Red Scare - Stay Virgilant

Episode Date: June 12, 2021

The ladies discuss Lorde's new single/video, Hunter Biden dropping the n-word, Macron getting slapped, m

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Oh, what did you say? We're back. We're back. How's it going? Good. The baby started crying. The baby's crying because he saw the new Lord I'm sorry for sending that over. Yeah, cuz I know it ruined his whole day probably

And he probably had such high hopes for the after seeing the album cover. Yeah How do you feel about the album cover? I actually love the album cover. It reminds me of like 90s like Steve Madden Shoe ads or like Jane magazine. It's like that. It's a very Gen X aesthetic fish eye Yeah, like music video. Yeah sublime kind of exactly. Yeah Yeah, I was very Excited when I saw the album cover and I actually am kind of a fan of Lord or I liked pure heroin Uh-huh, and then I didn't really listen to the last one. There wasn't another one Yeah, I like forgot I kind of came and went but the the single was like green light. Oh, okay that song that's like

Or about like kissing on the dance floor. I'm not. Oh, yeah. I was about to Yeah, I like her a sandpaper dipped in honey voice she's like Both she's like perennially both 17 and 47 in my head. She's like a teenager but looks very she's extremely precocious Yeah, and always has been yeah, and I I feel like I vibed with her when she first came out because she was from New Zealand and I like a lot of Auckland. Yeah, I think New Zealand's like interesting. Yeah It's like cool Australia exactly and a lot of interesting bands have come out of New Zealand And there's like because her music was so kind of melancholy

New Zealand has one of the highest like youth suicide rates in the world makes sense because it's so boring probably so I kind of felt like she was tapped into some cool like Suicidal like yeah teen impulse Due to her background and I felt like that was coming across in the music. Yeah, totally but This new song Is horrible. It's awful. Yeah, it's like so generic and bad and whatever it sounds like George Michael's faith Does it I don't even yeah kind of it's sort of but like for chicks. I don't know um or by chicks

I like New Zealand produced by Jack Antonoff. Of course. Yeah That guy has his uh His hand Yeah, New Zealand is like dark cool Australia because they don't have like bone dye beach and Like Sydney. Yeah. Yeah, they seem less optimistic and like Um Outgoing for some reason like it seems like people in New Zealand are like more introspective and depressed, which I like Well, yeah, because I think it's more

For whatever reason just boring. Yeah Um And New Zealand or in Australia like it's all these like coastal kind of like beachy cities where they're like very it's like california Yeah, exactly. Yeah It's like a good amount of listeners in australia. Yeah Because we might go there someday. Oh, my movie is gonna play at the melbourne film festival. Mealbourne Congratulations. Thank you. I thought about going because I kind of like you're gonna take that 43 hour flight

Yeah, I like all Australian business class. Well, hey, yeah, if they put you in business class and do it I'll take any flight business class Um, but I could see all mesh and um, we should congratulate me also. Yes. Yeah on my work. Congratulations, dasha. Very proud of you Thank you. Thanks. Yeah, um, I was very surprised when I found out that I won the For those who don't know. Yeah, I was also surprised not not because of the Um, merit of your film, but because I assumed it would go automatically to some like woke movie I mean, that's cool Yeah, well, I didn't get any bears during like when the official festival was I didn't win like any

accolades right and what I won was like some foundation called the gw ff Which stands for like some long german thing. Uh-huh. They have their own prize for best first feature Oh, okay, and it comes with money and like a little viewfinder. So it's actually Congrats. Yeah, how are you allowed to say how much? Money how much loot? Yeah, I'm gonna get 25,000 euros. That's nice. What is that in in usd? Uh, like 30. Yeah, nice Very cool. Very cool. Yeah, super sick Lots of frilly tops

God, I know Balthazar. Yeah, get the whole seafood platter. Um, I'll probably try to save it. Yeah, you should. Yeah, because I do have scarcity mentality, especially around like large lump sums You know, yeah, like there's a way that that feels different from like other money Yeah, so you're like, I'll never have $30,000 again. I'm gonna like guard this like it's very golemy No, I know that's how when I moved to New York, it was for like grad school to go to NYU and I had a stipend for For my because it was in a PhD program that I dropped out of because I'm like A flunky and a failed daughter, but they gave me, you know, they cut me a check for $11,000 every semester and I would just like clutch this check because it's like the most money I've ever had in my life

Which is like not any money at all. Yeah, like I prevent late to the bank Yeah, exactly. It's just like it was crazy. It's still crazy. So I still have poverty mentality Even though I'm no longer living in poverty. I know. Well, it takes a while to like get that out of your system. Definitely I was reading some like pro-publica publica article about how like Billionaires don't pay any taxes, which we all know, but they like got their hands on some documents and really Explaining in great detail how like Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk just know they just don't pay taxes at all Like I mean they pay like sometimes like very nominal sums of money But even the taxes that they pay nominally

Are like so much money to me Like, you know, it's like he'll earn like 60 billion dollars a year and pay like 2.2 million in taxes Right. Well, I guess it does seem like a lot when it's all together like that Yeah, and I was thinking about how like even rich people like then 1% Are peasants compared to like the 0.01% Yeah, there's definitely a whole different class of like Super rich. I mean that's what you're satanic. You're a bloodsucker. Yeah, there's no reason you need that much money at all Yeah, you couldn't spend it over the course of your lifetime probably and like what would you even what do you want?

Yeah, and you know, you're not going to give it to your kids so much money for yeah, I don't know I mean, that's why they're all pedophiles. Sorry. Yeah, you know Well, yeah, that's why they're all like into like sterilizing Africa before that population boom hits That's how they're spending their money and like weird dystopian projects in the name of like human progress or whatever Yeah, and then their child molesters because that's like the final frontier of like what you can acquire with well, you know Yeah, because it's like should be like uncorruptible like yeah precious and it's like they're like no well defiled I know they should just kill two birds with one stone and do like Weird like genetic testing on the babies that they molest

They probably do Yeah Anyway Thank you. Thank you. Thank you The scary of 61st Yeah It'll come out. I mean, I'm sure I announced this already. Yeah Yeah, it'll screen in New York like in the summer once and then in LA in October and then like some other festivals abroad and then in December

It'll be it'll have theatrical distribution. Yeah, where's it's screening LA in New York and then maybe like a couple other cities Yes, okay, but I don't know with this award. It's kind of it's pretty prestigious. I know it's cool. It's great You should be happy. You should feel proud. I feel good. Yeah. Yeah, I think my I I told you this but my mom asked me to say je vais Belarus when I Accept my award. Well, are you have you decided or have you slept? I'm thinking about it They're not gonna understand what you're saying anyway. So you yeah, and there's been there's a documentary at Berlin this year That's about like the Belarusian free theater That I haven't seen but it seems like they're kinds of the vibe is kind of because Germany obviously

I'm sure they'd love to make Belarus a NATO client Yeah But I still agree ultimately with the sentiment of you know long live Belarus So I might just do it because my mom seemed very like she's like you're from Belarus like it's a neutral statement, right? It's just you know long live Long live Belarus doesn't mean anything. It doesn't Express which side you're on it. It just expresses solidarity with like the Belarusian people I think it was cute that you got that Belarusian write-up. I know that's really that's what my mom called

And she was like you got a Belarusian write-up or you can use Asia to Belarus and I was like, oh my god Yeah, okay, I guess I mean make Lukashenko and his extremely hot son proud I mean Well, that's the thing too is then he could torture me or what if I want to go to belers at some point and now I'm like an activist, you know, I don't really want that smoke. Yeah, um But I guess maybe it's the right thing to do Yeah, uh

No, you could always just play dumb, you know, if they detain you Yeah midair and just be like, I don't know what that means. I'm american. I just you know something my mom drilled into my head Yeah Yeah, anyway, all that's something for me to Something for me to just yeah, I'll deal with that On my own time. I think that you should wing it Yeah, and do it like just decide last I have a lot of people to thank Yeah, you know because I didn't really didn't make the movie myself. It's like

It's a group effort. Yeah, so then it feels a little Look an addendum. Maybe it doesn't feel as if it was like the only thing I said, maybe that would be powerful you're just Up there like I want to thank hunter zimny and Alex Huggins and Javi Belarus is my choreographer I'm just I'm very proud as a Belarusian american You know, that's a short wikipedia list Yeah, it is who else is a Belarusian american?

A lot of people have distant like mario williamson. Yeah I think lisa kudrow. Yeah, and maybe scarjo Okay. Yeah, but they're yeah, that's just like you've raised go bavushka shit. They have yeah, exactly I think lisa well, but yeah, marianne's grandparents are from Belarus But she still won't come on the pod that bitch. She have we tried no Maybe we should call her that bitch. Yeah See if that listen you old bitch. She was singing berri weiss is A berri weiss, how do you say it? Weiss. Yeah

Her praises on twitter and people were upset, but I didn't listen to the podcast So I kind of reserve judgment even though I'm not a fan of berri weiss. I was like, well, we don't really know what she said Yeah, people are mad that I like berri weiss. I think she's a nice girl. She's a nice person I don't really care what her political views are. I can coexist with them Yeah But like I don't know Zionism, you mean. Yeah, I don't really care what any like, oh People get so whipped up on this in this anti Zionist fervor

They're really just projecting their own like American guilt. Yeah. Yeah, that's it's always like I don't know why like I understand like we don't have to Talk about it again. I understand The people's sensitivity over the cause, but it's you know, a little Baroque and bizarre when you're like an American leftist with no dog in the fight to be so like To be obsessed with with Palestine. Yeah when there's like equally horrendous things going on in your backyard But that's just me. Especially if you're not even Jewish. Yeah, you know, yeah, the Jews the Jews

I understand you feel culpable for this like atrocity And you have to yeah Talk litigate and talk about everything in this They love to schmooze and quatch Yeah, so Yeah, war. I don't know if you have any other comments on lords. Oh, yeah Yeah, the video it's just like very you know, it's like a for me. It was like a pinnacle of like woke aesthetics like where they like kind of like

Quirky colors, especially pastels and like ad-libbing Overwhelmingly white people in that video though, not really like a benetton vibe at all. I know that was shocking white Which was shocking to see I don't know why she went for that because I feel like, you know Someone like zway should just like tear her a new one because like in 2021. What are you doing? Not uh stuffing your video full of token hires What's wrong with you? Yeah Like you're asking for punishment Billie Eilish has a video that came out Maybe recently maybe a while ago where she's like hanging out with a bunch of people also

Yeah, and this it's this like genre Miley Cyrus used to do it like genre video where like a pop star hangs out with like A focused group. It's like mood boarded group of people who are like ostensibly their friends, but they yeah, but the ones in lords were so random They weren't even They just like casting process like it in me. I didn't understand I don't know. Maybe they are like her real friends. I don't know. They just they look like lords have that many friends lord probably has like some friends maybe but She definitely doesn't have like a huge group of friends I feel like we must have mutual friends with lord at this point. I feel like it's kind of inevitable

Degrees of separation. Yeah, something like that But no, yeah, the these people again look like dime square people slash people who work for mnz It's like that vibe. That's the upper tier of of dime square people. Yeah, exactly scene But I guess like as good as it gets I mean, I have to hand yeah, it's truly like that's the if we were to do like a hierarchy of like Like dime square. They'd be like yeah, those would be girls at the top. So if you want to send us some shoes I don't think she's so classy. I know she doesn't want to associate but yeah, she doesn't want to

I respect it sully her brand I respect it. No, I do too. Um Just like Andrea long chew I just respect you. Yeah, I just don't fuck with us at all. I'm like I really appreciate when people take a stand against us in a kind of Honorable way where they just won't fuck with us instead of like being little cowards and talking shit on twitter But then like saying hi at a party that that I don't fuck with anyway But yeah, I had like a very woke look minus the diversity Yeah, like, you know, like woke aesthetics are all about like a deliberate like unprofessionalism or amateur

Ship, but it's like kind of also like polished and classy. It's not like diy bushwick stuff Well, it relied the video very heavily on the camera trick of it like moving and her being in the continuous frame. Yeah Um Which I didn't find cute and yeah, I don't like it She's looks like she's been going to the gym. She looks great. I'll give her that she looks great Um, but she also I don't know. I'd respect her more if she looked great and wasn't so like I don't know Not flaunting it. I guess but it's like the whole vibe just feels very like I'm going to the gym

And now I'm like comfortable in my body But she doesn't actually seem to be that comfortable in her body because she's not because she's like kind of an intellectual And a misanthrope. That's very essential. I like seeing her kind of like Like gesticulate cutely, but that's what happens to everyone. Like I think like lord Yeah, it's like kind of like a gothy surly jewish girl Who had the weird misfortune of being born in new zealand and she like to like a poet mother I think her mom's some sort of like academic or something and she was a gifted child Yeah, and like perennially skinny fat and now that she's a celeb. She's had a glow up and she wants

I mean it happens to everybody who experiences it. Yeah like But yeah, it feels very Unfaithful to her brand. I know and I have empathy for it because I bet Obviously being like a teen star of any sort is challenging and yeah It's difficult to be like a

Well-integrated well-balanced person Yeah, I just I do like her better when she's like scribbling poetry in a notebook and wearing like gothy simone rosa gown I don't like this. I mean There's just also It's not consistent with like the album art the song Yeah, if she had gone in that direction like that 90s Magazine gen X direction, I think that would have been better. Yeah more slutty less like Yeah

I don't know. I don't even know how to describe it. Yeah, this this is like vitamin c empowered Yeah, and the song is about like the sunshine and having friends and going to the beach Yeah, it's that's all wrong. Yeah, I think she's like trying to prove too hard that she has gotten over her depression and anxiety Yeah, we can tell she's still depressed you can tell you can see You can see the pain in her eyes. She's not she's not ferrell like no, you know when ferrell sings about how he's so happy I'm kind of like yeah, you're like that's got that's a guy without an internal monologue. He's not a neurotic Never had a bad day in his life. He's just moot grouping. He wrote a nice little song

Yeah, it's gonna make him a billion dollars Yeah, I love that guy. He looks great too Actually, don't I have reverse. Yeah. No, he's A celeb's look. Yeah, blazion. Don't crack. Yeah, that's for sure. Um, what else is on the dock? Oh, yeah Uh, hunter biden saying the n word of macaron getting slapped The fellas verge all getting cancelled for grooming. Yeah A lot on the that's a good docket. Yeah, I'm behaving badly when the daily mail um

Article came out about hunter biden saying the n word soft a in his text correspondences with his white lawyers I sent it to you immediately and was like finally like something Finally the news cycles like giving us something Um Because those were a lot of fun to read the text messages. Yeah. Yeah. I mean who who among us Has not said the n word to the lawyers that our father pays eight hundred seventy five dollars an hour To represent us for That god

I mean to be expected and also totally forgivable Yeah, yeah, the daily mail article made note of how like these texts were leaked the day after his dad made a speech about um um like Racial justice or something in the united states, but it's like yeah, and that's that's fine Yeah, I wish people would just like grow up your fail son is going to say the n word and his text correspondences

It's just how it's it's like inevitable people need to grow up about that word. It's not the hard r the soft a thing is like It's a term of endearment that white people Will use privately because they think black people are cool That's literally what it is. Yeah, it's not Trying to be racist or trying to expropriate something from black people and and I get why this whole shit Yeah, and that's why they're not allowed to say it publicly

and there's just kind of like an understanding of Decorum and like appropriateness around like yeah, of course white people Will be saying it privately. Yeah, and I don't think they should say it publicly. Just of course not exactly Because it's totally cringe not because it's racist Well, yeah, it's just like we're not allowed to say it and we don't for the most part and then but the text correspondences Of hunter biden, I mean, I'm sure he says it like out loud too. Definitely Yeah to girls who when he's like railing lines off of their like thighs or whatever Um, yeah, I did not

Overall find them You know so so shocking but what I did find funny was that Among the text correspondences was this meme that he had saved of Here you take a look at it. So it's Joe Biden and Barack Obama hugging Yeah, and Obama's saying gonna miss you man and then Joe Biden saying can I say it just this once and Obama going Sigh go ahead and Joe saying you you my boob Barack That's the meme. That's the meme and that's the name that hunter sent to someone

and the Daily Mail articles Said it's unclear why Why he saved it What which is like It's unclear why hunter saved the meme on his computer. It's like I think it's very it's totally It's clear why he's saved that meme Yeah, this is like when people Fane confusion as to why

Like sub stacks and Joe Rogan are winning You know, there's a clear cut reason why people save racist memes on their phone. Everybody has racist memes on their phone. Everybody have every race definitely Like it's ridiculous Racist jokes make the world go around they're they're like a benetton style Unification campaign they make everybody like like each other more not like talks about this

Yeah And as I've said before They add like a layer of sexual frizz on to relationships. It's just you it's just a Tonal thing. It's like an affect you can tell when something is in like good nature Yeah, and when something has like malice behind it exactly. Yeah, and And hunter biden calling his lawyers The n-word is definitely without malice and his lawyers are how many lawyers have probably so many

They're all white. Mm-hmm. I mean, that's a stupid question. I shouldn't even ask but I'm pretty sure. Yeah, they're all they're all white. Um Towards the end of the article they also talk about how Um attitudes have shifted around using the n-word like even in quotes because there was a smear campaign video of Joe Biden saying the n-word in like 1985, but it's like he was quoting some other lawmakers But they they took it out of context um And here I'll just read it

In october 2020 a first-year student at ruckers law school in newark used the word while quoting from a 1993 legal opinion in class Warning her fellow students beforehand that the quote contained the slur. The student had said he said um, and I'll use a racial word But it's a quote. He says I'm going to go to treten and come back with my boop Eraser erupted last month when her fellow students circulated a petition demanding. She and the professor apologize That's ridiculous. I mean, it's I mean, it's really like soviet times except instead of getting um shot in like A prison cell in the basement of like lubianca you get a really annoying email

Yeah, you get and you like possibly lose your job and get socially ostracized But I read a really good essay where the sky was talking about how I think I talked may have talked about it in the previous episode about how the sky was talking about how um, uh You can't kind of politicize art and how horrible that is and he talks about like how in the soviet union when They were killing artists in mass like rounding them up sending them to the gulag. They didn't really want to do that It was just the only mode of repression that was available to them and now you can kind of You know run like a lean gulag like I said and have people like panopticon style like control themselves and surveil others

Like you don't have to stoop to violence anymore because you have more kind of So softer, right? Yeah, an efficient means at your hands. Yeah, the artist thought of it that way just won't make Work that yeah Threatens the regime. Yeah, and you get to keep your hands clean exactly But that's very interesting. Yeah, I was like, wow, that's like a great insight that I hadn't even thought of but um, but you can break free from the The panopticon that's the thing is it's not as as

Ultimately authoritarian because brute force really is like the be all and all I think Yeah, no, you don't die But you can certainly again like lose your friends and lose your job Which is you know, you die some sort of death metaphorically speaking. Yeah, but I mean the whole this kind of like war on Saying like quoting rap lyrics or like legal opinions is Just so insulting to people's intelligence. I know and it's like we can say the n-word if

You know on this podcast like right now not like I mean the let's go We can say the n-word and we're going to No, um, I mean the n-word as in the phrase the n-word like if they'd rather When I'm reading all these legal opinions. Yeah, I just use the n-word and like the phrase. Yeah, um, Um, but what is that really accomplishing? I know it's like you still have the association in your head. Exactly, you know Louis CK has a bit about this. Yeah, you just like you still we know what the word is. Yeah, I don't know why we have to You know beat around the bush and live in this fake and gay unreality

I know It is crazy when you look at like Um, when you watch like old tv shows or movies or like listen to Howard Stern They really drop that word a lot and with the hard R and you're just like like that word always sounds really bad Yeah, no, well affect once again. It's just awful. Yeah, it's just a really heinous word Yeah, it's like not funny and not ever like you know Yeah, and I'll it's shocking

And sometimes the shock value of it Can be funny, but very rarely yeah, but also Incidentally, I feel like this latest Incident with hunter has not really affected his reputation that much because it's already so in the gutter that he's really also uncancelable Yeah, well, he's Yeah, that's that much is clear. I think he's just going to be kind of like a staple of news cycles that

Will illustrate in some way ultimately like the Vacuousness of the binded administration. Yeah, it'll sort of like underscore how Retarded everything is It will have to read about it and he'll just be kind of this like fixture In the background that's like a source of shame for the biden family, but also weirdly manufacturers consent for them Exactly because it makes them seem more Human and he should have said the n word in his memoir. Honestly I would have made it a better read. You should have snuck it into one of his father's speeches

You know joe has said the n word hard are many a time of course Who's he friends with like strong thurman like he is like segregationist pals um Anyway, that's why they have to do so much damage control if they're if their conscious was clean They wouldn't have to like he's don the white hood. Mm-hmm macron Oh, I was going to pivot to the race card. Oh, yeah, because it seems more macron guns slapped, but I didn't really Read about

What happened? I just read that headline that the guy who slapped him had like mine comf in his backpack Yeah, yeah, and I was so brain dead that I read it as him having mine comf on his person It was an ambiguous headline. Yeah, I was like, he's really trying to compete with marine le pen Let's go um Yeah, so he got slapped because he ran toward a crowd. I think he just should have slapped the guy back That's my only take on macron. It would have been cool. That's a frenchman's fight right there French people seem like they like slap each other around a lot

And then there was um, there was um, somebody wrote an analysis on bbc Some guy called Hugh Schoenfeld about how um macron getting slapped is proof of french society and decline And I was like, there's plenty of other like the fact that they like don't replenish their population And they're like economy is stagnant. There are other signs that I mean, I felt that way when I read that men in dresses article Yeah, that were that we'll get to later. Yeah, I was like, oh, it seems like a sign of Of decadence and decline But not not macron getting slapped that seems like a sign of like vitality and like a fun culture That's what we like to see very french je ne sais quoi

They all have like what's that french expression that means like punchable face Oh, I wouldn't know there's a really good one I don't remember what it is, but it literally means punchable face and it's like every french person has like a punchable face I know Sometimes it works. Sometimes it's it's hot. Yeah. I well, okay, like when I went to paris I've never seen so many hot people men and women alike on the street and like I live in new york Where there's like beautiful women on the street less so beautiful men, but Like new york really has some gorgeous people. Yeah

Yeah, but in paris was the only place I went to where I was like actively attracted to the men on the street because they had like big Complex louis garelle faces. They weren't like, you know cute skater guys or whatever so hot And I was just like and they wear like, you know, like camel coats, but not in a gay way They kind of dress Not my fave. It's not my I've only really been to paris, but I you know Well, it's not my fave either, but I will say like the thing that attracts me to it is that it's adult It's not childish like they're not walking around and like jinkos, you know

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it is a little smidium vibe. It is. Yeah, it's totally it's like um, it's like It's like early on express, but higher quality Yeah, or like Armani exchange. Yeah Vibes, but I like the rich ones who have like a cashmere scarf thrown over their shoulder Yeah, I know what you mean. No, they do their taste level is just higher. It's better. Yeah, it's undeniable It's like it would make some annoying, but it's part of their their strength to yeah, I've really grown to to love the french I

Just I didn't have a good time there, but I respect them and I don't you have a good time in paris I don't know. I was kind of bored. I see it is very boring Unless you like know somebody who could take you to like the hot spots You kind of have to make your own way among snotty people I think I had that thing that like Japanese people get when they go to france where they get depressed because it doesn't like match up to there Like the cultural shock of it not like what they kind of think it's gonna be like because I did I feel I felt very like Empty or something. Yeah, I feel like I should feel more like

In paris. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think like Japanese people go To paris and they think it's gonna be like amelie and like Brigitte Bardot And it's just like a bunch of unemployed moroccan guys cat calling the woman And like an internet cafe that sells like uh Saran wrap croissants And not like a beautiful bakery. Exactly Anyway, the race card. Yeah um

National Geographic. Yeah, has some projects Yeah, I have to I'm gonna pull up this thread because it's really great I'm I'm scrolling as well It's it's a 10-year project that some like woman artists did black woman artists presumably that like photographs I don't know how they like it seems a little suspect that it was a 10-year project and then they like just Kind of like released it right in the midst of this like post blm crt

Woke moment, but she takes photos of people and asks them to describe themselves their their attitude toward race in six words. Yeah I mean, I think Well, it yeah, it doesn't make it seem like Because I think the strength of doing a project like this, which is super dumb um Over the span of such a long time would kind of be an interesting way to illustrate like changes in Racial yeah ideology or something, but instead it's like they're not chronological in any way. They're kind of just random

and the project was She asked people to describe their feelings on race in just six words She thought few would respond here are some of the responses out of half a million so far that she's saved And the the drawback to doing something like this obviously is that it forces people to Make these short kind of like

They don't feel like high-coo they don't feel poetic or like high-coos or something. Yeah, I feel like there's awkward arbitrary and awkward. Yeah When I'm with kids dad alone thug exclamation point like that kind of thing um, it's funny that like She thought she wouldn't get any replies because everybody's such a jannis soprano today. They're just like Jumping at the chance about race. Yeah, did Sorry, did you want to hear six words? Did someone want to hear my thoughts on race? Uh, I am not an exotic creature

some ethnically ambiguous girl who's Yeah, not that hot. Yeah, that's a elaborate way of saying you're not that hot Yeah, you're right. Well, she then it says Hannah people said the constant guessing game about her identity as well as the harassment and unwanted attention She's received one quote creepy men makes her feel like a specimen. Her six word story was born of exasperation it's like really What is she talking by the way like

Creepy men are exoticizing you all the time. I mean they are but it's like harmless like I'm Whatever A russian white person and I get exoticized all the time. You know that men are horny for you for you and you're like When they're when they're like Anna You know like men always exoticize you as a woman all women. You don't have to be that attractive You don't have to be that special men are horny like get over yourself You should be so lucky Um

Anyway, yeah, there was my favorite one was like the couple the Blonde-haired wife and the Iranian guy with the beard and the wife is like after 9 11 My white husband became Iranian and the husband's was like I don't look Iranian Well, I am and it's just like you guys are such weird sex fetishes. First of all, he's out here looking like soya tola komini With his like beard that he grew He this man has like a fake beard that he grew just for the express purpose of being detained at airports

Like because he wants to be like racially right. That's why And they also have some they clearly have some sort of like sexual like fetish play thing going on where she gets off Like, you know, there's like those women that get off on the thought of their boyfriend donning a face mask Like a ski mask and breaking into their apartment and raping them. That's this but for Islamic terrorism She's like getting off on him being like a jihadi or like Mujahideen Forcing her into like white sharia I guarantee you that's what it is. I mean, it's hard to say It's hard to say what really the vibe is. You don't know. They could be trapped in like a

A loveless a loveless marriage of convenience where the only thing holding them together is his oppressed status as a Iranian man post in a post 9-11 climate Yeah, but like the thing is like Iranian Iranian people are like a border case. They're Both white and not white. They're literally on the border delineating. I mean if Armenians are white Yeah, then I remember I got into a fight with a Turkish girl on Twitter because she called me a white girl And I was like, bitch, if you're if I'm white, you're white too. And if I'm not white, you're not white too We're like the same genetic pool. Bill Maher was saying the other night that Sephardic Jews aren't white

I mean, yeah, they're a French case because they're they're basically whatever Arabs are. Yeah, but it's like if Armenians are white then Then definitely Sephardic Jews are too. Yeah, but Sephardic Jews are like what like Syrian Jews, Egyptian Jews, like they're Middle Eastern Jews. So it's sketchy. It's literally a fringy kind of thing And like air, you know, certain Arabs are white like Levantine Arabs, Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians are technically white, right? It's an arbitrary. Yeah, it's like all this stuff is like so like

retarded The only thing we can be sure of is that Russians aren't white. Yeah, they're they're the the blacks of eastern Europe Um, I'm just kidding. Those are like the Nigerians that go to study engineering in Moscow. Um Yeah, but this is like this kind of project. The thing is like I feel like it's also like Intentionally woke trolling people like there's no way that they didn't know that this would piss people off. I mean this Yeah, woman Yeah, that's like gender goblin She says her six words are I'm ashamed for my ancestors race

Yeah, Lindsay level hydric was born in Arkansas and her ancestors ran a small plantation small plantation in Georgia and Just like two or three slaves and owned slaves when I try and bring things up or try and criticize the south, you know It's never gone over great with my family She's the worst one of all because she's like Victimizing herself within the context of her like her own heritage. Yeah, I know. It's like horrible I try to tell people how the south is wrong It's like my family doesn't really my family hates me because I'm always going on about my Racial justice campaign and how ashamed I feel. I mean

Yeah, she should be ashamed of That presentation I won't say more But that's deliberately designed Exactly fury eight people because you're like what this like overweight gender queer person is ashamed of her. Yeah. Oh damn. Yeah I mean, it really does suck that her like ancestors owned slaves, but like Yeah, but that's what's that got to do with you? shame is not like a

productive Psychological state to live in. No, it's not narcissistic and indulgent. Exactly. Yeah I'm so lucky. I don't have anything in my history to get to be ashamed about I mean same My family was only ever like uh On the wrong side Surf, yeah Seriously, I don't have to worry about them like owning plantations or like killing people

Arguably some of the worst-off people in history Like Eastern Europe like oh, yeah, true. Yeah that those people have been really fucked over. Yeah Yeah, like literal serfs christian or one world war two just eviscerated like Yeah, just a really rough spot So we're lucky, but yeah now we get to podcast with impunity Yeah, and because we've never oppressed anyone. Yeah an edge saying the n-word like every This is a three-year-long performance piece It'll end when one of us

accidentally Anyway, yeah But it's an interest like that kind of this kind of like Carousel or whatever art project is very interesting because it's like a total sign of the times It's um, you know, it it's like everybody's in on the joke like everybody knows that we live in like a fake and gay unreality Yeah, and the point isn't even to convince or to persuade or to convert anyone Yeah, or even just to reaffirm like

Hegemony basically Yeah, but everybody get that's why it's also like so soviet because everybody gets that it's fake The only difference that it dawned on me because you know, I was like reading about like hyper normalization And stov and all the stuff that I'm interested in That was written a lot about by this anthropologist Alexei Yurchuk who adam kurtis took the title for hyper normalization from and he talks about how in in the soviet union and late soviet union there was this like consensual like fantasy agreement between the powers and the masses that they would agree like join hands

And like agree to live in this like fake simulated society that was Supposed to look more functional than it was right and it dawns on me that in the united states the hyper normalization takes the form of Trying to convince people that they live in a society. That's more dysfunctional Like we're supposed to believe that we have rape culture and patriarchy and Racism and all this stuff well to such a degree that it's untenable and I don't buy that Buy that well that to me maybe even is like a distraction from the real ways in which society is like right dysfunctional which like I mean cancel culture is a perfect example, right because it's like

It's like the venues that like we're close for covet anyway being like well, we're not letting aerial pink play here anymore or whatever it's like or wine scene kind of Going down just as like the studio system is like changing and like I think covet and cancel culture and all this stuff is really underscored really how like Bad things actually are and how flimsy the infrastructure is but instead we like Cancel culture is this facade that makes it seem like things are like like we're taking with things are going so well that we can like be Canceling people. Yeah, actually None of these things have been like profitable for a long time. Yeah, exactly. They're like dying

I was a lesson industries. Exactly. So everything thus in the art world as well. It's kind of like It's easy to feel like things are disposable Yeah, and it's like really exposed kind of the threadbare precarious nature of Both economic and social relations in this country and it really Has nothing to do with like gender or race even though it appears that way superficially Like the core problems are Problems that affect everybody

Yeah, and they affect poorer people more And middle-class people in a sort of medium way and then the rich not that much, you know to not at all. Yeah So I think like that but that was like, you know, it like hit me that insight that they're in america the kind of simulation Codes for a society that's more dysfunctional. Whereas in the soviet union it coded for a society that was more functional That's interesting. And I have to like figure out now why that is but That's what these kind of like nat geo

projects I think exist to reaffirm. Yeah And I feel like if you're getting mad at them You're on the wrong track. Yeah, you've really already lost. Yeah, like you've lost the plot in some way anyway No, that's uh, that's a good point Speaking of which I guess we can talk about the Men in dresses. Oh

I was gonna there's so much today. I was gonna talk about verge. Oh, yeah, let's do that Because we I'm sure people are dying to hear our take I mean, this is really We deliberated whether or not we would talk about this but this really is our lane like grooming discourse Yeah, that's we're really the authority on like what appropriate age gap discrepancies are and Yeah, ages of consent and stuff like that. That's why people always ask ask us stuff like that on our love lines Um, so I knew a new twitter account popped up a couple days ago um

With the name jennifer seaberg Um sounds fake sounds fake and I've read somewhere was like a reference to someone And who like killed themselves because of online bullying all of this. There's lots of interesting kind of mysterious details, but basically Jennifer seaberg outed Virgil texas formerly of Chapo trap house as her groomer

And it's a long thread but it starts and it's very boring when she's it starts when I was a teenager I thought Virgil texas was very funny. I asked him to proofread an essay I submitted to a website and emailed it to him. The essay was about turning 16 We talked a little bit and I thought he was very cool because he was funny and he lived in new york Very interesting obfuscating happening here. Yeah, when I was a teenager. Yeah The essay was about turning 16, right Clearly she was 18. Otherwise she would have said she was 16, right and she's trying to link It may be even 19. She's trying to link her state of teenage hood to an essay. She wrote about turning 16

Right. She's supposed to she's creating a psychic link in people's minds Like kind of like aoc did when she collapsed her insurrection trauma with her sexual assault trauma Exactly to make it impossible to contest her like political demands, right? Yeah Yeah, that yeah, that's a smart Not gonna work this time. Yeah Uh, she goes on to talk about how they had like this relationship basically over face time Before she went to college or maybe Summer after her freshman year or something. So she was also in her childhood bedroom

When they were having these interactions Um, and then I guess I'll just I don't know It seems like he lost interest in her and she may be sent him a photo of her tits. Yeah, so Um, and she also writes that they texted late at night when she was alone in her childhood bedroom, which is another kind of like very uh manipulative Suggestive detail because you're supposed to see her as a 16 year old in her childhood bedroom. Yeah, it's worth also noting that virtual is like 23 At the time I am. Yeah

Um, I'm guessing he's like this was not like recently. Yeah, okay I'm guessing he's in his mid 30s. No clue. Yeah, no clue Asian don't crack Uh, anyway, ambiguously aged Virgil, so I think was even younger at the point of these interactions Yeah, and I think like the future of of me too or whatever the remnants of the me too movement the the hipster runoff is going to be like people making Even vaguer and vaguer insinuations

Like there's nothing so what happened he got tired of her and Yeah, he stopped stopped talking to her because he probably found like an irl girlfriend because she was probably being a drag Yeah, so this feels a little sus to me, but I guess we Can't know it seems plausible. I guess that it happened Yeah But it doesn't really matter if it did or not. Yeah, I'm just the whole thing is like Shrouded in this accusatory language

That people are responding to but really nothing Transgressive occurred took place and I'm just curious why all the kind of fracas furor, whatever over Virgil, texas Well, because people hate him No, I know and I'm not even saying this as like an insult or a dig finally get one over on chapeau or whatever because they're Yeah, because they're jealous and stuff Yeah, but lots of like libs back in like

2016 twitter, I feel like when Libs and leftists were really beefing. Yeah Of course now we know that they're completely the same well remember In 2015 when a liberal became a pejorative I distinctly remember that and now it's kind of coming back around or like leftist is the pejorative and liberal is kind of Almost neutral. It's still negative, but it's kind of veering toward neutrality. Bill Marr was praising some like um

Politician on his show for being a classic liberal. Yeah I watched like 20 minutes of bill marr. That's why That's why I keep bringing it up How was it? Annoying and then boring. I mean, I'd love to come on. I think we do great. Yeah, he'd love us We're not black a lot of fun, but but no, he gets all kinds of you know He likes to get like different kinds of people on you know, I know but he loves the black ladies That's this thing right well, he would still think we're nice girls. We would still think we're black because we're salty

We would have a good time um but He is smarmy And he's not doing himself any favors with that attitude. No. Yeah, he's he's annoying and like Uh, I'm sorry kind of a dweeb, but I think like initially when he started out He was brave and I will give him credit for that one show a week. That's Cool. That's good for him. Yeah, he also I have to say that's a sustainable workload right there Yeah, totally. Yeah, like oh you do one show. Well, we do too

Um, I have to say the other thing that I will say nice about bill mars that he has a very good voice I thought you're gonna say huge. He has a huge dick or so. I've heard yeah, everyone has heard about his huge hog That's why he hasn't been canceled. You think he has a smooth voice. He has a good voice. Yeah Yeah, it's like very masculine. It's not gay or or brain or definitely brackish or whatever. It's yeah Yeah, no big big dick. Nice voice. Yeah, he's no Tucker Carlson, but Tucker Carlson actually has a really annoying voice. I know He's like the he's like an eager neocon in the bay club. Definitely doesn't know. No, definitely not Whatever

Maybe it's like wide but definitely not Long the bow tie. Yeah Oh, yeah, he could use a rebrand. He could. Yeah, he should go back to wearing like, um, barbara jackets Yeah, you should take a patron conservative men should take note of that the preppy style That steve bannon really does. Yeah, that put them on the map But I mean virgil is such a virgin. I doubt, you know, if this actually went down that he even asked to see her titties

She probably sent them unsolicited, which is like your first mistake, you know Yeah Yeah, this happens before virgil was a chapeau, correct? If long allegedly, okay, this was like, I don't know Unclear it's like go to sam. She references like sam hide later. It's all like People have been trying to get virgil in trouble for a long time because he like, I don't know isn't But why I mean he's he actually because he was like a stand-up comedian aspiring stand-up comedian Who like definitely said the n-word dealt with someone's savory sam hide adjacent. Yeah characters or something. Who cares?

I mean like, yeah, I look I'm not really I'll go on the record. I've never really been a fan of Virgil. I think that he's like tedious and bloviating uh I mean hard to agree and like never really been that nice to me. No weird Yeah, and I think he tries kind of hard to To come off as like smart and whatever and the blazer Yeah, stuff. It's not for me the kind of like Off-brand julian casablanca's branding

He needs to grow up a little bit. He needs to clean up his act but and this is why I hate me too because it it Makes me and makes everybody effectively defend These guys who are on charismatic and unlikable. It's like the qualmo thing Did he do anything wrong? I don't know. I don't I don't think so. Not this time Who knows maybe there's like a grab bag of like he's yeah, I mean he has It'll will towards him because I think a lot of people find him distasteful

And in that way he's done something wrong, but Yeah, and I'm sure people find him distasteful and then are angry and jealous that He makes so much money because they want his job. I'm sure that's how people feel about one or both of us too I get it. It's all very understandable but I think like I really hate living in this world of like paranoia and recrimination where your only recourse is to like Launch digital allegations against somebody. I mean, I feel that I like remember reading the responses and stuff I remembered kind of that visceral feeling of people piling on us online. Yeah, and I was like, oh, that sucks

Yeah, even if you like Aren't invested in twitter and are like basically Ignoring it. Yeah, it's still like ways on you like ambiently whenever like people are like really piling on you and taking an opportunity to Yeah, and my thing is like I don't care how much of a tedious or bloating or annoying person you are if if um You haven't done anything wrong and I'm like a very much a innocent until proven guilty person Then like you don't deserve it But I'm less concerned with that what I'm more like concerned with is as these allegations become more and more vague

And insinuating and not like well, he's not going to lose his job or anything. No, I mean, what's his job podcasting with brian a joy gray? Yeah, yeah, he's not gonna lose his job. They're not gonna take him down Well, yeah, and it's interesting because I feel like lately these all of these me too allegations like gray and smidium have really failed to stick Because there's an initial kind of like critical mass when everybody was like falling, you know And now it feels like very disparate kind of like fanatical voices. Yeah more so Yeah, but doesn't and those are easier to tune out. Yeah, exactly. But I think like I can't

For the life of me put myself in the shoes of people who would launch a campaign like this against somebody Even if they are like unlikable or enviable or whatever No, just like what does it say about you that you're so fixated on somebody else? Yeah This is by the way, um, it's a dark. Yeah quality of mind Yeah, this is granting that he did nothing wrong. But even if there was some kind of I mean I mean, just based on our allegations something wrong. She would have said what he did wrong. Yeah, and there's nothing. Yeah She like apparently he was dating Marie Calloway at the time And then she DMed Marie Calloway to tell her what happened

And Marie Calloway said, um, what do you what do you want? What do you want me to do? That was a pretty cool answer Expertly said. Yeah, like what do you want her to do? Not my problem. Yeah He didn't do anything Yeah, surely everyone must realize that and people are just like opportunistically like Dunking on him or whatever. I don't know. I think some people probably don't realize that and they think that Like there is some kind of so long no one can read the whole yeah, they're like it must be yeah I mean, he has no he has no choice now to get ahead of these allegations. He has to become trans He has to become like Virginia or justine or something. Yeah

And then he can start a new podcast. I want to say something that's so mean, but I'm not going to What? Ah, damn it Yeah, I'm gonna let it start up Um, but he can start I don't think I could hear it. He can start a new podcast called Chappo Tran's house Yeah, people will love that He's always reminded me of like, um, Stevie Janowski as Cherry Blossom from He's Found and Down

You've said that before and it's very funny Anyway, I don't want a dog. I'm not gonna use this hour or anything. He doesn't need more critique right now He's going through a hard time with his pedophilic allegations, but yeah, which he probably does have pedophilic desires I don't know, but that's not that's I mean all leftist men do. It's Like the vast majority of them. Yeah, let's just Because they're adult infants, but that's beside the point It's just assume if you're in the gym You've yeah, you're groomed before. Yeah, totally

Um It's a garage rock guys. It's like Yeah, it's I mean, it's people who are at a perennially infantile stage of their emotional development Which is why they're into politics in the first place. Yeah Um, anyway, I saw a really funny tweet that was like Virgil was grooming girls to become democrats That's really That's really good. Whoever did that That's funny

You have my uh You have my um, I mean, I hope he doesn't stop doing his podcast I've never listened to that would be so cowardly. I don't think he will he has no reason to the money's right. Yeah But they you know, you know, he always seemed kind of like the wokest one in chapeau Yeah, like when they apologized for doing like the Bill Cosby thumbs up picture Yeah, oh, I don't know. He just always seemed kind of like I don't know Yeah, he I guess he is the wokest one in chapeau, but that's they got so successful that they had to basically start

Wokely policing themselves. I know. Well, that's what happens. I like that's why we we're we're plateauing so nicely Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's what happens once you come into money I actually I don't know if I should ever admit this but I read a a good piece by mold bug Curtis Jarvan on substack About kind of the failure of right wing pundits And it's a really long piece that gets into a lot of like minutiae and basically says that, you know You can't urge people to vote for policies. You have to urge people to vote for A person which is a strong man, you know, da-da-da that kind of thing But the beginning of the of the

essay is actually really good because he describes that the problem with being any sort of A pundit including a podcaster is that once you get into any sort of situation Where you start making money and it becomes your livelihood You start auto censoring yourself, which is a damn shame and you lose a lot of the fire that you originally had when you were like poor and angry right And you start lying to your audience Because you have no choice. It's a totally organic process. It's nobody's fault But yeah, I understand that like as you know, your uh

Brand or whatever LLC, whatever becomes bigger But I think like also you have like let this be a lesson that like when you bill yourself as woke Consciously, you're gonna be the first one to fall because the wokes will turn on you first, of course because they stand for nothing Yeah, and it and they can smell weakness and they Uh, we'll punish it, you know twofold. I mean, there's that great story About it's like an anecdote about um Stalin that he used to punish People that would grovel for forgiveness way worse than those who would take, you know, their punishment straight very Stalin. Yeah

Yeah, I mean, it's very uh, it's very like also like Caucasian man Yeah, but that's how people react to weakness when you show weakness they punish it more than they punish, you know strength or resilience That's that's true So that's all stay vigilant out there. Yeah, stay vigilant And make sure you never scorn any Teen that you start corresponding with yeah, I mean how many of these male podcasters have corresponded with teens 100 like all of them Um, of course, I mean we correspond with teens on occasions

Yeah, not like, you know, I would never FaceTime a teen but like You know, I go on the discord sometimes and stuff. I try my like, you know I try to be nice to our you young man. Yeah to our youth audience and not steer them wrong, uh What was that I that thing that the girl says that he he told her that she had a nice chest for her age That also sounded fake. What yeah, eventually Justin lost interest in me not after telling me I had a nice chest not the word he used quote for my age And made fun of people with autoimmune diseases and we stopped communicating

I went to college a year or so after during college I started to realize this wasn't normal and that it had a negative impact on my emotional health I asked Marie for help and she said, what do you want me to do? And that's basically those are the allegations. She said he also made fun of her for vaping And someone told her recently that he now this is indeed vapes This is just like kind of like a grab bag of keywords vaping autoimmune chest What autoimmune disease do you think he made fun of? I don't know limes fibro

What are the big ones morgue? Yeah is um Shit, I don't know Probably limes that makes sense. He has no place making fun of autoimmune disorders as a person who looks like he has one just saying Celiacs disease or something that was probably he probably made fun of someone with like a gluten intolerance And this has been it's taken her years to like get it over extrapolate and do the levels of like woke chesery to like Craft or perfect statement. That's gonna make it seem like he really did something wrong

Yeah, totally I don't know. Well that sucks. I hope he can keep his uh His lucrative broadcasting job. I wish him the best Unless he's actually pedophile and which case we condemn his actions condemn him and we never Or liked him and that's on the record. Yeah I always had a weird feeling about that guy Um guys wearing dresses. Oh, yeah Another woke baiting take the trans pill virtual piece from the

From the failing new york times What's this some new um Um title mx instead of mr. Or miss mix. How do you say that mix? I guess. Yeah, that's if you're a they them. Yeah The boys in their summer dresses gender fluidity enters its next phase as men increasingly step out in skirts and frocks And it's sort of let those uh, have you noticed men wearing dresses No, I mean I live in dime square. So all the men dress incredibly gay even the straight ones Yeah

But but even here I feel like there's I haven't seen any picked up on this trend I saw one guy who's like my local barista In a dress once and it was like fine. It was kind of a romper or something I saw a guy wearing a skirt at blooming dales But it was more like a kilt and it actually he was gay obviously and it looked good Um But beyond that like the instances that they well Lil Nas X wore also a kilt On some talk show literal celebrities and pop stars will always do well kid cutty wore this off-white

Like sundress. Yeah, and I think it looked terrible. It looks horrible. Yeah, it does not it just doesn't work Not flattering. It's weird when these like new young guys try to do like David Bowie Harry Yeah, Harry Styles is the worst because he seems like an insecure and mean person and he's wearing all these like quirky things and carrying a handbag and Yeah Straight women are supposed to find this attraction A man carrying a handbag like an Olsen twin, you know in the crook of their elbow. That's like so

Unbearable like even gay guys don't do that like a fragile queen Yeah, and he can't pull it off. He doesn't have the personal charisma. No. No. No. Well in other instance Acep Rocky Also wearing a kilt. He looks hot. I don't feel he looks hot He's also wearing like they've styled him in a very masculine way. So I don't think this counts neither really does a little Nas X I feel like cool black guys wearing kilt is not the same as like Yeah Gender fluid people wearing dresses that they look horrible and I know yeah

Yeah, black guys can like hot cool charismatic black guys can literally wear whatever they want like Dennis Rodman. Exactly Exactly. He's the most stylish guy in the yeah, but he was like the original Kind of gender bender and like of the 90s and then like Kurt Cobain. I guess did it It was made cooler the first time around because Kurt as like a Pisces was very tapped into Uh, you know, like there's the thing that bothers me about men wearing dresses is that it's so like Unconsidered. Yeah, it's like they don't In this article, they really kind of like there's just all these like random quotes for men being like women can wear whatever they want

And I am expressing like expressing yourself like for the sake of it Yeah, and there's very little like follow through or thought into like what they're trying to achieve by Right wearing a dress Because when women put on dresses, they have things that they are trying to achieve They're trying to like accentuate parts of their bodies or like provide easy access. Yeah, exactly Like cloth fashion isn't just like Random. Yeah I think yeah

They I don't know. I don't think they know what they're trying to achieve I think they're like motivated by this like vague sense of rebellion Right where like I think where this is all going is like kind of All-purpose low quality moomoo sewn by sterilized weaver female prisoners and like sold on essence Like I don't think that we're in the middle of a gender revolution I think we're in the middle of an obesity epidemic and that's where and also like a decline in A quality of labor. Yeah So all clothes

Now is just like really shoddily and cheaply thrown together I know like even like I was thinking like even like expensive clothing Like the kind you get from like farfetch or essence is basically just mall clothing of the 90s. Like it's that quality Yeah, I know. I know it's not like Exceptional quality unless you're buying maybe like Chanel or bull mon or anything But I or something like that, but I don't know because I don't really on is really well made But it's so at that but at that point then the price point is like in the tens of thousands of dollars and like what are you really paying for? Yeah, who would buy that?

But yeah, that's what it feels like. I think that the what we're calling like a gender revolution or whatever is misdiagnosed And it's like two things. It's like I think people are getting Fatter on average and I think people want to be Enfantilized. Yeah, like there's this idea that men even straight men now um as somebody else put it want to kind of inhabit the the

Weakness of strength that women have Well, that's because men have so much. I mean women have so much cultural power Right because they've feminized the culture to such a degree that its values are now Fem, effeminate. Yeah, and being a man, especially a white man is like truly kind of like Obsolescing and irrelevant or whatever, but I actually think it's it's worse than that. I think that What they really want is to be contained Like a baby

Like they they want to be infantilized And they want to be parented. It's not about being a woman. It's about being a child Like it's almost like parented and won't in what way Like I think they just want somebody else to take control and constrain Restrain them. So all these acts of rebellion and provocation are really that Like it's not really a gender or a sex thing. It's it seems to transcend No, their identification sexual orientation that's no, I'm hearing you there's like a Freudian like look at me dad What if I wear a dress and they want their dad to strike them down and say like no son

You're not wearing a dress, but there's no There's no paternal superstructure there. There's no yeah, it's a pretty state. Yeah, but the state's not going to do that because the state sanctions Yeah The almost like charade that we have to all participate in for some reason Yeah, like the gender straight and it's like it's a giant cry for help. I think It's like literally like contain me restrain me, you know, like this is like I'm being ironic and sarcastic

But I had this idea of writing a Jordan Peterson style 12 rules for life book From the perspective of like what adults can learn from babies now that I have a kid Like what is my kid like like what calms him when I swaddle him in a blanket very tightly That's what puts him to sleep because all organisms all human creatures want To well, they just not be so responsible, you know, you don't watch shark tank, but they're no um on a recent episode They're one of the pitches was like a adult swaddle like a thing that you can step into and swaddle yourself in and now it's like

I don't know a million multi-million dollar business because yeah people yeah want to be swaddled well and people like those um weighted anxiety blankets like that's a thing Yeah And like weird like fur suits like all of this like it really is not baby stuff big time Yeah, it's really not a gender thing This also like hit me like a brick or a wall of bricks because I'm like so um, you know Delirious and brain dead right now. So like my brain is less rigid and more associative Chain smoking and drinking frozen margaritas while my baby

Cry Writing your screed about the truth about gender Yeah, but I mean it really like I think is that on some level because I think also men As a group have no purpose now I mean, I'm you know, I'm a big like early childhood development Yeah, I really believe that it Is incredibly important part of like the human experience that like for some people traumatizes them So much that they like can't function

Um, and then everyone else is like traumatized in minor ways that just kind of give them personalities Yeah, but that's is what it is. Yeah, it's like something happened in early childhood where To a troubling amount of people where now we have this situation where adults want to be like swaddled like babies Yeah, by wearing like whatever slip dresses and kills because no one like Told them about dignity or something. Yeah, and it's like, you know, like when they weren't yeah, I'm sorry. No, no go ahead They weren't like initiated into the symbolic order properly and yeah, we're having a breakdown of like

How things function. Yeah, and I think you know, like you said that this is Struck you as like the sign of like a decadent society and decline and you know Poglia has that bit that the any kind of like weird gender play is the sign of a decadent society And I don't think it's decadent Because of its sexual or gender expression though those things may be pathological Maybe not depending on the particular situation Again, it's decadent because it's abdicating responsibility for oneself and it's entering into this like Childlike mode. Yeah

And that's just like Freaky and also Um, I know that like people Can call me a hypocrite for this, but it really bothered me that one guy who was pictured standing on his bed in combat boots It's like dude. What are you doing wearing your like curb stompers? With like some stupid moomoo like on your canopy bed. God Here's a quote from a non-binary person

mx and claire Says for the longest time people were so stuck on being one way or the other Referring to waning gender dress codes queer people queer people have been playing with this for a long time But now you see a lot of guys in dresses that don't identify as all that feminine Again total weird breakdown about what of this symbolic order. Yeah of like, why would you wear? Feminine gown, I guess ostensibly like to highlight what their like masculinity You know, yeah, I guess. Yeah, but there's it's so it's it's just such a meaningless dress shirt I feel

But that's like, you know, like when david bowie did it and I'm actually not a particularly big fan of David bowie. I think he was like kind of fake and gay like mcjagger had that great line about how like he You would hang out with him and he'd ask you where your shoes were from and then show up next week wearing your same shoes Well, but he was a you know, a very charismatic singular individual And when he did the cross-dressing thing It was very clear that while he was like beautifully androgynous. He was also very powerfully masculine. He was very Dennis rodman too. He's like so high T. It's a

Right and that's the difference kind of between because what bowie did was like androgynous And truly weird. Yeah, and this is so just like This these instances that they point to of men like wearing dresses that I'm not even convinced even exists Yeah, you know It exists for the purposes of this article or like the three people that they interviewed for this This like sinister homosexual who wrote the article just rounded up some of his house of yes friends Or like yeah, I excited to talk about how they they they can wear whatever they want or something I lost my train of thought. No, sorry, whatever

I thrifted this fit in westwood kilt from beacons closet. You can't stop me. My point was yeah, it's not Truly subversive. It's not androgynous. It's not ambiguous. It's like they're point. They're going to like dress barn and putting on like a mu mu because yeah, I think you're right because they want their like dad To punish them. Yeah, but daddy's not coming. Yeah, he's not there He's a war veteran. Daddy's dad. He's a korea war bat Daddy's strung out on opiates um

Yeah, daddy's chinese and you can't help you anymore Um, but it's really sad because These kids like also have they literally have nothing to rebel against Right because there was no yeah like order ever Or orchestrated, which is like that why they're like rebelling at against everything at once against themselves Yeah, and like the future is going to be like yeah, like everybody like eating soft foods wearing mu mu's Having like an all-purpose poop shoe renting everything. Yeah, you'll own nothing and you'll be happy the great reset Oh, yeah, who what was that ad was that for the great reset?

That was for the great reset that we like never really followed up on and it could be taking taking place now I think it is. Yeah in the midst of it. Well, what there's some godavos style Um con political kind of summit happening right now Joe Biden tweeted about it. I was like diplomacy is back Let me find it. I'm actually gonna go on Joe Biden's twitter Which I've never done. I'll never follow him. No um President Biden Oh my goodness

Macron and I stand together ready to take on the toughest challenges the slappers He should slap he looks like he's about to slap Macron actually That would be really funny. I would respect Joe Biden if he slapped him Just a little tap just like a little condescending tap. You know not a full follow-through Oh, this is it. It's g7 summit. Oh, yeah, it's another one of those like like dappostyle bloodsucker summits Say satanic. They're standing in like a satanic formation. Yeah, I think they're social distancing, but And I like that boris johnson is in in the middle because he's actually by far

my favorite one of these Global policymakers for sure At least he has like a sense of humor um Anyway, god Trudeau is such a cuck He seems like a groomer too by the way. Yeah, he'll get out at any day now. Yeah groomer just means like Like Loser who talked to teens instead of women their age because they couldn't like tolerate them. Yeah

Because they're like emotionally on the level. Yeah Anyway, um What else do we have anything else? No on the docket. We've done like an hour 20 um That's not bad. Oh, yeah, I read that study too. I sent you a study about how like globally one in five young people now identifies non cis Non cis or like queer as queer because queer just kind of means whatever. Yeah

Yeah, it just means they don't want to be heteronormative because there's like negative associations with it. Yeah and So it's probably more like one in 10 Are truly queer. Yeah, which is probably kind of standard throughout history and time. I mean Yeah, I just that's just very ambiguous terminology Yeah, but there's something I think people are trying to kind of like drum up Uh more fanfare for this like so-called gender revolution and again, you have to like look under Under its skirt or whatever. They're quote not straight. Yeah, okay

Which means the half of them are bisexual, which doesn't count Conducted in 27 count countries also found that 4 of those in gen z identify as transgender and non-binary 4% trans But one in five Not straight. Yeah Which seems like the this survey seems flawed. It does. Yeah, because methodologically are you straight feels like a loaded question That I feel like

A lot of people who probably mostly are would say no to just because Yeah There's also tremendous pressure amongst gen z to be like progressive around stuff like this Yeah, they're gonna start um denying their white pretty soon the white ones. It'll be great They're gonna be like one in five white people are not white I mean, yeah, we're gonna have like the era of like transracialism Transclassism, um, that'll be nice. Yeah, that'll be cool when we can just manifest Our wealth. Yeah

I feel like young people in general are probably just more sexually experimental Definitely you're more Saddled with debt I'll check in with gen z in like 20 years and see where they're at. Oh, I thought you you were gonna say in 20 minutes when you're on the discord What did you guys what is so what did you guys think? How do you hello fellow kids? Yeah, like a skateboard like a supreme skating slung over your shoulder. How do you access a discord? It's like an app. You have to get invited and it's like it's an app. Yeah, okay, cool But don't worry about it. Don't invite me, please. Don't sometimes they speculate that you might be on there

And yeah, it is definitely not on here. I'm like, I reverse psychology. Yeah, I just like Go and look should look sometimes. Yeah, I can't I mean, they're pretty sweet. It's not like the the I mean the reddit even is fine now It's like expanded beyond the confines of the podcast. I feel like yeah, it's like its own thing that we're not culpable for Yeah Cool Well, I no longer have to feel guilty for a dog whistling to racists and misogynists Do you see you in hell?