Red Scare - #StopSlavicSlander

Episode Date: October 1, 2022

The ladies discuss the Iran protests, the Italian elections, Andrea Long Chu on the mixed Asian protagonist, and Adam Levine

We went there, another exciting dock here on Redskip. I really actually have no idea what we're talking about, went in one ear and out the other. We're both tired. I was like soliciting group chats for, I was like, what's going on in the news? I was like, something happened in Iran? Do you know what happened in Iran? Yes, some sexy hijabi was apprehended by the morality police and died mysteriously in their custody. And the authorities are claiming that it was natural causes and she had a seizure and her family is saying, no, no, no, they're calling bullshit because they claim that she had no pre-existing health issues and they suspect that she was beaten in custody.

Because she wasn't wearing the hijab? Because she was sagging it off of her head or not wearing it at all. So they really got to wear the hijab over there. And then there's also a related case of two lesbian activists who just received the death penalty. They're not messing around in Iran. So there's been like weeks of protests now. Right. Because they don't want to wear the hijab.

They don't know. Who would? Some of them do. I don't know. I mean, who would? I mean, they can't all not want to wear it. Some of them do and some of them don't, but the younger, hotter, western-leaning ones who want to quote, look smacks, resent having to jab up. Right. You know, you don't pay thousands of dollars.

What's the currency in Iran? Bro. I didn't even know you were supposed to work a job over there. Yeah, you don't pay all that money to get a nose job only to like have to veil the accoutrement. Yeah, they can show their face, but they have to like, they don't have to go full hog. Where do they do full Nekab in Afghanistan? Afghanistan, the Gulf States probably. I think you can jab in the Gulf States, but we're do full ninja gear.

I get a lot of Muslim influencers in my explore. Yeah, on my like East Christian alt Instagram. It's interesting. Yeah, sometimes I guess. It seems kind of counter Islamic to be an Instagram influencer. What was that thing in the Quran about? Well, they all do the whole Nekab. They like post about different styles of veiling that they like and like,

it's like hijab tutorials because there's different types of ways to do the headwear. The ones I see are full like Burqa mode and they make a lot of kind of funny tech talks about how like nice it is that like they don't have to have a job. Yeah, they have their own like, yeah, humor. They have to project a man, hijab, but don't have jobs. But they had to get the job. One of the funniest things about the protests in Iran is that it's all these girls like ripping off their hijabs having their like 1968 bra burning moment,

but they're all wearing COVID masks. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, okay, go off girl. And I saw some like Muslim blue check girl talking about how it was like the patriarchy that makes you not wear a hijab, but also the patriarchy that makes you wear a hijab. So like, which one is it? They can't really decide if they can reconcile.

The hat is good or bad. You know, and the hijab is really a kind of hat. Let's be honest. All this is fuss is really about headwear, headwear, headgear. And if it's, yeah, empowering or not, they should be forced to wear like a retainer to like some Invisalign. So it's extra pornographic. Oh, who do you think blew up the that oil pipeline?

The the Nord Stream, I heard that and I was like, the Nord Stream pipeline, that's when it goes from the Nord Stream website to the Nord Stream rack website. And I scoop it up at a 40% discount. Who blew it up? I don't know. I've heard conflicting theories. Let's face it. We're not going to get to the bottom of this on this podcast, but I've heard theories

that it's the Russians doing nonlinear. Yeah, doing nonlinear warfare in the guise of sabotaging themselves or that it's the kind of American deep state, asserting the hegemony of the American empire. So this pipeline is underwater because I saw a picture and we're going to need Nicolo to come up in here and we'll shelve that until I heard it doesn't even fuck over Russia and fucks over Germany. Yeah. So it isn't but.

Well, because Germany is like the pay pig of Russia. Where's the water? Because they're dependent on. The oil. Of course. Yeah. This I understand. I know about I know about kind of what's going on.

I love Germany. They're like doing like paying lip service to Ukraine but are ultimately yoked to Russia. Yeah. What has become of that great nation? Six million dead so y'all can promote Turkish migrants and open relationships. Come on now. And like female priests. Yeah.

LGBT Catholicism. Yeah. What became of that great nation? New girl boss elected in Italy. Oh yeah. And Georgia Miloni. Georgia Miloni with a nice Miloni. Who is I guess part of the brothers of Italy.

I love Italian political party names. Forza Italia. La Lega. So many. Brothers of Italy but they all have like really kind of sexy dangerous sounding. Brothers of Italy. Brothers of Italy. I don't want to be the brothers of Italy.

But yeah, she's a spicy little firebrand. A spicy little meatball. Yeah. Who won? She's a tiftelka. She's completely unhinged clearly but she's just Italian. She has that kind of like. I mean, yeah, but every, I mean, I say that, you know, with the idea of being every politician

is, you know, messed up. So it's being Italians not helping. Yeah. I, they are very like flamboyant. Yeah. And have a flair for demagoguery and oration, you know. Yeah. I watched the speech that was making the rounds.

Yes. Which is from 2019. I didn't realize that. Yeah. It's not like a new speech. I think a lot of people were under the impression that it was like an acceptance speech. Right. Some people really liked the speech.

Other people thought it had some fascistic tones. Brothers of Italy, I guess was Mussolini's party, which as Michael Tracy said, we made an excellent point, you know, it is a little nonsensical to like tie contemporary political parties to their like previous affiliations because the Democrats would have been total like Republicans segregationist. Yeah. Yeah. Historic.

You know, it's like you don't, we don't do that here. So why are we casting stones on, but also they've got mad political parties over there in Europe. Yeah. In Italy. Yeah. It's like, there's like five, like I, when you look at the graphs of like, I'm like, whoa, there's like, they have, it's more, it feels more democratic.

Because they're dramatic and combative and they can't like commit to one. They have some like fraternal conflict and then like start a splinter group that becomes its own political party. But it must be nice to have the options. You know, over here we got Democrats, Republicans. Independence. It's not a real option. Yeah.

You know. Yeah. It's great. And I love their political ads in Europe in general, not just Italy that are very like no frills. It's just people wearing like sweat stained shirts at like a kind of like passport office backdrop. But, um, yeah, I mean, I've, I saw a lot of people talking about like how inspiring

and, um, galvanizing this Maloney speech was like, we're so back. And a lot of people likening her to Trump. She's no Trump, honey. She absolutely not. Come on. I do appreciate, I watched this, this speech. It was like 20 minutes long. I do appreciate her.

She was a real red scare politician because she was trying to do some like, um, pick the meatic banter. And being a total pick me. Yes. Yeah. She was like, I was just doing the ironing. I'm sorry. I'm late.

I had to find 10 minutes in my schedule to talk about politics with you. The crowd. Go out. They did. They went wild. Yeah. She certainly has a lot of popular support. Um, and she has those, uh, sexy hyperthyroid Sampaku eyes, like a Volpina in Amar Kord

or a Giulietta Mazzina in, uh, the Knights of Kiberia. She sure does. And she wears like thick, sparkly, like liquid eyeliner that I also really makes it makes her eyes pop. Um, um, and yeah, after her when there was the. The subsequent kind of media cycle of hysteria about the far right taking control in, in Italy that this woman is, uh, fascist, which I thought we were going to stop throwing that term around.

Yeah. Um, but I see how yes, some of her like, she's just Italian. She's all, once again, just Italian. They're all kind of fascist, but it's in there. It's their culture. I'm a little disappointed. I think she could be more fascist personally between us girls. I'm the thing that bugs me out about like the, uh, American commentary on the selection

is like, do American pundits really think that Georgia Maloney is more dangerous than your average centrist politician? Come on now. Because she's pro life. Yeah. And anti-immigration, which is, I don't know, not that radically of a right position to me, especially in Italy. Yeah.

You know, it's, let's, let's do a little cultural relativism here, people. Yeah. I mean, I was up in the, I retweeted Glenn who was quote tweeting Michael Tracy. I bet you Glenn's excited about Georgia Maloney. He probably is. Yeah. And then someone jumped into my DMs and was like, why are you going to bat for Glenn? Like, why are you defending this fascist?

You're going to alienate a lot of your listeners, blah, blah. I'm like frantically reading like, like what is going on in Italy? Because first of all, does the Nord Stream pipeline go through Italy? Yeah. I'm like, okay. Like what are her actual, yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm like, what are her actual policies then? Who cares about policy?

I'm like, you dare challenge me to a debate? A person who, well, first of all, whatever Glenn Greenwald thinks, I think. Yes. Period. Yeah. Okay. Because Glenn is way smarter than me, knows what's going on way more than me, is super brave.

Uh huh. Like doesn't have any incentive to really lie, you know, has been pretty steadfast. I think he's a pretty solid figure. Yeah. He does hate libtards though. He hates libtards. He likes owning the libs. He likes to own the libs.

So what? He derives not a small amount of pleasure and joy from owning the libs. Hey. But don't we all. What's so wrong with that? Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, Glenn isn't defending her politics.

He's defending her right to democratic rule. Uh huh. And the people of Italy have been dissatisfied for two decades. I'm like saying, I'm like, I don't know what the fuck. I'm like, funny how democracy works. I'm like, they chose her. Yeah. Well, they did.

The Italians. I mean, they did. Yeah. They did. Their, their birth rate is bottoming out. They have like entire historic medieval villages that are like overrun by like sub-Saharan migrants. Of course they mad.

And how, my question is this, why is it okay when Japan or Israel does it? Why? Why? Cause one is Kauai and the other one controls everything. And we're not saying which one is which. Yeah. Why can't you, as an Italian, want to preserve your Italian heritage and prevent your country from becoming less Italian?

Yes. The Japanese get a major ethno-nationalist path. Everyone is charmed by it. Yeah. And that they're most, even they're like most benign kind of cultural output. Marie Kondo is like a fascist. And I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say that like the pro-immigration argument makes way less sense in small homogenous countries like Italy and Sweden than it does in America

with its civil religion of cultural and ethnic assimilation. Right. You can make a better case for like whatever Maddie Iglesias, one million, like one billion immigrants in America than you can anywhere else. I don't know what Maddie Iglesias is all about at all. I don't know if he's left wing or right wing. I like don't know. He's just, he's just a Steve Saylor simp.

Oh. Though he pretends to be his like biggest critic or he pretends to just be ignorant of him in general. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't see that in my replies. The arc of the moral universe is long and it bends towards Saylor.

Amen, sister. But I'm okay. I said that, not me. Imagine if people were like up in arms about Japan having to take in migrants, right? Like nobody would take that position. It would be, you'd be a fool to Japanese people are so lucky because they're, they have a perfect culture. They're, they're cute and unassuming, have a perfect culture and are like demographically

correct because they're non-white so they can get away with anything. But there's not, yeah, there's not even any non-white backlash against because it's an island because it's so remote. Yeah. So yeah, it is so distinctly Japanese. Yeah. But Italy is Italian too, you know. Italy is arguably like the most cultural culture of all the European cultures and they have

like France next door giving them a run for their money. They invented culture for better or for worse. They did. Yeah. I mean, you could make the case that like the Greeks invented Western culture as such. This is like a contestable hypothesis that many academics squabble over, but Italy very, very much perfected it. They did.

Yeah. That I think is, is clear. Yeah. What did they say? The Greeks invented sex. And the Italians made it straight. They made it gay. No, because the Greeks were gay and the Italians also were gay.

They're all gay. Yeah. But one of them came up with having sex with women. One of them invented it. Yeah. So, but yeah, I also think they're, they can't really, they're not going to do a real fascism in Italy. They're too lazy.

No. They take siesta for like, they shutter all the shops during the middle of the day and on Sundays so they could go home and like beat their wives. We don't have to worry about. Yeah. We really don't have to worry about actually occurring fascism and what a shame that is. Yeah. May you live in spicy times and everybody, I mean, everybody, both the supporters and

the critics of fascism desperately crave a situation where somebody rises up to contest American hegemony. Even the people who believe in American hegemony. And I'm even like one of those people because I live in America and it's in my best interest for America to like prosper and persevere. However. Yeah. But even the people.

We're also fat ass migrants. Yeah. We are. So I can't, I can't really speak on the issue. We're like, we're like, well, I'm like a brain drain migrant, not a life raft migrant. I'm, you're a little bit of, I'm a little bit of, yeah, I'm a mix. Yeah. I, yeah.

I, we didn't have full refugee status. Yeah. If things had gone a little differently, we might have. What was I on about? Something about fascism. Oh yeah. And even like the lovers of American hegemony want somebody to like a formidable foe to rise up and contest it.

Like we, we all want Putin to be that guy, even though it looks like it's not really going to happen because in this day and age, like I said, in 2022, nobody wins wars and nobody loses wars except for the Armenians, except for the Armenians, yeah. But just for, for there to be like some kind of like shattering of like the dull and boring global consensus for something to happen. I think, yeah, that's true. I feel intuitively, instinctively like it's true. I mean, people, people getting up and arms over Georgia Maloney, yeah, who's basic.

I mean, she, first of all, she's like pretty cozy with the West from what I understand with America. She's pro-nado. Yeah. She's pro-Ukraine. She does hate Brussels. Yeah. She's, um, I read something she said about Brussels, let me find it, um, in the, yeah,

she once called Brussels bureaucrats agents of nihilistic global elites driven by international finance. I mean, who was in these things? But this was years ago. And now that she's actually in a, in a position of power, I'm sure she's going to be playing nice with the EU and Brussels and everything. That's the thing ultimately is the hegemony is, it's hard to, it's hard to really break that glass ceiling, you know?

Yeah. It's hard to make any sort of like change. The best you can do in this day and age is basically gain minor concessions for your people. I trust, I hope that she's like a pragmatist and utilitarian and that's like what she's doing. Um, somebody was saying that, um, she, uh, has like a basically Anglo-American mindset and would rather be in the American orbit, kind of like thatcher, um, because they were

hypothesizing that in Washington, people have like a fairly romantic view of Italy. And so that Italy would get like a loose leash, whereas in Brussels, they're, they have like a more open disdain. They are nihilists. For Italy. In Brussels. Yeah. They don't, they know nothing of the spice of life the way the Italians do.

I mean, we have Italy here. We do have Italy. I'm going to take over Italy. I'm going to be the Georgia Maloney of Italy. Like only white people get the hazelnut truffles and focaccia breads. I mean, who else is going up in there and show your papers? Um, uh, yeah, I'm, I just shouldn't be chiming in on this. I just want to, you know, I'm like, that's why I'm kind of like whatever Glenn says.

Yeah. On ironically, I'm kind of like Glenn's right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think like just like because I'm a professional contrarian, I feel obliged to chime in. And when I saw all these people waxing poetic and rhapsodizing over this like remarkable watershed speech, which by the way is like two years old, I was like, I mean, I like

the speech. She's not wrong. She hits a lot of the talking points, but it's also like, you know, you're preaching to the choir, sis. We all agree. Well, did you see, cause in the speech, she talks about how the family basically or the portions I saw, I didn't watch the full 20 minutes, but she talks about how the family is under attack.

Um, the, the nihilistic bureaucrats who manage the international financial interests are basically trying to like, um, flatten up. She had this, it was like, had a vaguely like anti-consumerist thing. She said, I'm not allowed to be a woman in Italian, a Christian above being a slave for financial speculators. I mean, okay. So what? Am I male?

Everybody knows that the two biggest issues are demographic and nature. It's like birth rates and immigration and all too often birth rates are used as a justification, a means of justifying immigration, like unchecked immigration to countries that don't want it. Well in Europe, especially where these countries do have very like distinct ethnic identities unlike in the United States, I think a lot of this stuff happening with immigration is and has always been basically like political theater. Like Martha's Vineyard is like a good example. I'm still laughing at that.

It's a new reality show about some members of MS-13 who become nannies. That could be sweet. That could be heartwarming actually. I know. I'm pitching that to 824. Hey, I'm going to do for Carlos Mencia what Tarantino did for John Travolta and Samuel Al Jackson. I'm going to revive his whole ass career.

Okay. He has to get a neck tattoo. The reality is it's like migrants get shuttled around all the time. This was like a very like pointed political troll on DeSantis' part, but like this isn't actually like that uncommon of a practice. Or like inhumane, you could say it is or whatever, but probably more humane than what Venezuela is like. I would guess or why would they?

Is it that inhumane at the end of the day? I mean, it's not the best thing, but it's not the worst thing. They're not being thrown into a mass grave. That's the thing. Yeah. It's like you got to really keep it in perspective. By their like political opponents or whatever. And also like that, that's also a red herring talk about like amnesty.

It's like, let's be real. It's like, let's be honest, I sympathize with the plight of migrants, but they're moving around in part because primarily because they're searching for jobs and livelihoods not because they need political amnesty. Yeah, but that's, you know, a refugee categorically also, you know, includes economic circumstances. Sure. You know? Sure.

That's a goal for you to live where you do. And I think America could accommodate migrants and, you know, it's like, it's not America's an experiment. It's not going that great. Like, why not? Like, but yeah, places like France and Italy, there's literally like a very distinct like cultural clash where people don't assimilate there. Like if you look at the example of Muslims, right, they assimilate very well in America.

They don't assimilate all that well in like France or Sweden or Italy. They have all those Bon Lus, I don't know how to pronounce that word, like the ghettos and the outskirts of Paris. Oh, yeah. Or like Algerian guys. Yeah, Tunisians, whatever. Yeah, it just to me just feels a little unreasonable to expect those countries to be making those kinds of accommodations, even more so than in America, where mostly the like, yeah, the

discourse around immigrants is, it's very, it's very theatrical. It's very like kids in AOC, crying all the kids in cages and then like sanctuary cities, you know, it's everything's very like conceptual. Right. And there's, it's hard to really make the case that there is like an active cultural clash the way that you could in Italy. Who's that Mexican artist? Frida Kahlo.

No, no. Who hires like Carlos Mencia. No, no, no, fuck, I'm blanking, Eli knows this, Eli, the Mexican artist who hires laborers to do like pointless and stupid tasks like carry cinder blocks from one corner of a gallery to the other corner or like build a wall and then take it back down. He's like a conceptual artist. Rider rips. Yes.

He did some things. Jordan Wolfson, that's, that's, um, yeah, he did. He did do that. He hired that expert off-course list to like make some drawings and I'm like looking up Mexican artist laborers and just getting a bunch of like Diego Rivera's murals, like public works. Good luck with that. But that's what like immigration theater is like in the United States.

They just hire like a wagon load of Mexicans. They're not even Mexicans. They're all like Venezuelans and El Salvadorans. Right. Cause like immigration for Mexico has also bottomed out for the most part. Cause it's like better in Mexico than it is here. In the upscale Condesa neighborhood, uh, where a studio apartment goes for a mere $300,000 for reals and for reals, but they have a lot of earthquakes.

So just saying. All right. Well, I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to no Mexico. I want to move to Mexico city so bad, not move permanently, but like buy a little peditaire so I can gallivant with my Mexican gallerist friends, bet, bet you fed in that and shout out to them. Okay. I'll come visit.

Yeah. Um, oh my God, you know, I just found out about this guy apparently he's super famous. Have you? Okay. I mean, everyone's heard about Neil deGrasse Tyson. Wait, you just found out. Yeah. I just found out about this guy.

That guy is like black Eric Weinstein. He's like Blaric Weinstein. Matthew was like put on like a video of him and I was like, who is this delightful man with the deep voice talking about the stars? And he was like, that's Neil deGrasse Tyson. He's like a scientist. You've obviously heard of this. He said everyone, people don't really like him cause he's a bit of a blow hard.

Yeah, he's, he's a little bit of a, of a windbag and people like to make fun of him on the internet because guys like that who are, um, I thought he was sweet. Oh yeah. Guys like that who are like, um, highly credentialed scientists probably should just like not have a platform on Twitter. Yeah. Cause they'd be putting they foot in their mouths. Just kidding.

Neil deGrasse Tyson does not talk like that. No, no, he's very, he's very regal. Um, I, I don't know. I wasn't really listening to anything he was saying, but I liked the affect and the sort of, you know, I have a personal reason to not like Neil deGrasse Tyson, um, which is that, uh, has nothing to do with his politics or ideology or anything he says on Twitter. It just, he reminds me a lot of this guy that I used to live with, uh, interesting in a non-sexual purely platonic manner, a black guy who was my roommate in Bushwick after

I broke up with Tim and in fact, Tim's former bandmate, and we had a really bad falling out and I haven't spoken to him since and I kind of like feel like one of the Ikea chairs back. No, that's the founder of vine. Fuck that guy. He's a Turk too. And a German. Boo.

Yeah. Boo. All around. Maybe hooting and hollering out there. Wow. Okay. Iran finally had its George Floyd moment and now they know how we feel. What do you mean?

Cause there's tons of civil unrest. Yeah. There's civil unrest. There's police oppression. Right. Yeah. They're trying to do a revolution. Yeah.

It sucks. It's hard to be like a country like Iran or Belarus or Armenia, one of these kind of like have not countries trying to do a revolution because you're really stuck between a rock and a hard place. Uh-huh. Yeah. A rock and a prison where they beat you to death. Yeah.

I read an article today actually about Belarus. It wasn't Lukashenko, it was some like high up like military official there who said that they had had, they had, they'd been having meetings with Russia and that Belarus now has information that could destroy the United States of America. That's not going to happen. I just love when they flex like that, you know, like that's, um, when Lukashenko, yeah, like really when he says I might be a dictator, at least I'm not gay or something like that and see like, they really, they like, I'm like, no, you don't, I'm like, what do you

want? You go to wine bar and have tasteful banter with your GF, you are gay. Yeah. Like what intel did you guys get that you think you're going to take America down with? Yeah. Once again, as you said, I would love it. It's very, it's very sad to be, um, a resistance politician, like one of the last holdouts. Yeah.

Of like the old school model of the autocrat, I mean, Lukashenko. Yeah. Cause you're just like doomed. And even if you go out and like dignified in cinematic way, your country's doomed after you, like everything is just doomed. Yeah. You can only beat off those NATO dogs for so long or they crush you. It's just like a Gabriel Garcia and Marcus novel where everything is like rotting and

falling apart and you're like in your weird palace. That's also a prison. I've heard Minsk is, cause quite, I'm sure it's nice. I mean, Minsk used to be one of like, uh, the great cities of like the Russian empire. The impression I get of like, in spite of all of the like opposition activism and civil unrest is that it's still like a pretty, uh, it's a very clean and safe city besides the police. There's no vagrants or minorities on the streets giving people a hard time except for the,

the Roma. Oh, the Rome. Did you know that Charlie Chaplin was part Roma? No. I didn't know that, but that doesn't surprise me. Um, off topic, yeah, my literal favorite living filmmaker, Carlos Suara, is on Criterion Collection and he was married to Geraldine Chaplin, the daughter of Charlie Chaplin and UNO Neil, his like 19 year old child bride, daughter of Eugene O'Neill.

And she's like also my favorite living actress. I saw you post yeah, and throwing some shade at Julianne Moore once again, sorry, which just watch safe. I will. I will. I will. I will. I will.

I will. I will. One thing. Yeah. She's, she's my favorite living actress and you're my second favorite living actress. Oh, thank you. Thank you. So my second friend is my third.

Who's Margaret Carson? She's a fast pender girl. Oh, she's so great. She was alive. She's alive and apparently she's on pills and I have on good authority from a friend of mine who like photographed her that she like beats her, her servants, her like team and it's like beats. She's like physically and verbally abusive.

She's like probably in her nineties. Yeah. But that's so cool. They should be so lucky. Yeah, she's like a diva. But Geraldine Chaplin is such a fantastic actress, and she is the muse of Sara, I don't know how to pronounce his name.

I forgot where I was going with this, but... What were we talking about? Something of anti-fascist filmmaking or something like that. It wasn't that. Oh, Roma's, Gypsies. Yes, Gypsies. Oh yeah, how clean the streets are,

except for the Romanes. The Gypsies. Yeah, well, we got the DNA test results. No Gypsies. Not a droplet. Nothing. Nothing. And now more is being revealed to me

through my... Because I don't know. I don't know why it's so... Actually, we're going to talk about this, Andrea Longchu, a piece about being Asian-American. And at first, when I was reading it, I was kind of annoyed. And then she was making some intriguing points. And then I was kind of like,

well, you're obsessed with what you want answers. Cause all my grandparents, basically, or three out of four of them, I think were orphaned or brain damaged in World War II. So like... Yeah, many such cases. The book really stops there.

Like I have no idea, which is why this, my genetic journey has been such a source of intrigue for me. But... I sent the raw data to this man who you've met. Yes. Rizip Khan. Shout out to Rizip Khan.

He was very helpful. He sent me many charts that I couldn't really make sense of, but then sort of interpreted them for me. And it's looking like I am just a Belarusian as hell. Yeah. And I asked him, I was like, well, isn't that being Belarusian

kind of a dubious ethnic category the way, you know, like... Because on my, in my ancestry results, it was sort of like, I was Russian and Eastern European with like a subcategory of Ukrainian and Belarusian, which is like a huge swath of the world that doesn't really, you know, give me any information. And he told me that because...

Like generic slob. Basically, yeah. But because they don't have any Belarusian people in their like DNA pool, it skews Ukrainian. And on his, with his data sets, where he kind of mapped me genetically, I am basically exactly where Belarus is geographically.

Like I'm like a tiny bit Lithuanian, a tiny bit Ukrainian, a tiny bit Russian, but primarily really, really clustered actually in Belarus. Well, yeah, that's the problem with all these DNA tests is that they just like, they just tell you, they're fundamentally unexciting and disappointing because they literally just tell you

what you already kind of suspected. Yeah. Well, I was, I don't know. I was surprised that Belarusian was such a like discrete genetic identity even, you know? Right. Because I, the impression of its history is that it's just a real kind of like

Slavic melting pot of different kinds of like potato pagans. Well, they say this about Ukraine too. This is how we win the war in Ukraine. Every Ukrainian spits in a cup and sends their results to ancestry.com or 23andMe. Yes. And then they get a unique genetic profile, the raw data analyzed by Razeeb Khan

to prove that in fact, Ukrainians are their own nation and they're not merely sidekick slobs of Russia who should be demographically absorbed. Well, they are. Razeeb also told me that they did not less even than Belarusians and Poles didn't intermix as much.

So Ukrainians are of that Slavic very specific actually. Cause I was, I was kind of like, with the war, I was like, we're all slobs here. Like why are we, boys, boys, boys, where are we fighting? Where's the slob on slob violence? Like this is unbearable. And then, you know, somewhere inside of myself,

I was like, they're just Russian. Like we're all just Russian, right? Wrong. They're their own thing. Yeah, the Western Ukrainians are. I remember my mom, Blyin, you are what you eat and they eat pig ears and pig feet. And the Belarusians are their own thing too.

Yeah, they are, yeah. I really didn't. I really thought they were just kind of like. The slaves of the slobs also according to my mom. According, yeah. So I cannot. But she's a hater so. Yeah, I hang my head low because I have less

Lithuanian ancestry than I thought. And I mean, I was surprised that I wasn't Polish at all. Because I was under the impression that my maternal grandmother was just Polish. Yeah, I was really holding out for like something exciting like Tatar, Ashkenazi. I know, I remote that. And what did your dad say?

I wanted some French. He said, well, I was hoping for Italy or France. I was like, why would you be hoping for that? It would be so sick if I was Japanese. I'd be so vindicated in my weeaboo identity if my DNA test results came back. And I was like, you're Japanese. Dasha, get over there.

What are you doing? They made a horrible mistake and you got to get back to Japan. You have to become a K-pop star, but like one of the Japanese ones. I must, a J-pop star. I must. It's all in the data set here, I see. I'm like, we give you triple island surgery.

They make my eyes. Discover islands you never knew you had. They make my eyes less Asian and then more Asian again. Well, Razeeb was very, he was certain that I was going to have some East Asian ancestry, but not a drop. Well, I mean, this is very hard for me to believe. I think that it's kind of going incognito, because I think all of us people who are from the Western

territories of Russia have some Asian ancestry that's residual. I'm sure Russians in the East have much more. I saw a really funny meme back in 2016 that was like three kind of like vaguely Asian looking guys who got progressively more Asian looking. And it was like 30% Asian, 70% Asian, 110% Asian, because the last guy was like a real bloated alcoholic,

like Yeltsin faced. But yeah, I mean, the some people in the Russians really be having like some 10% to 50% Asiatic ancestry. But in Eastern Europe, those numbers really do diminish. They do diminish, but it's very hard for me to believe that there's not some Asian influence. And with that, we can probably segue into Andrea Long Chu's piece.

But it's very hard for me to believe, because like the area that my grandmother was from, my maternal grandmother, Smanyansk, is part of old like Kevan Roos. She looked dead ass Asian, like black hair, Asian eyes. And like I said, the kid has the little Mongol bruise. What do you make of that? My mom looked Asian.

I'm the only one who didn't, because clearly the Armenian genes dominated, like, you know, typically. But like. Well, obviously, I am Asiatic, but. We're like Slavic hotubs. Kind of, I am, I kind of am. We was cons. Yeah, I'm like, it's not.

But the numbers are not adding up. We was J. Caspian cam. Well, I, yeah, I'm, I am going to lean into the Lithuanian a bit, because that's the most noble. Yeah, I think that you should like opportunistically ring as much. I was Lithuanian back in the Commonwealth. My leg as you can from that.

Yeah. People don't understand. I was noble. I've fallen on hard, hard times. Yeah. Oh, yeah, so Andrea Longchoo wrote a piece in the new issue of New York magazine, which seems to be Asian-themed. Oh, is it?

Yeah. I think there's, they're kind of doing an Asian. The cover has like an illustration of like. An auto guide. Sorry. No, no. But is Andrea Longchoo Asian? I thought she was.

I thought she was stealing both Wham and Valor and Asian Valor, but. Unclear. Unclear. Because Chew, what else would that be? I don't know. But that reminds me of back in the day when I was a child in Moscow, I remember vividly.

It was like a, this is like a weird Proustian Madeline, my uncle used to breed chows. Wow, very interesting. Freud had chows. Yeah. And I have like a vivid memory of like standing, like I was about the height of the chow and feel like running my fingers through their fur.

Ooh. Yeah. Sabaka. Yeah, sabaka. Yeah, this is the cover. The illustration is called, I am not the kung flu. More like bitch, you live like this. I see, bitch, yeah.

And it's, yeah, it's, there's a lot going on. It hasn't been the kung flu for two years. What are you talking about? Wow. Anyway. Yeah. They did, as I did, an Asian themed issue. And Andrea Longchoo wrote an article called The Mixed Metaphor,

which was sort of a literary review of a book called Our Missing Hearts. It kind of juxtaposed by another book by a man named J. Caspian Kang called The Loneliest Americans that both feature half Asian protagonists, but address their kind of placement within the social racial hierarchy of America in different, in very different ways was my takeaway.

Obviously, I'm not going to read other of these books. They sound gay. I'm sorry. They might be good. But yeah, The Our Missing Hearts by Celeste. Oh, I don't know how to pronounce that name. No, it's actually, it's not pronounced like how you would think of it. It's like New Yen, which is actually pronounced to win.

Yeah, yeah, I think it's, yeah, so sorry. But The Our Missing Hearts sort of takes place in a dystopian near future where anti-Asian hatred is hyperbolic sort of to the level of like Japanese internment camps. Maybe that's why actually, maybe that's why Japan and Israel get the pass, the camps. And we dropped a nuke on them. So two nukes, so we don't have room to talk.

Well, the Japanese have the good sense to say face. The Jews have the ADL, their whole little lobby that makes the Holocaust the singular and primary event of like ethnic oppression. That's basically birth the genre of ethno-narcissism. But anyway. Yeah, friend of the pod, and scientist Eva Perlman once told me actually,

because I was getting some blowback for the SSPIC for the thousands time or something, and she was like, I don't understand why people think it's anti-Semitic to like utilize Nazi imagery because when I see it, it just reminds me of the Holocaust, which I want people to be remembering all the time, you know, and that's like a point. It's like when you see a swastika,

it really hearkens back to the whole like justification for Israel to even exist. So in that way, it's like not anti-Semitic at all. Yeah, like in a practical sense. In a practical sense, yeah. It serves a pro-Semitic purpose. Yeah, yeah. I see what you're saying there.

It's like it's ostensibly a kind of hate. It is a hate symbol, obviously. But depending on the, like it can't just be a universal hate symbol. It has to depend on the context in which one uses it and just like alluding to or like showing that imagery that has pro-Semitic consequences. Yeah, I see what you're saying. You see what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. Sorry. Master's house, master's tour. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, but the Jews, I think we're really like the first ones in the United States to like violate the codes of the civil religion and sue for their group to have like special civil rights concessions essentially

because they were like, we had this like horrible event that was performed onto us or whatever. Systematically, yeah. And now blacks and Asians have taken up the mantle to varying degree. But the Asians are not, they're not going to, yeah, they can't. There's just so much incoherence in the Asian American stop Asian galvanization because Asians are really super racist.

They are. So they're not like exactly the best. Everyone's racist, first of all, but Asians in particular, I feel like that's like a major kind of a blind spot in the quest for any sort of racial reckoning. Yeah, they're far more racist than your average white American by like a long shot. I mean, I told you about my, you know, Lenny turns 18 months today.

He's a year and a half. Happy half birthday. My perfect and beautiful angel child. And I took him to the pediatrician for his annual checkup and we straight up like unprompted and unprovoked for me because believe it or not, in real life, I don't talk about politics or ideology like ever. Yeah.

I'm just like, hey, can I have a latte? He started doing like race realism with me. What did he say? Well, I told you what he said. He was like, you know, like everyone is created equal, but in certain school districts, it's a challenge for certain kids because there's a lot of bullying by which he meant in no uncertain terms that like the black kids beat up on the Asian kids.

Yeah. And the stop Asian hate. Yeah. Guess who's doing it? You know, yeah. I don't know. I'd really like to see some stats on white people. Yeah.

The idea, the ridiculous idea that when stop Asian hate started, I mean, we talked about it. I'm sure that there was like, and obviously there was that like horrible massage parlor shooting. There are like incidents, but that like Donald Trump's invoking the kung flu or the China virus was somehow contributing to Asian hate crimes when really it was like crimes in general were on the rise and Asian people are the casualties of any rise in crime.

Yeah. Like Trump's inflammatory verbiage inspired legions of black teens to beat up old Chinese ladies. Or like narcarts. Yeah. Or like a traumatized like Haitian immigrant to like beat an Asian woman in her stairwell. Yeah.

I don't know. And it was because Trump said kung flu. Yeah. A kung flu panda. Give me a break. Yeah. No, it doesn't it doesn't add up. And yeah, and it's funny because like this this article,

the Andrea Lung Chui article was super interesting because it was like reviewing ostensibly this book by this woman that features a mixed race, half white half Asian protagonist, who I guess is suffering an identity crisis. Yeah. Because you know, it's like, as Charles Mingus said, right famous black Joe's man Charles Mingus who was of mixed race. He had that quote where he was like, you know, I wasn't like black enough for the black kids and I wasn't white enough for the white kids.

So I hung out with like the Asians and the Jews. Mm hmm. I think that's what he said. I'm going to need it. Yeah. But this book is clearly one of these like McNally jacks and like staff tables journeys of ethno narcissism. And Andrea Lung Chui accomplishes a really impressive feat,

which is overtaking the tremendous ethno narcissism of this book with her own gender narcissism. Impressive. Yeah. And it's just like there's so many layers of narcissism. It's like a burrito or whatever. Yeah. There's a quote that I will read actually.

Mm hmm. For Jay Caspian Kang, Asian American identity is a fantasy created by striving Asian professionals eager to reap the spoils of full whiteness while hiding behind a relatively mild disorganized form of oppression that pales literally in the face of the systemic violence visited on black Americans. There are still only two races in America, black and white. He declares everyone else is part of a demographic group headed in one direction or the other.

What interests me here is not Kang's argument per se. He is not the most persuasive writer on the subject, only the loudest, but rather the fact. Never heard of him. Mm hmm. Well, I have a comment on that, but rather the fact that both he and, how do you pronounce this name, the NG name? Yoon.

That both he and Yoon, arguably two of the most prominent Asian American authors working today, end up placing their ideas on the shoulders of a mixed race child. I have to say that Andrea Longchoo is a liar and obscurantist who hides behind the stylishness of her prose. Mm hmm. And what she does to Jay Caspian Kang is the same thing that she did to Ray Blanchard, who is like the chief researcher and clinician

on gender disorders, transgender, he coined the term auto-gynophilia. Auto-gynophilia. In her book, which we reviewed, she did a very, I think, sneaky and shameful sleight of hand where she basically accepted his terminology, whole cloth, accepted the term and concept of auto-gynophilia, but then libeled him as like a bigot and a monster and a transphobe. And she does the same thing with Jay Caspian Kang, who I don't know much about, I haven't read.

He's probably a lot like milder and less offensive than she makes him out to be by claiming he's like the loudest, whatever. He's a straight male, angry, whatever. But she also accepts his framework and his terminology. Mm hmm. I mean, not all of it. She disputes some of it, but she accepts that at the core of being a mixed-race person is like an identity crisis.

Right. And in doing so, she literally, she's projecting her own gender identity crisis on this racial identity crisis matter. And that's literally all of her writing in a nutshell. Right. And there's only one monstrous person in this whole discourse, and it's her. Mm hmm.

I'm sorry. I have to say, I'm a little tipsy. It's okay. No, no, no, I do. I think you're making some points for sure. And I always give credit where it's due. I think Andrea Longchoo is a very talented and persuasive writer. Very much, yes.

Yeah. Always love to hear what she has to say. The book kind of came and went. Yeah. In retrospect, bit of bull. Yeah. Kind of ton of nonsense, but well-written and fun. Yeah, but it's a lot of these like very well-written,

stylistically compelling tangents that like on first impression, really kind of like floor you like ditty and style. And then on second impression, you realize they don't really add up or make sense. Mm hmm. And it's really in true AGP fashion all about her and her personal solipsism. Mm hmm. Well, she says, yeah, the sort of conclusion of the piece, she says, do people of Asian ancestry in this country want to be Asian-Americans?

Juxtaposing kind of Kang who kind of wants his mixed race child to assimilate more towards being like white or like mixed being of mixed race, half Asian, basically being functionally white. Um, the question is not why a mixed race person should get to qualify as Asian, despite, for instance, never having been bullied at school or attacked by a stranger. The question is why we cannot imagine any other way to be Asian, not just in a fallacy. Yeah.

Wait, say that again, what? The question is not why a mixed race person should get to qualify as Asian, despite never having been bullied at school or attacked. Okay. The question is why we cannot imagine any other way to be Asian. Yeah, but which is just, I mean, she makes illusions like the Joy Luck Club and other kind of like Asian American like best sellers throughout this piece. And I think there is very much in America a really distinct way to be Asian.

It comes through this like fetishization of food culture. There's nothing white libs love more than like David Chek, my grandma's kimchi recipe, the book or like the noodles that we, you know, they love that shit more than anyone. White libs. Yeah. White libs. Yeah.

Like the, the colorful and vibrant and flavorful like cuisine of the, of the Orient as. And it's, it's funny because like the attachment that these Asian Americans feel for it because it reminds them of their, you know, of their heritage. And that's, this is so like such a vital part of our, of our culture. Yeah. And it's, it's funny because like in contrast to your like average, Asian immigrant in America who's literally racist and doesn't give a fuck and goes about their own day.

Like quietly and law abidingly until they're like pushed out of the subway stairwell. Like some skits out vagrant. This whole class of McNally Jackson, Metrograph, creative director, like Stryver, sneakerhead Asians, they're literally always searching for racial adversity. And in fact, you almost detect like a sliver of resentment and envy for blacks because they have like a plausible claim to actual oppression and racism. Ditto actually, you know, you never see Japanese Americans really invoking internment camps.

Yeah. Because they don't give a fuck because the whole like America is a successful experiment in one very important sense because people literally just assimilate. Yeah. Yeah. I grew up in Middlesex County, New Jersey, one of the most diverse places in America. I think the demographics are similar to Queens. And after a couple of generations, like the kids that I grew up with,

were just like effectively American. Yeah. Well, she goes on to say, if there is one conclusion to be reached from the mixed Asian experience, it is this, people want race. They want race to win them something to tell them everything they were never told. They want friendship from it or sex or even love. And sometimes they just want to be something or to have something to be. I do not mean that Asian America will suddenly appear on the horizon tomorrow

if enough of us choose it tonight. Meaning she's Asian. You're talking about yourself, but not in the way you think. What I mean is that many people across the country, including many of us who are mixed, are already choosing it and it is enough for now to ask why. I mean, yeah, people want race. Of course they do. We love it.

People want difference. Yeah. And they're actually very tolerant of difference at the end of the day, as long as you don't like step on their toes. And like, honestly, what is race and ethnicity? It's literally ancestry.com. It is. That's what I'm really learning.

It's like the proximity of ancestry. And it's a bunch of numbers on a graph that I can barely read. And people think, oh, no, race isn't real. Gender isn't real. Like those two things are like some of the realest things that have ever existed. They're literally real. It's crazy to deny. I just, I hate being gaslit by people like, oh, this is like a social con.

Long chew isn't really making that that case. I think no, no, I don't think she is. But when people say that, I like start to lose my mind because I feel just, I feel gaslit. Yeah. Yeah. It ain't right. And there's another. How do you think I feel as a mixed race person?

Lithuanian, Ukrainian, Russian. It's like, I've got all these things stirring. There's all these different flavors of salt. There's a war in my mind. It's all like, and yes, mostly I am Belarusian, but even so, I'm Baltic. I'm, you know, it's just like all these, it's been a roller coaster for me to, you know, to get these DNA results. I know how these Asian Americans feel.

I wish I could reach out to, you know, I really wish I could find relativesonancestreet.com the way other people can. You can. Why not? I cannot because I don't have, because my, because. Wait, but you won't. Why not? I just don't have family.

Oh. My family is so small. Again. World War II. World War II and Dasha. Yeah, that's true. Like a quarter of Belarus was. Wiped out.

Wiped out. Well, but okay, but this is a whole premise of like all these 23andmeancestry.com sites is that you may find new family members that you never knew you had. And this, I, people have this experience. They find second cousins, but they, they. We found some cousins. We found some Rainbergs in Florida. Okay.

But you have each, each of my parents has one sibling, my grandparents, like my great grandparents shot dead in a ditch. You know, like there's nothing, like maybe they're out there, but they're not showing up. They're out there. They're just not showing up in the registries so far and honestly good for them. Good for them. You think they're out there.

You think I've got more family out there. Inevitably. I don't know. Come on. Of course you do. You have, you have certain at the very least you have like distant relatives. Scattered. Maybe.

I'm saying World War two made a real dent in the, I mean, it made it. And where's the Belarusian ADL? Well, you know, that's what Eugene be saying on the last episode. Do I get to go on birth, right? Yeah. I mean, okay. But that's, okay. But that's like my weird schism in being like, you know, part Armenian, part Ashkenazi,

right? Like I'm constantly at war with these two sides. Right. I told BAP because I said, I heard you called Armenians low IQ Jews on your podcast and he was typing up a storm because I, I think he was trying to think of a, some. I'm sorry. Please. And I said, no, no, no, I agree with you a hundred percent.

But, but of course I'm perennially conflicted and contrarian. Just look at my ethnic makeup. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. You can, you can never rest with this kind of you have to stay vigilant. Yeah. Because there might be a Turk coming around the corner waiting to be had you on behalf

of the state of Israel and the American deep state. You're like, yeah. I mean, I have to say, like Armenians are not my favorite people. I don't love them. I was raised in Armenia. This household. However, I take their side in any geopolitical conflict because at the end of the day they're my people.

What am I going to do? So true. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm really like, so it's up. But you know what's really real is like bones. Bones like the bones of the skeleton, like the skeletons, like the Catholics are obsessed with like bones as well.

Well, they have like St Peter's bones are buried under the Basilica. Like what are those things the Catholics have? Catacombs. Yeah. Yeah. I love catacombs. Bones are major for Christians and for everyone really because bones are really like like like when I think about the bones of my Belarusian ancestors.

You were dumped in a mass grave. Yeah, like that does- Connancy style. Basically that does feel real to me. Like I feel like my racial identity as a Belarusian person because I, there were these people before me whose bones are still somewhere. And they're in Belarus.

Well, okay, but this is like a thing people say to me all the time, like, oh, like, how can you glow pridefully about your, like, ethnic heritage when you're against identity politics? It's very identity politics for me, but not for thee. I'm not against identity politics when it's positive. I'm against identity politics when it's used to gaslight and emotionally terrorize other people into falsifying history. So when you have all these like newly arrived,

like Nigerian and Korean immigrants who, right, bitch and moan about the history, the legacy of racial oppression in America, you're not part of that. Your parents are lawyers and doctors. What are you talking about? And you have a book that's like on a table in some indie bookstore.

Give me a break, grow up. It's like when all the people, we were talking about this, it's when the queen died and everyone came out and drove to talk about like the legacy of colonialism. It's like, if it weren't for British colonialism, you wouldn't have an opportunity, a platform to sound off on Twitter.com. Yeah.

And I get it. And once again, I get it, I get it. Those people also have ancestors who also, yeah, were murdered. Slave traders or slave, you know, on some occasion, yeah, slave traders, but they, everyone has inherited, not everyone, but a lot of Jews weren't even in the camps, but people don't like to have it, whatever. I'm not gonna, I'm a survivor.

Because you didn't, you didn't even make it into a camp. I was sending dispatches from Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. I've been in America since the 19th century in the Schmatts train. My family owned slaves, like Larry David. Bernie Sanders, we're cousins. I forget the point I was making. I don't know. God, we've really, this one's really been off the rails.

Yeah. Should we talk about Adam Levine? Yeah. Oh, well, I was gonna say one, with the punchline really of Andrea Longchu's sort of like, mixed race, Asian-Americans want race. Yeah, I think it's very telling, yeah, of like, the real question is like, who gets race?

You know, like who gets to have- So true. Race. Yeah. And it's mixed race, Asian people who act in bad faith to like amplify their ethnic identity. Yeah. So like, get some kind of marginalized status

that they can capitalize on. That's who gets to have race. Yeah. It's for all of us to enjoy. We can all have a little ethno-narcissism as a treat. We can all have a little ethno-narcissism as a treat. Amen. Azerbaijan, probably shelling Armenia as we speak.

So I get my ethno-narcissism as a treat. And your people were thrown into mass graves and still have to play second fiddle to the Jews. So you get a little ethno-narcissism as a treat. They made a whole movie about that. And now the Ukrainians. What about them? Second fiddle.

To what? Belarusian second fiddle. Oh, to the Ukrainians, oh yeah. No one's- That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I don't get no fiddle. I don't get-

I say Ukrainians, I say Belarusians. They say Palestinians, I say Armenians. Why wouldn't you want to get with the first Christian nation? Just saying. What? Armenia, the first Christian nation. The first nation to officially accept Christianity as its national religion, yes.

Wow. Yes. Okay, nice. We are trailblazers. Yeah. Nice. Okay. So Adam Levine had some-

Rape somebody. Rape somebody, what do you do? No, he sent some suggestive DMs to some like model mayhem type of bitches. Summoner Stroh. That's her name. I'm gonna look her up. Yeah.

She's kind of hot. She looks like a call her daddy girl, not a red scare girl. Wow. Bahati Prince Blue on the other hand, South African. What's her name? Summoner? Adam Levine, be messing with these bitches

with weird ass names. Yeah, Bahati Prince Blue pregnant, right? Yes, third. Oh, Summoner Stroh, yeah. She looks kind of good. She looks good, I think she looks good. I'm into it. I bet those booty pics she was sending him

were nice. She took to TikTok. She's an influencer and a quote Insta model. And she shared a TikTok claiming that she had a year-long affair with him, complete with screenshots that show a sneak peek of their alleged online interactions. So when she says a fair, she means in the DMs or? That's hard to say, you know, I didn't really,

I was so besotted with Georgia Maloney, I didn't really get to the bottom of that one. I was busy researching the Nordstrom Pipeline. What's Bahati Prince Blue's race? She's South African. Ooh, Namibian. Namibian? What?

That's what it says. Oh, she's Namibian. She's a Namibian. Oh, so she's an African-American. She's an African-American model. So this, you're telling me this MF cheated on his African-American wife with some bimbo. Hmm, Mussolini but whoa, it's a woman now.

He did cheat on his Serena and Venus Williams as African-American wife with some Instagram hoe. He did. But actually he may have not cheated is the, I mean, okay, he exchanged like racy DMs, like incriminating whatever inappropriate DMs. I shouldn't be doing that. At his stat, like, I don't understand.

That's okay. I don't, okay. I have to say this. Are rich people okay? I don't love cheating, but people cheat. They do. As a celebrity of that stature, you should know, you have to be like Harvey Weinstein

have massage agents following people or like Leo DiCaprio making hoes sign NDAs. You don't even have to do all that. You can find a nice escort. Just be discreet. Yeah, there's. Is it too much to ask? Yeah.

People are gonna be mad at me for this one, but like, okay, cheating is one thing. It sucks. It's bad. It's immoral. It's not really a crime. However, It is, it's a sin if you're married.

It's a sin. In this case, I think the insult is even worse than the injury. Yes. Because getting your face rubbed into it or rubbed in it. Rubbed in it. Whatever they will rub.

All right. Tim Angelo told me a funny story of how they had like a Slovenian or Slovakian exchange student in upstate New York when he was a kid. And the other kids were bullying him when they were playing basketball. And he was like, In my country, if you talk to somebody like this,

they will rub you. And all the other boys were like, what? They'll rub you? Are you gay? Are you gay? No, they will rub you. The many humiliations of Slovak Americans endure in this country.

We have been silent too long. We need to start that campaign. Stop Slovak slander. Stop Slovak slander. That's nice. Please. They never will. It's the only group it's okay to be racist against

is Russians. We're white because we white, but it sucks. But that doesn't, come on. I'm going to do like a dime square like pop-up, but it's like stop Slovak slander. And a lot of like retarded creative directors and photographers and like editors will really get on board with that.

If I knew how to make an infographic, it'd be over for these hoes. What was that dime square infographic? Was that real? That was a parody. I can't tell these days. I'm old. That was real.

Yeah. That's a real campaign of dime squares being gentrified. And you need to support local businesses. Yeah. Of rocks in the food. Big wongs on Mott Street. You're going to want to go to a place where I see health rating.

Or else you are gentrifying this community, people. OK, wake up. If you're not getting food poisoning, you is a gentrifier. I'm like literally a gentrifier. You literally are. And a welfare queen. Yeah. But there's still, there are, it's not like as if,

I don't think any Chinese people have been displaced. I think maybe COVID, some businesses shuttered as they did everywhere. Wu's Wantan thrived. Excuse me. That was the only business that really popped off after they built that. It was straight up like China.

They built like a weird outdoor hut. Yeah, they were like the shed. In like under 24 hours. And I swear to God, I swear to God, they have some sort of like sweetheart deal with the local vagrants because they let them sleep in the shed. Smart. And then in the morning, they sweep it and mop it up.

The vagrants? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's nice. See? See? That's America.

It's what Jane Jacobs wanted for New York City. And Christopher Lash, all my heroes. That's what America is all about, is making it work. Exactly. It's Democratic pluralism, as Michael Lind says, who I will be introducing. I have to plug my little thing. I will be introducing Michael Lind tomorrow at the Angelica.

Well, today probably. Today, shit. Actually, the day after, because I'm probably not even going to put this up until like. So yesterday, you were going to do something. Michael Lind at Angelica Theater. But Democratic pluralism, it's like when. What's that?

It's like when the government, corporations, and the working class through their representatives and unions all bargain together. OK. It's not going to last. Sounds like a hassle. It sounds, yeah. Sounds like a lot of red tape together.

I haven't believed in all that since 2016. Sorry, Michael Lind. But I love him. And I love him to death. Anyway, one of the vagrants really loves the baby. And I swear to God, he's not a pedophile. I have like a really strong feminine intuition about this. So I think it's chill because it makes

me feel like a good person. For sure. It's nice to have a relationship with the people in your community. Do we have anything else to say about Adam Levine? I mean, oh yeah, you were saying, right, it's not the cheating. It's the indiscretion.

I agree. I mean, the cheating is bad. The indiscretion is worse when you're that famous because it inevitably becomes public. And then your beautiful pregnant wife is humiliated. And it just goes to show, it reveals what the cheating hoped to accomplish all along, which is like, it reveals how much you resent your domestic

union. Obviously, people have like, that's why I love Carlos Suara because all of his movies are about this, like layered over Francoist repression or whatever. When I hear stories like this, it makes me love and support women because I'm like, I don't care if Bahadi Prince Lou had postpartum depression, AKA was like a norm.

But she's had postpartum with the other two kids. So she spoke about it publicly, of course. I don't care if she was a massive bitch. Do her the basic decency of not publicly humiliating her. But at the same time, he's clearly very low IQ. Adam Levine, no, he's not. What? No, Adam Levine, I actually have a soft spot for it

in the way that I have a soft spot for John Mayer. He's very smart and articulate. And he's Ashkenazi. He's a nice, smart Jewish boy. He's not low IQ. He's not. He has that special Portnoy's complaint thing that all these horny Jews have, which is they actually.

I mean, these tattoos are not. They're horrible. It's not good Jewish. That's a real scandal. Why is a nice Jewish boy having neck tattoos? What are you, machine gun Kelly? Yeah, this is not. It's just, I don't know.

Machine gun Maury. Machine gun Shlomo. Machine gun Moisha. Summoner's Stroh. And a lot of people are like, oh, he texts like a child. He texts like a, how do you know children text like you weird auto guinevile sex freak? He texts like a normal, like whatever, elder millennial

Gen X retard, but she said, essentially, I was, this is Summoner, essentially, I was having an affair with a man who was married to a Victoria's Secret model. At the time I was young, I was naive. And quite frankly, I feel exploited. I wasn't in the scene like I am now. So I was definitely easily manipulated. But okay, but this is, so okay, on one hand,

stories like this make me love and support women more. But on the other hand, they reaffirm why I hate women. Because women be lying. You were not exploited or manipulated. You knew exactly what you were doing. Every step of the way. And you were looking for a come up. Yeah.

No, she says she planned to never come forward, but then she decided to speak out after recklessly sending screenshots to friends she thought she could trust. One of them attempted to sell them to a tabloid. So here I am. The lies. The lies.

The lies, come on. And there was another girl, because this has prompted a cascade of other women coming forward. And one of the other girls was like, I have the quote here because it's so egregious. And so illustrative of female deviousness. What did she say?

She said that she came forward and agreed to post the DMs because she feels really bad for Adam's wife. Come on. And encourages other girls to do the same. It's like, what are you talking about? You feel bad for the wife. So you're going to make her feel even more shitty

by leaking your DMs. You do feel bad for someone's wife. I hate the particular way in which women lie. I had this tweet a couple of weeks ago where I was like, women like to experience themselves in sacrificial or victim roles. They like to feel like they're the small bean to rationalize the fact that their motives

are actually quite ordinary, just like everyone else's. And it's like, okay, I understand that sometimes people find themselves party to cheating. I understand that sometimes people lie. The way that women lie in this specific way is what I cannot abide by because they play the victim and they act like they were exploited and manipulated.

When they knew full well the whole time what they were doing, that's my issue. I'm not opposed to the cheating or the lying because as much as I don't like those things they're only natural and they're very gender neutral. Everybody does that. It's a part of life. And there are ways to lie

which are fundamentally gender neutral. Like for example, lying to play K-Others in the service of protecting yourself. Yeah, you go into a store in Soho that's going out of business and then you realize you don't want to be in there and it becomes really clear why this store is going out of business

if you pretend to take a phone call so you can be lying right out of there. Exactly. I was thinking more of like cheating scenarios. Oh, oh, oh. You know, babe, like I wasn't doing anything bad. We were just... But or like people lie to like amplify

their desirability or prestige. Which often looks gendered because women and men have different ways of caring about status. But it's really actually also very gender neutral. Everybody tries to like talk themselves up. Well, that's very transparently also with Somni or whatever her name is,

you know, leading with. Yeah. I had an affair with a man who was married to a Victoria's Secret model. Can you who me? Yeah, she's saying like I was like, I'm Eskimo sisters with a Victoria's Secret model. That's like the whole point.

Yeah. But I hate when women pretend, I like when women play dumb. Actually, we do quite a bit of that and it serves you in certain contexts. But I hate when women play the victim when they're being the aggressor. And when I posted that tweet,

I had a bunch of people being like, oh, of course she's just projecting and talking about herself because she's a liar. Which we like, I had this old tweet a couple of weeks ago where I said like, you know, I quoted John, John Berger, women, and I said, it's much worse than that. Women specifically like to experience themselves

in like frail and dainty roles because they know that their daily motives are often quite ordinary. They're not frail or dainty. They're utilitarian, they're functional. Yes, but also that there is power in assuming that role. Right, and they know that now more than ever.

Yeah, it's like topping from the bottom. Exactly, exactly. They can get away with it. Yeah. It gives them a kind of, I've been rewatching Gone With The Wind. Oh yeah. We should read the book and watch the movie

and it's like a very long, yeah. And the movie's long too. That's why it's, you know, that's like a too ambitious on the, but maybe, maybe one day. But yeah, Scarlet O'Hara is a great heroine because she is such a petty woman through and through. Like from the jump, she's like,

the war, like war, war, war. Like, you boys are boring me. Like all she cares about. I love that quote. Yeah, it's so amazing where she, she like can't tolerate conversation about any topic. That's not her. Yeah.

Like how do I make this about meme, meme, like literally. And then you, Ukraine, you mean me, Ukraine. You mean Belarus? And even when she falls on hard times, you know, she's still so like narcissistically motivated. She's really, she's such a great character. She's such a great like protagonist. Yeah, I love her.

She's so true to like something fundamental and feminine nature, which was very robust in the antebellum South. Because that really was a true patriarchy. Where you had to be scrappy. You had to not only be scrappy, but you actually gained kind of status and power through like performative helplessness and weakness.

Right. I mean, I mean, I said weakness, and we got to. We have to. Well, today, but sure, but you still, but you still gain power now through that. Yeah. Honestly, it's 232 men are none the wiser.

I swear, I would not mention that man's name again on this podcast, but here I am. Anyway, yeah, I get all that. I like female scrappiness and industriousness. I like when women play dumb and get the bag. I love all that. Yeah. I just hate when there is a woman being hurt

on the other end and you are the one playing the victim, saying you were exploited and manipulated. You were exploited, yeah. You're a hoe. I'm sorry. Yep. Summoner, you are a hoe. And I have no tolerance for women like that.

No. And like, at least be honest about being a hoe. Yeah. I love, what's that woman? Super head set her name like that famous video girl who sucked up all the rappers and like wrote a towel book about it. At least she was open about the fact that she was

a gold digger with like the best head game in the industry, whatever. How are you going to be a hoe and a liar? Yeah. Well, how are you going to be a hoe and a victim? Those things are mutually exclusive. I have no problem with hoes as long as they own it. And I love the character of Scarlett O'Hara

because she's like a throwback to the old school version of female deceitfulness before the software update where she was literally in it for the money. She didn't want to be poor. She didn't want to be demoted in her like economic status. And as a result, she lost the best thing that ever happened to her,

which was like this man, Rhett Butler. The new hoes, they don't even care about money. They just care about clout. It's so pathetic. I know. That's what I hate. If you want, I understand any woman who wants to secure her financial future.

Absolutely. I don't understand women who are just doing it for clout. You are a loser. So true. I'm just saying. No, there's no like, yeah. There's something to be said for women's survivalist instincts.

But the cloud's worthless, honey. It is. One day you're gonna be a, one day you're gonna have postpartum. Pink, I mean, I've been postpartum girl. I don't mean you. I mean somewhere. I mean, you know, it's like you, it's karmic.

One day you are gonna be like a weird like purple-haired bag lady with titties that look like socks, stuff full of coins, pushing your NAR card in dime square. I'm clearly speaking about myself and projecting. Yeah. But like one day it's not. Recording your podcast.

Yeah. With your friend, Dasha, who still looks pretty good. We don't know how she does it. But. No, I'm just kidding. Obviously it's only a matter of time for both of us. I want to say that I hate hoes. Pumpkin countdowns.

You don't hate hoes. But I don't hate hoes. I love hoes. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I just hate lying ass hoes. Yes. Kniving ass hoes.

And it makes me, it's not like she's even presenting in a virtuous way. She's so clearly a hoe. Yeah. That it feels like there's a crisis of credibility happening, you know? There's a crisis of faith in the institution of hoeing. Like there is in all institutions.

Just, yeah, in the cynical appropriating of like the exploitation discourse of me too, which the sun has long set on, that you don't even really have a leg to stay. You know, she doesn't even, it's all wrong. I think like even like victimhood was like a novel and fresh at some point, but they've really squandered it. They ruined it.

They cried wolf and they used it too many times. You know, like it would have been cool if it was just like used selectively on special occasions. Yeah. But now every hoe is doing the whole like, I was exploited and also I'm Asian-American. And you're like, what? He fetishized me.

Yeah. I'm surprised Adam wasn't getting with any like Asian honeys in the DMs. Cause he's Jewish. It was all white women, yeah. He clearly has, I mean, maybe he's not low IQ, I'll concede that, but there's a low, the taste level is low.

Well, have you seen the tattoos? He also like to wear those t-shirts with like the baseball hem. Oh yeah, yeah. No, there's nothing, yeah. I do not have a soft spot for Adam with me. And I find there to be basically nothing redeemable about him.

I find the music of Maroon 5 to be extremely grating and annoying. I like literally secretly love Maroon 5. I'm such a norm. You know who would never do this? Chris Martin. The Coldplay? Coldplay?

Yeah, but he's like- You know Chris Martin's not doing stuff like this. Male Pisces. But he's a low libido Brit. Fair enough. Adam Lepinus, literally like the, Alex Portnoy from Portnoy's complaint. They're all the same.

He's the Dave Portnoy from- He's the, yeah, literally. Dave Portnoy is that guy. It's crazy that there's another famous guy called Portnoy who's like named after a fictional character. Nasty as per word. Yeah, they really are cut from the same cloth. Every single horny Jew.

Yeah. They all the same. And we love them for that. We do. We do, we really do. Fine. We've said enough. This is like our most racist and misogynistic episode.

This one was, went off the rails a little bit. It's a little chaotic and it's free. And it's free, but are we wrong? No, we were like- Right, every single time. Ask yourselves that. Every single time. Just ask yourselves, are we wrong?

And don't answer because we don't care. See you in hell. See you in hell. [♪ upbeat music playing