life as well. women become more single and childless. Yeah.

In the ensuing decades. I'm looking at my nuts. Fugly costumes. All right. Bridgerton ass. Infantilized. Oh yeah. Both people were talking on Twitter recently

about like what white culture is. I saw some debates. Yeah. between fronts the pod Lómez and Rufo Early in the film I got this set I was like I was like oh this is kind of white people shit I was like this is white culture

Wait say more because it's like what White people of art Yeah I'm like this is like Emerald Fennell is like a white British lady Yeah the whole movie like even the diversity Yeah it's that plus overly vulgar explanatory sexuality. And there is something innate, obviously, also in like BDSM in general. Like even doing like a BDSM weathering heights is bound to be stupid.

It's just a bad idea that's also poorly executed. Because yeah, the consent is baked. the compliance, the safety. Yeah, and BDSM is another one of those like kinks or fantasies. That's like, it's like a false consciousness. Yeah. Like you think you like it and respond to it. But actually you don't because you're actually insecure and incapable of being vulnerable,

which you compensate for by being overly sexually aggressive. Or submissive. Or submissive or whatever. Which is its own kind of aggression. And right, Kathy's sexual awakening kind of happens when she sees the scullery made and the barn boy. And he's, they're having sex. Do the kinky barnyard BDSM play. And Heathcliff is there and he covers her mouth and her eyes.

And then that becomes kind of this. Then that's what she's like fapping to out in the, She should have just raped her. Yeah. Or whatever. But not to say, not to the labor of the point. But like when it's a, she's not a tender age. Yeah.

She's a full grown adult. Uh-huh. Who like has, what experience has she had not had any experiences in her 20s? Yes. In the 15 years that passed when the time jump, like, right. what are you what are we talking about yeah and like the movie obviously would have been more plausible though less marketable if the character who started out as like a 13 or 14 year old girl

played by a child actress stayed that age or like a little older yeah but it was like the same yeah not a totally different woman I mean I I'm I'm not gonna harp on it too much but I also found the little girl to be a little charmless yeah and the boy too The child actors were kind of nothing burghers, yeah. And very much felt like a stand-in for Emerald Funnel. Uh-huh. Yeah, I guess so. Why is Kathy even blonde?

Get real. I know. Come on. This whole movie is fucking Sailor's Law. It is. What? It's dumb. How is that?

Roasty foids being dumb, roasty foids, because it's like, I'm going to cast a woman who's relatable to me personally who's old fat blonde not at all like the character was intended to be just so that in the coming revolution

my type is considered hotter it's like that that's the logic behind this movie I hate the hairstyle that looks like a little devilish like the roll pin curls rolled up It feels like Not like Like obviously Kathy had frizzy hair Yeah

Obviously she had Nutritional deficiencies Yeah she was She was like pale and wayfish Like a she probably had bad teeth stalking the marshlands She's not supposed to be like a PSL 10 Stacy

Yeah like a healthy horse girl No she's supposed to be like a sickly Kind of ethereal beauty but basically like a kind of like sabotaging devious freak. Yeah. That's the fucking point. Yeah. No, I know.

I mean, it is really just like women casting themselves as like the object of the sexual fantasy. And for what? Who cares? It reminded me of all those like like reels and TikToks that right when guys make fun of on Twitter where like girls are complaining about. about not being able to find like a boyfriend or a husband. And then they're like crying in their car. Yeah, they're crying in their car. Like crying at the office, like eating salad with a fork.

And like the joke being that they're suffering from hoflation and want like a six foot four like Hollywood handsome blonde blue eye chad. Homeath. Yeah. And she's just like settle for like. like a normal 5-10 guy who may or may not be bolding. Get real. This is what that, this is like the movie version of that.

It's, it's a red flag, like I said. It really heralds something. And it also, like, yeah, like it speaks to like also the narcissism of a generation

because I think a lot of like, confused and misguided contemporary women get off on the idea of like a guy being, having an abortion, yeah, but like a guy being like sweet and tender to them, but but brutish and rude to everybody else, which is a big red flag. You should be turned off by a man being rude to other women. Well, that's probably present in the book as well. Yeah, maybe. That they're both like complicated. And I think Heathcliff is like villainous. They're both walking red flags. Oh, I'm not going to read it. I'm going to read it. I don't know. What else do I have to do? I have nothing going on.

I yeah maybe I'll watch another film maybe I'll watch the Juliet Benoche film adaptation that could be good yeah or there's like a there's only one that I've surmised in my research that does the whole sweeping epic is like a BBC miniseries oh that makes sense because it would have to be quite long to tell the whole story so I do understand why usually it's truncated into the heat of the cathay thing and I don't like I said, I don't expect it to be like faithful to the source material like to the letter. But again, like the way that it, um, like what it omits is very tell. It's like telling, revealing, depressing.

Yeah. The way that it goes about being unfaithful. Mm-hmm. To the source material. Speaks volumes. Asian. Hmm? Asian.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's just, I, I can't imagine that's there for any reason. than to irritate the audience or like browbeat them into compliance of course like totally subconscious you know yeah because she's not even like a real character she very much is just like a prop she's always reading that fucking book she just kind of like comes in when it's like expedient she doesn't have her own interiority yeah no one really has any interiority mm-hmm that's true yeah so I mean I found the actor who played Edgar to actually be good.

Him and Isabella both were like strong performances as well as the dad. Yeah. But in the whole thing, they were in the gestalt. They were all just misutilized. And like, anyway, we could wrap it up. Yeah, sure. That's the movie. We've fucking watched it.

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