Red Scare - Vanity Unfair

Episode Date: April 26, 2022

The ladies discuss James Burnham's The Machiavellians and Vanity Fair's investigati

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Yes! Wow! Oh my god, I'm in Vanity Fair! Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, let me read this. The suspect wore Louboutin. What? Wow. So as I'm reading the Vanity Fair article,

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Hold on, hold on, I can't do anything about it right now. It's gonna be okay, I'm calling Jess. She said I was wearing six inch Louboutins to court her with my tweet outfit. Jeff, did you read the Vanity Fair article? I wasn't wearing Louboutins, I was wearing little brown kidnield f***ing bitch. She could have swayed this f***ing case.

Does she have any f***ing compassion for this? Oh, no. Oh, no. I'm so sorry. We woke the baby up playing the Pretty Wild clip. Okay, we're back. We learned our lesson.

Yeah. My bad, I was just trying to play an audio clip from Pretty Wild that kind of captured my feelings about the Vanity Fair article. Which we can return to. Yeah, I didn't see that one coming.

And actually, this is like how profoundly stupid we are. People are like, Peter Teal is funding these girls. And I'm just like, no, I like forget to drink water on a daily basis. We woke the baby up trying to play a clip off my phone. Like an e-news clip.

Can Peter Teal get us a wet nurse up in here? But I just realized that you could have just sent me the clip and I could have inserted it as a track. It would have less of a authentic feel. Well, now you have the file.

Sick. So it'll be easier. You know how to rip audio and stuff off YouTube? Yeah, maybe. I can learn. I will do it for me. For sure, I can't be that hard. Yeah. Yeah.

I also did not see that that article coming. I also didn't read it. And I was in London and I was like jet lagged and like grumpy. And I did throw a total Tantrum. And I'm tired of being

maligned by the media class when I've worked with everything I've had. And I don't even... At least I came from money and I did it. And I didn't even have love. I remember that Lana's spoken word

where she says they say it came from money and I didn't. And I didn't even have love and it's not fair. Or like the Dalmatians from 101 Dalmatians like always under threat of getting skinned. But then when I actually did read the article today

he makes mention of how the people on the quote always feel like they're under attack. And I was like, okay not no. But that's the media class's fault for gaslighting me and making me feel that way all the time.

And it's constantly scapegoating me and dog playing and invoking my podcast to signal being problematic and bad. Nailing me to the effing cross. Um

Do you have a little lighter? Yeah, it's right there. Um Yeah, no, I was like screaming like like teal it to the judge. Um Uh

Yeah, I've we don't have tail funding. We shouldn't even have to say it. These people are and I got then I got so mad that I ended up reading that book the Machiavelli. Which dovetails nicely with the article. I think like the article is interesting

aside from the part where he launches into that random like thing about us and honor Levy, which has nothing to do with anything. Yeah, I resented yeah, the tenuous connections he made between my student film acting

and my role as appearance. Um it was a real um what's the word I learned from the Machiavellians monistic. You think one thing is responsible for all the stuff that happens.

It's a very unsophisticated way of looking at the world. Unlike me because I know that I've read a total acting book. But it's really the way that social media encourages people to think. Well, Gaetano Mosca

like all Machiavellians and I rejects any monistic view of history. And that is any theory of history which holds that there is one single cause that accounts for everything that happens in society. Um and really smart people like us in Manchester's Muldbug know that

it's a bunch of stuff. I'm glad that you name Gaetano Mosca because I'm going to quote him in a minute and I like forgot what his first name was. Well, yeah. He wrote this book like two or three weeks ago and it's all a blur. His name is Gaetano.

I read it on the plane on Outer All. So I was really, because I was so pissed off because I still hadn't really read the Vanity Fair article but I was like they don't like my politics and they don't even realize that I don't even have politics but wait until I read this book

and I get some and I become even more reactionary and even more trying as like a monarchist or something else weird. Retarded. But then actually something I gleaned from this book that

did resonate was that there's a ruling class and a ruled class and the majority of people are Iron Law of oligarchy. The majority of people are getting ruled anyway. But we already gleaned this on one of our first episodes of All Time

when we first said 95% of people are bottoms. Exactly. It's funny again what men write elaborate analytical treatises about and what women and homosexuals intuitively know to be true from experience.

Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, I think his chief insight Burnham's chief insight is that society tends toward oligarchy in the way that it organizes itself and given that reality democracy is in fact not

a competing political system but a useful political process and political myth and how he sets himself apart from the flock of other political theorists is that he's at least attempting to

proceed inductively through a careful kind of scientific or observational study of historical facts and human behavior rather than deductively from certain presumptive and high-minded ideals or wishes

about human nature. Yeah, he did the autism for us so we didn't have to. And we love him for that. The picture that emerges of democracy is a rather bleak one. Democracy, much like happiness

is not a permanent state. It's a temporary condition. In other words, it's not a political model it's a political tool. And in order for there to be the best you can aspire to is not

like a utopian ideal because they're necessarily doomed because as political political scientists we're doing facts here, Dante. We're adding another label to our multi-hyphenate status. Don't spare me your politics of wishes

because I'm here to talk about the facts and the truth and freedom which I all love and the best societies are the ones in which there are checks and balances, so to speak. What is it?

Juridical defense, which is a concept that I admittedly don't fully understand. I fully wrote that down though because I was like, I love it. I was like, I'm all about juridical defense now. And it's the most important part of a healthy civilization

and we don't have it. No, no. And so the question becomes not whether society should or shouldn't be ruled by an oligarchy, but what oligarchy will rule it. Just in practice because that's how things shake out. And like...

Yeah, like you see the democratic process basically functions by submitting a narrow field of representative choices or options to a referendum or a vote.

Which already compromises your sovereignty. Yeah, and it leads as we know to, usually leads to undemocratic results. And then the political myth naturalizes after the fact the rule

of this elite minority of people. Amen. You have a what? Gaitano quote? His name is Gaitano. Yes. Well, okay, Burnham goes through four.

Gaitano, Mosca, Michelle or no, Michelle he just has a critique. Let's pull this up. I didn't finish it. First in the intro he takes apart some political treatise Dante wrote that

seemingly appeals to the divine rights of certain men but is really just shilling for his political camp of what Burnham perceives are political traitors. Then he launches into Machiavelli,

then he deals with Mosca, then with Sorrell, then with Mickels and then with Pareto in part he says that the United States and Anglo-Saxon societies are dominated by hypocrisy and so they're the most diverse

these Machiavellian ideas because they hate the truth. Well, because they deal in again like these high-minded utopian principles that basically amount to manipulation and propaganda as we see with the Democratic Party.

The book starts on his he's like a former Marxist and a former Trotsky and the book starts with him kind of dismantling the platform of the Democratic Party in 1932. Oh, he was a socialist. Like me. He used to be a socialist

and now he's a total Machiavellian mastermind. No, I'm just kidding. He got blackpilled. Well, that's what I thought. I was like, I'm going to read this book, I'm going to become Machiavellian and vanquish my enemies and then I was like, I'm just a bottom. Yeah, you're a cog in other people

and I'm just not going to worry about politics because I'm going to get ruled anyway. This is like very instructive for me in light of what's happened in the past four or five years and he talks about how

liberalism is but one ideology, but this process happens regardless of any particular ideology though every specific ideology at hand basically serves to naturalize the rule of the elites over the masses

in the sense of if not making it seem natural, making it seem inevitable giving it the appearance of something unavoidable. Right. And that is what the Democratic Party is doing

as we speak at all times. What was the quote? Yeah, and as I said also on a couple of episodes ago, in the past you could appeal to divine right now in this day and age we appeal to human rights

and the principle of democracy itself. Yeah. And well now there's this worship of science that's sort of in place of a decaying belief in divinity

that's also manufacturing a lot of consent that you will. Yeah, that has nothing to do with the scientific method or the scientific process. This is like a very trite observation but the other part of it that was very kind of

And my mans Burnham loves the scientific Well, he's trying to do something that's basically impossible which is apply the scientific method to politics and kind of cure the reputation of political science.

Yeah, through the vector of Machiavelli as an ethical thinker. Yeah, but that was the most instructive and fulfilling part for me that his definition of ethics and then his subsequent defense of Machiavelli and really of himself ultimately

as the ultimate ethicist This is like where the Mosca quote comes in but he basically argues to the extent that it's even possible like his idea of ethics asks us to see the world as it is rather than as we

want it to be or wish it were Here's the quote Much like Camille Palia Burnham sees society not as a strictly oppressive force but as a quote reciprocal restraint for human individuals by one another which makes them better not by destroying

their wicked instincts but by accustoming them to controlling their instincts and actually I was thinking that this kind of outlook or philosophy is the through line that unites all of my favorite thinkers and writers and artists from Lash to Diddy

and to Morrissey to Hanakie like they all have this very kind of like real politic view of the world You pessimism He prefers to it at one point I forget in what context I mean what he's really

rejecting on its face is this Russoian tradition which basically holds that man is innately good that he is born innocent that in his natural state he favors truth and justice and that it is society in the

final analysis that makes him wicked and corrupt and cynical and that's also like a very Pollyan outlook I said this also before like my attraction to his theory

and my critique of it or like essentially one in the same in that I view his view as highly plausible and highly accurate but also like overly deterministic the point of being cynical you know you can say well the best predictor

of future behavior is past behavior until it isn't until it isn't until there's that black swan to love and you have to give people room to dream and imagine outside of like worldly parameters oh definitely yeah

which is why people can have some socialism as a treat and some religion yeah you know like I'll be the first admit that I find it very challenging to think outside those worldly parameters which is like why I'm often understandably accused of being like

insufficiently emotional or empathetic and it's not that I don't have emotions or empathy it's that I suppress any public display of those things because in my mind it feels manipulative and propagandistic

right right like I feel like I'm hawking something if I start crying about Ukrainian refugees in public of course no I understand yeah I think overall like this book when you read it you're just like nodding

along with it and you're like this is so obvious why did you have to but then it kind of hits yeah it's it definitely well I yeah I literally was the only book I brought and I was on the plane and I was like okay

dosh just um I like how he quotes Hitler Ampley I think I think it's all like taken from mind comp which is a book I haven't read

no of course not and I think even like the basic stuff like he says like what are we talking about when we talk politics many to judge by what they write seem to think that we are talking about man's search for ideally good society or his mutual organization or the maximum social welfare or his natural aspiration

for peace and harmony or something equally removed from the world as it is and has been Machiavelli understood politics as primarily the study of the struggles for power among men which is where Peter teal comes in mm-hmm and where I'm kind of checking out

the last thing I really want is power well yeah that's why I love Jerry Garcia well you I mean you have to assume some level of power right which is scary

and unpleasant well sure because then you were in certain avenues but politically I mean right no yeah I mean and that explains why like so many of our elected officials today are just like they feel like they were made in a lab

mm-hmm yeah they're like these glib and charismatic but actually not figures like Macron and Obama and Trudeau who are basically just like status mongers one he did yeah I figured he would yeah but Marine Le Pen

got like 40% of the vote she she got up there yeah it's funny because if you look at the demographics older voters in France prefer Macron and younger voters prefer Le Pen like that's the new right you should be writing about Vanity Fair reporter not some random podcasters and like

poets on the Lower East Side what are you talking about yeah well it's also just a little too late you know yeah I have to your point of sort of nodding along to the

obviousness of some of Burnham's points while admiring their like autistic clarity and coherence so he talks about democratic and aristocratic tendencies and he says since all of us in the United States

have been educated under democratic formulas the advantages of the democratic tendency are too familiar to need statement we less often discuss certain of its disadvantages or some possible advantages of aristocracy to begin with so long as the family remains and in some form it is likely

to remain as long as we can foresee the aristocratic tendency will always be asserting itself to some degree at least it too accords with this ineradicable human trait with the fact that since a man cannot help all other men equally and since all cannot prosper equally

he will prefer as a rule that those should be favored towards whom he feels some special attachment and I was like I remember learning about this at women's college when it was called feminist care ethics are you familiar with this? no not at all

I was in college when I read it and I should have looked it up but yeah it was just the idea that you can't care for everybody it was like a feminist response to like universality yeah you can't spread your emotional labor too thin

you're obviously going to care more about your family, your children the people in your life that you have attachments to and that's not unethical yeah I mean I think even like Richard Dawkins of all people made this point it's a really obvious point that

we can all agree on but that gets lost in this like social justice human rights framework where people are like freaking out at you about why you don't seem to express the kind of reasonable amount of care for like

people you have total strangers things that are completely out of your control as a bottom and it's funny again because it seems like women have like a natural handle on these type of concepts

yeah women are the original Machiavellians and the original Straussians because we dwell in that or mud hole in the ground and we're always like figuring out ways to like claw our way out of it my objection always to this very feminine

tendency to overexpressed emotions and empathy like somebody like Taylor Lorenz does very selectively was always that like I understood that women like all of us have this like you know when John Berger said well you know men watch

and women watch themselves being watched yeah it's much much worse than that we like to specifically experience ourselves in self-sacrificing and self-abnegating roles everything from Madonna to whore

where you're like a caretaker or a cum slut because the reality is that a lot of our motivations are rather ordinary and utilitarian well bottoms are as Sean Monahan another homosexual

said are you know people who I think he said New York is full of bottoms yeah because it's full of people who feel special when they get fucked hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha

hahahaha I never thought of bottoms that way I mean bottoms women whatever mmhmm yeah and I think that that explains kind of like the natural attraction of most women to being the muse rather than the master mmhmm

and it's of course like you know it's like a offloading of responsibility oh yeah yeah being a vessel mmhmm mmhmm anyway should we do you have any other burnham insights

or any other quote that I like earmarked my book looks so gay it's like pink highlighter and like orange pen I have ones I mean whatever hahahaha

um oh here's the part about juridical juridical defense in real social life only power can control power juridical defense can be secure only when there are various and opposing tendencies

and forces and where these mutually check and restrain each other tyranny the worst of all governments means the loss of juridical defense and juridical defense invariably disappears when one tendency or force in society succeeds in absorbing or suppressing all the others those who control

the supreme force rule then without restraint and the individual has no protection against them from one point of view the protective balance must be established between the autocratic and liberal principles and between the aristocratic and democratic tendencies and I feel like I took

like his like positive review of democracy to be that like in a democratic system like one that's probably more symbolic than functional at least you can have as like a bottom the expectation that you will be protected to some

extent from the excessive exercise of power and force yeah but you can't I mean increasingly it feels like it's falling apart very much so the center cannot hold

and this is where moldbug comes in but it's very funny because there's been like a slew of these think pieces on moldbug from Joe Bernstein was the first then it was Jacob Siegel

and now it's James Pogue is that his name the Vanity Fair Guy James Pogue, James Pogue this is Dajah Necker someone I didn't like what you had to say about me and your bullying women I actually like you sent me his pic and I was like wow he's actually surprisingly

hot he looks like the guy who played the journalist in Enlightened um Mulroney yeah I don't find him hot but he's seem upon reading it

he was more charitable still not to me or as I felt but he wasn't like a gender goblin or a land monster which is what I was expecting yeah and he did seem though many of the

connections he drew were tenuous and monistic as my boy what gate with gay Tardo man gay Tardo Retardo Moscow in 1943

he seemed he did seem sort of smitten with the the libidinal pull of this well yeah this new right this exact sexy new right it's like

it is very like myth making it has the same kind of vibe as all those meet the dapper white nationalists think pieces that came out about Richard Spencer in like I don't know 2015 2016 and look what that amounted

to meet the mold bugs fiance is a BDSM activist that's something I took away from that that was the most kind of like what salacious detail

but like it turns out that she's got a high IQ but I was there there were so many like right wing guys on twitter they felt like benighted and betrayed by mold bug for dating the libtard and it's like men are all libtards when it comes to pussy

they are they don't give a shit and why should they I'm sorry and the flip side is that women are all like total fascist bootlickers right wingers when it comes to

dick you have some like principles about like social justice and like pro-choice that you throw right out the window and you meet some like shadowy avi like a non-right winger or whatever

give me a break mold bug even says in this article that like his job making everybody aware of the fact that we live inside the truman show I think like that was the quote I mean he's basically just like point by point reprising

gternum's ethics yeah I still haven't read that tablet piece about mold bug but now that I've gotten to the source material I'm a mold bug of my own and when I finally get some

politics y'all are going to be begging me to stop please Asha no I have a dumb question yeah in light of this article what is the meaningful difference between the alt right and the new

right the new right is newer than the alt right they're newer they're less maligned because there's less trump hysteria so now people can sort of now people like us

and honor levy can openly flirt with certain reaction or at least as he tells it we can go to brandon melville all we want I think that brandon melville they should make a shirt it says brandon melville that's a free idea from us

it's a million dollar idea chauvela the real cathedral is all the stores that aren't brandy and they're all but what honor said is also true

which I agree with which she says in the piece were you reached out to for this? no which I thought it was funny that he reached out to her but not to us and he made this like he is trying to insinuate that we are funded by Peter teal and if he talked to us

we would say we weren't no but I think we're damned if we do I've learned the hard way the minute that you start vehemently denying things people not only don't believe you but hate you even more

and like whatever like if people want to think that I'm funded by Peter teal that's on them they look like retards because as you said on twitter why would he pay for something that we give away for free why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free

yeah I'm gonna say and I won't be muzzled oh I was sorry digression but I was on the plane about to take off for London

when the pilot got on the intercom I was with Maddie and Betsy and the pilot was like hi he said I've just received a note from I wish I could remember exactly because it was happening in real time and Maddie knew because she already wasn't wearing her mask

because she read like a Bloomberg article that was like the mask mandate applied to travel anymore it's been like struck down by some judge in Florida and I was like what and she already was like unmasked and no one was saying anything to her

and she was like it's gonna be about this it's gonna be about the mask note from the corporate from the printer he said like from the printer and I've just been given notice that the mask mandate is

not mandatory and all crew and passengers are free to take off the masks and me and Betsy were like hauling I was ripping that muzzle off everyone was taking their basically everyone was taking their masks off

and she still had her mask on and I smiled at her and she fully took her mask off and people were so it was such a beautiful moment solidarity it was the democratic process at work for once it was amazing it really I was like so glad I was on a plane I was so glad I had to wear my fucking mask

for the whole plane ride and we could all like see each other's faces and just be like human beings enjoying air travel internationally you know what made me so sad about the masking on airplanes thing I was thinking like what if the plane goes down

and we're just all wearing masks like little death cucks I know you want to plummet to the earth with your mask on like our face gets incinerated extra hard because that shit is flammable soaked in BPAs

wraps to your face and you can never get it off once you survive you have to wear the mask forever and then you go you go to heaven and they say sorry you're denied entry because yeah we can't tell who you are we can't see your face that God gave you because you're covering it up with a totally

satanic mask for the pandemic and it's been years and we know the masks don't even work and what's going on I know and it was great I loved it I'm like so jealous that you guys had this beautiful moment

it couldn't have been it couldn't have been honestly it was such a good moment what a thing to experience yeah it was beautiful moment in human history I said I said muzzled something

I won't be muzzled so even if I were to take the teal money it would have to be on the condition that I could continue to speak my truth that you can turn on him on the drop of a dollar ever done yeah

if he was like you can't talk about Freemasons anymore I wouldn't take the money or whatever other crap that I like to talk about because I hate feeling treaded on me too sister except in the bedroom

I I I don't know I feel like we should call it for what this is which is like people scrambling to come up with rationalizations for any kind of like independent

success or cultural impact that people have the thing I really can't stand it I know that however niche and marginal it is by the way at the end of the day the thing that really grinds my gears is people who are like and she got a bit part on succession because of teal

of like being vaguely right-wing has benefited me in any way in my acting career like well that's the other thing that like just dumbfound me and alluding to Amanda Milius' student film also I was like do not be drawing these tenuous

connections because that I was 23 I just moved to LA I was acting in student films and you're gonna crucify me for not being enough of a democrat I wasn't even socialist then it's so stunning because people analyze events from

a completely like archaic obsolete vantage point where like the Republicans are like not a chief existential threat and the democrats aren't the kind of like all powerful all controlling

party that they are in reality I mean tyranny yeah and it's just like do you guys really think like being right-wing helps anyone in media or academia or Hollywood or any of the industries where the

cathedral reigns that's not even a value judgment that's an objective statement I'm out here fighting for my life trying to book yours saying out of pocket right-wing stuff all the time me

who me and you know I love you for it thanks I just always get antsy whatever rejection is God's protection wait what does that mean

like any opportunities that I don't get for my politics or like God bless yeah you didn't want them anyway exactly but it's people you know trying to rationalize some again minor niche success or impact but also like trying to make themselves

feel better and less petty by cloaking it as like a political or moral issue if I had the teal money I wouldn't be yeah I would institute a socialist revolution and get people to organize and it's like oh well not only are they taking

money period but they're taking money from like a dark and dirty source I'm so sure say all these people that are like funded by Bezos and Soros yeah

I'm not even like shocked or upset about it I feel like it's very understandable I mean I think it's again people's attempt to explain what they perceive as an unfair advantage that other people enjoy and that's the whole kind of economy

it's funny because the guy James Pogue who wrote this article actually launches into this kind of like self-aware like meta-segment where he talks about like well according to somebody like Menchis Moldberg I'm actually

not merely a reporter who's trying to write about significant and newsworthy matters I'm actually a functionary of the cathedral who's like doing propaganda on its behalf

yes and you know who isn't baby there is a good quote I'll like pull it up see if I can find it the one thing I will say to his credit like a lot of people I know like my friends and associates

were praising this article and thought it was smart and thoughtful and maybe they were responding that way also because it was fairly moderate and like not overly emotional or hysterical in making denunciations which is how all journalism seems to sound

today well it's because those of us on the new right really do feel attacked all the time so if someone doesn't overtly you know I mean remember when people were calling us like red browns

sort of you know it's like that's how you know impressions of this article sort of made me feel where I was like what I don't I don't know I thought JD Vance was trans I really don't know who

that is such a trans person name but it's like a female to male trans person not a male to female trans person name I thought they were trans I don't know who they are what's the other guy's name Blake Masters I don't know who that is he's the guy that I met

who gave the quote I'm aligned with honor in not knowing who those people are yeah well I read the article I've met Blake who's a fan of the pod I've met Peter Thiel who does not listen to the pod

as far as I know even as a gay man? no I don't think he's that kind of gay man he doesn't think he's us no and he's not such an Anna or like kind of randy and uber mention

reality versus expectation for me it was very nice and rewarding to me Blake and Thiel because I've been shilling 0 to 1 since like 2014 I really like that book and I love

Astrosian Moment the essay that Thiel wrote after the fact that again I've always argued is totally like mutually exclusive with the worldview that is portrayed in 0 to 1 but I was always just like interested in their writing and Blake was Thiel's former student

who co-wrote 0 to 1 with him and now Thiel is openly financing his campaign in JD Vance's campaign so that's like how that that's how that's I have not met

Thiel nor Blake and why do you think the IDW guys don't want to meet me because they think I'm a bimbo they think you're a bimbo

and they think I'm a nerd well we have and the truth is like a lot more complicated I've met Robert Patton I've met Suki Waterhouse but I haven't met any of those guys just we occupy different but complementary

lanes in the e-woman media industrial complex I don't want to call myself an e-girl because I'm way too old for that shit I'm an e-matron an e-hag if any of these guys want to

talk I've beat the can't read a book allegations and basically about almost all of the Machiavellians and like I have some thoughts no you do I'm not a bimbo y'all no you're not

I just play one on my podcast so that people will underestimate me exactly it's Machiavellian it's Machiavellian the fucking the chief allegation fueling the Peter Thiel rumors was that we experienced

like a spike in subscriptions and earnings on Patreon after Eric Weinstein's podcast and it's like the simpler Okam's razor explanation for that is that he has a vastly larger normie audience

that isn't like cynical and blackpilled and they were like happy to see a woman talk because the writing suffers from a woman problem there's no there's effectively no women and the women that exist are either like straight up like bimbos or they're tedious intellectuals

I wouldn't even say that I was going to say like Laura Loomer kind of but like crazy they're either like off-puttingly crazy or they're off-puttingly boring the only the only woman that they really have

I think is like Ann Coulter but she's become like she's never she's got a shtick that she's doing and we love that I've always loved that leggy blonde once again come on please she probably doesn't listen to it either

no but I feel like she would do it but like to bring it back to the relevant example of Peter Teal you know the left is always accusing him this is in the journalist's words of like seizing key positions of authority and power with the intention of eventually bringing large numbers of people around and it's like sounds nefarious

isn't that what everybody's trying to do I mean anyone who's trying to rule yeah and like political jostling that's what anyone who's doing politics is doing yeah yeah and like when power can't rule openly because of this veneer of like democratic principles

it has to like deflect and project and like sets it's like little powerless foot soldier bottoms into coming up with annoying conspiracy theories about how things work yeah to have a field day all go for it you want to tattle on me for not being a democrat

that's what you want okay I think it'll like be fine and it's like you have to ask yourself why is it nefarious or a non-starter when Peter Teal invests in various political and cultural causes but the democratic party when they do it through their like

vast and all-encompassing pharmaceutical complex that's not only acceptable it's like basically undetectable because it's so like embedded in the culture and that doesn't rule out that Peter Teal's motives are in fact

nefarious right like they could be I mean Burnham talks about this power always corrupts yeah but you have to like apply the same standard exactly in assessing the

various power games of various camps yeah so as a millionaire if you were a billionaire wouldn't you invest in certain ventures and fund certain causes that you felt strongly about

or even not strongly or maybe just trying to make a profit wouldn't you invest in brandy melville art hoe podcast and brandy melville wouldn't you spend all your money on brandy melville yeah I just like

I don't think Peter Teal is particularly interested in women well that is very simply true he's not doling out the teal bug for the broad yeah

so what so he wants to have some salons that's so wrong also I've met all the Peter Teal staffers and they're like all young people with daddy's credit card they like wine and dine and like expense shit

there doesn't seem to be an explicit strategy or motivation at least like I'm not privy to it I mean sounds like some progressives I know who work for some progressive political organization you know

why is Peter Teal more evil than George Soros or Anthony Fauci for the matter I'm sorry I mean I don't know I don't know enough about anything

maybe you can make the argument because he funded a founded Palantir it's Palantir it's like a surveillance firm but everybody also does security and surveillance

it's not like unique to the right wing and PayPal all the time that is how I make my real real payment Peter Teal funded my wiki feet and my facial feminization surgery we'd both have FFS

if we were getting that Teal money and you know it if you could have FFS what would you get done well I get the whole thing you'd get the whole package I'd look like an anime and get my eyes enlarged and tiny nose

huge mouth the smallest face you've ever seen frack fake frackles gorgeous lashes no I mean I could use it I spent the money actually that $24,000

that you spent on the real real that was Teal bucks I was told because by the grace of God met someone who worked for the real real after we did the pod where I talked about it

and she hadn't listened to it but she and my gnaughtling agent Alex Sebelis, shout out no agency were doing it because I was like just give me a little more store credit

I was like I'll take it but it's such a negligible difference I was like even 60% I said this on the pod I was like I'll take it real real VIP whatever you need this is the real instinct the real new right

and Alex was like they can't do that because the store credit is as good as money it's currency I was like what I was like it's like crypto but it's like getting a promo code

well it's apparently somehow maybe these are this man scientifically and analytically explained to you in an autistic fashion why you couldn't receive more store credit no no no I just sort of took him at his word

that well you know with the inflation and everything you know the money is no good so basically that's that's why all my money is wrapped up in real real store credits it's an investment strategy it's the only thing that's worth

any money it's like rapidly depreciating I think I used to buy Brock collection rags I used to buy used clothing and it's called crypto currency and soon it's going to be the only money that's worth anything

real real bucks when things really fall apart it's funny how your immigrant mentality expresses itself in buying used clothes and mine expresses itself in buying brand new shit like I've never successfully

been able to shop for vintage and I like envy people that do because they like are able to get like one of a kind unique things but I just like cannot bring myself to I mean I've actually shopped a little on the real real here and there well what you're going to want to do is

find a psychiatrist okay you can do telemedicine with who will prescribe you ambient okay then you're going to take the ambient and then go on the real real and then or Etsy whatever to avoid saying something racist

on Twitter because that's usually how ambient addiction expresses itself and then you're going to want to make some purchases and you'll be shocked when they come in the mail but luckily you can run some errands and make some returns listen I have like a week left

of my oh yeah your no shop it's been going well it's incredible how much will people can have when I spent them I don't

I don't know where it went but it's gone and that's why I have to do some soul searching no indie films this summer to replenish my bank account and maintain my health insurance I love that clip you sent me of Johnny Depp being like

at the time it was I thought it was so much money I was getting $1200 a week which was the minimum SAG rate he was kind of like breaking into a British accent here and there oh yeah I was going to do a British accent at the start of the pod

but I still can't do one yeah I can't really do one I was sort of blowing it a bit in London where I the screening went great

shout out to London a lot of nice fans in the UK a lot of nice poofs and fanies yeah I had a jolly good time in England I did and

the fans were sweet and not as vampiric and scary as they are in New York City though London beautiful city very similar to New York New England you know

so it's kind of you know you do all this international travel and you're kind of like okay New York's kind of better London has always felt very kind of discombobulated and soulless to me

it's like a giant predator well everything is so global home out now that it's you know yeah but I think that they're really like the original global homo empire and they created this yeah

no I had a great time it was a beautiful city had a lot of fun at Harrods and Harvey Nichols that was like I went to London in like 2019 I went to Harrods and Harvey Nichols and tried on Prada for the first time

and felt like a pretty princess I tried on Bottega Venata which was too big it's always too big it's huge and the shoes are like clown shoes yeah the shoes

are clunky they were doing something interesting chartreuse thing this season that I slipped into and simply was not small enough did you do any shopping in London? what's Bottega? it's Italian sizing? I spent all the money

it's not even Italian it can't be Italian sizing Prada is Italian sizing and I'm a 38 Italian and this was presumably the smaller size but I don't know no I didn't really do any shopping we took Betsy to Chiltern Firehouse some fancy restaurant

the same guy that owns the Chateau Marmont oh because it's her birthday she has the same birthday as Hitler 420 and we were celebrating Betsy Brown the actress known for having the same birthday as Hitler we were celebrating smoking weed I mean not Hitler's birthday

but didn't even come up she is Jewish so I didn't do any shopping no but I didn't particularly want to but I did I was hanging out with

this vaguely pertains to Burnham and the conversation we had earlier where I met a young Muslim fellow it was one of the blokes we were hanging out with at the after party who was very quiet and polite

and kind of lovely in his own way he was carrying all this bottled water that I bought because I was trying not to be hungover which didn't work because alcohol was totally poison whatever he was Muslim

and I was like there's a lot of Muslims in London you don't say but just a weird little funky by-product of them being an empire we let backfired because this Muslim guy

told me that Christianity was for losers because they let Muslims into the country and he told me Christianity was for losers but that's a good myth for a young man to subscribe to that his religion is superior well of course but it was shocking

the audacity Muslims here would never say something like that yeah they would no because we'd lock him up in Guantanat for that kind of thing but I was like I was like well it is but there's a kingdom in heaven

I was like hello but he was very well mannered actually shout out to Sufran I don't know if he listened to the pot he didn't seem like he did but they believe that they think Christianity is for losers well they have to believe that

right because then they'd have to believe it if they thought they were the religious losers among the Abrahamic religions how would they ever get through the day but Christianity is kind of the bad rock of it is a kind of loser dumb

we're all losers, we're all sinners we're all totally wretched it's only through the grace of God that he loves us so much that he let his son be crucified be a total loser for us and Jesus is the example

was the ultimate act of topping from the bottom we lose so he can win through us exactly exactly so we can top from the bottom he just stood there in heaven he turned the other cheek

lacerate him and worse crucify him it's horrible but this young man said to you that if you were going to be religious you should choose the oldest religion i.e. Judaism or the more advanced religion

i.e. Islam which i haven't read the Quran but doesn't seem like i would really get it it's like horseshoe theory it's so advanced that it's actually backwards but Judaism is a husk of what the original Judaism

was yeah it's now like the ADL exactly and i think Christianity is clearly the most advanced well it depends on the Christianity right well Catholicism i don't know

enough about this to even have a dog in the fight i know i'm just like i'm weighing my options like jewish guys muslim guys but jews are great do you see that picture of Hasbulla at Mecca what a glittering image

i still think he's some kind of like a messiah but that doesn't make me like him any less yeah when are they going to start writing the think pieces about Hasbulla and who's funding the acceptable face of Islam funded by Peter Teal

so what if Peter Teal was funding this weird little Chechen dwarf that pretends to fight other dwarfs from Tajikistan and Kazakhstan for the benefit of American people on social media and i love Hasbulla

i love him i let him kill me he probably could he easily could when he gets that knife out he goes crazy i would but i hope it doesn't come to that i hope we can have a conversation

do you think we'll ever meet Hasbulla dude i would love to meet Hasbulla he's like what are you happy about just recently Anna Katchin and Dasha Degresova were pictured arm in arm with Hasbulla

the islamic extremist the only thing extreme about Hasbulla is how cute he is extremely cute and violent Hasbulla looks like if me embrace had a baby that's probably why i love him oh my god true my first love

that's so fucked up i never thought about it but true yeah i think that's part that's part of my soft spot for Hasbulla i was like recently in a group chat where people were sounding off about how hot John Mayer is and like i love John Mayer i think he's a brilliant musician

even though his music is like mad corny and i also think he's super high IQ and like he's just really intelligent and like brilliant and all interviews that he gives come on the pod but i can't find this man sexually attractive

because he literally looks like if Elon Musk and i made it you saw that Elon Musk bull gates yeah it was good i like that i hit that with a like i don't think i've ever liked an Elon musk tweet just like out of principle but i had to

my man's being funny now that the cat's out of the bag i'm just going to go on a liking spree i love a guy who can't help but chip pose you know obviously yeah Elon musk might be

edging out Peter teal as my favorite tech oligarch because he's so like creative and funny even though again his sense of humor is like not to my taste but at least he has one which is like more than you can say for most people in that sphere

is refreshing in the tech sector for sure Balaji oh yeah oh well so today i was instead of finishing the Machiavellians um a book about

Russian spirituality okay that was my priest is doing a way of the pilgrim reading group and so i picked up a copy of anthology of sort of like Russian spiritual thought

but i read something in that that said and i don't remember which guy it was so don't ask me if you were of the world the world love its own which is like to me why Catholicism Christianity is the most sort of

advanced because it's like we suffer because we're not of the world if we were of the world we suffer because we love us we're all like bug men who operate under false consciousness i guess that's

if i was of the world i wouldn't have so many haters trying to nail me to that i wouldn't have so many real real packages coming to your doorstep well i wouldn't be returning them certainly i'd be hoarding them

along with my wealth which i'm not doing because i'm a ephemeral being and yeah it's easier for a camel to pass through the head of a needle than for a rich man to get into the kingdom of heaven and that's in the bible y'all is that really a bible quote

Jesus said that oh that's beautiful so and you know it might be end times so spend spend spend i feel like it's not end times but

everything conspires to make us feel like it is which makes it much worse because it would almost be you know i think it is a kind of end times i really do think that we are on like the precipice of something but i don't i don't have like some apocalyptic of the new right

of the new new real real right no i don't it's not necessarily like apocalyptic but i think there is there is going to be some kind of you know definitive event maybe not a cataclysmic event yeah i don't know whatever i don't know

i mean i'm not a prophet that's the thing that like i detect in all these like think pieces about mold bug where they're trying to install him as some kind of like prophet of end times and he's literally just like a nerdy

and nice and horny gen X guy with a gorgeous bob yeah with like legitimately beautiful tresses like a straight up prince you think he got that from from machiavelli

that's why he has that hair cut oh yeah it is it is a very like Titian or Giorgione like hair cut i actually don't know what Machiavelli looks like but all the covers of the prince have that guy with the bob yeah it's probably like some venetian renaissance painting like portrait painting of a courtier

or whatever an ambassador but yeah it's funny because he does have like a very art historical bob and it's you know he's getting it trimmed he doesn't have like hair that's grown long on accident

you know my man has a bob he what? my man has a bob should we have him on the pod? i do but he i mean i've done a pod with him before i'd love to talk to him at all but

we should do it he thinks i'm a bimbo just because i'm a bdsm activist no i sure he yeah i would love to have him on the pod he talks a lot he would really like fill that

but does that air? does he have a nice voice? um i think he has like a normal voice okay good enough but it's not like overly annoying or grating yeah and he's very like emotional

he writes poems he writes poems which you know poems are filler for sub stacks like when you have to keep up with the pressure of having these deadlines you start writing poetry

because hey what else can you do you can't come out with like a lengthy political treatise every week now i'm kind of thinking maybe i should start a low effort now i'm having some Machiavellian style

thoughts about how to accrue earthly wealth which is a sin so i probably won't because i have a lot on my plate i'm gonna convert to Protestantism because they're like in or Calvinism

because they're into the accrual of earthly wealth as like a demonstration of your heavenly worth i thought that was Jews no no no it's i think it's implicit in Judaic teaching but explicit in Protestant teaching

not in Protestantism i thought their whole thing was being like humble and simple but i don't honestly really totally even get Protestantism no i don't either because i don't understand who you're not gonna venerate Mary wait they don't

they don't venerate Mary well they're very functional and utilitarian so when they say the accrual wealth is good i don't think they mean like splashing out in the hood rich way that we do they mean like

quietly discreetly work ethic they mean like stalking your coffers yeah like being productive in this like mechanical maybe way

um whereas Catholicism is more about being like baroque and the passion and you know i forget what i was gonna say something about Protestantism moldwork

Mary oh right so you know i personally don't understand how you couldn't venerate Mary because Christ became a man being through her so obviously she's extremely holy because

Christ has a dual this is a cool autistic religious thing that people debate about is whether or not Christ had dual natures if he was divine or you know obviously he was a man but he was also divine so there's like

you know debates as to his like nature and the pussy and cucked Anna no what no he was did you know that immaculate conception doesn't

even mean that it doesn't mean how God it means how Mary i just know in Spanish their word for pregnant is embarrasada which means like embarrassed yeah which is crazy yeah

like an animal we're all temporarily humiliated millionaires with the sign back quote but God became man through Mary so to me who does believe that Christ had a dual nature that's sort of integral to my understanding of why it was

meaningful that he became a man like Mary is incredibly holy obviously yeah so i can't imagine even the Muslims worship Mary to some degree today i think that they don't view any man as holy like any human but they

she has her proper place i thought they said that she had other kids you know they're like they don't think she was a virgin and stuff they're really quibbling over that in the Quran i don't know what they're up to in the Quran they're like this woman's body count was

outrageous and that's wrong it was double figures which is basically triple figures in modern day times accounting for inflation oh the inflation of the body count is not being talked about enough

right the vanity fair article also makes reference obviously to people becoming increasingly you know Catholic and religious there's a quote from an unnamed friend of the writer that's like i'm glad i have a girlfriend because casual sex is out

people are converting to Catholicism and dressing like duck hunter or whatever which they've been doing for years yeah and also casual sex isn't out in practice it's just out like symbolically like people are kind of theoretically against it because

they see that it leads to know where until it doesn't like until you find a mate and you couple and like reproduce or whatever but like i think a lot of people just like are jaded well casual sex is different from any marital yeah i think may perhaps in some way casual sex

is out well also it's it's also not out strictly because people have some like greater philosophical awareness of why casual sex is bad it's out because people are like fat and depressed and like

shut-ins and increasingly mentally ill yeah and like turn to porn instead of sex or whatever yeah i was i was just gonna say like part of the fascination

with moldbug and like the mythology swirling around him and is because he's kind of like a nerd who made it against all odds totally which is not entirely true which the media class hates well they hate their envious

of it their envious of it because they all actually subscribe very hornily to this revenge of the nerds fantasy because they're all nerds themselves and he's the one that had the hoodspin the leather jacket to make it happen for himself he had the Machiavellian

insights that we now have from reading this book but like his reputation precedes him in a way that's not accurate to moldbug the man like again like another person who i met who i had dinner with last summer and he was like really like i was struck because i was faced with a man

who was not some kind of like genius technocratic political mastermind but was a sweet and broken person mourning the death of his wife like he was a very kind of average and ordinary person like all of us are at the end of the day

and i'm just i think like i'm personally just like repulsed by and aggrieved by the mythology even though i think that myths are essential i hate saying myths because you can hear my gay little list

myths myths yeah there was a part i'm not in the Machiavellians where Burnham talks about how esocracies

was put to death for you know for threatening the the dominant order and he says something to the effect of like

as any rational society would put him to death and i for my acting class was reading i mentioned this before but George Bernard Shaw's Saint Joan which he has a long autistic intro to that's like basically as long as the play

where he like breaks down categorically all the facts of Joan of Arc that are interesting to him as a Protestant actually and he calls her the first Protestant saint because she was a anti-cleric or whatever and but he compares there's a part where he compares

her to socrates and talks about how they are both mad annoying but he said something about what it means to be a genius and what's amazing about Joan of Arc is that she was a genius and a total retard who like didn't know how to read and was martyred

because the you know the church really like kind of like confused her and tricked her and so she was like the original Greta Thunberg i mean genius and retard are two

sides of the same Janus coin name one genius who is a retard who's not retarded but this is Bernard Shaw quote and he says a genius who seeing farther and probing and probing deeper than other people has a different set of ethical

valuations from theirs and has energy enough to give effect to this extra vision and its valuations in whatever manner best suits his or her specific talents and for Joan it was she was like an insane military strategist actually she like

but because she was like a schizophrenic retard who was having visions from god and all she was doing was what she thought god wanted her to do and it gave her this you know incredible militaristic prowess which was like

pre-napoleonic or whatever anyway but yeah so a genius is just someone who has a deeper ethics that they have the integrity to hold themselves to

well because they're too mentally ill to feel pressured by social strictures and like the ordinary checks and balances that govern your place in society and

this reminds me of a quote from Jenny Holzer who's like another artist who I love and who arguably subscribes to Machiavellian ethics deviance or sacrifice to increase group prosperity and so of course

you have like these figures start beginning with Jesus who are I mean Berna talks about the political utility of violence right well violence as well as you know what it takes to really be a leader

there is a good quote that I might try to find actually well no and I think his very smart insight there is that violence actually the threat of violence when it's like properly and responsibly used

prevents chaos and disorder in other words it prevents violence not violence begets violence I don't know if that's observably true but I thought it was definitely interesting what he was saying about how this commitment to humanitarianism

and non-violence actually breeds way more violence and way more inequality and discrimination this I believe he's I can't tell who he's quoting because he just uses these

like I'm such an idiot dude it's in the chapter about Michel so I'm going to assume that's it because he does keep it kind of kind of incrementalized within the chapters because he quotes extensively I was like damn I was like

got me feeling like I could write a book I know well this really primed me this reminds me of a college it's just like block quotes like block footnotes no it's like total college stuff I'd be like as Nietzsche says it's like this quote's going to go on for a long time

four pages so he says there are certain qualities well prior to this he talks about political gratitude which I also thought was interesting as being kind of a dangerous psychological mechanism

that prevents because he sort of makes the case that the healthiest societies have kind of a high turnover rate that no one's like reigning for too long yeah the new elites supplant the old elites through successful power struggles and that's what keeps

the society like fresh innovative but feelings of political gratitude toward those who seemingly speak and read on their behalf and who on occasion suffer or have suffered persecution imprisonment or exile in the name of their ideals and then that gratitude finds ready expression

and re-election to office blah blah but then he says there are certain qualities some innate and some acquired by training but none spread widely and evenly that make for leadership and are accepted by the masses doing so oratorical talent and the prestige of celebrity people however irrelevant

even podcasting are prominent among them in addition numerous and very this is then quoting someone probably Michelle numerous and varied are the personal qualities thanks to which certain individuals succeed in ruling the masses these qualities which may be

considered as specific qualities of leadership are not necessarily all assembled in every leader blah blah among them a ketonian strength of conviction a force of ideas often verging on fanaticism which arouses the respect of the masses by its very intensity self-sufficiency

even if accompanied by arrogant pride so long as leader knows how to make the crowd share his own pride in himself in exceptional cases finally goodness of heart and disinterestedness qualities which recall in mind of the crowd the figure of Christ and reawaken religious sentiments which are decayed

but not extinct and the I mean this sounds like very BAP to me he's probably also read this tome and it reminded me he's a much I mean probably I see the work of Prince I think everybody

I think everybody would basically would agree with the basic premises like Greenwald Freddie like all these people from different ideological camps would I would agree with the diagnosis the problem that we all have is that

it's very hard to come up with solutions yeah because many of us are not fit to rule I mean yeah most of us including many of the people who do rule us do not really have a lot of these

but he's basically like suing for like a hierarchy of values and a hierarchy of like virtues yeah which is the reality that most people don't want to grapple with which is why they come up with elaborate conspiracy theories to explain

why some people are doing better than others and on the other hand like I will say something very unflattering if you haven't been urged Joan of Arc style and are allowed to exist that means that you are useful

in one way or another or at the very least like not a threat and I think also like Moldbug's reputation makes use of this because he seems like exactly the type of figure who

would be purged on the surface but then you realize that actually what he's saying is squarely within the limits of liberalism and that he himself is a huge liberal and I don't mean that as an insult like we're all huge liberals

at the end of the day well the liberal democratic formula depends in Burnham's view also on like the tension between it and the aristocratic formula that Moldbug

advocates for I guess I don't know but in that way he is a liberal because he depends on it for this Machiavellian

balance and I mean at some point the aristocracy was replaced by the meritocracy which pretends to get by in its own merits but is actually a clandestine aristocracy but like in that process

people lost a lot of faith because even if you had kind of bad and evil aristocrats perhaps they had some kind of supernatural or divine in this day and age aspirational claim to their rule

and that meant something to people to the vast vast vast majority of people who simply want to be ruled by someone that they can trust the authority of enough and you know

endure their lives as long as they aren't like completely horrible and that's the best option we have in civilization well yeah and like another point in kind of like moldbugs writing that I think is like

highly overstated is this idea that he's like a monarchist it's a rather utopian ideal that like in practice means like again in this day and age rule by kind of a technocratic elite but that's only intolerable

if you subscribe to this like fanciful idea that we live in a genuine democracy like what we have I agree with him on this like what we have is a

functional oligarchy that works as a symbolic democracy so that everybody can you know get through the day hmm yeah social media

to sound extremely banal has really just exacerbated people's tendencies to politicize themselves in a way that is highly unnecessary and borders on mental illness because they will

never rule you know and they don't want to rule and they or they secretly don't want to rule like nobody really who's Michael Crumps the M Crumps guy oh that guy

yeah okay you know his sort of devotion to Marxist Carl Bayer is another example of like I'm like what are you talking about what are you talking about why are you still talking about Marxism

well no I feel sorry for these people because we've elaborate conspiracy theories that are basically like downtown New York hookup charts they all yeah yeah they think people who live oh yeah like you mean people are friends and have an actual social network oh here's the quote

this is from the Vanity Fair article part of why people have trouble describing the new right is because it's a bunch of people who believe that the system that organizes our society and government which most of us think of as normal is actually bizarre and insane which naturally makes

them look bizarre and insane to people who think the system is normal it can be confusing to turn on something like the influential underground podcast good old boys and hear a figure like Michael Anton talk to two autodidact southern gamers about the makeup of the regime if only because most people reading this probably

don't even think of America as the kind of place that has a regime at all but that's because as many people in this world would argue we've been so effectively propagandized that we can't see how the system of power around us really works and like

I think it's becoming less true yeah but but as it becomes less and less true it leads to well yeah but it leads to a greater crisis of faith that's the scary thing because you become truly black pilled

right and what we're experiencing now is like a lot of like normal people catching up to the sort of stuff that we've been saying on our podcast forever um periodically

yeah but it's like a puric victory I don't feel great about being vindicated I like question also the utility of like explaining these kind of things to people because like it's like you know like don't kill the messenger well from a Christian perspective

um any genius that one is given is given to them by god any talent or you know that's which is why divine rule sort of has something to it at least in like a utopian

in a politics of wishing you know it's like yeah you would like I started watching this show Tokyo Vice it's Michael Mann it's about karaoke hostesses right um yeah

a girl that I worked with on succession is on it Ella Rump I know I was DMing with her because I posted a picture of the hot Japanese guy who's like the conflicted oh Ella is so sweet

she's sweet and she's beautiful and I think she really nails the generic Eastern Euro accent but um that show is like bad in many forgivable ways but it's also good because it's like exciting and like stylish

and there is a point in the show where like the two protagonists the kind of young Jewish journalist and the old Japanese detective or like having a heart to heart in a parking lot like the wire style yeah like drinking brews or whatever and yeah

and the Japanese guy is like we have a saying in Japan that my father used to say to me and the white guy is like ignorance is bliss and it really is

of course it is like remember that PBS um graphic the more you know and I'm always like no not the more you know mass literacy was a mistake because it's led to this giant irretrievable crisis of faith and the internet was also kind of

really a huge mistake like the new Gutenberg and just like this is why trad is impossible and why anybody talking at trad is like a larper or a

scum journalist because you can't ever return because the traditional lifestyle implies a lack of intentionality and once you put intention into the equation it's over and it's merely a larp

yeah no I said to Matthew and I said you know what I love about not being trad is that I can wear jeans to church yeah can you yeah I'm not I'm not a trad cat no

you're like an original Catholic I'm simply Catholic and I can wear jeans to church because I don't go to some like mass that's like larping and like

talking it's not more important whether or not women were pants you know it's important that you have they have to all wear bet cheap addresses purchased on the real real or else they're not authentic Catholics I don't know they were black jeans I wouldn't wear blue jeans to church

but they were black jeans trousers slacks they weren't slacks they were jeans but they were black and I don't really wear whatever to church but wear something that pleases God and I don't think God really cares about jeans or not

but I visit a lot of religious sites because I like the iconography and there's always like some woman or some gaggle of women who are wearing like glorified like carnival outfits walking into the church and I'm just like cover your shoulders

one of the funniest memories that I have is I did my like grad school study abroad in like Egypt and Turkey like I don't know I decided to go to all these Muslim countries and we were like my gay BFF Leith and I were in the oldest mosque

in Egypt and this like busload of Russian girls disembarked and they were all wearing like tank tops and like short shorts and they just like threw blankets over like these dusty like bed bug ridden and made them put on

their like mosque issued sandals and like take off their original footwear and it was like such a beautiful like parable for the folly of humanity but anyway I digress

we've digressed and we can wrap it up we've done our time see you in hell music