Red Scare - The Heart is a Lonely Hunter

Episode Date: October 20, 2020

The ladies discuss Hunter Biden's hard drive, Billie Eilish's body reveal, Stevie Nicks' abortion comments and The NYT's Modern Love piece on what happens when you marry a sociopath. Suggested reading below.

Now we're back. Wait, talking to your mic? Hello, hello. Okay. Yeah. Okay. We really gotta get on the zoom. I know. I'll put it on the expense account. Yeah. Yeah, we're back. That's it. Nothing to report here. Sorry, I was like trying to pluck a stubborn hair from this microphone. All the cat hair on our microphones. Disgusting. I feel like Miss Habasham. Hunter Biden, the big news story. Yeah. One or zero on the binary. I see his appeal. A one. Yeah, but I mean, not a hard one. It's not a hard one. It's a binary system, you know, you know, you, but definitely he's the hottest guy in the Democratic Party. Is he in the demo? No, I don't think so, but he's probably not even registered. He's a Democratic adjacent. Yeah.

He's a one for me for sure. I get his kind of mystique. I mean, there is no mystique. What about the tortured look in his eyes? If that's not mystique, he has like the pained and broken look of like a pit bull who's been in like a fighting ring in his whole life or like a guy who did 10 years for like manslaughter or something. Exactly. He like didn't mean to, but he fucked up. Yeah. Well, the text, the New York Post then leaked those like texts with his dad where he was like, I'm just a fucking fucked up addict who can't be trusted. And Joe's, the Joe Joe comes off very well actually in his, his loving texts to his corrupt drug addicted son. It was really weird for me to see people like say that somehow Joe being a normal loving

father to son is like inimical to the Trump camp. Like I'm sure people understand that like family members are nicer and more loyal to each other for the most part than they are to like random strangers. Yeah. I bet Trump's a very good father to Baron. Yeah. He like pats him on the back and switches on the arsenal game. He has a bunch of, you know, he has a bunch of kids, you know, he likes Ivanka. Yeah. She's got a lot of nice texts from her daddy. I think he's proud of Ivanka and he's proud of Baron, not so much of the other two or the other three. I keep forgetting about Tiffany. Sorry. The black sheep of the Trump family. Yeah. He forgets about her too. He was probably surprised when she showed up at the Republican convention. He was like, who is that?

Gorgeous blonde. Oh, the dogs. Oh, it's just Tiffany. Sorry. Only the tiniest references here about the camera. Here's a funny tweet I saw. Honestly, I'm kind of struggling with how Biden can be so kind to his drug using Sun while knowingly enacting policy that's so violently callous to all other people who use drugs. Really? You're having a lot of dissonance there? Like the Twitter people often sound like they grew up in like a hospital bubble. They have no concept of family dynamics or family values or how families work period. Yeah. They're not quite feral because they seem coddled and affluent, but like what? Yeah. Of course, it's family first. I mean, Dick Cheney loved his lesbian daughter. Yeah, so much that he changed his tune on LGBT

rights. So maybe Biden will come around on crack smoking offenders. Yeah. No. What are you saying? No, but also it's hard to, it's like is Joe being like really kind and empathetic? It feels like also he's doing that classic boomer parenting move where he confuses like rhetorical uplift and cheerleading for actual involvement and investment. Right. That's right. Like Pat on the back, A plus A for effort to my beautiful crack addicted son. I hope it's going well. A very expensive rehab I sent you. The Beau Biden Foundation rehab facility. But like, yeah, I don't know. I mean, and then I saw another take that was like really that I think was a little bit too cynical. Even for me, that was like, don't you guys get it? Joe's just being really nice to Hunter because he wants to make sure

that Hunter doesn't blow up his spot before the election and like spill the demon. Well, those, the texts were technically before he began as presidential, but not that that means anything. But no, of course, he loves his son. Yeah. I don't think like Joe is playing 40 chess with his son so that he doesn't leak political secrets. Yeah. He's playing 40 chess with the like Ukrainian gas company. He made Hunter a part of a board member. Yeah. I still think that I wish I could give the Democrats credit, but it would be cool if this was like a Democratic sigh up to make them appear cooler, which it is. Which it never is. Because like they need, they need an injection of crack cocaine. I mean, Hunter is the best thing that the Biden Kamala ticket has going for it. I mean,

I mean, once again, I missed the deadline somehow to register, but I felt relieved actually when the deadline passed. I was like, it was like last week or something. So it's over for you. It's over for me. I don't have to pretend like I might register to vote. Yeah. On a wild whim. You can just say that you were like suffering from like MS or Lyme's or Fibromyalgia. I couldn't get out of bed that day. Fuck, I forgot. It slipped my mind. Sorry. Sorry, I have a lot on my plate right now. I forgot what I was going to say. Yeah, but it made me, it endeared the Bidens to me because I was like, I'd like to get Hunter in the mix. Yeah. Some dime square influence. Some dime square pussy.

Well, sorry, pussy, Hunter Biden. The commissar. The secretary. What was the thing? Our father figure slash guardian angel Steve Bannon is somehow involved with this. Speaking of which. Oh, yes. I thought you were going to say Glenn Greenwald because he was tweeting about the, because they censored the, the article with the Oh yeah. We wrote an article. Yeah. Welcome to the Red Scare podcast where we summarize Matt Tyvee. Save yourself a Matt Tyvee subscription and channel that money over to Red Scare podcast where we'll tell you what it was about. What was the, so basically we should recap somebody. Yeah. How did this, how did these picks come to, come to light? Somebody, a customer

which who was not able to be positively ID'd as Hunter Biden came into a, a Delaware computer repair show with a water damaged laptop. He spilled bong water all over. It happens to the best of us. He was busy performing a golden shower and missed some hot ass chicks squirted all over it and broke his computer. But so he basically handed this damaged computer over, wanted to extract the hard drive or like save it. They're the, the shop owner could not positively ID who the customer was, but he had reflective aviators on. Yeah. He was just like the Unabomber. The Unabomber was a pussyhound. So he forked over the, this did not stop the shop owner from forking over the computer in its contents to the FBI. The FBI seized it not before the owner

made a copy of the hard drive with all of its incriminating contents, which sounds fishy. And then he handed off that copy to Rudy Giuliani's lawyer. Yeah. And so where Steve Bannon comes in is that he told the post about the existence of the hard drive in late September. So like a month before it leaked and Giuliani finally provided it the post of the copy on Sunday. So that's the timeline. Okay. So Giuliani possibly in cahoots with Bannon. Yeah. The article you sent me was also about some Chinese billionaire mogul who Bannon was like floating around on a yacht. Yeah. That's the one. That's the guy who's yacht on which he was arrested. Sorry. Very cool. Yeah. Because they were scheming on how to overthrow the Communist Party on observing maritime law,

which we know about from the boat party last year. Wait, what's the deal with maritime law? Refresh my memory. It means you have to put the coke in your pussy before you go aboard the China Shelley boat. Oh, right. Who does maritime law? I don't have no idea about maritime laws. I just remember everyone talking about it when the boat party was happening. And jokes on them. I put the coke in my butt hole to keep it warm. I made a hot toddy. So this hard drive, let's see what it could be. A lot of Searswood's not adding up for me is I bet there would have been more incriminating stuff on the hard drive. Maybe there is and it won't still. It hasn't been leaked yet. It hasn't been leaked yet. But also, there's no way that Hunter doesn't have someone who can fix

his computer discreetly. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it doesn't he live at the Chateau Marmont? Yeah, probably go to Delaware. I don't think embattled sons of presidential candidates and former VEAPs allow civilians to fix their computers like something in the milk ain't clean. It's weird. No matter how high on crack they are. Yeah. Doesn't being a drug addict enhance your paranoid delusions? Right. Maybe he was on a real bender. Maybe he blacked out and had to get his computer fix. Well, so this hard drive contains a trove of X-rated sexually explicit material of him doing crack while having sex with an unidentified woman, picks of him nodding off after smoking crack, the selfies. Also not adding up for me. Yeah. Wait, why not?

Well, because crack is an upper. Oh, right. Typically, you don't take a hit of crack and nod off. Yeah, but it's exhausting to be such a marathon drug addict. Yeah. Well, that pick might as well be photoshopped in my estimation, honestly, or staged because it just doesn't. I tried. So I took that pick with my jewel where I'm doing a pretending to be Hunter Biden and it was very hard to keep it in my mouth while pretending to be a slack job. Yeah, while pretending to be asleep. Well, maybe he has that thing you have where he grinds his job for something. I don't know. I'm reaching here. So then there's like family photos of him with

his kids and his other dad family members and Joe. And then there's all these correspondences between him and a top executive of Burisma, which he sat on the board of. And that's why they were turned over to the FBI, not because of the dick pics. Yeah, probably. The guy was like, oh my God, I've got to see this. It's huge. This is a security threat. I think they're the girth alone is. Is there a dick pic? Yeah, allegedly. But they haven't been leaked. They're holding out. I read in Dean Kisick's column in Spike Art that it was being passed around Lucien. People were looking at it there. So maybe it leaks internally from our extended friend group. Yeah, but how did they get their

grimy, greasy little paws on it? He's probably been around the block. Oh, yeah. I see the immediate block. Yeah. I want to see the Hunter Biden dick pic. In the mirror selfie with his shirt off, there's like a glossier and iconic puffy pink glossier bag like in the corner. Yeah. So you know that girl's using boy brow. Yeah. That's our first clue. Yeah, that's what we call local trim. Hunter seems like he has good taste in women. I really respect that he like knocked up a stripper. He's like T-Pain. He fell in love with a stripper. I mean, that's like a real man. He seems like a real romantic. Yeah. Well, there was an article in The Times a couple months ago about his art career. Did you see that one? Oh, right. I remember that. Yeah. Featuring his kind of like

it's funny that his medium is kind of like blowing ink. He's like obsessed with like bringing a straw near the periphery of his face. So he makes these like blown ink kind of abstract. He has a nervous tick. He's a sensitive guy. He does legitimately seem like a very sensitive guy. I'm sure he hasn't had an easy life. He's probably a four on the enneagram type. Yeah, totally. What's his sign? Is he a Pisces? Well, aren't male Pisces notorious junkies? Yeah, they are due to the ceaseless torments of their soul. Yeah, of measuring up with Kurt Cobain. So Hunter Biden, I'm going to look up the whole chart. Yeah, do it. The funniest part of all this is this quote from the host. Oh, yeah. No, I knew this. I talked about this on Dan's pod

with Maddie. He's an Aquarius, has the same birthday as my mother. Oh, wow. So yeah, he's rebellious like an Aquarius would be his moons in Capricorn. Surprising. Well, that's why he's a, you know, so, so traditional and brilliant. He might be Pisces rising. So that's why he presents so chaotically. I just think that it's cool that he goes around nutting in women indiscriminately. I understand that's not for everyone because not everyone has the means to pay, but my feeling is like if you do, then you should. He was born on the exact day and year of my mother 1970. Wow. He looks hot here. Hunter Nykrosov. Yeah, he, I mean, he's, he's not bad. He looks kind of like Ben Stiller in Zoolander or something. You know, what distinguishes him from the other

political mix is that he has those large and sensitive and watery eyes that are very like poetic and lyrical. I think he's hotter than the Kennedys. I'll say that much. Yeah, I would agree. They were, they always look bloated and like they have some sort of like liver kidney disease, not really into the Kennedy look. They're a little, a little speckled. I think Jack, I do think Jackie is beautiful. Yeah, but I mean, the male Kennedys never did anything for me. And I think she married into the family. Yeah, she's not one of them. But the funniest part is the, this quote from the post where they talk about how Joe Biden lashed out during a Democratic primary town hall in Iowa where a man accused of sending Hunter to Ukraine to get a job and work

for a gas company. He had no experience with gas or nothing in order to get access to the president. And Joe Biden called him a damn liar and berated him for being fat and challenged him to do push ups together. When was this? In December. How come nobody reports when like Joe Biden was a troll? He said, you're a damn liar man and challenged him to do push ups together, man. He sounds pretty gay. Fellas is a gay to have a push up contest with a political adversary. It's like some Ken Bone. Then why was Hunter Biden in Ukraine? Rehab, I don't think so. We know the best ones are in Thailand and stuff. Well, where'd JP go? He went to Moscow. We know the best ones are somewhere in Russia. Well, that's, I don't think that would have been his choice. I think his kind of

psychosexual fixation on Russia was metabolized by his daughter, Makayla. She's always kind of had to deal with his projected Soviet obsession. And so that's why she sent him. Being named Makayla because it's supposedly a Russian homage, but just makes her sound like an HGTV host, depressing. In Soviet Russia, rehab goes to you. Anyway, so of course, all the libtard media and political people are calling this an extension of Russia gate. They claim that these are kind of like false or doctored materials. Oh, the Russia photoshopped the crack pipe. Yeah. What? How does that even? I mean, the irony is that Russian collusion did occur while Ukrainian, if you want to like split

hairs. But the Bidens did it, not the Trumps, which is, you know, I think that's a really sweet and delicious irony for me personally. I love it. So yeah, no, there's a lot of people like literally claiming that this is Russian trolls and like spies, like making compromise. Okay. I think they could do a little better. I know. And wasn't the whole kind of Russian troll technique to disseminate sort of incoherent information, to sort of fuzz the channels? Yeah. That was like the 2016 party line was that they were like creating all these disorienting avant-garde memes that were confusing Facebook users into voting for Donald Trump. Yeah. But I mean, I guess this is like, I mean, okay, like I personally

don't see this as compromising to the Democrats. No, they've self compromised so hard over the years that they've done far worse than yeah, this actually, you know, refreshes and rebrands or image a little. Yeah, it's nice. Who knew the Democrats could be cool. If anything, they should kind of take the cue to become more lenient on criminal justice reform and drug offenders. And like be like, actually, it's fucking cool and crack is crack. And everyone gets a weekend at the chateau to blow off a little steam. What's the wrong with that? Yeah. They issue reparations to black people who were put away under the 1994 crime bill, but you get a free weekend at the chateau. Chill out with Matthew McConaughey on Hunter's dime. Yeah. Where is he now? Does anyone know?

Hunter? Yeah. Probably in the same hell as Bannon. I don't know. Yeah, they're on the same mowgli yacht. I just want Bannon to come on the pot again so I can unironically praise him on his deep tan and silver Fox main and watch him get flustered that somebody's paying him a genuine compliment. It's interesting. Yeah, that he he opted for the tan because I personally I regret not taking the opportunity to tell him about exfoliating. Oh, yeah, true. But he's he's looking fresh. Yeah, he looks like he got some sun. I was gonna I was gonna debut this theory that I think women like Steve Bannon because he reminds them of Pepe's which remind them of babies. And it's like this kind of like, oh, yeah, you have a hole. Yeah. But then I remember that no

women actually like Steve Bannon. Except for us. Well, Pepe's you're I think you're talking about the the appu, which is the variation of Pepe with the bigger adorable eyes. Yeah, the one that's like looks like always looks like it's on the verge of tears and you like collect them all sort of yeah, you're like get him in your rare Pepe folder. I think Bannon looks more like a griper, like the big the big frog. Yeah, those are the kind of relaxing. You know, the OG ones are very kind of standard. Yeah, frog appu is more in the cute spectrum and then the griper is more on the abject toad frog spectrum. But he's yeah, he does has a griperish quality, which I don't think women like Pepe because well, not just women, everyone. It's not just because he's cute. It's because

he's mischievous. Yeah, he's kind of a trickster. Yeah, archetype. He's like a cocoa palli. Yeah. But he's he's like a like he's he's more like in line of like with the Nordic depiction of Satan. You know, you know, like in Nordic, the kind of Scandinavian mythology, kind of the satanic Lucifer figure is much more impish and fallible. Yeah, he's not unbridled evil. He's like a mischievous. He's kind of live little yeah, twink. Yeah, if you will. Yeah. So that's probably it. I don't think my theory actually holds any water FYI. I'm not being serious about it. But it's interesting to unpack, though. I'm just spitballing. What else is there to say about hunter? I mean, there's everybody's like, obviously freaking out

about the licentious sex. And I didn't see any of the sex stuff. I got to just dig a little deeper. Yeah. Did you see the? No, I mean, there's some image people were circulating about him like starting coke off a woman's ass, which is like, I heard you can't really tell it's him. Yeah, maybe not. Yeah. So it dries out. And there's supposedly a 12 minute video of him having sex with a woman and while smoking crack. 12 minutes. Yeah. Nice. 12 minutes is a that's a nice time out of time. People are like, baby, I can go out all night. It's like nobody wants 12 minutes is just is a very adequate amount of time. Yeah. And men also have a very delusional sense of time and space. Like, you know, when you're going somewhere with a man and

he's like, oh, just like three blocks away and it's like literally like 13 blocks. Yeah. Because they're like, they're like optimistic and they have to like overshoot. Totally. Yeah. It's like, you know, when they meet a new chick and they're like, she's like incredible. She has legs for days and like, she's so hot and smart and then you meet her and it's like that episode of like curb where the blind guy's girlfriend claims she's a model. But they also have like a kind of ridiculous overblown sense of sex. And they're like, yeah, like we were having sex for like an hour or something like four times, bro. I bet Hunter Biden is a good lover. Yeah. Just my guess. Yeah. Yeah, I would buy that. He's got a lot to prove, you know, wait, why? Because he's the son

of Joe Biden. Yeah. Political dynasty, you know, the most milk toast political dynasty. And he's, yeah, he's got to find other ways to get that that sweet validation. He probably didn't get from his father, which drove him insane drug addiction. Was Bo the favorite one? Is that the idea? I think so. Because Bo was in the military. Yeah. That's why in the first debate, which they deprived us of a second, when Trump brought up his son, Joe immediately defaulted to, to Bo his deceased veteran. Yeah, he did an ID poll and a gaslighting. You did a gaslighting. My dead son. How about this, this beheading? Oh, yeah.

In Paris, outside of Paris? Yeah, it's in the suburbs of Paris. I don't really understand how suburbs work in Paris. Yeah, I think I when I went to Paris, I was had high hopes to go to Versailles, which I realized is really far away from Paris. Yeah, how far is it? It's like an hour by train or something? It takes like two hours to get there. And then it's kind of a whole day of fare because you want to take in all the follies and walk the grounds. But yeah, that's like my, I was literally like, where does the princess live? Far away, far away from here, you stupid American. God. The French really don't give you a pass for being cute or a woman. They don't really care.

No, not at all. They spit on you if you get out of line. We used to serve you. I found myself doing this really annoying thing in Paris where I was, where I would speak English with a French accent as if like to signal to them that I was like trying, but I wasn't going to speak French, but that I would say like seven. Then do you have a reservation for me? As if they'd be like, Oh, maybe she is French, but she forgot. Yeah. I see her accent is still, is still sticking. Like this American seems particularly retarded. She must have a learning disability. Bonsoir. Have you seen Emily in Paris? I don't even know what this is. I know Phil Collins, a little daughter, isn't it? Another one of these

famous daughters that they're desperately trying to make happen. She's kind of a smoke show a little bit. Yeah. She's all right. She has those black Irish looks or whatever. Who's her mom? I don't know. Probably some model. Well, yeah. She's differs from sort of the Kate Moss's daughter or Cindy Crawford's, because her mom's not like a sex symbol. Neither is Phil Collins really. So it's like, she gets more. Nobody's ever wanted to fuck Phil. No, I'm sure in his heyday he had a lot of groupies. Daff. I think it's, yeah, it's like some saccharine comedy program on Netflix about an American girl in Paris.

Yeah. I don't know if I can handle that. And yeah, I don't particularly want to watch it, especially since the kind of the discourse, which has been very kind of annoying and confused. Like the backlash seems to be people who don't have a sense of like how tongue-in-cheek the show is, but I'm not really going to analyze it. Yeah. Okay. We can skip it. It's irony levels or anything like that. If there's enough demand, maybe we'll. Yeah. I guess if you DM us enough, we might cave. Your cake pops really took off. Oh, I know. I'm over it. Stop. Now I feel like. I know. It's like, it's like that thing that was going around of which dirtbag leftist. Yeah. Are you and like,

if you share one or two or three. Exactly. I don't want to hurt people's feelings and not boost their cake pop pic. I don't want them to think that they're not as handsome or beautiful as some of the other cake pop eaters that I've shared, but I can't even want to eat a cake pop anymore. I haven't had one yet. So I might give it a shot. I might give it a shot. So there was a beheading. A teacher in outside of Paris got beheaded by an 18 year old Chechen Muslim for showing a caricature of Mohammed once again. I thought it was like under the impression that this kid was his student, but in fact, he wasn't. He was somebody who like learned of this guy's classroom activities and stalked him for days or weeks and then

cut his throat. There was a stabbing a couple months ago as well. Yeah. Some Pakistani kid, 25 year old. I mean, I don't know. 25 isn't like not a kid anymore. 46 years old, just a kid, but he stabbed two people outside of the original Charlie Hedbo offices, not realizing that they had moved spaces, which is hilarious. So they were just random people. Yeah, they weren't even doing Mohammed caricatures. Yeah. Yeah. That's hilarious. But I mean, it's sad, but so this 18 year old Chechen, I mean, the one thing I will say is like, I'm glad beheading is back in the news. I was getting a little bit nostalgic for like the golden age of beheading videos, you know, because we used to live in a much more intense and urgent time even like two or three

years ago. Right. The coronavirus has a much more ambient disseminated fear rather than the the immediate vitality of getting your head chopped off or someone detonating their vest. Yeah. And all this kind of like anti racism stuff is like low stakes and larpy and boring. Ultimately, it doesn't have really got to hand it to the Islamic extremists. They really believe in their ideology. I mean, what they believe in is monstrous, but they do like liberalism is no match. Sorry to sound like Peter Thiel again, but liberalism is literally no match for these people in the long run. These people know, but they actually believe in something. They have a belief system that's like, I learned the hard way when I was like, again, I mean,

I've told this anecdote already, but when I was sort of irony posting about the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict, neither Azeris nor Armenians have any sense for irony and honestly more power to them. They're better people because they believe in something and what they believe in is like mutual reciprocal genocide, but that's okay. It's better than like, at least they're not making memes about it. It's actually in the, the Muslims would never make a meme because it would make light of their Prophet Muhammad. I guarantee you like American Muslims have- Is this one pay walled? Um, no. Okay. I fear getting beheaded. Um, well, my thing is why can't French people just stop doing that?

Doing what? Doing characters of Muhammad. The hornet's nest. They really don't like it when they do that. Well, they didn't make new caricatures, right? These were old caricatures because the Charlie Hed bow trial is finally going to court. Right. It's my understanding that the teacher was sort of, uh, circulating these materials as part of a civics lesson. Yes. But these front, they're so obsessed with their liberty there, you know. Well, France, unlike the United States, also has, um, hate speech laws that are enforceable and punishable if you violate them. But the characters of Muhammad do not follow- Yeah, I don't know. I didn't- Under that umbrella.

Go that far in my research, but, um- Well, of course they don't. The, because of, you know, the Charlie Hed bow and everything, it's, it's arguably a big part of their, their culture. What racism? Anti-Islamophobia and racism, but the Islamophobia especially. I mean, listen, I, again, I, I begrudgingly respect the French too, because they also, of the Western liberal countries, they still also seem to believe in something. They're desperately clinging to their obsolete, um, history and culture. No, they are. I mean, like, what did Macron say? He, he, um, said that, um, he, you know, immediately did not

hesitate to call it a terrorist attack. And he said that they were fighting an existential battle. So he understands like the existential contours of this clash of civilizations or whatever. Right. Um, I liked, um, the, our assertiveness- The freedom to make the, what was it? He said, framing the Charlie Hed bow story as a freedom of speech issues, ultimately fruitless and a distraction from the real question, which is one of sovereignty. The issues, who decides what can and cannot be said in France, not whether X or Y, um, should be can or should be said. The French framing that this is a direct attack on the

integrity of the Republic is therefore more clear-sighted than the Anglo framing is a free speech issue. Who cares? It's a side issue. I mean, this is the thing, but then the, the scary thing about, um, believing in something is that you have to, if you believe in something, you are a monstrous and adversarial and stand in committed, uh, conflict with something else. So if, if France is a Republic, i.e. if France is nationalist, then they reject the Muslim way of life on some level and you have a real clash of civilizations. So it's a thorny issue because nobody wants to be on like the wrong side of racism. Right. It's like, to me, it's not about, right, it isn't about freedom of speech because, um, right, it's not about having the freedom

to characterize Muhammad or not. It's that there are people for whom, um, they would cut your head off for doing it. Yeah. Who you have to like cohabitate with. Yeah. And they don't care about your Western liberal human rights oriented framework that holds free speech. Yeah. As a central. They know you're not supposed to be head people. Yeah. They don't care. Yeah. That's because it matters so much to them that their profit not be caricaturized. Yes. I just, I watched the battle. I'm sure there's no legislating that, you know? Yeah. You can ban caricatures of Muhammad, which is offensive to French people on a, like, on a, in terms of their liberties, you know? Yeah. No, I, I'm like ashamed to say that I finally, for the first time, watched the

battle of Algiers, which was a really great movie. But one, the line that stuck with me from it was, I think it was like the professor going like the professor who later gets like Epstein to mysteriously in a cell going like, well, you know, terrorism is bad and problematic, but we must resort to it in the initial stages because it's powerful and useful. Like, he knows it's wrong and bad to mow down French civilians. Right. But yeah. And there's this, the, the other, like, kind of like hitch in this story is that there was a New York Times headline. They originally reported the story with the headline French police shoot and kill a man after a fatal knife attack on the street, which as somebody pointed out on Twitter, you know, veers beyond the typically

obscene and grotesque political correctness that's like foisted on us by the libtard media into like straight up unreality. Like, like they're framing the actions of the French police, which in this case were most likely qualified and warranted as a police brutality problem. Right. Like they're making an equivalence between like Eric Garner, George Floyd, whatever, with this guy who was brandishing a knife and had just beheaded somebody. Yeah. Well, yeah, there's no reason to center the, um, the sort of actions of the police in a headline like that. Yeah. Yeah. It's bizarre. It's beyond the, it's, it's not really the point. Yeah. And I was just like, what is it? Who is this fooling? I don't think this would even

pull like anti-racism liberals. I guess he could have been apprehended and brought to justice, but it seems clear that he did the, he did the crime. Yeah. And that he didn't, he, he took that risk. He took it on the chance because of his extreme faith. Yeah. And I mean, my feeling is like, if you're going to veer so far in that direction where we're like excusing and justifying the actions of literal beheaders, we may as well just take the easy way out and all convert to Islam and have a functional traditional society. Could be worse. Yeah. I'm waiting for them to spin like the liberal media to spin this as another Russia gate story because the kid was from Moscow, you know, he was from Moscow. Yeah. The Chechen kid. Oh,

I didn't realize. Yeah. What's he doing in France? I don't know. Why would have, why wouldn't he stay in Russia? Well, I, Moscow probably sucks for Chechens unless your circle. But so does France. Yeah. For Muslims. It doesn't seem like it's going well. Yeah. What's the benefit of being like a Muslim kid in, in France or in Russia? I don't know. Maybe you get to bag some strange that's into like the novelty of like, not if you're an Islamic fundamentalist. But they, they changed the headline to French police fatally shoot man who beheaded victim in the street. That's on Google search. And then man kills man beheads teacher on the street in France and is killed by police. If you click on the article

itself. Okay. So they amended it, but it was so both a happy medium. I guess. Yeah. I didn't, I wasn't even outraged or offended. I just thought it was hilarious that they even tried, tried that shit to make the story about the police killing. Yeah. But that was actually, that was like the biggest takeaway from like, even the Hunter Biden thing, like that, that Taibi and Greenwald were on about correctly that, you know, Twitter and Facebook took third world style steps in the words of Taibi to limit the spread of the Hunter Biden leak story, which had the opposite effect, obviously like stoking interest in it. Right. And there's, you know, I think like Liz Francik was like one of the only ones who was like

hammering away at it and being like, this is the big story that like tech platforms are like meddling in information that comes out surrounding the election. I mean, which is crazy. And you know, it makes the presidential race itself a proxy for well, the way that they framed it was because it was the hard drives were leaked. It was like a by criminal means or whatever. Yeah. But so was wiki leaks. So all that, all that shit. That's what whistleblowing is. It's yeah. Since when do we ban or censor stuff that was leaked by criminal means? I think like also people were saying that well, this is supposed to sway people like limit the damage done to harm reduction in favor of the Biden campaign. But I don't know if that's even the case.

Hmm. Well, I saw someone shared a Pew Research Center study with me today that the majority of tweets from us adults are that funny line. Sorry. The 10% of Twitter users create 92% of all the tweets. Oh, we're like in that group. And that of those 10%, 70% of them are Democrats or Democrat leaning. Okay. So that sort of speaks to the the echo chamber, the the bubble that Twitter is. I mean, that makes sense. Yeah. If nine if like over 90% of the tweets being generated are being generated primarily by libs. Well, yeah. And I was thinking like, let me try to own and then Twitter is ultimately just pandering to their their user base. Yeah, to like the yeah, it's all like liberal bias, which is also why they wouldn't do the same thing for

something that would compromise the Trump campaign, you know. Yeah, no, I know. And it's, I mean, which is also why the leftists are so maximized and amplified on Twitter, like ID poll, rad lib style leftists, because they're just an extension of kind of liberalism. And I don't mean that in any like even critical or like judgmental way. But um, yeah, that kind of like really sunken with like this delicious tacos had a good tweet. If I can find it, I don't even think I can. I'd be interested to know actually how they got their data on political affiliations, because it's not, they wouldn't have, I don't think they self identify, right? They probably like run their the data through like an algorithm to determine whether or not their people left or

right leaning. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder what their sample is. I mean, there are literally like dozens of accounts like blue check accounts that just have a stated affiliation with like liberal causes that are like liberal journalists or liberal. Well, their sample I think was the 10% of Twitter users who compose most of the information on Twitter. Okay, right. So that's yeah, but it's not like people were actively polled. Yeah, just like a number crunch. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, I think those people get probably they have, you know, tweet certain keywords. It's like the, you know, word cloud or whatever. Right. And they probably have stuff in their bio that would link them. Yeah. But that really just speaks to how little Twitter ultimately

reflects reality also. Well, yeah, I mean, but so here's here's a tweet must read hunter handsome rich travels world stacking money for zero work blasting and ovulating side pussy no consequences women don't leave them tons of kids drives Porsche all day long. He thinks they're all out to get me and no one gives me my do. This is like based on that raw tax exchange between Hunter and Joe where Joe tells him he loves his beautiful son and Hunter lashes out that people are conspiring against him and even Hunter who's like so blessed and privileged outside of his own, you know, inner demons. Sure. Like in spite of being a crackhead, he's still a Chad women love him. Absolute Chad. He still feels kind of like a persecuted and a battled.

Yeah. So yeah, and it's a war in his mind like Lana Del Rey. I relate to that. Yeah, everybody has I mean, I'm a beloved podcaster and yet I fix it on my haters and their lies. Yeah, you, me, everybody, we have we all have a very delusional sense of how like persecuted and hated we are. It's much easier to see the negative because like a people tend to fix a on the negative but be the the positive people, the well wishers are like that 90% of people post the silent majority we call them. Yeah, those people just like they don't make their kind of like, you know, opinions known in public. I want to Twitter for the for the 90%. That's a good pitch. The real the real classified as people who post and people who

mine their own fucking business. I mean, it is. Yeah. The real the real 1% I think the 1% of most active Twitter users should just be should just be banned. How do you determine active like frequency of tweeting? Like the 1% of who comprise the most of those tweets, you know? Oh, yeah, just boot him off the block. Just be had them be had them. Yeah. Is there anything? Did anything else cool go on with this be heading? Sorry, they while they detain nine people in in relation to it. Obviously, this is going to be a stoke Islamophobic sentiments. Yeah, this seems like a weird reach like they detained his family, his parents,

his grandfather, his teenage brother. And then they also detained five other people, including the father of a pupil at the school where the teacher taught because the father was known to intelligence agencies. Okay, for being a terrorist bad boy. But yeah, it seems like they're rounding up random family members. It seems you know, it's like a no in situation. Honestly, I tweeted this, but I don't like saying that pope meme. What's the pope? It's like, you know, when you post four pictures on Twitter and it kind of puts them in a little grid. It's like there's a way to do it where you split up a picture of the pope holding up the Eucharist, but you replace that fourth square with like a cake pop or

culture of narcissism or whatever people, you know, those ones that I've come across. But but I understand having, I mean, I'm not going to chop someone's head off about it, but like go to cha cha matcha. How do you feel about the pope? I don't like saying the pope, you know, I did it does kind of hit some weird cord with with me where I'm like, ooh, like, don't it's like indecent. Yeah, it feels highly indecent and disrespectful. So I can only imagine. That's like your line. You know, I don't like seeing sacrilegious stuff. No, I don't either. And I think I know people say that it's cringe and corny, but I think that that's an important feeling to hold on to. And to push to its extreme and commit violent acts of terrorism. Yeah, to be had people.

But yeah, but if I literally thought that, you know, Muhammad was a prophet, yeah, I'd be pretty I wouldn't want to see some vulgar French cartoon. Yeah, I've been sucking dick or whatever they do. I'm gonna I hate Mohammed's head on the joke, Biden or on the Hunter Biden photo leak of him taking a selfie and like Ray bans. I don't even know what Mohammed looks like. Honestly, I don't he probably looks like that. The composite like 3d composite they did of Jesus, you know, back in the day for the history channel. I just I I hate French humor in general. I find it to be kind of juvenile and and grow is yeah, they they've outlawed out edge lord at the edge. They're not they're not very funny. So maybe they should just give it up. I see what you're

saying. I think it's it is like very kind of like juvenile and over in a way. But that also speaks to me that's charming because it speaks to their provincialism and naivete, you know, which I like. I understand because Americans are so kind of on such a sophisticated plane of irony that it's like hard to cut through like the layers, right? The French are still harkening back to their like legacy of political cartooning where they were draw like Marie Antoinette taking a shit and stuff and like laugh all the way to the croissant store. I rewatched Marie Antoinette recently. Oh yeah, I was thinking of re I was thinking of rewatching Lost in Translation and and never got around to it. How did you feel? I mean, you've probably watched Marie Antoinette

also like 14 times. Many, many times, of course. Yeah, no, I wasn't even I probably like know that movie by heart. Actually, I was it was a comfort watch for me. But for my money, Sophie's the best copula. Yeah, I would. Who are the other ones? The Francis Ford? Yeah, that that old bag of bones. Talia Shire, Connie, Nicholas Cage, he's up there. Oh, right. He's a copula. I think Schwartzman is a copula as well or in that family tree. A Jason triple parentheses copula. Jason Coppola. But I, you know, Marie Antoinette really didn't get a fair shake. That's what I came away with from that. Wait, really? I thought it was like a popular and beloved film to people. No, no, I mean the I mean, as a person. Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course. Everyone

pucks with the movie. But yeah, she was like the original e-girl. She was misunderstood. She was in bondage to France. People don't like her. What else happened after the party girl discrimination? She was the original like Tinsley Moore or something. Yeah. What other, what other scandals? Billie Eilish? Yeah. Do we have any thought? I don't even know if I have any thoughts on that. I think the outfit was unfortunate. I think she looks fine. I agree that she looks, I don't think she should be body shamed nor celebrated for not being really body shaming her. Or was it a pretense for Libfem outlets to launch a counter attack? To do the, oh yeah,

to do a whole body positivity. No, there was like some Twitch streamer gamer or something, some guy who said disparaging things about her body. One person. I mean, probably some people, whatever. It doesn't, we didn't even say anything. We, we took the high road. Is Billie Eilish a size and tweet? We took the high road. My take, which I basically texted you is that like, it wouldn't be a big deal at all if she wasn't covering up so much. Yeah. Or ordinarily, like if she didn't wear her Cedric, the entertainer, no one would be at a cook outlook. Exactly. No one would be remarking on, on her body if her whole thing wasn't like wearing a big billowy button down. Yeah. To hide her teenage breasts and stuff.

It, I mean, those are not teenage breasts. Those are mature mommy milkers. Ain't nothing teenage about those breasts, but I feel for her. She's probably, you know, uncomfortable. I was very uncomfortable in my body as a, as a teen. Wait, is she still a teenager? Is she like 24? No, I think she's 18. She's legitimately very young. Okay. And doesn't want her body remarked on, but much like, you know, that is not the Dolly Parton effect or, I think that we try to hide information, but then it just like Twitter trying to hide the Hunter Biden crack smoking pics. It's like the more layers she puts on, the more people are going to notice when they, when they come off. Yeah.

And I also like, if Billie Eilish in that photograph was wearing like a bandage dress and high heels, people would be ceaselessly talking about how hot she looks. It's the presentation. She looks like a freshman at Rutgers going to class at eight in the morning in like 2007 or something. That's like the look, but like, I don't know. I can't even hate on Billie Eilish. Maybe I've like softened with time because I'm a rich lib now, but I don't have any bones to pick with. I, she's, she looks fine. I also like, this is like what I look like when I'm a little heavier, like just like large midsection with skinny legs and flabby arms. So I can't like hate on that. It's like a normal. There's not that it's there. I have no,

I'm, yeah, I'm not here to, to shame Billie it whatsoever. She looks completely fine. Yeah. And she has a very pretty doll face. And I think her music is crap. It's those most music. So whatever. Yeah. I can't even do that. I couldn't name. I couldn't even hum, hum a Billie, Billie tune. If you put a gun to my head and she was worn out from having sex with her brother. So she threw on those easy slides. Damn. I like that. I also like that. But Billie Eilish like literally dresses like a black man. Yeah. She looks like she's like in Friday or something. It's like a Chris Tucker outfit, like sandals and socks and like a wife beater or whatever. Spaghetti strapped tank. What were the shorts? They were like long shorts. What brand? Basketball shorts. I don't

know, but yeah. The shoes were Yeezy's. She had a Yeezy palette on. Yeah. I'm trying not to repeat myself too much because we also talked about Billie on dial deep for Dan. Oh, yeah. But I guess it's a little inevitable. No, I wouldn't even worry about that because I literally, whenever I do like a guest spot on a podcast, I just do my greatest hits and like Zizek or Pogli totally repeat myself incessantly. Yeah. Toilet of ideology. Yeah. Play the fucking hits. It's fine. We're doing like a really degraded to based equivalent of what like public intellectuals do on a more legitimate and respectable scale, which is that they publish a book of their essays every four years. It's like remixed. Yeah. The same essays with a new cover and occasional public

appearance that they, yeah, they're not, they're not meant to, to generate so much content and riffing twice a week. Yeah. Man can only do so much. I'm busy online shopping for Billie Eilish's Yeezy color palette. I'm in retrospect, actually, in my movie, I'm kind of at a high, at a highway. I noticed when we shot pickups in July that we had to edit in that I knew that I knew that I had lost weight, but I lost a lot of weight in my face, especially. Yeah. And back in December, January, because I was so stressed out. I was eating a lot of croissants and stuff, but I'm like, wow, I'm like, I think I look fine. People are, I mean, I'm just, I'm anticipating people saying that I look fat. So I'm like bracing myself for that. No, nobody's going to say that. I mean,

you literally don't look fat in that movie, but is there footage of you in your current state that's being edited into the movie? Yes. That'll be funny. Well, it's, it looks, it's fine. It's you. When you, when you watch a movie, close up of your pupil or something, when you watch a movie, you're not, most people don't. My hair is a little longer too. It's kind of in, but when it's all cut together, it's not severely noticeable, but it was for me. The problem is now you've just announced to people what to look for. I know. Yeah. I know. Like now I know, but I, you know, like every time I watch the Sopranos, because I've seen the show like 15 times, I can tell like where things are like placed, right? Or somebody's hair is different. Right. Like continuity errors.

Somebody's not wearing the jacket. They were supposed to be wearing the jet in the scene or whatever. Yeah. Which is fun. I like continuity errors. I used to go on like, there was a website for it in the, in the early odds. Yeah. Not Snopes, but it was kind of like that. There was a whole Easter egg movie site that like archived all the stuff to kind of watch for. That's cute. It's fun. It's rough around the edges. Yeah. Rustic DIY. Stevie Nicks. Yeah. Another songstress. Yeah. She said that if she hadn't had an abortion, that there wouldn't be Fleetwood Mac and that they, there are two female vocal, the headline was very, very jumbled and confused actually. Yeah. She said Fleetwood Mac, two female vocalists, if I had had an abortion.

She said, you wouldn't have Fleetwood Mac if I didn't abort my child and we had two female vocalists. That was the headline for me. Meaning the, yeah, the net positive of the abortion was that we have the great songs of Fleetwood Mac, which lifted up not merely Stevie Nicks, but working mothers with the children. Yeah. So that was hurt. That is such a cope and such a lie. First of all, she's not the only like world-class musician in Fleetwood Mac. I'm sorry. Like she's a very talented and wonderful and special person and I love her music. Yeah. Huge fan. And it makes me cry. I love Stevie Nicks. But the Christine McVie is like no joke and she's like perennially slept on. Well, that's what she means, I guess. But I think Stevie is also, it's like she was very image-conscious.

And like people liked her as much for her image as for her actual musical contributions. Yeah. And Christine McVie was always kind of like behind the scenes. But Little Lies is like one of the top Fleetwood Mac songs and Stevie Nicks has a chorus. Yeah. But as you correctly pointed out, you know, we wouldn't have Fleetwood Mac if Stevie Nicks' mother also had aborted her. So she also said the full quote is there's just no way that I could have had children then working as hard as we worked constantly. And there were a lot of drugs. I was doing a lot of drugs. I would have had to walk away. But that's what it is. I mean, like, okay, the problem is. Yeah. We really want to get into like revisionist history, abortion stuff. That's a really slippery slope.

Yeah. And like, you know, her comment honestly comes off as callous and frivolous and like which is fine, but now it's being hailed as some kind of political wisdom by the RBG Libfems, which is what it was targeted to do. She said it in the context of like abortion, being her generation's fight. Yeah, but there'll be Wade being there. There's something politically virtuous about what she said. You know, the fact of the matter is like Phyllis Schlafly had six kids and Amy Coney Barrett has seven and five of them are biological and one of them has downs. And like, I'm not endorsing conservative women here who, by the way, are the kind of like most apt pupils and kind of like shining examples of the successes of liberal feminism. It's

conservative women because they actually managed to have it all. Yeah, Schlafly fully hacked it. Yeah, she but like, I mean, I thought immediately when I read the Stevie Nicks thing of Elaine May, who had a daughter when she was 18, Jeannie Berlin, who is in an Elaine in a heartbreak kid, it was a great performance. But I think that Elaine May's art was informed by her experiences as a very young mother and arguably, we wouldn't have had Elaine May if she didn't have Jeannie Berlin. Like it's so hard. It's like baby Hitler stuff. Yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah. It's like, yeah, but women make great contributions that are informed by their like maternal

instincts and impulses all the time. Yeah. I mean, Susan Sontag had a kid in her 20s that she pawned off on the father. Yeah. Philip Reif, I think. That's probably what Stevie would have done anyway. Yeah, she would have just pawned the kid on continuing. She wouldn't have walked away from Fleetwood Mac. Yeah. Her music would have been different, but who's to say it would have been worse. Might have been better. But the point was like the conservative thing is like, you know, a friend of the pod pointed out in conversation like, well, anything is possible with the fleet of nannies. And I'm sure all these affluent women, liberal or conservative have a fleet of nannies. But my feeling about it also is that where there's a will, there's a way. It's like,

if you wanted children, you could have had them. And maybe it's true that at the time that Fleetwood Mac started, Stevie Nicks could not have afforded a nanny. And it was totally understandable and legitimate to like postpone childbirth. But she could have had kids if she wanted to by the time she hit it big. The problem is she didn't want to, which is totally fine and normal and not bad at all, but don't make it into a political gesture. Yeah. She neither has to apologize for having an abortion or justify it in light of her professional accomplishments. It's just pretty unnecessary, I think. Yeah, she did not want a child to interfere with her lifestyle and her career, which at least she's honest about it or was honest about it. No harm, no foul, like it's fine.

But also by her logic, she was doing a lot of coke. Yeah. So maybe we should legalize that too. If make coke and abortions safe and accessible. If Stevie didn't have access to all that cocaine that we might not have had, Fleetwood Mac at all. But people aren't ready for that conversation. But like she, I was like, literally, I looked at her Wikipedia and she, it's clear that like in her own words, and apparently this is information that Wikipedia thought was meaningful enough to like include in her entry, you know, she said that she consciously chose not to have children out of her own of her own due to her demanding career and desire to follow her art wherever it should take her. My mission maybe wasn't to be a mom and a wife,

maybe my particular mission was to write songs to make moms and wives feel better of her niece, godchildren and extended family. She says, I have a lot of kids. It's much more fun to be the crazy auntie than it is to be the mom anyway. And like, yeah, that's fine. And I don't know what the kind of political utility of like her commentary is. I mean, thankfully, it's not such a big deal and whatever. And we're just spinning it into the Fleetwood Mac lobby. Yeah. But that's the thing. It's like, when women who can afford children, say they don't want to bring children in the world into the world, because they don't want to expose them to certain lifestyle or career choices, what they really mean is not, I don't want to

protect hypothetical children from my lifestyle. It's I want to protect my lifestyle from any hypothetical children. I mean, she says as much, she wants to follow her artistic whims. Yeah. And it's like, again, I mean, you can call that selfish and narcissistic, but it's also your choice and your prerogative. That's what we feminists are fighting for. And all sorts of things complicate one's artistic whims. Ultimately, you can't guard yourself from attachments. Yeah, that might compromise your, your visions or your professional accomplishments, because, you know, you have to kind of love your fate in the end. Love your fate. That's like a good, um, yeah, that's a, that's a good, um, like,

um, home goods or maybe type. Yeah. That's a decal that I am all at home. I mean, yeah, we could also speculate. Um, if Stevie Nicks had a kid, maybe she or he or they would have been gay or like, well, also prolifically talented. I doubt it. Usually not how it works, but no, they get Lila Moss. I was really shocked that people were like not, um, melting down or freaking out at our Lila Moss tapes. I was sure people would, um, be mad at us for terrorizing a teenage girl or whatever. I mean, people's eyes work, you know? Yeah. We can all see, we can all see it for what it is. Yeah. No, I'm always like relieved to find out that there is like a logic to the universe, you know, maybe it's occurring to me now that maybe it would have been irresponsible for

Stevie to have children because they would have had to live in her, in her shadow and like underneath her wick and garb. They would have to live in the tent of her witchy gown. Um, but I think a lot of, uh, a lot of famous people have kids who turn out to be real fuck ups. Yeah. Yeah. In that regard, I tip my hat to Stevie for, I think most kids leaving a slot open at rehab for Hunter Biden. Um, I guess Stevie Nicks kid would be too old for Hunter Biden. I was just thinking of some like deranged sexual fantasy. Um, but like the other thing also that that somebody else pointed out to me is that like, that I thought was a good point is that, um, you know, for these kind of religious conservative people who have like a whole brood of children, like they don't

even think of it as a choice. Yeah. It doesn't occur to them. They have a completely different kind of like optic or framing of the situation, right? Which is like, you know, positive on some level, but it's a state that those among us who are like liberated and self aware by which I mean to say like contemporary educated neurotics can never go back to. You can't ever undo certain like, uh, aspects of your emancipation, right? Even if they turn out to be like not overwhelmingly positive. Who was it? Who said one can't know freedom without trembling? I don't know. Kierkegaard maybe? Maybe. I feel like that was something I read in like an existentialism class. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. You don't want too many options. Ultimately. Yeah. You don't

want too much consciousness or self-awareness because once you, again, once you get it, you can't go back. Freedom is all illusory anyway. Yeah, that's true. Freedom is really a state of mind. Oh, I thought you said a stain of mind. Freedom is really a, I'm looking up that PAGS quote you, uh, you posted today. Oh yeah, that one was good. Woman at first content to accept man's protections, but now inflamed with desire for her own illusory freedom, invades man's systems and suppresses her indebtedness to him as she steals them by head magic. She will deny there ever was a problem of sex and nature. People were kind of like beautifully said. Yeah. The head magic, I think is the operative term. She's into, into paganism. Yeah. But I, I think they meant like

head game. Right. Yeah. Um, yeah, no, she is, but like, no, that's such an on point quote because I think women blame the patriarchy and society, i.e. men for something that men fundamentally have no part in in like Western like developed civilizations, which is like the kind of bitter pill of realizing that being emancipated and liberated isn't, uh, what it's cut out to be. Like it has a lot of serious downsides. Right. It comes with various responsibilities. Um, and in a lot of ways it's, yeah, subjectivity is like a kind of, a kind of present. Yeah. And I was like, I was reading like just like randomly, I was reading Janet Malcolm's essay on this, um, young pianist, Yuzha Wang, who's like notable because she's apparently really, really talented,

but also wears skin tight short dresses on stage with like six inch platforms. So she looks crazy compared to other like pianists who are like very sober and steered. Yeah. They look like vampires, you know. Um, and in it, she's like from China and lives in New York and she like gives a sound bite about how like she finds it hard to be kind of like to find love and romance because she can't find a man on her caliber because they're all taken. And so she has to date down essentially. Yeah. We've, we've talked about this, but there's a lot of like, yeah, kind of like depressing realities involved in being, uh, an emancipated liberated girl boss. It's, you know, not all like, well, that's why sexual politics seems so pathological now. How so? Well, the way that we,

the way that we talk about how incels and kind of lipfems are the same. Yeah. Um, two sides of the same coin. I can barely talk. Um, but yeah, that that's a lot of sexual emancipatory politics is based in, in resentment or like what PAGS describes as kind of, um, indebtedness. Yeah. Well, it's delusional resentment. I think both sides, uh, suffer from kind of the delusion of feeling entitled, um, to being with someone who's above like pushing or punching above their weight and for the math, vast majority of people that doesn't really happen, you know, you don't really get to game the system. Well, there's all people have a lot of dysmorphia, if you will, about their, their weight, their proverbial weight. That is, um,

Leia and I were on the Pulaski bridge yesterday and I was like, damn, like I had a real palia kind of moment where I was like bridges, like chicks would have never come up with this. Like I was like, how the fuck did they do the fellas pull this one off? Well, they did it for us. Yeah. So James Brown is a whole song about it. So we could go to Queens. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Men, men fucking built civilization so that women could become managers and administrators and date soy boy knowledge workers. They did it. Yeah. Well, I think they did it both for women and, um, out of a kind of pre, their own sort of, their own, and because of pre come because of their own,

um, sort of resentment and indebtedness to women for their reproductive. Yeah. Faculty, you know, like men aren't able to, um, reproduce without, well, women can't reproduce that men at all. It goes out saying, but you know, they don't have, um, the same sort of bond, sort of vital primordial bond to life the way that women do. Yeah. So they had to kind of erect. They have the seed. They don't have the incubator. Exactly. The real estate. So it makes sense that they, that men were very productive in this civilized mode. Yeah. They were yet productive because they can't be reproductive. Exactly. Sorry, that's like, not as quotable as it sounds. Should we talk about the sociopath or have we done? Yeah,

we can, we can, that would be a fun one to, to end with. Um, yeah. Speaking of male, female relations and sociopaths, um, and NYT, modern love. Yeah. I fell in love with the man who tried to behead me. I'm going to submit that. I was thinking, I had a great idea for a troll. A lot of them do seem troll-ish. They seem like focus grouped and composited. I don't think it's real people. It's like that, you know how you can now write a convincing article through like AI? I think that's what that is. Right. It's just like a robot generates. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. The headline is he married a sociopath, Cole and me. And it's this woman who, who as a, she talks about how she's married to some guy and she talks about how as a girl, she felt nothing. So she'd

break into houses and steal cars to feel something. Um, and I wasn't really sold on her sociopathy until she says, um, it didn't take long for me to realize that this was not an effective life strategy rather than risk incarceration or worse. I used my diagnosis to fuel my pursuit of a PhD in psychology. When she mentioned the PhD, that's how I knew she was, yeah. That's the, the sociopath learning. Yeah. Um, you would think my insincerity, emotional poverty, absence of shame, guilt, and reduced empathetic response wouldn't exactly land me in the dream girl category. Um, then she talks about how she and her husband are married. Nevertheless, 13 years later, we're still in love and happily married sociopaths. I feel like don't fall in love or, and are definitely

not capable of happy marriages. Right. Well, that's something doesn't add up. I mean, sociopath, she's talking about sociopathy in this very medicalized, yeah, diagnostic way. Yeah. Where I think at some point, I just, she's mentioned when she was diagnosed as a sociopath. Kind of, I'm assuming in her twenties, I don't know. Um, but there's a reason, sorry, go ahead. Right. Because her sort of, um, invoking her, her teen years did not, didn't seem to me to be particularly sociopathic. They just seemed like kind of within the normal range of oppositional, defiant teen behavior. Adolescent behavior. Yeah. And it's like, you know, there's a reason I have that pinned tweet still that about, you know, don't flatter yourself. You're not a sociopath. You're just a garden

variety, millennial narcissist. That's what this woman is. Yeah. Um, she exhibits the classic signs of somebody who, whose ego has not outgrown its teenage phase. It's totally legitimate to be a narcissist when you're like of that caliber, like a malignant narcissist, meaning because we all have shades and grades of narcissism when you're a child and a teenager. Right. Well, your brain is still kind of forming and your hormones are, and synapses are firing and stuff. But sociopath is literally exhibiting antisocial behavior. Right. This woman's not a sociopath. Yeah. Just because she's convinced herself that she lacks empathy and maybe she does have, I mean, empathy

varies amongst people. Yeah. And there's no, there probably is like a bell, a bell curve, obviously of empathy. And maybe she is on the low end, but she's the fact that she's been able to be married, have children and sort of police her own so quote, sociopathic impulses. And channel them into an academic discipline. It's, it all seems very shady to me. But she talks about how, you know, like, sort of like her lack of empathy and rage issues are a sign of her sociopathy. They're not sociopathy is like cutting up kittens and children in the traditional definition. She just again is exhibiting signs of rage issues and an immature ego and a lack of emotional discipline. And, you know, crucially above

all of feeling that she's above the law, which is, they're all classic signs of like typical like generational malignant narcissism, a feeling that you are kind of unique and special. Yeah. That you have this kind of very rare, singular diagnosis. Yeah. That a priori determines your, your specialness. Yes. And you conform to the, you know, conform to social expectations and play by the law, even though you don't, you feel that you're above the law, more out of social pressure, right? Than anything else. But the sort of the plot, the twist of this article is that her husband had a crush on a co-worker at work, who she describes as basically like the opposite of her

as this very compassionate. She uses the word appropriate, which also I think is revelatory of her idea of herself as profoundly special. She claims she doesn't feel jealous yet. I think if as her husband fell in love with, or didn't fall in love with, had a crush on someone who she wasn't able to sort of imagine as a foil to herself, like someone more like her than she probably would be, be jealous. Yeah. Well, right. And she won't lay off the husband. The arc is like, she won't lay off of him for having a crush on this co-worker who's allegedly in her own mind, everything. She's not. I mean, but okay, first let's hypothetically entertain the supposition that this woman is a real person, not like a focus group, whatever.

But she won't lay off of him, which suggests to the level of like emotional investment that's incompatible with her own definition of a sociopath as someone who feels no emotion or remorse. So it feels like she maybe is a little bit more jealous and jilted than she wants to let on. And it's not even that, but it's, I feel like it's clear that she derives some sort of like, as you say, narcissistic gratification from comparing herself to this woman positively. Like she feels a sense of moral superiority because she's a bad girl and this woman's a good girl in her mind, even though she doesn't really know this other woman and has an extremely shallow impression of her, which is that she is sort of her, her empathy makes her

sort of appropriate and boring. Yes. And she, she feels like it's morally superior for being more glamorous, more dangerous, more badass, more honest, more honest, more raw than these lowly provincial peasants who are darkness who are actually susceptible to feeling guilt and remorse. She says of this woman, like, yeah, if she even had a dark side, it would be relatable on like mine, which is so murky and impossible, mysterious. Yeah, this sounds like, I mean, like it's so narcissistic. It's like, I'm the kind of a once in a lifetime voice of a generation, which is the way that all these like Twitter millennials think of themselves. Yeah. The real pathology of, of this woman isn't sociopath, it's actually something deeper.

Yeah. And like she's found in her husband, a willing cock. And the thing is like she has also classically narcissistic relationship to other people and that she depends on them for her identification and validation, but resents them because nobody who loves her is a smart or respectable person. Like in the narcissist's mind, if you love me, that means you're either stupid or cynical. Yeah. Either you're as corrupt and calculating as me, or you're an idiot and a mark and a dupe and I can't take anything you say seriously. Right. And I've tricked you with all of my cunning lies. Like everyone else. She's very attached, yeah, to her identity as a sociopath. And that's, if I was, was hers, like I addressed her therapist,

that's like what I would want to really unpack. Yeah. Her positive identification with like sociopath. Well, it's not merely positive. I think she does understand that it has a negative component, but it's ultimately positive in that it makes her kind of special. Yeah. I add, I'm not like the other girl. She's a pick me. She's a pick me. Exactly. Oh, my, with my previous therapist, um, after working with him for a while, I never, I've never thought I was a sociopath. Yeah. But um, um, I did, uh, uh, not dissimilar thing that I think a lot of people do where I pathologized sort of normal feelings of mine for her. They're, they're not as maybe empathetic as, as other, but like, I would, you know, I would describe thing experiences, um, as being marked by like

separation anxiety, you know, and he would, my therapist would always have to be like, okay, like let's not use the terminology of neurosis or pathology to just describe something that's actually very normal, which is that you just like miss someone or you don't want your acting class to end or, you know, it's, there's like a whole range of human emotions that are normal and often the, the curse of, of psychology kind of is that and well, it's identifying them and then yeah, but then becoming attached, attached to them and ultimately having a, I think ultimately she has a low self image. She has a kind of negative narcissism, but she would never be able to even acknowledge that about herself. Well, she feels fundamentally unlovable on,

on her own terms. But what she's really, I think what she's really scared of is that she's not a sociopath and that she is worth loving, which also makes her fallible. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, again, she condescends to and disrespect her husband for loving her. I mean, she, she writes like his clumsy white lies were like a toddlers and nearly as endearing. On those days, I wanted to hug him for being so cute. I thought like sociopaths did not have the capacity to think animals or babies were cute also. But, and then of course, you know, in lying about the nature of his crush, she accuses him of doing what she herself is guilty of and what, what he accused her of essentially, you know, being, of being a hypocrite, but the function of

their lies is not the same. Her husband is lying in part because he suspects on some intuitive level that in fact she has an emotional investment in his crush and he's protecting her. Yeah. And not only protecting himself, but all her lies are solely in service of protecting herself. Right. There's a different valence and meaning to their lies. But then she, Well, she laments, I've been forced to come clean about everything, even when, especially when I don't want to. This is sort of referring to the kind of emotional infrastructure they developed in their relationship to accommodate her sociopathy where they find, you know, she may not feel shame, but she attempts through her studies to imagine what other, what shame would feel like

to sort of modify her behavior. She says, it's hard, frustrating, confusing, and annoying, but I've done it for him, for us. If he wasn't willing to do the same, then what, should I leave him, go back to being dishonest, wait for him to leave me? On bad days, these were the thoughts that dominated. What I couldn't help but wonder, is this what fear feels like? I think it was. My husband was lying to me, gaslighting me, sneaking, acting like a sociopath. And isn't that how we sociopaths are defined as liars without the ability to empathize? On such days, I saw what it must be like to be married to someone like me, and the irony is almost shimmering. I love that quote. It's like, dude, he didn't do anything near nearly as bad as what you said you did. Like,

she has to be aware. I was like, if this is true, hypothetically, this is a real person. She's really retarded for a PhD holder in psychology. Like, is this what the discipline has been reduced to? Right. Because the definition of sociopath is, well, it's more than just about lying. Yeah. And whether or not someone feels empathy is very up for debate. And I, like you said, I don't think that her husband was lying out of a lack of empathy. It was perhaps out of an overabundance of empathy. I think he just wanted to maintain the social harmony. The other thing is like it strikes me. I think she's giving herself kind of a pat on the back for being the type of girl who doesn't get mad at the fact that her husband entertains kind of ideas and

fantasies about other women. Like, she's more progressive and elevated than the other women who would be so pettiest to get jealous. Right. Which like, I think like the reality of being with a man or like living with a man is like you have to acknowledge that they, of course, think about other women. Like you're delusional if you think that they don't. But if it doesn't make you slightly jealous, that's also weird. Like you should be a little bit jealous, not necessarily act on it. I think it gets easier kind of in more mundane with age, right? Right. But that, but also that the expectation that because you're making efforts to counteract your sociopathic impulses, that your husband then be like brutally honest with you about his

fleeting feelings. Like an innocent co-worker. Yeah. Yeah. Is highly unreasonable. Yeah. We're talking about- And actually not something that a cunning, sophisticated sociopath would expect. They would sort of understand that your husband might be harboring a crush and then leverage that in some 40 chest move to ultimately have the upper hand in the end. They wouldn't be gunning for some kind of honest confrontation. Yeah. Exactly. You would keep it close to your, like keep it in your arsenal for like briefcase. I agree. It's very surprising that this woman claims to have a PhD. Yeah. That was like the kind of- Because her understanding of things seems to be very surface. Yeah. And that's like, that's sort of like where the PhD thing kind of like, you know,

is very revealing detail because if she's really a sociopath and it's questionable if women can even be sociopaths in the way that men are, I mean, probably has another nice quote about that. There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper. That's one of my favorite poll quotes from the Poglia Playbook. But would she have gone through all the trouble of becoming like a clinician or a researcher or whatever if she was really kind of sociopathically motivated? I think she's just ultimately being a little loose and generous with the, with the diagnosis. Yeah. Do you think of Elizabeth Holmes as a sociopath? No. I'm trying to think of like a female who would match that profile. It's very hard to- I think it's a much longer checklist than

this woman imagines. It's more, you know, even her very kind of binary understanding of truth and lies is surprising considering her. This bitch is autistic. I mean, that's often people who are Aspergian seem sociopathic because they, I think she probably is a little like spectromy. She's, she's a little autistic and a little narcissistic, which is kind of an Oroboros. Sure. And she sounds like, she sounds like basically also, yeah, like the more I think about it, as an autistic woman who has learned to modulate her behaviors and reactions to suit the outside world. Yeah. Which women are better at doing than men? Yes. Study show. But still holds the people around her to some autistic standard of, of emotional interaction. When she sort of expresses

that frustration for like, I've had to come clean about everything, about all of my bad behavior and feelings and sociopathies. It's like, I don't think that a true sociopath would feel the need to come clean. Has that kind of, yeah, has, or has those feelings of like, resentment. Yeah. Of like, double standard or something. But I guess, yeah, the major- They don't expect to be held to the same standards as other people and don't hold other people to the same standards that they hold themselves to. Yeah. Who do you mean, sociopaths? Yeah. Well, they see other people as expendable worms. Right. Narcissists also, for the most part, see other people as like expendable worms and two-dimensional specimens. But they lack the

guts to truly go through with anything because they are, again, dependent on the impressions of those people for their sense of identity, integrity. But I was thinking like the big question about this article that was like widely shared on social media and of course, reported by the New York Times, it's like, who is this for? Yeah. And it's for a specific target audience of female readers. Yeah. Even in its sappy sort of conclusion, where she says, through this experience with her husband having this innocuous crush on his coworker, she says, I couldn't help but smile thinking of the future of the days when we would be able to joke about the time we almost split up because he started acting like a sociopath,

and that in doing so, my husband was finally able to teach me the one thing I've been trying to learn all of my life, empathy. No, but this is like literally like a template, like a confessional for women who seek a justification to hold themselves to a different standard than they hold everybody else. Here's a good quote from TLP. When you make behaviors of disease, individuals lose and systems win. This is always true. They benefit in still being able to call something shameful without needing to take any responsibility for its creation. The point is to reveal that any individual suffering is secretly nurtured to maintain the integrity of the system. You're expendable, eat it. But the point is that it pays for them to

make certain behaviors or tendencies into disease. Yeah, a terminological thing, to give it a name, because then they always have an unassailable means of skirting out of responsibility. Right. Sociopathy is uncurable. Yeah, it's like a character defect. Yeah, it's one of those things that's not amenable to say go now out of your control. Yeah. I forgot what I was going to say, but that is like literally the NYT demo. It is. It's like offals or whatever. Malignant narcissistic offals. Yeah. I think sociopathy is going to be the new like limes or fiber of my own. Sorry, it's just that my sociopathy was firing up again. Yeah, like women fighting for the right to have the same mental illnesses as men.

Yeah. Any closing remarks? I have to pee. Yeah, me too. No, I'm done spinning my wheels. See, I'm wondering if we have any announcements. I don't think so. Do we have any announcements? No. Yeah, see you in hell. See you in hell.