Red Scare - The Call is Coming from Inside the Longhouse

Episode Date: February 25, 2023

The ladies discuss Lomez's longhouse article in First Things and Roald Dahl getting posthumously longhoused by the publishing industry....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 we're back. Oh, are we recording? Yeah, yeah, we're recording. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just gonna rebrand as a wigger. Smart. Untouchable. Is this a free one? I think so. Cool. Do I have to scrub that? No, we've been we've been dropping. We've been on the right side of history. Wow. Yeah. Asian Americana in a can. I know. Disgusting. Where did you get this? Stop Asian hate in a can at Whole Foods. It's called a lunar. And it's good. Asian inspired hard seltzer. It's with flavors like leechy, yuzu, plum and passion fruit. Yeah, it's fine. It's mild. I mean, I mean, I, I wasn't desperate. I didn't have time to stop for wine. So I dumped a bunch of hard seltzes into my bag. It's nice. It's okay. It's not bad. It's not bad.
Starting point is 00:01:28 I'm, I'm breaking my four days of writing the streak since Lent has started. And how's that going? Good. I mean, I gave up drinking. I'm going to give up smoking weed just because I haven't been smoking that much weed already. And I think I could, I think I can do it. Right. But that'll be, I don't think I've gone 40 days without smoking weed. Damn, what? How often do you smoke weed? I smoke weed like a lot. Like how often? Like more than you play chess? Not every day. No. Well, chess has been good because I don't want to play chess when I smoke weed. Right. So it gives me something to do. They're kind of mutually exclusive. Something to do that's not. I'm giving up chess for a
Starting point is 00:02:19 Lent. Definitely not. Um, yeah, I mean, there's times where I like smoke weed every day. Yep. Damn. I know. And they say it's not a dick. So you're like Jim Brewer and half baked. You could say that. Yeah. Well, when Dr. Drew came on and he was talking about weed addiction, and he said, I was like, uh-huh. No, he said the defining characteristic of weed addicts is that they love it. Like the first time they smoke weed, they absolutely love it. Yeah. Whereas it's more of a learning curve for other people. It takes like two, three times for most people to get high. And some people I think who like smoked weed when they were teenagers, by the time they're in their like adulthood report that it gives them anxiety and they like stop smoking weed. But I didn't
Starting point is 00:03:12 really start smoking weed until college. And I was, I was like, this is so sick. I like loved it. What's there to do at a woman's school other than read Nietzsche and blaze smoke weed? This stuff smells like rubbing alcohol. It really does. It's basically a white claw and it's made from corn sugar. It's an Asian claw, a yellow claw. Fun fact, Yuzu is rich in antioxidants, which can prevent cancer and heart disease. There ain't no antioxidants in this hard seltzer. This is so weird. Okay. We actively support AAPI causes because we didn't get here by ourselves. What's that supposed to mean? I don't know. Didn't you get here by yourselves?
Starting point is 00:04:04 Hmm. Isn't it a, aren't you a model minority strength, a testament to your strength and industriousness that you definitely got here by yourself? Yeah. And it's a sensibly kind of a Japanese. It's all over the place. It has all the Asian influences. Yuzu, that's Japanese. Yeah, there's kind of like a, a soulless K-pop aesthetic layered over like the Japanese woodcut stamp. Yeah. Like a Kawaii bunny. All right. There's probably some Chinese stuff somewhere. Dude, I've been so fucked up because everywhere I turn, I've like scrolling the timeline. It's like videos of like Chinese people doing weird shit of weird animals. Oh, the big salamander. Yeah. They eat a lot of weird stuff over there. Yeah, they sure do. The funniest we ever,
Starting point is 00:05:01 um, if aliens ever came to earth, Chinese people would pan fry them with vegetables. Was this a pangolin flavored seltzer? They should do that. Was this bad? Oh, come all out dragon flavored hard seltzer for your taste buds. That's how COVID started. From hard seltzer? From mixing a dragon jade essence. But it feels like some kind of weird sigh up because white people be doing unfathomably cruel shit to animals too. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. There's a little bit of a, well, the factory farms, you know, you can make, you know, but I don't know if this is just like the algorithm boosting the shit onto
Starting point is 00:05:56 my timeline because it knows that I'm, uh, troubled and turbulent. And so it's God is testing me with like a weird like animal cruelty porn. Yeah, the it's design, it's not the internet is not designed to make you feel good for sure. No, definitely not though. Notably, I have not given up posting because I, oh yeah, that's the thing you could do. Hypothetically is give a posting. Nicolo left Twitter for land. He did. Like this time around? Yeah. Yeah. Did he know? So he's not going to be around to counter signals and now we can counter signal him all we want. He is gay. Anna. I'm trying to do my neckline. It's good. Here's the plan. We're going to go down to the glory hole.
Starting point is 00:06:59 Okay, I'm going to suck the dick. Tear is going to come out of my eyes. That's it. Then we hit the bathhouse. But he's allowed to have a couple of espresso. He would drink espresso when we were in Croatia. He was like just getting wasted and then being like and have an espresso. That's a condolee on my. You get gang raped by drug dealers and they're like here have an espresso. All better. Putting you on this Oregon trafficking buzz. Hey girl, have an espresso. Wow. But I didn't give up posting because I think God wants me to post but I've been more mindful of my post. I'm not being mean.
Starting point is 00:08:05 Okay. You won't see me lashing out. Do you remember that mean? I'm not. I saw a video today of a woman doing fucking losers. We'll get into this. I have a whole spiel pertaining to the long house. Anyway, go on. You want an Instagram? I saw an Instagram video of an adult woman doing ballet and the caption was something like they say you can't start point at 24 or something and she was not particularly good at ballet nor did she have a ballerina body aesthetic and I was like don't say anything. Do you post mean comments on Instagram? I felt an impulse too and I was like Lord have mercy. Good for you Dasha.
Starting point is 00:08:57 Dasha. Not today Satan. We're sanctifying. It's giving repent. It's giving I'm so sorry. Are you though? Yeah. You're sorry. I have sorrow for my sins. You're sorry for the times that you've lashed out and been a bitch. Yeah. Definitely. You don't derive pleasure enjoyment from it. No. I love mercy even though I seem to choose war every day. Secretly. I'm also obsessed with mercy. It's a duality. True. Speaking of duality, I think that that's what bothers people about the Chinese culinary
Starting point is 00:09:49 habits videos because there's like a really extreme polarity between their worship of pathologically cute animals like dogs that they like groom to look like bunnies and pandas and lions and then more like a Japanese trait to me. They're like Chinese have this too. I think it's like a trickle down. I don't know. And then also like they're extreme and arbitrary cruelty to weird random animals that you've never heard of. Like a giant salamander. I didn't even know that was an animal that existed in the world. I saw one at the Natural History Museum in San Francisco once when I was on a mushroom. How did it make you feel? How did this make you feel? Maybe feel scared, dude.
Starting point is 00:10:37 I don't like that big. Some things should stay small. Yeah. Scale is important. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Some things just shouldn't be big. So I'm glad they skin that thing made it. Made like a tofu like soup. Blood soup. So the docket. Oh yeah. Can I hit your face? Oh yeah, of course. Of course, I just put a fresh pot in. I have to secure a vape. I have my, did you quit smoking? I haven't smoked in a long time. I actually didn't smoke a couple cigarettes on your birthday, but yeah. Smells like cigs in here. I know. Well, it's permanently going to smell like cigs in here. I have this.
Starting point is 00:11:29 I have my L bar too. I kind of got sick of it. I might hit that. Cool. I like your um my Prada linear Rosa duffel bag. Yeah. How'd you know? Because I saw the front. Oh, oh, who are Tim and Alice? No clue. Where'd you get it? It's cool. I got it on the real roll. It's been in my like obsessions for a long time and I kept waiting for them. It was weirdly too expensive. But I like how it's kind of small for a duffel. Right. Because when I get the big duffel, I fill it up with all sorts of crap and then carry that. I'm jiggly, jiggly garbage that you don't need. Yeah, that's kind of like four books around. Like a poverty aesthetic. Yeah, it's a nice gray color. Um, yeah, this is my new tote bag. Sick. It's got tampons,
Starting point is 00:12:18 you know, tretinoin. Our lives are lived through like little pods, like you have a tampon, you have like a little lipstick, you have a jewel pod, everything is sort of small and cylindrical shaped like the long house, except the long house is long and big. Hey, guess what? I actually live in a long house. Like literally my house is long. Yeah. My bedroom is long and narrow. My apartment is long and narrow. I live in a small house that's very poorly designed. Um, which is its own kind of my house shaped like Chris Brown's dick is long and thin. It's got a nice length your apartment. It's fine. It's not that bad. It's no other apartments on the floor, which is cool. Yeah. Anyway, the long house,
Starting point is 00:13:28 the long house back in the news. First things published a piece by Lomax. What's his name? Lomax Gallery. It's Alex Shulin. That's his alt. Oh, right. Oh, that's I got confused, right? Lomax. Yeah. Right. You can't be in on and expect me to remember all your gay little hands. I thought these guys are supposed to be white nationals. So why they sound Mexican? I guess the only white nationals left these days are like Mexican and Guyanese guys. Right. Puerto Ricans. Puerto Ricans, Dominican, and Latinx. Um, yeah, he wrote an article called what is the long house? Yeah. For those unacquainted.
Starting point is 00:14:28 Describing and summarizing the features of the long house and its role as a metaphor for contemporary social organization. Right. And it's insidious influence through the feminization. All right, here, we're going to tell you guys. We kind of talked about the long house already. We have. Yeah. Kind of talk about it all the time. Yeah. I mean, it's an apt and pertinent metaphor. It sure is. I guess we'll talk about the raw doll stuff. Yeah. The safetyism being one of the dominant features of the long house. Yeah. So here, here's a quote from the Lomez piece on the long house. Lomez. Even for those of us who use it, the long house evades easy summary ambivalent to its core, the term is at once
Starting point is 00:15:27 politically earnest and the punchline to an elaborate in joke. Its definition must remain elastic lest it lose its power to lampoon the vast constellation of social forces it reviles. It refers at once to our increasingly degraded mode of technocratic governance, but also to wokeness to the progressive liberal and secular values that pervade all major institutions. More fundamentally, the long house is a metonym for the disequilibrium affecting contemporary social imaginary words. Salad. Menonym. Yeah. He's certainly made defining the long house harder for himself. But it seems like the long house is just like a convenient and compact way of summarizing my line that men built civilizations so women could administer its decline.
Starting point is 00:16:19 Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah, he gets into the numbers. Yeah. Oh, we should read some of the stats because they are actually interesting and important of kind of shocking women's overwhelming presence in the the academy as well as the workforce, particularly in HR departments. He said, as of 2020 to women held 52% of professional managerial roles in the US. Women earn more than 57% of bachelor degrees, 61% of master's degrees and 54% of doctoral degrees. And because they are overrepresented in professions such as human resource management, 73% and compliance officers, 57% I the word compliance officer sends that gives me chills. I know. What the fuck makes me think of like nurse ratchet. What is that?
Starting point is 00:17:14 What is that? I think it's an officer that makes you comply. I hate that. It's some withered old crown with dried up tits on the job who tells you how you should behave. The long house is when some bitch be coming around telling you how to act. Saying, don't smoke in here. Don't stand over here. But ma'am, you can't take your shoes off at the botanical garden. In the photo copy room. They want to saw a glory hole. They want to limit your vitality. They want to oppress you. They have an outsize influence on professional culture, which itself has an outsize influence on American culture more generally. I kind of feel like it's less important what these fake email and compliance jobs women have
Starting point is 00:18:14 do than what they are, which is like literally just a jobs program for people who are otherwise unemployable. Like you have to invent new reasons for people to have jobs and collect an income. It's like an extra layer. Shouldn't these mans be working? They're like working in the mail room and writing graces. Yeah. Why aren't these men going to work? And then he gets into some of the nitty gritty. The historical long house is a large communal hall serving as the social focal point for many cultures and peoples throughout the world that were typically more sedentary and agrarian. In online discourse, this historical function gets generalized to contemporary patterns of
Starting point is 00:18:58 social organization, in particular the exchange of privacy and its attendant autonomy for the modest comforts and security of collective living. The most important feature of the long house and why it makes it a resonant and controversial symbol of our current circumstances is the ubiquitous role of the den mother. More than anything, the long house refers to the remarkable overcorrection of the last two generations towards social norms, centering feminine needs and feminine methods for controlling, directing, and modeling behavior. I want to clarify here that the long house is not a matriarchy. No, I noticed that Lohmez was arguing with some schizo poster who basically said, dude, it's a matriarchy. So why not use like the simplest, most standardized form instead of coming
Starting point is 00:19:48 up with like a gay and self-satisfied metaphors? Well, doesn't that sort of make the distinction in his book about the real long house as like the tyranny of the mother-in-law? Right. Which isn't really exactly really like a matriarchy per se. Yeah, matriarchy implies rule by powerful matrons, not neurotic crones, and spinsters also so moreover matriarchy implies like patriarchy, the existence of a hierarchy, which our contemporary social organization aspires to a flattening of hierarchy in a non hierarchical society, though of course hierarchies do inevitably persist. And it aspires to this in the name of like equity, but really in order to diffuse responsibility and liability.
Starting point is 00:20:44 Well, hence like a sort of boundarylessness of the long house and the encroachment on one's personal liberties. Right. And crucially, when your personal liberties are encroached upon and your person or your property is violated, you have nowhere to turn because no one wants to be responsible. Right. Like suddenly there's no over hierarchical structure because we've like done away with the patriarchy, which is bad and oppressive. Also another thing that that pointed out is that this long house society is not something that materialized with the triumph of communism or feminism. It's not necessarily a contemporary arrangement. It's the rule, not the exception that has existed throughout history.
Starting point is 00:21:39 I think he makes this point in Bronze Age mindset. I mean, even in patriarchies, I feel like women have found circuitous routes to power through the kind of mechanisms that Lomas describes of like ostritization and gossip and stuff and like have wielded their feminine power. Even in, you know, you give a minute, you give these broads an inch and they'll take a freaking mile long long house. Yeah, he basically pointed out that many people lose sight of the fact that that this kind of collectivist, safest social organization is not a contemporary development associated with like communism and feminism, but really the rule rather than the exception
Starting point is 00:22:43 throughout history, which, you know, was a point that stuck out to me. I think a better, more operative term would be gynaocracy. But it's, I like gynaocracy. Yeah, because it implies something childless and technocratic, which I think encapsulates the society we live in, anti natalist and technocratic, but I like the long house as a, as a manifestation of a space. Well, gynaocracy is not exactly catchy or charismatic. The reason people have been like ringing their brains trying to figure out why long house works as a metaphor. And it's like, well, duh, because it's hilarious and retarded. Because you're comparing a progressive and technocratic society to a thatch hut run by medieval wenches. It's so absurd on its face that it
Starting point is 00:23:42 actually does that like Russian literary thing of making strange the mundane. And, you know, things that are hilarious and retarded have a special way of being more accurate than true. Yeah, they're too real. Exactly. That's all it is. That's the special magic. Well, we can get into some of the, the contemporary features of gynaocracy that he that he points out. He says, nowhere is this more apparent than in the realm of free speech and the tenor of our public discourse where consensus and the prohibition on offense and harm take precedence over the truth. We are expected to indulge with theatrical zealotry, the preferences, however bizarre of a never-ending scroll of victim groups whose pathologies are above criticism. Further, these speech norms
Starting point is 00:24:29 are enforced through punitive measures typical of female dominated groups, social isolation, reputational harm, indirect and hidden force, i.e. cancel culture. And, you know, crucially says that the avatar of the long house need not be female, it could just as well be male, which is well taken. But if I may offer Lomas, I love you, baby. I promise to show the passage prize. Amazing book. Just found out who you are. Very weighty. Win on the passage prize website. It's good. Love what's going on. The book costs $75, which is kind of like a Red Scare merch style prize. I paid way more for that shit. You got the hard cover. I got the hard cover as an active charity. Let me find it, actually, because we can, you know, read some poetry for the fellas.
Starting point is 00:25:21 That'd be fun for the boys. I've never, this feels like doing stand-up for an audience of one. Anna's standing. She's moving her slayer, framed slayer poster aside to find her. Oh, yeah. How much is that? $400? Look at this. Passage, $400. Wait, for real? $420, maybe. You paid $400 for this book? Yeah, because, you know, I got to support my right wing racist anons. Of course, it's a gorgeous book. It's a nice book. A passage prize, volume one. Exit from the long house. Yes. Literature, nonfiction, poetry. I love this. Marbled. Marbling. What do you call this, the inner gate or something? I don't know. Oh, the dedication. For and on, we are going to win. That's inspiring. For Anna and Dasha. For Anna and Dasha.
Starting point is 00:26:18 Our biggest supporters. I mean, the biggest pick-me's. What do we got here? We got, oh, yeah. We got poetry. We got Curtis Jarvan coming through. Okay. Yeah, it's nice. It's nice, right? I'd slap this down on my coffee table right in the middle of my long house. It's like. I like that asylum act too that you participated in. I thought that asylum act was nice. It was cute. Maybe, you know, honestly, I might write a whole, maybe write a whole poem. Do it. Wait, I have, well, I have a business proposition for you that I will bring up after we're done potting, so we don't have to like jinx it. Okay. I will not eat the book. But yeah, it's nice. It's like a really well done, beautifully designed high school yearbook.
Starting point is 00:27:21 Absolutely. It's giving yearbook. It's giving yearbook and I love it. It's giving a racist yearbook. I'd love to break out my gel pen and write a sweet, sweet note to my favorite boys. Some of the art is low-key pretty good. Yeah. And some of the writing too. I'm sure, I'm sure. I mean, there's been, you know, a legacy of, uh, Samizda, George O. Dikiriko. I'm dying for Bap to come on the pod because I really want to ask him about Dikiriko. Uh-huh. Who's his favorite artist? Yeah. Which is a wild card because it's so modern. Yeah. It's Dikiriko's talented, but he's kind of like a missed opportunity. Like you can almost see him attaining his genius, but he never quite reaches it. Interesting. I mean, I love Dikiriko.
Starting point is 00:28:17 I'm not like a hater. Yeah. Yeah. I've reserved my hatred for Rembrandt and Renoir, the two most overrated art, the three Rs. Rubens, Rembrandt, Renoir. Sorry, Leland. Sorry, Leland. Um, who I was at the Met with the other day, he was telling me Rembrandt was his favorite artist and I was looking at a lot of these paintings and I was kind of like, twee, not, not really doing it for me, but I, I love like the, I love like we are. Me too. Me too, Dasha, the nubby. Yeah. I like, do you know that my mom is the foul vests? I like the like 19th century, like right before. Me too. And I like modern art too. That's good. My mom is a high level state of the art nubby copyist. Interesting. Those are her favorite artists too, and she used to drag me to museums
Starting point is 00:29:15 and make me look at their stuff. Well, they're very, they're quite cool. I love especially like Bernard's bizarre bath paintings of his depressed wife, who was apparently a real piece of work, real BPD art. I'm serious. Many such cases. No, this is a cute book I like when people get together and it's creative. I love being creative. I'm like woodcuts. Nothing like being creative with my friends. Um, no, DeCurico has always been disappointing to me because I know what he's getting at, which is that mystical and uncanny Italian eight style that all Italian artists have. Right. But he never quite nails it for me. His paintings make me feel like they give me this kind of bad feeling. Well, yeah, I think they're supposed to they're meant to
Starting point is 00:30:09 right there like they're melancholic, but specifically they really remind me of when I would go to Hoover Dam. They used to take me on field trips to Hoover Dam as a child. And I was very like overwhelmed and upset by the like architecture and the machinery and the like and just the know it like it gave me I had I intuited even as a kid that this place like shouldn't exist. The dam, not just the dam, but like the water like Las Vegas, like, you know, that the dam irrigation dam was sort of responsible for ruining many lives. This life that didn't that was sort of, but wasn't the dam also like a jobs program because it was like a depression era, like work relief type situation. And it's beautifully done.
Starting point is 00:31:00 And very eerie and uncanny. It's very eerie. And when you're there, it feels, it doesn't, I don't know, I bought the dam t-shirt when I was at the dam this summer. When did you go to the dam? We were in Vegas. I took, we took a detour to the dam. Maybe I should revisit because I just have really bad child. Well, you have a different, like you saw it as a child for the first time I saw it as an adult for the first time. It's like a very different vantage point as this like pride and joy of Clark County or it's not even in Clark County, I don't think, but yeah, this is a sweet. This is a nice. Anyway, pick up the passage prize. I don't know what the hardcover sold out. You can have my hardcover honestly.
Starting point is 00:31:46 Don't really need it anymore. I'll sign it for you and my metallic shark. No, I love the passage prize. So now that I've said something nice about Lomez and the passage prize as I promised you on Twitter, I'm going to show for another right wing publisher in a bit. So go, go off. I have a couple of small critiques because he's been getting a lot of bad faith critiques. Immediately after this article came out, he was just like pummeled with a series of bad faith critiques. Well, this was in part due to... Oh, sorry. I don't want the Yuzu. I want the Lychee. Yeah, I'll take the Yuzu. I don't care. Dude, I'm an alcoholic.
Starting point is 00:32:38 The fact that it was published in first things, I think, stokes set off a firestorm of controversy. Set off a firestorm of controversy and caused a lot of like hand wringing about supposedly like Nietzschean ideas being espoused in a Christian publication. Okay, well, I have a whole comic about this. But before I say that, Lomez baby, I love you. You're a great writer. Your article in asylum on conspiracy theories is one of the most brilliant things I've ever read. This one kind of took the wind out of the wings of the longhouse. Okay. I changed my mind. I don't like the Lychee. I want the Yuzu.
Starting point is 00:33:20 I'm just, I think it could have been snappier and funnier is all I'm saying. Otherwise good article. I mean, not, yeah. That's a cosmetic superficial critique, not that important. But anyway, so it really unleashed this torrent of cope from all the usual suspects, the DC integralist types and the rural trad calf types. Patrick Deneen, who's one of the big kahoonas of that crowd said, no clue. Disappointed doesn't quite capture my response to first things publishing a Nietzsche light article by a Twitter and on the justified opposition to oakism increasingly dominating the mainstream right is in danger of descending into very dark places. Translation, I'm mad they
Starting point is 00:34:06 published it and on who gets more play than me. There was actually a guy from my church wrote to me on signal this weekend to tell me he was at a apparently there was like a Catholic conference called New York Encounter that had a Nietzsche exhibit that we were featured in what as the prominent Nietzsche and intellectuals of our day. Like you and me. Yeah. I haven't even read Nietzsche. He said there was like a video of me like talking on Thaddeus Russell's podcast and God knows what. And then there was like some quotes from you. I don't know. I'm just spiritually I'm just saying there's I came to these ideas myself. I didn't have to read all all knowledge is knowledge is a fat circle is a fat circle and is is knowledge of something prior. Yeah. I just realized at an
Starting point is 00:35:16 early age that I'd rather be a master than a slave. Sorry. Well, I know I've always just hated fake compassion and empathy because I could clock it from a mile away and it was really disgusting and coercive and what made it more disgusting and coercive is of course that it's like unfalsifiable, which is a word I like to use, but you can't prove that these people are evil and disgusting and the more that you try to prove it, the more mean and contemptuous you sound. Right. When they're really like the creepy trad cat puppet masters in the shadows. They really are the worst. But of course it's got it all wrong. The integralists and the trad cats that are melting down about this because
Starting point is 00:36:04 they've like caught wind of the long house and have like some faint revelation that they themselves are the male like ambassadors, exponents of the long house. They're the allies. Yeah. And they're the compliance officer. Yeah. And they're of course, all the real Christianity are like marshaled against recognizing this point because it would be like ruinous to their egos. Um, cope, epic cope. Yeah. And it's like their whole thing is like, it's very important that you view my lifestyle as a moral choice and not a giant cope. Like I'm married to a land monster and living in the woods. All these attractive people are being so mean because I'm so virtuous. Um, but yeah, I would just like to point out also one other thing whenever you see a spate of
Starting point is 00:37:00 takes problematizing Nietzsche has nothing to do with Nietzsche or his writings because the sad reality is that no one is really interested in philosophy in this day and age, let alone these take peddlers. Nietzsche is code for BAP. They are airing out some light. Yeah. Warmed over Nietzsche. They are airing out some petty grievances in the guise of intellectual inquiry. That's all it is. They don't, that's not about Nietzsche at all. Well, he doesn't really figure into this. I mean, he doesn't in the most kind of abstract, loose academic way, but really they're just counter signaling BAP. Well, who draws from Nietzsche very much. Yeah, but also in counter signaling BAP, they've run out of material. So they've now started to counter signal like BAP adjacent
Starting point is 00:37:58 personalities like quote Lomas and quote raw egg nationalist. Well, because they espouse a message of straying. Well, with male liberation. Yeah. But, you know, grounded in a Nietzschean foundation personal responsibility will to power, which on its face, obviously is very on on Christian, I guess that was that this though, if it hadn't been published in first things, I'm sure there still would have been like people who are upset. But the fact that it was seemingly sanctioned by like a Christian publication, I think is what people were really upset about. Or so they claim. Or so they claim. I don't buy that anyone's, you know, you know, truly upset. But I think I think Nietzsche was a prophet. And that he even in the late 19th century,
Starting point is 00:39:07 to say nothing of today when the situation is far, far worse, like Christianity itself had already been reduced basically to like niceties, you know. And so his critique of Christianity is extremely scathing. But I think and maybe this was a point that was made at this Catholic conference that I wasn't invited to. That one's gross. I know I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You want to share the user? Can I just try it? I don't need to have it. Yeah, I'll just have a sip. Yeah, this one's cool. All right, I'll drink the leech. I'm really okay with drinking the most disgusting alcohol ever. Right. I don't care. I also think people make efforts to kind of reconcile Nietzsche and thought with with Christianity, which I don't think needs to be done. I think
Starting point is 00:40:09 Nietzsche does Christians actually a favor by pointing out that there is enmity and contradiction between Christianity and the world that it is specifically, you know, if you were of the world, the world would love its own is like a principle of of Christianity, right? And that what modern kind of like corrupted Christianity does is is try to reconcile it in like an earthly way and make it about being nice, palatable, palatable, nice, which is egalitarian, which isn't really the to me isn't isn't really the the point. I'm going to read a tweet by my new buddy, Kate. Faith has probably always felt like a self conscious and compensatory exercise. The most sincere believers are sensitive to this fact, while the majority of us sublimate doubt in a
Starting point is 00:41:10 caricatured and grotesque performance of faith. I think she's right. Like any person who's a sincere believer is conscious and aware of the fact that there will come times when you are riddled with doubt, when you find it hard to suspend disbelief, that sort of baked into the cake of faith, if you're an honest actor, I mean, some of the best saints, like, St. Teresa of the Sue, St. John of the Cross have famously gone through dark nights of the soul that is like a fundamental part of Christian thought. It contains many contradictions much like Nietzsche does, who I obviously am, am a fan of. But since I have some since I quit drinking for four days, I become a genius. And I read I read another book. Awesome. Nice, which
Starting point is 00:42:10 I read a really skinny book Nietzsche and Christianity Christianity Christianity by Mod teacher who was a nun, it was published by Rogue scholar press. I got I got it when they released it obviously because it's too interesting. It's four or five like essays of hers dealing with Nietzsche's critique of Christianity, which I think has to be grappled with, right? And that any, like, real Christian with, I don't know, can I I feel like I've consolidated my interest with Nietzsche with like Catholicism just by using the power of my mind, any real Christian would acknowledge that there are certain things that are like irreducible and irreconcilable, like Christianity and the world. I mean Nietzsche is very clear about this. He says they would seed control to
Starting point is 00:43:12 the will of God. Yes, and stop trying to insert like a square peg into a round hole. We are we are simply unearthed to do to do with his will not ours, of which Nietzsche was a part. And well, this is so this is, this is from one of Mod Peter's essays about Nietzsche specifically as like a anti feminist, I'm going to read. Even in these days of female emancipation, the old spirit of Caprice and coca tree, coquette, coquette, coquette tree. We know what that means seems as much coquettishness. Yes, coquettishness of being like a flirty and evasive and stupid the way women are seems as much alive as ever. And what is coquetry but a confession of weakness with the avowed intention of making that weakness not a shame but a claim and a claim not simply for that
Starting point is 00:44:17 help which all may need at times but a claim to have weakness qua weakness recognized as a right and a privilege, not as a loss and a sickness. It is thus that woman often leads man in virtue of her very inferiority, not in virtue of that particular strength in which she is actually his superior and entitled to a definite influence. Such women might learn much from Nietzsche's scathing reproaches might learn that weakness in itself can never be right matter for a boast nor right means of influence. Here's the good part. We should seek those stronger than ourselves in order to be cured of our infirmities, not in order to make them servants of our misery. Longhouse. That's very good. Isn't that fire? Yeah. Yeah. Good. A woman wrote this? A woman wrote
Starting point is 00:45:04 this. Go off girl. Yeah, girl. It's a very good book. I would really recommend supporting it. They say women are not capable of abstract thought. So they say. But in Christianity much like in Nietzsche there is much contradiction and irony and I think that there are things to gain from taking his thought seriously even as as a Christian. Right. Ideally, if you're honest with yourself and you approach Nietzsche in an open minded way as a Christian, this should sharpen and strengthen your Christianity. Right. Yeah. Right. I mean, I'm drinking a plum hard seltzer and smoking Dasha's Malibu L4 vape. So
Starting point is 00:46:11 there's another book that I will recommend called a passage prize called the passage prize costs $400. No, there's a French Catholic novelist in Francois Moria, who I enjoy very much. She wrote a book called a kiss for the leper that's in it the protagonist who is this kind of like bug man of his day. He's like in this like total Chad's house and he like stumbles upon a Nietzsche book and he reads like a passage and it like disturbs him really deeply. And then things unfold in the novel that are ironic and that teach us that sometimes, you know, the redeemed and the redeemers are not who we expect. Moriac also wrote a book called the anguish and joy of Christian life, which is about being horny that I like very, very much.
Starting point is 00:47:07 The role of Nietzsche and Christianity is much like the role of horniness and Christianity. Use something to be dealt with. Something to be swept under the rug by pretending not to be gay with your fat wife and for learning disabilities, children. This is my issue with all of these trad cats on the internet, virtually all of whom are converts, by the way. Yes, which is insane, which is crazy. I happen to agree with Jack Mason on this. You really can't convert to anything. You should just accept the religion you were born into. That's my hot take. I think it's that sounds kind of transphobic if you extrapolate it far enough, but you know what I'm saying. I think it's well, I'm biased, obviously, but frankly, I think it's bizarre to convert to
Starting point is 00:48:15 something that isn't Catholicism, which I think is kind of the only real religion, which is why it was so prominent and powerful in the early days of history. I think conversion was probably more possible in the early days. If you were a pagan. Yeah, before the postmodern era in which everything becomes a self-conscious lark, even if you believe that you believe. I mean, I'm less freaked out by people who believe for cynical reasons than people who actually believe that they believe. Well, I think it's like much like right wing Twitter. It's like a bit of like a social club for people. It's way of them. It's like foster community connection. But that really is like the Nietzschean critique of the
Starting point is 00:49:15 herd, you know, and I think that the real the unheard, the real, I don't know, as I I know everyone thinks that's annoying when I talk about my Christianity, but I go to church and and when now that it's lent, right, we're doing like the liturgy of pre-sangtified gifts where we do these different prayers. And in those prayers, we literally say if a just man strikes you, that is kindness. Wait, what does that mean? Like a just man strikes you like physically hits you? Yeah, or strikes you down and somewhere that like there is like like justice is not. If a just man rapes you. If a just man rapes you. That is people. But no, it's not just about a kind of like
Starting point is 00:50:09 kindness. It's not about a banal nicety. Like sometimes kindness is a strike. Jesus Christ himself said, I did not come to bring peace. I came to bring the sword, you know, right? But people are annoyed when you talk about Christianity because they're like, ma, it's hypocritical. She's a party girl. She does drugs. Her body count, whatever, whatever. Because again, bobbing for hypocrisy, like a truffle swine is the lowest form of discourse. People love to point out how you're a hypocrite or I'm a hypocrite. Guess what? We're all hypocrites. Guess what? I'm a genius. I can hold two different ideas in my head at the same time. The annoying thing, the thing that I object to with
Starting point is 00:50:58 tradcast on the internet who are far worse is that they defile and denigrate the name of religion in service of their petty grievances and political policies that they want to promote. They're much more evil. They're not merely hypocrites. I mean, we're not even going to get in there. They have a harmful agenda. Yeah. And they need to, you know, look at what's look at the Vatican. What about it? The Pope's not real. You know, like deal.
Starting point is 00:51:38 Why don't you deal with the problems within your church first and the heresies? Well, it's not even their church because they're all fucking converts. Well, it is. You can convert. I know I'm being a bitch, but isn't it curious and questionable how every single one of these people happens to be a convert? I don't know anything about this topic. I'm probably unqualified to speak on it, but it's a major red flag. A lot of them are prods too. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm talking about like, why is every person who's like counter signaling
Starting point is 00:52:08 quote, need to light on the internet mysteriously a Catholic convert? I'm just saying. Yeah. I don't get it. I would say this. I don't think that there's necessarily a coordinated campaign against BAP. Mm-hmm. You don't think Joyce Carol Oates is going to take you down? I just think that they share their petty grievances and also they share a lack of journalistic integrity and imagination.
Starting point is 00:52:47 So it starts to look coordinated. It starts to look like collusion. Well, because there's nothing else interesting. Right. It's just the most interesting thing that they know will get clicks. Attraction, yeah. Attraction primarily also from BAP supporters. Yeah. And they're, you know, it's true that they're like pro immigration, trad, cath, crypto, leftists, whatever, and they're diametrically opposed to the politics espoused by this new right.
Starting point is 00:53:16 But I think that even that is like incidental to the fact that A, they're just jealous that he's a popular and funny guy that commands loyalty for men and adoration for men. And B, they know it all harness clicks. Yeah. It's very simple. There's no like secret, ulterior conspiracy to get more quote, turd world immigrants into this country. I mean, there is, but not on this level. I mean, the way people would counter signal us in the early to mid days of the pot and even still
Starting point is 00:53:49 today, I think the mid, the mid, or the mid dare, but in the, in the salad days, you know, I feel like there was so many like, like that famous Jezebel hit piece that we love so much. It's just like that. It was just something to, to talk about that there was someone that was saying anything like descending. That's, well, that's, that's the sad and pathetic reality. Again, you're not the target. You're the collateral, anything else is incidental.
Starting point is 00:54:20 And the thing is though, everybody is secretly flattered by the attention. Everybody secretly enjoys reading about themselves and being the subject of rumors and speculation. It makes you feel important and dangerous. Even, even somebody like BAP is not immune to this mere mortal human impulse. And so of course, this like take economy persists. Yes. And more and more, it starts to like lose sight of reality and becomes more and more
Starting point is 00:54:53 divorced from like actual relevant cultural, social, philosophical phenomenon becomes entirely self-referential. And it's no one's fault, but we're all guilty of indulging in it. I mean, we're literally summarizing an article by quote Lomez and quote first things about the quote long has, and, but it starts to look like one of those ant mill death spirals. It does, you know, like when a group of ants gets separated from the rest of the colony and starts circling itself until they all die of like fatigue and dehydration. Well, to my fellow, I want to make a non-traditional Catholic happen.
Starting point is 00:55:41 Like I'm like, I'm actually a non-traditional Catholic and that I'm doing my own thing. Yeah. Much like Andy Warhol. Yes. You're queer and probably Polish. I'm queering. Queering it all. So it's queering it all.
Starting point is 00:55:57 Queering nature. But my message to, to these so-called trad cats who chimp out about Nietzschean propaganda being perpetuated is to read honestly, like, which is well read. Because no one fucking reads Nietzsche. Nobody reads. There's like four people who read Nietzsche. I mean, nobody reads period. No one reads period. No one knows how to read.
Starting point is 00:56:29 Nietzsche is asking too much. What is he hiding under that big bushy mustache? He's very readable. And you know, I know, I know, I would love him. I know he deals in aphorisms, which are practically tweets. Exactly. That's why people on Twitter love Nietzsche. He's like the original Twitter.
Starting point is 00:56:46 And he's a troll. He's a troll and he like, you know, is provoking, is provocative and all of this. But Francois Moirac, like I said in Kiss From the Leopard, the sort of ironic triumph of the Redeemer is also summarized by another great Catholic, like Morrissey, which is able to consolidate Nietzschean ideas by like shifting where the strength and power is found. And like Morrissey says, okay, it takes strength to be gentle and kind. It does.
Starting point is 00:57:38 It really does. And that's and the most chatted thing you can do is lay your life down for someone you love. That's true. And that's what Jesus did. And God so loved the world. He gave his only begotten son. Honestly, I think this is a little, I've always found that to be a little perverted.
Starting point is 00:57:58 What? That God so loved the world. He let his only son die so that we could be. Yes. See, I wouldn't do that because I'm a mere mortal. Exactly. But imagine, you know, the but having faith, but it, you know, all's well that ends well. All's well that ends well had to happen.
Starting point is 00:58:18 It didn't end so well, but it ended well enough. It ended well for us. For me and you personally. For human, for human. I mean, for us, it really didn't kind of well. But Moriak talks about this too in the English and joy of Christian life, is that like the the race has sort of made the scapegoat for the individual and that Christ was made the scapegoat for humanity.
Starting point is 00:58:42 Humanity, he was sacrificed so that we could have salvation. Right. And I think that's beautiful. And I don't think like, I don't know. I mean, personally, I think that's chatted. It's heated. Anyway, no, that's good. I like that. Oh, I wanted to point at the best part of the Lomas article.
Starting point is 00:59:17 For me was that the most troubling feature of the longhouse that he identifies is not quote, wokeness or cancel culture. It's that the longhouse distrusts over ambition. It censures the drive to assert oneself on the world to strike out for conquest and expansion. Male competition in the hierarchies that drive it are unwelcome, even constructive expressions of these instincts are deemed toxic, patriarchal or even racist, like Mark Andreessen toying around with chat GPT. So in this sea of bad faith attacks, I will offer my good faith critique to Lomas,
Starting point is 00:59:54 which I'm frankly like so surprised nobody mentioned. The longhouse is a concept that's basically tied to being online. How so? Well, you dwell in the longhouse of the mind because you're scrolling the timeline all the time. The internet and social media particularly turns even men into like persnickety lavender-haired busybodies who like gossip and snitch. We've said it before, the internet really is for girls and gays. It is, yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:31 When you are a call is coming from inside the longhouse. That's a good title. It's a good episode. We already use welcome to the longhouse. Yeah. Unfortunately, that's well received. Yes. Someone asked me recently about how I squared my Christian faith with being
Starting point is 01:00:58 a sort of a particularly ambitious or like willful person and I really was like, I'm on earth to do God's will. I don't. But that's what all like successful ambitious people would say, which is like my success and ambition is God's plan. Yeah. Yeah. God gave me, you know, I don't have.
Starting point is 01:01:28 I'm only as talented as I am extremely talented because that's what I'm saying that. Okay. That in and of itself on its face can be seen as like a rationalization of a kind of what? Just like, you know, you're rationalizing your success and ambition like handing it over to my satiable lust for power. Right. It's like supernatural powers, but my problem with like the kind of contemporary manifestations
Starting point is 01:02:01 of Christianity is that they're literally like hateful of an allergic to ambition. It's not that they have a distrust for it. They hate it. They love it. They're embarrassed by it. It's a giant cope. You can't begrudge other people for their success and ambition. It's literally just like an envy economy.
Starting point is 01:02:20 It's not even a jealousy economy. I wish it was a jealousy economy because people would be driven to accomplish things. But it's literally a bunch of persnickety bitches. I hate her, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is why his like ultimate prescription. Are you going to hate from outside the club? You can't even get in.
Starting point is 01:02:42 You can't even get in. I love that song. I know me too. What year is that? Talk about the talk about our anti-Christ. Talk about our devilish dancer. This is a very Chris Brown. That was a long time ago, dude.
Starting point is 01:03:02 Wait, I'm going to look this up. 2015, I'm going to guess. That song came out. I was on my way over here. I was thinking about how I wish people in your neighborhood would play Mr. Brightside instead of all this rap music. If the people on your block were blasting Mr. Brightside, I'd be smiling.
Starting point is 01:03:28 Look at me now. 2011. Oh, no. That's such a long time ago. Yellow bottle sipping, yellow Lamborghini, yellow top missing. I love that song. Me too.
Starting point is 01:03:44 Yeah, I never like the racist conservatives on Twitter who are like rap is an impoverished and shitty medium. It's not real music. I mean, it's not real music. I don't mean that in a mean way. It's a separate art form. It's valid. Poetry set to beats.
Starting point is 01:04:05 It's not necessarily a musical medium. However, it's one of the pinnacles of African American creativity and ingenuity. I'm sorry. I'm going to say American period, honestly. I mean, I was talking. I had this conversation with Eli. What else has America done?
Starting point is 01:04:25 I mean, I guess jazz, but I ain't got no time for jazz. You ain't got no time for jazz. I don't care about jazz. Honestly, I was thinking about how jazz disappeared off the face of the earth. I wouldn't miss it. But if rap did, I would be upset. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:40 But it is. It's an African American thing. It's no Mr. Brightside. But it's not a black thing. It's an African thing because if you go across the world and listen to rap from France or England or Russia or Senegal, it sucks in comparison to American rap. So true.
Starting point is 01:05:01 So true, Queen. I mean, the French and the British have their bangers. But they're, you know, it's a shadow of what we've accomplished here in the United States. It's not as clever as what the Americans achieve. I agree. But and I take bigger issue just with the whole like anti-modernist kind of, you know, I'm like, just.
Starting point is 01:05:24 Yeah, but grow up, you know, living in this neighborhood for four or five years now. I kind of, I've come around to the fact that I'd rather be hearing Mr. Brightside. Well, it's one of the best songs I've ever made. I should just march myself over to the bodega and be like, hey, fellas, can you put on Mr. Brightside? You're going to want to get a portable speaker.
Starting point is 01:05:50 They'd probably like it though, honestly. I think they'd be down with it. It's a banger, dude. It's a great song. It is. Yeah. I was my only my only critique of Mr. Brightside is I wish it was longer.
Starting point is 01:06:12 That's actually, you know that because I got a pod. That meme that was going around. That was like what's like the best opening lyric. And I said, press me down, but it's clearly Mr. Brightside. Coming out of my cage and I'm doing just fine. It's so good. And I love that ambiguously gay, but unambiguously beautiful Brandon Flowers with his like under eye guy liner.
Starting point is 01:06:44 Las Vegas excellence. Some of the best things to come to Las Vegas is the killers and me and Hoover, Hoover Dam. Is Hoover Dam's like on the at the intersection of Vegas and some other areas. Arizona. Yeah. It's like on another, yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:05 Anyway, how long? We've done an hour and eight minutes on the long house. Okay. So we should talk about Raul Dahl. Which ties in well. It does. Yeah. Because it's an example of being long house.
Starting point is 01:07:21 They're trying to long house my man, Raul Dahl, who I didn't even know is anti-Semitic. I love that. He said, and then I stinker like Hitler didn't pick on them for no reason. But anyway, before we move on to that, Lomas, he kind of phoned in the prescription at the end of the essay.
Starting point is 01:07:37 Nobody has a solution or an answer for, you know, still we must resist the soft authoritarianism of the long houses. We be moralism. We must not succumb to hysterical pleas for more safety, more consensus, more sensitivity. Ennobling work awaits us, but we must first recognize the long house for what it is and be willing to leave behind
Starting point is 01:07:59 its false comforts. We've been recognizing what the long house is since 2018 on this podcast. But like, what does that mean? I mean, to me, it means not being like performatively outraged, but secretly flattered every time you're mentioned in like a Patrick Deneen tweet or a James Pogue article, which, which is, you know, easier said than
Starting point is 01:08:27 done. I didn't really read. Yeah. Yeah. It like, well, yeah, it buys into the, the speech policing or whatever. It justifies it by responding to it. Yeah, it means, you know, it gives it more power.
Starting point is 01:08:41 Resisting, turning yourself into a meme. It means keeping your head down and playing the long game. None of us have that ability. Not a single one of us were all such slaves to the long house at the end of the day. That's the real problem at the passage prize and similar rogue, what's it called rogue scholar press and
Starting point is 01:09:06 asylum magazine and all these like small presses and publications are trying to get at that. They're trying to harness some discipline and concentration. Yes. But I also think it's like a new paradigm and you have to like adapt to it and like roll with it because nobody can escape it, which is bleak.
Starting point is 01:09:33 It's bleaker than I'd like to, I don't know. I, I think we will, we are going to win at least a good, you know, we might not, but that's a dream big. Yeah, true. I mean, you have to believe you're going to win or you'll never win. That's true.
Starting point is 01:09:56 You can't really, you can't just resign yourself to. No, no, I mean, I'm not even resigning myself. I feel like very optimistic and like. We're some of the greatest emancipators. We are. We're like sojourner true. I'm like Abraham Lincoln up in here. I'm like Rosa Parks.
Starting point is 01:10:19 I'm smoking sakes on the bus. I'm vaping at the Yale political union. But I do think I guess the positive, the upside, the silver lining is that every time people melt down about one of these articles, it brings more attention to that camp. And I think anybody who's like sane and not retarded who looks into it will be like, Hey, this is like better
Starting point is 01:10:53 than the alternative. Hey, all press is good for us. I mean, you know, back in the day when people kept calling us crypto fascists and like stress, stress red browns. I was like, what? That one made me depressed because it made me think of the like last two or three days
Starting point is 01:11:13 of bleeding. Yeah. Or how you get diarrhea on your first day of your period. Sorry. Uncooth. But yeah, but I didn't even, I was like, huh? I was like, what do y'all mean?
Starting point is 01:11:29 And then I was like, oh, why do you get diarrhea on the first day of your period? That's a very like Lindy man observation. I know. Thank you. She's doing a Japanese style bow. As I sit by Yuzu hard salt there. I think it has to do, this is just my guess,
Starting point is 01:11:54 with the swelling of your uterus prior to your period that makes you constipate it. What does Dr. Pete have to, oh, and then you, and then there's some, I don't know. It's gross. I'm sorry. Our bodies are literally long houses. They're like Grendel's mother, mud huts.
Starting point is 01:12:12 Well, this is why I'm, you know, I want the red tent back. I don't want seclusion. Yes. I want out of the long house. I want women separate from society when they're on their period so they can have diarrhea and bleed in a hole or whatever and hang out with
Starting point is 01:12:27 their girls. Yeah. I love hanging out with my girls. That's my new thing. It's my new personality. I love hanging out with my girls. I love my, I would die. I would fight and die in a war for my girls, you
Starting point is 01:12:38 know, and I think it would be nice if we could all, you know, we could congregate on our, during our menstrual cycles and not have to, you know, participate. When I was like seven or eight years old, my mom sat me down. It was like, Anna, you know, the Indian squalls in the Americas used to go into a secluded area
Starting point is 01:13:05 when they were menstruating or going into labor and they would bleed and give birth into the moss. Beautiful. And I was like, honestly, work bitch. She meant it in a positive way. Yeah. No, I think that's, there's something to that for sure. It's better than like-
Starting point is 01:13:25 They use the whole damn animal. Stuffing up your pussy with micro plastics and like walking around being a bitch to people. Has there ever been a more pertinent metaphor for the longhouse than the tampon? Anyway, should we talk about Raul Dahl? Right, right, right. Raul Dahl.
Starting point is 01:13:53 They are long housing. Long housing. Poshmishly. By publishing a new edition of his works that does away with, I'm not totally, it seems like his old, the old versions will still be available. And it's, I also read in my precursory kind of searches is that like in Europe, countries are not going to, you know.
Starting point is 01:14:21 I thought this was a Fox News Psyop when I read about it. So I looked it up and it's strangely enough, like the Guardian NPR and some like legitimate liberal outlets were reporting on it. So I guess it's real. No one likes it and no one wants it. So they're not, they're not actually censoring Raul Dahl across the board, which would be depressing.
Starting point is 01:14:46 They're customizing the censorship for brittle American liberals, which is somehow even more depressing. You're right. Because if you're- Puffin is releasing a new edition of Raul Dahl's books that are less problematic. Yeah, but of course, if you are a parent who's a Raul Dahl reader and fan, you can easily find the old editions.
Starting point is 01:15:16 Right. No, it's really, it's, publishing is, it's such a fucking racket. I have some other, I have some more stats to drop. In 2022, only 28, I saw delicious tacos, tweeting about this, only 28 books sold more than half a million copies. Like the vast- One of them was Emily Raduchkowski's, My Body. What date was that?
Starting point is 01:15:45 That might have come out the year prior, but it was definitely one of the best selling books easily. Mequible. But the fact is that publishing is a, it's a racket. It's a totally like hollow. You can't even call it an institution. No. And that all they do is turn out material basically nobody wants.
Starting point is 01:16:07 Yeah. Like altered Raul Dahl books. Do you have an attachment to Raul Dahl? I do because I grew up reading him. Yeah, yeah. What's your, what's your favorite? I read like Matilda, I read James and the Giant Peach. I read The Witches, the, the Twits.
Starting point is 01:16:23 Yes. Obviously I was like, you know, Matilda I could relate to. Matilda was my fave because I love the messed up. As a lonely and bookish. Exactly, as a genius. And precociously intelligent. Precociously intelligent young woman. Whose reading levels are way above the national norm.
Starting point is 01:16:43 Sorry, I'm sorry. But that's, that's the whole point of Matilda is that she was so intellectually precocious in a, in a way that confounded and defied her retarded parents and her retarded educators. So the references to Rudyard Kipling and Joseph Conrad. Or meant to drive home this fact. Yes. But of course, the white man's burden, heart of darkness, whatever. Right.
Starting point is 01:17:14 What I always enjoyed about Matilda was that it, the, the point of it to me was that like adults don't know everything. They hardly, they don't know anything at all. And I think that's an empowering, yeah. So the old Matilda said she went on an old and day sailing. She went on old and day sailing ships with Joseph Conrad. She went to Africa with Ernest Hemingway and to India with Rudyard Kipling. Now says she went to 19th century estates with Jane Austen.
Starting point is 01:17:45 She went to Africa with Ernest Hemingway in California with John Steinbeck, which all just seems so arbitrary and random. Well, you can't, you can't say Joseph Conrad and Rudyard Kipling because they were white male racists. Of course. Was Ernest Hemingway racist? I mean, I'm sure, but he's for some, for some reason, probably because he was a communist. And so is Steinbeck. Here's an amendment from the witches.
Starting point is 01:18:13 Even if she is working as a cashier in a supermarket or typing letters for a businessman, and now reads, even if she is working as a top scientist or running a business. Joseph Conrad, by the way, he's like remarkable. Yeah, yes. That's, that's one artistic influence that I can 100% get behind with BAP. Like the man was a genius. He saw the world like no other. I think he didn't speak English until he was like 19 or 20, because he's Polish.
Starting point is 01:18:50 And then he became like a ship's mate and sailed around the world and did a bunch of crazy shit. But there was, I'm trying to find this really brilliant thread that I retweeted by my friend, Yerke. Sorry, but the entire point is that children notice the ugliness and grotesquery of certain adults and the narrative deliberately addresses itself to and affirms that that childhood experience in all of its suspicions, it's really disgusting condescending in the extreme in fact obvious which behavior to replace this moment of authorial sympathy and solidarity with the worst kind of liberal kitch, platitude, prioritizing adult sensibilities over childhood intuition.
Starting point is 01:19:38 That's really the genius of Raul Dahl is that he speaks to the intensified and extreme and like pure experience of what it feels like to be a child where you're like literally smaller in scale, but you're more innocent and naive. So you can intuit pathology and perversion that adults not so much don't perceive, but that they repress and suppress out of like social pressure, which they know do. Yeah. And yeah, like the rebellious spirit of his books as well. And I mean, have these people not read like a fairy tale before? Like aren't fairy tales famously grim?
Starting point is 01:20:40 And deal with like what is a children's book that is so good night racism? That's the only thing that kids are allowed to read? Well, this happened earlier with the do you know that book series of like horror stories? Was it called? What was it called? Scary stories to tell in the dark. Yeah, scary stories. When they updated the legitimately frightening and uncanny illustrations of like the wolf girl and the girl with the spider coming out of her face to be more like anodyne and like palatable. This is an example of safetyism.
Starting point is 01:21:28 Yes. Like truly. Textbook. But the whole idea, yeah, is that he really accurately conveys the experience of being a child through the perspective of a child in which everything is like overly intense and exaggerated in part, obviously owing to the child's diminutive size and in part owing to the purity of his perception, which is beautiful. It's amazing. It's why he's been an enduring literary figure for so long. But wait, did you know he said all this anti-Semitic stuff? I sure did. He's made reference to powerful American Jewish bankers and asserted that the US government
Starting point is 01:22:06 was utterly dominated by the great Jewish financial institutions over there. Then he said, there's a trait in the Jewish character that does provoke animosity. Maybe it's a kind of lack of generosity towards non-Jews. I mean, this is this is the John Murray cut a he or deal of civility line. Jews provoke expressions of anti-Semitism sometimes, which leads them to double down on their identitarianism and ethno-narcissism because it seems to prove them right that people hate them because they are the chosen ones. This is a very uncontroversial and obvious point that everyone, including Jews, agrees with. It's not even anti-Semitic. The Hitler thing was
Starting point is 01:23:01 charming. Hey, you called Hitler a stinker. Exactly. He wasn't showing for Hitler. He's not a Nazi. Just a good old-fashioned anti-Semite. He also claimed that Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon was hushed up in the newspapers because they are primarily Jewish owned and went on to say, I'm certainly anti-Israel and I've become anti-Semitic in his images that you get a Jewish person in another country like England strongly supporting Zionism. I think they should see both sides. It's the same old thing. We all know about Jews and the rest of it. There aren't any non-Jewish publishers anywhere. They control
Starting point is 01:23:36 the media. They're all dolls, anti-Semitic quotes. I just think we should really draw attention to these things he said. It's shocking. There aren't any non-Jewish publishers anywhere. They control the media. Jolly clever thing to do. That's why the President of the United States has to sell all his stuff to Israel. Poor of all dolls. If he was alive today, he'd wish the Jews were still in charge. I know. They actually published his work unedited with all those Joseph Conrad and Rudyard Kipling references in there. I know the Jews really should have. Now they've got these women in publishing that aren't doing anyone any favors. Yeah. It's like some race grifter woman wearing an Ilhan Omar turban hijab who's fully white. Get the Jays back in publishing. Get them
Starting point is 01:24:31 back in Hollywood. There are certain things that I think Jews are unfairly targeted for. I like their clickishness and nepotism. Same. I like that they're good with money. I'm not an anti-Semitic unliked doll. I think that they should be. I find their moral superiority merely irritating. It's not a deal breaker for me. I can run with it. Yeah. I'm on board. We like being condescended too. Our interests are aligned. Yeah. These are fairly harmless and sensible comments from Raul Dahl. The other thing is Raul Dahl fun fact is an incredible adult author of short stories. I've heard this but have not read any of his. Incredible. Mature works. The story about how list the composer is reincarnated as a cat and becomes the toast of the town and the cat's owner
Starting point is 01:25:33 is so besotted and proud and her jealous husband kills the cat. The story about the Chesterton being chopped up. The story about the guy who becomes a brain in a vat. There's so many. The man genuinely had such a dark and perverted vision of life but it was so funny. Yeah. He's like the original BAP. How can you be grudge Raul Dahl? The man's a genius. I saw some takes on the timeline that were like, yeah, you know, I was really never into Raul Dahl. He didn't really hit. Are you kidding me? That's like when people say like, oh yeah, like Picasso kind of sucks. Yeah. I know. Grow up. His old paintings were better. I'm sorry. Grow up. What are you talking about? I have a very vivid memory of being. I must have
Starting point is 01:26:27 been like fourth grade or something and I was like, you know, I was always interested in the art. So I happened to know that, you know, about Picasso and stuff. And I remember a teacher showing us a slide of like an early Picasso painting and a later Picasso painting and being like, which one do you think he painted later in his life? And I was like, raising my hand. I was like, I know, I fucking know, but she, this school marm, this bitch, this fucking long house, long house wench, this long house wench was like trying to make a point. So she wouldn't let me answer even though I fucking knew. Women can be long house too. Amen, sister. Yeah. And I spent my whole life being long house by educators and administrators. I don't like it in there. I
Starting point is 01:27:13 don't know. It's hard to get out. I remember when I was filing my paperwork to graduate high school here early because I wanted out of the long house so badly. There being some particularly unpleasant school marms. We were like, but you're going to miss the senior trip to Disneyland and stuff. And I was like, bitch, I don't care. I'm out of here. I'm trying to get fingered by a music major. I went to summer school. I did. I went to online. You Mickey Mouse ass bitch. I'm leaving high school. I don't want to be here. Give me the fuck out of here. I can't stay here another year to go on a senior trip with a bunch of boobs. I don't even like, you know, when people are like, they're just like the mean girls in high school. They're high school. Me pushed into the locker
Starting point is 01:28:13 high school. Dude, high school for me was a blur. Yeah, because I was trying to GTFO. I have no, I was definitely was not popular. I was mean, certainly. Yeah. But I was not like, cool. Really, girls going their own way. You know, I was just trying to do my own thing. Yeah. Get out to California where I could be sexually active. Me too. And I'm asking my trying to go to New York body count. I was trying to go to New York because I have no imagination. It was the closest big city. No, I wish I had me Puerto Rican and Dominican guys and red pill them on raw doll. Yo, you heard what he say about the Jews and the Oompa Loompa. Oh, yeah, Augustus Gloop. They are no longer calling him fat.
Starting point is 01:29:18 They changed it to enormous. The whole point is you have fatty, fat, fat, fat, fuck. But I think that this kind of daddy, I want it now. Daddy. Daddy, I want it now. I love how the baby says daddy because he says it in a British accent. Daddy, daddy. That's so cute. And there's some speculation that children speak in a British accent. No. Kind of like girls on TikTok have Tourette's or multiple personality because they're all watching Peppa the Pig. Oh, cute. Fun. Which could be. But I don't let my kid anywhere near Peppa the Pig. It's not. What are you into? Paw Patrol. Yeah. It's not a bad show, actually. And it's not woke. It's cute. It's cute. And I love the illustration. It's just a big old
Starting point is 01:30:16 nothing burger. There's no lessons. Like you watch all children's entertainment from like the olden days. And there's something always very sad and cruel about it. Well, I, I watched a lot of like 70s Soviet Soviet movies. Yeah, I watched a book. It's really funny how the wolf and nupuk ideas. And the weird sexual tension between him and the rabbit. Yeah, I watched a lot of like Soviet movie because that's what my parents watched. So they wanted to like indoctrinate me. So I was very, I, yeah, I was also very accustomed to children's programming, having very strong messaging. Like the communitarian undercurrent of the pilot episode of Chaburashka. Yeah. When they built the little schools
Starting point is 01:31:21 where we would go and they all, they all come together and but that was nice for me as a child, you know. Yeah. And looked great. It looked great. Yeah. In retrospect, nupuk idea was probably a shameless knockoff of Tom and Jerry. Yeah, it was, it was so big. Remember that? Do you remember their Christmas episode? No. But I remember when I was a little kid, my mom would be like, well, you know, the Americans, they stole everything from us. They stole Winnie the Pooh. They stole Vinnie Pooh. They stole like all, and I was just like, what are you talking about, bitch? Also wasn't Winnie the Pooh British? Yeah. But it's funny that they had that. But Vinnie Pooh is better. It's better. Vocal fry. Yeah, I have a lot of very fond memories of Soviet cartoons,
Starting point is 01:32:29 actually. And then there was, what's the famous Yuri Norstein one? Not Hedgehog in the Fog. Yeah, Hedgehog in the Fog, Yoshek Tomani, which is sad, right? It teaches some very adult life lessons. And he encounters the horse on his way to meet his friend. And it's like surreal and psychedelic. It's kind of better than Dikiriko, no offense. Yes. And I remember even being like a kid in American school and reading this book called Where the Red Fern Grows, which is about a boy and his two dogs. And they're going coon hunting. And one of the dogs is like vivisected by a mountain lion and the other dog dies of heartbreak. I remember balling for days. I haven't read this one. It was great. It was assigned reading in elementary school.
Starting point is 01:33:28 There was also, I'm going to look it up because I want to get the title right. I'm going to edit. There's that. Listening to literal children's music. There is a song about Africa that I really liked as a kid. I don't even remember. I had like a tape of like Russian children's music that I would also listen to that. There was a lot of like unintentionally like naively racist stuff. There was a book that I read. I think it was called Titchiba about a black slave who was like accused of evil and sorcery. And her companion is a cat. And I remember vividly how she throws water at the cat because she wants it to flee so it's not killed. And I remember like balling my eyes out at that
Starting point is 01:34:27 because this woman's life was ruined and she was forced to part with her closest companion. Like those are the kind of books we read like growing up. Of course Carlsson, who lives in Carlsson, who lives in Foxy. Is this it? Oh yeah, I know the song. Something about eating bananas. I don't know if that song is about it. It's a it's a banger too. It's called Chugachanga. But yeah, of course, like the conservative outrage over Roald Dahl is I think it's it's crossed the spectrum like libs. No one's happy about it. No one's happy, but it's not like conservative children are going to be reading a conservative children.
Starting point is 01:35:37 Children of conservative parents will not be reading the children of conservative experience. Yes, will not be reading the updated editions of Roald Dahl because they don't read at all. Yeah, I don't know how. No, somebody somebody tried to sun me because I said like kids aren't reading at all, which is a joke. And they were like kids actually are reading more than ever, but adults are not which I maybe. Okay, thanks school marm. Thanks for the fact check. Compliance officer. What are you some kind of compliance officer? This plays into the whole idea like quote, national divorce, which we don't have to get into. It's just like society is going to become more polarized. Yeah, certain people will read and watch certain things and certain other people
Starting point is 01:36:27 will read and watch other things. Yeah. And perhaps this is natural. Yeah, it's, you know, you argued pro polarization. Yeah. Maybe it could yield something cool. The thrust of my argument really was that as our society, not to talk about my amazing yeah, as things become increasingly like long house safety ties, long house, whatever, that they become inconsequential, and that polarization is good just because consequences follow. Right. One hopes the Roald Dahl thing probably it. Sorry, I'm like so drunk. I just like gather my thoughts. I think I forgot about the consequences. Something about consequences, polarization.
Starting point is 01:37:39 Conservative kids. Oh, yeah, it's like, kind of like the long house has to create jobs for surplus women. It has to also create activities for those surplus women to do such as like censoring historic authors deemed problematic, graphic designing. Right. I don't think that there's even I think like the ideological objection to his like racism and antisemitism is almost like incidental to the fact that it's like an activity for them to do like to comb through all his books and find all the instances of wrong think and purge them. Netflix apparently acquired the rights to definitely Matilda and maybe the rest of his There's already a Matilda movie. They're making another one with Mara Wilson who's like a noted
Starting point is 01:38:36 libtard on Twitter. Hates Nick Mullen famously. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Nice. Um, it'd be funny if Adam married Chelsea Clinton and Nick married Mara Wilson. I forgot. There you said Netflix. Excuse me. Oh, I love what the raped us to my voice that automatically kermit Netflix acquired the rights to Matilda. They're making like a Matilda musical for Netflix or something. And that people are speculating that has something to do with the recent blah, blah. But I'm not sure I didn't look into it too. They're making Matilda black. They're probably well, dude. She's like, I read Malcolm X and W E B Dubois. Well, you know, they did the Wednesday
Starting point is 01:39:35 Adams spin off on Netflix. Do you watch that? Of course not. Come on. Um, and some people took Umbridge with her being Hispanic. But of course, Gomez Adams is of his latin. So Loma's Adams. He's a passionate Latin lover archetype. Yeah. Um, so if a and Morticia is also some kind of mad Morticia is something at best. I love the Adams family. Me too. I really do. I thought that that's a hot couple when we really hit rock bottom is when they make the Adams family less macabre. I know. I have a prophetic vision of them being like de gothifying the Adams family. De goth, but it's like Mia goth playing Morticia. I remember thinking like Morticia Adams played by Angelica Houston was like the most beautiful
Starting point is 01:40:40 woman when I was a kid. Phenomenal. And like in retrospect, I think she was supposed to be like like frightening and uncanny. I like the original Morticia myself. Yeah, she was good. I like Elvira who was kind of a Morticia like character, but with huge fake tits, fake tits. Um, the same actress who plays Morticia on the original Adams family should place her cousin Ophelia, who's blonde, who I also really like. They're going to make Pugsley skinny. Yeah, they're going to make them not so and fester will be trans. You'll be non binary. So our weird they them. Don't call them our uncle. This could actually be good. This is a good workshop. We've got a great idea.
Starting point is 01:41:33 Just Mia Farrow and her mixed brood in the Adams family. What's more macabre than that? We could show is shall we? Yeah, we can wrap it up. Pick up the paperback of the passage prize stock up on the old editions of for all doll, Nietzsche and Christianity. Oh, okay.

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