Red Scare - Spa Wars

Episode Date: July 23, 2021

The ladies discuss billionaires in space, the Wi Spa gender wars, and the future of mo

Um, we're back. We're back. How's it going? It's going okay. I'm in Los Angeles, which is not my favorite place, but not for too much longer, so it's fine. I think I'm really just too traumatized from being poor for so long in LA that it just feels very, very haunted, especially on the east side.

Yeah, it just triggers feelings of intense worthlessness and dread and despair, even though nothing like, you know, is really happening to warrant it. Yes. I'm in a much better place than I used to be, but it's still just, you know. It's like Mulholland Drive once you see the CD Underbelly, you know. You can't unsee it, yeah. You can't unsee it, exactly. It's with you forever.

Like behind the dumpster. Yeah. The torments are ceaseless. Yeah. Um, that's cool, so you can never live in LA again, really. Maybe down the line, I think I could, but I just, I don't know how to drive, which still makes my life really hard. Yeah.

I'm 30 now, so I don't think I'm gonna, even if I learned how to drive, I don't think I would be like a avid driver. Yeah. I don't think I would take to it. Yeah. I feel you. I don't particularly love driving. I love sitting in a car that's being driven.

Yeah. I like being a passenger. Yeah. I guess that bodes well for our future net worth. Yeah, we're disposed toward wealth. Yeah. They are so out of touch. Um, yeah.

I like being out of, I like being out of touch. I know. I agree. I think it's the only way to be because the sheer excess of information available to you will literally make your head explode. Yeah. Exactly. And, you know, they want, they want us to be demoralized.

Yeah. And it's very hard to, to tell what's what anyway. Very impossible. So no point in trying. Yeah. To hence, hence our docket. Um, yeah. Yeah.

What's up? Uh, what's on the docket today? I don't know. I'm like a little hungover because I went out last night and like lost my, my, my whole ass bag. You lost your baby. I lost my baby. No, the baby is like third miking it.

I have him like wrapped up. I have to wear the baby because if I put him down, he gets upset. I have a separation anxiety and he starts crying, um, but it's very impressive. What? For you podcasting and while holding it, an infant, yeah, um, it's a powerful image. It's inspired. Yeah. A lady Madonna, uh, children on her pod.

Um, so if he starts crying, that's, that's what it is. But yeah, I like that's his bad. That's his bad. Yeah. It's that baby's toxic and he, he, he talks a lot. He's very, uh, vocal. So maybe he'll, he'll grow up to, to be a podcaster. Just kidding.

I hope he doesn't, I would rather that he became a drummer than a podcaster. I'll put it that way. Really? Maybe not. But, but anyway, um, I did not misplace my baby. He's, he's safe and sound, but I did misplace my bag, which sucks. Um, did you call the bar and they won't, they're not picking up. Oh, those slovenly service workers.

Um, but you lost your whole, whole damn bad. Yeah. It's fine. It's not, this isn't the first time I've done it with your wallet and personal affects and stuff. Uh, that's right. Your passport wasn't in there. No.

My, that's good. Uh, my driver's license was, but you know what, I don't care because I need to take a new driver's license pick anyway, um, because the old one is from my, my lasagna days and I personally don't like to look at it because it, it's like you returning to LA reminds me of my poverty and despair. Lasagna Anna. Yeah. Um, but, but I have, I have such a profound, I mean, I always have, but I've such a profound

reverence and respect for single mothers because Eli's been gone for like a week. He went on like a work trip to LA. This is the first time I've been alone without him in, I don't know, almost a year probably and it is hard. Yeah. No, I can't even imagine. Yeah. And I'm white and have disposable income.

So I can't imagine what it's like for women who don't have those perks and privileges. Yeah. Are Lea and Emily help lending a hand? Yeah. They've been very sweet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It takes a village of dumb skanks. We've all got to chip in to make sure the kid just has emotional problems. Yeah. We all need to take turns. Yeah. Yeah. No, they're very teaching the baby important lessons. Yeah.

Like, uh, like how to start a fire. Yeah. Uh. How to, how to do drugs in a bar bathroom. Yeah. Yeah. Well, maybe your purse will get recovered. I feel like, I don't know.

I mean, I'm not sweating it's not the end of the world. Worst things have happened. Happens to me all the time. It feels like. Yeah. So yeah, it really doesn't even phase me anymore when I lose my belongings. Yeah. Well, that, this is a thing that actually bodes poorly for our net worth.

I think neither of us are materialistic or sentimental at the end of the day. Yeah. Uh-oh. Oh, no. Baby. Third Mike Lenny. Um, but yeah, like I don't give a shit anymore or I've never really given a shit when I like lose or break stuff.

I almost like it because I've, the adversity is inspiring and something I'm so used to, you know, that for there to be like an obstacle in my way and my life being a little hard harder. Yeah. I find kind of invigorating almost. Yeah. You, you, how am I going to, how am I going to get cash out today? Yeah.

You're like, you're pro, you're programmed to live like a dog. Exactly. Scarcity. Yeah. What's this? Um, what's this street art banner behind you? Oh my God. I'm in Dan's Airbnb.

Oh, okay. It's very like Banksy. Okay. Aesthetic. Yeah. It's very, it's horrible. Yeah. Oh God.

Yeah. It's very, it's like a gaseous face with no eyes and like lip filler ellipse. Yeah. It's badass. It's really badass. Um, yeah, it's, it's fine. It's nice. It's, it's alienating.

Yeah. In a familiar way. Yeah. So I don't mind. Oops. I'm, did you watch White Lotus? No, not yet. But you and others have told me that these two chicks on the show, um, Sidney Sweeney,

Queen of Big Nats and the other chicks who's kind of a POC are inspired by us allegedly. I have to, they fully are. Okay. So I have to see it, um, before I believe it, you know, but sure. It's very cool to see on, on television, I think, to hear, to see our kind of like influence and voice. Well, Mike White is a, is a fan of the pod. Yeah.

Okay. And we'll, we'll have him on at some time. Yeah. Um, is it good? I mean, I guess, I guess you have to say it's good now, but yeah, exactly. I'm actually excited to watch it. I'm very honored that, um, they made the character who I guess is inspired by me into a person of color, because that's how I identify inside.

Yeah. One's a brunette, one's a blonde. Yeah. Brunettes are basically people, Jennifer Coolidge is on it. Yeah. I love her. Um, and she's fantastic. Um, anyway, anyway, um, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it,

it, it, it, it, it, it's a very successful character who gives an intro to this character. Uh, beautiful. a monologue of an ancient man who's been, like, teleported to modern times. Lindi. Yeah, yeah. Cool.

Oh. The baby's looking at me. That's very cute. Oh, yeah. That's what I read to him at bedtime. So the selections from Mein Kampf. Charles Murray, the bell curve. Are you reading to him or not yet?

In, like, little stupid pop-up books, but he doesn't understand anything. He just, like, looks at the images. I think just the motion of flipping the page is captivating. ASMR. Yeah. It gives him ASMR sensation.

Yeah, it's exciting for him. Anyway, the docket, Bezos went to space. And I guess a week ago, Richard Branson went to space also. And Bezos went a little bit higher into the atmosphere with his brother, Mark, a woman named Wally Funk, who was like a female astronaut in the space race era, and some 18-year-old students. And they took, like, a 10-minute flight into space

where they experienced three minutes of weightlessness and could be heard on the audio stream from inside the capsule going, woo-hoo. And then when he landed, Jeff Bezos said, best day ever. Really? And that's, yeah. Interesting. Yeah, yeah.

You think his best day ever would be the day that he cut that cheating home Mackenzie loose, but then again, she made off with whatever, $50 billion of his assets. That was probably, yeah, one of the worst days of his life, yeah. That cheating home, Mackenzie. I actually think that he was the cheating hoe.

You think it seems so sexless? No, no, I mean, no. Going to space is such a sexless thing to do. Yeah, I mean, no, this is. There's no pussy up there, you know? Yeah, that's true. It's kind of, I don't see a lot of chicks trying to go to space. There's a lot of black holes, just not that variety.

Yeah. Yeah, what do you think of, so the other thing that struck me is it's weird to take your brother into space with you because if something goes wrong, you're like eradicating the whole damn family line, yeah. The whole bloodline, right, that's interesting. Well, he probably doesn't have very many friends because literally everyone hates him.

Yeah. And I, yeah, the Bezos stuff, it feels like a very unified front of disdain. Uh-huh, I'm googling Mark Bezos now because I want to see if he's a bald asshole, too. Yeah. Yes, he's also a bald asshole. But it's the Bezos space journey really

overshadowed Branson's space journey. And they both did these little stunts ostensibly because they're investing in kind of like commercial space travel tech. And well, I guess my question for you is Richard Branson, one or zero on the binary? Googling him now, I vaguely remember him looking kind of like one of the Bee Gees.

He's like the fourth Bee Gee. Exactly. He's less contemptible to me somehow. And I think in general, there isn't as much hatred directed toward him as there is for Bezos. I think it's because he has a head full of hair and seems friendly and outgoing in like a Gordon Ramsay kind of way.

Exactly. No reservations. Yeah. Yes. So one or one then? I don't really like the kind of blonde ginger man. That's not really my speed. Yeah.

OK, if you had to fuck Bezos. Or Richard Branson. I mean, I would go with Branson. Easily, right? The harder question is if you had to fuck Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos, that's rough. Elon Musk. Damn, OK.

I think for sure. Because he would be kind of, I feel like we would have fun. I don't think the sex would be particularly good, but I think. Oh. I'm silencing him. Yeah, I don't know. So I guess, yeah, it's kind of like a billionaire space

race in the sense that all these guys are trying to privately develop resources for space flights and space exploration. Space tourism, I guess. Yeah, I read the WAPO op-ed that you sent me. And the guy in that article was sort of like qualifying that we may not like them. And their space trips may seem kind of narcissistic and out of touch at a time when there's widespread

aching, income inequality, and widespread mounting climate crisis. But actually, we have to develop our capacity to develop or to extract resources from outside of the Earth, from space. So it's a good thing. And this is what he said. You may not love them, but the billionaires

behind these private sector efforts have both the resources and the impatience with government bureaucracy to put Americans back in space where they belong. They'll help the rest of humanity along the way. Solar power can be generated in orbit with much greater efficiency and beamed back to Earth. And asteroids can be mined for minerals.

We need to find cheaper, faster ways to launch sensors into space to help climate scientists quantify the calamity back home. And that all sounds very nice and noble, but since when do billionaires help humanity? Since when are they interested in helping humanity in any way, but like a superficial symbolic way? Yeah.

No, it was a very pathetic op-ed that I also I read one in the National Review called Jeff Bezos and Richard Branson, Oh You Nothing. And that at least was like, that was the guy who wrote that, who I went on Twitter and called a cuck immediately after the musical Charles C.W. Cuck is his name. He just kind of really doubles down on like, they earn their fortunes by bartering legal goods

and services that people wanted, and they're allowed to use their resources. However, they please blah, blah, blah, kind of a libertarian party line. And that one was less repulsive to me than the WAPO one, at least, because it was being honest. More above board and Frank, yeah. But in that one, he says, personally,

I happen to think it's pretty great that a bunch of billionaires have decided to create an efficient space market that will eventually be open to everyone. I also happen to think that the urge to explore is a noble one that should be celebrated. Yeah. Oh, baby.

Yeah, I mean, like, OK, they're going to create an efficient space market where aspirational Nouveau-Riche people can do their little space tourism, and they can. I mean, just how big of a bootlicker do you have to be to see billionaires launching themselves into space and be like, well, it's actually great, because they're doing it for all of us,

and we'll get to go to space too one day. As like an Uber Eats space courier. Yeah, you're going to be a fucking space surf. Yeah, just hanging out under the space awning of like 7-Eleven or whatever waiting for your package, selling weed on the side. Space weed. No, you don't get it.

This planet can be an entire weed dispensary. Beer brewery. But they're not even going that far into space. They're literally like just launching themselves into like the sub-orbital layer or whatever. Yeah. I liked Dan Allegretto's tweet about how he hopes Jeff Bezos got a new lease on life up there.

Maybe he did some good thinking while he was weightless for three minutes going, woohoo. That's the most, I mean, for me, I think the most demoralizing part about it isn't that they're misallocating resources that could be better spent like addressing climate catastrophe or inequality. It's that like, yeah, they're reptilian and diabolical,

but they're not even, it's so mundane and boring. Yeah, they're not even sexy. Yeah, he's not even like the thought of what went through Jeff Bezos' mind as he like looked at the Earth through the space capsule while experiencing weightlessness. That's what is truly scary, because I bet it was barely an insight, you know? Yeah.

Well, I think when you're that rich, that this is like the pinnacle of transcendent excitement that you can experience. Yeah, and you get to pretend to be like an astronaut. Yeah. You know, you kind of pay to play into this like, yeah, heroic fantasy of exploration. Yeah.

But much like when rich people go on like, I don't know, safaris or some kind of like experience tourism. Yeah. It really kind of pales to the platonic ideal of what they're really looking for, you know? Yeah, it's like. Bezos is never going to fill that void, no matter how many times he goes up into space.

Well, yeah, I mean, it's like, you know, Instagram influencers who buy themselves like a Prada bag and then go thanks Prada or get invited to like digital fashion shows. Like the reality is actually pretty bleak. Yeah. And like spiritually bankrupt. Pathetic.

Yeah. I feel bad for him, honestly. Yeah. And well, the thing is if these guys make any inroads into space, they can't do it on their own. They're going to need an entire like captive exploited workforce up in there that they're going to have to take with them. Yeah.

Yeah. Intergalactic serfs. That's going to suck ass. I hate space. Yeah, I have a hard time even leaving the house these days, so. Space travel, I find it really excessive. Yeah, it's not.

Sure. It's just like, you know, as an earth sign, it's just a little bit over my head. I'm like Sutton from The Real Housewives. I don't like loud noises. I don't like roller coasters. I don't like skydiving or surfing or any like adrenaline junkie tinder sport.

Same. I'd like to jump off like a waterfall. I think that's like that would be the max for me. Yeah, and like crack your head open on the rock slow. Exactly. I'd like to bleed out while your life flashes before your eyes. Yeah. I just want to stumble down my staircase in my stilettos.

Like a Duchampian nightmare. Those are my interests. Those are my hobbies. But yeah, anything that requires too much like a Kutramal like skiing or water sports doesn't appeal. And ditto space travel, the most Akutramal possible. You have to bring a whole ship. You have to wear like a special suit, helmet and stuff.

I don't find it noble, heroic, or even that exploratory. Yeah, I'm with you. And also, I am annoyed by kind of both sides of the conversation, like the people that are trying to rationalize that these millionaires or billionaires are good, actually. And then the people that are like, no, you don't understand they're like a unique evil or whatever,

like both sides of the conversation are somewhat equally like boring, you know? Because the whole thing is so kind of personalized and banal. Yeah. It's just like, yeah, the evilness is highly banal. Yeah. And yeah, the guillotine crowd loves to get together whenever a billionaire does something

to affirm their allegiances and politics of resentment and stuff. Yeah. And all of their kind of humanitarian, a kind of moral projects are ultimately just like liberal social engineering, you know? What do you mean? The billionaires, not the rabble. Right, not the riffraff.

No, of course, exactly. I mean, just look at Bill Gates, who does allegedly philanthropy, but it's all a guise for his world domination project, the euthanasia endeavors. Yeah, like facing off with the Chinese over like the fate of the African continent. I mean, how do you live with yourself as Jeff Bezos knowing? Like, he must know that he is one of the most despised men

in the world. Like, does he? He must have like publicists and stuff, you know? Yeah, that's true. That's a good question. Like, try to rehabilitate his image. Yeah. Yeah.

Oops. I hate Jeff Bezos. Yeah, I mean, he probably doesn't think about it too much. So, you know, who knows? Because I think like a lot of people are strangely more sensitive than they appear. Like, he names her Jeff. I wouldn't if I was him.

He goes on subreddits. Yeah. Because really, like, he gets no love. Yeah. He shouldn't. Well, it's interesting because like, I don't know, the only thing that I can, that my only thought when I think about these billionaires, which I seldom do,

is that it's very lonely. Yeah, yeah. At the top. Because I, yeah. I feel a burning desire, definitely, to bully him. Yeah. Well, yeah, and listen, as a nouveau riche immigrant pig, I really do enjoy the thought of making money

and saving money and kind of becoming, you know, knock on wood, like, better off than my parents. But I think like, like, I think you said this, like, ages ago, like, there's a threshold at which, like, you become so rich that it becomes, like, truly corrupt. Yeah, there's no reason for him to have a mask that much well. Yeah. And that's, he's just such a bald bitch.

I'd love to kick his ass. I really would. It would give me great pleasure. Yeah. But he has a very expensive security force that would keep me far at bay. Yeah. I feel bad.

I feel, I have a bit of an aesthetic soft spot for Jeff Bezos, because he reminds me of, like, Paris with Bell's palsy, you know? Oh, god. Oops. Now I won't be able to unsee it. Unsee it, yeah. Is he OK?

He's fine. Sorry if I'm, like, less enthusiastic than usual. I'm just, like, living in fear and anxiety that he's going to start crying. No, I know, I know. Oh, he's an Aquarius. Oh, that makes sense. I think.

The social justice warriors of the Zodiac. Oh, no, actually, sorry, he's a Capricorn, my bad. All right, well, that makes more sense. He seems organized. He likes antiques. That's a central feature of being a Capricorn. Liking books in antiques. Interesting.

Yeah, I'm serious. Does Eli like antiques? Yeah, and books, and being practical with money. Yeah, he loves that. God bless him. Yeah. Should we talk? I mean, do you have any other thoughts on Bezos?

Not really. I have to say that, again, space exploration is not one of my strong suits or personal interests. Gay. Yeah. It seems just really gay to me. And I love air travel, like, jet propulsion, and I do commercial aircrafts.

Yeah, taking a Xanax in business class. Exactly, exactly. But space just seems like, I don't know, you have to be too, it's too hard, and there's nothing. I just don't think there's anything up there for us. Yeah. Well, there is, but we wouldn't know anything about it.

And also, it's probably not going to come to fruition in our lifetimes anyway, so it's a, this is, you think there's something out there for us? There's extractable resources in space, for sure, yeah. I say we should just die on this one. Die on this rock, yeah. I don't think human beings belong up there. I guess this all fits in with my, like, anti-science world view.

Well, yeah, I think in this regard, we're, like, total women. Like, I'm, like, very much wedded to the, like, mud hut. Exactly, yeah, I want to sit on the floor. I want to get in the dirt. I want to dig a nice grave. Yeah, make some flat breads. Have a baby inside, I guess. Tenorium, yeah.

Exactly. Like, I mean, you have to know, like, you have to be honest with yourself and know your limitations. And, like, mine is that I'm very, like, incurious when it comes to, like, transcendental concepts, such as safe space exploration. Like, I'm very curious when it comes to, you know, wrapping my brain, my, like, two brain cells

around, like, literary or philosophical ideas. Yeah, even then, I feel like I kind of, I peaked in college. Yeah. I kind of, like, you know, I, like, devised sort of, like, a life philosophy. And I basically apply that rubric. Going forward, you know, I'm not really, I'm not really trying to really even get my mind blown

or change my opinions in any way. Yeah. I read, you know, I read Hegel, I read A Little Marks, and then I just called it, called it a life. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's probably why we're such so compatible, such compatible podcasting partners. I think it's because we're astrologically compatible.

That's also true. That's literally all. It's like, we're like opposite cusps. Yeah. But just chill, I guess. Should we talk about the, the Wii spot? Yes. Raya's.

Yeah. I'm scared. Right. As I mentioned, I'm, I'm in Los Angeles. Yeah. I was going to patronize Wii spot because I wanted to get a massage. And much to my surprise, saw that it was being besieged

by protesters and police violence. And I guess this all began when a viral video was posted on Instagram of a woman complaining to the Wii spot staff about their trans-inclusionary policies claiming to have seen a man with, quote, a dick exposing his genitalia in the women's locker room in the presence of children. Yeah.

And then Tucker Carlson did a segment on it. And it sort of proliferated through the, you know, the right wing media. And then there was a protest, which was billed as the Wii spot anti-pervert protest. And the flyer said, women are being traumatized. And Wii spot is taking no action. Yeah.

And so yeah. So then these transphobes sort of took the bait and organized this protest that was then met with an anti-fog counter-protest. And then the police lashed out and shot people with rubber bullets and stuff. And now are being investigated for their crowd control tactics.

So where do we stand currently is Wii spot operating? Is it closed? I think it's, I mean, I think it's been open. OK. I just didn't want to get wrapped up in all of that. Have you been to Wii spot before? Is it a fine establishment?

It's a great, would you recommend? It's fantastic, definitely. It's a lot of fun. It's like a big, it's like a Korean spa that has like a big, what's it called, like co-ed general area. And they give you these really cute t-shirts and shorts. And it's a fun place to go on a date. It's open 24 hours, or at least it used to be.

I don't know how it is with COVID, but I used to go there really late at night and sleep if my apartment was too hot. I spent quite a bit of time at Wii spot. There are better Korean spas in LA that are more boutique. But Wii spa is classic standard. It's like an LA staple. Gotcha.

But this story really has it all. Well, it's a real kind of intersectional train wreck. Yeah. I think like a flash point of like, there's so many things happening. There's Asian owned business. There's Black Lady being a turf. There's the filming people industrial complex

of like making videos of yourself being messy and getting upset and harassing service people. There's like pedophile activism. Antifa's on the scene. Police brutality. Yeah. There's another aspect, but it's evading me. But those are the main.

Oh yeah, trauma. Women are being traumatized and no one is doing anything. Yeah. It's yeah, there's like all these kind of incoherent competing factions of thoughts and activism happening and tactics. Yeah, well, it's very hard to know what's going on. Well, yeah, apparently this video is fake, is what I heard.

Yeah, it's hard to, you know, the kind of left wing pro trans activists are blaming all the violence and chaos on right wing anti trans protesters. The right wing anti trans protesters are blaming all the chaos and violence on left wing like Antifa and gender goblin types. I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Yeah.

Like, you know, I do have some questions about the video, like who is this woman? Does she have kids? Like I went on her Instagram and she posts a lot of like Christian memes and her bio says I think that she's like fighting Antifa. So Hibana Angel. I think she's probably like a paid crisis actor.

Exactly. That's my thoughts. Exactly, Anna. Maybe, but I think plausibly unpaid crisis actor, I think that with sort of social media and the advancement of widespread mental illness, I feel like people really take it upon themselves to become crisis actors for various psychological reasons

and are not necessarily on like someone's payroll per se. Yeah. That's true. Yeah, I think like also like never let a good crisis go to waste and sometimes the circumstances, the stars align to create like a perfect storm of intersectional drama. The Daily Mail, meanwhile, published an article

about another woman. This is like their quote unquote exclusive who's an anonymous mother who asked to keep her identity hidden for fear of personal and professional retribution. She claims that a bearded man with like an unsheathed penis casually entered the woman's only space where there were several small children at the time and basically committed indecent exposure.

And she describes this person as like an activist type who was striding around with like the intention of getting a rise out of people and making them uncomfortable. And she's identified as like the millennial daughter of Latino immigrants who's a registered Democrat and a supporter of LGBTQ. So it's like also like I think all but like the write ups and takes from both sides obviously

pander to competing subjective narratives. Right. And it's in the interest of like liberal media outlets to say that the story wasn't corroborated or that the other video was like manufactured. Yeah. But of course it's not because it's inconvenient for it to be true.

But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's also was manufactured. I think it was the woman. What's her Instagram handle? It's like a Kubana angel. Kubana angel. This brave woman. No, there's clearly something wrong with her.

But it's totally within the realm of possibility that there was some like deranged quote activist type provoking people at Weasel also. Yeah, totally. And there is there is a person who was identified. Again, I want to like tread very carefully because none of this is corroborated and sorry like hard to say what's what.

And also I don't give a shit. It's a nice it's a really nice feeling to like wake up. I was I had the urge to like shitpost last night because I was getting a little tipsy and then I like zoomed out for a minute and was like, wait a second, I literally don't give a shit. I don't care. Yeah, which is a great liberating feeling.

But yeah, I totally wouldn't put it past a person of that ilk to walk around with a bare penis in a spa area reserved for women and children. But I think so far, correct me if I'm wrong, it's not corroborated that it happened. And I think it's just like, yeah, it's really kind of like manufacturing consent for the liberal line to have this narrative

that the video was fake, that it was staged, that afterwards all these kind of anti trans right wing people were running amok. Which they were. Yeah, I think that they sort of started it. I mean, I can't imagine being the kind of person that would go to like an anti trans outside of a spa. And then I also can't imagine being the kind of person who

has like a counter-anti-fabrotest. It's unfortunate because it has escalated and become authentically violent. But it mirrors a lot of activism that we had seen over the past few years essentially sort of amounts to like larping in terms of ideological and investment. It's all just sort of a proxy or like a flashpoint

or a justification for people to engage in chaotic demonstrating of their espoused values, which are all totally ultimately meaningless. And of course, the real victim in all of this is we spa. Because it's just dead ass not their fault. And of course, they're going to have a trans inclusionary policy that are like a spa in a metropolitan city. Mm-hmm, you know, yeah, and that isn't really the issue.

Yeah, I mean, just like hypothetically setting aside like the question of which account, if any, is accurate, it is weird to have people with penises in a women's only locker room where there are children. I mean, I don't think it's that weird to have gender segregated locker rooms where people who identify as a gender are included. I think that these are fundamentally like discrete

spaces that are more about identification than like looking at people's genitals, you know? Yeah, I think also like the whole, I don't know, it's hard to say because I think the whole like trans thing is grossly overblown. And of course, there's like this kind of like conflation with the prior moral panic over gay people, gay men specifically being pedophiles.

There's a lot of kind of hysterics about children's exposure to corrupting forces, which seems to be the theme of this podcast, that I also think is a proxy for the fact that, you know, again, nobody in our society really invests in or cares about the well-being of children. Yeah, and of course, the idea of like some perverted like blue-haired social justice warrior brandishing

his penis in a woman's locker room is like a buggy man that inflames and incites both sides. But I think like the, you know, if you read the accounts of this episode and the way that it's been treated in the media, which is owned by kind of liberal ideology, it is legitimately alarming. Like you sent me that Guardian piece.

And it's just, you know, never before to my recollection has the media been so open in pushing an agenda and pushing an ideology. At least back in the day, they used to cling to the pretense of transparency and objectivity. And they would at least pretend to report on both sides. But the Guardian piece, for example, totally doesn't mention the incident that sparked the protests.

Yeah, the video itself was hard to track down. Yeah. For me. But then I found Ian Miles Chong or whatever posted it. I always, I confuse Ian Miles Chong and Andy Noe. Same. I know that's racist. Right-wing.

Yeah. Or a lot of them is like Antifa. Yeah, I don't know. They're both like proud boy adjacent or something. Yeah. But it's not just the liberal media, though they do have more of an ideological foothold, I think, though it is hard to say because we

are in a liberal bubble. So it feels ladder to us. But the proliferation of this video on right-wing media did inspire the first demonstration, which was like a anti-pervert protest. Yeah. And that wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been given like a platform on Carlson.

I like straight up would not be surprised if this was like a liberal psi op to incite the right and make them look crazy to like neutralize them ideologically because when they're like foaming at the mouth over like trans people and pedophiles, it makes them look insane. I mean, they don't seem that unreasonable to me. Or they seem as unreasonable as like the Antifa counter

protesters. Well, this is why the Guardian article was so revealing because they talked about the chaotic and at times violent demonstrations of far-right protesters were calling for a boycott of we spa and chanting baseless claims about pedophilia. Like, you know, you don't like it's but I don't know if this was an op-ed,

but I don't think it was. But everything these days reads like an op-ed. I feel like the Guardian's primarily in the business of op-ed somehow. And like, yeah, you don't I mean, you don't describe someone's claims as baseless without identifying what they are. Even if they are your ideological adversary.

So things like that are like a massive red flag for me. And of course, they place the blame squarely on the shoulders of the right wing protesters and not the left wing counter protesters, which is just not possible. I mean, Glenn Greenwald had a thread of showing Antifa protesters cornering kind of like hapless right wing people that they had singled out

and we're like kind of following them, menacing them down the street, this sort of thing. This was outside of we spa? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was a real shit show. But I think it has all the qualities of a Psyop. But I feel like my hunch about it is that it's like the algorithm or the simulation is like,

is running so efficiently that people are like Psyopping themselves. Yeah, it's like on cruise control, on autopilot. Yeah, exactly. Like I don't think there is like a top down kind of thing. I think it's like these sort of flash points are being generated out of the chaos and incoherence of contemporary ideology.

Yeah, I mean, they're all using like the trauma mongering of the right wing doing trauma mongering, centering women's victimization and all of this to justify their tactics. And then did you see the video? The Kubana Angels video, I did watch all five minutes in like 40 seconds of it. I like when she's yelling at the man who's

like trying to intervene. Yeah, yeah. And she's like, he's a man, sweetie. He has a dick. And then she's like, she says to the guy who's like intervening. She's like, it must be hard not being a man a single day in your life or something. Oh, what did she?

She was, she said something funny about like Jesus take the wheel or something. But her behavior, which is abhorrent, is also completely informed by and inspired by the like Karen movement of like, you know, documenting workers, basically, service people and trying to like trap them into some kind of weird altercations so that you can have a little viral video.

Yeah, that practice I find to be utterly disgusting. Yeah. Like cornering. I saw a video of like Tariq Nasheed cornering like some like shaking, like terrified hotel employee who then went on to have like a total mental. Tariq Nasheed is the original Karen, by the way. Yeah, you're like, what did you say?

Did you call me the n-word? And then watch someone have like a meltdown because they think their life is about to be ruined. Yeah, I mean, we've condemned this from the jump with the original like Karen Central Park video. I think it's a really disturbing sign of the times. Yeah. And it was something that was weaponized originally

by the so-called left, you know, to like shine a light on like the racism of individual actors. Yeah. But then, but yeah, but now it feels like a total like free for all and like transphobes can do it to like incite. I mean, I saw articles that were describing the right wing protesters as being like QAnon adjacent, which I also don't think is really true.

Yeah. And I feel like almost no one involved really actually believes in anything. I mean, listen, I think some like, and it's all a pretense, you know, for like, I don't think that they really think that there's like a pedophile problem that we spa that they need to like speak out against politically

by assembling in an organized protest. I think like people are so unwell and lonely and atomized that like they're really looking for anything to give their life purpose. And Ditto goes for Antifa, who says like, oh, what? There's like anti-trans protesters on the spa? Like we better get down there and like, you know, make our lives worthwhile.

Yeah, like haggle some like morbidly obese guy in like a Gio vest with like a cast on his leg, you know? Exactly. Who has like a don't tread on me sticker on his like pickup truck or whatever. A fascist, you mean, Anna? Yeah. And a deplorable fascist?

Yeah, but I mean, a lot of these things are like very kind of ultimately, I guess, inconsequential and meaningless. You know, frantic activity is a defense mechanism against confronting your utter impotence. Powerlessness, yeah. Yeah, and powerlessness. But I think that these flash points do,

they're, A, they have spawned a very interesting feedback loop where stuff that happens on the internet now spills into the streets and then gets written up on the internet. And you know, it spurs like concentric, like whatever, cycles of outrage. Yeah. A and B also, they do speak to like very real underlying issues

that are bypassed because they are very complex and they have no easy solutions. Well, yeah, the preoccupation on both the left and the right with like pedophilia and pedophilic elite, I think, is really about, as like you said, a kind of like powerlessness, a sense that we've all kind of been molested by the totality of like capital.

But that is just, yeah, that's too complicated and meta and ingrained. And so, yeah, it becomes about like pedophiles at a day spa because that feels like the only manageable expression of it. Yeah, it's like super, it's just like consumer logic masquerading as activism. But it is interesting, yeah, as you said, that this is like the sort of fever pitch

around pedophilic conspiracy now emerges at a time where I do think we are the least invested we've ever been in the actual lives of children. Yeah, in like children's well-being and in steering and guiding them in a way that teaches them good morals and solid values. And that's not, again, actually an exercise in liberal social engineering and making them

like good, malleable little workers or whatever, or even worse, like accessories to their parents' deep hunger to be seen as a good person. Yeah, realistically, probably most children won't be workers because work will become increasingly automated. They'll be good little ideological workers. They'll be doing the work, as they say, yeah.

But yeah, I mean, I think the knee-jerk thing with the situation is like to condemn depending which side you're on. And of course, the situation is much faker and gayer than we could even imagine. But the trans ideology is very. We don't even want to know how fake and gay it gets. The trans thing is very interesting

because it's like also the kind of the perfect ideological vehicle for like, you know, again, like whipping up votes for Democrats and manufacturing consent for liberalism. Like, well, yeah. I mean, and I mean, the right also is, you know, using their own. They're using transphobic ideology

in a similar means, you know? Yeah, it's it's and I agree that it's perfect because it is so niche. It actually affects so few people. But it triggers everyone like fucking crazy. And it's funny because, you know, the left also has spent years, if not decades, like trying to recruit ordinary black people

to make them into their revolutionary subjects. And when that failed, because black people like didn't take the bait, the activist class then had to invent a revolutionary block whole cloth out of trans people, you know? And it's of course like, you know, at the end of the day, when like the gloves come off, liberals will claim that black people

aren't down with like the project of socialism and don't take the bait because they're actually uneducated, you know, and therefore incapable of making choices, decisions that serve their interests. Like you saw this with the mayoral primary in New York, where black people voted for Adams and liberal pundits had had a conniption fit because they were quote voting against their interests. We saw this with the information

we found out that turns out actually black people are the most vaccine skeptical population in this country, for good reason, by the way. Yeah, of course. And of course, again, liberal pundits were lining up. The state of subject to so much, yeah. Yeah. Government medical testing.

Malpractice, yeah. And like, and of course, like at the end of the day, this is just like the kind of polite liberal version of vulgar racism. Yeah. It's really like, you know, tell me you think black people are double digit IQ without telling me, you know. And like,

They're voting against, yeah. Yeah. And it's like, you know, by the way, it's like how, you know, how condescending and how actually racist. No, of course, yeah. But, you know, that's besides the point. Hence the preoccupation with racial justice.

Yeah. But like, you know, the trans thing is again, then a perfect ideology because, again, like you said, it's so niche, it pertain, it is as Bill Marr called it, a boutique issue. He was right about that. It pertains to so few people. And like, it's a great way to like,

discipline and punish the rest of the populace. Yeah. When, you know, whatever blacks or Latinos or whatever don't bend to your will. I mean, Joan. You mean like, Cuban angel. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Joan Diddyon saw this coming

in whatever 1972 or 74 and she wrote about the women's movement. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. I think the way the women were, the women's movement had to try to make women into a political class and failed.

And that's what's going on now. But I think that they've succeeded because a lot of these people who are like gender warriors and are trying to foist their extremely subjective identity on the rest, on the world, they're trying to inflict their subjectivity on other people.

Those people are like naturally and organically leftist. Well, I was gonna say they're naturally like tyrannical. Yeah. And they are. They're authoritarian left. They're like that part of the matrix. Yeah. And actually, it's really funny because

But they're also such liberate libertines. Yeah. But that's what it is. It's like, it's like anarchist, libertinism and libertarianism. And there's also like, you know, this perception that this new generation of queer activists come from like broken homes and traumatic backgrounds,

which is why they're so impassioned and militant about social justice. But that's also so far from the truth. Like that's what people want you to think. But all of these people grew up in affluent homes. I mean, not all of them. The propagandists for sure, like your Charlotte climbers. Yeah.

The vocal, yeah. The most vocal minority. Yeah. And they're- That has the time and the resources, yeah, to invest in identity politics. Yeah. For sure.

And like, you know, it's like, they were clearly raised in affluent homes by neglectful parents who like laundered their guilt by being overly permissive and indulgent, i.e. they cannot take no for an answer. Right. It'll be, you know, it's interesting to see how this will come to the head.

I'm just looking forward to getting a body scrub personally. Yeah. I think all those people should, you know, take the violence off the streets, take their asses into e-spot. Yeah. And get a nice relaxing spa treatment. Yeah.

And just pump the brakes a little bit. They should have these poor Korean women offering like free foot rubs to the protestors if they put their picket signs down. Exactly. That's, yeah. That would be my suggestion. Yeah.

It's a spa day. Yeah. We'll prepare. Yeah. Porn, modern day porn? Yeah. Yeah. Porn education.

We read Friend of the Pod, Liz Brunig's peace in the Atlantic. Modern porn education is totally unprepared for modern porn, which was inspired after a private school in Manhattan called Dalton fired its director of health and wellness, just a woman named Justine Ang Fonte, who had overseen a porn literacy course

as part of like the health education at Dalton. And then the New York Post wrote about it and there was backlash, whatever, and she was let go. Is that right? I think so, yeah. Or she resigned. She resigned, but yeah.

To move on to greener pastures as like the Robin D'Angelo of sex ed, mark my word, this bitch is gonna have a brand new book deal. Definitely. I think three, two, one. Anyway, so yeah. And then the New York Post article was called Columbia Prep Students and Parents

Real After Class on Porn Literacy. So I did some prep for not the anti-HIV drugs. Yeah, so you don't get HIV, that's really great. I did some prep for our prep and I looked this woman up and this is from the New York Times profile on her and this is really all you need to know about her. Smart.

Was she always comfortable speaking about things that made others squirm and blush? I think I was probably above average at conversational skills to begin with, Ms. Fonte said. I was the kid that ran for class president every year. I was always giving speeches. She went on to get two master's degrees. The first one was in education

from the University of Hawaii and the second one was in public health from Columbia University in New York City where she plans to remain despite the recent contra-tempts. So. Why was she profiled in the New York Times? I think it was in response to this

like Kirk Huffle over the sex ed stuff. I see, yeah. She's definitely got a publicist. Yeah, totally and she's. Real publicity piled now. Yeah, and she, this woman is like the worst kind of like spiritual adjunct and like meritocracy flunky.

Like she is like a person that fails upwards forever. Like never trust anybody with two master's degrees. It's too too many, frankly. Yeah, totally. Unless you go to like a trade school or something. Yeah, this is according to the post. Jonte's website that says that she has reveled in disrupting health education for 10 years

and frames her pedagogy through the lens of Kimberly Crenshaw's teachings on intersectionality. Fantastic. Okay. So yeah, so she scammed her way into a private school. Yeah. To teach something called porn literacy. Mm-hmm, where I guess she like attempts to caution teens

about the ethical dimension of porn consumption. Yeah. And the racial politics. Yeah, yeah, bless you. Thank you. She's literally like educating teens about like racial fetish. About like racial fetish? About gaping, cream pies.

Yeah. Blacked, blacked raw. Yeah. This is a quote from Fonte. And she says, it's not a Playboy magazine anymore. It's bodies in motion. Amplifying certain beauty standards that are harmful, amplifying lack of protection

in certain cases, void of emotional intimacy, and because race is a genre, amplifying racist sexual violence. Her goal, she said, is always to give teenagers the tools to quote, navigate their personal and social spaces through these three adjectives. Their world should be safe, should be fulfilling, should be pleasurable.

Mainstream porn can work against that tripartite goal, Fonte said. Other forms such as feminist-inflected porn sold at prices intended to supply decent wages may support it. All right, if somebody tells you they have a tripartite social goal, run for the hills.

This is like so dark and cynical. She's literally installing herself as like the Pornhub hall monitor, you know? And it's funny because she, like first off, since when is anyone's world uniformly safe, fulfilling and pleasurable? A, like what a corrosive and unrealistic goal to work toward, you know?

Yeah, most people, I think, have zero of those things. Yeah. This is- Yeah, I mean, well, that's very, that's a very liberal expectation of sex, much like affirmative consent. Yeah, yeah, so, and it's really interesting because Liz's thesis in this article is that

actually people who are kind of doing porn education are woefully unprepared for the depths of depravity of contemporary porn. And we should in fact be teaching people and especially teens had engaged in ethical consumption of porn. And I really could not disagree more with that because, you know, there is no ethical consumption

of porn under capitalism, period. I think Liz would agree with that. Yeah, I hope so, but- Well, Liz is Catholic, she of course, I mean- She must know this, yeah. As a Catholic, the only ethical, moral consumption of porn is- Abstinence.

Abstinence, yes, exactly. I don't know why she doesn't say that outright. I think maybe her thesis is a little more clever or something, or she's attempts, she knows that she, I guess she probably knows that if she said that, people would be less receptive to some of the other points that she makes in the essay, you know? Yeah, and she would box herself into a corner, yeah.

She'd be maligned as sort of just like a conservative Christian. Yeah. So she's trying to engage with the depravity and harm of like- Online pornography. Yeah, but I would say that like anybody claiming the ethical porn consumption is possible,

or that it exists is offering you a sales pitch. They are offering you- Yeah. Their services is like a moral middleman. Well, even in that paragraph, this Fonte woman advocating for feminist inflected porn that's offered at a high price. That pays fair wages, yeah.

Yeah. As if there isn't something inherently degrading about performing sex acts on camera for people to check off to see if there is an ethical option is, yeah, laughable. Yeah, totally. And it's all part of the same like slippery slope. But this woman clearly, she belongs to like this genre

of people who have kind of totally useless and potentially harmful jobs. So they have to like invent problems to keep their jobs. Yeah. Like she's like a roving knife salesman for sex ed. Porn literacy. Yeah, it's like, and it's funny because here's another quote from the article, exposure to porn is an almost guaranteed

fact of adolescent life thanks to the rise of smart devices and the ubiquity of the internet. And yet Fonte told me some parents may not be ready for the actual truth as to their role in addressing it and the reality of what their child is actually seeing. It's so funny, like LOL at this woman pretending that the affluent parents of these affluent children don't watch sicko deranged porn.

The dad sure as hell do. Who do you think I learned it from, dad? The dads do more. The dads are all gay. Yeah, and they totally like they do more than just watch porn. They totally just like frequent sex workers of all stripes. Probably, yeah. Because they have access to it.

All these people who are in Epstein's black book sending their kid to Dalton, like give me a break. Her whole, yeah, I mean, her whole grift is about painting a flattering portrayal of these rich people, her patrons, basically, and their offspring. And the completely unnecessary service that she offers exists solely to just reaffirm some fantasy of children

already not being hyper porn literate and non-dated with pornography constantly. And yeah, and that their parents are some kind of moral authority in their lives, which they're. And they're not. Not. Well, that's the other thing. I mean, she's selling these anxious affluent parents

to lie that their children can be insulated from rejection and disappointment and corruption. And more importantly, she's selling them the lie that if left unattended children are corrupted by porn, and therefore they require like a team of experts and managers to ease them into, quote, responsible or ethical consumption. And this kills two birds with one stone.

It convinces these kind of selfish and neglectful and checked out parents that it's outside forces and not their own lack of steering and guidance. That's responsible for their children's. Child sexual dysfunction, body image issues. Yeah. And also, it guarantees that she gets to keep her job. Yeah.

I mean, it's all really dark and shady. Well, in this case, I guess it guarantees she'll get a book deal. Yeah, or something. Or like a spot on the view or something like that. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. But make no mistake, these people

are all sort of encouraging porn consumption backhandedly in the guise of ethical consumerism so that they can then step in. And then manage the pipeline. Exactly. If the price point is high enough and there's no racial fetishization happening, then they're essentially sanctioning porn consumption

as long as it doesn't promote unrealistic body standards. And so like a lot. I mean, imagine thinking that's the problem with porn. Yeah. First of all, that's a lie. If you log on to like Pornhub or X-Videos, there's all sorts of fast tricks on there. Yeah, many different flavors of objection

to suit all of your most perverted needs. Again, whacking off to porn is not about attraction. It's about objection. Always. Yeah, finding the grossest, most humiliating, most depraved variant, not like a girl. You should teach a porn literary book, Santa. So what you're going to want to do

is find the grossest one. Type Naomi Russell into the form field. Italian porn in the early aughts was doing something very. I'm not saying you should bleach your pussy, but I'm not not saying it. But it's also like I think my issue with this is not that these people, like this educator lady, are exposing kids to porn.

Because again, that's inevitable given the circumstances. Yeah, and in the New York Post, the sort of like scandal write up, most of the team, the teams seem to be lamenting like the course feels like a waste of time, distracting them from their AP credits and stuff. They're actually not, it's not that they're like scandalized or enticed or scandalized.

It's like they're bored and they don't want to be there. Because they instinctively understand that they're not gleaning any useful information. Yeah, totally. But the issue, again, is not her exposing them to porn. Nobody is scandalized by this, except for maybe like a handful of parents. It's that, again, she's inserting herself as a middleman

and taking a cut of the transaction. That's what's really devious and evil. She makes the teen subscribe to her only fans. Yeah. Here's another really interesting quote, if I can find it. If anything, courses like Fontes aren't given nearly in a funding time or other resources to fully demonstrate just how onerous ethical porn use really

is without that kind of guidance. How are teachers supposed to have any idea how to be good people in the world we've created? And it's like, OK, so we have to give money to various education industry and social work grifters to make sure that rich people can feel like good people through their child proxies? This is literally like.

Catholic school is really the only answer. Yeah. But like a priest. A priest should be doing this. Yeah. And they should passionately dissuade you from it, even if that's wrong in the long run, because it gives you something to rebel against,

and to like anchor your developing brain against or whatever. Which will make the porn consumption more satisfying ultimately. Yeah, exactly, and more fraught with the frisson of being a sinner. Exactly. But like anything that claims to help you kind of navigate

personal ethics in our troubled culture is literally democratic fundraising, like period. This is how they get you right and for Biden. If you vote for Trump, you're a bad person. All this is similar logic, you know? And it's literally a jobs program for untenable grifters. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

The other thing is like what a perverted goal it is to burden your child with your own like self consciousness over being a good person? I know, I know. But I think that's inevitable. That's just kind of parenthood, I think. Yeah, I mean, you want your child. You can guard against it.

Yeah, but it's like Jung says, we always, you know, we all grow up kind of in like the unlived lives and shadows of our parents no matter what. Yeah, well, you literally just become your parents and then you realize that it's not so bad because they were right in the end. But what they mean, what these people mean by being a good person isn't even

being a moral and ethical person because that's invisible and that doesn't get socially rewarded. They mean a person who is socially recognized as being good. Right, right. Who's done the curriculum. Exactly, yeah, who, you know, loudly and passionately espouses their commitment to like anti-racism and body positivity and whatever.

And I don't know, the only way to instill your child with good ethics and strong values is really to lead by example. And I think none of these parents are really willing to lead by example because they're too weak and indulgent and they want to have their cake and eat it too. So they hire people like Fonte.

Always, yeah. And then they go to Burning Man or something and. Yeah, they get dinner with Richard Branson straight off. And they want to wash their hands of any responsibility by outsourcing their work to quote unquote experts and then kind of even reserving the right to get mad when it turns out that one of those experts is a snake oil salesman.

It's like, well, guess what, they all are, yeah. Right. What did you make of the teenagers that were interviewed in the piece? They were, the kids are all right, right? They kind of. Yeah, I mean, they seemed like they had a good head on their shoulders for the most part.

Yeah. But I always, whenever we, like a year ago, I think we read this article about boys. Whenever a journalist does a little investigative teen talk thing, I always find myself feeling aware of, I don't know, I get the sense that teens kind of know what the approved script is, even if their identities are anonymous.

Even if they're talking about sensitive subject matter, I think teens are so impressionable that as interview subjects, they'll kind of like mirror what an adult wants them to say. Yeah, that's really well said. I felt that way a little bit with these kids. Yeah, I don't know, this is the thing, the jury's out for me and whether they're impressionable or whether they're clever.

I think they also know how to get adults off of their backs. Well, both, yeah. Yeah, but they understand that there's a perception, right, that young people are increasingly dissociated, desensitized, that they're engaging in more, purportedly, I kind of, I don't necessarily even think so, like more violent, more degrading, more pornified sex. And so their answers are reflective of something

they already understand about how the world works. Like when you ask boys about how they feel about masculinity, they're like, what's that? They're not, yeah, but they're like citizens of a world that they are perceiving and acting and like they're not. It's very hard to, I think, actually get a read, especially with stuff like porn and early sexual experiences of how it really is for young people, I think.

Yeah. And also, I mean, are you personally really that worried about kind of the sexual fate of young people in the sense that they're allegedly experimenting with more and more extreme forms of sex acts? I don't know if that's, I'm sure everybody does a little choking and spanking and maybe a little BDSM or whatever.

But then as you get older, you basically develop a sense for what you like and what you'll tolerate. And sometimes it aligns with those things and the ways in which you are sexualized when you're younger and those things are enduring. But yeah, I'm not like, I don't particularly feel like I need to be clutching my pearls when I hear about young people slapping each other.

It concerns me a bit just because I think it's not even very young people. It's like, I think it's, I'm more worried about millennials. How so? Who are adults who collide on hookup apps, basically, and then are still so dissociated from their desires that they enact these kind of traumatic rituals on one another, basically.

And the amount of sex that I think most people are having is deeply alienated and unsatisfying. And that just makes me kind of sad, I guess. But I don't think it's a grave social ill. Well, and also, I would be more worried that no one's having sex. Exactly. Like, remember that statistic that teenage pregnancy

is way down, which would seem to be a good thing. But it also might not be because children are literally going on the computer instead of having sex, not children, teens. Teens. Yeah. I think your job as a parent is never to insert yourself in your child's private life

unless they're doing something really horrible or criminal. But to, again, lead by example to be the kind of person that you yourself would admire and respect to aspire to that, even though it's not fully possible ever. Yeah. No, I think that's the only sound way. Yeah. My parents never had a birds and the bees discussion with me.

I'm sure yours didn't either. This would seem like completely outray to them. But in spite of. But they did invade my privacy and stuff. They did, OK. Read my diary and look through my web history. Because you were too much of a sexy goth. Exactly.

I was a sexy goth, which frightened my father. So I was scared of the fishnets. I had a very short leash, yeah, in my formative years. Yeah, and the grass is always greener. I had a very long leash. But my parents, I have to say, at the end of the day, when I sit back and do a searching moral inventory and think about my past and my life,

in spite of all their faults and their failings, they buy the grace of God. But I think also by their own substances, people instilled a very strong set of good values in me and my sister. Yeah, you both turned out great. We turned out just fine. Upwardly mobile.

Yeah. Nice. Yeah, it was, yeah. But I think it's funny that it's very, it's funny. It's also very sad, because I think everything in this culture now is designed to convince you to prostitute yourself one way or another, to be kind of a panhandler on the digital superhighway

or whatever, and really what that's all about also, it's designed to make you part with the only thing that you have when you have nothing, which is your pride and your dignity and your good name and your word. Yeah, dignities and low supply these days, for sure. Yeah, and it's like, everybody has their Venmo or PayPal in their bio, because they're literally convinced

that society owes them sexual reparations or something. And of course, this woman is teaching a module that is some Marxist ass, fake Marxist analysis of how sex work is work and women deserve fair wages and stuff, because she's also at the end of the day nothing more than a prostitute. Amen, sister. But I also, yeah, I wouldn't overstate her harm almost,

because I think young people are so checked out anyway. They're like, this article made me think back on all the grifters who visited my health classes. You know, like there was a woman, I remember there being a woman who must have been like 30, I guess. She seemed like impossibly old to me then, but she came to class to tell us about how she had been date raped.

And she had this, yeah, she came and told this, had a spiel about her experience being date raped and what happened and sort of like warning us of the dangers of acquaintance rape or like she was kind of, and I remember she had like, she seemed kind of cool and like, you know, she like- With it? Charismatic and yeah, and I like kind of was listening

to what she was saying, but in retrospect, I really wasn't like, I didn't retain anything I learned in high school. Well, yeah, that's the other thing. I was like, so exhausted, I was, I just feel like I was like half asleep, basically. Someone else, yeah, he's fine. Like a limply rolled out of my, my wrap.

Yeah, I mean like, I think kids, kids are really smart. They're smarter than adults in many ways and they have good instincts that haven't been ideologically battered yet and they can smell a grifter and also they don't, they don't give a fuck and that's like cool. Like my, my kid's not even four months and he knows when I'm trying to like manipulate him

into going to sleep. He knows when I'm trying to manipulate him into like being distracted with his little play gym and he's, he's like not having any of it and he doesn't even speak yet. They're like, they're very clever. I picture this woman who like came to your class to talk about her date rape to be like a kind of

a cool like dispassionate Janine Garofalo Gen X type and like a sleeveless shift dress. Kind of, exactly. Yeah, she like talked about how she like drank too many beers and then, you know, woke up in a guy's bed and that's exactly what's sort of the vibe. But yeah, in retrospect, totally, yeah, some weird grifter who got some nominal fee

to go around to help boxes and like pedal her weird tail. Yeah, and that one sticks out in my memory but I probably don't even remember most of the like health curriculum I was in the subject to. Yeah, I remember, I remember like picking up tips and pointers for sure from health class that were not, that were not intended to be there. They were intended to be like warnings or threats.

The minute an adult says abstinence, you're like, the fuck is that? I have to fuck. Yeah. I'll do anything. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I think like also all this, all these debates that are coming to the fore now

that are like squabbling over what is acceptable in terms of like racial education or sexual education are nothing new. They've been in the mix for at least 30 years, 40 years. They just go by a different name now and they're eternally shapeshifting. They're gonna go by yet another name and another one, you know?

Yeah. Anyway, should we? We can wrap it up, yeah. I'm getting hungry. You're getting hungry? You're getting horny? What? I have to go jack off, so.

Yeah. We're gonna wrap it up. Joe's juice. I don't know if they have Joe in the juice in LA. Oh yeah, no, they might not. They have kind of more elite boutique spaces in LA. They don't need something as lumpen as Joe in the juice. Exactly.

Maybe Moon Juice. Yeah, maybe I'll go get a smoothie or a matcha. You should take a little trip to We Spa and see how things are shaking out. I'm gonna do some investigative journal. I'm gonna get to the bottom of it. Yeah. I mean, hey, while you're in town, you may as well.

Yeah, do some investigative journal. I'm gonna talk to the teens at We Spa about how they feel about trans ideology. All right, well. All right, well, yeah. See you in hell. I guess I'm gonna go get my bag. Did they call? Nope.

All right, actually, see you in hell.