Red Scare - The Hubermensch

Episode Date: April 4, 2024

The ladies review the new John Galliano doc and discuss the Candace Owens and Andrew Huberman sagas.

We're back. We're back. I'm a little under the weather. Me too. But it's going to be fun. I'm going to smoke a bunch of cigarettes and drink some skin contact wine, which is basically like kombucha. So that'll set me straight. I might do some hacking.

I'll really get it out of your system. Yeah, I felt. Please subscribe to our Patreon. I'm so sick. No, I just got a shitty cold because it was like, I mean a lot of people are getting sick. Yeah, I was sick. Because it got like warm. I made it all winter and then I got like a little warm out and then I got too comfortable. And then was like, you showed your chits outside.

Yeah, I took my top off and caught a chill. No, I like wasn't, you know, it's true. You do, I went outside with like wet hair. Yeah. That's all Lindy stuff. All those Russian old wives tales are true. Yeah, of course. If you sit on some stone, it will make you infertile. My mom told me that when I was in Kenya.

And instead of blush, you could use beets to give yourself that flushed and rouged look. And you should wear your clothes inside out so that the sun doesn't damage them. Vroom, vroom, vroom. My grandmother does. I'm like, cool, so I look totally mentally ill. But the sun doesn't damage your clothes.

Right, yeah. See? And never throw a jar away. Why not? Because you never know when you're gonna eat it. It's like, this is a good jar. You can't, you're gonna just throw a perfectly good glass jar away.

You can put a mocktail in it. You could pickle some vegetables in it for the long winter ahead. You play one of those jelly bean games where you count how many are in there. The list goes on, yeah. I just, did you watch it today? Yeah.

We both watched the John Galliano doc. The John Galliano doc. High and low. Mm-hmm. About his highs and lows. Really just one low. Three, technically. Which nobody knew about,

and even he was too like, wet-brained. Yeah, he was like, what? But it was all the same. Like Lexi. Were there really three? Yeah, just three antismitic outbursts. At the Pearl, which I've made pilgrimage to in honor of Galeano.

How is that? Because I'm such a fan girl, I mean, it's a real dump. I love Hitler. I, people like you would be dead. But there's a very lovely and sweet waitress there, Margot, who recognized me from the pod. Because I was camped out there with Heiji and Mathew at L'Apparel. And it was like in that inner city all hour where they don't serve any food or drinks. And you're just like sitting there.

Just having an anti-semitic outburst. But I was telling you, I really envy John Galliano and his career trajectory. I mean, Siobhan, she, Dior, Margiela, but no, I envy him because- Another Catholic success story. I know. He's just like, we've been real. With possible Sephardic roots.

Totally. I love Galliano. I've always like identified with him because much like Marc Jacobs, he's another one of my celebrity doppelgangers. Just like you know who would be great in a Galeano biopic. We've said this. Me. Peter Vak.

Yeah, totally. He has that shy, gay overbite and saccharine smile that I'm such a sucker for. He's so cute. He's so cute. He's so cute, yeah. When he was young and stuff and like coming up. I'm the John and you're the Kate. Oh, that's so sweet. But.

Yeah, we gotta get some pics of them together. Anna and Dasha's. I wanna be friends with him so bad. Kate's so fucking cool. And I want him on the pod. She's so cool. And I love that first Gagliano look she did, obviously with the sausage curls and the iron cross. Yeah, we're. on the pod. She's so cool. And I love that first Galeano look she did obviously with the sausage curls and the iron cross.

Yeah. And the diaper, that's so me. Yeah. That's exactly what I'm like. When I look in the mirror, that's what I see. Yeah. Auto-gynophile. Ah!

When I look in the mirror, I see like late career John Galeano. Yeah. With dreadlocks. When I look in the mirror, I see like late career John Gellio. With dreadlocks. Like Norwood with lasered skin. And like a faint mustache. Just fantastic. Dressed like a Hasidic Jew.

But no, I'm super jealous of him because I too fantasize about having an anti-semitic outburst and getting sent to a fancy rehab by my boyfriend and my business manager. Yeah. That's the dream. And he's like anti-fragile because he landed on his feet like all little gay twinks. I know, I know. I love- And I love that his real name is Juan Galeano.

Juan Carlo Galiano. Morrissey voice. Juan Carlo Galeano. Guillen. Um, well, so I foolishly thought this documentary was streaming. Yeah, me too. Which it is not, so I guess... And then I had an antisemitic meltdown last night because I was desperately trying to find a source to stream it.

I went on the service Enby, which is where you find it's like the Kim's video of the internet. It's where you find like the do you see the Kim's video preview? Yeah, I did. Looks very watching that. Uh, the Russian Facebook has a lot of streams, but I like couldn't sign into it Yeah, and then saw that it was playing at the quad So I just went and saw it there, but it'll probably be I don't know. No one asked us really But they want us to talk about Candice Owens and Andrew Huberman well, we will we will we will But it is really funny that his life was temporarily destroyed over these antisemitic outbursts.

And when he was very clearly struggling with alcoholism and burnout. I love when they're like prior to the incidents when people are starting to realize that he's an alcoholic and trying to kind of like rehabilitate him, but not really because they need him. Because they don't care. 32 shows a year.

Yeah, that's insane. He was like working like a dog. But then there was that one anecdote where they would say, tell me he was an alcoholic and he would take his shirt off and say, does this look like the body of an alcoholic? I was like, fuck yeah. Kind of. A lot of alcoholics are really skinny. But this look like the being a total alcoholic and saying, do I have the body of an alcoholic is incredible. Obviously, he was drunk and overextended and also very obviously those antisemitic remarks about how dirty and ugly Jews were pointed at himself because he felt dirty and ugly like the proverbial Jew.

And everybody in the documentary is like, why did he do that? Was he racist? They're like struggling to understand why he would make such remarks in a drunken stupor at the Pearl to someone who's like, I don't like your hair, you have no hair. You're bald.

Yeah, he's just like our hair. Yeah, it's two people who were not Jewish. Yeah, none of the people were Jewish. And then the ADL gets involved, of course, and subjects him to a public humiliation ritual where he has to do homework and meet with community leaders and Holocaust survivors. He has to go to Holocaust school

because he calls this guy from Conde Nast. It's funny how everything though is blamed on Jews except for antisemitism. I know. Anyway, so yeah, he calls the Conde Nast chairman. Who then, I mean, it's so crazy how the Conde Nast guy is like, I reached out to these Jewish leaders and I was like, what?

I was like, they're trying, literally they're doing damage control through the ADL apology tour and the only like all these Jewish leaders are like no no no and then finally he gets this guy rabbi Barry Marcus who's a quote holocaust educator who makes him read all these books books as part of his humiliation ritual. His ordeal of civility. And then he dresses up like a civic guy. And it's reported by the New York Post. And he says, it was a fashion look.

That's all he says. It was a fashion look. And I was like, true. He's such a saucy little troll. And then the guy, the ADL guy is like, you could have criticized the Buddhist, the Chinese, the French. As always, Jews are asking for special pleading

and unprincipled exceptions, always. Well, he did- It's okay if you criticize everybody else, but not us. Well, in the first incident, one of the men who he lashed out at was Asian and he called him an Asian bastard. Yeah I love that guy too. He was like originally a liar. He was like I forgive him because I actually don't think he's racist and anti-semitic. The Daily Mail reported this it was set in court and then in the

documentary they interview this Asian guy and he's like, he's like French speaking, he's like, oh, but I take that back now because actually I do think he's racist and anti-Semitic and after that I got really sick. And he gives us like, woe is me sob story about how. And then his sleazy weasel lawyer offers some supplemental commentary where he's like,

yeah, you know, it's like, when you say these things, they have consequences. And he says, when someone's identity is called into question, and I was like, well, he is an Asian bastard. Like, and how feeble is he that this is something that would destroy lost his lust for life. He stopped working. He wasn't the same. What are you talking about? Because some guy yelled at him at a cafe and he went to the police and they went to the news. Come on now.

Come on, be serious. It's ridiculous. But the documentary I thought was so well done. It was. It was so fun to watch, especially the first two thirds before it delves into the, I mean the whole thing's just a total romp. Yeah.

Yeah, him coming up through fashion school and being as talented as he is and read his alcoholism, they say at one point, how can you be so, what was it? I forget who said it, but someone was like, how can you be so creative was it I forget who said it but someone was like how can you be so creative all the time and stay sane and I was like literally true like this man is like giving us an alcohol like yeah like of course he's gonna go fucking nuts and notice who who stood by him when everybody abandoned him Kate and Naomi Kate I love what no means like I didn't watch that video I know because I know what he's like as a person.

She was so Conde and then Kate gave him his first comeback because she had him design her wedding dress. Yeah. And she's like, and I know what it's like. No, it's not. Have the whole world hate when they make right about you and the news. And also all the rumors about her were true. She was a drunk. Only dated bad boy rockers. Yeah. I love Kate so much because-

So much. In photos and on the catwalk, she looks like an ethereal little princess, but she's actually like a totally like low class, crass, chav, bar wench. She's like a- Who's like, you won't mate? Yeah, totally.

Yeah, they found her in like a pig farm I'm something and it's crazy to watch her talk and emote because she has such like Down market mannerisms. Yeah, like she's not a classy lady. She's not she's so like yeah She's one of us She's a little gremlin and that really made me love her. It's so impressive that somebody could be so many different things.

I know, a real model. They don't make them like they used to. And Naomi too, she's like a brawling little slut. Totally. She's like Foxy Brown or Lil Kim. So gorgeous, flawless, and confident and ice cold, just being like, I didn't watch that video. Good for her.

They're like, oh, why not? She's like, I didn't watch the video. I watched the video and agreed with every part of it. And then I love the part where he says, hold on, let me pull it up. I wrote this one down. I was like in the theater on my phone because there was only two other people there.

Yeah, me too. I was like making notes and like cackling. I was like started laughing right away literally when they showed like the La Perola in the first like sequence I like just burst out laughing because I knew it was coming. When he says like, you know, it's very hard to acknowledge that you're racist, but if you really think about it, we're all kind of racist, and you should just like learn to unlearn that. Well, I love, yeah, when they're asking like, why did you say it? And he's like, I don't know.

And that's like really the party line he holds, even though he like has apologized because he wanted his career back, because work is the only thing that means anything to him. But yeah, it's so true to be like, I don't know. I don't know why I said that. Who among us has not? And everybody's like, oh, in vino veritas or whatever. No, but then they talk to that psychiatrist who says, no, no, no, when you're an addict. You just be saying a bunch of shit you say

whatever whatever comes which is so true actually speaking from experience i'd be saying whatever another funny part of the documentary is how they repeatedly describe him as an Englishman because he's representative of like the English punk aesthetic. But realistically, he's also so Spanish. Like somebody described him very aptly as a torero and he does have that. I actually. All the footage of him coming out at the end of the show

is like a total bullfighter. Like a swashbuckling pirate. And he has that very Spanish maritime and or gypsy aesthetic. It's like Don Quixote. Totally, roughly shirts. Well, the film is intercut with this Napoleon movie that he cites as like profoundly inspiring for his first collection,

which was very Napoleonic French Renaissance. And then, yeah, then they kind of keep alluding to it because they're trying to like stitch together like this Napoleonic narrative. And then, but then there's this one really like, yeah, they're asking him about if he feels Napoleonic and then they're intercutting it with footage of him literally dressed like Napoleon.

And he's like, no, I don't know what you're talking about as they're like flashing footage of the Napoleon movie, him dressed like Napoleon. And he's like, no, I don't know what you're talking about as they're like flashing footage of the Napoleon movie, him dressed like Napoleon, like all this. He doesn't dress like Napoleon, he dresses like the puss in boots. It's like, yeah, like roughly shirt, tiny vest, floppy hat. There's that one show where he's literally

is doing the Napoleon hand in pocket. Like he is just doing Napoleon. Yeah, I mean. He's like, I don't know why you're saying that. I really love him because all of his references are so deep but so obvious. And he's like us, he's like a huge gay nerd who's into like art history and poetry and literature.

And he like sbergs out on it. Like all of the collections that were like Rajasthan, Mughal, Afghanistan. Yemen, yeah. Well, yeah, the two things that shocked me actually about his life. First of all, was when he first went to Paris for Couture Week and people doubted him. I was like, why would they doubt him? You know, like, of course he's going to crush it at Couture Week. And then this first kind of brush with cancellation or whatever you want to call it, where he did his like the whole Zoolander Dara leaked campaign and then like

homeless people got mad. And I was like, since winter, like, Bitch, you're homeless. How are you reading the news and what rights do you have to be mad? Don't you have a bigger problem? Don't you have to steal copper wire to buy crack? What are you talking about? Don't you want a cigarette?

Shouldn't you be busking? Can't I give you a cigarette to take your mind off here? He's spiritually homeless. Totally, and that show was also not, it was like, yeah, it was like Charlie Chaplin and the Tramps and like, so. The thing like innocuous that I was like damn like and a culture wars been elevated homelessness they should be flattered I can't imagine and since when are they like a vocal lobby that people oh

and he says yeah he was inspired by the people he saw when he was jogging by the people he saw when he was jogging. The Sien or whatever. And he said, and they're very humble and brave people. And some of them chose to live though. I know, so true. Like fucking true. When progressive activists and homeless advocates are like, oh, the homelessness problem would be solved

if we all just gave them resources at home. If we put them on a catwalk, okay. A raving vagrant serving cunt. Like, since when? That is crazy. In the Jordan Neely collection. Oh, God. I tried to show the baby a thriller last night. Oh, interesting. A little scary, no? And he shrieked when Michael Jackson turns to

the girl and his eyes are yelling. Oh, that's so cute. I felt so bad. His first traumatic experience it is. Actually for a child I realized later that it was way too bad. I'm over stimulating and I'm a bad mother. But the thing with documentaries is that I love watching them because you can never tell how fake and arbitrary the storylines are. You can really weave a narrative out of kind of like... Like where they tried to overplay his strict and abusive upbringing at the hands of his father in society.

Yeah. I mean, his father was obviously a very conservative bourgeois Spaniard who was not down with his son being flamboyantly gay and sometimes wailed on him for his like displays of homosexuality. Yeah. But that doesn't seem too bad in the grand scheme of things.

Well, yeah, and then also kind of shoehorning in the Catholic thing that like any, you know, but I was kind of like, this is another W for Catholicism as far as I'm concerned. And the Catholic priest get up. Oh, basically a papal guy. Yeah, yeah. The outfit where the guy has like the incense thing and the hat.

What do you call those things? And then he goes to look at it again when he returns. Oh, that part was so touching. Where he sees Fatima again. He reunites with Fatima. And she's so sincere. And so just like, it's so good to see. I just want you to be well, you know?

It's like, he is such a special... And he's clearly shut down and closed off and vaguely uncomfortable. Because they're filming him. He can't handle it. I mean, he is just such an incredible talent. And I'm a huge fan of Galeano, obviously, but I have to say I like his personal style even more than his designs,

which can be a little too costumey. Well, it's all, yeah, it's very couture. It's like, but I like how like, he's an artist, it's all, yeah, it's very couture. It's like. But I like how like. He's an artist, he's not even like. Cosplayer his aesthetic is because nowadays hot couture is like very pared down and sterile and boring. Yeah. Or it's dowdy and frumpy.

Except for that Margiela show. I mean, all of his Margiela shows have been incredible. Yeah, I mean, he just has it. He's like divinely talented, undeniable. And okay, also in the famous video of I guess the second anti-Semitic incident where he's saying people are like, you would be gassed and stuff,

the women making the video are like giggling. Yeah, they're kind of like, it's like, it doesn't, he's not. They just think that he's like some weird eccentric. Yeah. Hobo. It doesn't seem like he's like doing harm. Yeah. He's like saying some no-no stuff, obviously, but like, I don't buy that anyone actually

was like so deeply wounded by anything he said. Yeah, he's like one of those like stylish but raw and old ladies that you see around Paris who are legitimately racist and anti-semitic. Yeah, it's the culture. He's just assimilating. Oh, the black show that he did in that woman's hotel peculiar where he put the girls in LBDs and they were an Anna Wintour was like and then for 10 years, women wore little black dresses.

The slips. Yeah, yeah. And what he did for the bias cut and everything and the I loved when he put the girls in white and then drench them with water and stamped. Yeah, go on their foreheads. It's like it is. It's so... It's giving Elena a blast.

I mean, hello. And someone, one of his friends early in the doc says like he only, in reference to the hobo show that pissed people off so much for some reason, I can't even imagine. But she says that he only sees the surface of things. And I was like, yeah, he's an artiste. He's allowed to draw inspiration from whatever he wants. The superficial is often the most profound. He's the hello.

You can't, what's that quote that's like, Ding dong. He's hello. You can't you know, what's that quote? That's like Ding-dong you have to like look down to find God or something. I don't know Yeah, there is like truth and beauty in surface in form and like artifice artifice and fantasy. He says it's like it's all part of his. It's just yeah, it's awesome. Highly, highly recommend when he's like the sewing, the tailoring, the styling, the finish on.

Yeah, it's just fabulous. You know, I just loved it. And I love how he's so inspired. Some guy in the documentary is like. 32 collections. It's crazy. A year, shoes, bags, sunglasses. It doesn't have to be that way. No man can withstand that much pressure.

And then his fat friend, Steven dies. Oh yeah, Steven Robinson. Steven Robinson has been holding him down this whole, of course he's gonna have the pressure. I was like, of course that guy's gonna die from the moment that he stepped onto the screen. So sad. And yeah, and then the kind of like diagnostics of the like various Jewish professionals he

goes to to rehabilitate himself is that he basically committed a kind of like social suicide because he was like cracking under the pressure. I just love that the entire fashion world is basically propped up by fat unhealthy guys in Lacoste polos and Levi's jeans who look like they work as like mailroom clerks at Barclays or something. Propping up a guy wearing like bedazzled jeans and thigh high boots. Yeah, some Jack Sparrow ass boob. Totally incredible. jeans and thigh high boots. Yeah, some Jack Sparrow ass boob. Totally.

Incredible. I love the dreads when he has like weird blonde dreadlocks. How come he never got canceled for the dreads because Marc Jacobs sure did. Right. I'm sure there was, who knows. And what's up with that specific, it's like a phenotype slash an archetype of fashion gay

Galliano, Marc Jacobs, Nicholas Jusquière, there's like, I don't know if I'm pronouncing his name correctly, but there's that type of guy always with like the Freddie Mercury shy smile. That's like my favorite, most relatable kind of- John Gallagher, come on the pod? Yeah, can we be your muses? You are too fat and ugly and Jewish.

You have no hair. John Galliano, come to Sovereign House. Please. Yeah, Kate's a great ride or die. A lot of good just archival footage, just really like inspiring. And I do think it was very impressive in the documentary how they did toe a very boilerplate, libtard line.

Yeah, but they let kind of it speak for itself. And he says at one point, right, that he doesn't want to be forgiven, he wants to be understood. Well, and that lady you mentioned Robin Chauvin of Way Po who was like, because he was to be understood. Which I also. Well, and that lady you mentioned, Robin Chauvin of Way Po, who was like, because he was a white man. Yeah. That's why he was allowed to come back.

It's like, no, it's cause he's a genius. It's cause, I mean, that's like, Kanye's allowed to come back too. It's like, you can't kind of like, who also has had some anti-Semitic incidents, by the way. Like, you kind of. They're has had anti-semitic incidents by the way like you kind of they're allowed to come back because they're geniuses and also everybody low-key agrees that they're anti-semitic remarks well also they make choose money that's true like and it was like so i found it so interesting actually how how so many of the people

in the documentary who claim to have been wronged by his scandalous remarks sort of want specific apologies delivered to them, you know? Like they're like, I would forgive him, but it's very unchristian. I can't tell if that's a French thing or a Jewish thing. Well, no, the Asian guy says it too. He's like, he never said sorry to me.

Then Galiano says he claims that he did when they were in court, that they had like a moment of recognition where he did apologize for hurting them, but the Asian guy doesn't remember it. That was a bizarre, uncharacteristic thing because in these kinds of cancellation campaigns, you never really hear people asking for apologies or implying that an apology will fix the situation.

Yeah. So it was interesting that that was like kind of like a common refrain from various subjects in the doc that like, that they wanted him specifically to apologize to them and then they would forgive him. Who was that guy? Sidney Toledano, he's like a Sephardic Jew and I think he was like the chairman of Dior or something. He was the one who was like,

well, I will never forgive him because he never apologized. And then later on he was like, well, he came to me seven years later and apologized so I have forgiven him. And it's like, oh, you mean he did the 12th step and got to whatever whichever step it is, four or six where you like go door to door apologizing to people.

But as a Christian, you know, you forgive people not because they look you in the eyes and tell you they're sincerely sorry, but because you know that you yourself are broken and prone to racist type and you would want people to do the same for you. It's like forgiveness isn't, it almost like cheapens forgiveness

to like demand the apology. Right. You know? Right. It like, it's not, that's not real forgiveness. It's something like, it becomes something transactional and like, I don't know. Yeah.

And it made me feel- The transaction is the only way that you can sort of signal in public that justice has been served, I guess. Yeah. Like, are you really forgiving someone if you are basically trying to save face by not preemptively forgiving them? Right.

I think the most touching part of the documentary for me was when his father called him up in his deathbed and what's his name? Bernard Arnaud, Samahayek's husband, LVMH, flew him out to the funeral next day, which he clearly didn't want to and was avoiding, but they booked him on a first class flight so he couldn't say no.

But he said that during that phone call, his father said, I love you, which is sweet. And he said, my parents never told me that ever, and I was like, he really just like me for real. But then yeah, there's that interview with him after the show later that day where he's like, I just got back from my father's funeral. He's all like glassy eyed, you know?

And people, it's yeah, it's like, I really felt for him with like the, like even having to do like way less, way, way, way less press than he had had to do in addition to all of the other work that he'd been doing. But like it is so exhausting to like be trotted out and giving interviews and like, yeah, like a show. Yeah. Like it's like, I mean, that was very relatable to Those were some of my favorite clips of the documentary where they were wheeling him out and he was clearly drunk and disobeyed.

He's like zoning out. He like can't even handle it. And he was like, that's major or that mediocre bitch. And he was like bleary eyed. He's like blinking back tears. I've been there. Basically totally. I'm like Kate Moss, I've been there.

I know what it's like when, you know. That's how I felt in that photo with Tim Dillon in RFK and Cheryl. I was so drunk and they were propping me up like weekend at Bernie's and I was literally gonna collapse. And I think I did after. How was your, how was dining with Mr. President? How is your, how is dining with Mr. President?

First of all, I have to say that it's amazing to be the wife of a rich man. Yeah, congratulations. He flies you out first class, he puts you up in the Beverly Hills Hotel, he takes you to a whirlwind dinner with RFK Junior that feels like a curb episode meets a Tom Wolf novel. I'm just a lowly little immigrant rubbing shoulders with Camelot.

It's unbelievable, dude. You've made it. You've achieved the American dream. It was actually, I know. You're with a Kennedy. It was actually insane and retarded. I told Dasha a little about this. There are many things I cannot say.

Of course, under. I cannot say. Under threats of burglary. Mm-hmm. But. But Anna had an anti-Semitic outburst. Yeah. The rest of his.

I really did, for real. Yeah. You're like, you have to name them, Robert. Yeah, and I was like, who? Excuse me. He just unveiled his VP pick. Right, and I was like, who? Excuse me. He just unveiled his VP pick. Right, you were telling me and I forgot right away. In this totally retarded ceremony

where there was like an indigenous rain dance and land declaration surrounded by like black community leaders. And his VP pick is this woman, Nicole Shanahan, who is the ex-wife of Sergey Brin and a Silicon Valley lawyer. And actually the dinner was in honor of her. It was held in her sprawling Malibu compound in this beautiful gated community.

And the whole time I was sitting there and was like, when is the Veep gonna show up? Right. Because I assumed it would be like Caitlyn Jenner, like Jessie Ventura. And I was met by this very pretty but very unassuming young woman. She was wearing like a chunky knit sweater and denim wide legs and Moroccan booboo slippers

and holding a mug of tea with both hands, like a stock photo. Tim was like, that's her, that's her. And I'm so proud of you. Thank you. Actually. I really fucked my way to the top. What heights.

I actually, it's gonna be epic when I- And all it had to do was get married to Tim Tim. No, it's gonna be really epic when I finally divorce Tim for cheating on me with men. And donate half his money to regime change, open borders NGOs. He didn't bank on that. He's not ready, he didn't know.

But she asked us what advice we had for her because she was nervous that she would be eaten alive because the press would lead with her very public divorce with the allegations that she had an affair with Elon Musk. And I was so drunk and overstimulated at some point, I turned to her and asked her point blank if the rumors were true and if she did fuck Elon and she was like, no.

But I think, I gave her pretty good advice. I told her that I never take myself, never explain, never apologize what would Trump do. But I think she should lean into the Elon rumors, whether or not they're true. Her campaign should be, I fucked Elon. Totally. And people would clap and cheer because I forgot who wrote this about Donald Trump,

but the poor in the working class really loved him and rallied around him because he was the first president who didn't condescend to them. And he made it about himself and not about them. And he was out there complaining about how now that he's a high profile political figure, he has to ride in like an armored car surrounded by a security detail and it's also ugly.

And instead of pitying them, he made them pity him. And that really, you know, endears people of an aspirational mindset. So what all happened? That sounds like you did some good political consulting. I have to pee really quick. Yeah, go off. I'm just gonna rant into the mic.

That's how you tell everyone what happened. Yeah. I smoked so many cigarettes that night. I basically sounded like RFK Jr. by the end of it. Like, so Tim, what did you think of that? But anyway, this girl, she's giving us a house tour. She's leading us through her Banana Grove and Avocado Orchard and Goat Farm

against this backdrop that's giving Jurassic Park. At one point, JFK's really hot household son shows up and immediately announces that he served in the Ukraine, Dad, it's your night. When did he go to Ukraine? I think like a year or two ago, and immediately I wanted to know- So he's not like fresh back from Ukraine yeah

but I'm like is it the real thing or is it like one of those safaris in Africa where the locals line up the shot you know so I asked him if he saw combat he said that indeed he did I don't know how you as the scion of one of the most famous families in America go over to the Ukraine. He told us he was using an alias. Then this- He's a mercenary? Like what? Really pretty and airy artist girl shows up like, oh, I walked from my farm.

They're like serving us farm to table fare cooked up by a Korean girl boss chef. Wow. Tim said the funniest thing, at a table fair cooked up by a Korean girl boss chef. Wow. Tim said the funniest thing, everyone thinks that the ultra rich are drinking baby's blood, but they're actually just eating farm to table. Yeah, so true.

So it's true, yeah. I mean, after, did you broach the Twitter posts that are of you to meet him? I didn't, I didn't. And I'm really- You were beautiful? I didn't, but he did tell me I was beautiful. So, oh my God.

Oh my God. I'm so jealous, dude. He said I had an Armenian girlfriend in Watertown. Yeah! Who was just as beautiful as you. Oh my God. The high point of the evening for me was really Cheryl because she's so gorgeous in person.

I believe it. It's insane. And she's so bubbly and diplomatic. You never know what she's thinking. That's what you call a good actress. And she was always the high point of curb for me because everybody else on that show was a professional comedian who was playing

like a version of themselves that they did really well. And she was like the one character who wasn't supposed to be actively funny, but I think she was the funniest one. Like when she subtly signaled her disapproval and disappointment at Larry. Yeah, okay Larry.

Yeah, her sighing and stuff. She'd make a great first lady. So on that basis alone, I would root for JFK. I did tell him I was voting for Trump and they gasped. But yeah. I know it's really, it's tough. I make the mistake all the time, call him JFK. Yeah, but it was a bit of a gaffe, but whatever, I'll live.

And I mean, the campaign is interesting because the other thing I forgot to tell RFK, because again, I was- Is he gonna come on our show? No. He should, no, he he can I'm sure he would is that um he's a guy I want to sit on his lap I know I know he would let us to um I want to take a classic red scare pic or like flanking the um no but they're like hover handing us but we're like he's a guy inventing it who's obviously very brave and I think sincere and I'm like kind of broadly on board with everything that he's saying like I like him the vaccine stuff.

I'm a Kennedy Democrat. The medical stuff, 5G and smartphones will give you cancer. Like all Kennedy Democrats, his blind spot is really race because he doesn't see how the racial issue has been leveraged now. He doesn't know. Yeah, for all sorts of nefarious ends. The way that they tried to explain their campaign was that they would lead with a lot of this vaccine injury

and mitochondrial disorder stuff, and I think that's really just gonna lose a lot of people. I mean, I don't know if they stand a chance in the first place. Well, a third party is a tough campaign to run in the first place. But he is very popular and he's polling well, according to some sources, right?

And also I think that the pic of Nicole Shanahan, I mean, also I liked her, she was very sweet, is weird. I understand that it's partly because she's Sergey Brin's ex-wife and therefore an endless source of campaign funds. But I think she represents probably the most hated demographic in America, which is like- Tech sector libs?

Yeah, millennial white woman. She's half Chinese, but still my point stands. So I sympathize with her fears that they're gonna eat her alive. Sure. Buckle up, girl. Get ready. It's gonna be a bumpy ride. What else happens? Especially now that Trump's unleashed his, God bless the USA Bible.

Yeah. With a low, low cost of 55 million. Also includes some of the founding documents of this country, like the Constitution. It's like a book of his tweets. The Bill of Rights, the Pledge of Allegiance. And a lot of Americans don't know that their rights are at risk of being lost.

So if they read the Trump Bible, which I mean, I spent $75 on that Trump autograph that was like, I assumed at least an intern or someone would at least like take a pen to paper and like forge a signature. It was just a picture of him with like text, like in handwriting font. Not even very convincing.

That's so Trumpian. That's like Dasha Nikersova, thank you for all your support. With your help we'll make America great again. Donald Trump just not even remotely trying to look like a signature. And that was 75 bucks. And I got the white MAGA hat.

And he keeps trying to sell me on the black MAGA hat, but yeah, that's a little too like crust punk or something. I'm not interested. But I got the white one. I mean, they're really ill-fitting, but they're great objects. Are they like, they're like the soft kind? No, they're not.

It's exactly like that. It's that big kind of bulky square. It looks like it's not for a big blocky head. Yeah, it's like for a big blocky head Yeah, it's like it's like a Phil Braskey head. Yeah but yeah, another thing I didn't get about the Sun is that It turns out that he's a fan of the pod. Oh What? RFK jr's hot son Connor come on the pot honor and tell us about the Ukraine. Actually, I'm not gonna do that.

I'm not gonna steal Tim's scoop. But what I don't get about that is like, okay, he's a fan of the pod. He's a fan of Tim. He knows what Tim and I and his father have said about the Ukraine, that it's like an American proxy war guaranteed by an unpayable loan that's masquerading as a gift.

So what was his calculus in going to the Ukraine? What kind of Freudian family odyssey is this? I don't wanna counter signal the RFK campaign too hard because I'm still holding out hope that they're gonna salary Tim and me as like a husband, wife duo of political consultants. That'll definitely happen, yeah, for sure. No, it is, it is interesting, for sure.

The other thing that I forgot to bring up to him because I was just so starstruck is, I mean, he's a guy who's like fairly meaningful to me because he was the lawyer that brought suit against Monsanto for Roundup. He's done a lot of incredible work. Yeah, which is like that's. The real Dr. Fauci, hello.

It caused non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, which is the cancer that Eli's dad died from because he was spraying Roundup on his Cape home. And the cancer that Steve Saylor survived because he was probably spraying on his golf course. On the golf course from his profile picture. Yeah he's like Aaron Brockovich. Yeah so he's done a lot of great things.

No he's a great guy. I like I've always liked him. Catholic once again another another one win for the team I'd vote for him. I don't know. I'm undecided. Mm-hmm, you know I don't know I could be persuaded Yeah, if I took us with it with a political consultant consultant salary or a cabinet position. Just a seat on his lap. Really, it was all it would take. It was just a little squeeze around the waist.

His son was like, oh, I tried to get him to listen to that episode where you guys talk about him. And he was like, oh, you mean the one where we said he got his throat disorder from eating too much pussy? Yeah, let's get him to listen to that. Yeah, I could be swayed. Anyway, congrats. Should we move on to Candace Owens? Yeah. Yeah. Dasha, I have a question for you.

Can you explain the concept of Christ as King to me because it's totally over my head and I understand that now it's being used as an anti-Semitic dog whistle. I get all that. But like who is this guy Christ and why is he king? Because he is the son of God, the son of man. He was born of the Holy Spirit and the blessed Virgin Mary and God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son so that those who believe in him will not perish, because this earth, this world that we live in, is fleeting, temporary. heaven where Christ is king of heaven and we are all as Christians merely his handmaids and servants because we understand that our brief life here on is in service to our Lord, Jesus Christ. But is this a concept that Christians use typically

because I've been around enough Christians and I've never heard anybody say it until now. I've seen it here and there sparingly. The Christian Kanye album was called Christ is King, or Jesus is King, or Jesus is King or whatever. When he was crucified, died for our sins, they mocked him by putting the crown of thorns on him

and crowning him as King of the Jews. Right, brutal. So yeah, Christians kind of- Nickentes sent him a you are Jewish. Well, yeah, so Christians affirm his, his kingdom and his Okay. And then the mission as our Lord and Savior as the the king of our our lives and souls. Okay, and then my next question is, why is this coming up now when I feel like most of the conservative base doesn't really understand,

I mean, they understand what it means, but they don't really understand the pertinence, and we're also in the middle of an election year. Yeah, it's, well, also antisemitism is, is festering on Elon Musk's ex, as we know. And so my understanding is like, yeah, Candice Owens in her aftermath of her ousting from Daily Wire.

I can never get, I always get Daily Wire and Daily Caller confused. Daily Wire is Ben Shapiro's media enterprise. Conglomerate. She is sort of weaponized, the phrase that now, cynical kind of like online, not just Christians, but also Muslims are just, yeah, people are using it very cynically

to menace and harass Jewish people. I see, okay. Which is very un-Christ-like, because the thing about- Because we're supposed to be converting them, not we, I'm not a Christian here, but. Yeah, they are not a Christian here, but... Yeah, they are not exempt from salvation if they accept Christ as their savior, sure, but...

Like Andrew Clavon, who's the most reasonable of the Daily Wire staffers. But, you know, also as Christians, we are meant to live our lives in imitation of Christ, knowing that we will always fall short of the perfect example that he set. But it's not very Christ-like to like- Well, to go around bullying and menacing people. Yeah, to weaponize.

Well, it's all like, famously part of what Christ did was kind of let the Jews do their thing. Yeah, that's true. famously part of what Christ did was kind of let the Jews do their thing. Yeah. Big part of Christianity is yeah, like turning the other cheek and like allowing the Jews really to fulfill the scripture, you know, murder Christ, because he had to, to redeem the world. And we're all co-redeemers in God's master plan,

which you could make the case involves like letting the Jews do what they will. Right, God's plan. Exactly. It's not up to you. You can't control the situation. It was God's plan. Jesus was God.

He was also human. He had two natures, which is what makes his sacrifice so significant that he was a little bit like us, but also totally divine. You know what I just realized? Yeah, John Galliano should do a Holocaust collection. He read a lot of books about it. He would nail it. I'm surprised he didn't draw inspiration from those verbinical texts from the Talmud. I thought you were going to say from the striped.

Well, that too. But uniforms. Yeah, no, there's a lot there. I mean, okay, my my whole hot take on this Candice Owens Ben Shapiro situation is that she wanted to go independent and he wanted to let her go. And they struck some deal, whether it was official or not. Maybe it was totally like informal or even subconscious where they would part ways. And both of them have basically won because they come out looking like freedom fighters to their respective audiences. Like she's out there shouting down Jewish hypocrisy and he's out there defending the Jewish cause.

I don't love what Candace Owens is doing. What is she doing? The anti-Semitic kind of dog whistling. They're like stoking the- Is she doing anti-Semitic dog whistling? That's my question because okay. Or naughty, I wouldn't even say it's dog whistling. It's pretty overt.

I know Candace Owens is known to have said some pretty outlandish things in the past. For instance, her most recent media arcs about Brigitte Macron being a tranny or Puff Daddy being blackmailed by the Illuminati. Those seem like very lowest common denominator conspiracy theories that are pandering to the worst elements of her audience.

But I've seen enough clips of her on the Jewish question by now, and nothing that she says there has been particularly outlandish or beyond the pale to me. Maybe I'm missing something. There was an article. I just think she's a little, I don't think she's stupid. No, she knows what she's doing, but she is a little bit of like, she's under the thrall of when does, yeah, and a little bit of like a parrot. Like,

I don't, I don't know, a lot of this vulgar antisemitism is... Bothers me just because it's like... I'm like, you don't even know... Yeah, well that was... What are you even talking? When you say, what are you even talking about? Well, that's my impression with somebody like Nick Fuentes. He's very bright and talented. No, he is. He is. I mean, I agree. He's very bright and talented and no he is he is I know I mean I agree He has a way with words he has

He really impressive skill of into extemporaneous speaking that very few people have unlike Owens. I think he knows That it's He has a sense of humor which he does does not. Yeah, he can sort of laugh at himself. But when he talks about Jews, it feels very much like some kind of like received idea meme language where it's like it feels like almost like he hasn't actually met any Jews and doesn't know what they're really like. Yeah, that's my impression. I may be wrong. Don't want to counter signal that.

Don't want to get on that guy's bad side. We already are. I know, I know. But okay, there was that commentary article that Barry Weiss retweeted approvingly that supposedly proves what like a hateful and vitriolic anti-Semite Candace Owens is. And all of the quotes are just facts. Like there was the one about the hypocrisy of media

and academia Jews portraying themselves as defenders of free speech against the tide of wokeness, but then shutting down pro-Palestine protests on campus or getting people fired from their jobs for pro-Palestine remarks. Like that's not anti-Semitics, that's just facts. And I love Barry Weiss, I think she's a sweetheart, I have nothing bad to say about her personally, but I really don't understand her position in all of this. I'm naive. Yeah, I'm a little checked out.

Well, because she's so good on a lot of issues. For instance, the trans kids issue, the Andrew Huberman takedown, which we'll talk about later, but she has this absolute glaring blind spot when it comes to the question of Jews. Yeah, it feels like Quentin has like, she's just kind of parroting these talking points. And so I'm sitting here wondering

if she really believes this stuff. No, I think she's cynical. Or if she's just like milking the discourse. Is this an ideological crusade or is it a business calculation? Because it can't be both. Those things are in conflict with one another. It's like what Candice Owens told her former boss,

Ben Shapiro, when she quoted the scripture and said, the designs of money and God are in opposition with one another, they're mutually exclusive. Yeah, but what do you think she's doing? It's like, and all, that's not the point of Christianity. And all, that's not the point of Christianity. Yeah, but like what? Is to like pwn people. Yeah, yeah.

With like cynical slogans. Yeah. Ripped from scripture, it's not. I mean, I'd respect her more if literally she said like Jews are going to hell, you know, if she actually like took some hard Christian line about well, I read the Christian project, which is about the salvation of people's souls. Yeah. But instead, it's all this very like surface level political jargon. I would say that has to do with eternity. It's very earthly.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think. It's very calculated. As far as her war with Rabbi Shmueli is concerned, for example, she should really dial back the Christian stuff and stop leaning into Christianity because it would be much more, I think, convincing for people if she just led with basic morality, you know, and basic common sense. Like, you don't pimp out your grandkids in a video

where you're like, clapping back at the haters while peddling your like kosher sex toys. I don't even know. That's what Rabbi Shmuel did, like literally plugging your kosher butt plugs. And Candice Owen should just say, that's not Christian morality to object to that.

It's just basic morality. Well. I know you can make the case that basic morality is Christian morality, but I think it's true. Judeo-Christian, some might even say. Some people in the 19th century might even say. Yeah, but I mean, did you see that video of this guy? I'm so, I'm so like, upset and disturbed.

You're so lucky. I'm not doing my job. Horrified by this man who keeps popping up on my timeline, Rabbi Shmueli, who is like, another one of these like religious self-help gurus, who much like Anna Wintour has been in many like photo ops with like Diddy and stuff. And-

It sounds like South Park, what you're saying right now. It's Shmuley. Yeah. And I mean, his name, his appearance, he already sounds like an anti-Semitic character. And in this video that he made in response to Candice Owens on Purim. Purim, I don't know. Purim. Purim. It's when Hasidic kids smoke cigarettes. I'm not that Jewish. I don't even know the high holidays.

I can't even name them. Purim is like Halloween or something to them. But I thought what was interesting about that was that he dressed up as a very bad and unconvincing parody of an anti-Semitic character. He was wearing like a T-shirt with dollar signs, smeared with fake blood with like Israel flags under his eyes and a disgusting prosthetic nose covered in like STD sores. And so what was so interesting about that

is that he dressed up as this bad and unconvincing parody when he knows that he already looks the part to most people, but he can't lead with that because that would be too real. So he has to go with this completely bizarre and exaggerated version that doesn't even look like an anti-Semitic caricature. It looks like a weird, it looks like the cutting room of like a John Galliano show. You know? Well, I guess that's the idea.

Yeah, because he's trying to get people off his track. Yeah, I guess. It's like, yeah, when the Dior guy, what's his name? Sidney. Toledano, yeah. Is hypothesizing about Gagliano's anti-Semitic outburst. He says, oh, well, in this part of Spain, we've always known, you know,

they like to say that Jews have horns and things like this. And it's like, yeah, I feel like caricaturizing the anti-Semitic tropes is in itself a Semitic trope. Yeah, but it's not even a caricature. It's like, it's not even legible as an anti-Semitic trope. I was talking to Kofi Fianon about this

and he had a very good take on it, that it was like textbook narcissism because he's exhibiting an exaggerated version of himself and implicitly demanding that everyone reassure him that the things he suspects are true or not. Right, being, no. Yeah, and he already- You're not bald, Dasha.

But he already looks like Fagin from Oliver Twist. Yeah, he doesn't even wear that little like to fill in hat or whatever. Yeah, yeah, and he's like- He's already doing such a like- Yeah, and I't he wear that little like to fill in hat or whatever? Yeah, and he's like already doing such a like. Yeah, and I see him in that video with his grandkids and it looks like the scenes of Fagin with his like merry band of wayward street youths.

Yeah. So yeah, that guy is disgusting and bizarre and I just like shouldn't be taken seriously. Well, I feel like, yeah, in charity, I feel like these online displays of like, Judeo-Ferber are analogous, are similar to these like vulgar kind of Christian displays of their resistance and virtue.

It's all kind of like very disconnected. It's phariseical. Yeah, all around. And it's like it's all it's fake and blasphemous and it dishonors the name of the Lord. It's completely fake and it does not please God. Yeah, for sure. Jews, I think, like understandably tend to see themselves as victims,

meaning that they feel like their persecution, their oppression, whatever is- Like Galeana said, now I know what it feels like to be. It feels like to be a Jew. But they feel like all of that is externally imposed on them through no fault of their own, and therefore they are morally blameless, but at the same time, they also tend to see themselves

as morally superior. And that's something that they don't really bother to hide or downplay. They don't really bother to spare other people's feelings, which is, you know, unsportsmanlike and uncivil and necessarily breeds feelings of resentment in other people. Well, that's the whole issue, right,

with where the Christ is King, kind of like where the Christianity of it all comes into play is like the fact is that the Jews don't think, because they don't think Christ was their Messiah who came and offered like a universal salvation is because fundamentally they don't think they universal salvation. It's because fundamentally they don't think they need salvation.

They're resentful of the Gentiles because they're offering them universal salvation through conversion and they feel like that's condescending. And then the Gentiles are resentful of them because they behave, act in a morally superior way. Because they don't think they need salvation. Yeah, which is coupled with their hypocrisy on the Jewish issue.

And in our, you know, big age of 2024, like most Jews are secular anyway. Right, but that's, so I've made this point before, but I'm gonna make it again because it's important and I think it's worth repeating. So the Jewish concept of chosenness originally began as a idea of God's favor or God's burden. They were chosen, yeah.

In the old covenant. And so it made much more sense back in the day when people in general had faith. Religious chosenness, of course, is like an unfalsifiable claim. You can't prove it one way or another, but at least you could appeal to faith-based arguments to make your case. In our secular post-faith age, the concept of chosenness has also been secularized to mean merely morally superior without the religious faith-based scaffolding. So it's much harder to uphold. A lot of Jews made the point to me that, well, when we say we're chosen, we don't mean we're favored or preferred by God. We mean that God has

endowed us with a particular responsibility, a particular burden. It's not like a cakewalk, it's not a positive thing. And I'm like, okay, so you're going from positive grandiose narcissism to negative covert narcissism, whatever, it's the same thing. You're morally superior. And that obviously rubs people the wrong way. Totally. Especially again when they're demanding like special pleading and principled

exceptions on the issue of Israel. Well it's also a non-evangelizing, non- inclusionary, like it's not like they're inviting everyone to become Jewish to enjoy their chosenness. It's like it's the inverse of Christianity, which offers, like I said, a universal salvation. Instead, it's like, I mean, you can, I guess, technically convert to Judaism, though converts are not treated particularly well, depending on which sect of Judaism you convert to and There's dispute even about you know, how Jewish they even are but But yeah, but they're not out there like encouraging people to be Jewish. Well, yeah the way that Christians Yeah, they're saying we're part of an exclusive club

But we will take umbrage if you keep us out of your exclusive country clubs Which you know Steve Saylor made the point that the real war with the country clubs was westernized assimilated Jews keeping Eastern pale Jews out. But I really sympathize with Candace Owens here because I think part of her feels somewhat naive and confused.

And that naivete and confusion leads to frustration and aggression because she just can't believe that prominent Jews in the discourse. She seems angry but not bitter, which is a rare combination, which I also find relatable. I also don't think she is naive. I think she is pretty, she is calculated.

But I think anyone faced with that feels a little kind of gobsmacked and naive. Well, black people don't like Jews. Yeah, that too, but Candice is a weird case because she's not very culturally black in a way. She has the carriage of a white sorority girl, which is part of her appeal. But yeah, people are like shocked at how oblivious Jews

seem to be to how they come off to others. That's like an ongoing trope of the Jewish experience. And yeah, and nobody's ever been able to square. ongoing trope of the Jewish experience. And yeah, and nobody's ever been able to square. Yes, and no one's ever been able to square the circle except in a way that's unflattering to Jews, which again necessarily makes them detect anti-Semitism anywhere and everywhere. Conflict is not abuse because they're somewhat blind

to the ways in which,'re somewhat blind to the ways in which willfully blind the ways in which they provoke ill will. It's not through their identity it's through their words and actions but I think at some point your words and actions come to resemble something like an identity. Well what is the difference, I mean what makes a people besides their words and actions and their beliefs and their... Yeah, yeah. And I think the Jews are impressive if for nothing else

because what originally began as a religion that had all sorts of different ethnic groups and tribal groups under its umbrella literally manifested in ethnos through the Ashkenazim who are the dominant ethnic group of Judaism and claim to speak for all the other groups. So that's pretty cool and base that they literally like, they literally chose themselves. They sure did, yeah.

I have a good Kadehi quote about that, about this antisemitism feedback loop, because if you so much suggest to a Jew that what we call antisemitism is not entirely unprovoked, they'll sort of flip it around on you and accuse you of being an antisemite. And he says, not only does anything Jews do or refrain from doing have nothing to do with anti-Semitism but any attempt to explain anti-Semitism by referring to the Jewish contribution

to anti-Semitism is itself an instance of anti-Semitism. Well it reminds me and then the Galiano doc as well I was reminded of that Norm Macdonald joke that he made on weekend update where he said, earlier this week, Marlon Brando met with Jewish leaders to apologize for comments he made on Larry King Live, among them that, quote, Hollywood is owned by the Jews. Jewish leaders accepted the actor's apology and announced that Brando is not free to work again.

It's like, the funniest joke is the truth. It is so crazy that like... Well, that's why Rabbi Shmueli's bad parody of an antisemitic caricature didn't land because he's the joke, he's the punchline. Yeah, exactly. The only way I can explain it is that Jews legitimately feel like it's more of an existential threat

for them to live in like a white society than it is to live in a non-white society. Well, what about Israel? What do you mean? That's their country. Yeah, but I mean, I'm talking about the diaspora Jews. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

But that's the whole idea of Israel is that they needed to... Have their own... To have, yeah. Place, yeah. To have a place. Yeah. Jews legitimately, we've talked about this before,

they've done so much to promote black and Muslim causes that they can't believe these people are turning on them. For obvious and understandable reasons. Well, the real cynical thing about the crisis king stuff is that I see Andrew Tate, like Muslims talking about. Right. There's been, I mean- Like everyone's jumping on the crisis. Some kind of Muslim he is.

Well, yeah, but many such cases, they're like jumping on the crisis king bandwagon, just because it's, it's being appropriated for anti-Semitic purposes. And that just goes to show how like, meaningless it is, is like a slogan. Yeah, yeah. And they're not saying it to Muslims, they're not saying it to atheists, they're not saying it to Buddhists. They're not saying it, you know, they're saying it to Jews. Right. To like, like browbeat and punish them. of chosenness, right? That also goes a long way to explain why Jews have historically placed themselves at the forefront of progressive politics and social justice movements. Well, I really think they're gonna come to regret it

because- Well, they made their bed and now they have to lay in it. I mean, it really seems like black people do not like Jews. Muslims certainly don't like Jews. And yeah, I think black people should cool it with the anti-Semitic comments because the Jews are gonna turn the racism machine again on. They're the real Jews, yeah.

Are they? Jews will never turn the racism machine on again. That's what they did with George Floyd and. What? The Jews turned the racism machine on. Wait, when, what? Ah! Oh God, nevermind.

I'm sorry, I gotta meet with some Jewish leaders. I know you do. You're gonna be doing that John Galliano apology tour real quick. But you just, you can't, they're too smart. You can't beat them at their own game. That's the whole point of Christianity. It's not about conquering the Jews.

Well, yeah, and as Kadi, he points out, Jews often claim that envy is a big component of anti-Semitism. Well, it is. Well, yes, it is, yeah. He talks about, he gives these examples of Jewish leaders and Jewish advocates talking about how, well, the Gentiles, the Goyim envy us for many reasons, because of our family values,

because of our way with money, because of our close-knit, AKA, clannish communities, a multitude of reasons. Envy does play a part, but the real reason other people envy Jews is because they just keep getting away with stuff. And they always will, they're smarter than everyone else, is the real truth.

Well, I don't know about that. Well, I mean, share IQ. I don't think they're dumber than everyone else, certainly, but AGPs are smarter smarter according to Salomon. And they're getting away with it. Yeah, they are too, yeah. I mean, they're not merely smart, they're clever. We really gotta reel it back.

I love them, I love them. No, I say all of this with love, I really do. And unlike some of these, once again, vulgar antisemites, I feel like having known, and in our case, biblically known many Jews. As Nick Fuentes points out, I do have a Jewish child with a Jewish man. Yeah, I am.

By the way, agrees with me 100% on all of this. Okay, cosines. But that's another, I wanna make the point too that like. But like the microcaramism or whatever. The things you will say. The real Jews you meet are actual full fleshed people. They're not like the stereotype of the symbolic Jew. That's something that Isaac Pfeiffer said to me

because we were talking about this and he was like, none of these people have actually met an actual Jew. They've never talked to an actual Jew. They don't have the authority to be anti-Semitic because they haven't even been in contact with Jews. And so my view with all this is that it's like a meme, a trope, it's not reality. Exactly.

But at the same time, there's truth to what both sides say. One of the things that Norman Finkelstein said, and he's a guy I really don't agree with most of the time, like on anything, he said that like, as a red diaper baby of card carrying communist Holocaust survivor parents, they taught him that the lesson of trauma is not, is exactly not to use that trauma,

to leverage that trauma, to like bully and intimidate other people. And he's like a thousand percent right about that. Yeah. I think he may have even said that to Candace Owens. I do be consuming a lot of this media. I still don't really know who Destiny is. Don't really wanna know.

Thought it was Black Lady that died. I know. Turns out it's some white cuck, I don't know. Yeah, it's been, I'm nearly done with Lent. One of my Lenten sacrifices, I've been actually pretty good. You're gonna go back to being anti-Semitic

on Twitter real quick. I don't know, it's like I really have gained some spiritual insights into what a toxic influence it is, you know, in my life. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's being quarrel some is sinful. And my behavior on social media has been, yeah, gravely sinful in that regard. And I mean, yeah, I'll be back, sure. But I think I will have a more tempered approach, at least for a while, at least until I ease back into it and the algorithm scrambles my brain

and makes me adult and hateful again. But it's been really nice to be checked out. And I am less seething and all these things. Yeah, I might take your example and also log the fuck off because it feels better. It's kind of nice to just be like checked out and you are kind of like, oh yeah, it really just like doesn't matter. kind of like, oh yeah, it really just like doesn't matter. It is like, it's not even earthly cares, it's like something worse. Well it's like a proxy for your feelings of loneliness and alienation and you could just go out and see your friends or see your boyfriend. Yeah, actually, I'm not read a book.

Go to Bloomingdale's. Yeah, there's a lot a lot of lots of shopping addiction is better than social media addiction. For sure. Should we speaking of toxic people, should we talk about Andrew Huberman? Yeah, yes, yes, yes. Andrew Huberman. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Andrew Huberman. Andre. In Ex Posé.

In New York Magazine. It's the new cover story. I guess last week we talked about an NYMAG cover story and this week we're just at it again because we're slaves to the discourse. Yeah, this new one is like on this guy, Andrew Huberman, who's a Stanford biology professor and self-help podcaster. Neuroscientist.

I probably about a year ago, maybe even more had a huge chimp out about Andrew Huberman. Yeah, because Matthew kept sending me Huberman clips. Yeah, I only know about him because Eli consumes a lot of rogue and adjacent media. Yeah, yeah, Matthew kept sending, at one point about a year ago, Matthew was sending me a ton of Huberman clips

about how you shouldn't drink alcohol and how even one glass of alcohol is so detrimental to blah, blah, blah. And I was like, I really flipped. I was like, I don't know who the fuck this guy is. I was like, he needs to stop running his mouth. He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. I was like, stress is the real killer.

This guy's clear. I had immediately a viscerally bad reaction. I was like, this guy's a control freak. Same, yeah. Obviously I'm an alcoholic. You don't need an 8,000 word expose to tell you that there's something deeply wrong with Andrew Huberman.

He's not a dark triad apex predator. He is a garden variety narcissist with addiction problems. He has millions of fans and yet your average person hasn't heard him. But I had a bad feeling about him when he came out against alcohol. I was like, no way. Yeah, he's shut up.

So this is a guy who like goes on Rogan to sell people on the science behind toxic people, and then it turns out he's a toxic person himself. The problem with a man always working on himself is that he may also be working on you, so true, Queen. And the smoking gun of the story is that he was dating multiple women at the same time while promising them exclusivity.

The piece basically details his toxic toxic relationships with like half a dozen women as well as a bunch of jilted colleagues and friends. And at first it appears that there's really nothing there outside of like gossip and invective. It's sort of yeah it follows the format of like the tried and true form of a b2 piece where there's been some kind of like transgression yeah but all it really amounts to are these kind of like interpersonal like wrongdoings right he's has not raped anybody or like coerced anybody or groomed anybody he He's sexually assaulted or whatever. But the essay was pretty engaging. It was well written. Well written, but it's not what it seems.

So it's by this woman who posed as a fan and went digging for dirt and friend of the pod and also friend of Huberman Sager and Jette did a whole segment on all these friendly emails she sent to Huberman's team originally and they never responded. So then she goes lower and lower down the totem pole and finds these like jilted exes and associates.

Who all the article keeps reiterating that they're not like, they specifically were kind of like un-groomable in their like pedigree and temperaments. Yeah, because they were independent, successful, attractive women. He specifically was like a seducer of these kind of like high functioning, very like well presented kind of women.

Yeah, yeah, I wanna get to that later because it's a very important point. But of course it's like ironic to accuse someone of being a cheater and manipulator when your idea of doing your job is literally cheating and manipulating. You're a journalist, yeah. Susie Weiss, Barry Weiss's sister,

pointed out another irony, I'll read the quote, the irony of New York Mag publishing a cover story which asks us to believe that these successful independent women lack the agency to leave their cheating boyfriend who didn't prioritize them. Meanwhile, last week's cover story argued that children have the agency to change their sex, weird.

And what's sad about this genre of journalism is that there's a lot of people who take it at face value, not because they're actually outraged, but because they're petty and small-souled people who lack the receptors for principled critique. And the discourse rewards our basest impulses. And I think the sad thing about Me Too is not that a bunch of innocent men got caught up

and had their lives ruined, but that it snowballed into something that went far beyond sex and was sort of a template for like the COVID response and the racial reckoning. And it made it okay to ruin anyone's life on the flimsiest pretext. Like this is all true.

Well, it remains to be seen if human's life will really be ruined. Yes, yeah, yeah. I would not be surprised if he uses this to craft a self-help redemption arc. And I would not be surprised if there are many more new women, like lining up outside of his door, like Asians at a sample sale. Like that's definitely going to happen.

And it poked some like already, I guess, like pre-dented maybe holes in like the image of himself that he attempted to craft and was sort of like unavoidable reckoning or something. But he couldn't, his whole project was basically unsustainable due to the cognitive dissonance and disparate realities between what he espoused and how he actually lived his life.

He's not an honest actor. It's like, all what goes around comes around at all. All will be revealed. Karma, baby. Et cetera. Yeah. But the author is fundamentally right. He's too good to be true.

And as I said, the story is not what it seems. I thought that- Don't trust anyone that tells you not to drink alcohol. Yes, totally. For starters. They should be encouraging you. But the whole Me Too angle is really the least interesting part of it.

And as usual, the right wing guys missed the whole point and made it into a story about how the long house strikes again and just trying to clip the wings of successful white men. And there is some truth to that, but I think what looks like a kind of sleazy takedown of the Me Too character of a guy who like technically didn't do anything wrong is really like an awesome and amazing case study

in narcissistic personality disorder. And it's a really incredible document. Like Otto Kernberg couldn't have written a better case study. Yeah, it's a gripping piece. It's on par with the Gagliano doc and it's like masterful kind of like narrativizing and like connecting of dots and stuff, like it was a very engaging and like fun sort of to read and the way that these,

well, he had this main partner, Sarah, not her real name, of course, and how she through like the will of her like, organizational, high executive functioning type A mind was able to connect all of these dots and join forces with all of these other jilted women. Right, through Instagram.

And then they became actually so who all were like signaling to one another through like a psychotic like liking of it's all it's also all very undignified for women of this age bracket I think to be engaging in this kind of like Instagram like so Susie Barry's sister wrote a very cute and funny article on this for the Free Press, who's afraid of Andrew Huberman. Here's a quote. I'm not saying it's great that Andrew Huberman

in one single day managed to fly and one of his girlfriends to California from Texas only to leave her with his dog to meet another girlfriend at a coffee shop and talk about their relationship before texting yet another to thank her for being so next level, gorgeous and sexy, and then sending yet another message to get another girlfriend sleep well beautiful. Not great at all, it's gross. He's the kind of guy I would urge my friends to avoid,

though if I'm being honest, that sheer feat of scheduling also displays the sort of take control of life optimization he's famous for. So basically, he tells one of the girls that he wants to have children with her and gets her to do IVF, but ends up giving her high risk HPV instead. Yeah, and then- Who already had two children from a previous partner,

which she claims he berated her for and would fly into like insane rage. A lot of people were asking like, well, why would somebody who's not and would fly into like insane rage. A lot of people were asking like, well, why would somebody who's not in a committed relationship want to do IVF with their partner? And it's because narcissists are always kicking the can

down the road and always making promises they can't keep because they are committed in one way. They're like truly committed to the bit. So they will say or do anything. He tells one woman, yeah, he's not a sex addict, he's a love addict. So then another woman, an actress, heard him say on Rogan that he had a girlfriend, she texted him to ask about it,

and he responded immediately at a stalker, he said. And so his team had decided to invent a partner for the listening public. I mean, his ability to spin a plausible web of lies on his feet under pressure is truly impressive. Well, he's a control freak. That's why he hates alcohol. Yeah.

Huberman disappearing was something of a pattern. Friends, girlfriends, and colleagues described him as hard to reach, also just like me for real. Yeah, so true. I know about this personality type because I've been with men like this and I'm halfway one of these men myself. And so personal research interest of mine,

the narcissistic personality, which I think is really as TLP says, the generational pathology of our time. This is another interesting point. Sarah, the main interview subject, she basically relays how when they fought, he fixated on her past choices in sexual history. And that was straight out of TLP's seminal 2010 primer on NPD as a generational pathology. Shame over guilt, rage over anger, masturbation over

sex, envy over greed, your future over your past, but her past over her future. A friend of his said, I think Andrew likes building up people's expectations and then actually enjoys the opportunity to pull the rug out from under you. And then Andrew himself says, I'd like to emphasize that this podcast is part of my desire and effort to bring zero cost to consumer information about science and science related tools to the general public. So while hawking like weird, shady supplements also. So clearly this is a guy who cares more about validation from some nameless, faceless audience

than he does about honoring his personal commitments because they place demands on him that he cannot fulfill and they also see him for what he is. In other words, they fail to mirror his ego ideal that he's built up in his mind, but can't possibly live up to. And so those people in the narcissist's worldview, when they learn the truth and start to advocate

for themselves, are very quickly vilified and discarded. So there's this record of him telling these women that the other ones were crazy or psychopaths or prone to like trying to kill his dog or pulling their hair out or whatever. Yeah obsessed with his dog also. Yeah and he's like a classic he's a classic narcissistic personality, the fixation on self improvement, the commitment to sobriety, he's described as a good listener who gives good advice, the cynical read on that being that these people want to maintain an image. Right.

I mean, it's really like point by point. I bet I could do a number on him, honestly. Yeah, you probably, yeah. I bet I could get him number on him, honestly. Yeah, you probably, yeah. I bet I could get him to follow up with me and ruin his life. He doesn't wanna meet some girls like us. I'm seeing right through him, but are good at playing dumb about it.

I could rip this guy to shreds, no problem. Wouldn't even phase me. He also has this ready-made sob story about how he was the child of divorce and only therapy could save him. Yeah, no, no, the therapeutic language in his like text correspondences with these women where he's like, I am hearing you and your pain and I am ready and I am ready to do the repair work necessary. It's all this very like

hyper impersonal jargon that he's like employing to basically just like manipulate people. It's very, very dark. Yeah. And he's of course very hot. At least until he opens his mouth. I do not find him hot. His voice and tattoos did give me the ick, but he's hot in the sense that he looks like a classic man.

And the more masculine you are in this day and age, or the more masculine looking you are in this day and age, the more like womanish and preening you tend to be. But this is a very typically masculine personality disorder. For sure, right. It's not particularly. The NPD, BPD, classic pairing comes to mind.

Of course, he's a guy who, I don't think he's like officially sober, but he's a guy who demonizes alcohol. And he would say, like, you know, I don't tell people to quit alcohol, but people said that they felt very judged in his presence when they were drinking that sort of thing. I mean, the videos Matthew was sending me were like, so annoying. Yeah, they were like, Huberman Cleveson being like, even one drink will disrupt, will not optimize your sleep. And so like, it's like, I was like, oh, like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy? And like, never send me this guy again. Like we literally had this is, we literally had a huge fight about

it. Cause I was like, do not send me this weird guy anymore. Yeah, but he's a guy. I was like, I'm into Ray P. I'm not into dogmatic nutritional advice. I'm into making stuff up and drinking McDonald's and drinking alcohol. And like, that's the path that I've chosen. And I don't need to hear from some like neuroscientist who's giving me the fucking creeps.

He's clearly a guy with control and addiction issues. That's why AA works because it formalizes informal bonds, making them easier for the narcissist to tolerate. And like, well, it also makes, it also makes religion and it has a religious kind of foundation that it like makes into makes into a secular... I mean, I believe in AI. I know a lot of people... No, no, I don't want to downplay or belittle it because it does meaningfully, functionally work. But my hottest take is that addiction is just narcissism and that the addiction masks the narcissism. And people much more readily identify as addicts than they do as narcissists because it's more sympathetic.

And yeah, and I don't wanna demonize narcissists more than they're already demonized because God knows they suffer a lot because they have very shallow, impoverished emotional lives. It's a very like sad and depressing. Well the thing that is effective about AA, what makes it such a good program I think is that in its approach to addiction as a disease it also addresses it as like a spiritual malady that requires spiritual solutions.

Right. That some people obviously like use and are able to like, like a true narcissist can then enter the program and kind of like weaponize it. They can blaspheme the name of the Lord to bully and coerce people. Exactly. But in its like, in in its purely therapeutic form, which I do believe in, I think addiction is a spiritual malady

and the only way to fix it is, this is why people who get sober without AA often still struggle from a lot of the issues that plagued them during their addiction, even though they may not technically be drinking any longer. Huberman seems like the type, right? Who is not in the program, but is, you know, claims to exercise some control over his life through sobriety.

But like really his issue is spiritual. Yeah. And I think people have this impression of narcissists that they're uniquely calculating and treat other people's as pawns and their sick and twisted little game. And that's true, but it's not because they're powerful, it's because they're literally desperate and pathetic. And once you know that they cease to be so scary and intimidating, this is not an enviable type. You don't want to be a narcissist. No. They are calculating, but not in the way that people think

because they really do think that they mean what they say in the moment. When they pepper you with like romantic or erotic bon mots. But it's all for their own benefit. It's not real. Yeah, they like novelty and intensity and intrigue because it makes them feel something when they typically feel nothing.

Well, there was also that in the Galiano doc, one of the psychiatrists that worked with Galiano says, quotes Freud, and says that that one of the secondary benefits of neurosis is success. That it makes you successful, yeah. And that I think is also very true for the neurotic type of the narcissist. Right. They often are very successful. They're rewarded in our godless culture for their spiritual disease.

Yeah, yeah. And I mean, the interesting thing about narcissists is that they're halfway between a neurotic and a psychotic type. They're not psychotic enough for them to not be functional. Yeah, to be anti-social. Yeah, or schizophrenic. Yeah, so they're able to move through life with like a relative degree of social

and financial and romantic success. And they're not neurotic enough to have a kind of like crippling self-awareness that hinders them from achieving certain goals. Yeah, I mean, often they do have a certain self-awareness, but it benefits them because they can play other people and play them against each other. And they're also very like intensely private and controlling over their image, obviously. But it benefits them because they can play other people and play them against each other.

And they're also very intensely private and controlling over their image, obviously, to the point of being secretive. So something like this expose is probably very agonizing for a guy like Huberman. All of the statements from his representatives are all very funny too. It's like he denies this and like, I can't. Yeah, it's just like also boilerplate like, but they do in spite of being that way, they do like thrive on drama and intrigue and while accusing other people of being the dramatic ones

when they like inevitably take the bait. Yeah, right. As spokes, when him and Sarah decided to pursue IVF, there's a parenthetical that says, a spokesperson for Huberman denies that he and Sarah had decided to have children together, clarifying that they, quote, decided to create embryos by IVF.

Yeah, like what? Okay, but that's the same thing. What are you, so you were injecting her with, you were doing an even more arduous? Yeah, like complicated thing in order to yeah, you were doing something more attempt evil And an ethically indefensible but Huberman I think is interesting not because he's an aberration from the norm But because he's very exemplary of the moment. It is like the generational pathology and him being professionally exceptional I think,

is what allows everyone to distance themselves from the shades and grades of this common lot. It's like Tony Soprano being the mob boss of New Jersey when the real plot of the show is him being a middling middle-aged narcissist. That's like the device. So here's a good quote. The relationship struck Sarah's friends as odd.

At one point, Sarah said, I just wanna be with my kids and cook for my man. I was like, who says that says a close friend. I mean, I've known her for 30 years. She's a powerful, decisive, strong woman. We grew up in this very feminist community. That's not a thing either of us would ever say. So it's basically like a woman expressing a totally natural and healthy impulse

and her like narcissistic fake feminist friends immediately shooting her down. Yeah. But a doctor friend of mine who asked me to address this topic specifically made a very incisive point, which is that he was very careful about dating women who didn't need him.

So women with children, women with careers, women with their own money. These aren't like poor little victims who are susceptible to grooming and bereft of agency. Like if you can start an LLC, you can clock a cheater or maybe not. Apparently not. Apparently not.

Apparently not, I mean. But that's deliberate too. Yeah, I mean, for sure. And I think, well, it also kind of serves his narcissistic fantasy of what kind of like partner he, I don't know, I think there's a lot of like, maybe cognitive. It serves the narcissistic fantasy of a partner who's a mirror for him.

Yeah. But it also serves. He's also like high functioning and blah, blah. He's not dating yet. He's not out there with like art hoes. Yeah, but it also. They'd be having like BPD meltdowns. Serves his narcissistic anxiety

of ever getting too close to another person who might truly see him for what he is. And like juggling many women at a time also serves that person, that purpose. It's sad. Yeah, and I think these guys very often demonstrate a pretty impressive level of self-awareness, which like the Kernberg School

would call pseudo self-awareness. And that's how they gain people's confidence and trust. Because I think women go into these situations thinking like I can fix him. And I got news for you can I mean, honestly, my impression as someone who is like, viscerally repulsed by a human on many levels is that all of these women that were like caught up in this web of lies themselves have a kind of like, you know, he met some of them on Raya, et cetera.

Like they themselves have a spiritual deficiency that like just couldn't be knock on, you know, whatever. Not to, no hubris, but like, couldn't be me. Like. No hubris. No hubris. But like, what couldn't be me? Never would I be like, ooh, like this man is so successful.

Yeah. Neuroscienceful, neuroscience, like they all also were of this very specific type of woman. Who were attracted to kind of the signifiers, the markers. Exactly, who had these like shallow, yeah, they liked that he was like, It flattered them that a guy like that could be interested in them.

Exactly, which is like, kind of shallow and morally, a morally flimsy foundation on which to like embark on a quote, exclusive, ha ha relationship with someone. Yeah, these women go into situations like this thinking you can fix a guy if you meet a man who is in his 40s or 50s, is handsome, sexy, successful, intelligent, and still single and childless. There is something horribly wrong with him

and you should run for the hills. There's no riddle there. It's just that the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. And men like that, they may lie and cheat and deceive you, but they're telling you everything you need to know from the moment that you met them. I don't know, who knows?

I'm an optimist. Maybe there are outliers or success stories. Maybe you meet a man in the twilight of his whoring years and he makes the decision that it would be nice to have someone like wheel him around his property in a wheelchair. And that could be you, sis. But do you really want it? Yeah, to what end, really?

But of course, I mean, I get it. But yeah, someone who's trying to be like a podcaster. But obviously, women find themselves in these situations because when you're, um, on that tip on that level, by then all the good ones are already taken. I guess. Yeah. I don't know. You make your own bed, you know? And then, but even so, like, I don't know. I would not, I would not be seduced by some health guru personally. Well, you have to put yourself in the shoes

of that type of woman. My mother always said, it's not like whether you get into a shitty relationship, it's how quick you get out of it. Yeah, yeah, no, anyone is susceptible, right, you get into a shitty relationship it's how quick you get out of it. Yeah. Yeah. No, anyone is susceptible, right, to enchanting lustful lies. But, yeah, but like just not picking up like the level of like basically every woman described in this piece I think also is suffering from a kind of like narcissistic delusion. That they will be the one to redeem this man.

But they can't acknowledge that. And he makes it easy for them to never acknowledge that because he's such a kind of like over extreme case. Well, yeah, but that's the way our society functions. That's why TLP calls it a generational pathology because nowadays when you try to broach this topic, everyone goes, well, you're projecting and you're the narcissist.

You're trying to make a larger, more meaningful point. And when people are outraged by any talk of narcissism that doesn't involve or include them, that means they have suffered a narcissistic injury and are lashing out. Yeah. Lashing out. Lashing out.

It's, yeah, I mean, it's also typical and timeless a narcissistic injury and are lashing out. Yeah. Lashing out. Lashing out. It's, yeah, I mean, it's also typical and timeless for people, women and men both, with narcissistic disturbances, to partner with people that are fundamentally emotionally unavailable, because they then get to preserve their narcissistic idea of themselves as someone who is trying

so hard to be with someone and is this perfect partner but like someone else is failing them and like so they get to maintain their own delusions of like having been failed and disappointed by someone because they're the narcissist. But like really it's just like narcissistic like human centipedes. Yeah. Of just like people that are deranged

and like ill equipped really for like what real intimacy entails, which ultimately is sacrifice. Yeah, it's sacrifice, it's compromise. It's growing old together, which sounds nice, hanukki, lemur, but it really means no, it's being there when someone dies or being the first to die. And not even, yeah, and long before that,

even like in sickness and in health, enduring all sorts of unpleasant and incredibly mundane. Yeah, it's financial hardships, serious illnesses, infidelity, whatever, the list goes on. Just the mundanity of intimacy is intolerable to people like this because they prefer to have the drama of like the betrayal and the unavailability.

And they get to imagine themselves as this like victim, heroin kind of person who has like, you know, done all the right things. It's just that this person fell short, but really it fucking takes two and there are no victims, there are only volunteers. Yeah, I mean, so recently I got a copy of Lierman's Hero of Our Time in the mail.

Matthew's reading that as well, random. Didn't know where it came from, was very confused. I was like, God, one of my like crazy psychotic fans has like triangulated my address. But it was sent to me by a friend of mine who really recommends this book and loves it. And I was struck by how Pichuodin really is like the template.

I mean, they call him the superfluous man for this. And he says, like, I've often thought that my destiny, my fate was bringing like chaos and misfortune into other people's lives, like ruining people's lives. Fuck. Yeah. I think most people are not like Andrew Huberman. They lack the vision and the will

to enact such a massive and tower of babble of intrigue and chaos. And they lack the truly like empty and rotten core because they are in one way or another tethered to reality and humanity. But I think all of us, especially those of us who spend a lot of time on the internet, are really touched by the illness.

We have shades and grades of it. And I think being on social media literally makes you a much more narcissistic person because it refracts your image back to you through like the voices of your fans and haters. Yeah. Which makes you necessarily more self-conscious and preening, you see this with John Galliano,

he started off as this like shy and self-effacing young boy, and then turned himself into like a piece of performance art. He was coming out in like a horse drawn carriage. I know. Or like dressed as an astronaut. He got like a brow lift. Yeah. No, the plastic surgery and all of that.

Yeah, it's... But he's... I really see Gagliano as such a victim. Yeah, I don't slot him into this typology, but I'm just saying it makes victims of us all in a way. Yeah, no, it's true. And there's that great TLP quote that goes something like, you know, when the other person is also in a glass box, you have a problem when everyone around you is in a glass box, you have America. Yeah. No, totally.

And like, I know people get like really mad and annoyed when I talk about this because it's it feels so like Reductive and speculative but it's a model and all models are by definition Reductive and speculative and I think this one more so than yeah more so than any other model is Really reflective of what's going on. Yeah, I think Huberman's prominence is, and in the article, the writer sort of alludes to his, that he became sort of popular during COVID at this time of like extreme kind of

like medical uncertainty that he gave people these kind of like tools in which they felt that they were able to exert control over their lives when really people felt like, you know, when we were basically wards of the state. And, you know, we're besieged by some like plandemic, whatever. But really, I think the reason why he is so resident is that deep down, everyone feels a lack control and he exemplifies a kind of like pathological control that one could exert over their like health and personal life. And of course as everyone knows the key to happiness is relinquishing control. Yeah his will not mine. And like actually like I recommend here over time to everyone listening to this podcast. I might read it once I wrap up Anna Karenina. We should do like a BOGO on those two books.

I mean Karenina is mad long. It's so long. Yeah. I mean, I'm making my way through it and it is I have a really good translation. I'll find out what it is. But it's actually, it's so funny. There is so many moments where I am literally

like scoffing and laughing. It is such a funny novel actually, and I am enjoying it very, very much. I'm gonna read that next. Just like go through the- Yeah, you read Anna Karenina, I'll read the year of our time. But Pichotin's like a very proto-Huberman type character. He's like constantly juggling women

and like over promising to them, like giving them hope. Like I'd be curious as to your opinion as to whether or not Anna Karenina, Anna Kay. Yeah. The other Anna Kay is a narcissist. Like I'd be curious as to your opinion as to whether or not Anna Karenina Anna K The other Anna K is a narcissist Possibly You have to kind of yeah engage with her inner. I'm she's also like a very contemporary prototype of a

Female type that's well, that's very numerous now. The 19th century, yeah, many parallels. These things are nothing new. They've been intensified by social media for sure. And before that by the sort of self help era the sort of like self-help era that Lash and Wolf and all these guys talk about. Which Huberman is calling back to.

I mean, yeah, the language in one of his correspondences, let me find, he says, "'I'm willing to do the repair work on this He said when she called him out for standing her up I'm willing this sucks But doesn't deter my desire and commitment to see you and establish clear lines of communication and trust. I mean that is socio sociopath it's such a well also another Kind of key feature of narcissists is that they often have this.

Just why not bow out at that point? Very distant and cordial type demeanor where they're kind of polite to a T so you can't really call them on anything. Right. That's like also very common and typical. I wonder if I have this like really great TLP quote that basically gets to the bottom of things

from that 2010 essay that I love so much. Let me see. The narcissist feels unhappy because he thinks his life isn't as it should be or things are going wrong, but all those feelings find origin in a frustration, a specific frustration, the inability to love the other person. He's a man in a glass box, unable to connect. He thinks the problem is that people don't like him or not enough. So he exerts massive energy into the creation and maintenance of an identity. If they think of me as X dot dot dot. But that attempt is always futile, not because you can't trick the other person. You can for an entire lifetime. It's quite easy. But even then, the man in the box is still unsatisfied, still frustrated because no amount of identity maintenance

will break that glass box. So true. So true. How long have we been going? Two hours. Okay, we can wrap it up. But yeah, I don't, I'm not mad at Huberman. I'm sad for Huberman. I'm mad at him for his prohibitionist I'm mad at him for his prohibitionist views. Have been since I found out about him, but yeah, no, I definitely am not like, I don't have a chip on my shoulder or anything about it. It seems really dark and sad and for all involved. It'll be interesting or not that interesting. I don't really care to see what happens to him.

I'll definitely probably never think about him again. Anyway, we'll see you in hell. See you in hell, crisis king.