Red Scare - Toe Math

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

The ladies discuss Glenn Greenwald's sex tape, Laura McClure's AI deepfakes, Hoe Math's viral confession, and the return of the r-slur.

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No slop detected. Yeah. Only real fan art happy pride month happy sacred heart of Jesus month what does that mean it's like a Catholic rebrand of June where we express our devotion to Christ's sacred heart. Yeah. True. I can't believe these faggots still have Pride Month. Can't they pack it up and pack it in already?

They had a really small, I went to Sephora today, big surprise. And they had a really tiny like kind of pride banner out front but I haven't seen so much like corporate signaling this year definitely. I feel like it mostly occurs like on social media now. It's like the Yankees and like Snyder's pretzels and Hess or whatever doing the flag but it doesn't hit like it used to. No one's buying it. Yeah but happy pride month Glen and Greenwald. What a way to kick off pride month with the Race Play Findom sex tape.

I woke up to like dozens of people sending me that video and being like, get a load of this. And I was like, no, no, no, this is AI. It's fake. That was my first thought when I saw it. But it has come to pass that it is indeed real. I mean, nothing but love and support for Glenn here. Yeah. No one sent it to me. I like.

Dude, it was so bad. And I caught wind, caught a later wind of it. Yeah. Well, it took so long to take off. It was like at least 12 hours from when I got those texts in multiple group chats to people on Twitter really making it like a viral discourse. Well, you know what's so, I don't know,

I found this curious is today I tried to see if there, I was like, surely this is like a major news item, but when you look it up, no mainstream media. That is interesting. It's all like, it's all Hindu stand time. It's all the way down. And like no one, not even like the New York Post. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, no, you're right. At all, like really, it's like, I was like, what? Total blackout. Not that like, you know, I wanted like a big scandal. Sure, but you would think like, yeah, like the NY Post, the Daily Mail, like those type of outlets would pick it up immediately. I think there was maybe one like Daily Mail article, but damn But that really feels like Jewish conspiracy. Mm-hmm. I didn't watch the video. I didn't watch the whole thing.

I've seen the stills. I started watching it and then kind of scrubbed through. Yeah. it and then kind of scrubbed through. Yeah. But I didn't watch it with laser focus. The way some people did. I just clocked that he looked good and trim and tan. So I was like, okay, this is better than nothing.

It's not so bad. It's not, it's, yeah, it's shocking. Yeah. But not, it's like, it's like edging. There's no, yeah. So it's like, basically it's Glenn wearing like a sexy school girl outfit sucking on a black guy's toes,

which is, you which is relatively tame as far as gay stuff goes. So I hear. Yeah. I mean, it was, I thought it was really nice to see how many people are riding rally behind him. I have some takes on that. My first thought was that he should have just let Bolsonaro lock him up when he had the

chance because I bet you Brazilian prison is full of jacked black guys who are into that sort of thing. Right. But he's a of thing. Right. But he's a free man. Yeah. He's a freedom fighter. A lot of people seem to think that he had a hand

in leaking it himself. Certainly there was some speculation that he retweeted it in the wee hours of the morning while high on math. As part of the escalated blackmail BDSM, gooning sash. He denies it, I believe him. Yeah, and I feel like Glenn's a good sport, so he'll take it in stride if we discuss it here

on this podcast. And plus, also, I'm hearing that he has a humiliation kink, so maybe this will be a welcome development. But yeah, everyone from like Megyn Kelly to Charlie Kirk to Tucker Carlson basically lined up to defend him. All of these conservative luminaries. I mean, if Glenn was more of a dark triad personality, I would almost concoct a version where he leaked it on purpose to draw attention to his Tucker interview.

But like, yeah, it's like a long game 5D chess strategy about because he went on Tucker. Like the night before or something. I don't know when they taped it, but that day or something, the interview aired. And in that clip he talks extensively about foreign intelligence and EPC and Mossad and how they blackmail people by holding compromising information and footage about them.

It all feels very like, whoa. Well, okay, Howling Mutant actually had a good take on this if I can find it anywhere. You know, we're living in an empire in decline when the NSA was unable to blackmail this guy into silence during the Snowden scandal. Probably like the funniest take I've seen on it was that this idea that the Mossad leaked it

to punish him for his vehement anti-Israel and anti-Zionist stance. That feels a little bit overwrought. He said it was leaked for political reasons. Yeah. To discredit him. But like how, okay, in what world is it discrediting? It's like. Well, it backfired.

Yeah. Because everyone loves it, actually. Actually, we think it's based. There's a lot of people saying that, like, oh, this erodes his credibility as a journalist. Not really. No, we knew he was gay. Yeah, and we know what gay guys are up to.

I mean, some people don't. You can fill in the blanks with your imagination. I do understand how this looks to like, normy conservative people. It looks really bad and immoral and degenerate. Like I get where they're coming from. It's very scandalous. Well. He's always up in the replies engaging with like low B haters like to follow her correcting them with his powerful litigious mind. Same drive by the way. He knows, yeah, we all know is not a good use of our time. But we can't help ourselves.

So that's, I find that very relatable. Yeah, I like that take from that guy, Sophie Hadid, who I met in LA by the way, that he bought the skirt on Dasha's Depop. But yeah, like there's so, you know, the people like denouncing his degeneracy are just like a bunch of nobody, literally, who's who haven't done anything in their whole life probably do way worse shit, even if not outright.

Well, OK. They've like are repressing deep dark desires and then do maybe not. I think, like, in the grand scheme of of things People are up to way worse. Not even I mean even like non-sex. I'm sure yeah I mean it has guys like Martin who's like the new ringleader of the right in a tizzy and and he wants to know why anyone Who considers themselves a conservative would ever go to bat for like a gay Jewish liberal who engages in like? a bat for like a gay Jewish liberal who engages in like race, communism, humiliation rituals. I think I have a good answer for Martin. Like, I think a lot of people are defending him out of professional interests. Some people are defending him out of some like broad principle of the matter, however real or misguided it is. I think it makes people feel good to like rally behind someone in defense of them.

I think to leap to somebody else's defense. I think people feel, you know, kind of moral impulse because Glenn is so like, like people do genuinely like him. Yeah, well, he does everything in his power to cultivate the opposite impression. And he's likable in spite of himself, but yeah, that's what I think there's also like an innate tension

between like coastal elites who are desensitized to this sort of thing and like heartland Americans who find it beyond the pale and like morally abhorrent. I don't even buy that though. I feel like everyone with like the internet ever everyone is desensitized. It's hardly the worst thing they've seen on X that day. There's that video going around now of that like 19 year old girl, like accidentally leaping to her death because she was like skydiving or something

and unbuckled her belt during a panic attack. And people are like hornily like gooning to that probably. Yeah, no, people on X especially Are exposed to hardcore pornography snuff videos drone footage Yeah, and on an average TL yeah, I feel like I Think the hand-wringing is performative a lot of a lot of it is but like He himself even pointed out that this has

never happened to him before because people are usually like mad at him which seems to add fuel to the fire of his the theory that he has a humiliation kink and wants to be not only shamed but like adored for shameful acts. I really can't speak for anyone but myself, but to Martin's point, it's like, I know Glenn to be a good and kind man, again, in spite of the image that he tries to cultivate for himself.

And I take matters of honor and loyalty very seriously, I take them to heart. of like honor and loyalty very seriously. I take them to heart. So given my like personal dealings with him, I have no choice but to defend him. I mean, yeah, it would be really dishonorable. Yeah. When he was one of the first people

to champion our vital female voices. Yes. You know, those are my politics. That's really all I care about to people who are constantly asking me, what are your politics? Sure. It's like being loyal to your friends. I mean, it's certainly not like

getting upset about people's sexual proclivities, even if I wasn't a close personal friend of Glenn Greenwald. I mean but like I still wouldn't. Well we wouldn't because we're such huge fag hags and we're used to like our gay friends like spilling their secrets to us and um you know it'll be some guy being like meeting you for lunch and kissing you on the lips and being like, Hey, I just like, uh, had sex with two separate guys. I'm like the sniffies. But again, I get how this looks to like actual conservative people. Their argument is that, you know, this essentially his identity, his proclivities are the enemy to them. Um, they're not only disgusting and immoral,

but they're like subversive and ruinous to the social fabric. And I, I don't think that what do they think gay guys do? Well, yeah, but like, I don't disagree with them in principle that like gay and trans identity shouldn't be pushed on people. And I don't disagree with them in principle that there are serious questions about like gay adoption and surrogacy but surrogacy obviously but adoption I can't but I think it is true that some gay guys probably literally buy boys off the internet they don't buy boys I do but I obviously like side with Glenn in this and you know Matt Walsh was really taking him to task. Well yeah guys like Matt Walsh and Martin and like other right wingers of

note make the erroneous connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. Yeah when it's really all about the febophilia boys. That's normal. That's just a normal sexual orientation. But, I mean, Glenn's clearly not a pedophile. No, I don't believe it. Judging by what we have confirmed visual evidence of, his private life. Like, what's he gonna do to those kids?

Send them $2,000 on PayPal? I mean, I think Glenn is a person who has been troubled in his life and has had his struggles and is very well aware of his own dark side and is very good at compartmentalizing that because he has a very strong like ethical moral center. I mean, is that not, you know, psychologically what sex is for? Yeah. Obviously not. It's for procreation, we know that. But like, desire and its fulfillment in your private life

is, I think, for healthy people is a kind of pressure valve for other things. Yeah, and like, you know, all these conservative guys are also getting in line and saying like, I can't believe he was like smoking meth with a male prostitute in his home where his children live. And it's like, have you ever entertained the idea that maybe it was a hotel room and probably not his home?

Of course not, because they want to draw the worst. Possible conclusions. Possible conclusions. I mean, his sons are all grown. Yeah. And pretty well adjusted, it seemed to me. I would also add to that, like Glenn has never tried to normalize or promote gay or trans identity. I think like the right wingers would say

that he's doing that merely by existing, but I think also like his work speaks for itself. Yeah. And, you know, I say that as somebody who has probably some serious political disagreements with him, especially when it comes to stuff like immigration. I don't... I just think he's so smart. Yeah. That I kind of defer to him.

And I wouldn't even say I disagree with him because he has the receipts and he definitely knows what he's talking about more than I do. Well, he's like way more left wing on the subject of immigration, for example. He was really defending Mahmoud Khalil in a way that I wouldn't have personally. I think, well, he really doesn't like the Israeli surveillance. Yeah. And I think he was defending him not because he was an immigrant but on the principle of the matter that in the anti-Semitic task

force. Yeah. Can oust you. Yeah. From a country you had previously been allowed to be in. Yeah and these are all like complicated issues, gray areas, whatever. But obviously like the bigger issue is not that like, gay guys are groomers and pedophiles. In this case, it's like, it will be like, destabilizing and disorienting for the kids to see their father exposed and then insulted like that. And you have to trust that everything will be fine

because it'll be like handled correctly and tactfully. And I thought he was very classy in the original statement he issued. He didn't try to like deny or deflect. No. I would have said that wasn't me. Mm-hmm. I mean, I'd rather have a total flame or degenerate father than a faggot like Matt Walsh.

Well that's what they were sort of arguing about. Yeah. Like I think it's way worse to have like some seething freak as your parental figure than like a gay lawyer. Yeah, and my favorite take on this. Saved you from a favela orphanage. You know, like that seems like the best possible outcome. Yeah, like cool, rich dad. My favorite take is from our boy Moldovan

breaking Glenn Greenwald is gay. Being gay I can handle but I draw the line at race mixing. Don't Glenn and his black fin dom realize they're ruining their bloodline? I would say like if there's one thing I've learned from all my years of being a fag hag to gay guys is that the less gay a guy seems, the more degenerate he is.

And Glenn's pretty gay. He's not exactly hiding it. He's maybe not promoting or normalizing it, but it's pretty obvious. Yeah, no, no, sure. So this to me seems like the, you know. He could be gayer. He could be rollerblading and stuff.

He's pretty buttoned up in his presentage. Well to your point about like, you'd rather have a flamboyant openly gay dad than like a seething repressed conservatard dad. My genuine question to like the right wing and on guys than like a seething repressed conservator dad. My genuine question to like the right wing and on guys is like, you know, if we can all agree that gay sex is like unnatural and non procreative

and then therefore sinful from like a Christian standpoint, by that logic isn't all non procreative sex then unnatural and sinful and that given that gays are the minority isn't it worse when it's coming from the majority I mean technically yeah like I'll do a little homeath like isn't it worse that normal not normal but like young healthy able-bodied males are like performatively gooning to anime girls instead of doing their part to like restore the you know the white races pride of place. Well from a Christian

perspective. And renew, revive our society. Yeah I mean from a Christian framework yes it's all any sex that's outside. Non-procreative, yeah. Well, I guess you're allowed to have non-procreative sex if you're married. Right, but I also understand that it's all a matter of degree, right? And gay guys are worse than straight guys in that.

I mean, if we're using sin as the framework, as the category of transgression, right, even procreative sex with someone you're not married to. Yes. Even if you're busting inside someone that's not your wife, that is a sin. Yeah, but isn't like the greatest sin then being a heterosexual person who recognizes the threat our society is faced with due to gay race communism and like refuses to do anything about it. Outside of like posting on the internet. And I'm not going to take the bait and like make the obvious joke that they're all like incels who never fuck. I'm also not

going to make the point that you could probably make the same accusations of their major ringleader who shall remain unnamed because I love that guy and will go to bat for him too but. We know. But like those kind of accusations have been made and. Dominated, it's a dominated by Doug. Yeah. Scenario all the way down. And actually from a Christian perspective,

just to get really, you know, the, in the video, no sodomy detected. He's not having gay sex mm-hmm so if you want to get kind of let's go I can put my you know per the teachings of the church technically I mean he the worst part is when he says you're my black God that's blasphemy that's sin that's maybe right the sex but he's not having sex well we all know God is black so it's not wrong but that's the most sinful part of the video not like little city of God hours up in there is it a sin to suck on a man's foot is it a sin to send him $2,000?

I don't think so. Well it is a sin when you're sitting outside of your baby daddy's East Village apartment trying to have a cigarette and a black guy comes and tries to suck on your foot. That's a sin for sure. Yeah but that's a consent issue. You know, in my mind, like a lot of these guys have some pretty good ideas that I'm sympathetic to about, like restoring the Anglo code of honor and the Anglo concept of fair play, which is, you know, noted and heard. They deeply identify with it and I'm deeply simpatico to it. What does fair play have to do with it?

Well, I'm just, the question that I want to ask is like, where's the honor in posting on Twitter for engagement and a payout? It's worse than ever. Like, you can't claim to have honor if you are concerned with things like follower count and online clout. Well I've been saying this for a bit is that the monetization of Twitter was a huge mistake because that's why you know it's just the guys being like should a husband do the dishes? Sound off below. Like, read my thread on how to restore your-

Men go to therapy and be like, it's like the worst, yeah. It's like bullets beyond even just like memes or like riffing on a meme format in a kind of like group thinky way for engagement. It's like people are literally mining for engagement. It's like people are literally mining for engagement. Yeah, that's dishonorable. It's horrible. They're all prostitutes here.

Yeah, I'm not even being like overly harsh or a provocative bitch. I'm not trying to put anyone out. This is just like a serious, genuine question I have. It's noted and I agree. It's that also brings me to another take that I've been seeing this guy Jason Whitlock, who's like some black Christian pundit said serious thoughtful replies only. Can you separate

Glenn Greenwald's courageous journalism from his immoral degenerate personal life? Is there a scripture to guide us here? Please share. Thanks. First of all, that's so condescending. And secondly, this is basically a more convoluted way of saying, can you separate art from the artist? Well, he spoke out in support of him initially and said that he'll pray for him to be released from homosexual sin, but that he's knows him to be.

And I was quoting some scriptures and stuff. And it's like, okay, when you're young and idealistic, you're like, yeah, absolutely, totally, yes. You can separate art from the artist. That's the only way forward. And then as you get older, you realize that actually those two things are totally inseparable, like Woody Allen, R. Kelly, Anthony Weiner.

People have certain sick and twisted personal drives that inform and motivate both their personal lives and their public achievements. I mean, I've got a newsflash for people. If someone has done anything of note or had the ambition or drive to be successful in any capacity, they probably have skeletons in their closet. Maybe literal ones. Or just some eccentric proclivities, let's say. Like they're not gonna be like normal quote people.

Right. Because you know, if you're a person like that, who's like exceptional and high achieving, you're either just like a straightforward egomaniac or you're like, you have some kind of like, you know, frankly, narcissistic messiah complex, which I want to get into with this home math guy, which I don't you I don't say that pejoratively, because I think a lot of those people have

actually done a lot of good in the world. I mean, Glenn, for sure. Yeah, Glenn is one of them. Glenn is a force for good. Yeah, like his work speaks for itself. I understand that he's a gay Jewish liberal, but like these people have to be willing to permit that there are good and honorable gay Jewish liberals who may be like the exception that proves the rule, but they exist and they're valid. I mean, he's, I think part of the reason Glenn is so

actually well liked and respected is because of his consistency. Yeah. Even people who don't agree with him on like his fundamental political beliefs still have admiration for him. That's why to me it is like a really good litmus test of, it's like beyond politics.

Like if you're some, if like, you use this as an opportunity to post about gay degeneracy or denounce Glenn for whatever reason, you've like kind of lost the plot. And to me, the integrity of his character has always been intact. He's never been a craven opportunist or a backbiter. No. That's what I'm trying to like,

I guess telegraph to these people. It doesn't matter. That he's like literally just a very good and kind person with a heart of gold. That probably actually gives him a lot of grief and pain at the end of the day. Sure, of course. He's a messy bitch who lives for drama,

but he's our messy bitch who lives for drama. I know, I wish he would have come on the show. I know. I get why. I'm not going to denounce Glenn Greenwald for gay sex acts, but I will denounce him for not responding to my DM. I mean, I bet he's got a lot on his plate right now, but I really was like, he'll do it. He's gonna wanna queen out with his best friends, Anna and Dasha after this one and blow up some steam. He's gonna be so like, out old and agitated.

He's really gonna make us fight to the death. I mean, he's also not a liar. Yeah. And like, I feel like truly if he was, we would know. Yeah, I mean, I feel his pain. I think that it pains him a great deal to not be a liar because it's a very unenviable place to be in. Well, I saw him arguing literally with some like absolute

nobody, total loser, you loser, who's like, you're smoking meth. And he's posting long replies, and they're like, you're not addressing if you were smoking meth. And he's like, well, I don't feel the need to. And I was like, damn, he can't just say he's not smoking meth. Because he's so honorable.

Yeah. And I think that's admirable. Yeah, if he's like doubling down on that stuff, it's not because he's such a gay degenerate, it's because he's like a righteous contrarian and like can't let them have it. He can't give him an inch. I really thought, yeah, with his initial kind of classy

statement, I was like, oh, I bet he's not gonna. And sure enough, I looked at his feet today and I was like, yeah, he's out there arguing. Just like us for real. Yeah. Like inadvisable maybe, but yeah, really cool. It makes me feel better about myself when I argue with certain insane and deranged losers who shall not be named.

And I'm just like trying to get my point across and it's like falling on deaf ears. I know, I know. Yeah. And I'm like like trying to get my point across. And it's like falling on deaf ears. I know, I know. Yeah, I'm like, no, you don't understand. It's not like political or ideological. You are mentally ill and infringing and trespassing. I'm a sovereign citizen. Yeah, a couple of years ago, I gave up fighting with people on Twitter for Lent.

And Glenn DMed me that he was trying to do the same. But we can't, you know? It's so hard. Especially when you have a couple of drinks in you. And you're like out there being a champion for truth and justice. It's not even about you. It's like defending the principle of the matter. Well, to that Christian pundit,

I saw that guy, I didn't know who he is. I have no idea either, but I just noted that he was one of the louder voices. Well, the thing is, Glenn wasn't even in his own replies. He was in Matt Taibbi's replies, because Matt Taibbi posted the, you know, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

And then people were piling on him, and then Glenn was up in those replies. Oh, I'm gonna pull up the Matt Taibbi thing because he said something so, like, I think it was like Only half intentionally funny, but it was so cute. I Wonder if I can find it. I like liked it so long ago and Taibbi was oh Somebody said all this points to Taibbi must have some pretty depraved shit going on

It's like an account with 179 followers and then Taiyibi quote tweets them I've been married for 15 years have three children and live like a monk. Good luck finding any quote depraved shit I mean God you know, it's a blessing to have a low libido in a lot of ways. Yeah. But you'll probably be less successful. Yeah. Than some of the perverts out there making a name for themselves. True. Well, Taibbi's like a wholesome Chungus wife guy

and he's been tearing it up. Well, don't people drag him for like his Russian- Exile, Me Too stuff, yeah. That was, I mean, we've talked about this so many times on the pod, but that was such a funny moment. And I still forget about the details. And I don't know if anybody has the receipts because I've been looking at them forever, but I swear to God, maybe this is some like weird replicant memory that I have that's

like totally like fake and like implanted. But I remember back then when all these like leftists and feminists were dragging him for like raping Russian women because they were disempowered and dispossessed and He like pretended to issue like a mea culpa, but was that it was like actually fuck you. I'm not apologizing I swear to God he did that. I don't think But you can't find that anywhere. Well, he shouldn't. And then all the Russian girls who worked in the office

came out and were like, no, he was perfectly good and decent boss. He bought us lunch. Yeah. I mean, people love to post some of my independent film work as like a damning condemnation of me as like a porn, porno actress. But much like Glenn, if you just don't, it doesn't. It's they can't get you if you don't.

Care. Yeah. If you don't cock, if you say this, yeah, it's my career. I mean, I'm trying. I like, I'm such an empath. When I first saw it, I was like, oh, god, like, how he must feel. Yeah. You know? I was thinking about the kids and how bad it

would be for them. I mean, how many like, not that we're like, collectively reproducing so much, but how many of the people who do end up having children will have like, even if not an OnlyFans, like, you know, I can think of a couple, yeah. There's like gonna be people out there who are not homosexuals. Right. Who have a digital footprint, let's say.

That's like pretty, gonna be, it's gonna gross, a lot of kids are gonna be grossed out in the future. That's kind of like a sad fact of life that you have to live with now. Yeah. You know, Riley Reed as a kid. Yeah, well, I remember when I did the Pornhub podcast with Asa Akira, she's like, do you ever worry

how like your statements and persona will reflect back onto your kid? I was like, bruh. Like. Oh damn. Um. But I love that ho too. She seems so like nice and wholesome.

I don't think it's like, I just think there's things that parents inflict on their children that are far worse and more damaging. They don't code the same way to people because they're not overtly sexual and everyone has all this hysteria about sexual, salacious traumas and stuff.

But I think there's way way more like insidious and permeable, yeah, like, like neurotic, codependent dynamics that people introduce. Way worse. And we all know that like Glenn is way too online to be a smothering dad. I mean, yes, smothering neglect, like weird Freudian dynamics that are introduced because people haven't compromised their desires correctly and slated them into the right kind of parts of their life. So then they end up, there's just, I think, you know,

it's a minefield out there. So it's not something I'd like to see. It's not a position I'd like to see my father in. Right. But I don't think it's the worst. I think it's, yeah, it's something that like, you can get beyond if you have enough love and trust. They know he's gay. And they were, you know, they've seen worse in the grand scheme of things.

Not from the inside of a Brazilian orphanage. Yeah, and like, I'm sure, you know, when your life is hard enough you don't get bent out of shape yeah about that kind of stuff true should we talk about the AI nudes lady speaking of sexually salacious so, an MP in New Zealand, which, I mean, I guess this is common practice in like the UK. I didn't realize MP Yeah, stands for Member of Parliament. Oh, wait, I weirdly knew that. But yeah, it's, yeah, it's a common designation in countries that still hold to the parliamentary system.

That's so dumb. Don't you think that's dumb? Why? Because it's just like, there's got to be a better kind of word or like a better abbreviation. No, not even an abbreviation just like I Mean we have congressman, you know, we have like senator we have like a word that yeah their job Harry and weird like acronym. Yeah

And I just I didn't I was just shocked to Bitch called Laura McClure. Who's a right winger, by the way. And she showed an AI, well, she couldn't be outclassed by Nancy Mays. All these right wing bitches are the same. Are so crazy. They want to talk about degenerate gays. Let's talk about degenerate women.

She showed an AI generated nude image of herself in parliament to highlight the dangers of artificial intelligence. What they're not telling you is that apparently she leaked or she generated the image herself. So it wasn't like some simper stalker on the internet. She said that. Yeah. She said it took me five minutes. Oh, okay.

And it wasn't even hard to find because she was using it to illustrate a point of how easy it would be to Picture herself slightly younger and hotter To make the yeah, but she also blurred it herself Yeah, that's not like a media filtering. She held up the pixelated picture That's so gay and annoying. Yeah, which doesn't even make her point. Yeah. Because it would be way more shocking. Yeah, if she just, yeah, because she's like teasing, edging, whatever. She should have made it of like another member,

another MP. But she wanted to have her cake and eat it too, because she wanted to like introduce sexually suggestive thoughts about herself and people's minds, but also wanted to avoid being condemned as like a slut and a whore. Time and time again, when these things happen, you're really confronted with the black pill that it was a big mistake to give women voting rights and let them hold political office. At minimum it's like net neutral but probably a net drain.

Like women cannot help but make everything about themselves. Here's, wait, here's, yeah, this is the quote from her. So she held up this photo to introduce a deep fake digital harm exploitation bill. And said, it took me less than five minutes to make a series of deep fakes of myself I'm so sure she goes on holding that up in Parliament was absolutely terrifying it did rattle me but she did it because she was worried about the impact deep fakes actually explicit material is having on young New Zealanders here's another quote from her for the victims it is

degrading and it is devastating it gave me the ick having to stand in parliament and hold up the photo of myself even knowing that it's not actually me. What do you what do you mean have to say about what do you mean gave you the ick you're like 50. Yeah. And it's like and like yeah you you want people to go into you but you can't even offer them like a real image. There should be a criteria that if women want to serve

in office, they have to publish their nudes for vetting. Yeah, she's like a libertarian. Yeah, but like she's combating wokeness. Women always like introducing this like added layer of like plausible deniability to avoid responsibility and accountability at all costs. You remember when like hashtag I'm 14 or whatever it was trending.

When people were posting photos of themselves as a 14 year old. Yeah. Ostensibly to highlight how young and innocent they were. But really to showcase how fuckable they were. Because now they're like para-menopausal. Okay, the people are gonna get mad at me because I said once that like women are midwits. Once.

Which like, which like, okay, like most people are obviously midwits. And the difference between men and women is that there's like greater variation at the extremes among men. But it's like women suffer from this classic like midwit fallacy where they really do confuse like the personal and the political like they can't conceive of anything Beyond themselves like morally ethically politically like all of it is downstream of their need for like attention validation

something like that and Like it just like doesn't occur to them that there's anything beyond them like it just like doesn't occur to them that there's anything beyond them so they'll do shit like bring their baby to like the Parliament or Senate floor whatever and like breastfeed them to prove a point or like threaten to leak their news. I mean the deep fake stuff is such a non-issue, honestly. Yeah. Like compared to like the real dangers of AI. Yeah. Which are like the total erosion of information, like labor implications, like how many people will not

have jobs because of it. Yeah. It's like way more important to address. Yeah. And then the defects which aren't gonna be stopped. If anything, they're gonna just like, over saturate. And if anything, they're gonna be really good for you, as we've mentioned before, because when your

Glenn Greenwald sex tape hits, you can just outright deny it and say it wasn't me. When you make a racist comment on Twitter that they dig up. The AI is getting really good. Yeah. Yeah. They really got my voice and cadence down for all these manufactured clips.

But it really is such a serious problem. It looks like, obviously, women can be perfectly good, and even exceptional, like wives, mothers, friends, people. They can be like- Prostitutes. Actresses. Prostitutes.

They can be kind, funny, extremely intelligent, et cetera. But it is so true that they just really, again, do not have a concept of honor or morality outside of themselves for the most part. And people will call me, pick me for saying that, but it is just very sad and alienating to live with that knowledge. I mean, at least in more civilized and developed countries, conservative women have sometimes like a Christian or religious framework.

Yeah. It keeps them, you know, governs their conduct or at least even if they're like hypocrites, it's, you know, they still have like a moral posture. Yeah. But New Zealand is a country of atheists. Yeah, it's a secular society. Even their like right-wingers don't believe in anything. Yeah. So they don't have they like don't have a moral compass. Yeah and I was thinking about like the response to that homath post from women specifically,

which roughly fell into like two camps. Like one was, you know, you're an incel and a loser and you're just projecting because you're miserable and bitter. Well, let's talk about, let's give a little context. Well we'll get to that. This guy who is, I guess, like kind of a influencer guru. Extremely popular. Yeah. I learned. who is, I guess, kind of a influencer, guru. Extremely popular.

Yeah. I learned. And then the second one was, it's not too late. There's still hope for you. You just need to grow up and settle down. And the first one is very predictable. It's sort of just like the nature of the game on the internet, people name calling instead of substant, you know, substantively engaging with the

argument because there's nothing more cringe and like, putting your cards on the table, even showing your cards making like a confessional. No, I know. But I mean, like the response to him of women being like, like, babe, like, don't worry, there's still hope for you. And like, but the second one, I was thinking, like, what's like, don't worry, there's still hope for you. And like, but the second one, I was thinking, like, what's that all about? Like, you know, because it's apparently like a sympathetic message, like, don't lose hope, you got this. That one really annoyed me because like, as directionally corrected as it is, it's probably even worse than calling someone like a loser and an insult. Because what they're doing is like personalizing it. They're making it about

themselves like according to the sailors law of female journalism and like of course none of these women are actually like asking for homath to pick them or vying for his attention they don't really care about him as such which is like normal and healthy on their parts. But what they're essentially saying is pick me. They're saying like, well, there's someone like me out there. Why haven't you figured it out? They're disgruntled because he's making a case for himself by way of a confession that has nothing to do with them and their needs and desires.

Like it's over invested, it's over personalized. Do you see what I'm saying? Mm hmm. And like, yeah, in the first case, they're like preemptively rejecting him by calling him an in cell and a loser so that he doesn't reject them first. But in the second one, they're literally crying out into the ether. Why not me? Which is like such a, you know, woman moment. I mean, well, let's. Yeah, we can get into the context.

So, Ho-Math, yeah, is, I was under the, from the judging, from gauging the response to him, who I was not familiar with prior, I assumed he was like a pickup artist, kind hearty sort of manuscript type of figure. He does make a lot of like basically watered down heartiest points yeah. Right but he's way on Twitter. Heartiest was like I mean a master of the form. I'm a big fan myself but but he was like, you know, deliberately kind of confrontational.

And what HOMAD does is actually much more benign. Yes, and I did like a whole deep dive. I know, you're like crazy for that. I was so impressed to hear you're like such a like natural like researcher and journalist. I was like, I'm the, I know, I'm like, I bought the PDFs. Well, cause then I was like,

trying to look at all of his, well, first of all, at first I kind of like didn't, I was kind of like, what? You know, I all. Well, if you stop at his Twitter presence, you could be led to believe that he's like a miserable and bitter incel if you're retarded. But then yeah, he has this whole like, dossier of PDFs and YouTube videos. And it's very distinct, I think, from like typical Manosphere content. Because his underlying message

really is... I mean, it's pretty charitable. he's it's pretty charitable like he talks explicitly in his videos about like what men should do not to like trick women into having sex with them but to like bring something to the table yeah make women want to be with them through like improving. Enhance their own values. Yeah, he's very like actually, well I also was very, I'm very charmed actually by him. I know me too. I'm so glad you say that. I have a lot of like compassion and sympathy for him. Well I love that he's so bad at drawing. Yeah. And that he's writing and writing and like has found such success that he also made it in spite of it. I gave him $18 to look at these PDFs. I felt completely ripped off. Come on the pod, man. They were like totally they look like something a schizophrenic person would hand me like I said the UN

Look like a fucking exhibit moment PS1 What are you saying but then in his videos some of which I watched he like Talks you through his diagrams. Yeah, and there is like Yeah, he is trying. I mean he's trying to make money, right? Of course, but but he's also like I don't think that's the whole story he's giving very like data driven pragmatic advice yeah to he's basically trying to reverse engineer for extremely online people who have like sissified themselves into having autism what instincts what intuition is or whatever. And I was thinking about how like one point that he makes actually, which is the point that I want to make is that you know women can be very bratty and narcissistic and you know frankly so can men, but often their view of like a successful relationship is like having their needs and desires met

without meeting the needs and desires of the other person. Well he talks about that, yeah, about how that's a very low mode of like consciousness, low consciousness, where you're very like you're self-motivated, you don't or you're not able to see that other people are also self motivated. Yeah. And so you just want to be like loved for who you are. Yeah. And expect that from people, even though you don't offer them anything. Yes. Yeah. And that's like where the relationship starts to break down. Like men do this too, of course. But if you've ever tried to like, you know, buy a birthday gift for a woman or take her to dinner, it's like really a minefield, because there's basically nothing you can do right. And women get the ick from everything. And people don't understand this very obvious thing that like, you get your needs and desires met by meeting the needs and desires

of the other person, but only if it's mutual and they want to do it too. And he, Ho-Math is basically asking this in a slightly more autistic way where he's saying, like most people ask, you know, what can the world offer me? Which you should be asking, what can I offer the world? What can I do for my country? Yeah, exactly. So here's the post.

It's way too late for me to have a real life. I'm not getting married. I'm not ever having a real relationship. I'm never going to build a house or buy one and make it the way I like it. I don't have the time or energy for any of that. I'm an adult adolescent until death now. I got no chance to start any sort of a life that makes sense. You know, I'm 40, right? I'm not in great health from stress issues stemming from the pandemic and I can't handle 100% of my own needs, nevermind a family. Sure, there's a lot I can contribute to the world, but I'm not going to get that much back for it. No matter how much money I get, there isn't much I

can do with it. Maybe get a nice place to live or a car but not a real life. Obviously, like he can't have a relationship based on what I've gleaned from his PDFs and YouTube because he's like highly neurotic and extremely online and to the point that it like consumes all of his energy and makes him tired. Yeah, he's so tired. His work, which is like making like little drawings. Yeah, and basically like having a girlfriend

and you know, God forbid starting a family would infringe upon his internet addiction and lifestyle empire. It would be intolerable to him. And also I was thinking like based on his like rapid and unexpected success, like he probably had to confront the darkness of humanity or of human nature in like a really short time span, which made him even more like paranoid and demoralized.

Well, I think he describes his kind of, he lost 100 pounds allegedly, and was in his like hypergamy chart of like, all women pay attention to eights, nines, tens, but seven below are basically non-entities in the sexual marketplace. He's a big sexual marketplace value type of guy, which I don't believe in. I've been told it doesn't matter if I believe in it

because it's like just a reality. Well he's trying to like over codify instinct or intuition which doesn't work. But it does work you know in that like I think people are so broken. Yeah. That even just you know, like the fundamentals of like, don't be fat, take a shower. Yeah, like try to be presentable to the opposite sex. I think people are down so bad that even his most like pragmatic common-sense insights are like with the way and the way that he like presents it yeah is resonant because it does work

for people because they do see their lives improve yeah and I mean you could like make the case by doing a bare minimum this guy is not merely being honest that he's actually making a confession and throwing himself like a pity party and you wouldn't be exactly wrong. But like to tell you the truth, I found that post very relatable, even as like a woman who did the right thing and had a family and didn't come to regret it.

Well, and it's not like because like on account of my like personal romantic failures or loneliness or anything, it's because like this one thing really stuck with me, which was that I really vibed with his characterization of himself as like an adult adolescent, which reminded me of course of like Welbeck's line on how we're all old kids now. And you know I went back to that Welbeck quote and in his reading it's not feminism that's to blame for the ills of society it's a general

like contempt for or hatred of the old though you could also make the case that the old are what you know gave us feminism of course but the one place that i thought he was wrong is that it's not just like terminal bachelors like him who are like old kids or adult adolescents. It's all of us. Like even those of us who are married and or have children. For sure. Yeah. Or like petulant and low functioning.

Yeah. But I mean, hearing you read it just now and after having looked at some of his output, it's interesting because he doesn't really, he's not really like bemoaning his lack of a real life. He's actually just stating facts, which I also found like expecting to get kind of like misogynistic, manosphere content. Like actually most like even though I disagree with them fundamentally, because I

don't have like a quantitative view of human relationships in that way. have like a quantitative view of human relationships in that way. But he was he is very like, autistically kind of like just stating facts. Yeah. And like categories and like, you know, life's not a flow chart. It's a pigsty. And that's where we really differ, I think. But he has this. But also in that post, he's not saying boo hoo. He is kind of just saying what I don't think he wants to necessarily change his predicament because he doesn't.

He likes it. He enjoys it. When I say likes or enjoys, I don't mean that he really consciously likes or enjoys it. I think it gives him a lot of anxiety and grief, but he prefers it that way. Well, I don't know if it does, because his whole self-maximization kind of project, coursework, flowchart, PDF has to do with a very honest,

has to do with a very honest, you have to, the step one is to figure out what you desire. Right, and to work backwards from that versus working backwards from your biases. Right, and then to think about what you desire, take in the external output of your situation, and then modify your behavior, appearance, whatever, accordingly, and receive feedback that then there's another step in there somewhere.

I don't totally follow it, but I think if he wanted a family, he could have one. Yeah, he could reverse engineer that. Yeah, he would. But I don't think he does. I don't hear that in what he says. No, he much refers to be like, he could reverse engineer that. Yeah, he would, but I don't think he does. Like, I don't hear that in what he says. No, he's just stating a- He prefers to be, like, terminally online

in a lifestyle group. He's making a statement fact that he isn't going to have these things. Yeah. Probably in part, though he doesn't say this, but because they're not a priority or something that he desires enough to, like, modify. Exactly, yeah.

And that's why I was pissed off by all the women coming out and saying like don't lose hope there's still hope for you because again they were making it about themselves and this guy was being like honest and vulnerable. And like one of the arguments you see a lot from both men and women that I got a lot when I like retweeted him is that you shouldn't take this guy's advice because he's a black pillar. And it's an argument that like a lot of people who make it don't fully understand themselves. He's he's not a black pillar because he says like harsh and defeatist

things about female psychology and like male oppression or anything like that. But because his whole thing his whole brand is like bumping people up to the next level of metacognition Which is fundamentally like unwelcome You know that kind of knowledge is frankly demoralizing and dispiriting to live with You become one of the walking dead. You don't want to be in that position At like once you see you you can't unsee. And I'm always eternally perennially surprised by how your average person,

even people who are quite smart are very resistant to having any kind of self-knowledge or self-criticism that isn't like a deflective cope. Like nobody will ever like go the full, like take it there and like acknowledge what their real like flaws and faults are. Which I understand, I'm very sympathetic to that because it's like.

I mean, the ego's paper thin. Yeah. You know? Yeah, and like, that was sort of the argument made by James Lindsay. I still don't know who that is and don't care to find out. And I know a lot of like, right wing anons really hate him. So, you know according to them

This was more like bullshit and smears from Lindsay because he's like apparently in an open marriage and has like a mudshark daughter stepdaughter But he was making this point that like you can't take advice from a guy like that because he's like bitter and miserable and a black filler and so on and so forth, but You know, I said this on Twitter, but the idea that you can't take advice from someone because they don't like don't perfectly live up to what they preach is like one of the most pernicious midwit beliefs ever. Fallacy detected. Sometimes people just give good advice because they have lived experience and see the world for what it is.

You know, even slash especially because they're a little fucked up. I mean, he seems like he's definitely crunched the numbers at least. I don't think. I mean, a lot of people should take his advice. I mean, the point of people should take his advice. I mean, one of his. His advice is frankly good. I don't detect any bitterness or misery in what he's saying. One of his most salient talking points from what I've gleaned is that because of the hypergamous kind of like model of heterosexual relations, a lot of women and men, but women especially, because they get attention from men kind of no matter what, even if they

don't see them as like serious relationship prospects. Well, that they overvalue themselves, that most people are statistically mid. Yes. But most people don't think that they are. So they overestimate their punching weight or whatever it's called. And end up in like a cycle of like situationships and like unfulfilling relationships in which their like desires aren't being met because they're not. They're not casting a wide enough net.

Like it's like the article that you sent me about Tinder introducing the filter for height. They're not pairing with people that are matched with what they are matched. Yeah, equivalent. What they are able to bring to the table. Because they're delusional. A lot of women are straight up delusional.

They think they are the table and don't have to bring anything to it. And so then they end up trying to couple with men who are out of their league who have lots of other mids that are available to them that also don't bring it. So there's no reason for them to be picked. Yeah, they never stop to, again, ask the question of what can I offer this other person versus what can this other person offer me?

And also, frankly, most advice that you see on Twitter is humble bragging. It's women flexing on other women by giving tips on how to become like an age-gap trad wife or like men calling every woman ugly and retarded as like a point of pride. And like my feeling is like if you can get past that I automatically already want to hear what you have to say. And the other thing that I would point out is that like I don't want to I don't want

to say this publicly because I'm Going to be accused of being like ugly and undesirable and a single mom But with all due respect we're all losers in the game of love Every single one of us even if you win in the end not me Even if you remain the nbc Even if you win in the end you were once a loser like oh, yeah Love is a is like a game of trial and error you strike out a lot Love is one of those things is that account Dimitri who usually posts coal pointed out on Twitter

Is that like you can do everything right in the game of love and still lose I? Mean home ath would. No, but it's it's like, there's always room to improve, but you'll see statistically better results. Yeah, but like with all due respect, it's like most relationships are statistically doomed to fail. Yeah, many marriages are statistically unhappy. Like it's very unclear whether you will ever find

the right person. This is something that people, all people, no matter how like accomplished and attractive, grapple with all the time. It's just like very hard to find a person who you truly get along with and who sees you. I saw a really good tweet that was like, I forgot to like bookmark it or retweet it or whatever, but it was like, you know, you have to let go of the hardest vanity

to let go of is the desire to be understood. Well, yeah, no one's. I think that in its own way is like a low level of consciousness. Even that. Desire. Yeah, because it is egocentric. And rather than like venturing to understand someone else you like displace your purpose into being understood but really there's like a mutual exchange in which neither is like perfectly understood. Yeah you're like colliding against each other like bubbles. That's what all dating is now

I guess the worst thing that I can I was talking to my old friend gate analyst Who's like an old head of? right wing and on Twitter Was like I don't I don't want to air him out But he's like the sweetest and kindest and gentlest man And he was like disagreeing with me and we were like going back and forth. And I realized like probably the worst thing that I could say about Ho-Math is that he seems

kind of like spiritually Asian, if not actually Asian. Like there's some Asiatic type of vibe with him. The utter like reductive, profliging of quantitative information over. And he has, he in his self maximization, he has like many anecdotes that he points to. And he's not like so like he does have like a sense of humor. That's not, you know, I don't find that funny.

But like, you know, he is attempting it kind of like a satirical tone, I guess. But yeah, he tells his from his own lived experience, he. Lost 100 pounds. There was a woman he went he claims he went from a four to eight. And then was like, I don't know enough about his lore to know like when he reformed, I guess. Oh, no, he, I guess he talks about this in that interview that you sent me in Man's World. Basically that he was like, not reformed attractively but like then he proceeded to have I guess a lot of sex with he was hypergamous yeah but that's

what I'm talking about like he really like learned the ins and outs like stared into the abyss of the darkest side of human nature in a very short period of time because he almost overnight he went from being like a nondescript nameless faceless loser to being like a popular internet persona. Well that was he says that when he was at his most hypergamous he was not yet he was broke right physically he became more physically attractive. So women were lusting after him but they weren't loving him. Yes.

Yeah. So he was having lust, but not love in the flow chart. And then after that, something with COVID too, then yeah, he's very recent. He only recently started kind of like doing this. I know, but I found that also very relatable in terms of like even like the podcast because we were like totally broke directionless losers.

And then it took off really quickly, like almost overnight and you have to grapple with all these effects. But I think his glimpse, that is to say, I think his glimpse of the abyss happened Yeah, and when he was like before yeah Prior to this arc and when he was like having lots of indiscriminate sex Yeah, but the other thing I will say about him is which I think if he was Asian would not be the case Yeah, maybe he's not Asian. He's like spiritually Asian. Yeah But because he's like unmarried and childless

and has no hope of getting those things in his present state and doesn't really want them, it really almost feels like he's transferring his paternal impulse onto helping others. However imperfectly, but he even says this in that Man's World interview you sent me. He says, but he even says this in that man's world interview he's you sent me. He says it's not solving problems that I like.

I like being useful to people. I believe that 100%. I mean, he's not like a total altruist. He is. He gave he does like personal coaching sessions of people for money. He has I mean, he obviously has like some kind of like narcissistic Messiah complex. Well, I think he wants to.

Also make money. Sure, but I really just like I'm trying to like making this about myself and thinking about like my own relation to this and like. My like kind of overwhelming driving force is to help others by getting them up to a new level of metacognition, which often backfires because people resent it and find it to be like presumptuous and condescending, which is, you know, it's like it is like narcissistic messianic to even think that way. But it is true that he's probably like helped a lot of people.

Like he talks about how he's like had fans and followers who were like total like basement dwelling in cell gamer freaks who took his advice and then met a girl and got married. So he's obviously like not a net drain on society. And which is why I think he ultimately does not want to have a family or I quote real life. Uh-huh. Because he's more useful in this position. And he's doesn't want, doesn't want it. Because if he wanted it he if he wanted it, he would know.

Yeah. He would apply the 48 rules of power or whatever. Yeah. And it gives them a certain, I guess, satisfaction or peace knowing that he's helped people without giving somebody like full responsibility without being smothered by them, I don't think he could tolerate at this point at least being like married with a kid. Which is something that you have to respect.

My two cents about it is that he's probably like not met the right person yet. Maybe he won't. No, that's a that's a real possibility. And it sounds like he's realistic about about that. I mean, I shouldn't say it's like not hard to get married, but I think if more people did take his advice, however flawed, but at least appraised themselves more accurately and tried to not just improve themselves, but like, yeah, be a benefit to someone else.

That they would have better results in their interpersonal relations. If they like bothered to step outside of themselves and care about other people things will automatically just click into place for them. It's so obvious. Maybe not automatically, but he eventually I think if you do the right things, you'll have right outcomes. Yeah, or maybe you won't but you could kind of rest easy knowing that you tried. Yeah. I like this quote. The guy the interviewer says studying psychology, you studied psychology too, anything that

states or even suggests that men and women might be different can be pretty contentious. People can get pretty upset pretty quickly. How much screeching do you get about that? And he says a lot, but it doesn't bother me as long as the screechers don't have any power. I just don't care. I don't respect them. They're clearly wrong. And I think most of them know they're wrong. And I think they're saying it anyway as a virtue signal and I can't imagine being so evil. They're disgusting to me. The way they tell lies and that they know our lies

just because everyone around them is saying it, which makes me think of what you said about the kind of faux moral outrage to the Glenn Greenwald sex tape. And I also really liked his response to the question of why women typically deflect responsibility or accountability, because that's something that I've grappled

with a lot myself. Like, what is it about us that we innately cannot? And he says, yeah, that's something that I'm always trying to put more pieces together about all this stuff. And one of my best resources is just women who watch my material. Blah, blah, blah. Women don't want to appear. Oh, yeah.

This is not great. Fuck. Hold on. It's just like not letting me like read the quote. Well, he's yeah, he's dealing in harsh truths. And I think in the case of his like female critics, and men too, but women especially, they don't, it's not so much that they even are lying,

it's that they have like a self flattering idea. Well, yeah, I think that the men's paranoid It's that they have like a self flattering idea about themselves. Men's paranoid suspicion is that women are lying to you when the reality is that women are lying to themselves. He says, like, I don't really understand what is the interior experience of women not wanting to take accountability. And somebody explained it to me last night

as a function of sexuality. Women don't want to appear to be the initiators of their own desire because it makes them look undesirable, like they look cheap and they look promiscuous. If a woman expresses desire, then it's like, is that what you do all the time? Well, you're not worth the investment then so it's a way of protecting their value, pretending I don't have desire, you made me do it. And then that translates to everything in their their value pretending. I don't have desire you made me do it and Then that translates to everything in their life. Oh, I didn't want to eat the thing. You made me eat it I didn't want to go here on vacation. It was your choice

That is probably True, I think there's some truth to it. It's like that like right wing meme about How the lion is being raped by the lioness or whatever. Like women always actually make the first move when you think about it. In their own way. Yeah, and they want men to make the first move. I think his analysis of like female sexual purity or is somewhat overblown and doesn't quite add up to like it's it's it's it's very like adolescent view of human value,

where he's like a 10 is like a little businessman who's strong. And like, yeah, he has one drawing where a guy has like a briefcase that says like 100 billion on it. And like, yeah, that there's this idea that there's, yeah, like a 10 amongst men and a 10 amongst women, and that they're,

that people are doing these kind of mathematical calculations to determine someone's value to them based on their sexual history and attractiveness. And I think it's much more simple mm-hmm than all that I think a lot of his like the base the fundamentals are there which is like if you're really lonely and down bad like yeah maybe just try taking a little better care of yourself. Yeah.

And just get out there. Just be a little better. But I think heartiest is correct. And that part of this is like a biological reality, right? That like women have one egg a month. For every thousands of sperm, yeah. Yeah, and so they are just more valuable in like sheer, brute, reproductive,

sexual marketplace reality. And that's why they have more choice. Yeah. And part of that is due to feminism, like giving women to a agency and all of that. But even like innately biologically, there's something where they- Yeah, there's some lag where like society has become

like anti-natalist and non-procreative, but women still have like an upper hand or something. And part of that is like economic factors where women now out earn men and men are less employable and less productive and less valuable monetarily. And women don't need a man to take care of them because they can go get some shi jo. Whereas in the past, there was more of an incentive to, you know, be monogamous to someone that was mid.

Yeah. you know, be monogamous to someone that was mid. Yeah, I mean, that was like, that's why I can't ever fully turn on Jordan Peterson because he had that great line about how like, well, you know, constructs like monogamy and capitalism are not perfect, but they're like the most functional and ideal setting that humanity has figured out. He had he had another great line where he talks about how society is men,

because the value that we get out of life comes from things that men do men provide a much more concrete form of value than women, women provide relational value mostly, which is not less valuable, it just that it doesn't mean anything without the material value. Likewise, material value without relational value is empty. It's like, oh, you're rich, but nobody loves you. On the other side of it, if everyone loves each other, but you don't have material, you starve to death. I mean, that's like very basic and Asian, but it does prove a certain point.

I think it's, you know, it's true that, well, society even in its most like brute form, which is like language, is male-oriented. It's all men made it all, men made it all up. Yeah, men literally built civilization so women could administer its decline, yes. So true. They sure are.

Yeah, which is what happens when you give them like a free, I mean, we can talk about like the Tinder height thing. Riley watched the self-maximization video with me. And, because yeah, the example he makes is, yeah, there was some girl that he's known from childhood who had rejected him his whole life until he had a glow up. And then she wanted to be with him. And he's also I also find it very cute how he's kind of like wholesome in this weird way where he's none of his drawings are glued.

He always will do like xxx or like a little devil to like insinuate sexual activity. His little signifiers that he chooses are very cute. But yeah, so he started, then she accepted him. And he got the ick? Yeah. She told him that she actually had a boyfriend that she was cheating on. Uh huh. With with home. And he told her that she could either have a boyfriend or they could have a casual sexual relationship. And then she broke up with her boyfriend to be with him, but then he didn't want her. Uh huh.

And she gave him the egg instead. Uh huh. And that was, you know, sort of his. But I said to Riley that I had never, never. In my life, have I had a situation or I couldn't even really imagine one where there had been someone that I had rejected who. Improved themselves in some way that then made me regret rejecting them and want to like embark on a relationship with them.

And then I said, but I don't really have very high physicals. Though maybe, you know, because Riley is by far the most attractive person I've ever been with. So maybe deep somewhere deep down. No, I think that you like Riley because he's a kind and gentle person. The attractiveness is helpful, but it's incidental I think so too like if he was short and fat and bald and he still loved you all the same I think you would probably go for it Well, yeah the high yeah, and yeah, he he was like well you like men who are tall

If I was like, I like you. Yeah. I was like, but if I was on Tinder, I would not have a, there wouldn't be a height. Preference at all. Deal breaker for me, really. Yeah, it's so delusional. But I think for a lot of women, judging by what I see, and I think in real life it's not true, I think most women, I think most women would prefer a taller man to a shorter man.

But if a man materializes who ticks all the other boxes, right, then you can really like roll with it. But I do think a lot of women, like if they are able, you know, with the wide array of, and of course there's the data to back this up that women get far more matches on apps than men do. But that's also like, that men basically will match with any female. Yeah, like men and women get to be more selective. Yeah, but this gives them like,

kind of artificial delusional sense of their desirability, because the fact of the matter is that like, most men would fuck most women. Fuck, maybe not be in a relationship or marry, but like, you know, with all due respect, like women are very easily flattered by the attention that they get from men. And like, you really shouldn't be because they're into all of us at all times. Simply, it's like the law of e-girls.

Like there's so many different e-girls and they're all like relatively attractive, I guess. But really the reason that they kind of rewire men's brains is because they post pictures of themselves so often. And if you do that often enough, it makes you more available and therefore more desirable. That's like-

Paul Math would disagree he would say that your like availability or perceived availability to men decreases your sexual, maybe not like man will fuck you but they won't. Yeah I mean I mean to the degree that they will fuck you but women take place too much stock in the fact that men will fuck them because they'll literally fuck anyone I mean, I think broadly that's true. Men will fuck a table. Yeah They do not care Yeah, and like one's sexual availability or penetratability is nowadays, especially

like arbitrary and devalued. Yeah. Because it's another thing is like, maybe he addresses this on other videos But I think he also underestimates how many women Will they won't fuck any guy? But like they want women want attention Yeah, I think they get a lot of that attention from just like having like simps and pay pigs on the internet Yeah, like a lot of women are just like having like simpsons and pay pigs on the internet. Yeah. A lot of women are just like not really into sex.

They're into what sex signifies about them. But they don't actually want to perform all the depraved and degenerate acts. They might not want to, but they will. They will do it. It affirms something about their desirability. Right. So then like. It's like cat person.

Yeah. That's right. Exactly. They like don't maybe, they want to, but not for the same reasons men want to. And a lot of women will also have sex with men that are like not matched with them on the whatever one through 10 scale. They'll fuck people with less sexual marketplace value because they just need like the dopamine and like affirmation of like someone wanting to have sex. Or they won't even fuck them,

they'll just take the showering of attention. Oftentimes they will. Yeah, that's true. And maybe I'm naive and maybe, yeah, like women get the ick more than I think, women get the ick more than I think. But my impression is that women like suppress their ick impulse. You know, they'll like ignore things

that they don't like about someone and put out anyway because they're like, everyone's kind of holding out hope that someone will like rise to the occasion. Yeah, that's everybody. That's not even women. It's just that someone will like rise to the occasion. Well that's everybody, yeah, that's everybody. That's not even women, it's just that's everyone. Well men will have sex with a woman and definitely know they don't want to be with them. Or whereas women will have sex with someone

they don't wanna be with. By every indicator, if they were more rational, they would compromise better. But I think a lot of women have sex or like embark on relations with people with the hope that they'll be able to have some kind of like transcendent elevated romantic experience with them.

Right, yeah. Maybe I'm wrong. No, I think you're right about that. But that's actually like nice and healthy and wholesome to hold out that kind of hope. Yeah, I think it's like a white pill ultimately. Yeah. And if people could break through to a higher level of

metacognition they wouldn't feel they wouldn't know they would be so depressed and demoralized they would never even leave their bed. I mean I think they wouldn't be so they'd make better decisions they wouldn't be so they'd make better decisions. They wouldn't be so like wounded and misled by people who not only they don't have anything. I mean, there are so many times in my life where I was like not so many, but like maybe two or three times in my life where I was like so seriously in love with a guy and I thought he was the person for me. And then in retrospect, looking back on it, I'm like, what was I thinking? I mean, yeah.

Home Math really had me. Reflecting. Yeah. Especially in my early 20s when ostensibly I was at my peak sexual marketplace value. I was definitely not, I did not understand. Yeah, you didn't know what you were doing. That kind of ho math. I was like, he's a poet.

He's bisexual. That means he's open to experiences and nonjudgmental. His drug addiction is. I can fix him. It's indicative of his romantic soul. Yeah. He's too sensitive for this world. Which is why he has to pawn my jewelry for.

That's actually never happened to me, but it's happened to quite a few of my girlfriends. It's never happened to me but I mean yeah I... When he's hitting it from the back and thinking of what jewelry he can steal to give to him. Okay, it's still like to this day, my favorite meme of all time. I mean, New York is also unique in that it has more females than men. And a lot of the women in New York are, you know, attractive and high functioning and successful. Yeah. And because they are pulling from a smaller pool, they have lower standards. Right. But in my lived experience, you know, I have a very very like attractive and cool female friends who are definitely not overvaluing themselves.

Yeah, I have a very attractive and cool female friend who's like an 11 out of 10. And she said to me recently, I feel so lonely and unfulfilled and I just want to meet a man who wants to get married and have children. And I was like, oh damn, no. And I was like, what the fuck? Like you? Because if I was a man, I would choose you.

Yeah. Like you have a perfect body and a great mind and you're a racist. I mean, one, cause the cat, he's actually really, he's not misogynistic, homad. Yeah, he's not, he's not, he's not miserable or bitter or misogynistic.

Let's get that out of the way. In his like application of his maximization method, there's all of these categories in which men can improve themselves and add value. And for women, it's much shorter. And in some ways, I could see how the read would be cynical because it's like women kind of have a natural peak

that they, you know, they can't, they could kind of get hotter, but like only so much. Right. That's the old like hit of ceiling. That hit the wall. Whereas like men can always like make more money and get what a blah blah, whatever. Get bolder. They have like more options in some ways. Whereas like men can always like make more money and get what a bubble. What do you get? Balder.

They have more options in some ways. They can get more G wagons. Because women innately bring something to the table just by virtue of being women. Yeah. But one of his the categories in which women do add value in his model, which I appreciate, is sanity. And in there, again, not like, surely for sex. What does he mean, like in there, like utilitarianism and pragmatism? No, in like their, like a woman is more valuable in his estimation

if she has like less baggage and is less like, of a new, you know, she's like a staple and is able to just provide like a, you know, and that seems like such a like base level. Well, if she's like able to be like a cool and chill and easy going person. Yeah. Instead of a deranged and decrepit monster. It's like, what's that quote like? Show me a beautiful woman and I'll show you a man who's tired of fucking her. That's so true. I mean, yeah. I.

One woman comes to. Ha ha ha, she sure does. It was notably famously attractive. And yet. Can't keep them, can't keep a man. yet can't keep a man. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. But he had actually a very interesting line where he said, like, you know, the common coin is that men are simple and women are complicated. And actually, like, men are complicated and women are simple. I don't think that's entirely true. I think that most people are actually quite simple.

Oh, I was going to say most people are complicated. No, no, most people are actually quite simple. Oh, I was gonna say most people are complicated. No, no, most people are actually quite simple. I think you're actually right. Think about what you really want in life, which is like a peaceful and easygoing existence with a person who matches your emotional wavelength, not even your ideological wavelength, that doesn't matter. Well, some of that things.

As Kate says, somebody who mirrors your conscientiousness. That's sweet. But it is really sweet. People don't want that, even if they say they do. Yeah, I mean, I think some people are like just dramatic and broken and like beyond salvation. But most, I saw like a really great Dostoevsky quote that was even the most calculating in sociopathic people are actually more innocent than you think and have certain needs and desires that

are being unmet. And I think I've said this before, and I don't think how math would disagree. But I think with gender relations being as precarious and fraught as they are, much like sanity is like a categorical value add. I think because women are so anxious, that even like if a man makes them more anxious, then they freak the fuck out and they can like sense, even if it's not in their conscious mind, but if they feel a kind of like unsafety or insecurity, it like amplifies their like chaotic feminine impulses.

Yeah, I can see that. And that, yeah, if men once again, like rose to the occasion, and obviously there's like socioeconomic factors that keep them from necessarily being like providers, but like even just in a- Well, this is like an intractable problem. How do you get men to rise to the occasion? What incentives are there? This is a question Bap asks a lot.

Again, it's like a more elaborate way of saying of why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free. I mean, love is the only incentive. It is, and like when Hohmath says that he's like stressed and tired, it's like the only thing that makes you not stressed and tired, the only thing that gives you energy is love. And not just love for like a romantic partner,

but love for your child, your family, like love in general, but love for a romantic partner seems to be like, I guess, like for lack of a better phrase, like the linchpin of most people's Consciousness, I mean there was that like famous eyelet Waldman essay back in the 90s that got her a lot of flack Where she talks about how? By definition you have to love your husband more than you love your children Which I'm like kind of on the fence about I don't know if I agree with her entirely, but I get her point, I see what she's saying.

I haven't read it, but. I haven't read it either. I just remember that this was a big discourse in the days before internet and ALI. My gut. Or social media. My gut instinct is that you just love your, you have to love your husband differently than you love your children. Yeah, that's that's like a very Smart and succinct way of saying it. Yeah, and you should love your children sort of like unconditionally. Yeah, and You should respect your husband which is hard to do because you love your husband more conditionally

It's more valuable and takes more effort. Yeah, actually, I don't know. I say that as a childless person, you know, like I think. That that's it's not it's not a numbers game. Yeah. Like home, I think where there's like a certain amount of love that you are like spurs. Yeah It's just different What do I know I'm just happily married What do I know I just did all the right things

But don't take my advice. I tried waifu. No, well, my, yeah, it's like I just think there is love can't be broken down into these. Like quantitative elements yeah yeah or but that's that's what it really comes down to and now I'm sounding like one of these women who's like don't lose how you got this as I said earlier it's just like when you meet somebody who totally suits you and agrees with you. Like when you know, you know, it just like works out.

It just, historically, hard to do that, hard to achieve it. I mean, don't lose hope and maybe you really don't got this, I would say. Like, you know, like it might not work out, but you have to. And then you have to you have to figure out a contingency plan, like being a lifestyle influencer on social media and making lots of money. It's inspiring how like because yeah, like in the age of like the infographic,

you know, yeah, Where there's so much information that's so like glossily and coherently presented that he would become so successful making these like schizophrenic drawings that make no sense. Yeah, Home-Ath lost 100 pounds and he didn't become Richard Hanania, good for him. Can you imagine the Richard Hanania sex tape? It's just like him throwing dogs

off a parking garage as a kink. He's like, yeah, I got this. Don't, mate, don't. I mean, I will say, and maybe this is because I think this applies to the majority of people, but being like a bottom or a sob is way more, seems way more healthy than being,

you know, if the video was of Glenn Greenwald like degrading a black guy, then he'd be in real trouble. Yeah, he would. But like everyone kind of. He was putting a black guy in a Daniel Penny headlock. But that's also where I think. Tell me who owns you.

Whose property are you? Who's your white god? Who's your daddy? But I think, you know. He's like, I'm just your door dashed electric guy. Ah! But most, most people, I think that also takes the edge off the Glenn stuff, I think,

for a lot of people, is that most people are bottoms in their orientation and desire and just like, they don't relatable. Yeah, we just wanna take the edge off of the crushing weight of our responsibility in this world. Yeah, people can kind of like understand it even if they pretend not to because they're trad or right wing or Christian or whatever.

And it's like very degeneracy coded. The foot fetish stuff, I don't think anybody gets it. I don't get it. I don't think it's a real foot fetish. It's not a thing. I don't think it's about the, I mean, for some people it is, the foot is like a fetish object. I don't think it is. I think it's fake. I don't think it's about the, I mean, for some people it is. The foot is like a fetish object. I don't think it is her gland.

No. I think it's just about the like degradation and the power. It's a power. It's all it's like a power dynamic thing. Yeah. I think. Men have there's men out there who have legitimate foot fetishes where they want to see the soul of a woman's foot. Quentin Tarantino.

You know, like, I understand how the foot can be erotic, but I don't think that's, in my analysis, what's like the video is about. It's not about the foot. No, no, no, not at all. You know? But for actual foot fetishes who are predominantly male, I think, yeah, something happened in early childhood where they displaced the, I mean, that's what Freud says. Uh-huh. Is that there's.

You. See your mother's feet in a formative moment, and it like triggers something that then like. So true, Queen. I think there's something to it. Maybe he was smoking meth when he came up with those ideas. Makes sense. He literally was. Makes sense to me. He literally was. Makes sense to me.

He was doing nasal cocaine spray. He's on ketamine with Elon Musk. Oh, yeah, true. I forgot about that. I don't think that's true at all. I read the New York Times piece. Uh-huh. It's like, we have a source from private messages

that says he's not on ketamine. I mean, he might be. He might be, and I don't really care. I think he probably takes it in some Silicon Valley optimization intravenous. Sammo Bergea. Yeah, so perfectly diluted. He's doing it to combat his depression.

He's microdosing. Yeah, I don't think he's tripping balls in the White House. It's such a transparent kind of like. And I don't even. Like smear campaign? I'm not even a fan. No, I know, I know. I don't even know if I like Elon Musk, but kind of like, and I don't even know. I know, I know. But it's like even I can see that this is like, I don't know who would pay. It's like there's no source.

There's no it is like it is like foe, moral outrage and moral faggery. Yeah. Like and then like, yeah, with like because of his. Autismo, you know, they like have the pictures of him like jumping up and down. He's on drugs. I don't think that's drug induced. Yeah, it's maybe nice if it was. Gay and weird. But he just acts like that.

You wish it was drug induced because it would explain a lot. Yeah, they're like he was on he on he's not on Ketamine. He's firing federal employees to do anything. That's like how they have to surely he must be high. Implement these anti corruption. How could he come up with these crazy ideas? Well, he left the... Yeah, I heard.

He's out of there. I'm right in the Hindu stance. Oh, the Arsler retard. Oh, wait, how long have we been going? I'm so... We can wrap it up. Should we talk about the Ursula? They don't really say anything that riveting.

No, but it's kind of a benchmark in the war of saying retarded. Yeah, they've been waging for a long time. Of course we get no credit. They wheel out a bunch of like annoying and retarded experts to talk about how it harms marginalized communities. Because I know it's just it's always been we all know it. We all want to say it.

It's just I've said this from day one that it's a descriptive word. There was some like, profile that came out about us, like in the early days that was like, I'm talking to Dasha on the phone and she says she's so hungover she feels retarded. She's harming marginalized communities. It's like, no, I mean like I drink alcohol

that slowed my cognitive impairment. There's nothing inherently bad about being retarded. No, there isn't. Of course. It's not even on the same level as the N-word. Not even close. Are you kidding me? It used to be the word.

They used to say mentally retarded. All the time. And then they changed it. Well, they do this switch and bait where they're like here's a quote Joe Rogan Elon Musk and Kanye West are likely using the word to get a rise out of people and draw more eyes to their content bond benton ever faster communications at New Jersey University never heard I grew up in New Jersey never heard of New Jersey University but But by using a term that has historically been used to disparage and diminish people

with disabilities, they're renormalizing the slur among followers and fans who interact with their posts. He said, must Grogan West haven't responded to CNN's questions or comment? And then they wheel out another dumb bitch expert, Adrienne Massonari, an associate professor at American University who has studied how the far right uses tech to grow its influence. She says that this is symptomatic of a graver problem, quote, the loss of empathy,

quote, the demonization of communities, quote, a pushing of the envelope. Notice how they don't even have to specify like which communities. Dr. Retarded says merely by using the word communities, you know, they're like pushing gay race communism.

The word has never really gone away, they say. In fact, many people still use it in private. Many including controversial far right influencers and some members of the former quote dirtbag left podcast scene even use it in private. Many, including controversial far-right influencers and some members of the former, quote, dirtbag left podcast scene even use it in public. But most people were comfortable with the word retreating from the normal discourse after years of campaigns designed to end the slur bent and said, like basically demoralization campaigns

to police people's language as a means of policing their thoughts. You gaslit people and gave them like an arsenal of words like ableist. Yeah. To leverage against people who were talking in a normal human way. Yeah. You want you want them to buy into your definition of empathy, which is just like emotional terrorism by another name.

They they get into how it supplanted diagnostic labels like imbecile, moron, and feeble-minded for people who were treated as lesser members of society, regularly institutionalized in dangerous environments, and even forcibly sterilized without their consent. Can you have consent if you're retarded? Well, I guess that's the issue. Yeah.

Because you can't. When disability is framed as a lack of limitation or loss, it reinforces the idea that people with disabilities are inherently incapable. Leaky van human. Wait, read that again? When disability is framed as a lack limitation or loss. That is the idea that people with disabilities are inherently incapable. Leaky van. Is that not what disability is?

That's it means you don't have the ability. You lack certain your cognition or capability. Yes. A clinical associate professor in disability and human development at the University of Illinois Chicago told CNN This is how they get you and also prove your point Because they're like you have to conform to our language and labels and if you don't you're a bad person You want to sterilize? Yeah Mentally they want able neurodivertible.

Yeah. They want you to fall in line with their warped, resentful, morally inverted view of the world by making you feel bad that you're harming marginalized communities of actually retarded people, which is not what it's all about. Everybody has total sympathy for people with Down syndrome nobody really thinks about them it's fine like no yeah they're not like a victim category in

this situation there's no I mean Louis CK has that bit where they, we used to just say retarded, but it's not a point out. Yeah. It was a clinical definition. Uh-huh. To describe people with a legitimate disability that was used to affront and insult people who didn't have that disability.

Or do. To make a point. Well, it literally just means slow. But nobody's making fun of people with actual retardation. We don't say that. Because everyone, again, feels sympathy for them. There was that Norm MacDonald clip from a couple years ago where he, I think, said retarded and then said,

oh, sorry, I meant down so yeah it's like it's not that's not how language works you don't get to like police what it means. Well, they do and they want to. Well, they're not anymore. It's back, baby. And this was rejected at the ballot box because it's like very clearly evidently not abusive, insulting language toward people who have a disability.

It's to whatever. I'm not going to get home, math autistic and try to explicate. I mean, it's interesting. They stopped letting us say retarded as they became more and more. Yeah, I mean, hey, I got banned on Twitter for saying retarded in 2019. It's unjust. Now I'm back, baby, and I could say it as much as I want with total impunity,

and no one gives a fuck. Which is like some ho math level of blackpilling where you're like, wait a second. So none of this matters or ever meant anything. I mean, I feel like I was asked by some members of my team as recently as like a year ago or two maybe. Wait, what team? My handlers. Okay. My agent. Oh. Was like, do you have to keep saying retard?

Yes. I was like, that's not, come on. Yes, you have to. I'm not going to sob now. It's not OK. Here's the thing when you say like and soft landing in like the privacy of your group chat that's met as the term of emphasis and affection when you say and hard landing that is clearly over invested and over determined you're trying to prove a point and it's a little vulgar and racist

When you say retarded it literally means nothing Except you're trying to illustrate that the person that you're Debating with is retarded It means what it means. Yeah it doesn't mean anything more than that. It definitely doesn't have hateful implications at all. Well no it does toward the person that you're using it against because you're saying that they're like slow and feeble minded and imbecile. I mean, you a lot of people also use it to describe like situations or states of mind or, you know, it's like also used

not even in an insulting capacity. And that's where it really, you know, like, sure. OK, don't like insult people by implying that they're differently abled or whatever, but that you were made to feel like you couldn't even say it to like, describe something that was actually like retarded. That was like slow and independent. It's like woke more correct because they do point out in that article

that it's about likes and engagement. In other words, if somebody like Joe Rogan or Elon Musk or Kanye West says the word retarded it drives likes and engagement, they're getting it the other way around because what they're really offended by and responding to is that those people have some organic appeal because they have the confidence and freedom to say what they want to say and they're not like cowed by the language police yeah it is about likes and engagement for them I mean I've met a handful of Red Scare fans over the years who have been very eager to say retarded to me. And it has definitely become kind of like, I wouldn't even call it a dog whistle,

but like a signifier of one's freedom or something, but it didn't have to be that way. Yeah, if you would just accept the common usage of the word. You could have just taken the boot off our neck and let us talk normal. And then there wouldn't be this kind of reactionary. And like unselfconsciously, which is really what it's all about.

And the only reason it became like this whole self-conscious construct is because they made it that way. It never really occurred to anyone. Well, and because they are harboring their own prejudices against the retarded, where, and of course this uses an insult, I'm not like being like obtuse, but like, that the word itself is inherently like retarded, prejudiced or like cruel, I think betrays like your own values

about what you think is insulting. And I've always said that I am reclaiming it because I myself am retarded. So I'm allowed to say it. Well, it's like when blacks or trannies are like, you're just jealous of us. And I'm like, not really, no, I've never thought of that. I was just speaking openly and feely and making some retarded fling.

Well, we've done. Yeah. But I mean that with no disrespect. But no, I love you to death. On the internet, everyone's always projecting. We'll see you in hell. Thanks for watching!